(The difference between rift/quarter/flat sawn mentioned in this video is found here: • The REAL Difference Be... ) Hey woodworkers, I think you're in for it now. We know your budget is tight when it comes to buying wood. Or when you're new to woodworking, it's not exactly easy to know which wood is right for your project. We totally get it. So let us help point you in the right direction with 5 hardwoods that we think you should check out.
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I have never heard anyone get so much information out so quickly, so clearly. Mark, you did a fantastic job, I leaned a lot about the wood I've been buying. I learned a lot about box store wood in general. Thank you for your time.
Yes, I agree pingman. I really enjoy Mark's channel a lot!
He knows his stuff. Great video
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@@DocyBob ... me too.
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A quick heads up about oak. If it's not nice and dry by the time you get it, be careful about which fasteners you use. The tannins in the oak will react with untreated metals like steel and could leave some ugly streaks down your project, especially if it's exposed to rain. Stainless or coated fasteners are usually preferred for oak. Slightly green oak will take the bluing right off a gun if you leave it sitting long enough. If it's inside and well-seasoned, you don't really have to worry though.
Great video! Glad this popped up. Adding this to my playlist. Going to check out your other videos.
Newbie woodworker here! Love this quick, precise information. I learned so much in a few minutes and immediately subscribed!
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same here
Same then was a little scared when i went to the website to see prices
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Thank you Mark! Really useful, clear and to the point - Spot on!
A couple of years ago, I made the switch from working with SPF lumber from the big box store to using, almost exclusively, knotty alder on my small furniture projects. And it has been the best decision I've made in my wood working. The finished product is so much better, and the price difference really was suprisingly not all that much different. It was definitely worth it. And now that I've gotten more experience and have gained more confidence in the craft, I have started working with more higher end woods from time to time; i.e. cherry, walnut, and maple. I'm still learning, but making the switch has definitely made the process much more enjoyable and rewarding. Thanks for the great videos and information that you put out.
Thanks for the thorough evaluations for each of these woods. Nice job, Woodworker Source team!
I bought this as a gift for my friend kzhead.infoUgkxcZqgZ8Ynkiz5n_LxIWRlAicuzmz5kCHG who is just starting out in the world of wood work. He loves it!! There is a great section on different wood and what to use for what kind of job and a similar section for tools as well. The projects in it are things you probably would have a go at with clear instructions, pictures, videos and diagrams throughout. Great for a beginner/amateur wood worker.
Thank you for your time. Very helpful and to the point.
As a woodworker and someone who works at a hardwoods lumber yard, I dig the videos! And great website! I dig it!
Hey I just wish I found you guys years ago! I've found my way back into woodworking the past few years and this channel has helped me get back in touch with stuff I had forgotten since I was younger. Thanks and keep these videos coming!
I love that so many woodworkers like yourself are willing and enthusiastic about sharing know. This can only help all of us be better and sell more. Thank you.
Love the passion and the knowledge you provide! Thanks for the videos.
I always enjoy your videos. They are a great way to learn about different woods for people like me who have very little knowledge about wood types and their properties. 👍🏻👍🏻
Concise, and you identified everything I've been struggling against as a novice trying to make the pine from the big box stores work. Now I know.
Mark! You do a great job of "cutting straight to the chase", and giving really practical information in a quick, clear manner. This video contains all the information that I've been trying to gather on my own, to decide what hardwoods I'll use to try to take my wood working to the next level without going broke! You're obviously promoting your business, but you're doing it with honest, straight-forward information. I'm actually tempted to order some wood from you! Thanks!
A tip for staining beech without it looking patchy is to spray it on, then wipe it off. That's what we do to get a pretty good, even coverage for our pieces as we stain beech to be a few different browns and greys for our production furniture.
I really get a lot of enjoyment out of these wood species videos. I like to think I know my stuff, but I still always learn something new from these. Keep these coming and I’ll keep watching.
you got it, thank you
I’m a huge fan of the straight forward approach to this video. No bs, no drawn out nonsense, and no goofiness. Sub for sure.
Fantastic quick overview of these wood choices! I appreciate this video as well as your informative delivery. Keep 'em coming!
I'm just getting started in woodworking and was curious what kinds of woods to look for, and then this video pops up and you answered my questions! Thanks for sharing, I'll be checking out your other stuff for sure
plywood might be an alternative choice too.
