How Foie Gras Went From Luxury To Controversy | Rise And Fall
Chefs see it as a culinary necessity. Activists see it as the product of torture. Farmers see it as their livelihood. How did foie gras become such a contested dish?
Editor's note: In a previous version of this video, farmer Marcus Henley said the ducklings “double in weight every day for about twenty days,” but in fact the ducklings double in weight roughly every three days. A previous version of this video also excluded the Sinai Peninsula from a map of Egypt. We corrected the map to include the Sinai Peninsula within Egypt’s borders.
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How Foie Gras Went From Luxury To Controversy | Rise And Fall
I can't agree with vegan movement to eliminate the meat industry completely But saying "force feeding make the animal happy" is the stupidest thing I've ever heard
Many humans force feeding them self and they are very happy.
@@ericbarthelemy190 see the part where you said “feed them selves” that’s the different idiot
The ducks will actually come over to the person, line up and wait for their “force feeding”. It’s only cruel to the emotions of someone who doesn’t want to understand farming.
@@ekynoc9607 ah yes i see the KZhead algorithm has spat out more eco terrorist drivel i have to filter through
@@ericbarthelemy190 about as happy an any addict
If anything, shark fin should be totally banned from sale & consumption. It is destroying the whole ecosystem.
It's banned and illegal in most countries, people just do it illegally in the dead of night and sell to China in the morning. Good luck getting China to care about anything other than pooh bear though. I definitely agree that we should cull the people doing it though.
Shark fin should be banned everywhere
There is a video of Gordon Ramsay discovering and being disgusted by shark fin soup. Right here on KZhead...
@@frankrosemeck9898 link? I'd like to see
@@frankrosemeck9898 no no no , you lied. He actually went to go try it knowing what he was eating, then after tasting it he decided that sharkfin is tasteless as a noodle 🍜 😂, then he said the soup broth tasted good and the tasteless sharkfin ruined the soup so he tried to ask the v.i.p. customers why they spend so much on something he thought was tasteless and got kicked out 🤣🤣 , it's on KZhead bruh .
"We are good farmers" Proceeds with multiple shots of their farm where the floor is impossible to see because of the amount of ducks...
Ikr
So what,, were humans and we are at the top of the food chain we can eat what we want
@@graham2458 I somewhat agree with you, but saying your farm is good to the animals, and then showing that is stupid imo. Just admit that you have shitty conditions for the animals.
@@graham2458what porpouse those this comment have. You can eat whatever but hey we should treat the animals we eat with.... Humanity? You can have an animal live a good life and eat it. In the video they're like "we're a good farm" and these animals clearly live in abhorrent conditions, as space is one of the first things one looks to understand how good the life of a farm animal is. Plus usually since they're so many in such limited spaces they're fed antibiotics to treat or even prevent illnesses
@@artemys5197what do you want the to do ? Let them live in the house and give them bubble baths ? The ducks are raised to end up on a plate. The treatment their receiving is just fine
Humans will ALWAYS rationalize in their mind that there is nothing wrong with how they make a living, no matter the harm it causes to people, animals and/or the environment.
If it's unethical and produces money for the government and themselves it will be hard to get rid of. If you back to the UK in the 1900s the practice of feeding cows "superfood"(crushed cow vertebra and parts not sellable) was a revolutionary idea that boomed in popularity until that slight side effect of incurable CJD. You could trust the government telling you it was ok to eat mad cows. It was no problem until patients suddenly came to hospitals with incurable brain deterioration. Thousands of people had to die before feeding cows cow parts and selling mad cow meat was regulated. It took nearly up to the 2000s for the government to do anything.
There is something wrong
Who cares? Not me👍
@@thanhan7879 cease
@@thanhan7879 who asked?
“A restaurant that doesn’t have foie gras on the menu is like a painter who cannot use a color” what an unbelievably French statement
Nearly all french restaurants in France have Foie gras in the menu. And good news : ducks and geese don't suffer during fattening. Here are my sources 1. Faure JM, Guy G, Guémené D, Noirault J, Destombes N, Garreau-Mills M. Behavioural and physical response to ACTH injections, force-feeding procedure and various potential source of stress in male mule ducks. 1998; July 21-25th Congress of International Society for Applied Ethology. Clermont-Ferrand. France. 2. Faure J-M, Guémené D, Guy G, et al. Is there avoidance of the force feeding procedure in ducks and geese? Anim Res. 2001; 50: 157-164. 3. Guémené D, Guy G, Noirault J, et al. Force-feeding procedure and physiological indicators of stress in male mule ducks. Br Poult Sci 2001;42:650-657
@@thibaultbethencourt I wasn’t trying to indicate a stance on foie gras, I was merely participating in America’s favorite pastime- poking fun at the French
@@mucci6954 😂😏
Same with the legendary baguette
@@mucci6954 yeah. Maybe we will be poking fun when you'll be head kick by Russians and Chinese armies (that's probably what we gonna do)
I have heard of a farmer in France that produced foie gras by letting his ducks eat acorns. He did not force feed them in any way, apparently letting them eat acorn was enough to produce foie gras. If that really works, then I personnally would not consider foie gras produced that way to be animal cruelty.
Iberico pork is made the same way, by feeding acorns to the pigs, which leads to higher concentrations of unsaturated fats. So it makes sense it might do the same with ducks. Hopefully that replaces the force feeding
@@seraasmr2295 xd
@@seraasmr2295 killing them in a way that gives them unnecessary suffering is animal cruelty, that's why even in death penalty states, the people convicted to death have a fast death.
@@seraasmr2295 dont eat vegies as well they are killing plants
@@seraasmr2295 sorry that's dumb. The entire ecosystem of the world relies on eating each other.
Quite respectable reporting compared to most reporters now a days. Although I would of liked to see more farmers that are based around non-force feeding tactics like using fatty nut and grain blends as I don't know much about it, but besides that this was very fair reporting and I love how you guys shared both sides
The pro animal agriculture bias of this channel became obvious when they started playing sad music after the law was passed that reduced the sales of those who torture ducks for profit.
@@someguy2135not really cuz the video then abruptly said “but doctors say otherwise”
“A restaurant without foie gras on the menu is like an artist missing a paint” i want to live in the world this woman lives in.
Some people get brain damage from the lack of oxygen of sniffing their own farts too often. This is especially true amongst the French.
You do realize foie gras is deeply rooted in French culture? Many French people have grown up surrounded by the dish, especially during holidays. While I don't support the forceful feeding of ducks to make foie gras, I believe that calling someone crazy or stupid for defending a part of their culture negatively reflects upon yourself.
