Why do the Taliban and ISIS Hate Each Other? | Islamist Civil War in Afghanistan 2014-2021
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The Taliban were until their recent victory in August 2021, the largest Islamist movement in Afghanistan, though since 2014 they've been competing with ISIS-K, a branch of the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria active in Afghanistan and the surrounding countries. But why do these two movements, who seemingly share such a similar fundamentalist and extreme interpretation of political Islam, hate one another so much?
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Timestamps:
0:00 - Intro
0:38 - Al-Qaeda vs ISIS
4:08 - MagellanTV Ad
4:56 - Start of the ISIS-Taliban War
7:40 - ISIS Retreat
8:36 - ISIS Regroup in the North
10:50 - A Lingering Threat
14:05 - The Future of the ISIS-Taliban War
15:40 - Outro
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It’s kind of mind-blowing that even the Taliban think that ISIS are psychos.
And Al Qaeda thinks Taliban are barbarians!!!
@@usmanzafar4751 They basically looked down on all Afghans in general. Classic prejudice. But yeah, the Taliban scared them.
@@usmanzafar4751 they have very relationship with each other...
@@pinpointshooter6074 al-qaeda stop supporting the Taliban for some reason
@@usmanzafar4751 al qaeda doesn't think the taliban are barbarians, if they did they wouldn't be celebrating the taliban victory in Afghanistan
"The enemy of my enemy is my friend." Taliban: I think the fuck not.
It is the opposite. Quite literally.
USA during the soviet afghan war: The enemy of my enemy IS my friend. Period. *Few years later* USA: wait no
@@belkYT They just used them for the cold war. When they needed Opuim and Oil they used them again as a reason.
The taliban has learn that it cuts both way.
@@ma-saracen No to get back against the soviets for Vietnam
The difference between ISIS and Taliban is that the Taliban has had enough time to develop a separate political apparatus to its armed forces - they simply arent just warlords but governments (as illegitimate as it may be) in their own right. ISIS on the other hand are just an amalgamation of warlords
I'd say the Taliban is pretty darn legitimate, seeing as they're the ONLY government.
Why is the Taliban illegitimate?
The Taliban is the legitimate government of Afghanistan.
The taliban formed to fight off warlords that were above punishment and they’re still at it 😂
They're legit government right now in Afghanistan
As a Muslim man it hurts me that my religion is viewed as a bunch of terrorists when in reality these idiots are a small portion of us that we don’t claim. Hopefully these groups end up being wiped or collapsing and the violence stops
I feel you man ...I really do..
Afghanistan is basically a free for all King of Kabul game since the 90ies. Taliban is leading in points an NATO just ragequit
Wow that’s surprisingly effective
The oldest anarchy server...
There is peace and sharia … so effectively setting Afghanistan back into the dark age
@Taiki hiko If people are killing themselves less that's nothing someone rational can get mad at...So no I'm not mad if that's the case. But walahi any place where you apply sharia law is going to take the place backwards not forwards academically... we will see what unfolds.
Well since the 80s then the Soviet Union rage quit
So much war in Afghanistan it’s so insane and sad for the civilians people who just wanted peace in their country.
Well the US and soviet union in the 70s amd 80s created the war hence the cold war. Blame mainly white people lets not forget colonialism. We'll never forget imagine how colored peoples amcestors feel just stop your leaders everytime they wamt to invade another country for so called humanitarian reasons lol or white imperialism
Truly sad really, let's hope there will be stability soon :/
@@ishrendon6435 Hot take
@@historywithhilbert146 Stability now means Taliban control over Afghanistan for the forseeable future. Stability are not inherently good. Only justice can bring real peace
@@historywithhilbert146 I say the USA hops back in some time in the future
Nothing but sympathy for the civilians of Afghanistan. Many tourists, American, European and Asian all talk of how kind the Afghanis are. They talk about how many Afghanis won’t take your money and insist on giving you what you want, as you are a guest in their country
I have sympathy for them too, but your claim about the people just giving you whatever you want and not wanting your money is not the least bit accurate. The majority of them live in poverty and people will frequently approach you and ask for money
@@bumpyinspace_ Just like in our society, the poorest of the poor will beg with no shame.
@@zobius9191 but unlike our society, the majority of afghans live in abject poverty and have absolutely nothing. Additionally, if you are an obvious foreigner, you can’t stay in one location too long or members of the Taliban will come and interrogate you/ detain you. Your description is just not a good representation of Afghanis
india created islamic state khorasan province. india funds islamic state khorasan province
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'Why do they hate each other?" Because the leaders of both want to rule and gain the power and wealth that comes with it. Neither side care about Islam, it's just a means to an end.
That is brilliantly put!
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Taliban isnt so bad. Comon.
