How Sympathetic Are The Fire Emblem Antagonists?

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⏰Timestamps⏰
00:00 Intro
00:45 Medeus
02:29 Gharnef
03:26 Duma
04:25 Rudolf
05:14 Jedah
05:25 Hardin
06:10 Arvis
07:37 Manfroy
08:05 Julius
08:26 Veld
08:46 Zephiel
09:57 Idunn
10:37 Nergal
12:58 Lyon
13:58 Ike
15:03 Zelgius
16:19 Sephiran
17:07 Validar
17:31 Grima
17:45 Gangrel
18:07 Walhart
18:36 Anankos
19:12 Berkut
20:33 Nemesis
21:07 Rhea
21:37 Thales
21:43 Edelgard
22:33 Sombron
23:12 Outro
How Sympathetic Are The Fire Emblem Antagonists?
Fire Emblem is a Japanese fantasy tactical role-playing game franchise developed by Intelligent Systems and published by Nintendo. First produced and published for the Nintendo Entertainment System in 1990, the series currently consists of seventeen core entries and five spinoffs.
The core gameplay revolves around discrete battles between the player's team of characters and enemy non-player characters across grid-based maps. The player and enemy each take turns moving their characters across the map and having them perform combat-based actions. The games also feature a story and characters similar to traditional role-playing video games, and occasionally social simulation aspects as well. A notable aspect of gameplay is the permanent death of characters in battle, rendering them unusable upon being defeated, although this aspect of the game can be turned off starting from Fire Emblem: New Mystery of the Emblem onwards.
The series' title refers to the "Fire Emblem", a recurring element usually portrayed as a royal weapon or shield representing the power of war and dragons. The development of the first game began as a dōjin project by Shouzou Kaga and three other developers, and its success prompted the development of further games in the series. Kaga headed the development of each entry until the release of Thracia 776, when he left Intelligent Systems. He went on to found his own game studio, Tirnanog, who developed Tear Ring Saga.
The series debuted in the West with the seventh game The Blazing Blade in 2003, under the title Fire Emblem. According to the game's director, this was because of the international success of the similarly turn-based Advance Wars.[1] The inclusion of Marth and Roy in the 2001 fighting game Super Smash Bros. Melee as playable characters is also cited as a reason. Many games in the series sold well, although sales suffered a decline during the late 2000s. This resulted in the series' near-cancellation until the unprecedented critical and commercial success of Fire Emblem Awakening (2012). This success was built on by Fire Emblem: Three Houses (2019), the series' best-selling entry.
The series has been lauded for its gameplay and is frequently cited as the seminal series in the tactical role-playing genre, codifying various gameplay elements that would come to define the genre. Characters from across the series have been included in crossovers with other video game franchises, including the Super Smash Bros. series.
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  • ⏰Timestamps⏰ 00:00 Intro 00:45 Medeus 02:29 Gharnef 03:26 Duma 04:25 Rudolf 05:14 Jedah 05:25 Hardin 06:10 Arvis 07:37 Manfroy 08:05 Julius 08:26 Veld 08:46 Zephiel 09:57 Idunn 10:37 Nergal 12:58 Lyon 13:58 Ike 15:03 Zelgius 16:19 Sephiran 17:07 Validar 17:31 Grima 17:45 Gangrel 18:07 Walhart 18:36 Anankos 19:12 Berkut 20:33 Nemesis 21:07 Rhea 21:37 Thales 21:43 Edelgard 22:33 Sombron 23:12 Outro

    @Mangs1337@Mangs133726 күн бұрын
    • you accidentally replaced ashnard with ike in the timestamp

      @emperortoho@emperortoho26 күн бұрын
    • Ike the villain D:

      @ExcieXC@ExcieXC26 күн бұрын
    • Great video, but where's Andaron Saga?

      @nessdbest8708@nessdbest870826 күн бұрын
    • ​​@@nessdbest8708 I hope Mangs will do one for that game too.

      @jeromeheramis2932@jeromeheramis293225 күн бұрын
    • @@jeromeheramis2932 Same

      @nessdbest8708@nessdbest870825 күн бұрын
  • I would've personally just split "Very Sympathetic" into "Victim" and "Dragon Dementia Sucks"

    @researchinbreeder@researchinbreeder25 күн бұрын
  • Anankos did nothing wrong and is easily the most sympathetic of them all, i too would go insane if i was forced to hear azuras singing for all of eternity.

    @oof5992@oof599226 күн бұрын
    • Anankos not only he bacame Mad but split his Spirit apart and recruit Heroes from another time to help Corrin finish him. Also he killed his best friend. "Why I am the One to surfer, why I am the One left to die?"

      @stefanoandreani2562@stefanoandreani256225 күн бұрын
    • Definitely, although Anankos made a big 🤡 mistake with not taking off with his buddies when they left, but I don't remember what the reason was for Anankos staying

      @The_B_Button@The_B_Button21 күн бұрын
    • I think he got killed but I can't entirely remember either​@@The_B_Button

      @cameron9484@cameron948410 күн бұрын
  • Ah yes my favorite FE antagonist, Ike

    @RuneTacticss@RuneTacticss26 күн бұрын
    • Nah, biggest antagonist in FE is definitely RNG

      @lsrrr3857@lsrrr385726 күн бұрын
    • I still love making (almost but not really) jokes about how Ike is just an anti-human racist who blames humans for being racist but is nice to Soren and Laguz when they're racist. I guess it's okay to be racist when they're your friends/you wish you had claws like them???? Also the fact that at the end of FE10 he just leaves everyone and everything, including his own sister, who begged him not to leave her like their father did when he was killed. Absolute scumbag who only cares about the people he wants to make out with, and I'd definitely put him in an antagonist spot just to make people REEEEEEE.

      @charlettmoon2693@charlettmoon269325 күн бұрын
    • I thought I was stumbling into some DEEP lore about Ashnard being an alternate-timeline Ike or something when I saw that in the chapter list 😅

      @TheZackofSpades@TheZackofSpades25 күн бұрын
    • ​@@lsrrr3857 Stupid RNG always screwing our tactics, our plans, always there to watch over and to troll us, curse you bad RNG.

      @jeromeheramis2932@jeromeheramis293225 күн бұрын
    • @@charlettmoon2693 To be fair, the Laguz kinda had a point, so Ike siding with them makes sense. And from my knowledge, they were racist to the scumbags that led Begnion. The thing about him leaving though...... Yeah that was an oversight by the writers for sure.

      @lv4715@lv471512 күн бұрын
  • Calling Walhart “Walmart” will never not be funny.

    @GerudoKing_@GerudoKing_26 күн бұрын
    • Agreed

      @OmniMon94@OmniMon9425 күн бұрын
  • so fire emblem is about defeating old people with dementia

    @JordiumZ@JordiumZ25 күн бұрын
    • Old people are scary when they go off their meds.

      @ElvenRaptor@ElvenRaptor25 күн бұрын
    • how many times do we have to teach you this lesson old man the series

      @user-pf1kk7zc2n@user-pf1kk7zc2n23 күн бұрын
    • My favorite comment thread in this video, yes this is the essense of fire emblem. Senile boomer with all their accumulated wealth takes arms against the youngins.

      @tutorialboss4090@tutorialboss409017 күн бұрын
  • The only reason Lyon lost his soul is because he was envious and horny. 100% most relatable antagonist in the series

    @loserlw337@loserlw33725 күн бұрын
    • Erika simps will definitely relate

      @nekonomicon2983@nekonomicon298325 күн бұрын
    • Dude also had huge shoes to fill with his dad dying and his empire left to him added with him and his low self-esteem issues. So yeah. Can relate.

      @ZX-Gear@ZX-Gear25 күн бұрын
    • I mean he apparently lost to 4 strenght E rank sword eirika in a spar match if I remember correctly, so when you're that much of a twink I kinda get the whole insecurity thing

      @pandabanaan9208@pandabanaan920825 күн бұрын
    • so basically, if grado had a therapist then the plot of sacred stones would never have happened

      @Underworlder5@Underworlder525 күн бұрын
    • @@Underworlder5 I'm convinced therapists don't exist in the fire emblem universe

      @pandabanaan9208@pandabanaan920825 күн бұрын
  • Sombron: His ring! His precious power ring! Gone forever!!! RHEEEEE!!!

    @whichDude@whichDude26 күн бұрын
    • MYYYYY PRRRREEEEECIOUUUUUUUUSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!

      @DreadlordZolias@DreadlordZolias26 күн бұрын
    • well evil doofenshmirtz lost his toy train

      @cladius3216@cladius321625 күн бұрын
    • ​@@cladius3216played for comedy not tragedy

      @ethanreddy6551@ethanreddy655123 күн бұрын
    • That's why engage sucked and never do so well, it's forgotten compared to 3H. I'm an Engage hater and stand by it proudly

      @ethanreddy6551@ethanreddy655123 күн бұрын
    • Until we got his motivation I thought he was a good villain 😅

      @andrewshearsby8125@andrewshearsby812523 күн бұрын
  • Mangs when talking about Edelgard: Oh my, I feel like I could probably do an entire video on her EDELGARD SPOTLIGHT WHEN???