@@jackattack4254 I didn’t call anyone crazy or stupid..
that was such an insane comment for her to make lmfaooo
Such a mid snack. I think these snobs get off on the price of these things rather than the actual taste. Foie gras is foul. This also explains crap like caviar.
The thing is we didn't ban foie gras in Czech Republic, we banned force feeding, but we still can produce foie gras by simply feeding ducks with corn flower with acorns and other stuff. It takes longer for sure but not that much, so yeah definitely possible to have foie gras without force feeding you just have to feed them with more fat induced "diet"
See, I'd personally be happy to pay the exorbitant price on such a product, knowing it was sourced ethically.
this seems way more viable
That's the issue they want it NOW
"it takes longer". Lol. And do you think if you take that and apply it to others food, anyone will have enough to eat?
@@eliaskouakou7051 anyways Foie Gras is n ot meant to feed ppl. You are talking non sense.
I appreciate business insider showing both sides of the story and they leave it up to the viewers to form their opinion Edit: never expected to get top comment, always listen to both sides of a story before you make an opinion.
Well said sir. I agree. Having the choice is what is most important. Thank you
Good comment. Except it's their
@@tombomombodombo Good comment. Unfortunately, you forgot to place a period at the end of your sentence.
That's a confusing part... We eat animals is wrong... Of course we are used to this and can't stop it in a day... But slowly our next generations need to be taught that we are doing wrong
@@justinnee1572 thanks Donald Trump!
Always need to hear both sides of the problem at hand. After doing so the sides are "we will lose money" vs "this is animal cruelty". It's crystal clear the force feeding part is animal cruelty and if they can't adapt their business without torturing animals then the business should fall.
Dude they are just animals stay in your lane
said animal wouldnt even be alive to expreience the 'torture' if people werent buying the product, and maybe no life at all would be better than the ones they have, but as the person above me said, they are ANIMALS. It's not cruelty either, they arent doing what they are doing with the purpose of injuring the animal, just to get the liver bigger.
@@Cool-123 Those ducks are more important than you'll ever be lol
@@gingerpaul5702 "they arent doing what they are doing with the purpose of injuring the animal" they're literally gonna kill them-- like?? 🤣
@@agustin3622 bro they are farm animals, they have no purpose, their only goal in this life is to be bred, killed, and served.
“It’s unfair that we’re being judged negatively for harming creatures”
Uhm like humans do not harm each other?
@@zarpp9411 And when has it ever been OK or acceptable??
@@zarpp9411 Uhm... what does humans harming each other have to do with us harming other animals?
I’m no vegan, I say to each their own. But let’s not pretend that being pinned down and force fed down the throat is somehow a pleasant experience for the duck. There’s a reason why people are anesthetized when they need to go on a ventilator.
We aren't geese and so your ventilator comparison makes no sense.
@@ToPlantASeed1 That doesn't mean you treat other animals as you like just because they are not human
@@ToPlantASeed1 Exactly
Assuming that geese are happier inside or outside for instance has not been proven. It is a logical fallacy.
@@shrineshspai2476 I was talking in a purely anatomical sense. Our esophagus isn't capable of withstanding such a thing unlike geese.
I feel like its okay as long as they arent force fed, I've had some from a neighbor that just feeds a lot of fatty grains like sunflower seeds
Mmm not force fed, but only fed things that give them fatty livers... interesting choice. That's like saying I would be against a home force feeding your mother anything, but as long as she was happy eating nothing but bacon, whiskey and lard, that's fine.
@@falkura the point he’s making is without force feeding it isn’t intrusive to the animal. It makes it closer it just feeding cows and pigs a fattening diet so they can later be processed and sold
That doesn't produce diseased fat liver that blew up to 10x the normal size. Factually, if you grind up regular liver with duck fat and serve it, 99% of the people will not know the difference.
@@falkura I found the vegan
@@falkura is your mother a duck? If they're being raised for slaughter anyways its not like it has any effect on their lifespan
my heart goes out to all of those millionaires who won’t be able to eat their cruelty paste
I'm not a millionaire but now I'll never be able to try this, my life will never be the same.
The thing is, in France, no one needs to be millionaire to eat foie gras. You could find them for like 10€ the jar (enought for one entrée for one family). So even poor people could have their foie gras for christmas. How could they sold foie gras for such a small amount of money? Intensive force feeding farms. Oh, they could fed the duck without that much cruelty, but then, how the poor could bought it? I’m tired how the foie gras’s industry always complaigns «They try to destroy an old tradition, a typically french one ». Please. For low tiers foie gras.
🤣🤣🤣cruelty paste!
I love how people will stand up for animals being overly fed but watch American women kill half a million kids every year.
Not a millionaire, but I'm OTW to go eat some now. The less you eat the more for me!
The shine on you crazy diamond poster in the background.
The food served in most school cafeteria are pretty cruel as well.
*Is pretty cruel
Cruel lol yes it is especially of late
@@badmash5190 *you're wrong.
Dude, I love your channel and love your replies.
How traumatizing for you.
This guy literally said "we're making them happy by force feeding them" with a straight face
Seriously, my jaw dropped at that moment
Does foie gras even taste good/that good? Genuinely curious coz i dont think i ca afford it/bring myself to eat it lol
@@SagemaGrindset1894 Had it once, a long time ago. It's good and stupid rich. It gives off this kind of this fatty melt in your mouth sensation. It does taste like duck, at least to me. And I totally stopped liking it once I found out they force feed ducks.
@@SagemaGrindset1894 it's good lol, but so many people either praise it too much because it's luxury or shit on it because vegans and animal abuse or whatever, it's important that you come to your own conclusion. it's just good, nothing else
It's absolutely delicious. Go to a fine dining french establishment and I guarantee you'll agree.
i know this is an absolute necessity and it will be impossible for humans to go on or for restaurants to stay afloat without this after learning that it exists 9 minutes ago
I'm amazed that the farmer and development chef went down the route of "people who are against this are irrational and ill-informed". The idea that the ducks are happy to be force-fed because presumably they can't inhale enough corn slurry without human help is mad
Many duck farms didn't use force feeding method to produce Foie Gras, so ? rather than ban Foie Gras, why not just ban "Force Feeding"
It’s not obvious, my dude? To speed up the growth of the duck-the liver (good god, it’s delicious) isn’t the only part of the duck to be fattened and sold. Have you had drumsticks from a roasted duck? Amazing.
Why not just GMO ducks. Oh wait, the same people protesting would probs protest against GMOs as well...
@@Hungry_God i hate them, why are they telling us what to do and what not to do?
