Hey Everyone! Here's the only response I could find from Jan Gustafsson regarding this game for those interested: kzhead.info/sun/jNufpMtxn4Sipps/bejne.html
@blitzbreakdownchess7 ай бұрын
Thanks - well spotted!
@dionlindsay25 ай бұрын
how come he resigned at that point though? he could have fought on surely?
@s1dew1nd3r44 ай бұрын
@@s1dew1nd3r4he was down too much material at that point and his position wouldn't be any better once the two rooks came out. No way he would've even managed a draw.
@Angrypickle54 ай бұрын
Could you do this kind of breakdown video for game 12 in the last world championship? Ding VS Nepomniachtchi
@TheRealPaul_Morphy3 ай бұрын
@@Angrypickle5sometimes you just have to know when youre beaten , but i hear what youre saying at the same time
@royltbescheidenblake61873 ай бұрын
I personally, have never lost to Magnus so can’t relate
@GBD12247 ай бұрын
Lol 😂
@blitzbreakdownchess7 ай бұрын
That’s the best comment on here!
@coastalcraftsmen91557 ай бұрын
I've beaten Magnus actually, we played checkers last week and I literally wrecked him.
@cornedenecker16367 ай бұрын
@@cornedenecker1636wait till you find out checkers is a solved game
@Twlz_097 ай бұрын
@@cornedenecker1636ok sure bro
@seanscrambledeggs32917 ай бұрын
"Either he is biggest genius in the world or this is weird"
@CodeBank-rw9bq7 ай бұрын
Weirdness can be either way genuineness or stupidity. Choosing to get wierd is hard as this line that seperates is not so firm.
@aadarshagrawal21977 ай бұрын
@@aadarshagrawal2197 I think all the times he said "weird" or something like it he really wanted to say it wasn't human moves, but he's cautious and polite to acuse his opponent of cheating by using engines.
@superflink7 ай бұрын
@@superflinkpublicly accusing a titled player of cheating on their main account for 1 game on a “banterthon” would be ridiculous
@peterkirk85107 ай бұрын
@@peterkirk8510 You're right, its not politeness or caution, its respect. But I can bet he thought the other player was cheating... 😅
@superflink7 ай бұрын
He began to suspect something was up right away. I was like jeez Magnus, the Dutch? At least he didn't Bongcloud, but that would've been a giveaway. I'd work on my Vienna as White vs. Jan, and either my Caro or a Sicilian as Black. If it means anything, he'd crush me even faster, I'd be happy to get into a decent Middlegame vs. Gustaffson. I think he is one of Germany's strongest GMs, apparently he was mowing people down as a kid, U20 champion.
@Chunda87 ай бұрын
"I shouldn't be playing chess; it's just humiliating" 😂
@kristoferkrus3 ай бұрын
i believe every chess player has at least thought that once in their life
@xiamlegend4421Ай бұрын
@@xiamlegend4421 Not Magnus LOL
@jeffreyknapp945Ай бұрын
I think this nearly every game I play.
@AlTarifАй бұрын
He just like me fr
@pre-jordanbasketballfan7429Күн бұрын
I thought Gustaffson's response to what must have been a very frustrating game was very professional, and I ended up with much more respect for him as a person after this video. I find behavior like his in this situation inspiring, so kudos to him.
@jamescomstock72997 ай бұрын
Yep, I see how lots of GMs let their ego get the better of them and become super passive aggressive or develop some sort of vendetta against their opponents after losing - and it happens often especially when they lose to IMs and lower Maybe Gustaffson was holding his tongue here, but overall he seems like a very chill guy from his response
@an18yearoldmongolianguy7 ай бұрын
did you not like him before?
@youngdonald41097 ай бұрын
@@an18yearoldmongolianguy It's not always an ego thing, it's most likely that if they see their opponent doing moves way above their level they start to suspect that something fishy is going on, and they can also feel when something is weird on the style of play and the speed. Here he was clearly suspecting something weird was going on, but was extremely polite about it (probably he knows the guy personally). And his instincts where on point, there WAS something fishy going on, except in this case the "engine" was Magnus Carlsen
@burt5917 ай бұрын
@@an18yearoldmongolianguy Its not ego when you lose to a 200 points lower rated player. Most likely its a fluke or hes breaking fair play rules
@JosefZeethuven7 ай бұрын
This just demonstrates how the GM circle can't publicly talk about cheaters, which Magnus said during the Hans scandal. Hans was basically Soloman x10 in the GM circle and none of them could speak about it (in public) even though they wanted to. Gustaffson demonstrated it clearly here that even though it makes no sense, they can't say the "cheat" word and have to substitute it, at least on camera or in public.
@tor131287 ай бұрын
I love how Gustaffson correctly identified who he was playing against.
@hcnuup7 ай бұрын
Well jan was in his coaching staff for a while so he knows him pretty well
@dmn2577 ай бұрын
@@dmn257 Yet he couldn't imagine it was Magnus.
@goku4457 ай бұрын
In the original video Magnus has a Norwegian flag next to his name.
@anotherelvis5 ай бұрын
@@dmn257 well, this game was played before he joined Carlsen's team. but i think Gustaffson may have known about the prank all along (he was the co-founder of chess24, and it's great viral promotion for the website). at the very least, the thought would certainly have crossed his mind - it's a Norwegian account after all; playing oddball openings in blitz is practically a trademark of Carlsen, etc. - he just refrains from saying it out loud.
@vibovitold5 ай бұрын
It was an accidental identification, he was using coded language to insinuate that he was playing against an engine. That's what he definitely thought was actually happening.
@88mphDrBrown4 ай бұрын
I wish we could see his reaction to the prank! He handled the unfair match with so much self control that he's one of my new favorite chess players.
@Nahrix7 ай бұрын
Unfair?
