3 Strange Mysteries from the Lake Michigan Triangle
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00:00 Lake Michigan Triangle
3:55 Chapter 1: The Halloween Ghost Ship: Rosabelle
9:48 Chapter 2: The First to Vanish: Le Griffon
17:48 Chapter 3: What Happened to Captain George R. Donner?
21:35 Chapter 4: Triangles Everywhere
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If one thinks deep back in the 70s Jonny Carson wise cracked about his exp when the water on Lake Michigan all of sudden turned violent in like really hot calm 90 degree weather it went from totally calm in a split second and he said the water color actually changed. I had that very same exp with being on a 57 cabin cruiser with a colleague and friends ex wife. The man told me point blank the sole reasons he divorced her was she was a few bubbles off plumb and that was when she piloted this 57 footer into the middle of that lake I knew she wasn't sane... I saw boats that coulda hit and swallowed that little cabin cruiser and legit claimed they never knew they hit anything. Not to mention when the storm brewed up the water went from the normal putrid stinky pea green to a glowing purplish blue which other mariners have reported. That dip stick broad had no brains no mind to be out in the middle of that lake with that toy boat with me on it and that was the end of the relationship with us when I forcibly took over the helm that afternoon. I even called a mayday n the radio to let people know we were in trouble as the storm intensified it totally sheered off the engine hatch cover which she had open to cool the motors. Later part of the upper bridge roof was sheered off & left hanging over to the port side. If I was not so busy trying to save my own life I probably woulda crapped my own pants especially when the water literally changed colors and started to like glow was the interesting part. At that time I was not that interested in the weird glowing water not at all. Whether it was the sun or the sun angle the waters in the middle of Lake Michigan began to like glow a purplish blue color not the sick smelly green color I remember. I don't know how the hell anyone can even swim in water that stinks like that water does stink. Then think that some people take literal toy boats among them gargantuan ships that traverse that lake. I mean my buddies ex has more money than brains and some people die of that scenario too like she probably will.
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Most of the people dying in Lake Michigan overestimate their ability and underestimate her treachery. No real mystery to that; My wife and I were in the lake today and it went from no waves to 6 footers in a heartbeat. Also, it's Mackinac is pronounced Mack-in-aw. Much love for the videos!
Yep, Mackinaw is near my stomping grounds.
Edit: Hey, another Wisconsinite here, he also mispronounced Manitowoc, for those curious it's pronounced kinda' like man-it-uh-wok. I agree that there's no mystery, tides, currents, weather, and hypothermia is all it takes.
Higher population in the triangle area also adds to the largest death tolls.Not taking anything from the condition of the lake itself.Just a observation.
@@adspur Chicago n Indiana side, by far have a much greater population but 4sho
@@adspurexactly, waters are just as dangerous further up, there's just a lot less people. The only area that's not really dangerous is the bay area around the peninsula that's pretty protected.
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Living on Lake Erie, about an hour west of Cleveland, the storms on these lakes are nothing to mess with. It can be a beautiful day, and in 5 minutes that can change drastically. Just this last weekend, we started off with a beautiful Saturday, and then severe storms rolled in instantaneously. This isnt even saying anything about what happens in November. Thats a whole different animal when a cold front moves in. You dont want to be out on the lake when severe storms are in the area. Could you imagine how it was when we couldnt predict weather beyond "its raining outside" or "its sunny and hot"?
I agree. Live just outside of Toledo. These lakes can quickly turn deadly.
@@darthdeviousMichigan native, went to school in sault ste. marie. I check that, these Lakes aren’t anything to underestimate, that’s for sure.
Sandusky?
@@rustyshacklefordrefined5756 close. But I was actually at CP when the storms came through. Went from clear blue sky, to tornado watch in the course of 10 mins.
Detroit River can get pretty nasty even!