@@user-pv2pd3ws5u because sometimes people have to be told not to do unnecessarily cruel things to animals or else they would do unnecessarily cruel things to animals
My guy has the biggest iq i have ever seen, your genius is otherworldy
As long as they’re not force-fed, it’s surely no problem. The farmers who simply allow them to eat fatty nuts and grains etc. have my full respect. Force-feeding them is clearly wrong, but it’s also unnecessary. It should be allowed, in my opinion, as long as it’s done in the right way.
Lmao. Fatty nuts isnt their natural diet too. So yea force fed.
@@RonLarhz I mean, they are enjoy those fatty nuts aren’t they?
@BunsGlazing smh, one kills the animal slowly with undiscribable pain, while the other just makes em fat, and then kills them
Yes, never force a duck to do anything it doesn’t want to do lol
I mean yeah as long as they aren't force fed and these fatty nuts and grain don't cause them any pain then there is no reason to be against it
listen. cool video and all i get it but whats the name of the song that starts playing at 4:27 mins in??? Somebody?
It’s Erik Satie - Gymnopédie no 1 probably?
That guy made such a fool of himself with every word he spoke lol
It never ceases to amaze me that people never figure out almost everyone with money on the line will lie to them. "The geese love being force fed." Everyone: WHY WOULD HE SAY THAT!?!
Selling luxury goods, you know it makes him millions
@Comrade I don't think that will age well...
@Comrade I don't think your children will be proud of you If they happen to read this some day..
@Comrade Humans are Animals too! I'll leave the rest up to your imagination.
@Comrade true, but in my opinion animals deserve to live their life to before the slaughtering process, and this force feeding shit is kinda fcked up.
Props to whoever edited King Louis XVI transitioning in with the head cut off at 1:15
😂
Hahahaha
Off with his heeeaaad!!! Lol
"Let's overthrow the palace and cut all their heads off!" said Robespierre, cutting everybody's head off until someone eventually got mad and cut his head off. You could make a reli-no, don't.
We do some trolling.
How cute the baby ducks are 🥰
Just look how they run away in panic and you see how much they love it.
I guess it's possible to remove the cruelty from this process. It would increase the price of the product, but maybe that's how it needs to be. Expensive things should be expensive because it takes work and effort to ethically produce them. I don't think we can keep getting away with doing savage cruelties to nature, animals, and sometimes even other humans, just because "someone will lose their job if we ban/regulate this". We should learn to live in a respectful and sustainable way, it's been proven to be possible.
It's not about someone losing their job, it's thousands losing their jobs. Also when you say respectable and sustainable, you mean rich who can afford stuff. In the end only the poor will suffer.
@@samSamSam11918 As a person who has never been able to afford luxury foods like truffles, lobster, wagyu and all of that, I can confirm you I don't feel any suffering. My life would be no different if I couldn't eat foie gras. By the way, I also talk about respect an ethics towards human beings, and that includes the poor people.
@@Thekikoblazko you're right, luxury foods is not really a requirement for middle and lower income class. I sort of connected it to the meat industry, I don't think you'll ever find ethical products unless you're making them yourself.
It's still cruel to kill them Watch Dominion(documentary), Forks over Knives, Seaspiracy, The Game Changers, Earthlings, and Gary Yourofsky's The Most Important Speech You Will Ever Hear(on KZhead). Go vegan 💚
@@vegan4theanimals I know, but it'd be better I guess. Look that people already complain of what I said. Btw, I might stop answering comments from now, still reading you all though.
I love cake, but it's a bit of a different experience choosing to eat overeat cake myself to having someone ram a tube down my throat and inject it directly into my stomach without my consent, isn't it. "we're making them happy by force feeding them". It's amazing how people can convince themselves of their own lies.
How can we take anyone seriously who openly admits to shoving cake down their throat, so absurdly as to compare to force feeding, simply because they lack self control? It’s amazing how people can lack so much self control. At least you got consent.
@@italianespressomaker7219 I'm confused as to what point you're trying to make here as you've written a word soup, and shoved a lot of those words in my mouth. What is it you're trying to say?
@@SomeInterestingName i just think he missed the humor surrounding cake in your comment. Either that or he is a redpill weirdo
@@magical571 First of all, how dare you assume my gender. Second, what kind of weirdo has a bat in a cupcake as their avatar.
That's literally how you feed baby birds with a tube. I think the problem is humans as social animals presume the same thoughts and feelings from animals even if they lack taste buds, colour vision or indeed any muscles in their face to actually contort an expression let along the actual cerebral cortex we have to experience the world we do. There is a presumption humans know how they feel based on human imprinting behaviour.
"A restaurant that doesn't have foie gras on the menu is like painter who cannot paint" all the other restaurants and cuisine through the world that do not use foie gras "I am a joke to you?"
from cute little ducks to food I feel bad :(
I'm not a vegan, but I've always believed that if their is a more ethical and less cruel way of farming the animal then that should always be the way it's done, if animals are raised with care, fed properly and humanely then I have no issue.
than you should be vegan. you're throwing moneyt at industries that make cows live their entire lives in a 1x2 cell untill theyre old enough to be murdered
@@renatoaragaosoqueburro7765 I mean, there are definitely small but humane and ethical farms out there that we can source our food from. Its definitely going to be more expensive. But who knows if OP buys animal products ethically or not
It is impossible to feed all people with meat from "ethic" farms. Ethic farms are just a niche market. Look, I always try to eat animal products from these types of farms, but I know it will not solve the problem. Meat consumption in the quantity that the rich and developing countries consume is not sustainable and it is not possible to feed meat to all people without the cruel meat industry. We need to eat less meat to try to remove the dependency we have from these industries.
@@vinidsg Yep. Ofc its not possible and thats why people are trying to make meat substitutes and other alternatives
@@vinidsg If we only made as much food as we consumed, "ethic" farms would be enough. But we waste so much that abuse has become mainstream since we must have our excess "just in case."
As long as the geese are fed ethically and not forced then it’s fine, that’s the issue these foie gras dealers don’t seem to understand.
Idk I would like to hear more from them, surely they would know more than some randy on the internet that didn’t know what foie gras is just 3 minutes ago.
@@LoLFilmStudios And yet it's known that the force-fed geese and ducks suffer from throat etc injuries because of the tubes. And please, just looking at the animals shown in the first few seconds, you know that those are not happy animals. Happy animals don't have massive bald patches.
bro, it's food
@conacal rubdur so you don't care if predators eat their prey alive in the wild?
@@supershaggy4271 no, because that’s the natural order. But rounding up thousands of geese for slaughter is not natural in any way shape or form.
This has always seemed a no-brainer to me. Stop the force-feeding and stay with naturally grown livers. Makes it more expensive, but also more exclusive. Lab-grown foie gras sounds really interresting too.