    @abcisawesome3418@abcisawesome341826 күн бұрын
    • IIRC she was supposed to be the first TH character to get one…

      @karasu__tenshi@karasu__tenshi25 күн бұрын
    • It's been a lot of time since one. I think livestreams are just more profitable right now.

      @raho500@raho50025 күн бұрын
    • Honestly Idk if I want an Edelgard video from the KZheadr who placed her into the entirely unsympathetic category LMAO

      @CritAlps@CritAlps25 күн бұрын
    • @@CritAlps fair enough lol, I thought she was gonna be next tier up because he put the genocidal Zephiel up there

      @abcisawesome3418@abcisawesome341825 күн бұрын
  • The most unsympathetic antagonist in the FE franchise is the fan base. God forbid for you to say anything good, or bad, about any game in the series

    @neintimesthegeek1337@neintimesthegeek133725 күн бұрын
    • The Megaten Fandom:You poor baby.

      @ZX-Gear@ZX-Gear25 күн бұрын
    • The true fe villain was the toxic fans who joined along the way

      @pandabanaan9208@pandabanaan920825 күн бұрын
    • It's more of a madness than an antagonist, IMO -it has no real goals or objectives, just a mass of heads reeling

      @MultiKarmacharger@MultiKarmacharger25 күн бұрын
    • @@MultiKarmacharger in other words the fe fan base is the remire village calamity

      @pandabanaan9208@pandabanaan920825 күн бұрын
  • My favorite antagonist is the pirate captain guy in FE7 that escorts you to the dread isle, because i spent a long fucking time trying to beat him only to find out it gives you a game over if you do. In my defense, he stated he likes a good fight. He's just a sore loser who dies when he's killed.

    @SpookSkellington@SpookSkellington26 күн бұрын
    • Fargus.

      @3verlong@3verlong25 күн бұрын
    • "He's just a sore loser who dies when he's killed" should not have cracked me up as much as it did

      @calzone7961@calzone796125 күн бұрын
    • @@calzone7961 same here🤣

      @benjaminstorace6699@benjaminstorace669925 күн бұрын
    • Shirou Emiya:People DIE when they are killed!!!!

      @ZX-Gear@ZX-Gear25 күн бұрын
    • Found the mooncalf

      @anathema064@anathema06423 күн бұрын
  • Self proclaimed #1 Jugdral enjoyer doesn't even mention Raydrik and Travant smh

    @Abundy@Abundy26 күн бұрын
    • the scence when travant give his son the gungir bc he knew a new ruler could chose a new path and he is going to face leif and die is pure cinema

      @matiastorres2553@matiastorres255325 күн бұрын
    • They stank But at least someone remembered them right Veld???

      @Ephraim225@Ephraim22524 күн бұрын
  • Zephiel may be evil, but you've got to appreciate his commitment. When he wants so wipe out humanity, he is included. When he is defeated, he stalls so that Idunn can continue the genocide.

    @randomguy6680@randomguy668026 күн бұрын
  • I'd call Conquest Garon, Hans and Iago very sympathetic because they constantly make me crack up while reading Fates story which is a lot more than I can say about almost any other villain.

    @acekun6493@acekun649326 күн бұрын
    • Hans is Buggi if Buggi had 0 charm and was 100% Based

      @chillstoneblakeblast3172@chillstoneblakeblast317226 күн бұрын
    • Hans is so based he kills Lillith twice and commits war crimes on a daily basis

      @AzumarillConGafasBv@AzumarillConGafasBv21 күн бұрын
    • I'd argue Hans is irredeemably unsympathetic for me, since we flat out know he was a criminal in his past who was incarcerated for his crimes, and even after being given a second chance in joining the military, he never quit being a criminal and upgraded to war crimes instead, as well as disobeying his superiors on the regular. He really only gets away with it because Garon was already gone by then, replaced by the puppet Anankos put in his place, but the old Garon we hear about would've definitely put a stop to him very fast. Iago, on the other hand, comes across as somewhat unsympathetic to me. He really seems like someone who was super loyal to Garon and let that loyalty blind him to the point that, once Garon was replaced by Anankos' puppet, he had no problems continuing to do what Garon asked, even as those demands became cruel and evil. So naturally, he'd plan to ruin Corrin's day if Garon asked, and was correct (from his viewpoint of Garon still being there even though we know Garon was gone) to lash out against the siblings for their apparent betrayal. We never got to see the real King Garon. From what we know of him through supports and other such things, it seems that he would perhaps be a more sympathetic figure. A gentle father who just could not bring himself to leave all the women he loved, inadvertently, causing the death of a lot of them. I wonder when he died exactly? That would be interesting to figure out, since he is clearly a puppet by the time we first meet him in Fates.

      @bentowers3614@bentowers36147 күн бұрын
  • Why did Ashnard do it? Because why not And he is super buff Truly compelling villain i love him

    @stuckinabucket6873@stuckinabucket687326 күн бұрын
    • Ashnard is the evil version of the Gigachad.

      @grandarkfang_1482@grandarkfang_148226 күн бұрын
    • Not to mention he had a child with a manakete to potentially create a strong human-dragon hybrid, then instead uses the child as blackmail to force another manakete to be his mount. Truly hardcore!

      @jooglebob@jooglebob26 күн бұрын
    • ​@@grandarkfang_1482All gigachads are evil

      @thekiss2083@thekiss208326 күн бұрын
    • ​@@grandarkfang_1482 Negachad

      @dustinjones7458@dustinjones745825 күн бұрын
    • sometimes I just mix Ashnard and Senator Armstrong. I dunno why, but they have a similar vibe in my head.

      @avaliantsoul5408@avaliantsoul540825 күн бұрын
  • They really need to find a cure for dragon demenntia, could've prevented a lot of conflicts

    @pandabanaan9208@pandabanaan920825 күн бұрын
  • I’m actually one of the few people who has a soft spot for Rhea. Sure, her hoping Byleth would become the key in getting her mother back is questionable, but regarding her placing Sothis’s crest stone in Byleth as a baby, what other option did she have? Had she not done that, Byleth would’ve died right then and there. Really, her bigger blunder there was simply not being more upfront with Jeralt about what happened. Obviously telling him the full truth would involve divulging knowledge tying to the Nabateans, which she naturally doesn’t wanna risk. But even simply telling him she had to use a forgotten ritual or something like that at Sitri’s behest, or something along those lines, that would’ve likely been the wiser course of action than just dismissing any notion something happened altogether.

    @blueshadeseraphim6926@blueshadeseraphim692625 күн бұрын
    • This and the fact that she survived the genocide of her own people

      @dragoonprime9829@dragoonprime9829Күн бұрын
  • For Rhea she also witnessed the genocide of her people too and in all honesty fodlan was doing pretty okay in the1k years she was in power

    @vao519@vao51922 күн бұрын
  • On the topic of bosses, I would say King Garon of Nohr. If I recall, he was originally a kind man and when it was revealed that an evil dragon was attempting to destroy Nohr and Hoshido, he tried to make an alliance with Hoshido but he ended up getting controlled and starting a war with Hoshido anyways.

    @ascrein5247@ascrein524726 күн бұрын
    • If only we saw that side of him, but nope. They could have done that în revelations where he could escape anankos's control and try to redeem himself by sacrificng his life for his children, but no.

      @mihaimercenarul7467@mihaimercenarul746726 күн бұрын
    • Yeah like if that was something we got to see or was properly explained like have people talk about what he was like in the past it would make Norh a lot less obviously evil since then we would actually have to wonder if Garon is doing what he does for a good reason as a kind man who knows when to harden his heart for the good of his people would look like a monster to Hosido but to Norh a tragic king who is only doing what he has to

      @TrueBladeSoul@TrueBladeSoul26 күн бұрын
    • @@TrueBladeSoulAgreed. It was sadly only touched upon, based on memories of a few others, but only that, because Fates’s writers said F it... If it was properly explained/delved into, I can see him being much higher on the list.

      @carlospolk5033@carlospolk503325 күн бұрын
    • @@mihaimercenarul7467 something like that could have worked when he was dying but remember he was basically dead at this point only being animated and controlled by Anankos

      @theelectricgamer9889@theelectricgamer988925 күн бұрын
    • I mean, we never see that side of him, we just see Garon commiting war crimes and trying to kill everything that breathes

      @AzumarillConGafasBv@AzumarillConGafasBv21 күн бұрын
  • Fire emblem 7 isn't perfect story wise by any means, but one of the things I feel they got right was Nergal. He was such an interesting villain.

    @ramen1010@ramen101026 күн бұрын
    • Agree!

