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🕑 Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
1:51 The Engine
3:05 The Plot
5:25 The Maps
8:05 The Castle
11:09 Pairings
13:34 Holy Blood
15:55 Trading
18:32 The Pursuit Skill
20:20 The Substitutes
21:39 Thracia 776's Role
23:29 Path of the Crusader
26:11 What I Don't Want
28:54 Outro
This is a video where I talk about what I want from a potential Genealogy remake.
#fireemblem #nintendo #genealogyoftheholywar
You guys asked for it, so here you go. 🕑 Timestamps: 0:00 Intro 1:51 The Engine 3:05 The Plot 5:25 The Maps 8:05 The Castle 11:09 Pairings 13:34 Holy Blood 15:55 Trading 18:32 The Pursuit Skill 20:20 The Substitutes 21:39 Thracia 776's Role 23:29 Path of the Crusader 26:11 What I Don't Want 28:54 Outro
MANGS IS TIME STAMP GUY?!???!!!
What if... they made an avatar, that doesn't have kids and he/she survived along Quinn and then they become 2 Jeagens
Maybe to deal with the size of maps, also make the move stat have a growth rate, along side with the auto-move mechanic.
I have a question do yoh still play feh
Path of the Crusader sounds sick as fuck
What I Want from a Genealogy Remake: Existence.
“Everyone have such high standards.” Game developers
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*Same*
Mangs: “What I want from a Genealogy remake” Also Mangs: #pathofradiance
Turns out the BBQ was just Arvis cooking some lamb chops and accidentally having the gas on when he lit it
What I want from a Geneology Remake: I want a Geneology Remake
What I want from fe4 remake: An epic prologue where you control the 12 crusaders to kick Galle’s butt instead of a wall of text.
this as a DLC would be hella epic
@@mrbilter83 why would it have to be dlc? Echoes and New mystery added prologues without dlc
@@Bunnymafia8150 yes but this would be a VERY long prologue as it involves liberating all of Jugdral
@@mrbilter83 not necessarily. They could brush over that it the prologue and still have the climax only be one chapter. In new mystery there’s a bunch of exposition in the prologue chapters. Maybe have a scout report recent bits and have random dialogue here and there that explains what happened
Fuck yes.
"Master Palmark, there are too many of them. What are we going to do?"
I want remakes not to be fucked up with cutting shit out
This is fire emblem, not pokemon. I think we are ssfe
@@chrisf.9595 Except it happened a lot to fates. But Nintendo also has been on a pretty anti-censorship parade recently so its still probably fine
@@iwanthisokatofuckmesilly5222 fate is extremely odd situation. Most fingers pointing at tree house as the major culprit.
@@DarkJ1425 It really isn't. Treehouse censored tons of stuff around that time, not just FE stuff. I am saying that it ended up getting so much backlash they finally stopped
They didn't add an avatar in SoV. They added some new characters but they kept the main story intact (i.e. Alm cannot end up with Faye, Celica can't end up with Saber, etc). This really stands out to me. Reason why I believe when they do remake Genealogy they won't butcher it or add an avatar.
And given that when they tried Kris sales tanked and drove the series even closer to death, I hope the lesson was learned.
@@dr_noooo Your logic makes no sense. Awakening doubled down on the avatar system and made Robin even more integral to the story (i.e. the story would make even less sense if the avatar wasn't there, unlike New Mystery where you could remove Kris entirely and lose almost nothing of value), and it ended up almost singlehandedly reviving a franchise that would've been iced permanently had the game not succeeded. If Kris was responsible for FE12's failure, then why was Robin's game such a smash hit? Also, New Mystery didn't sell poorly because of Kris; it sold poorly because it released after the Tellius games and Shadow Dragon, which were hardcore strategy games for a niche audience released on consoles whose audiences were primarily made up of people who don't play video games. Not only that, but Path of Radiance was released when the GameCube was basically dead, Radiant Dawn received no marketing whatsoever, was a sequel to a game that wasn't that popular to begin with, and was released a week before Super Mario Galaxy, and Shadow Dragon was a remake of a game that no one outside of Japan had even heard of. Look, I'm not the biggest fan of Kris either, but laying the blame for the franchise's near-demise solely at their feet is just shortsighted and wrong.
@@ryangallagher9723 I consider adding an avatar to a remake and rescripting the game rather different from making a new game (or story, more accurately) centered around an avatar. Even with Awakening and Fates selling as incredibly well as they did, they still left Gaiden intact by not introducing an avatar in Echoes: Shadows. So either a) that was a strange fluke, or b) IS got the point that storywise, a lack of an overhaul is better. Could be either. As long as the game is fun and the story isn't made significantly worse, I'm not going to bother caring.
@@ryangallagher9723 Kris was an addition in a remake, Robin was part of a brand new game.
@@ryangallagher9723 Well its because in the first place, the game is dont have an avatar. So when they released an avatar, it ends up taking a spotlight from an already established character like Marth for example. But Awakening is brand new story and even though an avatar exist there, Robin role not really take Chrom or Lucina role too much. They do it again and try to make avatar as a main Lord, but thats not working either. At least with Byleth, they succeed and the game is better than Awakening for many of Fire Emblem fans. If Kris role is like Robin and not take spotlight of other character too much, I think the game will sell well especially for veteran who enjoy Fire Emblem 1 and 3.
You should make a “What I want in a fe6 remake” video
Fix some units like Sophia will be one of the things. How a half dragon dark mage user is a level 1 unpromote with those stats and growths, at least she should have Est growths or more level.
@@lacreatura4737 that will be good to.
- Make some units more viable. I know some people like the Power Fantasy of FE6 were not everyone is equal and that is a fine approach but as someone said above, units like Sophia or Gwendi and Roy himself are just complete suffering to train and use. - Remove ambush spawns. - Make it so that you can get the true ending without obtaining all of the Legendary Weapons (hmmm MAYBE) - Rework Sacae entirely - Give Fae an actual dragon transformation and not the giant chicken one she has.
To be fair we already have Project Ember.
@@nefalissys9630 Or maybe make it mandatory to get all the legendary weapons
Imagine an echoes esc cinematic of Shannan and Oifey taking Seliph to Isaach immediately after Belhalla
So 2 frames Per second Cinematic???
@@oof5992 Echoes cinematics looked good. The low framerate- at least in my opinion- accented the artstyle very well. I personally think they even look better than Fates/Awakening cinematics. You should totally check out a compilation of the echoes cinematic cutscenes, the frame rate really DOES add to it. Not defending 3h though, they look unfinished in that game for the most part.