”Power corrupt us all"
@@user-uo9on4kk3m you are khawarij
IS-K might be more correct to use since ISIS-K would mean Islamic State of Iraq and Syria-Khorasan meanwhile IS-K means Islamic State-Korasan
Maybe, but that's what they call themselves. If you don't like it you gotta complain to the terror organisation, not the media outlets :P
Ehh, like most Western understandings of the Muslim world. It’s incredibly over simplified on purpose
@@Nabium they call themselves IS tho, nothing else
@FEAR KCP I can't find a single source for that. I can only find quotes of ISIL members calling it either just Wilayah Khorasan, or calling it daish.
I use Daesh because it seems the more widely-accepted moniker by the people actually having to deal with them.
The Muslim World is just like an endless series of World of Warcraft expansions.
The world* the TB wouldn’t have existed if they wouldn’t have been bothered, and IS wouldn’t have existed if it weren’t for the west
@@observeurr while I agree with your sentiment (I.E the U.S has brought this onto themselves through destructive foreign policy and murder of innocent civilians) historically speaking what you are saying is not true.
@@observeurr The Islamic State definitely would of existed without the west.
@@tythorn13 no kzhead.info/sun/o96mf5qKjqtnqXA/bejne.html
@@tythorn13 ISIS was literally a reaction to the US invasion of Iraq, the Syrian civil war, and ultimately the Sykes-Picot borders and European meddling in the Middle East since the age of Imperialism and the Cold War
My humanities professor visited Afghanistan in 2007, He was fortunate enough to interview members of the Taliban, he was welcomed and treated with respect in the small village he settled in for 3 days, he was vetted before he conducted his interview, he was not allowed to record/film anything, for obvious reasons, but he said it was by far one of the most educational experience he’s ever had about the Muslim world. He didn’t feel threatened at all but he was also very open minded about what they had to say and their beliefs.
Okay, but what did he learn?
Lol f*** the Taliban.
A lot about their ideology he didn’t really go into detail, he generally summarized his experience very neutrally, it was a big class and he didn’t want to risk offending anyone. It’s a sensitive topic bud, you’ll find hard to believe this, but he legit had 2 Muslim students drop the class for the fact he went to interview them, idk why, I don’t care why. He did say he learned a lot about the soviet intervention in the 70s and how all that rooted in place to what the taliban is now.
Also it was 15 years ago, my memory is shot to Sh*t from that discussion, I just remember a few things. Not a whole lot
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It's like the old popular saying "You either die a villain.. or live long enough for a branch of you to split off creating a bigger villain and you end up a hero in comparison."
"excuse me, are you the Judean people's front?" "**** off! we're the people's front of Judea!"
SPLITTER!
"Judean People's Front suicide attack, go!"
yes, but plot twist: it's intentional
@@solgato5186 "fu*king splitters"!
Lol I was hoping sum1 would make a Life of Brian reference
Afghans don’t draw their flag, they write it.
I mean, that's unironically accurate, something about images of Mohammad being wrong, so they write stuff instead.
Sigma males
@@uniuni8855 sigma taliban, defeats beta USA
@@aytj2073 Beta USA can't do much against Sigma Taliban's ✌️🗿.
@@firstconsul7286 it's not just Mohammad pbah . the act of imitating life is a sin in Islam that is why mosques are not decorated with paintings and statues like a church . so we developed our skills in geometry and fonts to decorate mosques in fascinating ways without images.
One correction, the US drone strikes in response to the ISK bomb didn't hit militants. It murdered an entire innocent family
Theyd be militants now
Even though it’s probably true is that actually true?
A very informative video. Good job and thank you.
bloody hell, what an absolute shit show. my heart goes out to the folk who just want to live their lives in peace.
@Ballah 666 Yes, they do.
@Ballah 666 I'm not claiming, or at least not trying to claim, that every person in the region has no desires beyond "living their life in peace" - what I'm saying, and what the original comment is saying, is that there most certainly are a fair few people in that region who desire just that: To no longer live their lives in a warzone where they're at constant risk of getting shot, bombed or otherwise murdered, be it by the US and its allies or by these radical, far-right Islamist groups that the US helped kickstart in order to thwart the USSR during the cold war. A fair few of them also carry a grudge. I'd argue that given how hard they got screwed over, that's quite reasonable too. I don't think its particularly productive, but I can definitely understand it. And I also suspect that for most of them, the desire to not get killed in a warzone again outweighs the grudge they've got. I sure as hell hope so at least. Otherwise this mess is only going to get worse still. And its already more than bad enough as is.
It's an Islamic county, by law you can't live your life in peace because there's no freedom of speech, opinion or religion and those that don't conform to the social norms get punished.