Loved it man! Very fascinating and informative!
You make woodworking videos look simple, but let me say that your clarity and production value really stands out. Fantastic work!
I’ve been going through lots of your videos and I have to say they are really great, thank you.
Good man and honest. Nobody raised the need and concerns for new woodworkers. Thank you great man.
This was awesome info. Thx for posting. All the detail was really informative and helpful for a newbie like me.
White oak is one of my favorites. Also, it's gets a bonus - I absolutely love the smell when worked.
A lot of good information and straight to the point. Thank you! Please don't change your style. (just subscribed)
I'm not likely to pop down to your store (i'm in UK) but definitely would . What a refreshing KZhead video.. cut to the chase, clear information and the why Questions are answered too... AND no music over dubbed to stifle the information. Great stuff, thanks
Hi Alan, what kind of woods do you guys use in the UK from your local hardware store? I am in WA state and I only use pine. I tried using a piece of hardwood for the first time last year and got hurt super bad on the table saw. It wasn't because of the hardwood, but because the piece of wood was so tiny because I only have small scraps of hardwood that I've collected from pallets and commercial storage crates, etc. The entire state here is ponderosa pine trees, so you kind of end up using pine for everything.
Hi. Sorry to hear about your hardwood experience.. i don't buy enough woods to make a reasonable comment on what's available, sorry. I do know pine of available for nearly anything and would probably use that unless for load bearing applications and then I'd have to do some research😄 i just thought the YT video made a lot of sense
Good no-nonsense vid on the subject. Thanks!
I was taught with yellow pine 50 years ago. 50 years later yellow pine has been, was and still is the backbone of our 75 year old millwork, high end cabinetry and furniture business. We've used all the hardwoods and softwoods but yellow pine is still the mainstay in our business., We're now into 5 generations of family management, my daughters, and they too were taught on yellow. pine. Every wood has it's place in woodworking, yellow pine just seems to be the wood that has given us good lives, paid for college educations, and kept a business working for 75 years, and seems to be the wood that will carry us into the 6th generation, our grand daughter. Thanks for the video, very informative especially for beginners.
Yeah, I love southern yellow pine. It's strong, durable and resistant to rot. Much more so than white pine.
First time I've seen this channel. Excellent job, sir. Fast, informative, entertaining. Appreciate the time you put into it. Thank you.
Well done, helpful, clear, to the point.
Glad to help 👍👍
Great video Mark! Really helped me, a novice, to the point that I feel much more comfortable in deciding what wood to use for certain projects. Thanks for taking the time!
Your videos on specific woods are why I subscribed. I haven't found another channel that provides this information nearly as well. Thank you! Oh, and if you take requests, I'd love some info on spotted gum. I have a beautiful 8/4 quartersawn piece with flame and fiddleback that I don't want to screw up. Videos like yours on spotted gum are basically non-existent.
Great Mark, love your easy and straightforward way of presenting for us learners. Big up from the UK 👍
Your channel is way underrated. Great contents
Great info... as always. Thanks! :-)
Not only did I learn a lot here...You got to the point immediately. Much appreciated.
Thank you very much. Excellent tutorial. I'm going to the lumber yard tomorrow with confidence! :)
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This video is top notch. Thank you!
These folks bring information of genuine value through their videos. To LIKE them is always good. To direct business there way is better. Big box stores are will never support us like these guys do. Find your reasons to support them as they do us.
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Thank you for a great overview. Really helps me select the wood I wish to use as a rusty wood worker.
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Really helpful. Just getting into woodworking. Thanks
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It really depends on where you live. Here in Ontario white oak is super expensive. Where I live hard maple, ash, popular and red oak relatively cheap. It will give you a good variant in different types of wood too. I fine the softer the wood the harder it gets to work with and pine is soft but hard enough to work with. Also where I live we have kiln dried construction lumber. Mostly because it's cheaper for us to import lumber from the USA and it needs to be dried to enter Canada.
@@boriskogan7903 my tools are sharp. The difficulty with soft lumber isnt about just sharp tools. I work alot with white cedar which is a wood that you can scratch easly with your fingernails. You can dent the wood by moving it on you workbench. The difficulty with working with softer wood is that clean edges are hard to come by. If things are tight you better make sure it fits because you can rip the wood real easy putting stuff together and ruin a day or two of work.
thank you for passing on this simple but real knowledge of different woods to use as a hobbyist.