@@oof5992 still better than 3H cutscenes
I find awakening cinematics are the Best out oft the 3ds games. It just has so much detail
Imagine a cinematic of Kurth and his forces getting ambushed and killed.
I also hope they don't change how dancing works because it's so sick. You can dance up to 4 people!!!
Agreed dancing four people at once makes more sense logistically.
The support system could help anyone who hasn’t that much dialogue like Noish (who only have a dialogue with Erynis or Lachesis in chapter 5 if he is married to one of them), also, supports like talk conversations can give some items or stats, like Ethlyn giving some sword to Sigurd or Beowulf being a mercenary can teach some skills to Alec or Noish for example.
I want to see Rodolvan and Tristan training montague 😁 I like that special conversation.
after completing metroid zero mission (which is a remake of the original metroid) you get an option on the title screen to play the original. It's something I wish more remakes would do. I feel like it also lets the developers make more changes to the game, because even if it sucks, you now have access to the better version.
About the kids dying, they could just imply what Conquest did with Hans and his men killing the whole town
The kids dying has to happen for two reasons. Lore-wise, and another reason I'll point out after. Lore-wise... Children, and mostly children, are filled with potential Quintessence that a being like Loptous would love to gather for himself. Hence the sacrifices. Claud himself does mention that Quintessence exists in Jugdral. However, the darkest reason is not only because of how totally messed up it is (Duh), but because of how simply efficient it is. I shall state via a quote I found. "You take children and say 'Hey? Kill each other. Whoever survives this will be ascended into nobility. You will have wealth, and privilege, and a welcome position of governance over our new order." Just have to look up "Hitler-Jugend, Bund deutscher Arbeiterjugend ("Hitler Youth, League of German Worker Youth") to know how the end result of such a practice is just so evil it really is.
Drinking game: Take a shot every time Mangs says “epic”
I'm already drunk when I read this message how many times did he say epic?
I’ve noticed this a lot with his content actually. Maybe it’s because English isn’t his first language, but if you watch his unit reviews with Mekkah you could do the same drinking game when he says “walking blank”, or “perfectly serviceable unit”. Love his content, just noticed this overtime
Sorry, I choose life.
Instructions unclear, have gained cirrhosis of every liver within 30 miles.
I’ve never been as bothered by the no trading mechanic. The only tweak to it I’d make is that lovers should be allowed to trade with each other the same way they’re allowed to pass gold between them. Also, I love the giant maps. They feel epic.
big maps have pros and cons, what I really hate about it is that I need to pick whether I use the return staff here or not but at the same time it's challenging that makes it fun as hell, it really inspires me to do Maddening, Hector hardmode and Lunatic long story short: I hate and love that you need brain cells to complete the chapters
They can keep the maps, they just need to buff movement
My first time playing FE4 was about half a year ago and I hated it. I know die hard fans may be used to it, but as first time player without a real guide (I had some recommended pairings but that was it) it’s so punishing when I realized the only way to trade items around was through gold management on each person and guess who died early on. Yeah the thief kid(forgot his name). I don’t see why they can’t have a personal tracker for weapons used by a person and said weapon bonus stats only apply to them (Max brave sword is only applicable to A and said kid A has, if A trades to B or A’s kid trades to another kid the stats are lost). It would go a long way in improving first time players experience because it’s honestly just annoying.
@@VG_Yugi damn the thief kid is the most important unit to transfer (without having to pair one another) and steal gold, that must've sucked.
I honestly don't think trading should be in at all. It couldd just brake the game even in that limited capacity
Until an FE4 remake is confirmed the only thing I want is for it to exist to begin with
What I Want from a Genealogy Remake: Kaga's Part 3 of the story
Always a nice idea for a remake.
wait, there was a part 3 in the original plans?!
@@silbernerritter5834 Yes, iirc it would be like a gen 1.5 where Azel is the main character
I would very much like scenes after battle of belhalla for the mothers, like tailtyu escaping with erinys while erynis showing early signs of her illness, or lachesis going through yied desert while showing in the distance the lopto cult waiting for her and edain catching up to shannan and the other children, maybe even a scene showing briggid distracting bandit while plummeting to the ocean
I must say that Genealogy is one of the few games I've played that conveyed a genuine sense of itself being truly epic. I'd say it's because it cements that into your mind with the intro and title screen, which has the best rendition of the Fire Emblem theme, followed by the very first map which is huge and has Sigurd's theme playing.
Genealogy is my absolute favorite in the series and it could definitely benefit from a Remake but it needs to be done with love and care. I pretty much agree with everything you mentioned, the Path of the Crusader idea is really cool, never would’ve thought of that for difficulty options. That clip of Ced fighting Arion was tense, how did he keep missing? Lmao!
miracle band on Arion
IS is actually planning to combine genealogy and POR into one remake. Oh yeah and Kaga is coming back from the shadow realm
Where did you find that information?
Best Idea
@@deathclawproductions6723 You know he's joking right?
@@projectmessiah Nope
@@projectmessiah who said I was joking?
What i want from a FE4 remake is a more deep look into Arvis's character, people blame him way too much for stuff he didn't planned or had nothing to do with it such as Deidre's kidnapping or the child hunts. I would like to show more scenes, maybe flashbacks even, where it's shown taking care of it's half-brother Azel or show how much he actually loved Deidre, julia and even Julius. After all, the game itself says that Arvis was a great emperor and that he was sorry for not being able to stop neither Julius or the lopto party
Arden brave sword pursuit is all I need from a remake
If they made a PoR remake, they might be able to make the third installment to tellius if it does well, and considering how a lot of people love those games these days, it would probably sell well.
Out of curiosity, how would you guys feel about this as sort of an in-between of the old and new trading/gold mechanics? Tie them to the support system. Obviously weapon ranks would need to be adjusted somewhat, but maybe units would only be able to trade C-Rank weapons at C-Support, B-Rank at B-Support and so on. That way, two characters would need an established bond to feel comfortable potentially giving away something valuable like a Brave Sword. This puts a limit on being able to pass around your best weapons without proper setup and encourages the player to pay attention to the bonds their units make. Alternatively, maybe have trading open up in stages? Like C-Support grants the ability to trade gold, B-Support trades rings, and A-Support trades weapons. In the case of a unit getting hold of an item they can't use (ex. Sigurd getting Elwind from an enemy drop), they could either sell it to the pawn shop like normal, or be able to just give it to someone.