@s2276 Malaysia is secular to a degree, Afghanistan is not. How would someone be treated if they left Islam? How would a Muslim woman be treated if she married a non Muslim man? How would someone be treated if they criticized Islam? What happens to someone from a Muslim family if they came out as LGBT? I'm from Afghanistan, I grew up in a Muslim household, you probably did too, so let's not bullshit ourselves and admit that if Islamic law was implemented people wouldn't have much individual freedom
@s2276 I'm not talking about how we were raised, I just brought that up to confirm we both know Islamic law, my family wasn't strict either. What I'm talking about is how much personal freedom one has under a nation that strictly follows Islam, which honestly isn't much. And as for the questions I asked, you should answer all of them and you'll get what I mean, as for the one question you answered, I accept that and I agree, unfortunately that doesn't mean much when 95% of Muslims believe otherwise and would happily go chop chop, same criticism. But that's besides the point
Take a shot of whiskey every time he says the word “Taliban”
Probably be more appropriate to smoke a hit of opium.
Modern people don’t smoke opium. But they do do heroin!
@@KarryKarryKarry pop a vicodine for every Taliban?
One mustn't shot whiskey, tf
Take a shot if he says isis or Taliban
Very fascinating video. Very informative. Keep up the good work.
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Feels like no matter how many videos I watch about this part of the world, I never feel like I understand it much better than before. But still thank you for this video. Very educational
To sum up shortly, Al Quada and ISIS are terrorist groups, but ISIS wants to be ruling one so Al Quada would be under ISIS control which did not agree so they fight who is ruling one, also both of them wage holy war against Christians, bomb and kill their own people who are disbeliever of this or who do not agree, they're intention is to make havoc everywhere, in other hand Taliban purpose is to control Afganistan as Government with strict Islamic laws, they not declared any holy wars on west because its not they're main objective, they fight ISIS because they are fanatic group and they destabilize everything where they come, and want to controll everything and wage this holy war and push this mentality everywhere witch taliban does not agree with.
It's seems like tribal problems that have been going on forever. They just keep coming up with different reasons to beef.
@@BLOCKBOI3RD Honestly hate to say it but this might be the best description of the history of the region.
@@kraigisboss backwards culture is keeping them behind
Study Islamic history and get to know the Umayyad empire vs the Abbasid empire. It will bring you closer at least. History can connect many dots.
The video needs to be updated - the part about the USA conducting a drone strike against IS militants. Thats been proven to be inaccurate. The man was a US aid worker unloading water jugs from his car. The strike killed him along with 7 of his children.
@@name_dropper8112 yes
Was that the video of the USA helicopter open firing on the camera crew and then when they civilian van arrived to help they shot that up and a soldier found a child gravely injured and they weren't even gonna medi vac it
@@luppi5152 No, it was the recent one put out by the NY Times. It really goes to prove this administrations incompetency
Kinda funny how the US news covered that story. If they hadn't, you wouldn't even know about it
US is a diverse country, only because their 1% is a warmonger, doesn't mean the citizen is the same. That's why there's divide in the US
"When proven wrong, the wise man will correct himself and the ignorant will keep arguing" - Ali ibn Abi Talib
Abi... Talib 😂
Taliban are the ones im rooting for
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@@goingmonotheist783 talib means student
@@maazali1338 عارف 😇
Thanks for this great piece of history knowledge
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This is excellent historical knowledge. ✌️
"Who are u" "IMU" - Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan Sorry I couldn't help it.
Thats actually good!
No you!!!
@@bo4Elite Dang boi!!!🙏👍👍👍👍👍🤣🤣🤣
no, IM me! who are YOU?
Ha!
Correction, we didn't kill any militants in that missile strike after the airport bombing. We killed 10 civillians including 7 children
This isn't something new civilians have been killed in drone strikes since 2001
@@Kriegter Started under Obama. Trump stopped it. Then Biden is continuing where Obama left of
You saw an opportunity to preach trumpology and you took it
@@Bullboy_Adventures Trump won 2020 by a landslide.
@@georgelincolnrockwell4659 Keep telling yourself that bud. Whatever makes you feel better
Thanks for explaining this
very insightful
My favorite part of this video is that in all of the media you do not hear of any of this at all and now they are claiming ISIS and the Taliban are allies against the US when they would rather work with the US than each other and do not even know how bad the system is between the fighters and their politicians on both sides. Thank you for this video it explains a lot about the conflict that answers some things for me that the news apparently could not figure out.
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Recent wars infos is hard to get nowadays, how tf is that possible? Double agents?
Only people I would pay any mind to are actual soldiers that fought there. If they say those guys were fighting against America in unison than that's all I need to know. It's extremely arrogant to pretend we know when if we never laid boots on that ground and witnessed it.
You are correct, the news does this with everything. Instead of providing details they give the simple version which leads to problems.
@@nssupremacy_4281 The information is out there. Where do you think this video got its information.
US: We don’t negotiate with terrorists. Hilbert: Hold this video.
American government is the biggest terrorist organisation,so yes
We don't negotiate with terrorists. We only create them and fund them.
It's because thier definition of "terrorist" changes according to the need of US defence policy .
Updated version: "We don't negotiate with terrists. We fund them or turn a blind eye to our middle eastern allies who fund them"
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Thank you for the video
Fantastic video!