As someone who learned to sail on the Great Lakes, it was drilled into me that ocean sailors coming to our lakes often have difficulty managing to sail well, and that Great Lakes sailors often have no problems on the oceans (besides tides). I sailed on the ocean once, and the waves were larger, but more regular and easier to manage. Many of the early wrecks are likely from ocean sailors thinking the Lakes are simply freshwater oceans. They’re not. The waves ricochet off shores and make for chaotic, short-interval waves. And as others have mentioned, storms can appear suddenly out of clear blue skies and wreck havoc. I love the Great Lakes, and I love sailing on them. But they are weird. And easily underestimated.
Absolutely love these videos! I grew up about 40 minutes from the Benton Harbor/St Joseph Michigan area. Local news in the summer regularly talked about drownings due to the rip currents. A lot of the beaches there have sand bars close to shore, and when they break out, things get scary. I've been caught in a couple small rips, and can say that it's absolutely terrifying, even as a competent swimmer.
I go to Silver Beach all the time with my son and we take our noodles. We dont notice the rips because of the noodles and we are usually swimming sideways trying to go from the swimming area to some random spot on the pier. I eventually want to make it out to the lighthouse lol
@tommywolfe2706 even with the noodle, if you got caught in one, you'd notice. I've never felt any rips at Silver Beach, but definitely at Warren Dunes
@@apancher I thought that I had already been in some.....and now I am feeling reckless and stupid and will definitely weigh my decisions, especially with my son around a lot more from here on out.
Thanks for another great video. The captain Donner case might seem more mysterious than it actually might be. The cabin might have been locked from the outside (some accounts say, the crew mate who went to wake the captain even thought he might have locked the cabin and gone to the galley, where he searched first). My subjective guess would be the poor man, after navigating his ship for much too long to ensure its safe passage, was so exhausted he decided to take a breath of fresh air, before going to sleep (I guess we all have experienced over-exhaustion, where you barely stand straight, yet cannot fall asleep), being exhausted might have slipped and fallen overboard unnoticed.
I agree, I think exhaustion has everything to do with his disappearance. The simplest answer is usually the correct one in cases like this. It could also potentially be that he wasn't in as good a state of mind as his crew believed him to be, and the exhaustion triggered an acute mental health crisis, ending in him taking his own life. If that was the case, the fact it was a special occasion may have factored into it too.
I agree with you both. I had the same thought. Maybe in his exhaustion, he simply slipped, and after 3 hours... well, he wouldn't be found. Many possibilities, but the simplest is usually correct, as stated above. Be well, and stay safe all.
I have a friend who sailed the great lakes most of his life. According to him they're more treacherous than the ocean. Shifting cargo when a ship is caught in a sudden squal can break a ship in half. The sudden violent weather, the topography of the lake floor, a forgotten detail, carelessness, just plain bad luck and a ship is lost. Those lakes are littered with unlucky mishaps.
I have lived my whole life with in about half hour of Lake Michigan. (in Michigan). I have been swimming when it was 2-3 foot breakers that with in minutes turned into 10' waves. felt rip currents drag me 40 yards down the beach. I don not necessarily believe in 'paranormal'. 'triangles' are just excuses to NOT find an answer. or not even look for one. Lake Michigan (and the rest of the Great Lakes) first problem, is the name. Lake. people think lake and picture that nice little body of water behind their house that they can take their boat out on and fish. so every one underestimates the Great Lakes and doesnt pay the due respect a SEA should get. Second. as they are deep (ish), For their surface area, they are very shallow. which means dynamic. even wind can stir MOST of the lakes into a froth. LOVE the Great Lakes. will never leave. LOVE lake Michigan. but the second you underestimate it? it will kill you.
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Erie, as the shallowest of the five is particularly treacherous!
@@vilstef6988 exactly.
I'm underestimating it right now and I'm just fine.