That makes a lot more sense.
That's actually a pretty cool idea! The way I would solve trading in FE4 is simply to enable it at the home castle and disable it everywhere else. The thing about there being no trades is that it encourages you to think of each unit as having a personal set of items tied to only that unit. Trading only in the castle means that no unit can separate itself from their items until the end of the (ridiculously long) map, which I think fulfills the purpose.
They are gonna make Oifey an avatar, I'm calling it now!
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Don't jinx it! Don't give me hope!
No that’s illegal
I doubt they would because there was no avatar in the gaiden remake. This scares the hell out of me though.
RIP oifey moustache you will be missed
A Genealogy Remake seems more and more likely as the days roll on with how much love they're showing Jugdral recently.
I kinda hope theres extra chapters that elaborate more on the plot and give more chances to learn about the character's and world building of fe4. I hope the story draws inspiration from the manga and uses it to help better understand character motives as appose to the game where you don't really learn much unless you seek to. The manga handled some of the character's really well but was also filled with some fluff that the game did better in. Maybe have a chapter where you get to meet up with leaf and his party or something like that.
man if manga arvis is different from in game arvis
@@Callie1444 My biggest gripe with it by far, next being how some characters are cut out. It's just a long fanfic though, not officially tied to the game. Fingers crossed it stays that way.
I don't like at all the FE4 manga, is just very edgy for my taste with things that never happened in the game or changing it. Like Eithlyn's suicide and Sigurd harassing Deidre.
Regarding kill counts and trading weapons you could just make it an expertise mechanic, if Finn kills 50 units with a brave lance, he reaches an expertise threshold and the weapon becomes more powerful FOR HIM ONLY. When you trade it around it defaults to the number of kills that unit has with that particular type of weapon and they can become better at it as well but only after accruing 50 kills with it by themselves, make it so the character becomes more capable with said weapon instead of the weapon becoming magically better.
The only way I'd be fine with Ishtar being recruitable is if it were a part of an unlockable ending where you exorcise Loptous from Julius instead of killing the poor boy. But at the same time, I feel something like that would be best left in the hands of a skilled fanfic writer since the story is honestly near perfect as is.
hope the same dude who was responsible for SoV is in charge of an eventual fe4 remake, i'd imagine itd be just as faithful as that remake was maybe with a few nice additions.
Never have I felt a worse pain in my life after seeing 7:44
shoutout to ced for missing that many 92 hit, what a madman
Miracle band is a drug
What the fuck did I just watch
I would add extra playable characters for both gens, like young Oifey who can't promote in gen 1, for gen 2; 2 extra children units and 2 Thracia characters like you mentioned, Saias and maybe Eyvel, or manage to recruit Ishtar or Arion on the final battle
I imagined Selim, Saias, and Sara as well - including some of the substitutes. (Especially Linda) Saias would try to reason with Alvis, and they refuse to attack each other. If Saias is recruited, Alvis doesn't hold it against him but tells Seliph "...Saias is among you... do me one favour... Give... him... Valflame." Selim would be all "Hello... Manfroy..." who would tell him "The Loptous does not tolerate traitors. That's the rule.It seems I will be taking you down myself, where Veld failed!" Sara would of course be all "Time to DIE, 'GRANDFATHER'!"
Here's an idea if/when they remake Genealogy and Thracia, separately though: Have the ability to influence growths and bases of characters in Thracia based on save data from Genealogy, just like how it works with Path of Radiance and Radiant Dawn. If Quan and Ethlyn have maxed stats, Leif would get a few extra points in Thracia. if Rachesis married Finn, Nanna and Finn would have some dialogue about them being family, or if you have Janne, she'd replace Nanna in Thracia. If Ced's father isn't Lewyn, or was replaced with Hawke, it'd be reflected in Chapter 4x and Chapter 23. Since some portraits of the substitute kids are in Thracia, maybe have them show up, too, whether as cameos or as new playable units.
Dang this video is long. I hope in the remake that some parts of the game's story is altered like in the manga. The manga honestly humanized a lot of the villians in the game and stuff. Also an idea of mine is that some substitutes appear in the game appears in the game as green units that help on certain chapters if certain requirements are met since some of the substitutes have some importance to the story. I would love if the substitutes got to appear in the game even if you did pairings.
I disagree, I hated the manga for how much it changed from the game. Also it is fanfiction, never has been 'official' in any way. And that's how it should remain.
Horrible things being done to you do not justify you doing it upon those whove done nothing to you. Manfroy isn't humanized, what he did in return is even worse.
@@kai_824 true.
I would like them to add some manga stuff but not all of it
I would say yes to an avatar with the conditions being that he has a less avatarish child and that he/she dies with the first generation. And as a crazy idea have Julias use his Loptus powers to bring the first gen back like how the fates dlc did it for its side story and use your posessed avatar as a uming threat.
I’m definitely opposed to inserting an avatar in the story but the idea of the deadlords actually being some of your own gen 1 units could work really well, although it might be a bit corny
Well, canonically I believe some of the deadlords are Gen 1 units, at least, Brigid/Eyvel can end up as one in thracia, so it wouldn’t be out of the question for them to double down on that
In regards to holy blood and holy weapons: I'd like the addition of "lesser holy weapons" linked to the crusaders useable even with minor bloodlines. FE5 already add to the lore things like Blagi Sword and Dire Thunder (plus a tons of other personal weapons) that are still linked on a narrative level to a specific family/holy blood ownership. The concept could be used and expanded upon giving minor bloodline characters a mechanical crutch to make them more relevant in battle and could be used to develop Jugdral's lore.
That would make me hate the 'only one child can inherit major holy blood' thing a lot less and it would be nice to not have to leave the demi-gods siblings in the dust. Bonus points if these things have minor differences that the main holy weapons don't even have to prevent them from just being inferior incarnations, although I would take a diet version of something awesome on top of the awesome one over just the awesome one anyday.
So... basically the heros relics and holy weapons in 3houses. If you have a crest you can SAFELY use any of em, you dont get the cool bonuses if your crest dont match... but in this case alterations to fit the game, more so were just talking the hoky (silver) weapons
Allow minor blood use with half stat bonuses like in febinary
honestly, i wanna see the manga get referenced in a remake
Yeah, there's a lot of potential for the story.