@markrobertson30545 ай бұрын
@markrobertson3054 thinking you are playing an IM when you are in reality playing one of the best chess players in the world is indeed unfair.
@Mr.Anderson__5 ай бұрын
not really they’re both gms who are in the top 1 percent of players, by your logic him playing against the IM would be unfair…
@hgates5 ай бұрын
Magnus wasn't using his real name. No fault to him for having some fun, but of course a *bit* unfair to his opponent@@hgates
@jmedlin815 ай бұрын
@@jmedlin81 Are u insinuating that he played less serious moves because he didn’t respect the IM?
@hgates5 ай бұрын
Shows what a difference there is between Grandmasters. I've played against Jan two times and I felt what he felt against Magnus.
@jagtrycktefel7 ай бұрын
are you a GM?
@timmyotoole60637 ай бұрын
@@timmyotoole6063 Not even close :)
@jagtrycktefel7 ай бұрын
@@timmyotoole6063exactly what I thought of asking.
@INVALIDZEROTheTitSucker697 ай бұрын
so that makes no sense@@jagtrycktefel
@adamkarr32187 ай бұрын
@@adamkarr3218 It does though.
@aviary__7 ай бұрын
This was true sportsmanship. He hinted that the opponent is very suspicious of using AI assistance but never opanly accused him and took the loss like a true champ.
@mogyorospusztai7 ай бұрын
think he was pretty legit confused tho because he probably wouldn't suspect an actual pro he respects to cheat like that (he made the comment "shouldn't you be sleeping to prepare for your national championship")
@GeekProdigyGuy7 ай бұрын
maybe he was even thinking of conspiracy theories like the account got hacked and the hacker was trolling by cheating on the account! lol
@GeekProdigyGuy7 ай бұрын
He thought he was playing against an IM, so when his supposedly weaker opponent blitzed out moves he didn't understand while outplaying him, he said "Either he's the biggest genius in the world or this is weird" which can be translated as "I'm either playing against Magnus Carlsen or an engine" hahahaha
@thirteen267 ай бұрын
@@GeekProdigyGuythat's not what conspiracy theory means
@Lgg1307 ай бұрын
Everyone is wrong Here. The reason Why This is so Strange for him is Not bc he thinks Its an Engine. Its because the Moves Are blitzed out. So he knows Its Most likely no Engine. Thats Why hes so confused
@oguztokat8217 ай бұрын
Jan comments on the Dutch not just because you don't see it at the highest level, but because Jan has a running gag on his streams that he absolutely hates the opening and is convinced that it's unusable generally. Which is made even funnier in this context, because he is basically the first name in Carlsen's team for his World Championship matches!
@leerobbo927 ай бұрын
Ahh I didn’t know that. I just figured he was saying that because the Dutch is pretty dubious. Interesting 🧐
@blitzbreakdownchess7 ай бұрын
I saw an interview with two grandmasters a while ago (can’t remember who it was). They mentioned Jan as one of the top 10 opening experts in the world
@mathildewesendonck72257 ай бұрын
Magnus uses an opening he knows jan is unfamiliar with. To win on time.
@karimsonsafehold92337 ай бұрын
What u mean first name
@lma55082 ай бұрын
@@lma5508 Jan's a world-leading openings expert. Carlsen has used him on his team for many world championships, and he's often the highest rated person on that team.
@leerobbo922 ай бұрын
Jan is the national team coach of the Germans. We love him! He is also a talented comedian
@mathildewesendonck72257 ай бұрын
And he also is very inspired by one of the biggest podcasts in Germany, called "Lanz und Precht".
@zackmaurers74756 ай бұрын
lol
@toSirius5 ай бұрын
He was a great commentator at chess24.
@anotherelvis5 ай бұрын
He's a comedian??? I thought you said he was German.
@terrobert22 күн бұрын
@@terrobert Pls be a bit more serious. German humor and Jans comedy are no laughing matter
@Skyl3t0n14 күн бұрын
Gustaffsson gave me a feeling of nostalgia, like it's the 1970s and I'm seeing it on TV.
@BlagomirDao7 ай бұрын
I like how Gustafson never says "cheater" oder "stockfish"... he is so diplomatic
@TravelingDeer5 ай бұрын
Well, he is genuinely confused, because he knows the other person, and he knows they wouldn't cheat, and he also knows that the moves are being blitzed out too fast for engine reference cheating.
@insertphrasehere154 ай бұрын
@@insertphrasehere15 There are way more sophisticated ways to cheat than to have an engine in a second window. I think he suggested he may be cheating. But obviously wasn't sure and couldn't say it out loud
@JM-tj5qm2 ай бұрын
>oder Undercover German!
@PeterTeal772 ай бұрын
Or buttplugs.. 😂
@lukaskrisak1446Ай бұрын
Actually, at 9:12 Gustaffson unconsciously realizes what's going on when he says "either he's the biggest genius in the world" - which exactly what his opponent is.
@zoltanszabo18527 ай бұрын
It should be noted that after this game, Gustaffson joined Magnus' team to assist in his preparation for his match against Caruana.
@daeuri5 ай бұрын
Magnus is at a whole new level even for GMs.
@yorha2b2787 ай бұрын
And not a regular GM either, Jan is a very strong GM. It's crazy as GM title itself is such a difficult feat to achieve, but then there are some who are a class above them (nowadays called super GM), and then there is Magnus Carlsen.
@fukmi44897 ай бұрын
@@fukmi4489 Yeah, Magnus is definitely a Super GM. But I believe anyone with FIDE rating above 2800 are called Super GMs (unofficially I guess).
@yorha2b2787 ай бұрын
@yorha2b278 2700
@L33TTechReviewer5 ай бұрын
@@yorha2b2782700 or above is called Super Gm 2800 or above are clear world champion candidates.