I LOVE how this showed both sides equally.
Same, but I have a general dislike of animal rights activists in general because many of them are extremely rude and critical of people who aren’t, I get why they are upset, but the farmers are losing money from the ban, and they need to be able to make a living
@@honzo9082 So raise duck meat. People eat ducks either way
It's cruel. That's all there is to it. I'm a farmer, we raise beef. I can't imagine how anyone can defend jamming a large tube down animals esophagus three times a day to force feed them four or five times their daily ration of food in order to make the animals liver take up a third of its body to be humane.
you do know that people put tubes down their own throats to eat and it isn't torture! in fact it is necessary to keep them alive! and they do it 3 times a day!! try to be logical and rational!
@@mellie4174 Yes but ppl understand why one might need to do that and can consent, a duck doesn't. Also, humans that need tube feeding are not being given huge portions because that could result in more healt problems.
It is torture Mellie! That's called nasogastric tube feeding and it's absolutely torturous. I had to have it many times in my life. As well as TPN. TPN causes fatty liver and can shut down organs because of the high fat content but it's used to keep people alive. My liver and my heart would hurt like crazy. Just because something keeps you alive doesn't mean it's "ethical" or "not torturous". Plus this is apples and oranges fallacy comparison. You're comparing saving a human life with NG tube feedings to a duck being forced fed to death for human consumption. The comparisons are not equivalent. Anyway overeating can cause pancreantitis and liver disease. I'm thin and I've had those conditions. They hurt excruciatingly bad. It's Agony. Animals can't speak and it doesn't take a genius to realize hey a liver 10 times it's size is gonna do some damage. They suffer in silence. You can see when animals exhibit pain through subtle ways. Very discreet but hurting nonetheless. It's cruelty no matter which way you look at it.
With respect to animals, you raise Cows and bulls not beef..
@@reginasaribzhanova7053 With all due respect the word beef comes from the French boef, meaning cow. In many cases, using the word beef to describe a breed of cow that is raised for the intent of producing meat is perfectly correct. Don't be so anglo-centric.
Maybe it's cruel to force feed any living thing, but what about the 28 day broiler chicken that feeds and drinks formulas, muscle emulsifier and so many supplements just to attain a desirable weight of 2.5 kg in just 28 days after hatching.
BOTH are horrific. Don’t support/consumer either.
@@sierraroseprzybyla3333 yummy chicken
@@Epsteindidinfactkillhimself that's really brings a lot to a discussion.
@@Timurisoverhere let’s discuss foie gras in my tummy🤤🤤🤤yummy😋😋😋
@@Epsteindidinfactkillhimself A compelling argument my friend! Jokes aside, now I kinda wanna try some. Although at the same time i don't.
I like the fact that the ancient Egyptians didn't even try to hide the force feeding.
It's funny how people care so much about the process of gavage, but so little about the abject cruelty associated with any factory farming operation the world over. Truly missing the forest for the trees.
Having raised cornish crosses, this is far from the most "cruel" thing in the fowl business. Though, the project for geese.that overfeed themselves has some merit to it
You got that right.
@Joel Merrick hey hey!
@Joel Merrick no pun intended
Is it really any different when the geese don't feel the tube in their throat? Birds dont have the same anotomy as we do mate.. Birds swallow stuff whole all the time. If anything its living with fatty liver too long that would be the bad part.
I agree. I'm not discounting the cruelty of force feeding ducks, but if that's the worse thing that happens in the farm industry, then I'd be totally happy. In the grand scheme of things, I'd say force feeding ducks is low on the type of suffering farm animals go through on the big production farms owned by huge corporations.
I was waiting for the farmer to show they ethically fed their geese and there was misininformation about their company but then he just shoved a feeding tube down their throat and said they liked it. How disappointing.
same, I though he was like the foie farmer in spain
But ultimately, that is the argument. People who perform it say the ducks enjoy it and willingly come to get it. I don't know, I'm not a duck.
What I find disappointing is the number of comments that shrug off the cruelty. Most of these people don't even eat foie gras, but the idea that mistreating farm animals should be avoided makes them defensive about creating the demand for needless killing and the fact that almost all animal products were created using cruel practices to maximize profit.
@@eljaytu The part at 05:30 where the veterinarian says, “it’s definitely an injurious process and it amazes me that people will claim otherwise.”
They are raised purely to eat. I frankly dont care how they are treated, they are not humans nor pets, they are food. I just can not empathize with food, I can merely be thankful to it. @@someguy2135
I think it's stupid when they try to lie to themselves and twist how it is. I'm not a vegan or vegetarian, I've never had foie grass but I can imagine that some of the meat/animal products I love cause some harm to the animals in their production. But rather than lying to myself and others and saying "they're not suffering, they're happy", I accept it and admit that having a delicious meal (or in that guy's case, a profitable business) is more important to me than the pain of some animal, even if it makes me morally wrong to some people.
i guess our values shows through our actions, we failed animals.
Are you trying to claim you're better than other meat eaters because you're happy to admit you cause harm and suffering to animals? jesus christ
@@lolnah8856 I never said I think I'm better. But I had a converstion with a vegan colleague of mine and she said she hates when people try to act like they have good intentions and say "ooh poor animals I hate that they're suffering I wish it could stop but I just like meat too much :((" and I get it's hypocrotical so at least I don't do that.
Tell us more about your vegan acquainte's opinions
@@abi-qe6nh We failed ourselves
anyone know the song used at the very start of the video???
"How can we be judged by someone who has no experience in the field?" Buddy, I don't have to have a child to know it's wrong to toss them out a fuckin window as a punishment. I'm so tired of people thinking you need to be a goddamn expert in something to form any opinions on the matter.
I'm so tired of people not looking up the anatomy of ducks and then giving uninformed opinions.
@@claytondimitris284 the one person in this video who had any kind of medical degree described it as "definitely injurious". Are you going to tell her to "look up the anatomy of ducks" too?
@@MrAwawe yes
We can console ourselves that the people who eat this garbage are giving themselves heart disease
@@claytondimitris284 Good thing we have an expert here, enlighten us!
It's strange, I've managed to eat at restaurants my whole life where foie gras isn't on the menu, and the world hasn't ended and chaos hasn't ensued. So idk what that foie gras saleswoman is talking about in comparing it to a painter who can't use a certain color
It's like saying we're missing out on not being able to use chartreuse paint, the one with arsenic.
Start going to a 5* restaurant and not a local one. Lol
Where there is money(aka profits), businesspeople lies.
@@Dare-Knight bro poultry liver isn't even that good.
