Prehistoric Warfare and the Origins of Conflict
Hello guys and welcome back to another installment of Trey the Explainer! In this episode I discuss “war” in anthropological and biological context as I try to breakdown and understand what this tendency of ours is all about. Hope you enjoy and learn something new!
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Sources:
War Before Civilization by Lawrence H. Keeley (1996)
Peace against war by Francis Beer (1981)
Effective sociodemographic population assessment of elusive species in ecology and conservation management by Josephine S. Head, Christophe Boesch, Martha M. Robbins, Luisa I. Rabanal, Lo€ıc Makaga & Hjalmar S. K€uh (2013)
Orangutan Home Range Size and Its Determinants in a Sumatran Swamp Forest by Ian Singleton and Carel P. van Schaik (2000)
Lethal aggression in Pan is better explained by adaptive strategies than human impacts by Michael L. Wilson et al. (2014)
Evolution of Coalitionary Killing by Richard W. Wrangham (1999)
Inter-group violence among early Holocene hunter-gatherers of West Turkana, Kenya by M. Mirazón Lahr et al. (2016)
Australia's Ancient Warriors: Changing Depictions of Fighting in the Rock Art of Arnhem Land, N.T. by Paul Taçon and Christopher Chippindale
Do Chimpanzee Wars prove violence is innate? by Rami Tzabar (2015)
In response to people pointing out requirement #1: "War must be between members of the same species" is perhaps a poor requirement, I can see your point. Odds are a scenario like a war between aliens and humans or Homo sapiens and Neanderthals would be considered a war. The requirement was made to differentiate "hunting" from warfare as most people wouldn't see game hunting and pest removal as wars. Defining biology is iffy as always. The list is probably problematic for many reasons and perhaps that's the point. War might just be one of those things that "you know it when you see it".
Another great video; keep up the good work!
Can you look at the Croods?
Also we use like.. dogs in war. And sometimes rats
I’ve heard tell of bonobos canabalizing one another I don’t know whether it’s true but this is curious.
Interesting to isolate wars to being inner species, but odd considering the great emu war.
Don't lie to us Trey, we all know war started in 1961 with the invention of video games.
😂
Ar you sure? Prehistoric evidences point to 'Gamer rage' even before our ancestors crawled out of the sea.
@@REX-gq6ur A fossil of a smashed controller was recently found next to a trilobite fossil
Guess now id the best time to say it: S O C I E T Y B O T T E M T E X T
：０
Aliens: " We announce a war on humanit-" Trey: "War can be fought only by between same species" Aliens: "Damn, he's good" **leave Earth** And so we were saved from extinction
100% historically true.
great emu war: *_oK_*
Heh
They are just looking for human aliens, like the empire or something
You are safe ... for now
early humans must have been incredibly paranoid. I can only imagine what kind of blessing and curse a developing consciousness must have been.
Developing modern consciousness likely involved an inversion in our primitive form of consciousness. A shift in perception from environment to more socially/culturally sensitive. It could have been schizophrenic and confusing.. or not. I'm just guessing.
@@KetsaKunta yeah. really hard to say. interesting to think about though!
@@KetsaKunta huh? wdym schizophrenic? "Is that civilization and social taboo i see? Am i hearing logic?? Man i must be going crazy" 🤔
developing? there is literally a new war just started. Human culture is evil dude.
@@Yh-kg8fr schizophrenic as in disorderly and confusing, not the mental illness
basically the pvp highlights of humanity
Everyone in the 20th century were desperately trying to beat Genghis Khan's high score (I call hacks).
I'm gonna top the leaderboard by the end of this century, just you watch
you play runescape? lol
We don't need to top Genghis Khan's top score, the META has changed a lot since then. Nowadays ending games desisively but with low kill score is better.
Seems like the 2020 patch has included a ton of overworld events trying to beat that highscore itself
Jon Snow: "There is only one war that matters. The Great War." (shows picture of an emu) "And it is here."
I literally lold
HoopsAndDinoMan oh my god it’s you!
November second nineteen thirty-two... That was the day the Emu's defeated Australia
No NOT THE EMUS!
The great emu war was terrible, those bloody birds
War... war never changes...... BUT HOW DID IT START? (Vsauce music starts)
"Hey, Mikesauce. V here."
Death Hunter 101 - Boy whatchu talkin bout. The sauce is forever
@Death Hunter 101 it will never die like Michael himself.
@Death Hunter 101 vsauce is immortal long live king Michael.
@Death Hunter 101 not in my memories, you can't take them away from me.
Pre-History is one of the most interesting times in human history. I am so glad I found this channel, these videos are so fun to watch.