      @Mangs1337@Mangs133726 күн бұрын
    • all of the budget for FE7's story went to nergal and the black fang's backstory and as a result the rest was the tragedy we got XD

      @mobgabriel1767@mobgabriel176725 күн бұрын
  • I just wanna say the headcanon of Sombron being an Elitist and the emblem he was trying to find was Kaga makes him S tier (?)

    @iwantmoney3598@iwantmoney359826 күн бұрын
  • I always liked the story of Berkut because it's like a Shakespearian-style tragedy of a prince who gradually loses his grandeur and turns self-destructive trying to claw it back. Very edgy, very interesting.

    @ASMRDoodlez@ASMRDoodlez25 күн бұрын
    • Berkut was how I got to know of Ian Sinclair.

      @ZX-Gear@ZX-Gear25 күн бұрын
  • To be fair Rhea got consent before she put Sothis into Byleth.

    @goroadachi9489@goroadachi948926 күн бұрын
    • For byleth maybe but for the previous subjects that consent is very suspicious, like when you remember the power dynamic it is very disturbing, knowingly or not rhea is exploiting her position as the archbishop to make her faithfull followers go along with her experiments

      @pandabanaan9208@pandabanaan920825 күн бұрын
    • ​@pandabanaan9208 They were homunculi they were never human to begin with. Rhea created artificial humans/Nabateans and then adopted and raised as her own children. There wasn't any human experimentation.

      @brightlight8852@brightlight885225 күн бұрын
    • @@pandabanaan9208 You mean the hominculi she created for one specific purpose? Something like that isn’t exactly immoral considering that she makes them herself.

      @goroadachi9489@goroadachi948925 күн бұрын
    • You consent. She consents. Isn't there someone you forgot to ask? Sothis.jpg

      @NeoNintendo@NeoNintendo25 күн бұрын
    • @@brightlight8852 and that isn't messed up why, sitri seemed pretty human to me and jeralt and aelfric, so even if they are humonculi then all that changes is rhea is creating living beings purely for the goal of solving her mommy issues, rhea is a complex character and not evil but there is no justification for this type of experimentation regardless if they were her followers or creations because either way she is exploiting a power dynamic of someone who would do anything for her

      @pandabanaan9208@pandabanaan920825 күн бұрын
  • I would like to add some context for Rudolph and Rhea. Rudolph rules a nation that is lacking in arable land. Rigel was suffering famine so he went to the sister kingdom of Zofia. King Zofia said " Ha! No" and continued to party and have unprotected sex with random women. Celica and her brother are his only surviving bastard children. Rudolph responded by finding the Falchion, killing Mila, then killing Zofia and his entire family. Rigel is raiding Zofia for resources. Rhea is very much like Medeus in that her people were massacred by Nemesis and his Elite. A lot of her more troubling actions make more sense with the understanding that her entire culture and race were destroyed, and she now has to live with the descendants of her oppressors. The same descendants that swing around the mutilated corpses of her kin and kill each other in droves. Edelgard additionally forces her out of her ancestral land in every route of Three houses.

    @hilgigas09@hilgigas0925 күн бұрын
  • Sombron is the most sympathetic villain ever guys!!!! He brainwashed his children and use them as soldier in a war to conquer the world because when he was a childeren some guy has stolen his candy and I don't really know actually but come on he gave us a 1 our monologue about his backstory out of nowere how can I don't sympathise with him. I was crying when I learn that he lost his best friend because somthing and then some other thing and then Kaga emblem. Truly the moment of my life

    @emils1615@emils161526 күн бұрын
    • Brainwashing children to meet with Kaga seems fitting, truly the best villain in all of FE.

      @Abundy@Abundy26 күн бұрын
    • underrated comment lol.

      @raho500@raho50025 күн бұрын
    • What peak fiction does to an mf:

      @Dennis_Ryan_Lynch@Dennis_Ryan_Lynch23 күн бұрын
    • Sombrom indeed is a villain from a Fire Emblem game

      @AzumarillConGafasBv@AzumarillConGafasBv21 күн бұрын
    • Sombron reminds me of fire emblem new mystery emblem where that dark wizard brainwashes that female bishop therefore brainwash clarrise

      @ladyriethegoldendelmo5441@ladyriethegoldendelmo544120 күн бұрын
  • I would argue Anankos does get some credit for taking steps to try and prepare the world to kill him after he goes mad, so that's a step above someone like Duma. Of course, there are no steps to go above, so he's in the right spot on the tier list, but just wanted to point that up.

    @the42ndgecko21@the42ndgecko2126 күн бұрын
  • 21:10 nemesis, I believe, was established either in the DLC or the GW route, was supposedly just some bandit guy that happened to work well as a figurehead for the Agarthans to prop up as their pawn of revenge against the Nabataeans. So he’s probably just a pawn doing it for power, but idk.

    @shadexvii3975@shadexvii397525 күн бұрын
  • Grima has some lore explored in post game shadows of valentia...and yes, fire emblem heroes. He basically hates humans because his creator betrayed him because forneus feared grimas power and sealed him away. Nothing spectacular but its something.

    @yacmoth770@yacmoth77026 күн бұрын
    • Bro really just had to prove him right didn't he.

      @tbc1880@tbc188026 күн бұрын
    • who plays Heroes

      @AzumarillConGafasBv@AzumarillConGafasBv21 күн бұрын
    • @@AzumarillConGafasBv masochists and people who like reading.

      @tbc1880@tbc188021 күн бұрын
  • Quick thing to note about Nemesis, Edelgard and Seiros. Nemesis is given a backstory. He is a thief who killed Rhea's mother Sothis due to the prodding of TWSITD, and then committed genocide on all the Nabateans (rhea's people), feeding their blood to his elite commanders and using their bones as weapons. So yes, he is entirely unsympathetic. Fun villain, though. Rhea's backstory is that her whole race, who just wanted to help humans, was wiped out thanks to Nemesis, with the exceptions of Seteth and Flayn. In addition to this, the reason why she put Sothis's heart in Byleth is because Byleth's mother Sitri was on the verge of death and this was the only way of saving his/her life. Still does some messed up things, mainly in the last chapter of crimson flower, and it is kind of messed up that she never explained this to Jerald, but I would still bump her up a tier, maybe even two if you really want to push it. I don't have much to disagree with on Edelgard, just wanted to add that all she really had to do if she wanted to change the system was talk to Dimitri and Claude, both of whom she got along with, and the gaslighting done in Crimson flower significantly hurt my love for the game. She has one of the most sympathetic backstories, but due to her actions, yeah, she still goes in the bottom tier. So to summarize, Rhea should have been in somewhat sympathetic while Nemesis and Edelgard move to/stay in Entirely Unsympathetic.

    @eliyahuoziel1775@eliyahuoziel177524 күн бұрын
    • Calling irredimable to Rhea or Edelgard while simpathysing with other villais on the franchise is ridiculous

      @endikaaspeurrutia1013@endikaaspeurrutia101322 күн бұрын
    • Oh yeah because I’m sure if Edelgard, Dimitri and Claude talked then the church, which is the most powerful faction on the continent, would just roll over. Also what makes you think Claude and Dimitri would agree with her, chances are if she reveals who she is it ends the same way for Dimitri since he still thinks that somehow Edelgard killed his family, so at best she has the leister alliance on her side but even then I reckon Claude would be way more likely to side with the church as he does before. Also are you really saying that Crimson Flower is trying to “gaslight” you into finding Edelgard sympathetic, where does it gaslight you exactly?

      @sonofpears4691@sonofpears469120 күн бұрын
    • @@sonofpears4691 First of all Church is NOWHERE near being "most powerfull faction". They don't even have conscripts nor it's united. Second when Empire dunked on their local branch Church, it did just rolled over. Rhea has zero influence in Empire ever since. Third I do agree that CF did not try gaslight anyone into finding Edelgard symphatetic. She is straighforwardly villain even in her own route and I think game was quite honest honest about it (well maybe except changing characterisation of such characters as Ferdinand, Caspar or Dorothea... I guess that counts?).

      @TheTenzen12@TheTenzen1210 күн бұрын
  • I think you put nemesis a bit too high. He and a group of his buddies wiped out all but a handful of people by raiding them in the night while they slept. That and they yoinked the bodies literally turning them into weapons and drinking their blood to roid up. Plus if im remembering right three houses implies that the sacred weapons are kind of alive? (Pls correct me if im wrong on that)

    @biscutelizabeth4764@biscutelizabeth476426 күн бұрын
    • They kinda are

      @Treasure_hunter_21@Treasure_hunter_2126 күн бұрын
  • FE7 dragon was chilling with his dragon friends when suddenly a portal opened and they were transported and another place. 😢

    @robotsturm6488@robotsturm648825 күн бұрын
  • There is a bit more to Lyon. He also saw the destruction of his country in a vision, and that is why he turned to the dark stone.