It's super good tho
business insider be like: yea lets use minecraft music for our next documentary
I knew I couldn’t be the only one who heard it
"the force feeding makes them happy" WHAT in what world would that make any animal happy
Don't you like it to have food shoved down your throat so your liver grows to 10 times its natural size?
I thought foie gras was a type of grass and I wanted to try it one day until I came across this video lmao
I thought it was some kind of meat made of grass or something, strictly for vegetarians. Laughed at how expensive it was for what to me sounded like grass tofu. I hear you man.
i thought it's seafood lol
Faux Grass
I too thought grass?
Oh my god as a non native English speaker I thought it was like a posh word for like grass or sea weed when I read it in books
I'm a carnivore, but if the chefs need paint for their canvas that requires force feeding of animals then that's a paint they must learn to be without. Just because something is tradition doesn't mean you can keep doing it.
So you are okay with mass slaughtering of animals against their will to live but against force feeding of ducks?
@@sherwinpoh5684 absolutrly.
@@sherwinpoh5684 they are animals who gives a shit
Who gives a shit if there’s cruelty. It makes the food better. Also you’re not a “carnivore” you’re a regular ass dude
@@Mrlorop are you a psychopath?
I'd love to try it once.
7:00 Typical Slippery Slope Fallacy.
Well, I don’t think its the end of the line for the duck farmers. I mean duck is still a popular and delicious meat by itself. So its not like the revenue streams have completely dried up.
I think that people who think Foie Gras is cool and not harmful to the ducks should have to go through the same process of force feeding. "Hey man, stop forcing bread down that woman's throat, she's clearly in distress and what you're doing is cruel." "No you don't understand, she loves it, look how happy she is!". Smfh
They process the whole duck right?
@@patriciablue2739 Talons of the duck are usually thrown away
@@jbmp1390 their cages and treatment need improvement but you make it sound worse than it is its not going anywhere
@@jbmp1390 Since when do we raise humans to eat? Crying about an animal being overfeed when it's head is going to be chopped off in a few weeks. Cry about something important for once.
I think the best way to deal with this is to ban the force-feeding process and not the foie gras. Banning the food just outright hurting the industry whose relying on foie gras.
Then you’ll have farms “not” force feeding. And illegally produced foie gras could easily be slipped into the real supply. Banning the food is the only logical way to stop this animal cruelty. I’ve eaten a fair share of this stuff, and while it is ducking delicious, it simply isn’t worth the level of hell those ducks go through. Same with veal.
This I agree
I dont think that animals need rights. They born like a food, they end up like a food.
people making money off foie gras deserve to suffer idc
@@ibissensei1856By your logic cannibalism should be legal because we humans are animals too.
I love how much respect for animals India has.
Many Hindu deities have animal depictions, that's why. It's also why a good chunk of Indians are vegetarians. Chicken are fish are pretty much the only widely accepted forms of meat. That isn't a bad thing as they're both much healthier and less of a strain on the environment than beef and pork.
Then you have low standards. You should see how they treat their street animals. (Dogs and cats)
And being the top 5 suppliers of beef.❤
Not eating animals is not the same as respecting animals. Also, Elephants, one of the most intelligent and magnificent animals out there are chained and paraded as a form of respect.
The ban was meaningless. first, Indians dont eat foie gras. Secondly, they are mostly vegetarians. Good that they did but had little to no impacts on the ducks affected by foie gras.
I have eaten foie gras and to me the funny thing is that actually it can be replaced by substitutes easily. Some forms of liverwurst would work nicely. With chopped liver from a Kosher butcher and a little change in seasoning, you get the texture. Even vegetarian mushroom pate tastes just as good. Heaven forbid if France were finally challenged to change or evolve its cooking in any way.
And you can replace Wagyu beef with a simple frozen patty from McDonald's when you're at it.
@@Lolertank Have had Wagyu beef and was not impressed. I prefer leaner sources that are better for you anyway and as for McDonalds, get with the times: they make a shitty burger compared to In and Out, Tommy's, and places I would wager you have never heard of. Foie gras is cruel. No duck or goose should be gavaged like that. It is unnatural and while you may eat for prestige, the wiser man eats to be well schooled and cultured. Variety and innovation are not to be sneered at, and God Bless the Jews for schmears of chicken liver!! PS-France should be slapped in the face and told the truth: "You are a great technician, but have become a poor inventor. You have not made anything new in decades and refuse to let Paris evolve even when you have a gazillion North and West Africans on your doorstep. In fact, chili peppers are like your kryptonite: anything spicy makes you quiver and cry like a sissy girl!" "You have a rigid definition of what is and what is not a good meal and that is why most New Yorkers throw your Michelin Guide in the trash and use Zagat's. Some of the best meals I have ever had cost me only a few dollars or were free, since you cannot get Cajun cochon de lait unless you are invited to the family party and eating at a night market in Taiwan is a lot more fun than paying a ridiculous price for seafood in Calais."
foie gras can be replaced by bone marrow to be honest
@@marykatherinegoode2773 "You are a great technician, but have become a poor inventor." I'm going to remember that one
If you think mushroom pate tastes as good as foie gras you've had shitty foie gras lol
It would be more authentic for these people to say that they want to keep making foie gras because it's how they make their living - THAT is an argument. All it takes is one viewing of that force feeding process to convince anyone that it's not in any way shape or form about "happy ducks" because they're not happy.
Animals don't get happy in the way humans do, there's no reflection process going on in animal's minds. Acting like animals are just humans in different form is not only ludicrous, but very incorrect, and also can be dangerous in interacting with certain animals (for example, some people that had the delusion that a chimp was intelligent and could think like humans got their faces ripped off by the chimp, and their fingers bitten off and genitals destroyed).
And you can make your living doing other things. There is always a counter argument.
@@chobai9996 not long ago scientists said that no animal can feel pain.....we know now that its the opposite, we just dont know yet what they feel according to happiness or sadness, so dont act like its a fact
Yeah I know, but still, banning it is just bad, reduce it or slow it down.
@@cuttlefish5065 Is there an experiment where the supposed force feeding process was monitored by a neurological device to measure happiness
The ducklings sure as heck do NOT double in weight every day for 20 days! Basic maths of exponentials my guy. Even if they only weighed 1g on day 1, they would then weigh almost 525kg by day 20. Never seen a chick weigh 1g nor a duck be heavier than 5 grown men.
He probably didn’t think of the math and meant “a lot bigger in less than a month” lol
The average weight of a newly born chick is roughly 25 grams. That chick would be 57792 lbs (26214 kg) at day 20.