I saw a lot of people talking about expanding Gen 1 Oifey into a avatar-like character with customization options (for example, being able to give him different minor Holy bloods or changing his class). Given that he’s already a pretty relevant character, it sounds like having the gameplay benefits of an avatar without them bogging down the story
He's practically the only character that could become an avatar like unit. They might have to play around with his age tho, and question if he can marry in gen one or only gen 2.
@@nightcloud2014 Marriage is always the awkward part; I thought Azel and Dew were both too young to marry but the game didn't seem bothered.
I would like to see Rodolvan and Tristan's training montage again 😆 I like that secret event. In fact, the substitutes characters have the best secret events. I like the one Mana has with Seliph It is really cute 😊
Not even done with the video yet but a lot of the things you mentioned are actually addressed in FE4 Binary. Weapon kill count effect being toned down to +1 crit per 10 kills, and +1 crit for the character per 10 kills. Pursuit being balanced around different speed thresholds for doubling and weight reduction based on str/2 or 3. Many of these changes would work great for a potential fe4 remake.
I don´t understand why not being able to trade is such a deal breaker issue for so many people. There are a ton of games where your units don´t even have the liberty of having a personal inventory to trade with.
Maybe if they made Thracia an DLC, and if you manage to capture Reinhardt it would unlock a cutscene in actual remake that shows Reinhardt meeting Ishtar after her defeat against Seliph/Leif... I know, i know a little fanfiction, but hey, its a remake after all, they COULD do that, at least recruitable(by capturing him) Reinhardt on Tharacia part.
How I would handle an avatar in fire emblem. Make them a villager with aptitude. No holy blood, no bullshit. In character creation, make the player choice 1 of 5 personalities which effects not only your growths but what supports are available. That's right, your OC can not be friends with everyone. Personalities can include things like bland, clown, asshole, timid, etc. This would also alter battle quotes and your pointless dialogue options in story moments (if they want to some what fix that, pull a three houses and have some options make you gain and lose support with units, but implemented better.) Thier involvement in the main story is minimal. You are the recruitable villager character. You might have a few chapters or paraloges where you are the focus but they should be few and not overstay thier welcome. Though if they do the whole "my village was destroyed by brigands" I would not be against an early game paraloge that puts the player up against a small army of bandits and thier captain. Perhaps give them a set of boots as a reward. To make your oc truly your own, they would be the only unit that can promote to any base class FROM VILLAGER. I would image you would get a seal after chapter 1 that would promote only you. Is this perfect, no. But it was a thought.
I think there should be saves everytime you take a castle. Edit: Or maybe the map starts out small but opens up and unlocks bigger parts of the map when you do seize a castle.
There’s a save for each turn though
@@greciabarandiaran8634 thanks for that info I already know. It's just not good game design and loses tension.
What I want: > Buff the muggle characters. (Arden, Alec, the substitutes, etc.) The Holy Blood characters have decent/good growths, but then you get the muggle characters and their growths are like _maybe_ health and defence. Just something to encourage a more diverse gameplay > I also want the crusader weapons to be as broken as they were because they're so rare and exclusive. Three Houses is the other end of the spectrum where some Crests trigger so rarely that you forget they exist and using Relics without a crest isn't a real issue because healing. > Beating the game once should unlock 'Substitute Mode' where pairs do not count (ie you can still pair units for items and bonuses, but the narration just says everyone died childless) and you start with all the substitutes unlocked. That way you don't have to bend over backward to use substitutes if you want the challenge. > Enable reclassing OR have it like Three Houses where any class can wield any weapon so that it opens up the pairing system a little more and you aren't limited to the exact same pairings every playthrough. OR have it so that Holy Weapons/unique weapons are passed down to the child that can potentially use them (ie: Tailtyu x Claude, Tinny inherits the Valkyrie because she can use staves after promotion, Lewyn x Adeen, Lana inherits Forseti because she gains Anima after promotion)
I realised that lore wise genetic inheritance doesn't know what 'class' the children are going to be but it still irks me how sometimes the child who gets the major stuff can't even use it when the other one would. Maybe they could make the holy blood enable someone to use that weapon type regardless of what class they are; though that could still screw over the other siblings in comparison... I think it would be cool if major holy blood could be inherited indefinitely instead of only one child because I personally feel the thought that only one of my children can be a strong as me and the others just get scraps is kinda demoralizing; I'd feel kinda guilty about that. (The child thing is hypothetical, I don't actually have kids in case anyone asks).
I don't think they need to tone down the darker elements. It's those dark elements that make this game seek interesting to me, despite having not played it.
Some chapters like 1, 2,3, 6,7 could easily be chopped into smaller parts, and I think it would help out a lot because you'd have more time for between chapter cutscenes. Then some maps like 5 9, finale really need to stay massive to retain the epic scale.
Good watch, agree with pretty much every one of your points. Only thing I'd add is in regards to the game's soundtrack; TLDR I don't want them touching it. The music of FE4 is amazing not only because of the standout tracks, but because of how it enhances the game's storytelling. Stuff like the armies and countries each having their own themes, and some having both good and corrupted versions (Friege, Velthomer etc.) speaks and gives character in ways that traditional dialogue can't. On top of that, there's leitmotif that's actually used effectively and not crammed into every single song like in Fates. Probably the best example of this I can thing of is (spoilers obviously) how the Doors of Destiny track is a remix of Conversation 1, the latter of which plays at the pivotal story moment when Eldigan rides to Chagall in Chapter 3, knowing full well that he's gonna die. By doing this, the game flat out foreshadows the outcome of Chapter 5 as nothing more than a brutal death march, but it's done so in such a subtle way that the majority of player's aren't gonna pick up on it during their first playthrough. Moments like these, when you're immersed entirely through gameplay and feeling, is where FE4's storytelling excels.
For the large maps of this game i really think they should use the battalion feature from 3h however instead of making one battalion just stay in a single tile with the unit they can just be following you around. Kinda like how in the endgame the wyvern riders and arion follow altena around. You could control a unit's battalion on your own but not move them one by one instead just give them a target or command them to defend a castle. You can replenish your battalion in any castle but they might get very expensive Other than that i really agree with many things you said and i definitely would like to see saias as a playable character. He can be with the kids fleeing from munster castle so it would make protecting them a bit easy
I Hope they add more hints for the secret Events, some off them are just was to cryptic
Mega spoilers, but I think it'd be sick if Julia could be snapped out of her mind control thing that Manfroy puts on her by her lover (if she has one.), since genealogy has a big emphasis on romance between units. I think it should still be only after Manfroy's killed and you still have the option to have Seliph talk to her.