    @joshuabonesteel2303@joshuabonesteel230325 күн бұрын
  • I hope my boy lyon is rated highly

    @nohrianguy@nohrianguy26 күн бұрын
  • Wow a tier list that actually managed to hold my attention throughout the whole thing, congrats. For me personally I like Ashnard a lot. I think if they had fleshed him out a little more to show a man who longed to set things right and slowly became what we see in the games from all his bloodshed he could have been one of the greatest villains in the series. Anankos is peak, his reasonings and machinations will be revealed when he returns in Rev 2

    @Speedwinghere@Speedwinghere26 күн бұрын
    • Ashnard is Underrated and the Blood Contract ruined him. If the Blood contract did not exist, he would have been a much better villain

      @chillstoneblakeblast3172@chillstoneblakeblast317226 күн бұрын
    • @@chillstoneblakeblast3172 if the blood contract did not exist tellius might actually have the good story everyone claims it has

      @Speedwinghere@Speedwinghere26 күн бұрын
    • @@Speedwinghere Most people generally do not claim FE10 to have a good story, even with localization or extended script-changes. It was always about FE9 and the Blood Pact is very much something backwards-extended into the prior plot by the sequel.

      @lpfan4491@lpfan449125 күн бұрын
    • @@chillstoneblakeblast3172 dude if blood contract didnt exist. silver hair maiden we wouldnt fight her. think of without brain chips for clones. it would ahd changed very different

      @ladyriethegoldendelmo5441@ladyriethegoldendelmo544118 күн бұрын
  • your scripted videos are some of your best content.

    @villainglasses3051@villainglasses305126 күн бұрын
    • Thanks!

      @Mangs1337@Mangs133726 күн бұрын
    • @@Mangs1337 be honest this whole vid came from the wah wah (insert trivial problem here)

      @TeamGenerator@TeamGenerator26 күн бұрын
  • I would put Rhea and Edelgard in the "Somewhat Sympathetic" tier, simply because both of them have the capacity for both love and compassion, but they take extreme actions they feel they must in order to preserve the world. Depending on the path and ending, both Rhea and Edelgard are perfectly willing to step down and leave the future of the world in someone elses hands. Rhea leaves the church to Byleth, and Edelgard honors her own system, and actually steps down as emperor for someone more "worthy" in some cases. It's of course very dependent on what path you look at, but even at their worst, i would say that Rhea would be the one who should be lowest on the list. So the fact that they can both show remorse, loyalty, honor and even love towards Byleth and others, make it seem unfair to paint them as irredeemable or unsympathetic...

    @skynet0912@skynet091225 күн бұрын
  • To add to medeus' hatred, the founder of the kingdom of archanea, ardrah, removed the star spheres from the binding shield to sell for money, weakening the seal and making the earth dragons go crazy. He then used the money to sweep across the continent and start his kingdom, and used the gemless shield as his nation's crest, the fire emblem. This was mentioned in fe3 book 2, not the remakes. Really, if someone caused the insanity of my people to make money (even if indirectly), I would be pissed.

    @freetoplayking7362@freetoplayking736225 күн бұрын
  • There are a few more important details that need to be noted about Sombron 1. His world had all of the Fell Dragons attempt to rebel against the Divine Dragons of their time, resulting in his race being wiped out with the exception of Sombron, who was a child at the time. So instead they banished him to the Engage world, where they expected the Divine Dragons there to keep him in check 2. Sombron lived for years with only his Emblem to keep him company. The Emblem spirit abandons Sombron the moment he finds someone willing to talk with him, which Sombron seems to interpret as the Emblem abandoning him for needing to rely on others. Alear theorizes that the Emblem left because they knew Sombron would be fine now that he had a companion. Sombron was not fine. 3. Sombron’s goal is to search for his original Emblem so that his only parental figure could be proud of how strong Sombron had become since he started working on his own, and is completely apathetic towards the Engage world and any others he might end up going through. He essentially tells Alear to buzz off since Sombron wasn’t going to do anything further to Alear’s world anyways

    @bgammax5842@bgammax584226 күн бұрын
    • So what you are saying is that Sombron is Toxic Masculinity personified. "Love and Kindness? Ew!! Thats for women and beta males. Nah, it's all about them gains!"

      @hilgigas09@hilgigas0925 күн бұрын
    • He's still a shitty character, even surpassing Anankos

      @AzumarillConGafasBv@AzumarillConGafasBv21 күн бұрын
    • @@AzumarillConGafasBv for sure yeah, committed like every war crime. Its just annoying to see him get dismissed like the Gharnefs when he’s not a “literally exists to be evil” character

      @bgammax5842@bgammax584221 күн бұрын
  • Honestly you should have put the Begnion Senators on the list. They are basically responsible for everything bad that happens in Tellius. Thankfully that makes them easy to rank irredemably unsympathetic.

    @heyguysxd@heyguysxd26 күн бұрын
    • Yeah. They were the reason why Sephiran planned an all put genocide of the entire continent of Tellius by evoking Ashera's Wrath all cause nearly his entire people of Heron Lagus were wiped out over a misunderstanding THEY caused. Yeah. I would understand why Sephiran skipped the Magneto Stage and went full Apocalypse.

      @ZX-Gear@ZX-Gear25 күн бұрын
  • Zephiel and Ashnard are my favourite villains because they’re evil, they know they are and yet they are certain that they are doing the right thing.

    @voltron77@voltron7726 күн бұрын
    • Well said. They both are just pure bad ass

      @lspuria8440@lspuria844026 күн бұрын
    • The best villains are the ones who believe they're right

      @tyeus3673@tyeus367325 күн бұрын
    • Tbh, Zephiel is very selfconfirming. Roy goes to him saying "You are no better, you Hypocrite" and Zephiel just goes... "Yeah actually, that's true and kinda part of the whole idea. I am human, which is why I specifically do not want to rule, I only collect reign to pass it over later".

      @lpfan4491@lpfan449125 күн бұрын
    • ​@@lpfan4491makes him all the more based

      @kencritical8225@kencritical822524 күн бұрын
    • ​@@lpfan4491based af

      @AzumarillConGafasBv@AzumarillConGafasBv21 күн бұрын
  • i never knew how many gharnefs were in this game's history lmao this makes me appreciate the twist of idunn being a victim and zephiel being the main villain even more because without the context that you get at the end of the game she is basically set up to be another gharnef like character

    @mobgabriel1767@mobgabriel176725 күн бұрын
    • FE6 is very much a creative mirror of the Archanea games. Stuff like how the first chapter is a 90 degrees-turned version of FE1 chapter 1, but ends up playing a lot diffrently in practice. Or how both humans and dragons were major douchebags in both games' backstories, but Archanea focusses more on "The evil dragons! We must stahp them!", while FE6 parodies that direction at first, but ends up being more critical of the human side of the conflict in the end.

      @lpfan4491@lpfan449125 күн бұрын
    • @@lpfan4491 imagine if they make a awakening like game but for elibe in FE 19 then

      @mobgabriel1767@mobgabriel176725 күн бұрын
  • Personally I would move Nergal down a tier because his means to accomplishing his goals (Dark/Elder Magic) were already known as a corrupting force and he had people trying help him stop. As for Sephiran, I'm fine with where he is but am tempted to move him up a tier, since on top of the Serenes Massacre, he was also witness to the fall of Beorc and Laguz relationships, including species infighting, and the rise of trafficking. Like that's a lot of atrocities to witness in real time.

    @MysteryDisc@MysteryDisc26 күн бұрын
  • Thales speaks of his people having been driven underground by Rhea's people in the past, but then he also just attacks everyone in sight and became a 'I shall conquer the surface world!' villain, even abducting children to replace them with shapeshifters. I believe it's also implied that it was his people that murdered Sothis and most of her children, then made their bones into The Heroes' Relics. Hell, the Sword of the Creator is Sothis' own spine and the Crest Stone is her actual heart, which he then gave to a powerful Thief King called Nemesis to go kill her daughter Rhea with! I understand his motivation but his evil is way past redemption. Nemesis then also had the nickname King of Thieves besides King of Liberation, so he was already evil before he became the warlord killed by Seiros/Rhea, also irredeemable.

    @Waauugh@Waauugh26 күн бұрын
    • In the DLC a Slither book reveals that the reason for his beef with the Nabateans is because the Slithers want to perform genocide in all surface dwellers (they had already wiped out several civilizations by them) and Sothis (being a goddess of life) took offense to that.

      @brightlight8852@brightlight885225 күн бұрын
    • @@brightlight8852 Daaaaaayum. Okay, mega-deserved to be driven underground.

      @Waauugh@Waauugh25 күн бұрын
    • @@Waauugh This is incorrect, the book bright is referring to only states that the Agarthans began to fight with each other and attempted to overthrow Sothis resulting in the genocide of most of the civilization, thus implying that Agartha was the global power at that point. The desire to destroy all surface dwellers came afterwards as a result of them worshiping Sothis. I am not saying they didn't deserve what happened to them though, said book also references their "carnal nature" and proclivity towards violence.

