Simon Jordan ARGUES With Nottingham Forest Fan Who DEFENDS The Club For Questioning Stuart Attwell 👀
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Simon going on about how crazy it is to allege outside factors when he's sat opposite Mike Dean on his own Podcast for Mike Dean to openly tell him that when he was in VAR he knowingly went along with incorrect on-field decisions to save face with his mates. I mean if that isn't an outside factor influencing decisions I don't know what is. It's nauseating sitting here having to listen to him try to continue with this party line bullshit to defend this any longer and insult all of our intelligence.
Yeah but why are these guys coming on the show not bringing this topics up ? It's clear Simon was diverting the whole convo
Simon went around the houses .... gald the caller stood tall..
Simon is the biggest hypocrite that's been on the radio.
Outside, he was on the pitch.
Checkmate that
Jim and Simon claiming they are not biased and not controlled by the bosses that run talksport is laughable!
How so?
Spot on....and Mr Jim White was part of the company that turned football into nothing only about money
All audio should be available at any time at the request of any club. Full transparency.
Nottingham forest calling out corruption well all the pundits try to defend it 😅
Premier League is corrupt and the media don’t want to admit it.
Yes, those who do well out of the PL and media gravy train happy to defend a rotten system. Ask Coventry and other non top 6 clubs how fair and objective the system is.
The system is rotten to the core and it proves corruption just by the way the whole mainstream is attacking NF
Is it not also corrupt from forest to let idrissa gana gueye run half of the length of the pitch without putting a tackle in and then let him score moments later? Almost like they didn’t care. Why’d they not tackle? It’s either incompetence or a mistake, same as the refereeing. Why don’t forest release the audio from their players about why they didn’t try and stop the goal
@@kc8923 Coventry - was offside. That's a fact. Doesn't matter if it's a toenail. It's either on or off. Are you saying Coventry or any other team should get given a goal if it's offside.. The 100m in the Olympics, someone loses by a toe nail - fact. Gold and Silver medal decided. The reason they lost is because they came second by a toenail. Same with offside. Where VAR fails is fouls not offside.
Nobody is beyond reproach , especially considering how contentious & outrageous some ref's & VAR decisions have been this season . Kudos to Forest for standing up to the blatant abuse of authority by refs/ VAR officials.
where is the blatant abuse though? how would you prove that just from looking on to it? could just be incompetence.
@@Wulfryk so incompetence that isn’t fix is negligence. And how do refs keep their jobs if they are incompetent? Name other work that allows you to be incompetent over and over again and not be sacked.
@@Wulfryk 'incompetence ' is a word deliberately used by PGMOL to cover majority of decisions made by their refs through an act of bias. Either way it's a corrupt way to continuously make bad decisions which affect the livelihoods of clubs,managers & players without refs ever taking full responsibility for their dodgy actions
@@Wulfryk Let me ask you some questions. By your logic if literally every single time a referee was involved with a team let's say Newcastle as the main referee or the VAR official they got a stonewall decision 100% wrong there would never come a point even if it occurred 50, 100, 150 times over many years where you could even allege corruption or bias? It doesn't matter to you how many times they got decisions wrong or the severity of the decisions if lets say every single one was an instance where the referee gave a handball when the ball never even touched the player. You think it would be wrong to allege bias and it would only be appropriate to suggest incompetence, despite the fact that the referee was never removed or sacked?
Forest in all of the 3 statements never used the words Corruption 👍
Thats what media does. Remember when Trump said what about injecting with disinfectant, and all the media then said he told people to inject bleach 😂😂😂 th media always put words in peoples mouths for money
Remember when aftv media said arsenal will win the treble and bring on real madrid😂😂
Forest spending is corrupt
@@markrobinson1369 I've seen your exact sentence on other sites. Listen it is no ones fault that your Mum and pet dog is the same thing 😂😂😂.
If PGMOL was so sure that refs are full of integrity, why would they ask them to list which team they support? Forest are right to highlight the ref's a Luton fan. We're all humans so you can't help unconscious bias. Like a majority of Utd fans - we stand by Forest!
And we (Forest) stand with Israel 🇮🇱
@@shingetsu10Well done??
Disgusting
@@shingetsu10 got to say I agree with this
Well they list the teams to avoid situations like this, but you're right unconscious bias definitely comes into play and you can see the media scramble to try stop these questions being asked
These pundits know damn well they’re turning a blind eye to every comment section regarding the forest situation
'The VAR is a Luton fan' - LOL. Most fans think Forest's press release is pathetic.
@@sratus that's called a 'professional conflict of interest'. Doesn't matter if he's biased or not, the statement doesn't allege that, it simply states the facts. It points out the conflict of interest and that it was overlooked/ignored by PGMOL. In any other profession conflicts of interest like that are avoided at all costs, as a standard
@@jimtatum7344 The statement clearly implies that he is biased. Why lese would they even mention it?