What if, along with the menu that determines difficulty, there was also a menu to choose whether you’d like to play with some of FE4’s original mechanics (no trading, etc) or a more modern version?
Completely agree with you on not wanting to nerf the holy weapons and holy blood. It's a great story to gameplay integration. I really hate it when some characters or in universe mechanics are hyped up so much but end up being mediocre in actual gameplay. Holy blood characters have the blood of the dragons in them, and their major holy blood awakens the true power of the holy weapons. It makes sense that you would be able to solo entire armies with them - both the narrative and the mechanics tell you so.
I would want to see a xenologue where Deidre starts to remember the few things that she clearly did start to remember. Like it involves Oifey and Shannan as well.
I'm not sure that would help, since she would have lost all of her agency anyway.
They just released the original FE4 for Famicom app - Japan exclusive. This could be nothing at the end, but let's keep an eye for the next two months.
Against dumbing down or dancing around the dark parts of the story. it's simply what makes the FE4 story what it is and sets it apart. English localisation already has a nasty habit of changing too much as well. While i like another 2d game loyal to the FE4 engine. i have a hard time seeing it happen. Hope i'm wrong in that. Agree on the no avatar thing. The big maps will be difficult to balance. they need to be big for reasons mentioned but it's no secret that non cav units in fe4 suffer because of it too. Would like to see the substitute characters at least make a cameo even if you don't go the substitute route
“I want it to look similar but cooler and epic.” I don’t really know how to accomplish both these Mangs lol
I hope we can get a playable Saias with valflame and a playable Arion, also, waht about allowing Ishitar to survive but as an npc that stay on the base recovering and giving advice, life Oyfei and Lewen?
The whole appeal of Ishtar's character is the tragedy and sorrow around her. I feel like changing anything about her fate would detract from her character arc.
@@Mangs1337 I agree your point, I was just throwing in a middle ground, to try to generate some healthy discussions
I think the way you have to use the pawn shop is an amazing feature of the game. I don't want this to go away. I really love all the extra strategizing and thinking it adds to the game. Restriction breeds creativity. And it really adds to the feel of every unit in the army being a person with their own items and needs and money to spend. I love it.
Another way to handle the large map issues is just to allow the player to command a unit to move a long distance over multiple turns, ALA Civilization. It's not a perfect solution, but it is an improvement.
What I would want (ignoring the censorship issues for a moment); Story- Improve Gen 2's story in general. Gen 1 has a great story, but gen 2's story is more so mediocre. Like for example, they need to do something about the moment where Manroy just simply lets Julia leave the castle (sure, he has her brainwashed, but it's still a bad move). Give moments of screen time for some side characters. When it comes to Travant himself, tie a few things about his portrayal in Trachia 776 with this remake; like how he caress for his country but is still brutal to his enemies. You know that optional moment where Seliph talks to the spirits of his parents? I feel that should more so be a story important moment after the chapter is finished. In Thracia 776, it's possible for all of Leif's army in chapter 20. However, in Geneology, he claims that nearly his entire army was wiped out. At least mention that his army is just simply fatigued and thus they have been left vulnerable or something that ties that moment better into Thracia 776. Show some of the gen 1 characters surviving the Battle of Belhalla and provide small foreshadowing of what will happen to some of the survivors, like Erin's illness. The Maps- Either provide warp points that unlock over time or make it so that the maps get segmented for specific moments of that chapter. The Castle- Add in a forging option Access DLC in the castle at any time Downtime story moments inside the castle if possible Allow to play available support conversations Allow for individual units to add to a universal gold pile Nerf the arena option. Whether it be to restrict what weapons are allowed, penalties for bringing in stronger weapons, scale enemy units with your units, or even bother to penalize the losing unit harder. Pairings- Support conversations, obviously. Similar to how it works in Path of Radiance or the 3DS era games (minus how the children units were handled in Fates). Make sure that the bug that makes it even possible to pair Seliph up with Julia is not even possible (even with incest being so prevalent in this title) Holy Blood (which would probably get renamed to Blood Alignment or Blood Inheritance in the US version)- Give some sort of bonus those with minor blood to stand a better chance Trading- At least make it so that once they have b-rank or even a-rank, it's possible to trade without the need to marry. Also provide some sort of explanation as to how inheritance with items and weapons work. The pursuit skill- I would prefer there is a 5 speed difference in order to be able to double. If they had to keep in pursuit, just rework how the skill works. Make it so that it's still possible to double without it, but provide some sort of bonus. The substitutes- It seems like they really did not take into account it's possible to have a second generation run with just the substitutes. They could use a slight buff. Maybe have their own unique skills to make up for the lower stats. Thracia 776- Aside from the stuff I already mentioned, it would neat to provide a bonus content system if Trachia 776 remake detects a save file involving Genealogy or just simple cameos. Other stuff- Axes should be similar to how they have been since Path of Radiance, rework the anima tomes and their secondary triangle, training weapons added, re-balance skills, nerf weapon triangle percentage bonus and weapon ranking factor into triangle bonuses, indoor gaiden maps, side story maps to focuses on other characters (if no indoor gaiden map during the main story, then at least have these sometimes take place indoors), and the inclusion of a proper hard mode (the only thing Clever mode does is make enemy formations more aggressive).
With the substitutes I do want to point out that they are sorta supposed to be weaker than the Holy Blood kids because they are effectively only there just to ensure you have units. I think they should probably have some of the members of Tharacia 776 in the remake because it's possible that FE5 wasn't even close to being fully built when FE4 came out and thus, couldn't know which ones could be put in (I don't know). I would personally have some of them be playable and imply that the rest of them are defending the smaller areas since some of them do technically relocate when Leif meets Seliph at the end of FE5, I'm not the biggest fan of the FE5 army basically saying "So yeah, we did some dying off camera". I saw a comment by someone else who pointed out an idea of making the Minor Holy Bloods viable. The rest of the stuff mentioned sounds spot on, cool ideas.