@flacsomtodosclas21654 ай бұрын
i guess if he knew he was playing magnus he would choose his moves more carefully.....
@kingshukroy8800Ай бұрын
Gustaffson is a specialist in openings and was in Carlsons world chess championship team
@MS-cl4oc7 ай бұрын
One must note that whenever Jan gets surprised by the move he qualifies it by "instatntly'; which means it cannot be a cheating as one needs time to refer to a computer ,even with a helper, to post moves.
@54kprabha7 ай бұрын
Some people use bots to cheat but is way clear when that happens
@flacsomtodosclas21654 ай бұрын
Does it thought? Seems simple to make a program that inputs the same average time a human does.
@BeEnNLGaming3 ай бұрын
No you don't. You can write prediction algorithms that consider the most likely moves, and stores what to do against such moves. This allows you to respond immediately with an engine.
@anonymously94Ай бұрын
I respect this guy. He handled all of that really well.
@mrpzpdx5 ай бұрын
so fast, so deadly and so nasty moves from carlsen. Love it
@AwesomePossum19877 ай бұрын
We were all waiting to see his reaction when he realizes he's been playing against Carlsen, but unfortunately that was left out. That was really a huge anticlimax. 😖
@perpetualbystander45167 ай бұрын
I'm sorry about that, sadly I couldn't find any footage of Magnus telling Jan, if you can find anything like that on YT please let me know because I really want to do a follow up video on it. I think I saw a video of Jan mentioning it on one of his streams, but I can't find it now. EDIT: Ok so this is what I found online in a now deleted tweet directed to Johan Salomon "Johan, twelve people at least are wondering: When was @GMJanGustafsson made aware he was actually playing Magnus - and what was his reply?" Johan's reply: "No idea" Sadly we don't get the payoff of Gustafsson finding out on video. :(
@blitzbreakdownchess7 ай бұрын
Kind of agree--I posted elsewhere that I wanted to hug the guy. When does the sequel come out?
@Glowbox3D7 ай бұрын
He was told it after the show, so no footage of his reaction possible.
@osgubben7 ай бұрын
This vid has been posted like 50 times over the years, and it never gets old
@AquaticSkipper7 ай бұрын
Incredible game - Jan's responses are golden. I'm glad MC didn't leave him in the dark about how the game was played.
@DuneGames3 ай бұрын
Great video! Saw this match a while ago, but your analysis of it was great!!
@WorthiestDavid7 ай бұрын
Came for the trolling. Stayed for the wonderful analysis 😁
@lordanderson12937 ай бұрын
I've seen this game tons of time before, but never a full breakdown, blow by blow, like yours. Great content! Liked, subscribed. Thanks for the video, keep it up this great content!
@ro-kx5hk5 ай бұрын
Gustaffson is such a gentleman. Love his sportmanship and behavior.
@Carraidas4 ай бұрын
When I get completely crushed it's very easy for me to think that someone is cheating (most of the time this is simply not the case, I'm just getting crushed) and I'm relatively weak at 1700 rating. For Jan, it was clear that he had these thoughts too during this game! Being a Grandmaster & being bullied must have heightened these feelings also.
@waitz277 ай бұрын
go fys 1700 is not weak
@afterthought68897 ай бұрын
He said relatively weak.
@calebwilliams30557 ай бұрын
@@calebwilliams3055 relative to someone 300 points better - an expert
@afterthought68897 ай бұрын
@calebwilliams3055 He *wrote: "relatively weak".
@yesno95927 ай бұрын
@@yesno9592He *typed: “relatively weak”.
@Chris-wb3qe7 ай бұрын
One of the few matches I can watch over and over again.
@Geffi014 ай бұрын
I love it
@lma55082 ай бұрын
Jan's own channel is always worth a visit and a fantastic option in the game world and fun to watch...
@sebbosebbo97944 ай бұрын
Those are my reactions every time I play! Lol. I feel his pain many times a day and its usually followed by "I hate this game. Never playing again!"
@iwannaapple71907 ай бұрын
I’m proud to say I played against Benjamin Bok without knowing when he was doing a rapid tutorial and he destroyed me. A helpless feeling.
@scottimus4327 ай бұрын
How did you find out?
@George_Bland7 ай бұрын
Poor Jan. He handled that well but was perhaps boiling on the inside. I'm glad he later learned it was all a trick and spent some quality time fetching beers for Magnus at Magnus' penthouse suite.
@jasonuerkvitz37567 ай бұрын
I don’t think that he was boiling inside. Jan is a very relaxed guy, and he is able to laugh about himself
@mathildewesendonck72257 ай бұрын
@@mathildewesendonck7225 Sure, in part. But I don't think a GM takes losing like that lightly to an IM. He got demolished, admitted it throughout, and was visibly shaken.
@jasonuerkvitz37567 ай бұрын
He seems like a nice guy
@04WELLYDEEP7 ай бұрын
Dutch looks simple but if you dont know your stuff you end up in cramped positions and eventually your opponent smash you I speak about rating 2000. It looks simple when Magnus plays
@relaxingsounds25707 ай бұрын
I watched this literally 20-40 times on different channels and it's still entertaining
@ConfidenceGold2 ай бұрын
Carlsen is quite simply brilliant.
@michaela53117 ай бұрын
So Magnus smurfin GMs from time to time
@robdrone7 ай бұрын
Jan is a super guy, he takes it so well !!
@fransvoogt51453 ай бұрын
I liked the bit when they moved the different coloured pieces around the board. It was majestic! I've no idea what they were trying to accomplish but it looked like a dance of some sort. Like the Haka those Polanision people do before a performance. It's very quaint.
@Felix-Sited3 ай бұрын
just discovered this channel, very pleasantly surprised, subscribed
@jsh15397 ай бұрын
GM says crazy moves. Magnus is GOAT
@kalasnikov19877 ай бұрын
"I shouldn't be playing chess" 😭Humble.