@@whitenoise509 ive taken calculus like everyone else lol. I’m just saying I wouldn’t necessarily take him literally. I think we all know in general, the size of an adult goose.
They do grow fast but not that fast, I couldn't believe how quickly mine grew I knew the numbers but seeing it is totally different
They do grow fast but not that fast, I couldn't believe how quickly mine grew I knew the numbers but seeing it is totally different
“Its unfair that ill most likely lose my job bc force feeding animals isnt humane :(“
You won't need to force feed any more geese
Dan Barber was making what he called “field gras” about 15 years ago
"you have the choice to eat what you want" poor choice of words lol
Look, nobody is making you eat this stuff!
Yeah. If the reporter isn't biased, she would've asked the hypocrite if they will also protect the choice to eat dog and cat in principle of liberty. lmao
“You” ie humans.
Well, hypocrites are everywhere. It cannot be argued with logic.
😂😂😂
I have to question the quality of life and medical issues a bird would have with fatty liver disease, even without force feeding. Also, I've been taught how to tube a calf when needed (usually only to get colostrum to a calf who won't suckle which can definitely save their lives and increase quality of life), but one of the main things they tell you is that you have to be really careful and really limit how often you do it or you'll damage their esophagus. So you'll have to excuse me if I really don't thing that it's ethical to do it unnecessarily. And I say this as someone who has a lot of friends in the ag world and who supports my farmers.
this is so disgusting and disappointing
sadly they don't have "quality of life" humans breed them only for one reason and they don't care if the animals suffer of not, they don't see them as living beings, they see them as products, one "thing" that exist for the sole reason of making money, they don't care if they suffer
Even without force feeding, you realize issues arent limited to ducks though right? Just because we see one sappy video towards foi gras, we shouldnt narrow mindedly miss other animals and issues.
You know what I find funny with vegans and their views on “meat ruins the environment or animal cruelty”? It’s simple, vegans are not any better, have you seen how fruits and veggies are grown? The (almost) slave labor from foreign labor? The de-bio diversity it causes because the mass grown crops? The wipe out of lands, the fertilizers(natural and artificial) that leak into streams and rivers, the destruction of multiple habitats(big and small)? Now I say are vegans any better than meat eater? I say they aren’t, they cause as much damage, just in different ways, so when you start talking about how slaughtering animals for food is “not moral” think about the slave labor, habitat destruction it causes(this happens with both animal raising and crop growing), think about that, when you say how bad raising animals for food is because vegans aren’t any better, we humans as a whole are just parasites on the earth, so don’t think your any better:)
@@freewind6368 I'm a little confused, do meat eaters not also eat fruits and veggies? I'm not a vegan, but claiming that vegans cause just as much damage is just straight up wrong, even if you consider the fact that they'll probably eat more fruits and veggies than your average meat eater. And you're absolutely right, the conditions under which almost all of our food is grown and produced are horrible, but maybe that should make us think about why that is and what we can change about it. And maybe the start is just getting rid of some animal cruelty practices. Getting rid of one practice doesn't mean we can't try to change other practices as well.
There was a time in my life where I would force feed my self passed what my stomach could handle. It was painful.
Idk why people would complain about force feeding ducks being cruel when they don’t complain about the duck farm?
The way this lady spoke about restaurants having to survive without Foie Gras was too much. I like to see different sides of the equation, but dear lord did that lady seem so detached from the daily world that I live in... void of Foie Gras.
Depends on where you live, i live in Sud-Ouest (Sout West of France) and here it's like part of our culture :/
If you were french you'd understand what she's talking about, foie gras is a huge part of our gastronomy
When your livelihood depends on something, you’ll stretch reality and morals to justify it.
@@Eljacob0 It's not my job, clearly not, and thanks but in my moral (yes it's subjective) eating animals is not bad. And in my reality we are omnivorous, not grass eater.
@@jetroladale8726 no one said eating animals was bad lol but torturing them to death before eating them is bad and if you don’t agree you might not be a sociopath but you hold the exact same belief as one, that’s like the first sign of a sociopath is torturing animals…
If they just feed them, instead of literally stuffing a tube down the throat of ducks and stuffing them, this wouldn't be more of a problem than regular farming.
Foie Gras is specifically fattened liver. The bird *must* be overfed.
if they feed them a normal quantity, their liver has a normal size
@@ZRodTW I guess I missed the part when they said it comes from ancient Egypt. Was they modern capitals?
@@phillipmorgenthaler they were just as cruel.
@@lolaispure4296 I'm not saying it's not cruel, I think it should be banned. I just don't like people blaming capitalism for everything bad.
The farmers who still have a strong stand on force feeding foie gras will fail. the market takes out what doesn't work and keeps what does. and if people had a choice between force fed or not, they would choose non force fed foie gras. If there is no reason to force feed them, then why should they continue it?
“The ducks love getting force fed” -duck eater “The humans love getting their arms bitten” -sharks
Honestly as someone who lives in one of the Tyson hotspots and sees their poultry being delivered on a very regular basis, those ducks look far better than the majority of what ends up on most people's plates as far as chicken. It has gotten a lot better since hormones and antibiotics were banned for poultry use (I stopped eating Tyson chicken for a long time because the chickens in the trucks always looked like zombies) but they still look really rough after their fattening process (they do it for practically every meat animal). Also ducks will stuff themselves given the chance, it is one of the hardest parts of keeping pet ducks from getting liver disease. There is a reason people figured out that this would happen and started recreating it.
F for your poultry but going from we know animals overeat when giving the chance and forcing them too do so is not even comparable. People who care about animal will limit the food they eat not do the opposite from profit. Smh
@@frostlemoncake well that was kind of my point, it isn't just the ducks that are forced to overeat, poultry, pigs, and cattle are basically forced into the same process right before slaghter. That is essentially the purpose of stockyards. I am basically pointing out the hypocrisy of them targeting this specific issue. To be blunt them being able to limit the process to 3 weeks rather than the 2-3 months most other fattening processes take, it is probably a lot less stressful on the ducks since they would be slaughtered well before the major symptoms of liver failure would kick in. A lot of stockyard and meat poultry aren't so lucky and go to waste.
Even if they look better, that doesn’t mean it’s okay. Something can still be terrible even if it’s less terrible than something else.
this is very true. as an american living in france, i can tell you that to produce foie gras, the ducks or geese need to trust the human that is farming them and they have to be kept calm and really in a healthy way. I collected chickens for the major chicken producers as a fund raiser for my highschool. Those chickens are all ill, are tortured by being kept 8 in a tiny square cage box with no room to walk or move about, their feathers are falling out, it's horrible! And we eat that crap! well you do in america. I live in france so food quality is way better. But non one is trying to ban all your frozen chicken breasts. The fact is you are right. Ducks will kill themselves with food if given the opportunity. When they trust the human feeding them, they don't get stressed by the feeding process because they want the food.