I would honestly keep the same trading system. You dont really need to trade if you can repair the weapon anyway. Trading should be use when you are stuck with a weapon that you cant use, which is your fault to begin with.
for the large maps, what if, when you seize a castle, the area around that castle becomes an area where you can move as much as you like in one turn, that way you cann get into the area of the next castle in one turn and once you get there your movement returns to normal
Some maps you have to backtrack and stop enemies to invade your own fort.. So that'd remove those things, since you either had to put someone to defend there, or use staves and such to send people to defend... Tho that'd make the maps faster... That's for sure
Thanks Mangs for this deep analysis. FE Gaiden and FE4 are the only two I played through childhood time. Now I'm training my kids to play it. I think it's best only to add the HD and CG, not a remake, without changing the map and mechanism. They create the big maps and unique mech to fit the characters' traits and stats growth, hence to balance the game and make the games what they are. The games almost force you to pick your finalists early and settle down to uplvl them into monsters in the late game, as the difficulties between one level to next is pretty steep. So my only ask from the developers is to make it HD and add CG among transitions, without changing anything else. Just like some of popular HD versions, HD AOE2, HD SC, HD HOMM3, HD DIABLO2, nothing else should change. Because anything else changes will easily make it a different and strange game, e.g. look at the WC3 remake - a shame under its own banner.
Yeas, the pursuit skill should be change. May be something like: Attack again if miss (1 per turn). Second attack always hit. Second attack doesn't wear down wpn duration.
For the larger maps, how about some type of re-deploy or reposition mechanic after capturing castles, so I don’t waste several turns manually moving my army before capturing each castle? Agree with most everything else you said. Path of the crusader could be interesting, but I’d prefer a hard/lunatic mode.
What I imagine : Normal sized maps for Gaiden chapters Villages and castles that are connected maps to the Big chapter map ( with walls and balistae) so you really have the feeling of besieging a Fortress. A Time wheel mechanic or at least a Phoenix mode Siege weapons and maybe dedicated units Some New characters. An actual support mechanic that lets you chose who you want to pair ( and will add some lore) Full voice acting ( and not only in english or japanese if possible) A reworked trade system.
what would be interesting in a genealogy remake is.. specifically based on the original where it IS possible for quan and ethlyn to survive and defeat travant.. IF quan and ethlyn survived the yeld massacre(by defeating travant via overleveling the two and being lucky with rng), they join sigurd's army, but would still die at the end of ch 5, instead of where in the original they just take the castle sigurd was supposed to go to, softlocking the game. and can never be recruited. there should be a few extra scenes for if the pair defeated travant in such a remake but it only changes the story slightly(ie travant still obtains altena, its just after the finale of ch 5.)
Although, if we got an avatar character, they really wouldn't be able to do much unless they add like a secret hidden forgotten crusader the avatar is descended from. However, I wouldn't be opposed because we all know the avatar will just die with Sigurd and his army, and probably the only characters you might not be able to get with are Sigurd, Deirdre and such, those who canonically fall in love with someone else. The child of the avatar could potentially be interesting with their relationship with other characters and maybe we learn more about the forgotten crusader. This doesn't need to happen, they don't need an avatar character, I just wouldn't mind. but if we get any avatar in the future, bring back the ability to customize your upbringing like they had with Kris
Or be lazy and give the Avatar the Byleth treatment with the time skip (When everyone dies, the Avatar goes missing, but sometime later, the Avatar returns.).
@@X2011racer a likely possibility and it would take away the potential of an interesting avatar child unit. I don’t think they will add an avatar since the only time they added an avatar to a remake which was new mystery which did add to lore and such but IS is pretty faithful with their remakes
Great video Mangs. I agree with most of your takes in the video. Here are the things I would like for an FE4 remake in addition to many of the things you mentioned: - Keep the enormous maps but make them be formed in a more interesting fashion. Turn every section between castle somewhat of a classic Fire Emblem Map. Something that makes FE4 such a slog to play is how "flat" and overly simple the maps feel. - For that I would like them to give all non mounted units more movement while keeping mounted units be as overpowered with ultra canto. - Include Trading for Weapons and other support items such as Staffs BUT keep the Pawn Shop booster items such as Rings. Make it also so that Rings can be broken down into small pieces called "Ring Shards" and they can be bought/sold individually. The more ring shards a character has, the stronger the item gets ofc. - That being said, make it so that pairings and thieves can transfer individual amounts of gold. - Your Path of the Crusader idea sounds great. Would give the game more diversity and varying challenges without necessarily over inflating it.
It’d be neat if they did the difficulty mechanic you mentioned but instead of buffing certain enemies they would buff all enemy units according to holy blood. It could work like the scrolls from Thracia, the Hezul scroll in that game gives 30% and 10% boosts to hp and attack growths respectively so when you select the “Hezul difficulty” it would buff all enemy units hp and attack.
Shanam should definitely be a secret character added to gen 2, and with identical everything to Shanan but with no Balmung. Mareeta and Eyvel are also up there for additional Thracia characters that would fit
Nah. Eyvel and mareeta should just have a cameo where if you enter manster with faval or patty they talk to eyvel and that event changes the siblings ending a bit
@@swagalisgoodra2121 Mareeta is fair enough, but I feel like there’s definitely potential for some good character moments with Eyvel just because her fate in FE5 probably wasn’t intended when FE4 was being developed. You could get away with just a cameo but I feel like that’s almost wasting all the additional material Thracia gave to work with
You can change anything but don’t you dare touch my big maps, they are what made me fall in love with this game
I don't mind having a Ishtar in my army. (Maybe like how we got Pelleas in the 2nd playgtrough? in FE10)
I totally agree with the 3houses argument. The free roam takes you away from the main story which is a big no no
It would probably be a bit annoying, but they could keep each character having their own money, and have trading items for money between characters without the pawn shop. Also maybe make the arena only able to be completed a certain number of times per castle.
So basically don’t change anything from genealogy?
@@JohnDoe-kn7ex I mean, for trading it'd be taking out the process of needing to go to a castle to sell the item, and then buy it with a different character, and for the arena it'd be based on number of times per castle, not letting each person complete the arena each chapter.