I was born and raised in Holland/Zeeland and spent a lot of time on the beaches there and in Ludington. Love seeing these videos about familiar places! I have to say I agree with what you say in the final chapter -- it is possible to make a mysterious triangle almost anywhere in the Great Lakes and find plenty of stories to fill it. I've been hiking down quiet stretches of beach and come upon the ribs of old shipwrecks poking out of the sand. They are everywhere.
Ok, the very first time I visited Lake Michigan at Silverbeach in St. Joe, my Dad warned me "Do Not To Swim Out To Far!" He made it totally clear that there is an under tow in that area of the lake that will pull you out to the middle of the lake. I thought this was something old people told there kids to get them to behave better. Well, there is an under tow, and you can feel it. My Dad was right. I swam back to shore and was beat when I can ashore. You must have respect for the Lakes, or they will do away with you real fast.
It's technically a rip current and it won't carry you to the middle of the lake, just far enough out where if you're not a good swimmer you'll be in trouble.
@@stevegantz8620 Even if you're a good swimmer, you'll be in trouble. We Danes have rip currents all along the coastline of Jutland that faces the North Sea. You don't know where they are, when they'll arise or how powerful they are, until you are close or in the middle of one. Countless German tourists have died over the years from getting into one of these rip currents and getting dragged out to sea. They're usually dragged far enough out to warrant rescue by helicopter rather than by a small boat and even great swimmers have lost their lives to these rip currents, simply from being dragged so far out that there's no return without help. But if no one knows you're gone, help will never come.
I agree, take them seriously. @@Arterexius
Hey kid! I’m a Ludington, MI native and absolutely love all your videos, especially those concerning the Great Lakes! I watch your channel and videos over and over. Very interesting, calming and relaxing for me. I must say you have a gift for narration and video production! Being from Michigan I would like to help you a bit on pronunciation. Mackinac is pronounced Mack-in-awe. I’m not being critical, only trying to help. Again, your channel is my favorite nautical themed channel out there! I’m and old sailor myself. My father was as well. He worked for the C&O railroad car ferries from 1960-70. I have crossed Lake Michigan many times, on many big old boats. SS Badger is the last of the fleet of 7 from the 60s, still crossing Lake Michigan from Ludington to Manitawoc during the summer months. Keep up the great work! The more Great Lakes videos, the better! Your a smart kid and I just wanted you to know that I really appreciate you and all your hard work!
I live in Manitowoc. Last year I was out fishing early in the morning and had to call the police on some stumbling drunks near the two rivers pier. They were daring each other who would jump in the pitch black water first. The next week, two people drowned by the manitowoc pier after jumping in drunk. While the water can be dangerous, it’s the drunks that are the real problem.
Stupid is as stupid does.
@@eldorado1830 I wouldn’t really call people stupid for not knowing how dangerous open water can be when they’re drunk. They look at it like a swimming pool. The problem is our educational system failing and people being so consumed with media and fantasy that they forget to teach their children about the dangers of nature.
Natural selection. It all works out
I grew up on Lake Erie. And let me just say. The Great Lakes hold beauty and horror. Speaking just to what’s known, the undertow within the lakes are quite terrifying.
It doesn’t matter if it’s spelled Mackinac or Mackinaw it’s all pronounced with the aw ending. A relic of the French and then British influences
Thank you, hearing the ac ending hurts every time
@@mobilegamemadness2763 throw back to my years with Mackinac State Historic Parks
Tell that to the gal who crossed the bridge in the Yugo.
Hey, at least that's better than the Manitowoc pronunciation.
Even plenty of Michiganders say Mack in Ack.
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I feel so privileged to be here 😁 I never knew Lake Michigan had a triangle. Thanks for the new video, Brad
Thank you for watching!
As someone who A.) Has a job that involves being around while everyone else goes on vacation, and B.) Works outside a lot and is NOT built for the heat and sun, I absolutely feel you on summer not being the best season.
Got that summertime sadness? Sorry. Just messing with you.
I'm with you brother. Fuck the heat. Though probably more accurately, fuck humidity.