Somethings not right I can feel it
It’s like the precum of history
@@genny1814 lmao
Hei på dei
Really? To me it's pretty boring and starts to get truly interesting when civilization starts
13:01 me trying to find a comfortable sleeping position.
I'm going to hell for laughing at this as loudly as I did
This was good sh*t.
XD
Okay I feel bad for laughing. Is it too soon? Is 10,000 years too soon?
LllllloooOOOOoOoooOoOOOOooooOooooooollll
Dont sugercoat, keep informing us. Thank you.
Thanks man, I'm happy you appreciate them :)
@@TREYtheExplainer I love it! Always enjoy watching new content. Whether it's new genres or paleontology.
TREY the Explainer this is one of the best videos yet
How do you sugercoat something?
@@spacemanapeinc7202 with sugar
War spelled backwards is “raw” and raw is pure and nothing is as pure as milk from a goat.
G S What the heck is that supposed to mean. 😂
@@Jobe-13 - It means that if you're not warring over goat's milk what are you even really doing with your life?
@@Jobe-13 War is goat milk done..
@@zero12304 War is goat milk gone bad..
Goat stands for "Greatest of all time". Guys, we're on presence of the greatest war ever.
David Graeber was preparing to write a book on the origins and history of warfare before he tragically passed. RIP. Wish we could have been able to share in his knowledge
Wouldn't of noticed if he did or not, now I do. Thanks for the insight 👍
That art at the end is freaking brutal, he is just sitting there accepting his fate
'chimpanzees are human's closest relative' bonobos cry in a corner somewhere every time they hear this
@Ńøt Ïdk but they have very different behavior and it's never really included into these discussions
Lol ! We have more in common with dinosaurs.
Ya Boii He made an entire video about humans being companionate to others! Humans ARE very violent. You can only expect violence in a 7 billion strong population. Not only that but 14,500 Wars is an insane number of wars. That’s not counting small acts of violence. We’ve hung people for being a different color. We’re violent.
Last I checked, the most probable phylogeny had Homo splitting from Pan before chimps and bonobos split from each other. So phylogentically speaking, humans are the same distance from both. Of course, the most recent common ancestor was probably more similar behaviour and/or physiology wise to one group... presumably chimps since they seem to have had a larger stable population that bonobos, but we don't really know. The differences between these clades are pretty small... If the folks doing the naming weren't human, I think it would be fair to name humans Pan sapiens ;)
Nope. Hearing it pisses them off and they go into a frenzy of fucking.
The Emu war is the pinnacle of Australian feats.
Maybe. Emu's won you know.
I hope not lol, the australians lost
Yes I know we lost against an animal called a Emu but they are pretty fast and can take a small caliber bullet and keep running.
Pinnacle? I hope your joking, Emu war was just farmers helped by the military attempting to decimate a large number of native birds because they were eating their crops. Not surprising for fuckwitt Australian farmers considering they have no respect for the environment and have caused the extinction and degradation of many native animals, the thylacine being the most notable.
@@joshuakarmann7488 Back in those days people didn't really think of the conservation of species or the environment as important as we do now. Nowadays a fair amount of farmers do care about the environment. And even though any type of farming is going to be at the expense of the natural habitat it's not really the farmers' fault, we have to eat. Obviously there're exceptions where farmers just do things that are really shit for the environment to cut costs or whatever but they aren't all fuckits is what I'm saying
Early close combat: haha rock on stick make head go crunch
I hope your embarrassed
Zig Zug returns to his cave with a bloody rock: “Guys I just invented murder.”
Ugg returns with a series of heads "And I invented the kill streak!"
Aah returns with a bamboo stick "I invented the AK-47 use it in schools!"
Every fact channel: hAvE yOu hEaRd oF tHe wAr wE LoSt tO eMuS
wE = Australians. coz wE were busy making psychedelic songs.
@@AmritZoad tame impala baby
Dude the Americans would have aced that war! Just saying
@@communistcomputergod6449 *Vietnam has joined the chat*
@@communistcomputergod6449 14% of americans can't read
To be honest, I think you should’ve discussed the wars of ants and other eusocial insects, as they cause massive death and damage, but are fought by nests and territory gained and lossed.
I_am A_Lizard Dude no one cares about ants
So they live constant trench warfare, thousands of individuals for inches of land
I_am A_Lizard I can understand that, seeing they have a sort of hierarchy.
@@coolmanyea5030 Ants are extremeley interesting
@@GingeyBoi57 I love ants
“War must be between members of a sane species” *laughs of thousands of emus can be heard from Australia*
How can you be so cruel? My father died in the Great Emu War. All emus are bastards.
Perry Dowd how does someone die from an emu?
@@pogmonke5217 He wasn't killed by the Emus. He choked on a sock, but it was during the Emu War.😂🤣
Perry Dowd I’m even more confused now, why was he even eating a sock in the first place?