      @Aleph3575@Aleph357524 күн бұрын
    • @@Aleph3575 Ooyyy, so there's no good true good sides then. OR, this is just speculation on my part, we can look at the Agarthan technology. Maybe it was damaging the world and Sothis came down and went "Bro, stop."

      @Waauugh@Waauugh24 күн бұрын
    • Isn't it implied that Nemesis was the one to kill Sothis? Or was it just Zanado?

      @kinga6347@kinga634723 күн бұрын
  • Man, after I've met Edelgard for the first time, she was destined to fit the dictator role. One that will do anything to achieve their goal, even teaming up with people who fucked you up. She 100% make go "But whyyyyy?!?!"

    @ItsAZues@ItsAZues24 күн бұрын
  • Thales wanted to commit mass genocide upon the children of the goddess as revenge for being forced underground, but considering what the dlc has shown me the underground is kinda neat so hes a dumbass. 2/10 killed by boulder

    @tyeus3673@tyeus367325 күн бұрын
  • It just dawned on me, Sombron is just Gollum but a dragon...and he takes it out on others lmao.

    @fromeggman@fromeggman25 күн бұрын
  • I'm glad to see my boy Lyon up in that tier. I played sacred stones for the first time when I was in 7th grade, I think. His story always made me feel so sad. I revisited recently as a 30 year old man and still feel the same way. And the way they do that flashback at the end of the game? I cry, dude.

    @link99055@link9905521 күн бұрын
  • Something I do not agree with you is the fact that you state that Rudolph sent Berkut to fight Alm, HOWEVER, Rudolph was always against the idea of letting him enter the battlefield in the first place, and every time Berkut ass got handed by Alm's army, Rudolph always told him to not fight Alm, other than that, the video is fine

    @AzumarillConGafasBv@AzumarillConGafasBv21 күн бұрын
  • Edelgard lost my sympathy when she sided with the people who ruined her life and brainwashed her in order to destroy the Church.

    @grandarkfang_1482@grandarkfang_148226 күн бұрын
    • Yeah it definitely feels like she went after the wrong target,if anything the church would have helped her destroy the agartgans,the church has issues but there’s a lot of way of going about fixing them ,also she tried to have the other 2 lords killed for no reason

      @pedroribeirodesousa9152@pedroribeirodesousa915226 күн бұрын
    • ​@@pedroribeirodesousa9152She wanted them killed so they wouldn't get in her way.

      @grandarkfang_1482@grandarkfang_148226 күн бұрын
    • My thoughts exactly

      @angelpearson696@angelpearson69626 күн бұрын
    • I understand why they wrote it that way but at the same time its the dumbest thing ever

      @Isaiahpgn@Isaiahpgn26 күн бұрын
    • The thing is, she didn’t exactly have the full picture so she got easily put in that situation. Claude was really the only one who pieced the entire puzzle together mostly because he had the most time and incentive to do so.

      @goroadachi9489@goroadachi948926 күн бұрын
  • Bruh. How are you gonna do Rhea dirty like that? Are we just going to ignore her people were massacred? Are we just going to ignore her people and her mom's remains were turned into WMDs? Are we just going to ignore the fact Nemesis worked with the people who had her people massacred with HER MOM'S REMAINS?! Are we just going to ignore that Rhea and Edelgard are perfect foils to one another? Are we going to ignore the fact that Rhea only put up the crest system and the 10 elites because politics forced her to? AND SHE GETS HIT WITH THE DRAGON DEMENTIA DEPENDING ON THE ROUTES YOU TAKE. This Rhea slander is wild. Literally every other villain that had a backstory got it told in detail. Rhea? "Her mom died, sucks to be her."

    @Demonboy007@Demonboy00722 күн бұрын
    • Meanwhile, they're all but too happy to side with Edelgard, who actively assists her family's murderers.

      @ElvenRaptor@ElvenRaptor20 күн бұрын
  • Mangs, there are several important villains you skimped out on: Where would you place Gheb, Glass, Batta the Beast, and Oliver? :p

    @3To3dSl0th@3To3dSl0th26 күн бұрын
    • And Kyza

      @raho500@raho50025 күн бұрын
  • Evil characters that are evil because they're evil are built differently

    @karmadoggo4224@karmadoggo422426 күн бұрын
    • This post was approved by Ashnard enjoyers.

      @grandarkfang_1482@grandarkfang_148226 күн бұрын
    • IZUKA MENTIONED 🗣🗣

      @solomonpnq@solomonpnq26 күн бұрын
    • I hope Engage is the last "let me tell you about my tragic childhood for the next 27 minutes" villain we get for a while

      @thekiss2083@thekiss208326 күн бұрын
    • GARON MENTIONED 🗣️🔥🔥 WHAT THE FUCK IS GOOD WRITING 🗣️🔥🔥🔥

      @AzumarillConGafasBv@AzumarillConGafasBv21 күн бұрын
  • I can't believe you didn't include Gharnef's "WHOA-HO!" from the OVA when talking about his backstory. You had one job, Mangs!

    @STIRRUPLEATHER@STIRRUPLEATHER21 күн бұрын
  • Lyon being very sympathetic is not right. Lyon literally goes Sicko mode just because he lost his Father and grado suffers earthquakes all the time(Which is very sad) does not justify throwing a nation's worth of army to their death just to try to resurrect a Dark God that easily 1v1 him. Also playing against Eirika's/Ephraim's psyche instead of trying to talk to them directly is also not OK. Lyon literally started a war over nothing because he wanted all the power and not wanted to win favors with diplomacy. I'll say that Somewhat unsympathetic is the most fitting because Lyon is a sympathetic villain, but his means are pure insanity, especially in the Ephraim Route.

    @chillstoneblakeblast3172@chillstoneblakeblast317226 күн бұрын
    • Eirika story > Ephraim story. Making Lyon into something that isn't sympathetic was a mistake.

      @lpfan4491@lpfan449126 күн бұрын
  • Rating the main villains from FEH (till book 7): Very sympathetic : Veronica, Fafnir Somewhat sympathetic : Gullveig, Freyja Somewhat unsympathetic : Embla Irredeemably unsympathetic : Surtr, Hel, Eitri

    @LCardosed92@LCardosed9225 күн бұрын
    • yea I say veronica is very sympathetic because she couldnt control her blood until way later. gullveig because well she was controlled and well... for embla... embla became evil due to jealously... freyja I do feel bad for her because she has loyal followers like plumeria. I dont know whats freyja reason why she attacks humans. I think Surtr probally ties in evil when compare to ashnard, the dark wizard new mystery emblem, and begion senator

      @ladyriethegoldendelmo5441@ladyriethegoldendelmo544120 күн бұрын
  • I think Jedah should go in the somewhat unsympathetic tier; his motivation is his misguided belief that if Duma goes mad, Rigel is completely screwed (very similar to how celica views the disappearance of Mila).

    @irlShively@irlShively25 күн бұрын
  • Lyon just got used by the demon king as a vessel, and that's the part that sucks

    @whiskey_barrel115@whiskey_barrel11526 күн бұрын
  • Nergal and Lyon are like Darth Vader, what makes them the same is they try to accumulate power even if the source of that power is questionable in order to save what they value and love the most but accumulating so much power corrupted them as that what always happens for seeking to be more powerful, they always fall to the dark side, as cliche as it sounds "Absolute power corrupts" just like what Batman said. Such tragic characters makes interesting villains. You know they've fallen evil but you also understand why they did what they have done. Edit: I saw one of the comments suggesting that Valter should also be here too since he too is also a Victim that turned him into look like an irredeemable prick.

    @jeromeheramis2932@jeromeheramis293225 күн бұрын
  • Sombron doesn't care about the world. He just wants to find his friend. Still an irredeemable scumbag but he is specifically not on a world ending plot. He would've been happy to ditch the main character's world after he fucked it up in order to leave.

    @deadlypandaghost@deadlypandaghost25 күн бұрын
  • To be fair, Rhea's story is more about "reviving her mother", is about watching ALL of your kind slaughter after living harm harmoniously with the humans, not only that, watching *SPOILER* many of their remaining turn into weapons (bones into the weapons and hearts and blood into the crest stone. Rhea is only trying to revive her mother because she is literally a god, and by doing so Rhea also hope to revive all of her kind that was brutally murdered. About "using other people's baby for her own scheme", when Byleth was born, he was missing a heart, it only then did Sitri (his mom) beg Rhea to put the crest stone inside her (Sothis crest stone) to save the child, if Rhea refuses Byleth would just die, so I wouldn't say this is a selfish action. After seeing Byleth when he is grown, all she did was observe him and try to remind him memories of Sothis to see if Byleth has any of it, she did not experiment on him in any way. Sure you can see her being pretty violent and brutal if you side with Edelgard, but if you see the child you expect to revive your mother sides with the people you swear to destroy aka Those Who Slither In Ther Dark wouldn't your blood boil? Also if you play Verdant Wind/Silver Snow route, you can actually see Rhea slowly realizing her mistake, making artificial life, changing history to conceal the truth, ... And if you S rank support her it goes a little beyond that but to each their own. To sum it up, Rhea story was about watching your kind being murdered and their remains being used for war, so she was trying to revive them, that's basically it.