The main reason for the Al-Qaeda relationship with the Taliban is because of the tribal ties due to marriage, since many foreigner Arabs came to Pashtun Afghanistan during the Soviet invasion and married into the tribes, which afforded them certain tribal rights and protections. This is why this new generation of Al-Qaeda doesn't care for the Taliban anymore, those ties are largely a thing of the past, outside of the senior leadership of AQ
I hate saying this, but that's what went wrong with that gangs in thr US.... once is spirals out of control there isn't much to do.
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I am from Afghanistan and this is simply untrue. the taliban had no interest in al qaeda, it defined itself as an Afghan/regional power not interested in foreign issues. Adding to that Pashtun women do not marry outside due to tribal allegiances. The Taliban did not care about Al Qaeda they cared about not looking like a puppet and giving protection to guests
@@MeffrgtikiiiPashtun women do marry outside. Many of my Punjabi family have married Pashtuns. Tribal allegiances aren’t as important anymore
@@RoyalRahimwhy do you lie lol
The answer is fairly obvious. One group solemnly believes it is a shoe. The other group is utterly convinced it is a sandal.
So, what now? What now is the question... Some has to re-start the war in one shape or another, seeing how they need to be stopped, duh. Those literal, genuine Barbarians plan to solidify and then spread Misogny and even by their own direct (chillingly casual!!!) admittance: Stoning and such as a Law-System. ??
Lol
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Go Chimpokemon! Defeat the evil power! I choose Shoe! 👞
Wow this is surprisingly informative. Keep up the good work man.
Thank you!
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Excellent explanation.
The Taleban are a nationalistic movement and does not care much for what happens outside the borders of Afghanistan. Ideologically speaking they are different too. The Taleban are hanafi and have Sufi tendencies much like the rest of the people of Afghanistan, although they are more strict in their understanding of the shariah. As for isis they are salafis and they have virtually no support amongst the people of Afghanistan. Also, Fata is a territory inside Pakistan, but whose people are tribal Afghans.
Isis are not salafis. Salafis or ahl hadith are orthodox. Calling isis salafis is dangerous to orthodox Muslims. Isis are kharijis
@@mahamedjmal2536 Isis are the violent version of the pacifist salafis. It is the salafi thought that has enabled the ideologies of Al qaeda and isis.
@@matikhorasani3842 i don't agree that isis is salafi, although they call themselves like this
@@mahamedjmal2536 salafis are people who don’t follow the four imams so you can say they are salafis however taliban are deobandis
@@rumeysaolkay it's not according to Wikipedia or whatever
I wish you had mentioned that a drone strike after the Kabul attack actually killed children and aid workers transporting water, not militia. The US recently 'apologized' for the oversight.
The apologies are never given any attention....... Like the gold and money story (proven fake by taliban media spokesman) found in Amrullah Saleh house
@@Nawabid this is funny as fuck
@@woekoa it was lol
@@Nawabid Your might have to change your profile name...
@@youssafsu2307 come again?
Great video
It's kinda hilarious that once the Taliban came in control of Afghanistan they have trouble actually controlling the country because of terrorism. I imagine a Smug American talking to a Taliban diplomat seeking for aid like "it really sucks doesn't it?"
Political divisions are something that exists in all countries and throughout all Ages. The difference is that in capitalist countries people are guided intellectually and their ideas are controlled using schools and the media, then they are disarmed in order to leave them naked in the face of power in order to ensure that they do not rebel, while the Taliban allows every Muslim to freely formulate his political ideas without controller
one of the best history youtubers iv found keep up the great research, scripting and visuals
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His research is painstaking.
I love how you work hard to pronounce foreign words. You sir are a treasure to the KZhead community with your brief history and animations. Thanks a bunch!
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He got the pronunciation wrong though. That is not the native pronunciation of alqaeda.
I speak Arabic, and if a non-Arabic speaker is saying it, we don't expect them to pronounce it on point. What matters is the English pronunciation in this case.@@St0ckwell
Good stuff 👍🏼☝🏼
Enlightening
Thanks for sharing this information. Very intresting stuff. Great video.
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@PaniK What? You ok?
@PaniK Not only have I "seen" them but I was with them in Panjshir..............
@PaniK MORDAGOWi runs in your blood...