@@pogmonke5217 He wasn't eating the sock. The sock was on the washing line.
War changed a lot from ww1 to ww2 to now, let alone from the stone age. Tactics per se don't but technology does. That's why Alexander's and Hannibal's and Napoleon's tactics are still studied today or widely regarded as genius.
do you still think the same after seeing the ukr-rus war? i know there are technological advances but still looks a ton like ww2
@@facuufernandezz5070also ww1, they are un a trench warfare now
@@facuufernandezz5070 yeah I remember all those ww2 drones
@@ifyouseekay1000 befofe drones there was the v 2 XD. or cas. now it is drones because it is "safer" and cheaper
Grom:give shiny rock Brum:no *Marvel civil war intro play's*
It is now a red shiny rock
@Bo Spoonson I guess they were a DC fan.
play's
Play’s
@@humbleguardsman5578 I guess you could say they were a *BC* fan
I'd like to point out that samurai beheading their opponent wasn't seen as cruelty. They would often bury their opponents heads, as a sign of them returning them to the earth. It was a sign of respect as opposed to a sign of cruelty.
It is arguable whether the intentions behind specific acts should matter in terms of how we qualify them in retrospect i.e cutting someone's head off is cruelty no matter what the perpetrator might think about his deed. Otherwise, we could also argue that Spartans (we know it's a myth) weren't cruel towards their sickly kids, they were simply preserving the "purity" of their civilization by keeping sickness at bay. The most horrific acts imaginable are always carried out with the best intentions, does that make them any less horrific? Not really. Eh... just a detail.
@@ICreatedU1 Cutting someone's head of is not cruelty, it is normal
@@ICreatedU1 In the context of a fight to the death between trained combatants, a beheading might actually be an act of mercy.
they even washed their heads before battle so when the enemy takes the samurai's head, it would smell nice at least
Yeah, they would perfume it so that the enemy would be seen at their best at a head collecting ceremony.
My lecturer is Ronika Power, she worked on the Nataruk in 2016. She's an amazing academic and associate-professor at Macquarie University. She actually just featured her work as a case study of a massacre due to warfare this year, so well done.
I really love how it feels like you are talking slow but still fit so much information in. I usually feel overwhelmed by fast talker in these videos, and barely recall anything, but you manage to fit so much information in quickly without it feeling stuffy
In the grim darkness of the Paleolithic there is only war.
Grug wants shinies, and Huti has shinies, Grug throw stick on Huti Huti dies but Grug has shinies.
Warhammer 40k BCE?
Since time immemorial, the Grug Emperor of Homo Sapiens has sat immobile on his Stone Throne
the emperor protects
Damn I hate to see how the Orks are doing?! They're always a bit more primitive than the other factions.
2:47 : what is war? my brain: 🎶baby don't hurt me🎶
Just why? WHYYY?
I think war is better defined as violent conflict between two organized social groups undertaken to dominate or prevent domination of resources or social traditions. Love your videos.
I saw you spoke about ants creating wars and couldn’t help but comment about it. In many species of ants (I’ll use lasius as my example), multiple queens will dig a nest together even though the species is not polygynous (doesn’t have colonies with multiple queens). Eventually, often when the queens have hatched their first workers, the ants realise that they have to only have one queen in a colony. Although generally all ants have a mutual decision and even the queen’s own workers will attack their mother, sometimes it does not work out that way. Of course, there are also the constant battle for territory over many ants, especially formica species, since every winter the boundaries are erased by snow and ice, and they have to battle to recreate those borders. Interestingly, some colonies of formica rufra have created an interconnected supercolony, so that they can live in relative peace and not have to battle every spring. I now realise I am obsessed with ants...
me too
Ants and Co. So what happens to the ants after the other queens are killed? Do they form this super-colony? (Although, I guess you couldn’t really call it that if there’s only one queen, right?)
I found the topic mature and enlightening, please do not shy away from covering such topics and stay neutral because I found it very fascinating. Thanks!
Ditto~!!!
Honestly ancient warfare is something that fascinates me too. Imagine if they had stuff like HEMA or different schools of war adapted to a tribe's own weapon style.
Rickarama Trama Well put. I agree wholeheartedly.
Neutral? Dude is clearly anti-war
I mean yeah, his videos are pretty epic. But there's also *a lot* of literature on these subjects you can occupy yourself with.
I loved that illustration of the massacre, I was really taken by the designs of the warriors. Turns out I've read Prophet and I loved Simon's art in that, so it all makes sense!
the so called unnecessary violence was also common in many other native tribes around the globe. it was simply the fear of revenge. thats why ALL members of a competing tribe were killed, except young females in a certain age that could be integrated in the tribe. it was extremely cruel but it was necessary to survive, i believe
You completely forgot dolphins dolphins have been shown to utilize coalition violence
So have wolves
@@jamesricker3997 he mentioned wolves.