@DavidRodriguez-hh6kx7 ай бұрын
How Magnus can just put a beat down on a top player like that is crazy.
@devanman79203 ай бұрын
7.01 this is so me 😂 Almost crawling into the screen, hoping to see the best move… even though my vision is perfectly fine
@mathildewesendonck72257 ай бұрын
I’d be pretty upset if my 1200 rated opponents had Magnus sit in for a game . . . .
@briantreadwell22063 ай бұрын
It's really cool to see the reaction before he knows it's him. Magnus is just astounding.
@zacharysherry29106 ай бұрын
That's not an overstatement.
@S.Trades5 ай бұрын
3:32 "When is a pawn not a pawn" - Baron Vladimir Harkonnen.
@TheBlackClockOfTime7 ай бұрын
You know he thought Magnus was cheating but that was some phenomenal chess
@jonny4013 ай бұрын
“I already dislike my position“ at early game. Only a true grandmaster can understand. To me it looks like he hasn’t lost a piece yet.
@vinrave7 ай бұрын
Oh no, I‘m a 600 and I can understand it perfectly!! I usually dislike my position after two or three moves
@mathildewesendonck72257 ай бұрын
"Such strange moves, played instantly" - I love that he says instantly to show that he doesn't think there is any cheating. People who cheat and play where moves after a period of time need the time to tell the computer the new moves for it to compute. The fact it was instantly is where it shows it's not coming from a computer.
@icambridge7 ай бұрын
There are computer scripts now that people use and get moves out consistently in 1-2 seconds. Most cheaters aren't that sophisticated but some are, unfortunately.
@tenningale6 ай бұрын
Damn that was brilliant....
@marlonlouiejeffdoroliat85937 ай бұрын
6:58 Me almost every single game
@NiksCro967 ай бұрын
the more i study and learn chess, the more i learn i know nothing about chess....
@ThaneR02482 ай бұрын
- Is he trying to humiliate me? Yes.
@alexanderhelweg-mikkelsen87363 ай бұрын
Carlsen on the troll mod
@Vfor123457 ай бұрын
"you try to humiliate me".. After he lose, humiliation did work perfectly then. 🤣😎
@joe.fr233 ай бұрын
What are the symbols after each move is made?
@michaelhowell28097 ай бұрын
Magnus the engine mover😂😂😂
@fernandoenriquez66537 ай бұрын
I think the most interesting part is his that very quickly he realized that something was off and that his opponent was very strong. I mean, he could have think it was just bad luck, or he wasn't in the game...but no, he knew he was beaten fair and square.
@Chadok897 ай бұрын
Luck doesn’t really exist in chess, the only luck comes online where you or your opponent could mouse slip.
@fox25697 ай бұрын
@@fox2569 There is definitely luck involved in the wide sense of the word. Sometimes you see a move, and sometimes you don't. Or, you can make a move where you miss a potential move from your opponent, but you see after you moved that luckily there is a way to answer and you are fine. The game doesn't contain randomness, but people's behaviour certainly do.
@theWebWizrd7 ай бұрын
@@theWebWizrd all of that isnt luck but skill or condition, the online mouse slip really is luck though and super frustrating when it happens
@bestibulizar61415 ай бұрын
@@theWebWizrdstatistical flukes average out in the long run, but within a single game obviously there's an element of bluff. even Kramnik overlooked a mate in 1 once (against Deep Fritz). there's also something known as a "tilt". not exactly luck, but a state of mind - once the player starts doubting himself for whatever reason, errors begin to breed more errors, and it may take a while to regain composure. this state of mind can be quite volatile, especially among some players. (Nepo being a prominent example - once something snaps, he starts hallucinating stuff and blundering a lot, playing well below his level, as it happened in both of his WC matches).
@vibovitold5 ай бұрын
I remember watching this live and peeing myself laughing as he melted down.
@chad0x7 ай бұрын
I remember seeing the first game they played but I can't find it now
@tmpqtyutmpqty47334 ай бұрын
super great content AMAZING!!! keep going man +1 subscribe
@ze30077 ай бұрын
Thanks for the sub!
@blitzbreakdownchess7 ай бұрын
Jan Gustaffson is such a nice guy that should have way more screen time!
@Chris11111163 ай бұрын
Interesting game; stunning that Magnus creates these complications barely out of the opening.
@user-kh6xl4yg1j4 ай бұрын
Poor bloke sounded absolutely gutted
@conormacleod19877 ай бұрын
banterthon clearly thought that he was playing against stockfish, so he wouldnt have been too upset about losing, just frustrated
@Draco-jk3rb7 ай бұрын
I remember watching this when it happened. So funny.
@ranchopatriot7 ай бұрын
Is he streaming? Where is he now?
@renashbell12034 ай бұрын
this guy had nice humility
@yamch19 күн бұрын
I’m HOUNDED by Magnus. That dude just won’t LEAVE ME ALONE 😅
@stuartmitchell37397 ай бұрын
Its Crazy a GM would be this lost playing Magnus.
@TheCagedLion7 ай бұрын
I watched this LIVE and it was hilarious. Jan is so confused.
@SpaceCadet4JesusАй бұрын
Where do they play this version of chess? Whats it called?
@tyler609043 ай бұрын
He may have considered cheating but said that these moves came instantly, which makes illegal actions difficult (for expert advice consult GM H.M. Niemann 😅😅😅). Great prank and cool reaction of GM Gustaffson! Super video!
@user-xv4gc8iq2y7 ай бұрын
This dudes camera makes him look like a 90’s news anchor.
@ChantzRisse5 ай бұрын
I feel for JG, this is how I feel vs Stockfish level 5 on Lichess.