When I was a kid growing up in Kalamazoo we would go to lake Michigan and I didn't at the time know about the triangle, but we would swim right at the southern tip of it and I always had a strange feeling about that area.
Lifelong michigander, always love the Great Lakes stories
Amazing watch. The great lakes have so much beauty but demand so much respect, your narration is spot-on. Thank for your time and HARD work. "So much history -- So little time"
I'm very excited to see an upload by Big Old Boats. Since I've never visited Michigan and have no idea how big the lakes are, I am blown away by how many ship wrecks and lost lives there have been.
I’m happy to have been born in Milwaukee next to the lake. Then up north near Lake Superior which is way more scary of a lake. It’s as serious as the sea, an so cold bodies don’t deteriorate an stay preserved forever basically
It’s like looking at the ocean. They seem endless. Other lakes feel like puddles once you see the majesty of the Greats.
Captain Donner is a weird one, but otherwise (after watching your videos for so long), my answer is, "It's the Great Lakes." Thanks for another excellent narrative.
I was born in Zeeland and spent my time on the beaches of Holland, St. Joe, Saugatuck, Grand Haven, and Ludington in all seasons. Dad and I sailed his butterfly and were chased off the lake by more than one monster of a sudden storm. We were that family that ran in during the red flag days of the 90s for some serious wave jumping with my parents leading the charge. I grew up on and learned to love Lake Michigan in all her seasons and moods. But that said, I learned that like any great beauty, if you stick around long enough, she'll show you her temper. And she's as viciously deadly as she is stunning.
Hearing your own town is somewhat giving goose bumps. Grand haven mi 🎉
The Macinac and Mackinaw are due to the French and English having control over the same area. The AC is sounded in French as AW. When the British heard the pronunciation they spelled it with the AW. I have lived around the lakes, specifically Michigan all my life. Born in northwest Indiana just a few miles from shore, then the Chicago area and now 40 years in Michigan. I love the lakes, the freighters and the lighthouses. Keep up the wonderful work as your channel is a breath of fresh air.
You did a good job here! One critique- it’s the straits of Mackinac is pronounced Mackinaw like saw 😊
Don't know if I am swallowing the whole lake Michigan triangle mystery thing. The great lakes are just so huge they are capable of generating their own weather systems. Either way very well presented as usual. Keep up the interesting and highly educational videos. ❤the channel!
I love how you match up these old films perfectly with the stories.
So happy to see a new video from you!! I've been rewatching a bunch of your videos to bide the time :)
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I was born and raised in Michigan and visited the Great Lakes. This was really interesting, thanks for sharing.
Eerie, excellent video! All new stories to me. I really like your approach and your sense of humour! You have great way of telling a story. Thanks so much!
Thank you....these uploads are amazing. Great narration...Can't imagine how much research you do....thanks again
This Michigander loves it. I miss home, near Lake St. Clair.
I grew up right on the beach in Holland, MI. Definitely witnessed a lot of mysterious lights at night over the lake. Area is gorgeous though.
I enjoy your presentations. I also like the somber way you present the information. Your voice is suited to these type of stories.
Yesssss! Just what I needed today! Love a new upload!
Thanks you for treating this seriously. All the Great lakes are big and always potentially dangerous. They are called inland seas and out of sight of land, especially before direct communication with shore, anything can happen. There are localized storms that blow up out of no where called a white squall, where the water is covered with white cap waves. When dealing with such unpredictable places with the possibility of very localized sever weather, vessels going missing isn't a mystery... it's a tragedy. What happened to Captain Donner is definitely a mystery though. Don't feel too bad about mispronouncing Mackinac. Best my research says is that it is a old Native American word that has come down to us through 2 different native langues, written down by French explorers, and this word isn't given an anglicized pronunciation. It's also spelled Mackinaw depending on what the word refers to. Livernois is pronounced like it's spelled. The 'Sault' in Sault Ste. Marie is pronounced 'sue', like the girl's name. The Michigan is filled with linguistic traps.