They know how to drown sharks. They also rape female dolphins.
@g bat Don’t forget impregnating human females to make the dolphin master race.
@@501ststormtrooper9 they have succeeded a long time ago
Caveman 1: u stick... give... Caveman 2: no....
Caveman 1: Hi say Rock Caveman 2: oof
Caveman 1: ur mom gay Caveman 2: no u... **Conflict ensues**
Squag: tobanga go... tobanga go! Spongar: tobanga Garri's poca *Squag pick a club
Caveman 3: Dudes, smoke some of this herb and chill out...
*a wild unfeathered dinosaur appears , walking along with humans*
Me: puts on Jim Carey's wooden mask over face "Biologically, anthropologically, historically, archeologically speaking"
"The history of agriculture is the history of the world. All this silly political stuff they like to call history is temporary." ―Francis “Farmer” Robinson
Oh. Landing on the moon? Nahhhhh. Exploration of foreign continents? Nahhhhhhhhh. Currency and language? NAHHHHHHHH. Religions and education? Naaaaahhh
@@hodarov1564 I think you missed the point of this quote. We wouldn't have had currency or the exploration of anything more than our territory if we didn't have agriculture. Agriculture freed up people to spend time on other things besides just surviving by hunting and gathering. It's what started society as we know it, it created villages and towns and then eventually cities, its also what created trading because now we had more time to spend on stuff like clothes and the arts. Agriculture is what founded the society we know, and without it we wouldn't have had any of those besides language and passing down knowledge. Agriculture is the history of the human society we are in.
@@hodarov1564 So what you're trying to say is, we landed on the moon way before the invention of agriculture? Get your tin foil hat off and open your third eye sir. Get woke.
@@rambbler and then a bunch of people who ride horses all day pitch their tents nearby and start extorting the farmers. Bunch of suckers if you ask me.
@@KetsaKunta still you can't plunder farmers if no one is farming. Then it's back to hunting and gathering. Hell, that's all raiding is, hunting other humans so you can gather their stuff.
Because one cavemen wanted another caveman's shiny rock.
Gurg want shiny rock. Derb have shiny rock. Gurg kill Derb.
I fucking knew it xD
can i see it? nno fuck you greg then greg beat jeff to death then jeff's family killed him in revenge then it's a downhill shitshow about us killing each other
no fred found out that barney was fucking wilma and declared war on the entire rubble family.
Unga want Gerb shine rock
*When you said that the emu war doesn't count* B-but....bad countdown channels told me otherwise....
"in the grim darkness of the far future, there is only war." I wholeheartedly believe war is inevitable until we reach whatever wall, end, impassible expanse, or barrier and we can no longer look outward.
Well, our isolated planet sure is a good barrier, let's start getting rid of war now
I like that specification of special tools. It is extremely war oriented to raise up arms and is a very distinctive feature that separates fighting from true war. Even in humans, we use tools to fight, but to go to war we use precise tools even adapting tools to be weaponized tools of war.
The Nataruk Massacre reminds me of a scene in the newest God of War, where Kratos and his son watch an unarmed light elf being murdered by some dark elves as part of an ongoing war between the two races. The son wonders out loud why the light elf was killed when he didn't do anything but Kratos remarks that his son should not assume because he doesn't know what let up to this moment. This applies with the Nataruk Massacre somewhat, as we don't know if the place was ever really such an "Eden" after all.
Still, even if they were the Nazis of their day, like half the casualties were young children. As well as at least one visibly pregnant woman. I agree we lack context, but that's not okay for any reason.
@@loganisanerd5566 I completely agree that excessive cruelty has no place in any culture, at any point in history.
@@Maxizio Here's hoping that's a change that will also come in time! After all, our species is incredibly young. Maybe time will help us learn to better ourselves.
I never asked for this
@@loganisanerd5566 Prehistoric humans didn't care about morals because there were none.
Hey Trey, I'd love to see you do a follow-up/sequel to this video where you explore many more examples of prehistoric conflicts we have archaeological evidence of. It'd be fascinating to see your examinations of the crimes and proposed murder weapons/motives/etc. Maybe kind of a "Prehistory Cold Case Files?"
that would be pretty cool I only know Ötzi was murdered
Your videos are so incredible I can watch them over and over and still have my mind blown in a unique way each time thank you trey the explainer.
The closing statement was very solid. Thank you man!
I think war definition #1 should be changed to "between members of sapient species who are able to plan protracted conflict". Because aliens.