    @yukitono5633@yukitono563310 күн бұрын
  • I think that Jedah is more like a reflection of Celica and her overreliance in her godess.

    @calamitoso0066@calamitoso006626 күн бұрын
  • I actually disagree on Jedah's placement, even through he's clearly a villain, his motivations aren't simply "haha I'm evil because yes", his devotion to Duma is more out of fear, as you can see from the convo he and Alm & Celica have before the final fight, Jedah would rather keep Duma alive even through he's gone fully mad because he can't imagine a world where mankind can live without the aid of gods, so even through he goes absolutely the wrong way about it, he's just a man that's too scared to live without a higher being watching over him, or at least, that was always my analysis of him.

    @Dew8Dew@Dew8Dew26 күн бұрын
    • Yeah he is meant to be the foil to Celica who believes everything will be fine as long as they have Mila's blessing. She eventually accepts that the time of the two gods' is over while Jedah never did.

      @boredomkiller99@boredomkiller9925 күн бұрын
  • Damn good watch, thanks Mr. Eggman!

    @bonrulapaugh7164@bonrulapaugh716426 күн бұрын
  • As a content creator who has done a vid on this topic before this was a great watch to see a different opinion!!! Fantastic job, love this type of content! Edit: about Gharnef, they actually touch upon the darksphere and him and how it’s darkness took a hold in such a manner that he was even capable of surviving without corporeal form due to the influence of it. Now WHY he always bad is a mystery, but the amplification was proveniente from the sphere, which I think is cool little tidbit of lore.

    @fireembros1165@fireembros116526 күн бұрын
  • I think for me, one of the most “compelling” parts of Nergal is how hard you, the player, need to work to unearth his story. The conditions on finding his plot are so finite…so almost impossible to uncover without a guide…that it makes me more sympathetic. For some reason. Regardless, I think he’s well placed here.

    @TheZackofSpades@TheZackofSpades25 күн бұрын
  • I thought this was an insightful, well thought out, and concise overview of every villain 🎉

    @ManaNek@ManaNek24 күн бұрын
  • Iirc, sombron was exiled and brought over an Emblem Ring, he lost that Emblem Ring after supposedly connecting with some in Elyos, gone emo, built an army and trusted nobody to get emblem ring powers, then travel to other worlds to find said ring. Doesnt change his rating tho lol.

    @nosefera2@nosefera226 күн бұрын
    • "Built and army and trusted nobody". Nice.

      @lpfan4491@lpfan449126 күн бұрын
    • What happened to Dorcas

      @AzumarillConGafasBv@AzumarillConGafasBv21 күн бұрын
  • I may be making a very far-fetched statement but.. I think there was a reason why Zelgius killed Greil. We know that Zelgius isn't the type of man to unnecessarily kill people and he is also very calculating. If he killed for the sake of competition then he might have killed Skirmir, a Powerful lion laguz and proved his strength. But killing Skirmir would demolish his original intents of peace talk. Like I said very calculating. He also took many abuses from Begnion Senators without retaliating. He even accepted execution for upholding his honour. I am pretty sure when he met Ike he must have realised his potential. In fact, Ike could be the only one to thwart Ashnard's and Sephiran's mad plans. Maybe, in all his disguise, he planned to have Sephiran's plan thwarted. I'm saying this because it would've been impossible for Ike to become this strong if his father wasn't slaughtered..He gave Ike this motivation. I do not deny that he wanted to groom him into his father's equal but he may have done this because he already calculated the possibility that Ike may be the only one who can save world from destruction. Even if Zelgius didn't assist Sephiran, he would've still succeeded into awakening Ashera. But because of how loyal Zelgius is to Sephiran he found an indirect path to foil his plans without actually confronting his master. This could be possible because of how much Zelgius looked up to Greil. And he believed that Ike is the only one who can surpass Greil and be the one to save the world.

    @Harbringer443@Harbringer44326 күн бұрын
  • 5:25 In defence of Judah, there is a line in Echoes where Judah gives the impression that they believe it is impossible for humans to not live under a Dragon’s authority. An insane dragon is bad but if you believe no dragon means humans go bye-bye, I can see the logic of sticking with the insane dragon.

    @Ubersupersloth@Ubersupersloth25 күн бұрын
  • I love the lore videos Mangs! Some of my favorites you’ve ever done, happy to see another one

    @portalguy2246@portalguy224625 күн бұрын
    • Although you did miss Raydrik from 776, dunno if there’s too much to say about him but I did find his absence somewhat strange

      @portalguy2246@portalguy224625 күн бұрын
  • posting before someone gets upset that Dimitri isn't listed here at all.

    @hadoukenfighter@hadoukenfighter26 күн бұрын
  • Man I love the lore in this series and the questions it asks

    @kevinsaga3525@kevinsaga352525 күн бұрын
  • Lyon is an interesting case. in one route. he is completely taken over by the demon king. in the other. he let the demon king corrupt him but stayed in control. Making him a bit harder to judge. Also. it was not just him losing his dad but he also found out most of Grado would be destroyed by natural disaster if he didn't do anything. Berkut... he truly was tossed under the bus by his uncle and pretty much just lost his mind in the end when he thought Rinea turned against him. Does not excuse him killing Rinea but still. As for Nergal. He left his kids behind and instructed them to use the dragons gate if he did not come back in time from saving his wife. Needless to say. he failed to save his wife and came back too late for his kids. Later. after meeting Athos and learning how to steal quintessence from knowledge in Arcadia to save him kids. He just went too far and was struck down and banished. Soon after. dark magic completely corrupted him. One can argue how much was his own doing and how much was the dark magic. Especially his actions in Arcadia. maybe Eremiya from FE12 and Raydrik from FE5 should have been on the list too..

    @makohidari4723@makohidari472326 күн бұрын
    • Eremiya is kinda unratable for all intends and purposes. Like, do we rate the original Eremiya or the one we fight in the story? One is the sweetest woman ever but got overwritten by brainwashing only to be briefly restored later to be taunted and the other may as well be an AI programmed to only know to be horrible because she is a brainwashing-induced rewrite by Gharnef. There is really no meaningful conversation to be had, one version of her is in very sympathetic by default and the other in irredeemably unsympathetic by default, and neither is anyone's fault except the evil wizard who is so unsympathetic that he needs a new tier at this point.

      @lpfan4491@lpfan449126 күн бұрын
    • Was he really in control though? It's very possible that he was being manipulated in Ephram's route, in other words he was basically a puppet to the Demon King and doing his bidding while believing that he wasn't. Imagine not truly being in control of your own actions while thinking that you are, the thought of that is horrifying.

      @AceAviations2@AceAviations226 күн бұрын
    • @@AceAviations2 Ephraim route definitly muddies the waters and tbh, that's not really a good thing.

      @lpfan4491@lpfan449126 күн бұрын
    • @@lpfan4491 honestly I think ephraim's route inherently makes lyon so much more interesting, instead of the way too overused innocent possessed victim storyline they actually made lyon have some agency and be partially in control, he is essentially trying to overthrow the demon king just so he can look more impressive to ephraim wich is a dynamic that's very unique for the possessed villain trope, very few times does the possessed character actually get to rebel against his possesser and even fewer do we see the possessed try to out villain the ancient evil villain, to this day lyon is still one of the few examples of the possessed villain trope that actually tried to do something different and not follow the same overplayed story beat for beat

      @pandabanaan9208@pandabanaan920825 күн бұрын
    • @@pandabanaan9208 That would be cool. If they didn't pull a "nuh uh, he is not in control actually" at the 11th hour. Ephraim mode straught up does not know what to say, so it says muddied gibberish. Eirika's story is pretty stereotypical, but playing it straight allowed for them to craft something of quality. Being "unique" does not mean being good, it's like the plottwist idea of "You thought I was good? Nah, trolled" that is getting deployed way too much in recent years.

      @lpfan4491@lpfan449125 күн бұрын
  • Love when you make these analysis videos!!