@@sicachii969 and it will make everything a lot easier
This was a great video :) Some of my thoughts: Map size - I think I agree with you here. Though I do think there could be things they do to tone down some of the tedium of travel and such. I'm not sure exactly what, but it definitely seems like they could do something to make it feel better. Trading - Personally I think they need to add trading and probably universal gold. The existing system is just going to be way too confusing and complicated for a lot of people. You wouldn't have to dump the weapon improvements though, probably just balance them. Or maybe even tie it to individual characters rather than the weapons (almost like weapon ranks for specific weapons) Thracia - I'm in agreement here too. They can't really fit that story inside this one. But like you said, I definitely want to see the game adjusted to acknowledge that Thracia exists. As it stands, Thracia kind of retcons some aspects of FE4 and the transition from Thracia to 2nd Gen is a little clunky as a result. It would be cool if they took the events of FE5 into account and reflected them in the 2nd Gen story. Like you said, adding Silas as a playable character, or even just little story bits referencing things that happened in that game. Something to make the two games fit together more cohesively. Arena - I agree with you that they need to change this. That said, I almost think they could just do something along the lines of Three House's arena system? That already worked somewhat similarly to FE4's, just with an item prize at the end (along with some gold) and limited by your action points. I feel like that is kind of the way you do it - don't make it this thing you do with every character, but something you maybe want to bring certain fighters to depending on the lineup. And then the reward is for the player as a whole, not the specific person you brought. Probably even limit how many times per castle you can run it (maybe even only once?). Romance - 100% with you on this. Just take the current rank system they're using and whomever you S rank is who gets married. Ironically Awakening sort of invented the modern version of this to solve this very issue as the game that brought back the mechanic from Genealogy in the first place :D. No need to fix what they already fixed :) A lot of the other stuff I agree with too, other than maybe the 2D sprites thing. I just don't think they're going to do that. Pretending this game was the "next" Fire Emblem (though I'm with you in thinking it's Path of Radiance), they are almost certainly reusing the Three Houses engine. That's just too much of a development time save to not do it. Hopefully they can iron out some of its flaws at least though. And honestly, those bigger maps could look freaking gorgeous in full 3D. I am curious, no matter which game they decide to remake, what happens after? They remade FE1 and immediately followed it with FE3. Echoes didn't really have a connected story so it didn't make sense to follow it with anything. But Path of Radiance, Genealogy of the Holy War, Binding Blade - those all have follow up games. Would they do the next game right after? Or would they wait? I'm actually curious which route they would go.
This game def makes the most sense to remake right after having 3H which was so inspired by it
Your Path of the Crusader is a fantastic idea. I agree with most points except the dark tones. I don't mind them ^^ What I would like (Christmas list) - expanding backstory for some characters (both allies and enemies) - strategic layer on macro level added to the mechanics (especially for Gen 2): for example, make it worth to save the village located in the corner of the map opposed to your starting castle. If you manage to liberate a map with villages mostly untouched, you get better rewards at the end of chapter (gold / battalions / new characters (pool from FE 5 included)/ XP to be distributed etc), but your liberated regions bring something to the war effort after each chapter. Also, the strenght of a liberated region impacts the number of enemy waves you get in the next chapter (because why should the Empire just wait for the Final battle when they can crush the rebellion at lower stages?). This strenght would depend on your performance on the previous map but also other mechanics (sending off a member of your party to a liberated region to coordinate the rebels force or sending people on submissions for various rewards - those would receive XP and you could call them back if you wish, minus the empire pushing back against each Rebellion bastion). Basically, you need to balance your fighting power with the power of the whole rebellion. What I don't want - integrated class swapping (easy and lazy way to rebalance your party but doesn't make sense on scenaristic level) - you said it but yeah no Avatar, Time travelling, useless subactivities - the development team rushing production and the game not being EPIC Sorry for the long comment. Your channel is great, I should binge your videos more often.
I think they can retain the large map but also you are able to select multiple characters at once and you give them actions to move > attack/item/talk/wait, all of the selected characters will the move at the same time so it saves time from the walking animation. Attacking will have some kind of priority, ie you pick two characters to attack one enemy, both characters move at the same time to the enemy where you selected where they attack > the first character you selected attacks first > enemy counters > next character attacks > enemy counters if they survived. Maybe if multiple characters are attacking the damage display can happen all at once or attack animation after attack animation. Probably a flawed system but it'll feel like you're more of an army and the enemy can do this too saving more time since there are many groups of enemies clumped together where they have to move one by one. If they moved as one you'll be saving more time. Manual single actions, auto battle, battle skip and movement speed options can still exist.
Well the only way i would think an avatar would be a decent idea is that its like a jagon like thing where hes there but he doesn't take away from the rest of the character and make him not cause a game over if he dies like hes an extra unit
I could not be more against preserving the map size as it is in the original game, as that is the main issue I have with the game, specially for the sake of a story that I'm most likely to skip in other playthroughs. Not only are those maps really boring to traverse, but they hurt otherwise great units. If they want to preserve the feeling of conquering an entire nation, they could perhaps do something in the molds of Chapter 18 of Path of Radiance and have it divided into multiple sections into the same chapter. As for the difference between Holy Bloods and Non-Holy Bloods, I think it could be done in a similar fashion to the Two and Three-tiered units: Holy Bloods would have higher caps and growths to match, while normal units would work very much with the limitations of a two-tier unit, so it would take multiple of them to take down a single Holy Blood enemy.
For Trading you could have personal selling where one character can sell to another without the pawn shop
12:50 The problem with this is the bridgid x finn pair. I will like if they made a DLC with the third game that it was planned.
Mangs, the way you think of rising the difficulty of the game making certain characters or attributes stronger by an option during a playthrough is very similar to the one used by Super Giant Games in Bastion, Hades and Transistor. Should check it out!
Path of the crusader is actually a really cool idea!
ok now all we need is a "What I want from an fe6 remake"...seriously please do this :)
As someone who thought I'd hate Genealogy, I disagree with the idea that the game plays poorly at all! It's soooo much fun! I also disagree with the incest and child hunts being taken out or neutered. Genealogy is a mature story that deserves to be shown in total without masking anything.
Yeah you pretty much covered it! Love the idea of path of the crusader, it sounds like so much fun. I think something needs to be done about horses and roads. Removing roads makes the maps even slower so that's not an option. Only things I can think of are increased infantry move, earlier rescue staff maybe with more range, increased enemy density or something for low movement units to do while the cavalry charge ahead, or just the implementation of rescue dropping. With a few notable exceptions, your infantry are incredibly strong in combat compared to your cavs so that is one form of balance but it's not enough. I also think there's a creative way to implement trading weapons and items in a less hassle free way I just don't know what it is. I was also thinking that if trading is easier, maybe a weapon's increased crit could be unit specific? e.g. Dermott has become really skilled at using Brave Swords and thus can crit with them more easily. Another option I was playing around with was Combat Arts being unlocked that are unit and weapon specific. Like in echoes, you still want units to train with one weapon most of the time. Potentially gives some shittier weapons a niche, spices up the gameplay and possibly makes the holy weapons still incredibly busted with an additional insane combat art with maybe some slightly nerfed stat buffs. Either way, I just want a Genealogy remake so badly...