Some one knows how to use Wikipedia...
@@vampcaff Actually this was all off the top of my head. I've just done a lot of research and I talked to plenty of local maritime history buffs here in Michigan. I always wondered if I could accidentally sound like an encyclopedia. I'll take that Wikipedia comment as a compliment. 😄 Also, the description of a white squall is almost a direct quote from a Stan Rodgers song 'White Squall', because he got the description right.
Well done as always, much appreciated and thank you.
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Yet another awesome video 👍 And my therapy is listening to your voice! Very calming, and if you’re paying close attention, I catch your jokes in some of your videos… Thanks for everything you do Brad!
Thanks for another great video! I've learned a lot about the Great Lakes from your channel.
Thank you! It's been really interesting learning about the region!
Im a Michigan native and growing up and going to Lake Michigan you grow up respecting the Lakes. My cousin died while swimming on Lake Michigan a few years ago.
Please keep making videos on great lakes ship history. It’s absolutely fascinating and an overlooked part of history. keep it up. Michigan native here.
I really enjoy your channel, for the interesting stories you tell and the excellent way you present them. tonight, you brought back a memory. in elementary school, about 1980ish, I had a friend who was half Pottawatomie. we were in Wichita (I still am) but his father lived on the reservation north of Topeka. I remembered my friend telling our class the story of how his ancestors were brought to Kansas. hadn't thought about that in years, thank you for this little trip back through time :)
You should do something about the Kinross disappearance... I know you are oriented towards surface shipping, but technically speaking aircraft are called "ships", and for that matter surface ships were involved in the search efforts. I would really enjoy seeing your take on the incident. I often wonder, what happened to Robert L. Wilson and Felix Moncla..? But in any event, keep up the good work! 🙂
nice!
Crazy, just 2 weeks ago, we too a group of scouts to Muskegon Michigan, just south of Ludington. We did let the swim in the Lake, which put them in the triangle.
And those summer time water temperatures disappear in heartbeat, when a thunderstorm blows up off the lake. When the storm comes in, it churns the water out of the shallows into the deeper parts of the lake. And it’s replaced by water that’s just above freezing 🥶, even in August. Born and raised on Lake Michigan. And I have heard enough experiences to fill many volumes.
Another really cool video...always worth the watch for sure!!! And remember, be nice to people!!!
I live in mich. Been boating in the triangle for 55 yrs. I’ve seen huge storms come out of nowhere. Crazy rogue waves but most die in swimming accidents. Currents on the beaches can get very strong.
I grew up on Lake Michigan in northern lower Michigan and it can be very deceptive if you don't know how to read it. Rip currents are the worst. If you find yourself caught in one, don't fight it. Swim parallel to the shore and you'll get out of it. You might have to take a long walk on the beach back to your stuff, but you'll be alive.
I’m pretty sure all those missing boats are under the water.
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I loved this documentary, but I especially loved your very unique ending! Thank you for an enjoyable lesson.
I'm afraid you've been betrayed by phonics. "Mackinac," is pronounced "Makinaw." You've got some great videos that I've really loved, please keep up the great work! (Edited because I can't spell, even on those times I may know how to pronounce things.)
I was half distracted while the video was playing and snapped to attention as soon as it was pronounced incorrectly 😂
You might want to edit your edit 😅
@@vampcaff Naw, I've made my good faith effort. 😅
I’m a TC native, and my advice would be to take extreme caution if swimming in water that has a break wall that is perpendicular to the shore.
Yes!! I ask for you to do this a couple of months ago!! You’re the best!!! 😊
I love watching these videos since literally this is home for me but I had to rewind and loop when you said Manitowoc. I know it’s not easy and you did great but this gave me the best giggle.
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Thank you for another great video!
In nearly every town from ludington down to south haven, there are 1-2 big piers, these greatly increase the danger for swimmers and small craft when weather changes. Large increases in rip currents and waves happen very quickly
Excellent as usual!