@PaniK I am also Ahl Al-bayt........ LOL Dude just stop trust me, So selling your madars kuss is ok? Islamically speaking
@PaniK Bro the Taliban are wahhabis NOT MUSLIM..... Look at the Flags of Saudi Arabia (A HUB FOR WAHHABI) then look at the flag of Taliban.... Then look at the flag of ISIS who they support.. on ISIS flag it just says "RASOUL MUHAMMAD" Thats a blatant disrespect to the prophet lol What did the prophet (blessings and peace be upon him) do one one day when we was about to step up to the membar?? When he took the last 3 steps he S.A.W. he replied "AMEN, AMEN, AMEN". later the sahabi asked him, when took the membar he did something he normally never did, HE SAID "JIBEREL A.S. CURSED 3 TYPES OF PEOPLE AND I VOUCHED THEM" WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE CURSED BY JIBREEL A.S. AND THE PROPHET PBUH AFFIRMED??? When the name of the Prophet is mentioned and they don't say these simple words :"Sallallahu alaihi wasallam" Jibreels curse is on that man and I affirm it. ISIS on purpose wrote "Rasoul MUAHMMAD" look any hadiths and any other writings when the prophets name is mentioned you will see "Sallallahu alaihi wasallam". The people you SUPPORT call my family of SAYEDS a "KAFIR"...lol
Admire you for being able to pull together a cohesive timeline from all this confusing history.
The fact this war in Afghanistan has been going on for decades is just sad and pathetic. I don’t think these countries will honestly ever be the same with constant war happening 🤦🏽♂️
Loving these very modern topics. Good explanation of complicated realities.
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Good stuff! You're bringing relatively unknown information to eager info-seekers :)
VICE and Wisecrack do the same...
@@slevinchannel7589 that’s western propaganda lol
Have been forgetting to watch this for a month. Was watching an interview with Pastor Ssempa. Saw the moving text below about the Haram and the Boko and the organization of it. Finally see this video and remember to watch. That one is mentioned here too. The text said 22 fighters were unalived in Nigeria
Funfact: Alqueda was the name of Laden family house in Yemen So when Osama came in Afghanistan he named his place Alqueda and welcomed everyone as his guests including arab and foreign mujhadeens
Good job dude. Very informative video.
14:44 By drone striking 7 children and an aid worker, admitted by Marine Gen. Frank McKenzie
What a terrible accident! I imagine if this was a more common practice the taliban would have unending support from the families of these victims
@@juanguzman9031 accident? I don't think so
@@juanguzman9031 They are already largely supported by the rural parts of Afghanistan, drone strikes like the one mentioned in the video were common place in daily life.
You know they train their children to kill just like in Vietnam so it's sad knowing you're trying to help a child knowing one might pull out an uzi on you at any moment or denote an IED with a cell phone while your back is turned, I didn't learn that about Viet name until I was older I did throw up for about 20 minutes after my first brother in law told me, and that was after I asked him about it after a show on PBS.
I'm pretty sure those are two different incidents in different parts of the country.
Great Intel report. As salamu alaykum ❤
i love how to "most replayed" part of the video is the skipping of sponsor XD
15:31 Lol it's funny how you made speech bubbles on the terrorists in the outro 😂😂😂
There are differences of ideologies between ISIS and Taliban. These ideologies that makes majority of Muslim supports Taliban but not ISIS. ISIS kills anyone that is not professing Islam and those who do not support their causes. If you are a Muslim (meaning someone that professes Islam), but you do not support their cause, you can be ruled out by them as non-muslim, meaning that your blood is 'halal' to be spilled by them. This of course contradicted with the teaching of Quran and hadis of prophet Muhammad S.A.W. Isis took pieces of quranic recitation and hadis that seems to legalised their causes and brainwash the youth for radicalism while at the same time abandoning the rest of the quranic recitation that forbid forcing other people to accept Islam. Meanwhile, Taliban fights for the freedom of Afghanistan, but at the same time following Quran and hadis very strictly. You wont be killed just because you are a non-muslim. When ISIS rose to power, the controlled area of Taliban in Afghanistan were further reduced and obliterated because people started to have separate ideologies. Hence, they fought against each other.
the difference is ISIS kill any one who don't join them and we moslims prefer the white colour that the other niled black
That is a lie, they do not deem unsupportive Muslims as unbelievers, if that was the case they'd be bombing in downtown Sunni cities, which they don't, you have lied. As for taking verses and leaving some, then this is literally what all Muslims scholars do to derive rulings, as one newer verses override the older, a verse in Surat At-Tawbah (The verse of the Sword) is taken over Surat Al-Kafirun for example, and there is no difference of opinion amongst the scholars of this religion regarding this, that Surat Al-Kafirun is abrogated. so again you are ignorant, spreading ignorance. Stay on video games and anime, better than speaking of what you do not know, you never know which wrong word will land you in the Hellfire.
Stop lying, Sheikh Al-Adnani said he will defend the Sunnis even if they hate it , taliban Protect Shias Who Insult Prophet wife and imam malik said The land in which Abu Bakr and Omar are insulted cannot live in it , it Looks like U don't know anything About islam
Isis use Islam as a scape way to kill people for no reason
@@disastrous5556 sheikh al adnani also said anyone who fight isis is falling in ridda. Look at شمس الدين videos part 1 and 2 about isis where he destroy they're flawed contradicting values.
The level or greediness in this world is of another level.Two freedom fighters and both hate each other and yet claiming they fight for the same course.