If there was any reason I wouldn't want a remake of Genealogy or Thracia 776; it would be due to Nintendo of America's censorship policies. They would potentially censor both games heavily; especially with the child hunts in both of them and incest being even more prevalent in Genealogy than anywhere else in the series.
Now that I think about it, they might add an Avatar character. I can already vision it. With the Pairing mostly the second generation. I want an avatar but instead of focusing on the avatar, they should focus more on other characters like Eldigan. it's kinda exiting your avatar being in the game, experiencing lots of things til chapter 5 with Sigurd and his army. but then the story shouldn't change and it should stay like that with a little more upgrades to the remake. I don't know what will happen but I hope they make a Sacred Stones remake...
I thought so the other day, to add I believe they would make him a Loptrian Mage calss - kinda like that dude from FE5 - since there was ZERO playable dark mage in the original. Also to pay homage to Robin.
We really don't need an avatar Like for real, it brings absolutely nothing to the game, except some generic annoying added dialogues If they remake Fe4, i really hope it's just enhanced gameplay, and visuals, for the most part It might be tedious to play for some people, but fuck'em, there are a tons of fire emblem games, we don't need to remake one of the most original to make it closer to the recent ones to not shock other people
A snippit of my large comment I made for the video (very recent): I do think if they would add an Avatar character, they would probably Axe Oifey though, as Oifey's role is minor and I can just see it fit. I just hope it's not forced in and implement it like it was in Fe7 though. I just wish that if they were to add a Playable avatar, You can only marry Gen 2 characters (although I can see a problem with marrying child units. Then again, Oifey/Shannan can marry them as well and no one has any real problems with that). This way, the Avatar experiences both Gens just Like Oifey and be more in part with the world. I just wish there would be an option to not play with an avatar though if they do this.
@@buckbreaking9261 oifey has more dialogue than most characters in the game, idk how you could say his role is minor and axing him would be a terrible idea.
Your path of the crusaider, idea is really nice the game could start in normal and the holy boold you select could affect your own users but this been ask, like "would you endure the holy blood in your army to?"so that you could buff enemys but also buff yourself
My day just got four times better. Thanks for this video Mangs
I really liked this video and I agree with pretty much everything you said and made great points. I would like something like octopath's 3d-2d but I doubt FE will do this. Much more likely we'll get an improved version of SOV's engine which I'll be happy with. It'd be kinda hard to explain Manfroy's goal in the game without making it obvious what is going on so I don't they can hide the incest that much. I honestly don't think they'll shy away from the child hunts either since Ishtar and Julius directly refer to it in Heroes. Yeah I basically second this completely. This is the one thing of the gameplay that really should be kept intact. It truly is just a vital part of FE4 that you can't throw away. Personally I don't want castles to be like mini monasteries but instead like SOV villages. It's perfect for the talking to your army thing as well as completely suitable for the castle feature. For arena I'm not sure how to fix the generosity of it while keeping uniqueness to make feel as special of an arena as it did. Yeah. The love system was never really that good anyway lets be honest. We all know that the FE4 remake would benefit from the characterization that comes with supports even though the storytelling could very well also do that but just for some characters and speaking of that,I hope characters like Quan Ethlyn Lachesis Lewyn and Claud to all be more prominent characters as the story at certain points can call for that. There's a lot they can do with the story for the characters and I look forward to that particularly. More on topic,S Supports really are a simple way to do this and all the love points convos can be implemented in the supports. This amen. This is also perfectly said and correct. The only change I want is just to lower Yewfelle's weight and buff the hit. Maybe the weapon skills can be changed too. I really think the game would just break if trading wasn't a thing. It works fine since the game is made around trading not being a thing and youd have to take that stuff out for it to be balanced with unnecessarily putting in trading. Let people complain about it but it doesn't have to be taken out. You know,I've always just thought of FE4 remake having Pursuit like it was a part of the game that had to be kept for FE4 but it really isn't like that and taking it out and normal doubling or having it work towards that is best for unit design. This might sound crazy but I honestly think they should straight up remove Substitutes and if you don't pair first gen units it's automatic like Chrom in Awakening. Just have generic npc dads. Having bad fathers kinda eumalates how your units will feel weaker after not pairing them up. It's because I think the substitutes really take up too much space for simple failsafes. Hell,they're the reason why they ran out of space to male unique sprites and they focus on other things. Yeah no one should have to tell you that putting FE5 in the FE4 remake is a bad idea. Just forget about doing that,IS. I really just want playable Saias. Him and using Valflame would be a great new thing in the remake. Sounds cool but might just end up being in the pile of unbalanced Fire Emblem difficulty modes. Also forget about avatars. And I don't think they will put one in. Even with the pairings since they didn't in SOV and there really wasn't much of reason to not put some kind of S Supports if they wanted to. Also I feel like FE4 of all titles just doesn't the room for some important avatar. Anyway that's all I needed to say so fare well and a very happy 25th anniversary to Genealogy of the Holy War.
Ayra and Brigid fans being able to insert themselves... (uhhh Mangs??) into Genealogy story.
One way of circumventing the trade mechanic is to link the kill counter to the user. For example if Sigurd uses the silver sword for 50 kills he gets to enjoy the crit effect. But if he trades it to say beowolf the counter will reset. So while you can trade you are incentivised to stick to particular weapons to particular characters
I know next to nothing about FE4 plot (partially because I want to enjoy the game at its fullest if it ever gets remade) but a dumb little idea I have is that they could implement a day/night cycle, in which every, I don’t know, 12 turns a day has passed. Would it affect the gameplay? Absolutely not, but I believe it would make maps feel even more epic: imagine a huge battle that goes on and on for several days, even turns where you basically do nothing but move units around would be more bearable when you think that it’s they moving towards the next group of enemies for 1 hour.
Perhaps for the trading vs kill tracking you could have 'fitted' weapons. Basically the idea is go to a blacksmith and spend a fair bit of gold to slightly improve the weapon in some way (dependent on character maybe more might, more crit or less weight) once a weapon is fitted it can not be traded but it does start the kill tracking