@teeemm94565 ай бұрын
My introduction to chess was Jan and Peter Svidler's commentary on chess24, love this guy!
@7373walker2 ай бұрын
He lost like a GM
@ja1212azАй бұрын
So basically, this is just some "Monday morning quarterback" stuff
@9fingeredrippingsaxplayer9092 ай бұрын
Gustaffson seems to be recording from an aircraft in space in the 80's
@HDsT0rMАй бұрын
Jan have worked with Magnus for more than a decade, so I'm pretty sure he can figure out it's Magnus.
@Flum6667 ай бұрын
especially since the account was Norwegian... i suspect Jan might have been in on it all along, and this was sort of a publicity stunt. for context, it was 2015; a year after chess24 was co-founded by Gustafsson (and a few years later it merged wth Carlsen's company). it's not like they played on some random website
@vibovitold5 ай бұрын
Is it intentional to have the early 90s video/sound feel on Jan's video?
@rickardboberg4 ай бұрын
I think that this game was more of luck because Jan had the brilliant bishop move in mind, but didnt go for it. It was a gamble by Magnus which luckily went through. I love them both as players and human beings. :)
@mahmuthamdullah36467 ай бұрын
in chess you capitalize on your opponent's mistakes. he made a mistake and Carlsen punished it. Gamble?!
@qondam6 ай бұрын
@@qondamyes, magnus gambled. If Jan found the correct continuation, he would have an advantage. So magnus took the risk that Jan would not find the refutation
@anthonydeng54195 ай бұрын
@@anthonydeng5419Or Magnus was himself unaware of the way out.
@EliasHasle4 ай бұрын
Banter Blitz with Radio Jan
@halligalli33547 ай бұрын
Are you from South Africa?
@160mgofcaffeine7 ай бұрын
Amazing analysis
@yanlopesteixeira4 ай бұрын
His name isn't Jan Gustaffson, it's Jan Gustafsson.
@paulbrennan41633 ай бұрын
Kramnich: follow the process: block, report and go coffee.
@gungagalunga904023 күн бұрын
This is the difference between mastering theory and being intuitive... both have extreme pros and cons
@_lordphoenix4 ай бұрын
I love Christopherson commentary on how Magnus plays so much. It’s fascinating what’s he’s saying about his not knowing it was him.
@isabellam1936Ай бұрын
Very confusing game 😂 Specially for you mister😂
@GoodBye-hy3zw4 ай бұрын
It’s cool how Gustafsson picks up right at the start of the game that he could be facing a much better opponent than he is. Even though the opponent’s moves are super weird, Gustafson always allows that they may be over his head. Much respect for his grace and acuity.
@ariadnepyanfar10482 ай бұрын
There is a video of a similar game: Kasparov raging during a friendly simultaneous 😅 He was playing against somebody who had a much higher rating than he had been told. And Kasparov just wasn’t having it 🤣
@mathildewesendonck72257 ай бұрын
and Kasparov was perfectly right. what does it mean: "friendly" simultaneous, by the way? : ) as opposed to all the hostile ones? simultaneous games are always exhibitions, of course they don't count towards anybody's rating... it doesn't justify misleading or sandbagging. if he's told none of his opponents is rated over 2000, the organizers shouldn't be sneaking in people who are.
@vibovitold5 ай бұрын
Great sport!!! A true artist and fantastic comentator!
@edboldt37692 ай бұрын
I thought he was saying the Dutch is humiliating him was because he is German! 🤣🤣🤣
@polarbear-oi7owАй бұрын
Gustaffson?! The best and funniest chess moderator (especially in his German talks) and a great GM! (...og en morsom idé fra Carlsen! ;D)
@Komprimat1111Ай бұрын
Magus has done this to Gustafsson a few times. I'll admit, Jan takes it like a Gentleman, even though you know he's upset. Never stops being funny though.
@adamant4107Ай бұрын
Gustaffson was on of Magnus's seconds when Magnus prepared for the world chess championship. Furthermore he commentated for chess24 which was partly owned by Magnus.
Hey Everyone! Here's the only response I could find from Jan Gustafsson regarding this game for those interested: kzhead.info/sun/jNufpMtxn4Sipps/bejne.html
Thanks - well spotted!
how come he resigned at that point though? he could have fought on surely?
@@s1dew1nd3r4he was down too much material at that point and his position wouldn't be any better once the two rooks came out. No way he would've even managed a draw.
Could you do this kind of breakdown video for game 12 in the last world championship? Ding VS Nepomniachtchi
@@Angrypickle5sometimes you just have to know when youre beaten , but i hear what youre saying at the same time
I personally, have never lost to Magnus so can’t relate
Lol 😂
That’s the best comment on here!
I've beaten Magnus actually, we played checkers last week and I literally wrecked him.
@@cornedenecker1636wait till you find out checkers is a solved game
@@cornedenecker1636ok sure bro
"Either he is biggest genius in the world or this is weird"
Weirdness can be either way genuineness or stupidity. Choosing to get wierd is hard as this line that seperates is not so firm.
@@aadarshagrawal2197 I think all the times he said "weird" or something like it he really wanted to say it wasn't human moves, but he's cautious and polite to acuse his opponent of cheating by using engines.
@@superflinkpublicly accusing a titled player of cheating on their main account for 1 game on a “banterthon” would be ridiculous
@@peterkirk8510 You're right, its not politeness or caution, its respect. But I can bet he thought the other player was cheating... 😅
He began to suspect something was up right away. I was like jeez Magnus, the Dutch? At least he didn't Bongcloud, but that would've been a giveaway. I'd work on my Vienna as White vs. Jan, and either my Caro or a Sicilian as Black. If it means anything, he'd crush me even faster, I'd be happy to get into a decent Middlegame vs. Gustaffson. I think he is one of Germany's strongest GMs, apparently he was mowing people down as a kid, U20 champion.