Plus conflicts like ants vs. termites.
Or neanderthals and such
or bees and wasps
@@markcobuzzi826 Ants and termites don't use specialized tools, neither tactics and strategies ^^
@@a950 No, sapient ^^ Sentient means a specie that feels things, like pain, joy, etc.... All vertebrates are sentients. Sapients means a species who are intelligent and developped enough to be considered as a civilized species. Humans are the only sapient species on Earth, today.
Trey the Explainer is the reason I have hope in humanity.
I used to have faith in humanity. *Until I AsCeNdEd*
"Only civilized cultures can engage in warfare." 😳 Really appreciating the irony there..
Civilized???
GermanGamer7 do you mean advanced?
it’s such an ignorant idea on so many levels - europeans probably wouldn’t have come into power in the americas had there not been multiple wars going on between native groups
@@Lucy-fn9rj wars have gone on everywhere idk why you single out native american literally every society has war also not all mative americans had war there was conflict but rarely did it go as far as full warfare like the euphamism or asians had the most civilized at the times
This is false.
Im addicted to your videoes man, great work. Really cool stuff and a Nice format to learn through.
I would like to argue that war can happen between different species, as long as both species were intelligent enough to understand the concept of war, to know they are fighting, and why they are fighting. You can have a war between homo sapiens and neanderthals, but not humans and rats.
I think rats would win if they wanted to start a war with us
Neanderthals are basically the same species as us. They were able to mate with Homo sapiens and produce fertile offspring. As we are right now, most people on earth are part Neanderthal. And a lot of scientists don’t believe in the species distinction between Homo sapiens and Neanderthals anymore.
Ok but then what about the Great Emu war? What about army ants? I’m pretty sure they understand that their wars with fire ant colonies, other army ant colonies, and even with us all boil down to either food and/or land disputes.
@@Slender_Man_186 I don’t think ants understand anything. Their battles are purely instinctual. Ants don’t understand anything about territory or defending their family, they are just evolved to respond to enemy pheromones and go into attack mode. Like they could never have a peace treaty. The moment another colony stops fighting back it gets wiped out. Same with the war between bacteriophages and bacteria killing trillions of bacteria everyday. Sure they are killing each other but does it count as war? It’s more of just an automatic chemical process.
@@Slender_Man_186 I think the emus thinking that they were being slaughtered so they tried to evade humans
Trey uploads and my day instantly gets better.
5. A lot of advancement in weapons (Mainly middle/dark ages) came from using civilian tools as weapons, look at mauls, flails and all the other colourful things we see that had it's origin in farming or civilian tasks.
The "dark ages" weren't a thing
@@x999uuu1 it is the name of a period of time, does that period of time not exist?
@@dexorne9753 no I'm saying that the term dark ages isn't really around in academic medieval studies anymore. It's called the early middle ages/late antiquity
@@x999uuu1 then you have should say that from the beginning, there are like 30 different things you could've meant lol
Fantastic video man! This is something I writing about rn, and this actually gave me good ideas of what else I need to research to make it more accurate and informative. Happy to subscribe.
Prehistory really doesnt get enough credit for its capacity for stories I think. All of the stories set in prehistory I have ever read or seen have all been about savages and not been very scientific or accurate. But the more I learn about prehistoric humans, the more I find them intriguing and can strongly relate to them
i agree
The Earth Children´s saga isn´t about savages. I think the research that the writer based her novels on is already outdated, but a big part of it still holds. Of course the series has its problems, as novels go, but I think they are enjoyable for a light reading.
ChillyRue How can you 'strongly relate' to prehistoric Homo Sapiens? Don't get me wrong, personally I love to learn as much as I can about them or in relation to them, as many are the ancestors of modern Human populaces, one can acquire much insight into modern Human nature(s), the origins of religious inclinations, etc..... Yet in many ways and on multiple levels if say a Cro-Magnon(aka Paleolithic European Homo Sapien) were to ever be cloned and placed into our current post-industrial revolution and profoundly 'Western' "civilized world" they would very noticeably be out of place and different enough in various manners+distinct that they'd be either savage or alien-esque. It's not good to romanticize or unecessarily elevate Paleolithic Eurasian, Australian, and Native American Hunter-Gatherer Homo Sapien types is what I'm saying.
@@snowfrosty1 they didn't say that. They just said it would be an interesting story setting
Great video. Some people romanticize the simpler pre-historic period of mankind and it's good to be reminded that warfare, brutality and cruelty have always been with us and we have to come to terms with it.
I think it's the other way around. Most people think about prehistoric men as barbarian tribes who lived together in a cave, and attacked other tribes to steal animal skins, tools, weapons and food.