@@SilverScaleMA The other animals don't have pipes shoved down their throat. That is the vital difference. Spin it however you like, force feeding the animal is cruel.
The Egytians force fed the geese because they had alot of wheat and grain so they could have fatter meat, the french discovered the liver
Stop, stop..you had me halfway through; I'll try it!
exactly
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@@smtandearthboundsuck8400 edit: tried it and it slaps. No wonder royals liked it. 10/10 👍🏿
This is seriously out of touch with reality. One day people are going to look back at us in disgust at how we treated other creatures.
Something to note as someone who works with animals is that birds do not possess a gag reflex, nor do they get a sense of feeling full, like humans do, so all they know is that they aren't hungry
the tissue of their esophagus can get inflamed and damaged. The bigger problem is that the ducks livers expand to 10x the original size making it hard for the ducks to breathe and impairs blood flow. The ducks also have higher stress levels and show avoidance behavior (fear) towards the people that feed them. Not to mention that the ducks have no access to open water, something they need to thrive.
@@quinx5251 don’t be a hypocrite and do your research before just agreeing with the first thing you see
@@ianhermansson7191 in that similar vein, I'm looking for the research you used to cite your comment, but I don't see any. Google gives conflicting results (some saying they don't feel pain, others saying they do, exc), mind sharing links to your peer-reviewed sources? I'm honestly on the fence on this. I don't want to engage in a practice that causes any more distress than... you know, the normal distress of being raised as a meat animal, but I also don't want to make that choice based on theoretical feelings that humans assign to animals without research.
@@basilmemories could go vegan to save yourself the stress 👌
That does make me look at it in a different light. It's still force feeding but clearly less unpleasant than doing the same to a mammal or human.
Did the dude just say the force feeding makes the ducks happy?😏
Literally wish I could force feeding him. For his happiness you know...
@@upcom1ng116 you do know that ducks aren't really the nicest animals in the animal kingdom. They will straight up Cosby you if given the chance and they regularly Cosby each other. A bit of force feeding is just the tip of karma that the duck species has earned.
@@joshuamedina7292 Apparently you don't know that humans are not the nicest creatures on planet Earth either. That's a stupid argument. This is not about the duck farms, it's about the cruelty involved around force feeding ducks.
@@AchillesSeverus you sound like a big supporter of eugenics. Why don't you go donate some money to planed parenthood and advocate more things like the tied pod challenge, hell why not take things up to 11 and go support the CCP i hear they have a healthy prospective in uyghurs management as well as many other human management policies. I'm sure you'll fit right in with them👍
@@joshuamedina7292 do you just open your mouth and hope for words to come out
If you have to force feed them, they don’t want to eat
Since there's a process where they roll the liver. if they can harvest liver without force feeding, then they should ban force feeding and let the regular liver be processed.
"We are making them happy by feeding them" someone please force feed this man nothing but his favouriate food in excess 3 times a day for 3 weeks and see if it makes him happy
He will be force fed in hell, his own demise.
@@angelicguidance444 HOLY SHEETS CHILL MY GUY, RE YOU VEGAN? DONT SAY THAT! THE STEREOTYPE THAT VEGANS ARE DUMB WILL ONLY BE REINFORCED! CHILL MY DUDE
@@Ben_The_First dude you're the one who needs to chill
@@cannibalman8175 sorry then
Bad comparison. Ducks have a highly expandable neck. If they eat a lot their neck gets really lumpy, but it isn't painful.
If we just raised the animals humanely and happily then there wouldn’t be an issue, because goose and duck meat is good eats too! No issue with using the entire animal!
They do use the whole animal, they just get the livers to be bigger so they can make more profit. But they still do sell the carcass of the animal as well, if Im wrong go ahead and reply. :)
@@nivlazhang9756 Correct me if i'm mistaken, but the carcass is usually thrown away due to being too hazardous for consumption.
@@wally9997 The meats too hazardous because of the liver people eat? Hmmm I think i see the problem!
@@danquaylesitsspeltpotatoe8307 Is it?
Nivla Zhang by force feeding the liver that way they essentially make it so that it stops functioning properly and the toxins what would be filtered out don’t get filtered as well or at all. It’s so sad because goose/duck breast is a favorite wild game that my family eats. The force feeding is super unnecessary and is only done so that they can produce larger quantity of fois grae, there’s no issue with the consumption of the product, but the way it comes to be on our plates is pretty fucked up just like every other animal product/by-product we consume
I draw the line at unnecessary suffering. Suffering is part of nature, but we as humans have the higher intelligence, and hence the responsibility, to mitigate as much unnecessary suffering as possible.
I had no idea that this was an actual thing people liked. Never would have thought to even do this. Veal can be made without tied up calves, this can be done with out force feeding, the rest of the goose won’t be as tender though.
I was waiting the whole time for them to explain how their practice was being misrepresented by 'animal rights' activists and they never did. Personally, when it comes to animal rights,I'm more on the side of animal welfare (since animal rights tends to animorphasize animals with no scientific backing) but even animal welfare will see tube force feeding as unethical since it serves no benefit to the animal and possible health issues. The concern from these bussinesses is mainly losing profit and having to close. Which, fair, people are going to lose their jobs. However, you still have time to adapt and rebrand your bussiness before the huge hit in legislation.
Did you really watched the entire video? I mean, with the part of vet explaining research included? It's small because the argument against force feeding is really simple
@@malhk ??? Did you read my reply? I was referencing how the farmers/bussinesses kept saying "We are being misrepresented" then never went onto explain how they were being misrepresented. Your comment is rude and seems inapplicable with what I was actually referencing. I don't actually care for hearing "both sides". I am interested in the farmers making claims/victimizing themselves and never bringing points forward in support of their argument. They were making a thesis sentence with no body.
@@TheCatsMe00w rude? I was asking if you'd watched the hole video because by your comment it seemed that you didn't have. Calm down👍
Yes you can say it's about profit. But what about the consumer that wants it? Without demand there is no production. So the ones you should go at his your peers not the industrial they do what they have to do to satisfy the consumers have their return the same way an employee will satisfy the employer to have some return.
I was waiting for that too. How disgusting of that lady to point out her depth of force feeding geese. At least question and learn the process. She came across as an ignorant, selfish greedy French woman. I hope she either fails or learns something different. What's your favorite food?
I’m sorry. But they shouldn’t be shoving a tube down it’s throat. That is absolutely insane.