You seem wrong! They don't fight for the same course. And IS-K is not freedom fighters
A conflict in which the Taliban, the US, and Iran were technically on the same side. That breaks my brain slightly.
Your research skills are crazy!
"...When religion and politics travel in the same cart, the riders believe nothing can stand in their way. Their movements become headlong - faster and faster and faster. They put aside all thoughts of obstacles and forget the precipice does not show itself to the man in a blind rush until it's too late..." Bene Gesserit Coda
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taliban are mostly political, they use religion as moral boost.
@@125discipline2 Anything to help your precious fucking Islam save face, right?
Yeah and without it superpowers can just nuke the fuck outta their enemies 🤣🤣
Neither of these sides use actual religious law. They make up the the law and throw in some Muslim things in the middle like not drinking etc. then they say they are following shariah (when they most certainly aren’t)
As I understand it, the main Taliban groups were set up and initially financed by the Pakistan ISI. The ISI has incredible behind-the-scenes power and influence in Pakistani and very much follows it own agenda. They seem to be the driving force behaving the continuing conflicts with India also.
If you believe ISI was behind Taleban, then you believe in Western Propaganda. I know ISI supported them in 1994 against warlords but when the US invaded Afghanistan TTP ( Tekrik e Taliban Pakistan) leaders gave Taliban leaders shelter especially to Haqqani Network in FATA and Taliban got ISI support after 2010
@@user-yc9uw8vy9f you’ve given no reason for me to ignore what credible (to me) sources have said. If you believe my understanding derives from “western propaganda”, then why should we not think yours is propaganda from another source?
@@theofarmmanager267 he is right. Taliban was formed independently of ISI. You've been lied to. The US/NATO and the US-imposed ex Afghan govt and anti-Taliban like to push the ISI part but Afghan Taliban were independently formed and independent of ISI.
@@phoenixrising8640 perhaps I have been lied to; perhaps you are lying to me? What is the evidence that corroborates your assertion? A genuine questions on my part.
Go learn about “operation cyclone” to satisfy yourself 🤣 The mission itself is proudly claimed by the CIA Reliable enough?
3:16 you really went to town in that text XD
Realllly great video it actually helps to understand the important details while sifting through the bullshit, please keep making more.
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So basically a modern version of pre-Ottoman Empire politics in the middlen east. Or of pre-16th century Europe but with the different Muslim believes instead of the different Christian believes. Both work, really.
"When the black flags come from Khorasan go to them, even if you have to crawl on snow, for among them is the Khalifa from Allah, the Mahdi" this is a shit ideology
@@takiyaazrin7562 Man, I can see the appeal. Why live in reality when you can live in a fantasy adventure world instead? Populated by Mahdi's and Khorosans and snow and ice and Khalifas?
@@takiyaazrin7562 too many delusional islamist groups who wanted to be the one that was indicated by this hadith. A similar prophesy was also been made, and it actually came true, like the fall of Constantinople. "One day Constantinople will be conquered, the commander is a great commander he is, the soldiers are great soldiers they are. (Narrated by Imam Ahmad 4/235). Ironically, the hadith itself is dhaif (weak) and its validity has been attested by various scholars
@@takiyaazrin7562 lol you butchered that one at least get the statement correct before embarrassing yourself
@@rebelwind6474 the black flags are from khurasan a specific place not iraq or Afghanistan..
I guess it’s kinda like that stereotype of Catholics and Protestants hating each other, but taking it WAYYY EXTREME
A lesser evil is still evil, but I’d be damned if I don’t root for the better side of a conflict.
Kind of funny that the Taliban are dealing with an Islamist Insurgency. Not gonna lie, not a twist I saw coming.
Thank you Hilbert, love me a 15’ geopolitics-history freshen’up!
shut up
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This still shocks me. I thought they would work together, but then again they have different motivations. Now that the Taliban have American equipment they can fight more stronger (maybe).
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There were quite a few funny periods in time where there were multiple competing Caliphs, which was interesting. That said Catholicism had like 3-4 popes at one point, with a few more scattered around other branches of christianity, so it all balances out hahaha
I think it was 2 during the western schism one at Avignon the other in Rome
@@bobmorane2082 nah that happened often in the times of the Holy Roman Empire
@@praisethesun.praisedeussol6051 he said Catholic and no I don’t know of any period of multiple Pope but the Avignon
@ابو أسلم البربري Abbasid are Persian but ruled from Bagdad just to point out they aren’t Arab
@@bobmorane2082 Does it matter if there Arab? Like are other none Arab races treated differently compared to full blooded Arab ones in the caliphate.
I’m so glad I found this channel, it’s amazingly educational and I’m able to watch it with my kids.
Tell you kids that non of the people in these so-called "Islamic groups" are even close to being muslims...