Been doing woodworking for about 5 years now in my free time. There's times I feel like an expert, more often there's other times I feel like it's my first day, and anywhere in between! I really enjoy these videos for beginners because there's always one or two things I learn that I didn't know before or get new ideas for a next project. The dude in the video did a great job explaining these woods and I will definitely be checking out more of their videos. Kinda interested to try some of that Alder or Beech now.
hi mark great viveo buddie im an irish man living in the uk i did like your table saw sled any chance for some details on it its one of the best i have seen so do a mate one and let me have the plans for it
You’re so nice and informative man! Love watching your videos, especially when I’m frustrated and stressed out. Your voice and demeanor just makes all that noise go away and gets me grounded. Thanks for the woodworking info and the therapy too! 😉
Even though you were talking about SPF alternatives - I would have to give a shout out to VG Fir. (Vertical Grain). . It’s used occasionally for furniture making and interior residential trim. It patinas nicely and looks good with no stain. Reclaimed VG Fir also has its purpose. Thanks for sharing the video.
OMG, I needed this video. I'm fairly new to wood working and this will totally help me decide on some future projects.
I've had great success with poplar. It stains and finishes very well, plus it's reasonably priced and available at the big box stores
I like it for things I'm going to paint (it's very smooth) or interior frame pieces (doesn't warp much)
Dave, I love poplar wood too, it's easy to work, easy on blades and bits, stains well like you said, plus the natural greens and purples are really nice.
I never even thought to stain pop. I love the green blond purple but it’s not stable in the sun. I don’t abide by anything fragile so it’s a paint grade wood to me.
Here in Belgium Beech, toghether with oak, is a very popular wood tho work with. Very interesting video my friend. wel done. Also nice editing! I love it!
Thank you, really needed this video. Just getting into this and I feel this info will be preventing future disappointment.
Thanks for the very informative tutorial on these woods. By the way, this video's production values are top tier. Whomever is producing your video content, they've got their job nailed.
Would love to see a video on how to build the best table saw sled, Thanks
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Your title: "12 woods better than pine." My first thought was: "12 random types of wood."
Mark, you’re the best, always cultivating the woodworkers intellect on woods, techniques and finishing. They also are a great source for purchasing your project woods, great prices, ships to your door and very convenient. I’ve used them many times. Love the information packed videos! Many thanks.
This video was so informative! Thank you!
We need to send this video to every Instagram/ KZhead "woodworker" out there. Drives me nuts to see people building furniture out of SPF. As I said before, you all should have 100K subs! Truthful and great info here!
Likewise, man! Love your channel
I just started woodworking and been using Home Depot "Select" Pine boards. How much more expensive are these types of boards. The only reason I go to Home Depot or Lowes for my projects is because I've never been to a lumber yard and i think it'll be a bit intimidating.
@@cadd9511 The Home Depot select pine boards are a terrible value. I've gotten Walnut and Cherry on sale at Woodworker's Source for just a few dollars more per board. Woodworker's Source is not really that intimidating. They aren't all that friendly or helpful either. And frankly, their non sale pricing and measuring practices are terrible. But they have good sales from time to time, and that's when I'll shop there. I just go in and act like all the employees are annoying me by being there. That way, I treat them exactly the way they are treating me. 😁
@@thatguythatdoesstuff7448 Dang just roasting Wood Workers Source lol.
@@cadd9511 Price is going to vary depending on your location, what stores are around you, what sales are going on, what species's are natural to your area and a lot of other factors. If you live by a Menards they have a decent selection of hardwoods like oak and such for a decent price but it's still a large big box store. You'll just have to google 'Hard Wood Stores Near Me' or something and see what pops up, give them a call or stop in or go to their store and see. They're going to typically price everything by the 'Board Foot' or the 'Linear Foot', you'll want to watch a video or ask them how those work so you understand the price of a while board you want.
Excellent video.
Glad I came across this. I'm about to tackle a floating shelf project in our house and was pretty much dead set on pine.
Honestly thank you man! I’ve really just gotten into woodworking during quarantine I keep having bowing problems and come to realize I get all my lumber from Home Depot. This opened my eyes to better suit my needs and make quality furniture. Thank you for being so informative yet so fast!!