@@salt9556 facts
@@salt9556So, if you’re to die inevitably would you rather enjoy your life while it last or to live miserably?
@@chaoton Good thing we're not ducks.
@@salt9556 Or we could improve both. It’s not mutually exclusive. Edit: well, I also heard that happy animals taste better.
@@salt9556 There is difference between cruelty/torture and taking a life. While the latter maybe justified in many situations including under the law, the former is hardly ever justifiable or moral. I personally would never wish it on my most detestable enemy even if I were to wish their death.
This is real journalism
They're so cute though!!! Shout out to the Erik Satie in the background, perfectly melancholic for this video 😔
Is this basically force feeding ducks to artificially develop fatty liver?
Yes
Yes but it’s not artificial
Yes and no, they are force feeding them but technically it’s not artificial
Actual cruelty lol, forced a tube down their throat from birth to death, at least let them enjoy life before killing them for food.
@@lion6379 you're a funny guy. How much do you think chickens enjoy life in the United States ? Good luck banning chicken anywhere though
One key thing missed in this is the fact that ducks imprint ... So, when they decide to force feed, the workers also need to stay awake to feed the ducks because otherwise the ducks won't eat. I don't know the ducks: feeder ratio at Hudson but I have visited other farms in NY where the workers are only getting about 3-4 hours of sleep in shared trailers so that they can be on hand to feed the ducks. It's more than just humane treatment of ducks, but also the humane treatment of HUMANS.
I mean this is the life of almost all animal farmers if you want your precious cow flesh and duck corpses. Slaughter houses get it the worse because they often develop mental disorders, most commonly PTSD shown by their apathy-like symptom, dissociation. Nobody cares because they are immigrants and the extremely poor who have no other option. More people would care if those affected were mostly middle class and born In the same country.
One more point, All those workers on the farm are immigrants.
@@JustPidgeon1 so? They dont have to work there... thats their choice
@@narmale It's either they work there or they can't afford anything for themselves (or their family if they have one). That's how poor and/or uneducated those people are.
@@narmale Doesn't mean they should be suffering in their farms needlessly if they can help it
I dislike how people just starts protesting to ban a dish that's been around few hundred years just because they see people force feeding them.
I dislike how the millenia old culture of human cannibalism was banned just because people who've never even tried the dish label it as "unethical"
"Unfair"? It's unfair for the animals being *forced* fed 😒 if your business replies on the torture of people or animals, you should probably change your line of business 🤷🏼♀️ Also, I eat meat, I just get it from either my family or local farms, all of which feed organic diets the animals were MEANT to eat and are also free range and absolutely loved and spoiled their whole lives. As meat eaters we have A RESPONSIBILITY to treat the animals with the highest level of respect and dignity
I fully agree. The sausages I use are made from meat which the animals are free to roam in England and are killed with gas (they calmly pass out)
@@evanicefaceWouldn't the gas enter their bodies and be harmful for consumption?
It’s like they say, “Nobody wants to see how the foie gras is made.” (also, is it just me or does a French person speaking English with a French accent sound like an English speaking person doing a bad French accent?)
So the English people are doing a good French accent?
"We're good farmers." Farmers are there to produce food for a profit. So, yes, you are good farmers. However, that doesn't mean you're compassionate ones.
Exactly. Good profits, poor animal husbandry.
Kind of a controversial take from me but even if you removed the whole force-feeding, something about feeding the ducks fatty food like acorns constantly as their only food seems somewhat depressing too. Its almost like if our only food are big macs.
People just don’t have nothing to complain about or complain about the wrong issues
Foie gras is a seasonal dish that was made available all year long like most of our foods. The difference is. In order to have foie all year long. You have to force feed ducks and geese.
Im glad to see both sides given light to this topic. Because honestly, it just goes to show that force feeding is unnecessarily cruel. And the whole comparison of "are we going to ban chicken next" is so dumb. Because currently, consumers can choose to buy free range chicken. Showing both sides also goes to show how biased the people in the industry are. They have blinders on. "Its natural" *cut to a veterinary scientist* "It is not natural".
Cry about it, you’ve probably never even seen a duck in real life lol
Free range is really expensive. I see no point in buying it
@@orionfernandes4587 More expensive for sure, but not by a lot.
@@HercadosP I save money at every chance I get. I do not fall into debt very often
@@HercadosP If its not a lot more expensive than it isn't real free range, but just skirting the rules so that it can be sold as such.
It's important to note here, that all market meat does a similar process. Steer, pigs and chickens go to a finishing yard where they face an unholy fattening process.
Looks good! Would love to try it!
While I don't like the practice, I wish BI had mentioned that ducks lack a gag reflex. From what I've seen, there is no pain associated with overfeeding.
That is true, but they usually are force fed to 2-3 times their body weight (to get a bigger liver), which destroys their leg and make them can't defend themselves from rat attack etc. I personally think it's not that bad if they are fed to a normal body weight and have a decent life. But unfortunately most farms force fed them and their lives are miserable.
@@Andrew-jx8gg Honestly, if the perspective you had shared was the perspective, I think the conversation would be better for it. Thank you.
@Matt You’re missing the whole point. The real pain and trauma comes from the oversized, diseased liver. No one has argued that a gag reflex is the reason it should be banned. Geez.
@@guy8646 they kill them before they get any symptoms of liver disease. You dont get liver cirrhosis in two weeks
@@guy8646 If fatty liver disease was that big of a problem and that painful, tens of millions of Americans would be in trouble.
Are they talking about the same Peta that kidnaps dogs out of people's yards to kill and then the courts have to order them to turn over the pets for a necropsy that shows the pets were healthy at time of death.
It is really messed up on how peta tries to stop people from eating meat saying some dumb stuff, or tries to protest games that have animal violence in them. (Far cry 6) then the kidnap someone's pets and kill it. Not to mention the fact that most of there cats and dogs at there shelter get put down by peta.
@@iscreenshotpeoplesnftsfora1200 they can't say anything to muzlims fyi
@@impossible9599 Wdym
Look two wrongs don’t make a right. It doesn’t take a mind reader to tell you that having your liver enlarged 10 fold is uncomfortable.
@@austinbevis4266 Yea it is messed up that they do that to the animals.
You can also produce foie gras after the death of the goose. You need a few substance to get the liver cells to absorb fat. But the geese won’t be force feed anymore.
Nah they wouldn't wait for them to die on their own.
@@aditisk99 Actually there is a company in germany called „happy foie“ they buy free living geese and slaughter them normally to inject the liver with other fats and produce a foie gras that’s not been stuffed.
Like many others wrote if it can be done without force feeding or the geese being harmed in any way, then maybe, but i doubt that's possible..