Your Arabic pronunciation is very good 👍👍
You know terrorism is bad when the terrorists start counter-terrorist operations
The taliban were never classified as terrorists
You may disagree with them on some part But calling the Taliban as terrorists is wrong
Afghanistan is literally the embodiment of Game of Thrones today.
Except all the sex scenes are bacha bazi 😂
True. The Gandhar curse is real.
@@Aspire85 Those are happening too but not shown in news for obvious reasons.
@@Aspire85 bruh those probably happens with harems since a muslim can have 4 wives
But with forced child marriages, and suicide bombing!
The Western world freaked out when Afghanistan fell to the Taliban, thinking it's the worst. But reality is that Taliban is relatively tame compared to ISIS. This new generation of Taliban is even more moderate than the previous pre 9/11 generation.
But are they tech savvy like ISIS? Probably not, but they enjoy ferris wheels.
Because ISIS is basically just what US did with the cartels.
Not really.
No, not at all tame. Maybe a lesser evil, but no where near as tame as you put it. Islam, I respect the faith. But these warlords and despots need to be rooted out. You don't see Christians forming these gorilla terrorist cults in the west, because there is no need. I say that lightly as the west falls to degeneracy but still, there is no need. God and morality above all else
@@somniumisdreaming How so?
It helps them a lot the fact that they had previous experience as a government. They're basically picking from where they left.
i worked with a 17 year old women her parents were afgan she was westernized. She had an arranged marriage to this guy she left oneday to get married and move to afgan. I hope shes doing good
Same, my family was always right with how they treat women, I hope it's the same for her since I don't know much about how traditional afghans are with their culture.
Not w3ll I would imagine. The twliban is pushing sharia law, has stopped women working and even going to school now. Back to the hell for women in Afghanistan.
I wouldn't call 'Al Qaeda in Iraq' unknown before ISIS, if you read 'Task Force Black' they appear and are a central target of SAS and Jsoc operations. Also their founding leader appeared to consider Bin Laden too moderate in their interactions before 9/11. It's an overwhelmingly nebulous and complex situation.
They were only part of Al-Qaeda for 2 years, before it was independent and they split off into the "Islamic State of Iraq" in late 2006/2007 (albeit media continuously referred to them as Al-Qaeda until 2013)
@@hassanibnalotaibiyya4271 They went by more than a dozen different names before ISIS stuck.
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@@hassanibnalotaibiyya4271 yep they were known as Mujahideen Shura Council before the Zarqawi died in 2006
Just like Captain America: The Civil War, but instead of Captain America, we get Captain Afghanistan
More like major Mohamed or admiral Afghanistan
We actually did have a real life Captain Afghanistan. He was called "Ahmad shah Massud". unfortunately he died in a suicide attack, a day before 9/11
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wasn't aware they did, but thanx for the laugh 🤣
This is crazier than the fighting between the Judean People's Front and the People's Front of Judea.
Excellent summary of a very complex subject. I had no idea just how many Islamist factions there were within modern Afghanistan. I was only familiar with the history up until the 1990s and the 2001 US invasion. Evidently much has changed since then.
There are some mistake and misunderstanding of you Isis are not Muslim everyone know in Afghanistan that's why this idealogy didn't work in Afghanistan US wanted make Afghanistan second Iraq and Syria to replace Isis in Afghanistan but failed When Taliban and Afghan army together were fighting against Isis and defeated in the Kunar province so Taliban try to arrest them alive but US helicopters came and took them up and brought them to US army bases every single person knew about this case in Afghanistan. ISIS the full form is ( Israel Special Intelligence Section) Which is both Musaad and CIA operational squad to destroy and make weak those Muslims countries which are against Israel in the Madle East
@@mohamedafghan1440 Sorry mate, that’s an insane conspiracy theory. ISIS are radical Islamic terrorists that originated in Jordan, Syria, and Iraq.
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@@mohamedafghan1440 how did the igil appear?
Mean they basically all the same just different names they all route from the mujahideen
This is like nazis fighting fascists.
More like the Strasserism conflict with the wider National Socialist Ideology
watch the islamic state video on the gold dinar, very true facts about the federal reserve and weimar
Strasserism: Taliban National Socialism: Al-Qaeda Burgundian System: ISIS
@@orrorsaness5942 not really. The nazis purged the strasserists whereas al qaeda and the taliban are allies and believe more or less the same thing. If we're making tno references its more like al qaeda is goring and the taliban is bormann
The nazis fighting fascists kind of happened though. The anschluss of Austria where the national socialist Republic of Germany annexed the fascist state of Austria
Much as I love your videos, despite the title you only barely cover WHY they don’t like each other. What is the actual political and religious difference?
These groups can't even keep themselves together,we can't even tell which is which might as well destroy them all at this point.
Ahh... How the turn tables... I predicted this pretty much as soon as it became evident that the Taliban were going to "win" in Afghanistan.