@@Burn_Angel It was teached in communist countries (like Hungary before 1989) that before agriculture and metalworking people lived in harmony, sharing everything, living in peace. Then with these advancements came private property, so social differences and wars, justified by religion. (Biggest part of his idea came from Rousseau, mentioned in the video.) The 'quest' of communism is to restore this prehistoric condition. I still have my parents history books, interesting to read, it's full of propaganda, but also has some interesting points.
@@Burn_Angel Of course you could say calssroom history teaching never really free from propaganda, so continue at home is a must :)
@@lionzion619 Communists want to be hunter-gatherers?
Angel , I think the very originals wrote that would be great if it was possible, but I'm not sure. What's sure thing, they thought cavemen led perfectly happy lives, and the key for achieving that is to share the produced goods like cavemen shared the gathered resources, by eliminating the highest social classes, and making the factories, shops and other businsses state owned.
4:06 , "how could you say something so controversial yet so true"
“Before man was, war waited for him. The ultimate practice awaiting the ultimate practitioner”. - Judge Holden
*Far cry primal devs want to know your location*
Ha
Getting Trey on board would only make me want a new one that much more.
@@MiG-21bisFishbedL p-26
Omg I loved that game. So far its the only far cry game I like. Desperately want another primal game.
@@WolfieDawn I also liked primal but alot of people seem to have hated it.
could you do a similar video on the prehistoric origins of trade and commerce? on how human started to barter goods.
That's definitely an interesting idea and definitely a good idea for a video ;)
I second this. Isn't there evidence for some specialized production centers in SA dating back before 1MY? not enough food in the area and flints or shaped stones from the area appearing hundreds of miles away in lusher areas.
My dog tries to trade me his junk for the food I’m eating
Me and my girlfriend we been at war for ages I think we’re in the Cold War phase just spying on each other and building nuclear insults
I know you've already addressed the first requirement to not necessarily holding true. But, my evidence against it; is the wars I've been having every week or two against wasp nests that sting me when I mow the lawn. I destroy their colony, then a new one pops up the next week only for a new battle to commence.
This was very interesting, especially the look at chimpanzee behavior. I'd be super into a vid about ant wars too tho :)
Thanks! I'm happy you enjoyed it. I might consider making a video about ant wars and how they differ and are similar to our own ;)
@@Dell-ol6hb Tool use in war an unnecessary violence.
@@vetren23 I have heard that ants do mutilate their victims,like bite off legs so they cant escape and can be used later as resources. Also I consider warrior ants as weapons of war as they are bred just for battle and guard duty. Some ant species also use specific pheromones and other chemicals specificaly for war, they even got "suicide bombers".
@@Nuinwing Dude that's pretty damn cool. Reminds me of Heinlein's starship troopers where he comments on the difficulties that humans would have fighting against an advanced, hive minded insect species that's evolution is, as he puts it, perfectly suited towards a total communism. The bugs are specifically bred, just like those ants you mentioned, for particular tasks in war and could therefore be considered as a kind of weapon. What a cool viewpoint!!
BBC's Planet Earth has some really cool footage of these wars. And pretty disturbing footage as well.
There are bite marks on the Aramberri Pliosaur that suggest another Pliosaur had a tooth crown length of 300 mm further suggesting a creature 96 feet long. We know the length of the tooth for many reasons, however one stands out the most: For the tooth to puncture the pterygoid bone, the length of the tooth crown that bit into the Aramberri Pliosaur would have to be at least 12 inches. For calculating the size of the Pliosaur; The head of an average Pliosaurus (if it was one) is about 8 times longer than its longest tooth (including the root). With the root, this 12 inch tooth crown would indicate a full tooth length of approximately 36 inches (approx. 3x the crown). Multiplying this by 8, you get a length of 24 feet for the head of the Pliosaur. The head to body length for an average Pliosaurus is about 1:4. Multiplying 24 feet by 4, the total body length comes out to be 96 feet, give or take. The Aramberri Pliosaur was attacked by two Pliosaurs. The first was the supposedly 96-foot Goliath explained above. The Aramberri Pliosaur somehow survived this attack (got hit once and got away). The tooth penetrated through the pterygoid bone in the skull which would require 12 inches of said tooth to pass through the Aramberri Pliosaur. At a later date (a few days to a few months later [3]), the Aramberri Pliosaur was attacked again and killed by this time, a smaller Pliosaur. The Pliosaur was not an infant during these attacks due to the fact that the Aramberri Pliosaur was 13 - 15 meters long and died shortly after the attacks with little time in between each attack. This means that there was little to no disorientation of the bite marks. This is very interesting and I’d like to hear Trey’s thoughts on this. Main source: books.google.fr/books?id=hQgiAwAAQBAJ&pg=PA87&lpg=PA87&dq=300+mm+crown+pliosaur&source=bl&ots=FWj6Tci29X&sig=fAtTCZIZKPCnUssofTilm_OBLVY&hl=fr&sa=X&ved=0CBsQ6AEwAGoVChMIh5acloaAyQIVgW8UCh1LpQJp#v=onepage&q=300%20mm%20crown%20pliosaur&f=false Another source (take this one with a grain of salt because it was written by a part-time science fiction writer who posted it on his book website): www.kronosrising.com/monster-aramberri-giving-flipper/
Feet, inches, meters? Well, it's still interesting!