    @Kiwimite@Kiwimite24 күн бұрын
  • As a mental health professional, I would say that the trauma experienced by Zephiel and Edelgard are vastly underrated in their placements on the list. Yes, trauma doesn’t excuse their actions but the tiers are measured in degrees of sympathy, not justification. First, with Zephiel, his father tried to have him killed on multiple occasions. With the last attempt, there is a detail that you don’t mention that makes Zephiel’s descent to madness a bit ironic. Despite his father being absolutely terrible as a father and the man himself implies he’s nothing special to look up to, Zephiel does because he is his father. In the moment where he is poisoned, Zephiel goes into it extremely hopeful that he has finally gained the respect of his father despite having no reason to believe as such. That is why his father’s betrayal is so hurtful. Zephiel had so much hope that the betrayal of said hope had such the extreme effect it had on him. On top of this he had to kill his father or risk yet another attempt on his own life which just further compounds his trauma. Next, with Edelgard, she literally witnesses her 10 siblings all die horrific deaths in front of her on top of the cruel experimentation done on her. She was taken as a political prisoner by the other nobles in the insurrection of the seven as well, which is what allowed the experimentation to take place. This is on top of everything else that is just messed up in Fodlan, take Hannemann as a good example of the horrors of the Crest system. You’re sympathetic towards characters like Lyon and Julius because they had no control over being possessed. Zephiel and Edelgard had no control over their circumstances either. Lyon and Julius were released from their pain since they lost themselves. Zephyrs and Edelgard had to live with their pain up until their respective deaths. Yes, these are all just video game characters at the end of the day, however, I was compelled to write this because of the very real issue mental health can be and how this is something we can all benefit from being more mindful of.

    @Zacariah24-uw1ox@Zacariah24-uw1ox25 күн бұрын
    • While tier lists are obviously based on opinion (literally the whole point), I also got frustrated a bit with how much Egg switched between sympathy and justification villain by villain.

      @avaliantsoul5408@avaliantsoul540825 күн бұрын
    • That's wrong they did have control over their circumstances and they chose to do bad things.

      @brightlight8852@brightlight885225 күн бұрын
    • @@brightlight8852 By that argument, Lyon should also be viewed as unsympathetic because he choose to try and bring his father back to life rather than embrace ruling Grado himself when Vigarde died which is what led to his possession.

      @Aleph3575@Aleph357524 күн бұрын
    • @Aleph3575 Well yeah, ultimately Leon had a choice and he made the wrong one it's not wrong to hold it against someone for making the wrong choice when they weren't forced to do it.

      @brightlight8852@brightlight885224 күн бұрын
    • real

      @fufzooz@fufzooz22 күн бұрын
  • I thought this was a Heroes Video with that thumbnail. "They're Grand Hero Battles give them a break...except for Edelgard."

    @JustCrazyDK@JustCrazyDK26 күн бұрын
  • the main antagonists are the early game bandits.

    @tobiz1922@tobiz192226 күн бұрын
  • Personally, I would move Nemesis down a tier because just like the Gharnef archetypes, not knowing their motives does not excuse them. I would also move Edelgard and Zelgius up a tier. Zelgius because aside of his interactions with Greil and his family, he has conducted himself honorably on multiple occasions. An honorable person with an inexcusable motive goes into 'somewhat unsympathetic' for me. As for Edelgard, she falls into the 'relatable motive, bad methods' category, which would also be a case of 'somewhat unsympathetic'.

    @kippies66@kippies6626 күн бұрын
    • Edelgard also had very little choice. She has a couple years at most left to live thanks to her dual crests and would have been a powerless puppet emperor like her father helplessly watching her kids torment like he did had she not purged her court which would have already grabbed the church’s attention.

      @firenze6478@firenze647825 күн бұрын
  • Happy egg talking about villains, made my day 😂

    @alexcanev7398@alexcanev739820 күн бұрын
  • Here's the thing. Some speculate that the emblem Sombron lost is Sommie, since Sommie appears on an emblem pedestal. If true, then all of his actions are understandable and 100% justifiable. Who wouldn't wage war against the world if that little guy left your side without notice.

    @canadadry5449@canadadry544910 күн бұрын
  • I actually have a theory as to why dragons degenerate over time. I think what's happening is that dragons are SO powerful that a physical body is actually incapable of containing all that power so then their physical bodies deteriorate over time. However when dragons become spirits or find some way to supress or contain their power such as through the use of a conduit like a dragon stone they seem to be fine. Just a theory though.

    @jcly96@jcly9625 күн бұрын
    • Nice one! Naga and Tiki are the perfect examples of overcoming that problem by becoming spirits or going to sleep so they can't deteriorate

      @fufzooz@fufzooz22 күн бұрын
  • "Birthrates started plummeting and his fellow dragons went insane." *modern day intensifies*

    @ASMRDoodlez@ASMRDoodlez25 күн бұрын
  • lekain also deserves to be on the list. he is arguably the main villain despite sephiran being the puppet master in the end but the former is the reason for the latter's descent into madness.

    @chaosprime1629@chaosprime162910 күн бұрын
  • I disagree on Zelgius. He may be a dick for killing Greil and forcing Ike to become the succesor of Greil, but he was also the driving force behind Ike becoming the man he is at the end of Path of Radiance and Radiant Dawn. I also think that he actually cared a lot about Ike because he knew what happened to his mom and Greil's madness. This is important because he could have easily told him about it to have Ike tip over the edge, but instead he decided to taunt him in other ways and guide him by his mere looming presenece. It should also be considered that without Zelgius returning in RD, Ike had a reason to become stronger again which in turn led to him literally killing god. I still don't think that he should be placed any higher than "Somewhat Sympathetic" but I do believe that he is the best "Rival" character they ever made.

    @Tizi1999@Tizi199925 күн бұрын
    • He was a good teacher. And a good friend.

      @ZX-Gear@ZX-Gear25 күн бұрын
  • I’m sorry but placing black knight, who spends his entire life as a tool of those taking advantage of his desire to belong, who is a fundamentally broken man who has been chewed up and spit out by society, who literally fought for 3 masters at the same time and still did not see himself as worthy of his success because he was not able to best his teacher (and he was right, Gawain would’ve dogwalked him if he hadn’t crippled himself) is SO much more sympathetic than Sephiran, and saying “I get it, humans kinda suck” is a lame answer. Zelgius is no dipherent in morality than zephiel, but almost all of his actions are at the whim of others

    @a.e.5923@a.e.592326 күн бұрын
  • It may not be cannon from the games but the fe4 manga by osawa shines so much more light on the villains and makes them all much better characters especialy Travant. If anyone has time to spare I highly recommend it since it recently finnished translating

    @yucca5458@yucca545826 күн бұрын
  • 18:30 I pretty much feel bad for WalMart. Practically Alm's Heritage is just gone.

    @JustCrazyDK@JustCrazyDK26 күн бұрын
  • I agree with Arvis' placement. Some people are more sympathetic to him because later in life he learned the terrible mistakes he made, somewhat redeeming himself. But he was very much unsympathetic in his goals when he became Emperor where he was just a glorious bastard. Because we got to see him learn from his mistakes it makes him more sympathetic and frankly pulls him out of irredeemably sympathetical. His bsckstory isn't enough to make him more sympathetic, its actually his development after the fact. Zephiel is somewhat the opposite. He never redeems himself, we can just understand how he got to that point.

    @JaidynReiman@JaidynReiman15 күн бұрын
    • Lol @ Edelgard. I don't like her, I think her plan is absolutely terrible and her means of doing so are even worse. That said even I would put her in "Somewhat Unsympathetic" lol. I can at least understand she became completely broken and is being manipulated by the true villains. Nemesis I think does fall into Irredeemable. What little we know of him proves he is.

      @JaidynReiman@JaidynReiman15 күн бұрын
  • Honestly I agree with a lot of this list with most things being pretty minor, but the main differences for me are that I would put Sephiran up a tier as watching the genocide of your people is something that I could easily see why you’d want the world to end and while it isn’t excusable, especially since he can join you kind of, I think he at least deserves some sympathy. Then for Nemesis, I don’t know if I made this up or what, but I always assumed that he did what he did in response to oppression from the children of the goddess and the depiction we see is really just the church doing it’s thing, but I could be wrong. Then the big one for me is Edelgard. Not because what she did was right or made even a bit of sense siding with those who slither, but because you need to keep in mind she did this all when she was a child. She saw pretty much all of her family wiped out and was tortured herself and, being that she’s a child, only saw one way out which was to side with the smaller force that she thought she could take out afterwards. Well thought out? No. But I think she deserves at least some sympathy considering her situation.

    @themicrowaveableslayerofthots@themicrowaveableslayerofthots26 күн бұрын
  • for nergal i'd say very sympathetic because its got to be the dark magic's fault, he doesn't even remember his children, only his original goal of opening the gate, though the reason is forgotten and the why's, only Athos's friend at the game seemed to have mastered dark magic but became a mirror to any who are in front of him, he remained good and even helped revive Ninian saying he'll probably be dead soon too, reviving Ninian with no negative side effects probably took everything out of him, when people love too much and mess with the dark arts ya kinda can lose your mind as if possessed

    @yukimurasanada5209@yukimurasanada520926 күн бұрын
    • I remember listening to a video exploring Nergal's backstory and it was pointed out that Nergal and Brammimond are very good foils of each other. Both dark magic users, both lost themselves in that pursue. But Nergal kept his ego while everything else around him deteriorated, while Brammimond lost most of himself but kept somehow kept his sense of right and wrong. To put the nail int he coffin, Nergal never achieved his goal of reviving someone while Brammimond seemingly did at the cost of the rest of his life. It seems that truly mastering Dark magic means losing yourself, but Brammimond was the only one you could call a true master in the end.