I can't believe I'm saying this right now but I rather the Taliban win if it's ISIS they're fighting
@@Kriegter ISIS commits worst atrocities than the Taliban? I thought all terrorists are about equal in terms of atrocities
@@Kriegter You know it's really bad when you support the Taliban.
@@Kriegter Better the devil you know.
Michael is that you?
All the smaller tribal allegiances make things even more complicated over there too as if it wasn't complicated enough
It's just a Cluster fuck
@@matteoaievola8643 unfortunately so
And THEN they shift allegiances all the time, so take what you said and square it.
@@Elendrian yeah, it's hardly a wonder it's nigh on impossible to force regime change over there, it's a different way of thinking-many people in Afghanistan don't think about centralised government etc..and are far more localised, the countryside is far different than the cities for example. And then there's all the in-fighting-its a difficult place for an outsider to get their head around
@@teethgrinder83 Democracy can be supported, but not exported. This system of government is inherently reliant on a number of central institutions that require public trust, and a long period with which to build legitimacy. Those institutions have to be home grown in order to take root. It's for this reason that we see the nation building efforts of the United States in Korea, Germany and Japan were successful, but a disastrous failure in Afghanistan. Hindsight bias factors in of course, so I'm not trying to throw bombs and castigate previous administrations. I think we need to take this as a lesson in understanding both the limits of our foreign policy, and the nature by which democracies die, in order to look inwards are the problems facing our nation domestically.
fun note... taliban doesnt recruit outsider to fight for or with them. because they consider that jihad only for indegenious of Afghanistan because they are the one who got invaded by USA and USSR. they also fight within their border only and didnt bring it to other country(suicide bombing or mass killing)... including USA who invade them so thats another different between taliban and isis
Very god . Thank you
1, The Soldier holding the flag, around the 2 min area was in 2014. We didn't wear that uniform in 2003. 2, ISIS as formed off the backs out of Sadir City. They used the flag from Al-Zaquari and added to it. They weren't a threat until 2014.
"We",Hol'd up waita a minute
Press the breaks there Eddie. Who the fuck is "We"?
This is a fantastic and condensed lead up to the current situation. I wish more people critical of the U.S. withdrawal would have this information to draw a more informed conclusion.
Who needs to be wise when strategizing against Islamic nations? they ain't jews god forbid!
Yes, i agree, but ppl were mad n tired of American soldiers dying for no good reason in that country n so wanted the soldiers to return, as well as bcuz of 20+ yrs at war there.. USA did a poor job at explaining why it was important to help that country.. Trump didn't leave Afghanistan, Biden did but his dumbass ran like a bitch, Trump wanted a slower withdrawal with a limited but presence remain there to help stop any threat or invasion of another nation on them.. Trump also wanted that traitor president gone bcuz he suspected he was a coward pro talibum fool, n he was right.. But he did nothing as it was close to election year n ppl actually liked that guy bcuz they'd elected him democratically n suspected nothing bad of him.. Also, Afghans wanted the invaders gone after so much time, war n death, they had a strong military that coulda wiped the floor with any terrorists invaders but the gov was so corrupt n abandoned the military.. Also Biden is completely at fault for refusing to help the Afghan military n provide airstrikes against the terrorists when they were easy targets to kill..
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Now that I am better informed, I still think the US withdrawal was catastrophically mishandled.
How does this video mean anything about that? We left billions in weapons and left leaving no progress? We should have just never been there in the first place but hindsight is 20/20, but you cannot defend us just leaving everything there
I wonder what the people working at KZhead think about when this type of content comes rolling through. I wonder.
Very minor point: the Q in al Qaeda is pronounced with a clicking Q at the back of the mouth, not a KH.
Thank you for this because in the west it’s not explained that there different factions fighting in Afghanistan during this critical transfer of power.
Daesh will never prosper in Afghanistan. Most of its members in Afghanistan are from Sialkot, Bajur in Pakistan, and other foreign militants. Their sort of thinking will never take root in Afghanistan, Afghans are very experienced in the Jhadi field. TB are in every single Mosque and Madrasa in Afghanistan. The reason why Russia hosted the TB is because they knew the US was supporting them and they made a Russo-TB deal to fight Daesh in Afghanistan. The Former President of Afghanistan called Daesh a "tool of the US". The US was bombing TB not Daesh.
So... what now? What now is the question. Some has to re-start the war in one shape or another, seeing how they need to be stopped, duh. Those literal, genuine Barbarians plan to solidify and then spread Misogny and even by their own direct (chillingly casual!!!) admittance: Stoning and such as a Law-System. Seriously, it gave me goosebumps seeing an interview with one of them saying it more casual than any actor playing a s-killer ever could. And this is just mentioning a Bit of the Whole?
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Thank you for this very clear explanation of the power struggle between the Taliban and Isis K.
Afghanistan is the real Game Of Throne in reality, except there is no ending or finale season episode here
It's essentially because IS wants a global caliphate "expanding and remaining" whereas TB just wants Afghanistan. Hope it helps.