Beech has amazing medullary rays if cut exactly on the quarter. Its weight also varies considerably.
That cross cut sled looks great. You have a video on how to make that?
Great editing. Super rich with info. Just finished a pie safe with pine. Will try alder next.
Pie safe? Never heard of one.
I will say I like this information style a lot. I knew about all of these woods, just not about their economical level. As an architect I’ve designed a lot with riftsawn white oak for custom furniture/built-ins for owners. I’ve only worked with it as a woodworker on one small project. It is a go to for me Make more like this. I’d love to have easier sources to learn about other woods available in our area. Topics you may include: (1) rough expectations on costs, (2) where the wood basically comes from, (3) environmental sustainability of the material, (4) things to consider when ordering a particular wood. On (4) I’m getting at things like how much clear wood you could expect to get out of a board, as that could influence the size of piece you plan on making out of it. Keep it up, and thank you
There ain’t no wood better than pine I’ve done many projects in my liftetime and without a doubt pine is the best. My grandpa built my house out of pine and it’s phenomenal he’s since passed but I thank him for it every day.
Pine is great for framing, looks bad for anything else, unless you like "rustic farmhouses".
"Overwhelming experience" All we have in our box stores here and most lumber mills are pine. Other types are hard to come by. Wales- UK.
I agree it’s Mdf,chipboard, plywood or pine. Also it’s more expensive than U.S
If you want good wood go to Russia or America
@@inactiveusertypeofaccount181 yeah not really going to happen just to buy some wood lol
This was such an informative video since I am just starting out. Thank you so much. I look forward to checking out your online store.
I have made quite a few items from pine and fir, you are so right about how wet they are. The up side was not ruining nice wood as I was learning. The down side is the warping, gaping and bowing after the project is finished and blaming one's self for the failure
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Awsome! Just sad I cannot get access to your store frm here in Canada, Quebec.
yellow birch is cheap in quebec so is cherry and silver leaf maple and ash. all better woods than these. ( i like quarter sawn white oak )
Thanks for the hint. Have a great day.
Mark, loved the content presented here. Heading over to your website right now. Thanks!
Great, informative video! thought i’d be stuck with SPF for a while.
Hi mark you didn't mention my favorite Ash right now it is very economical, free machine and takes stain well. I know it may be difficult to get in the future due to the ash borer infestation. Great video lots of great choices.
It's like you were listening in when we were planning this one! Yep, we _really_ wanted to include ash but decided we wanted more shelf life out of the info in this one. But totally agree with you, it's a great wood that's super affordable and awesome to work with.
@@WoodworkersSourcecom The real shame is around hear (Michigan) it is being cut up for fire wood.
Man, that TING sound effect makes me think I've got a text every time. Great vid, though!
Came to the comments looking for that, I restarted my phone because I thought it wasn’t receiving messages 😆 Great channel I stumbled upon though
Nice vid, very informative. New subscriber. Coming from the uk I’m excited to trying out some beech projects. Looks like a nice piece of wood.
Joined the Rosewood Club about three months ago and I've also watched a few of your videos Mark. Very educational and has resulted in encouraging me to step outside the box and learn more about hardwoods. Thanks again brother !
There are many woods that are “better” than pine as far as hardness, ease of finishing and workability, but they come at a much more premium price as well. 🤷🏼♂️
You can get a 12 foot 1X10 for $7, I found out you have to look at the end grain after getting a random board, cutting it down to 2X1 and it twisted. You have to make sure most of the end grain is up and down. There may be a circular knot at some point, I make sure it goes end to end more or less straight in that case. It is 1/3 the price of the premium pine I was buying, which have few knots and preselected end grain, the hard woods are at least 5 times the pine cost. I use it for rough cabinets in a do it yourself van to RV conversion, unpainted stuff I would go with the hardwoods he described.
Ahhhh...... that's what the video was about.
Dr Why ...He didn’t watch the video.
Daniel Holt XXL pretty sure I did
You dont use pine for hardness you use it's for its tensile strength per weight. Which is higher than steel. Also laminated pine is stronger (not harder) than steel period.
You forgot Ash wood. Great stuff for projects..
How do you treat ash wood to increase it's life?
@@mirnasrullahkhan6588 I like using tung oil or any kind of natural oil.