"I shouldn't be playing chess; it's just humiliating" 😂
i believe every chess player has at least thought that once in their life
@@xiamlegend4421 Not Magnus LOL
I think this nearly every game I play.
He just like me fr
I thought Gustaffson's response to what must have been a very frustrating game was very professional, and I ended up with much more respect for him as a person after this video. I find behavior like his in this situation inspiring, so kudos to him.
Yep, I see how lots of GMs let their ego get the better of them and become super passive aggressive or develop some sort of vendetta against their opponents after losing - and it happens often especially when they lose to IMs and lower Maybe Gustaffson was holding his tongue here, but overall he seems like a very chill guy from his response
did you not like him before?
@@an18yearoldmongolianguy It's not always an ego thing, it's most likely that if they see their opponent doing moves way above their level they start to suspect that something fishy is going on, and they can also feel when something is weird on the style of play and the speed. Here he was clearly suspecting something weird was going on, but was extremely polite about it (probably he knows the guy personally). And his instincts where on point, there WAS something fishy going on, except in this case the "engine" was Magnus Carlsen
@@an18yearoldmongolianguy Its not ego when you lose to a 200 points lower rated player. Most likely its a fluke or hes breaking fair play rules
This just demonstrates how the GM circle can't publicly talk about cheaters, which Magnus said during the Hans scandal. Hans was basically Soloman x10 in the GM circle and none of them could speak about it (in public) even though they wanted to. Gustaffson demonstrated it clearly here that even though it makes no sense, they can't say the "cheat" word and have to substitute it, at least on camera or in public.
I love how Gustaffson correctly identified who he was playing against.
Well jan was in his coaching staff for a while so he knows him pretty well
@@dmn257 Yet he couldn't imagine it was Magnus.
In the original video Magnus has a Norwegian flag next to his name.
@@dmn257 well, this game was played before he joined Carlsen's team. but i think Gustaffson may have known about the prank all along (he was the co-founder of chess24, and it's great viral promotion for the website). at the very least, the thought would certainly have crossed his mind - it's a Norwegian account after all; playing oddball openings in blitz is practically a trademark of Carlsen, etc. - he just refrains from saying it out loud.
It was an accidental identification, he was using coded language to insinuate that he was playing against an engine. That's what he definitely thought was actually happening.
I wish we could see his reaction to the prank! He handled the unfair match with so much self control that he's one of my new favorite chess players.
Unfair?
@markrobertson3054 thinking you are playing an IM when you are in reality playing one of the best chess players in the world is indeed unfair.
not really they’re both gms who are in the top 1 percent of players, by your logic him playing against the IM would be unfair…
Magnus wasn't using his real name. No fault to him for having some fun, but of course a *bit* unfair to his opponent@@hgates
@@jmedlin81 Are u insinuating that he played less serious moves because he didn’t respect the IM?
Shows what a difference there is between Grandmasters. I've played against Jan two times and I felt what he felt against Magnus.
are you a GM?
@@timmyotoole6063 Not even close :)
@@timmyotoole6063exactly what I thought of asking.
so that makes no sense@@jagtrycktefel
@@adamkarr3218 It does though.
This was true sportsmanship. He hinted that the opponent is very suspicious of using AI assistance but never opanly accused him and took the loss like a true champ.
think he was pretty legit confused tho because he probably wouldn't suspect an actual pro he respects to cheat like that (he made the comment "shouldn't you be sleeping to prepare for your national championship")
maybe he was even thinking of conspiracy theories like the account got hacked and the hacker was trolling by cheating on the account! lol
He thought he was playing against an IM, so when his supposedly weaker opponent blitzed out moves he didn't understand while outplaying him, he said "Either he's the biggest genius in the world or this is weird" which can be translated as "I'm either playing against Magnus Carlsen or an engine" hahahaha
@@GeekProdigyGuythat's not what conspiracy theory means
Everyone is wrong Here. The reason Why This is so Strange for him is Not bc he thinks Its an Engine. Its because the Moves Are blitzed out. So he knows Its Most likely no Engine. Thats Why hes so confused
Jan comments on the Dutch not just because you don't see it at the highest level, but because Jan has a running gag on his streams that he absolutely hates the opening and is convinced that it's unusable generally. Which is made even funnier in this context, because he is basically the first name in Carlsen's team for his World Championship matches!
Ahh I didn’t know that. I just figured he was saying that because the Dutch is pretty dubious. Interesting 🧐
I saw an interview with two grandmasters a while ago (can’t remember who it was). They mentioned Jan as one of the top 10 opening experts in the world
Magnus uses an opening he knows jan is unfamiliar with. To win on time.
What u mean first name
@@lma5508 Jan's a world-leading openings expert. Carlsen has used him on his team for many world championships, and he's often the highest rated person on that team.
Jan is the national team coach of the Germans. We love him! He is also a talented comedian
And he also is very inspired by one of the biggest podcasts in Germany, called "Lanz und Precht".
lol
He was a great commentator at chess24.
He's a comedian??? I thought you said he was German.
@@terrobert Pls be a bit more serious. German humor and Jans comedy are no laughing matter
Gustaffsson gave me a feeling of nostalgia, like it's the 1970s and I'm seeing it on TV.
I like how Gustafson never says "cheater" oder "stockfish"... he is so diplomatic
Well, he is genuinely confused, because he knows the other person, and he knows they wouldn't cheat, and he also knows that the moves are being blitzed out too fast for engine reference cheating.
@@insertphrasehere15 There are way more sophisticated ways to cheat than to have an engine in a second window. I think he suggested he may be cheating. But obviously wasn't sure and couldn't say it out loud
>oder Undercover German!
Or buttplugs.. 😂
Actually, at 9:12 Gustaffson unconsciously realizes what's going on when he says "either he's the biggest genius in the world" - which exactly what his opponent is.