What if it lost a tooth and made that tooth go farther down by biting the same place but with a different tooth making it go deeper
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Downbeat, yet fascinating, Trey: food for thought indeed. Thank you. ☝️😎
Don't sugar coat things, this was a fantastic video! Keep it up!
I agree except for one thing. I would definitely say that unnecessary cruelty isn't a requirement foe a war, there have been plenty of small wars where people have shot st each other but not ever come close enough to torture or mutilate someone.
People don't die instantly in most cases. War IS unncessarily cruel, ask any veteran who served in combat and you'll get smacked.
@@_hector__ i agree but how would you prevent that? It's not like there are magic bullets that kill you without suffering.
@@silas__3994 Actually, hollow point bullets are banned in International Law under Declaration III of the Hague Convention of 1899 because of they damage bodies more severely than even steel tipped bullets. "It's not like there are magic bullets that kill you without suffering." These are bullets that make you suffer more, and make you more likely to die. That is unnecessary cruelty.
@@davewolf6256 il afraid i don't quite understand as your sentence is worded very confusingly, do you mean that it's cruel to not use hollow point bullets or do you mean that it's cruel they even exist?
*Sigh* The ammo casings alone and artillery shells are coated in cancer causing plutonium etc so even after said "magical bullets" hit and immediately kill whoever in a way that is not to "torture or mutilate" the shell casings left behind can cause cancer and irradiate an area for years... the middle east has some of the highest radiation levels and one of the highest population of cancer victims from thyroid cancer to breast cancer etc all contributed to the shells from all the weapons we've fired upon them over the years, practically an endless and necessary torture for the future generations of that land and it's heart breaking to know children growing up with thyroid cancer there have done nothing to ever deserve it. War is always cruel and the cruelty from it is almost a requirement you cannot ever deny that fact.
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I feel that Tomas Hobbes was correct, however the nature of why the war and how the war was fought is corrupted by civilisation. Wars by civilisations often are fought on behalf of the few, by the many, earlier societies with a warrior caste fought war by the few for the many, bringing the plunder from their war to share amongst their tribe or clan.
War is often catalysed by the greed for possession. Malicious actions in war are probably from the feelings of superiority.
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Fascinating video, Trey. I'm glad that you didn't sugarcoat it. And don't worry, your Flatwoods Monster and Mothman videos scared me more than this did!
This was a great video TREY you are the best as always!
10:58 right corner Aztec straight up flexing his EarPods
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The second one was actually the first Man to go to space
I know you said that two species can’t technically go to war with one another, but what if it were two intelligent species (such as humans and a hypothetical alien race with human-level intelligence)?
If one especie interfere with the other, threatening its existence/development, conflict its inevitable imo
neanderthals, they might not have been on an even level of INT, but were competent enough to be warring competitors
the great emu war
He’s getting better on this channel. Keep up the good work
More content please. You explain it so well. Trey the researcher. Trey the dispenser of knowledge. More content please.
"Prehistoric warfare"? You mean World War 4?
Could someone explain this? I missed the joke.
@@T2266 "I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.” It's a famous quote by Albert Einstein following the building of the atomic weapon.
Dan Ansome Handsome unless we have total nuclear disbarment which I don't think is gonna happen anytime soon... maybe in the future who knows
That of course will be posthistoric warfare
More like posthistoric then
Honestly, I was thinking of meerkats. ^^
Me too
I believe George S Patton remarked that it was a good thing that the effects of war are so horrible or else we would grow too fond of it.
Robert E. Lee said it after the battle of Fredericksburg 1862.
The first person to ever kill someone must have been like: “I have the power of gods, I control life now.” Or: “bro? Dude you good? Dude get up. Hey grognock, sickasicka isn’t getting up!”
*#1.Ants vs Termites colonies happened all the time.*
Ants fight each other too, wich would be in line with "the same species" required classification of war.
@@fionafiona1146 okay and? Did you miss the point?
DreamWorks made a documentary about it.
@Muddy Skies I don't care.
@Kiss my axe A least I don't suck dick.