I made a kitchen island out of beech last year and I was totally amaze at how easy it was to work with. Silky smooth right out of the planer and just a beautiful tone with just a food grade oil finish ish
Good to see quality videos coming from your guys. You’ve come a long way from the original website and mail orders! Wish I still lived in the area. - Todd Harrison
There is yet another type of wood that is way better than Pine........ at least in my wife's opinion. Great channel.. your knowledge and videography rock!
Oh, come on now, she was just trying to be supportive. 😇
@@WoodworkersSourcecom very good.
@@Samlol23_drrich lol :-)
But it only comes in short pieces. Plus it tends to be knotty.
Thank you so much for breakin' it down for us!
Concise, and very helpful!
SPF lumber, not only wet BUT 90% is pithy. Also, I wish that there was a lumber store near me that had the variety of woods yours does!
Yes, there have been problems with plantation grown SPF. It is not as strong as it used to be. Pithy is a good word for it. A serious lack of density.
@@davidbrogan606 I've recently replanted few acres with soft wood. It is all genetically modified so it will grow fast and be ready for harvest in about 20 to 30 years, whereas a natural soft wood will take anywhere between 40 to 50 years before worths cutting. Having growing faster, the fiber's structure is less compact and dense, it is longer and is way softer than original. Another alternative to genetically modified wood would be Norwegian Spruce, but all the saw mills hate it as it is a pain in the butt to process. Hope it helps.
@@davidbrogan606 No Sir, the term pith is because it is the inner heart core of the tree. That bullseye pattern visible on all of the big box stuff.www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=fJ2WpNGv&id=25A7B8A476CACF523B668145DEBF7DA5D6E1E32A&thid=OIP.fJ2WpNGvTZlflLERD2BeBgAAAA&mediaurl=https%3a%2f%2ftogetherwewood.files.wordpress.com%2f2013%2f07%2fwood-cross-section_taxus_wood-1.jpg&exph=458&expw=441&q=Pith+Line&simid=608013509961581128&selectedIndex=17&ajaxhist=0
I wish my one Superpower was the ability to identify wood types, and know their pros and and cons when it comes to certain project applications.
www.wood-database.com/wood-finder/
@@matiasgoinheix366 Thank you for this. And I know that there are plenty of sites that offer sought info just a Google click away, but to have all that knowledge on the fly... would be a Superpower I would most like to have.
@@SwankeyMonkey I totally agree, I'm in your same situation.
I can identify 1 or 2 woods by sight, but it takes practice.
I am using a pine desk I made myself, it's really great, perfect for work and used it for 2 years no problem, spent about 100 dollars. Really wish I had made two as I would like to replace a cheap MDF desk with the one I made.
Loved the rundown! I only wish that your assessment of "inexpensive" still rang true in 2021.
we call soft maple "swamp maple" ...its pretty useless for furniture. Poplar is straight but ultra light weight and weak, further more it will not take a high finish, you can never make it look really good. Its great forbuilding the carcasses of sofas and padded chairs. For the past several years and going forward for a bit longer, there is a tremendous glut of white ash lumber in the central Atlantic states. this is because of an infestation knwon as the "ash borer beetle" which has killed virtually all of these trees. Ash has open grain a lot like oak but the wood is whiter and a bit prettier. It does split and chip the way oak does, it is also lighter weight. I've seen kiln dried for as low as $2.50 a board foot, so I would highly recommend it. good luck, John's Wood
Saw the title and just thought, Arent all woods better than pine?
Good pine is a wonderful wood. But only for softwood applications,
@Markus Patients Agreed, Pine excels at making my house warm in the winter... :)
@@starhawke380 it sure don't make good shovel handles.
@@killingoldgrowthsince wouldn't think so 😂
I live in the PNW and I love Alder for my budget projects. Your description is spot-on and it's usually cheap!
Great video Mark!! Very good production.Happy Woodworking David
We only can get pine, shit ply or MDF, you are so lucky
Have you considered air drying your own hardwoods from your area? Takes about 14 to 20 months depending but after a couple years you'll have a great supply
Except in Australia, everything is expensive
Michael H same as New Zealand
Everything? Would think kangaroo would be inexpensive. Wish kangaroo leather was cheap here in the US. Light and durable.
Man I am really diggin your channel. I've learned a ton. Thank you and keep em comin! Subbed
So cool, thank you!
Thank you for the clear and concise video.