It should be noted that after this game, Gustaffson joined Magnus' team to assist in his preparation for his match against Caruana.
Magnus is at a whole new level even for GMs.
And not a regular GM either, Jan is a very strong GM. It's crazy as GM title itself is such a difficult feat to achieve, but then there are some who are a class above them (nowadays called super GM), and then there is Magnus Carlsen.
@@fukmi4489 Yeah, Magnus is definitely a Super GM. But I believe anyone with FIDE rating above 2800 are called Super GMs (unofficially I guess).
@yorha2b278 2700
@@yorha2b2782700 or above is called Super Gm 2800 or above are clear world champion candidates.
i guess if he knew he was playing magnus he would choose his moves more carefully.....
Gustaffson is a specialist in openings and was in Carlsons world chess championship team
One must note that whenever Jan gets surprised by the move he qualifies it by "instatntly'; which means it cannot be a cheating as one needs time to refer to a computer ,even with a helper, to post moves.
Some people use bots to cheat but is way clear when that happens
Does it thought? Seems simple to make a program that inputs the same average time a human does.
No you don't. You can write prediction algorithms that consider the most likely moves, and stores what to do against such moves. This allows you to respond immediately with an engine.
I respect this guy. He handled all of that really well.
so fast, so deadly and so nasty moves from carlsen. Love it
We were all waiting to see his reaction when he realizes he's been playing against Carlsen, but unfortunately that was left out. That was really a huge anticlimax. 😖
I'm sorry about that, sadly I couldn't find any footage of Magnus telling Jan, if you can find anything like that on YT please let me know because I really want to do a follow up video on it. I think I saw a video of Jan mentioning it on one of his streams, but I can't find it now. EDIT: Ok so this is what I found online in a now deleted tweet directed to Johan Salomon "Johan, twelve people at least are wondering: When was @GMJanGustafsson made aware he was actually playing Magnus - and what was his reply?" Johan's reply: "No idea" Sadly we don't get the payoff of Gustafsson finding out on video. :(
Kind of agree--I posted elsewhere that I wanted to hug the guy. When does the sequel come out?
He was told it after the show, so no footage of his reaction possible.
This vid has been posted like 50 times over the years, and it never gets old
Incredible game - Jan's responses are golden. I'm glad MC didn't leave him in the dark about how the game was played.
Great video! Saw this match a while ago, but your analysis of it was great!!
Came for the trolling. Stayed for the wonderful analysis 😁
I've seen this game tons of time before, but never a full breakdown, blow by blow, like yours. Great content! Liked, subscribed. Thanks for the video, keep it up this great content!
Gustaffson is such a gentleman. Love his sportmanship and behavior.
When I get completely crushed it's very easy for me to think that someone is cheating (most of the time this is simply not the case, I'm just getting crushed) and I'm relatively weak at 1700 rating. For Jan, it was clear that he had these thoughts too during this game! Being a Grandmaster & being bullied must have heightened these feelings also.
go fys 1700 is not weak
He said relatively weak.
@@calebwilliams3055 relative to someone 300 points better - an expert
@calebwilliams3055 He *wrote: "relatively weak".
@@yesno9592He *typed: “relatively weak”.
One of the few matches I can watch over and over again.
I love it
Jan's own channel is always worth a visit and a fantastic option in the game world and fun to watch...
Those are my reactions every time I play! Lol. I feel his pain many times a day and its usually followed by "I hate this game. Never playing again!"
I’m proud to say I played against Benjamin Bok without knowing when he was doing a rapid tutorial and he destroyed me. A helpless feeling.
How did you find out?
Poor Jan. He handled that well but was perhaps boiling on the inside. I'm glad he later learned it was all a trick and spent some quality time fetching beers for Magnus at Magnus' penthouse suite.
I don’t think that he was boiling inside. Jan is a very relaxed guy, and he is able to laugh about himself
@@mathildewesendonck7225 Sure, in part. But I don't think a GM takes losing like that lightly to an IM. He got demolished, admitted it throughout, and was visibly shaken.
He seems like a nice guy
Dutch looks simple but if you dont know your stuff you end up in cramped positions and eventually your opponent smash you I speak about rating 2000. It looks simple when Magnus plays
I watched this literally 20-40 times on different channels and it's still entertaining
Carlsen is quite simply brilliant.
So Magnus smurfin GMs from time to time
Jan is a super guy, he takes it so well !!
I liked the bit when they moved the different coloured pieces around the board. It was majestic! I've no idea what they were trying to accomplish but it looked like a dance of some sort. Like the Haka those Polanision people do before a performance. It's very quaint.
just discovered this channel, very pleasantly surprised, subscribed
GM says crazy moves. Magnus is GOAT
"I shouldn't be playing chess" 😭Humble.
How Magnus can just put a beat down on a top player like that is crazy.
7.01 this is so me 😂 Almost crawling into the screen, hoping to see the best move… even though my vision is perfectly fine
I’d be pretty upset if my 1200 rated opponents had Magnus sit in for a game . . . .
It's really cool to see the reaction before he knows it's him. Magnus is just astounding.
That's not an overstatement.
3:32 "When is a pawn not a pawn" - Baron Vladimir Harkonnen.
You know he thought Magnus was cheating but that was some phenomenal chess
“I already dislike my position“ at early game. Only a true grandmaster can understand. To me it looks like he hasn’t lost a piece yet.
Oh no, I‘m a 600 and I can understand it perfectly!! I usually dislike my position after two or three moves
"Such strange moves, played instantly" - I love that he says instantly to show that he doesn't think there is any cheating. People who cheat and play where moves after a period of time need the time to tell the computer the new moves for it to compute. The fact it was instantly is where it shows it's not coming from a computer.