      @Raharu95@Raharu9526 күн бұрын
    • @@Raharu95 I say playing FE7 makes you feel much more out of playing FE6, though not canon i didn't know at the time I got FE8 first then 7 then 6 on Emu so felt more from Hector passing and raising Lilina to wreck Bern and for Sue as well since I assumed she was Lyn's daughter and getting Athos's and Brammimond's tomes too

      @yukimurasanada5209@yukimurasanada520925 күн бұрын
    • @@Raharu95 IMO, the primary difference between the two is that Nergal didn't accomplish his goal. While we don't know a ton about Bramimond, he's one of the Eight legends, so his goal in mastering the Arts may have been to defend humanity against the dragons. Having accomplished that, he turned to simply defending his legendary tome, and the Seals on the other's tombs. Nergal doesn't strike me as being particularly driven by ego, or even possessing much ego. He doesn't really ever act particularly evil; he kills quickly for the purpose of gathering quintessence, and he doesn't ever get particularly nasty, just cold and driven. He is almost single-mindedly driven to resurrect/recreate his wife. I think the reason he tries to open the gate is his old connection to the dragons, and his hunt for quintessence, of which he would need a massive quantity in order to create and sustain a draconic morph. Also, I think Aenir was like, hella dead by the time he found her (assuming he did), whereas Ninian was more of in-the-process of dying when Bramimond revives her. So I'm not sure actual resurrection is a possibility in Elibe (which is also typical for fantasy settings, usually necromancy is the closest it gets). Basically, I think Nergal wasn't quite entirely soulless due to his extremely powerful grip on his goal, while Bramimond was which results in him literally mirroring whomever he is interacting with. To summarize, neither really exhibited much moral agency, which could be attributed to their mastery of the dark arts.

      @avaliantsoul5408@avaliantsoul540825 күн бұрын
    • @@avaliantsoul5408 nergal has never been shown to want to resurrect aenir. he gathered quintessence to open the dragons gate, not the other way around. specifically, he wanted to gather quintessence and open the dragons gate in order to reunite with his kids, but too much dabbling in dark magic made him forget why he wanted to open the dragons gate in the first place. so his insane, addled mind wants to do it to release the dragons and control them to conquer elibe

      @Underworlder5@Underworlder524 күн бұрын
  • I'm surprised Raydrik didn't make the cut. I know there's a lot I'm missing since I only brushed on a playthrough of Thracia, but being the twofold traitor would easily make him an unsympathetic character, being an opportunist with little regard for consequences.

    @vincentthelego7967@vincentthelego796725 күн бұрын
  • Sombron said his entire race was wiped out and he was exiled to another world with only an Emblem as his companion as a child. Then he lost his Emblem and now is trying to gather enough power to travel the multiverse to find his Emblem again. While it might does not change his ranking, it is unfair to say he went evil because "he lost his jewelry".

    @kinglionheart50@kinglionheart5021 күн бұрын
  • I think you oversimplified rheas motivation significantly. It's not just the loss of her mother that she mourns. Humans, including the 10 heroes, murdered her entire species in a fully unprovoked war. She still had the compassion and farsight to establish the church, change history so that the murderers of her kind became known as the 10 heroes and tried her darndest to get humans to at least use the legacy of her kin, the crests, for a better future. Instead she had to babysit them for centuries while they use the crests to do horrible research on each other, kill each other, create crest beasts and have nothing better to do than murder each other just as senselessly as they murdered the nabatheans. Rhea is exhausted. She feels her sanity and her compassion slipping. She holds no love for humans after centuries of this nonsense and wants to revive her mother not only because of personal attachment, but also so that sothis can become the new archbishop and rhea can abdicate a position that has been slowy, but surely driving her insane. Imho she should at least be in the somewhat sympathetic tier

    @TheJezryk@TheJezryk26 күн бұрын
    • Sounds honestly a bit similar to Medeus so it makes sense to tier them next to eachother.

      @Alector12@Alector1226 күн бұрын
    • I don't think building a church in the middle of the continent to raise children in order to kill any opposition for possibly centuries is "babysitting" the world and trying to make a better future. I don't think it had anything to do with compassion. It's just my opinion, but considering how it was shown she didn't give a fuck about any of the past children and men she had children with in order to resurrect her mother, and that she started caring about Byleth ONLY when he became the first one to be THIS close to be the successful attempt she wanted, makes me think she's entirely selfish, and that she wouldn't have hesitated a SECOND to kill of Byleth and co. If they didn't awaken like the others, and if everything wasn't going to change anyways (depending on your route). She probably would have started all over again having other children with other dudes for that reason, and continue to assert her dominance on Fodlàn for generations like she did up to this point. Imo it really feels like she didn't lose any compassion or anything, but that she ALWAYS was self absorbed. Remember that the Rhea that INSTANTLY wanted to kill us and tear out our entrails when we side with edelgard is still the BASE Rhea we've seen up until this point in the first chapters, NOT the visibly religious maniac post timeskip in Edelgard's route. She did NOT hesitate a single second to want to kill us, while at this point of the story we were just siding with Edelgard to protect our pupil, not side with her for a war or anything.

      @MAJJASTAK@MAJJASTAK26 күн бұрын
    • @@Alector12 Except Rhea didn't do half the evil shit Medeus tried to do

      @GoldenRose116@GoldenRose11625 күн бұрын
    • Fodlan wouldn't have half the issues it has if the people just went to therapy

      @pandabanaan9208@pandabanaan920825 күн бұрын
    • @@GoldenRose116 Pretty much. Makes one wonder why Mangs put her below Medeus.

      @Alector12@Alector1225 күн бұрын
  • Two quotes come to mind with many of Fire Emblem villains. The first comes straight from the franchise with Frederick saying "The method is the message" after you defeat Wahlhart. While many have a noble goal that many will rally behind, they often end up becoming part of the problem. The other comes from the Dark Knight Falls "You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain". This is basically how many of these villains become villains, they have a great goal but end up becoming the very thing they wish to destroy. The one thing they have in common is they have a dream that is similar to the protagonist but they went down a much darker road than the hero did and are too far gone to believe that the hero shares their dream and only view them as an obstacles to their goal that must be destroyed.

    @johnathanedwards9054@johnathanedwards905425 күн бұрын
  • Was kinda hoping you'd talk about Valter and how he got screwed by the cursed spear

    @darkjackl999@darkjackl99925 күн бұрын
  • Probably could've made a fifth tier for characters you were unsure about, like Anankos and Nemesis. Right in the middle, the "Ambivalent/Unsure" tier.

    @Box_of_Cox@Box_of_Cox25 күн бұрын
  • The reason that I like/hate sombrom is that his motivation 2 things is revenge for his people that were wipe out by the divine dragons and that he lost the emblem ring and wishes to reunited with it. For me he wants to get back what he lost, however he does not see that his children, his own blood can and could had been what he needed people that love, and most importantly stay with him (something that is mention when alear and veyle fight sombrom in phase one of the final chapter) and yet he only sees them as tools. While they could have made many many things or change some details sombrom could had work better, that being said I like that after 3H we got a villian that is just a villian trough beggining to the end where his actions cannot be justified (especially when in universe they mention how his plan is flawed and what he could have done different) and despite that he did it anyway

    @zabes1081@zabes108126 күн бұрын
  • Sad Jahn didn't make the cut, but happy to have seen quite an excellent video 💜

    @NIDOKING@NIDOKING22 күн бұрын
  • It's not just losing "a ring", it's about losing the only thing you know and care for. It's a trope commonly seen in Chine novels, where a seemingly immortal couple that have been through thick and thin together, then one part just disappear and the other cannot truly function without it. I would say somewhat unsympathetic.

    @WTFIWWML@WTFIWWML25 күн бұрын
  • One of the biggest problems Modern Fire emblem has with it's villains is that they are either completely irredeemably evil. Or they are supposed to be sympathetic and they inform us of why they are evil...but we simply don't see enough of it. We never get a frame of reference. I want to see more villains like Duma, Nergal and Arvis. And less villains like Sombron and TWSD.

    @yamatoko219@yamatoko21926 күн бұрын
    • The weird part is that they try to give Thales a frame of reference, like 10 seconds before Azure Gleam is over. The idea they went with could have even gone somewhere, if it didn't come 2 whole games too late(and there wasn't dialogue saying even other members of TWSD are iffy about him), because it actually fits prior lore.

      @lpfan4491@lpfan449125 күн бұрын
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