14:50 That illustration is so good!
great video. ive always been interested by pre ancient greese warfare because our tactics were already so advanced by then it asks the question what were the earlier wars like and what purpose did they serve
Holy shit I can be the only one who thought it said “Prehistoric Welfare” Like damn where can I get that 😂
I don't know dude. I bet prehistoric welfare was like, "You no hunt. You no gather. But you clanmate. Clanmate must eat. (Thinks for a minute) You still get eat but only moldy fruit and the asshole from beasts the hunters catch."
I wish all my teachers were like you and actually taught us interesting stuff I love your videos and I'm always hyped when I see a new vid of yours in my feed Keep up the good work!!
I agree
Keep finding ways to engage that passion for learning. Once you are out of high school, most of your learning will only happen if you pursue it. It's much easier if you enjoy the subject.
Great video, but you kept saying that Chimps are our closest living relative, and because you kept differentiating between Chimps and Bonobos, I'm assuming that you're referring to the common Chimpanzee rather than the Pan genus in general. These two species diverged about 1 million years ago, long after humans diverged from our common ancestor with them. This means that we're equally related to both (and I think this cladistic argument holds up when you compare our genomes) I know this is kind of a nit-picky post, but I couldn't help but pay attention to that throughout the video lol
It's actually not nit-picky at all. He spends a significant amount of this video using chimp war-like behavior as a surrogate for human pre-history. But bonobos are dramatically less violent. If he had used them as the example his arguments would have been less convincing.
@@BigBennKlingon Pygmy chimps or bonobos use sex to de-escalate conflict whereas trogs or what most call chimps the males are larger than the females and are much more violent. Males will form raiding parties etc. Since we are an ape and this is our closest cousin it is not a stretch to surmise that Primitive Man acted in similar fashion. The idea that farming or civilization brought us warfare is rather ludacris when it upped the scale of previous conflicts to where bands of humans more than likely fought with other bands of humans over resources, neither knowing just how big the planet was then and there was plenty of room for both. Us vs Them is an age old concept.
"Before man was, war waited for him. The ultimate trade awaiting its ultimate practitioner" Judge Holden
The video was very informative. Thank you and keep making videos
This is really good! It's interesting to learn about warfare during prehistoric times! Good job, Trey!👍👍👍👍👍
i appreciate u bringing up a subject like this. while i understand some ppl's unwillingness to look at the atrocities committed by humanity, we will never learn from ourselves if we dont reflect on ourselves. this really begs the question of war being a trait we innately possess or learned behavior. i hope u continue to discuss heavy/deeper/interesting subjects like this in the future. thank u so much
this is one of the best things on YT, make more of these.
The elements that are set out regarding a war are also the same for a battle. But a war is surely a number of battles. A war is so much greater. Good vid, informative and thought provoking.
Not a depressing or offensive episode in the slightest. War is horrific and a huge part of human history. I commend you just telling it like it is. It would be offensive and depressing only if you glorified war and revelled in the suffering of those involved. Which you most certainly did not.
War is happened pretty rarely as times goes on weirdly.
@@tompossessed1729 what? War isn't rare, especially under capitalism where all we need for a war is for some corporation to have its eyes on somewhere's oil/gas or a desire to sell weapons to donate to the ruling political party (all capitalist parties are corruptible like this.) The USA and UK have been at near constantly the war with someone or other for centuries.
@@Scrinwaipwr Our last major war was ww2
Only if a war has to be world wide to be classed as major. Which it doesn't. And war doesn't have to be major to still be war either. The USA is (as usual) at war right now. Guess it's not major if the bombs aren't falling where *you* live(!)
Because I know that the USA is at war? Why do you think it doesn't count as war? Bet that's loony reasoning.
Great video! Absolutely loving the anthropology profile videos, can’t wait for more!
Great video, you’re a wonderful channel, so glad i found you.
Thats why i browse youtube. Every second week or so, I find something awesome like this. Historia magistra vita est, you die when you stop searching for next knowledge, for what you hadnt think of, or try to. Hats down guys. Subbed, what else ;)
War is cool and all but have you tried peace?
see narmar's palette.
**throws turd @ Not Me**
I've heard peace is boring. You don't fight and you live enough to die from old age.
@@Burn_Angel yeah, life is boring, we should get some fallout going! Go Kim go!
@@damnbro_idc I only feel alive when I'm killing something!
This is definitely my favorite of your series. Keep it up!
Great stuff as always Trey. I think Kojima's upcoming Death Stranding could touch on some of these subjects quite heavily. The ingrained nature of cruelty in humans and its juxtaposition with, or duality, if you will, of our ingrained nurturing characteristics. Good shit.
Wars have created many interesting empires such as rome and Egypt. So thank you to the millions of young boys that died for the entertainment of historians and archeologist.