There are computer scripts now that people use and get moves out consistently in 1-2 seconds. Most cheaters aren't that sophisticated but some are, unfortunately.
Damn that was brilliant....
6:58 Me almost every single game
the more i study and learn chess, the more i learn i know nothing about chess....
- Is he trying to humiliate me? Yes.
Carlsen on the troll mod
"you try to humiliate me".. After he lose, humiliation did work perfectly then. 🤣😎
What are the symbols after each move is made?
Magnus the engine mover😂😂😂
I think the most interesting part is his that very quickly he realized that something was off and that his opponent was very strong. I mean, he could have think it was just bad luck, or he wasn't in the game...but no, he knew he was beaten fair and square.
Luck doesn’t really exist in chess, the only luck comes online where you or your opponent could mouse slip.
@@fox2569 There is definitely luck involved in the wide sense of the word. Sometimes you see a move, and sometimes you don't. Or, you can make a move where you miss a potential move from your opponent, but you see after you moved that luckily there is a way to answer and you are fine. The game doesn't contain randomness, but people's behaviour certainly do.
@@theWebWizrd all of that isnt luck but skill or condition, the online mouse slip really is luck though and super frustrating when it happens
@@theWebWizrdstatistical flukes average out in the long run, but within a single game obviously there's an element of bluff. even Kramnik overlooked a mate in 1 once (against Deep Fritz). there's also something known as a "tilt". not exactly luck, but a state of mind - once the player starts doubting himself for whatever reason, errors begin to breed more errors, and it may take a while to regain composure. this state of mind can be quite volatile, especially among some players. (Nepo being a prominent example - once something snaps, he starts hallucinating stuff and blundering a lot, playing well below his level, as it happened in both of his WC matches).
I remember watching this live and peeing myself laughing as he melted down.
I remember seeing the first game they played but I can't find it now
super great content AMAZING!!! keep going man +1 subscribe
Thanks for the sub!
Jan Gustaffson is such a nice guy that should have way more screen time!
Interesting game; stunning that Magnus creates these complications barely out of the opening.
Poor bloke sounded absolutely gutted
banterthon clearly thought that he was playing against stockfish, so he wouldnt have been too upset about losing, just frustrated
I remember watching this when it happened. So funny.
Is he streaming? Where is he now?
this guy had nice humility
I’m HOUNDED by Magnus. That dude just won’t LEAVE ME ALONE 😅
Its Crazy a GM would be this lost playing Magnus.
I watched this LIVE and it was hilarious. Jan is so confused.
Where do they play this version of chess? Whats it called?
He may have considered cheating but said that these moves came instantly, which makes illegal actions difficult (for expert advice consult GM H.M. Niemann 😅😅😅). Great prank and cool reaction of GM Gustaffson! Super video!
This dudes camera makes him look like a 90’s news anchor.
I feel for JG, this is how I feel vs Stockfish level 5 on Lichess.
My introduction to chess was Jan and Peter Svidler's commentary on chess24, love this guy!
He lost like a GM
So basically, this is just some "Monday morning quarterback" stuff
Gustaffson seems to be recording from an aircraft in space in the 80's
Jan have worked with Magnus for more than a decade, so I'm pretty sure he can figure out it's Magnus.
especially since the account was Norwegian... i suspect Jan might have been in on it all along, and this was sort of a publicity stunt. for context, it was 2015; a year after chess24 was co-founded by Gustafsson (and a few years later it merged wth Carlsen's company). it's not like they played on some random website
Is it intentional to have the early 90s video/sound feel on Jan's video?
I think that this game was more of luck because Jan had the brilliant bishop move in mind, but didnt go for it. It was a gamble by Magnus which luckily went through. I love them both as players and human beings. :)
in chess you capitalize on your opponent's mistakes. he made a mistake and Carlsen punished it. Gamble?!
@@qondamyes, magnus gambled. If Jan found the correct continuation, he would have an advantage. So magnus took the risk that Jan would not find the refutation
@@anthonydeng5419Or Magnus was himself unaware of the way out.
Banter Blitz with Radio Jan
Are you from South Africa?
Amazing analysis
His name isn't Jan Gustaffson, it's Jan Gustafsson.
Kramnich: follow the process: block, report and go coffee.
This is the difference between mastering theory and being intuitive... both have extreme pros and cons
I love Christopherson commentary on how Magnus plays so much. It’s fascinating what’s he’s saying about his not knowing it was him.
Very confusing game 😂 Specially for you mister😂
It’s cool how Gustafsson picks up right at the start of the game that he could be facing a much better opponent than he is. Even though the opponent’s moves are super weird, Gustafson always allows that they may be over his head. Much respect for his grace and acuity.
There is a video of a similar game: Kasparov raging during a friendly simultaneous 😅 He was playing against somebody who had a much higher rating than he had been told. And Kasparov just wasn’t having it 🤣
and Kasparov was perfectly right. what does it mean: "friendly" simultaneous, by the way? : ) as opposed to all the hostile ones? simultaneous games are always exhibitions, of course they don't count towards anybody's rating... it doesn't justify misleading or sandbagging. if he's told none of his opponents is rated over 2000, the organizers shouldn't be sneaking in people who are.
Great sport!!! A true artist and fantastic comentator!
I thought he was saying the Dutch is humiliating him was because he is German! 🤣🤣🤣
Gustaffson?! The best and funniest chess moderator (especially in his German talks) and a great GM! (...og en morsom idé fra Carlsen! ;D)
Magus has done this to Gustafsson a few times. I'll admit, Jan takes it like a Gentleman, even though you know he's upset. Never stops being funny though.
Gustaffson was on of Magnus's seconds when Magnus prepared for the world chess championship. Furthermore he commentated for chess24 which was partly owned by Magnus.
Gustafsson is literally the founder of chess24
Poor guy. Unexpectedly destroyed and so confused