Soooo spooky; another fantastic video that reads like a campfire story!
Love your videos, always a joy when I see a new upload message!
Awesome video as well as the history.
Thank you, very interesting and informative.
Thanks for another Great Lakes video. I grew up in the Muskegon/Whitehall area, and now live in Zeeland, so very close to Lake Michigan. I'm not sure where you got your map, but it seems they decided to wipe out Muskegon County and combine it with Ottawa County! Do not trust whoever you got that map from again lol
It's a Canadian map from 1873 haha so I'm not shocked that it's inaccurate/ out of date
@@BigOldBoats lmao, As they said in "South Park: Bigger Longer, Uncut!" Blame Canada!!
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I don't know if it's just me but sometimes I think I live in the most haunted state in the entire country. Michigan and the Great Lakes has its share of scary ghost stories and creepy legends.
I just found you!!!! What a fantastic channel!! You really have a gift for story telling. Thank you!!
Thank you so much and welcome aboard!
When I lived in grand rapids at least once every winter you heard about someone getting swept out into the lake while walking out to see the lighthouse at grand haven. In the summer they would close beaches because of the riptides
I love your content. I look forward to every video. Growing up in Michigan I imagined being on the Griffin disappeared with out a trace. Maybe 3rd or 4th grade. Thank you
I grew up 3 blocks away from Lake Huron . It definitely has sneaker storms, I also lived very close to Lake Superior, the winter snows that come off of that lake are amazing.
Thanks again for the content
Mackinac is actually pronounced Mak - in -awe. Kind of like Tucson being pronounced Two- son. A minor point. I love your work.
Excellent video, and l have never been to the Great Lakes but these stories are very interesting 👍
19:07 I nearly threw my headphones off at work when I heard this. I love your videos with a passion as I listen to them at work, but this pulled me out of my groove.
Excellent presentation! And kudos for not glossing over, nor ignoring completely, the forced relocation and "education", of the indigenous tribes involved in the Le Griffon story.
Lean some today. Keep up the good work. Looking into the sponsor. Live stories on the great lakes shipping.
As a solo sailor, I'd take 20 foot ocean waves over 5 foot waves on the great lake's With that said lake superior is the most beautiful place in the world
Agreed 👏
Amazing video!
Great video nice to have you back! Love these mysterious stories on the lakes.
Feel blessed to be born in Michigan.❤❤❤❤
your content is always top notch keep doing you man
I love South Haven - such a great vacation town!
My dad went out on one of those sailboats that you stand on into the middle of Lake Michigan, he be crazy fr fr
My first husband was a sailor on the freighters on the Great Lakes and mentioned more than once about the Lake Michigan anomalies. Compasses can go off in this area, and other things were occurring that the sailors were aware of.
I'm surprised no ones heard of the Great Lakes Triangle from Duluth to Chicago to Kingston
Thanks for another great set of tales. I'm a Limey, but love your programmes, not least for the old movie clips you find to illustrate them. I presume the two Elisabethan era ships you show from the air were replicas of the Revenge and Mayflower, or something similar? But what of the la Sale movies? Were they historic reenactments, or taken from Hollywood thrillers? Same with the storms and the anxious crew in the Donner story - presumably old film noir clips? Really enjoyed it, yet again. And the indigenous peoples have my sympathy, they were abused wholesale.
As a Muskegon, MI native and resident... this was a must watch!!!
We put such importance on summer because we have to survive the winters! LOL
I like how the most replayed feature really just helps us see when the sponsored segment ends
Great story made better by your excellent narration voice 😊! You got my sub!
I really enjoy your channel😊
Wow, I am SO not used to you mentioning places I'm familiar with, I grew up outside of Milwaukee.
It was great content again. I had heard of none of these.
An old professor of mine from college once told me he likes to surf in Lake Superior and Lake Michigan. I maintain he's a madman, but he's still kicking, so obviously he's doing something right.