@@spillage9392 If his is a Luton fan are you saying he's 100% not biased? If that's the case why don't we let him referee Luton games? You don't think he's biased right? So I assume you'd be fully in favour of him making decisions for games Luton have against their opposition right?
@@josephkerrigan733 Exactly that. Either he is, or he isn't. The point is you can't be sure and at the very least it's for avoiding points of contention like this with Forest. They can point to the fact he is a Luton fan as a bone of contention, whereas if they had simply chosen one of the 50 manc refs they have to do the game, it would have been avoided.
Please be aware Stuart Atwell was also in charge of VAR at the Forest v Liverpool match where the ref gave Liverpool the ball when it should’ve been returned to Forest. And he was the ref in the Man Utd v Forest match at Old Trafford with dodgy decisions that day 🤦🏻♂️
First half he gave the ball to forrest when he should have given it to Liverpool 😂 they are just morons
@@mikedon5205not right but I’ve been over it with Lpool fans many times 👍🏻
@@RobinHood-us7sg It is right. Konate went down with a suspected head injury when Liverpool had the ball. After play restarted, Forest were given possession of the ball. If it's such an outrage why aren't you bothered when it happened in your favour?
@@FreshAlchemy When Play was stopped (Al be it after the injury, Liverpool played it back into the box) but Forest had the ball and were clearing it up the pitch when the whistle was finally blown!!!
He hates you, his life mission is to relegate Nottingham Forest.
Micheal Oliver is disgraceful as a referee, as a neutral I’ve seen it…a disgrace to the game
Yet they let him referee top 4 games last season, when Newcastle were looking to qualify for the CL. Ridiculous
you might not be old enough to remember mike reed during the 90s, discraceful is a nice word! this guy was another level, weve had it for years but only say anything when its against our own club, bad decisions are apart of football, perfection would ruin it
We must join together and stop this evil 😊
Simon thinks he’s living in feudal ages , we’re we are all peasants and don’t dare ask questions
that's the mindset of a ceo, they see regular every day people as commodities and only care about how they can help, dare speak up and you're disposable
Simon loves authority, he's a bootlicker. Thinks authority should never be questioned or scrutinized. Apparently he also hates free speech, claiming nobody is allowed to allege corruption. At least he's not a politician, he would be a tyrannical dictator. He should go and move to China, he would like how they do things there.
We even had a player punched in the stomach against Spurs and that was swept under the rug as well. And there's no such word as competency!
👏🏻 And Moder hacking down Neco Williams in the Brighton game, lucky not to break his leg and damage his career. Outcome = no red card and another apology from PGMOL a few days later.
😂😂 most dramatic over the top fans in the land. Keep crying
Says a Derby fan. Wow what a surprise.
@MelGilbert keep embarrassing yourselves. Its very entertaining
It's just little Derby mate, a bunch of nobodies down the A52.
What is Simon talking about. Bias is a conflict of interest. Not corruption. He is sticking to it like he is correct. It’s not a conspiracy it’s a conflict of interest. There is a reason why you have declare said conflicts.
Exactly, that would be framing this debate correctly, unlike what Simon is doing here. Although this massive cover-up of exactly what you have just outlined does start to point to corruption. All the sports media singing from the same hymnsheet, all going crazy at the mere suggestion of corruption. We're not allowed to have an honest discussion about the possibility of any corruption occurring, apparently... That's a massive red flag to me.
trying to make it sound okay for them not to release the audio hahahahahhahaha 😂
Everyone has the right to call out corruption when its this blatant. FA still refusing to release the audio tapes...
Exactly. Simon trying to tell us we don't have the right to scrutinize anything or call things out. Who does he think he is.
@@FreshAlchemysome kind of FA saviour
PGMOL already accept that allegiances could affect their referees otherwise why would they insist upon referees declaring them. All Forest are saying is that it should extend to competitive situations not just refereeing their own club.
That's the point the caller tried to make before he was shouted down.
I have to disagree with Simon. This has to be questioned as it's a glaringly obvious issue.
But Simon says LOL....he's lost all credibility now
PGMOL IS A ABSOLUTE JOKE AND THESE LOT ARE DEFENDING IT 😂😂😂😂
Human error ..... You mean incompetence from VAR who is a Luton supporter and therefore shouldn't have been put him in that position!!
You have a former ref claiming corruption something whiffs
He is employed by forest, not sure there's as much to that as your saying
@@RobertJones-ku4fgand the previous head of refs saying he would never have let Atwell be VAR in that game 🤷🏻♂️
@@RobertJones-ku4fg Keith Hackett outlined yesterday why the PGMOL did used to take potential conflicts of interests seriously, but now suddenly we're being told it doesn't matter.
@@FreshAlchemy Surely if Atwell is a Luton fan he'd want a draw in the game, and would have given the pens.
Jim is all pally and matey with his famous friends, but he shows a great disdain towards the general public who call in and have a different opinion to his.
I agree but don't forget that corpSPORT is - "pOwErEd By FaNs". They're definitely talking about electric fans.
If these guys think that what was dished up on the weekend was par for the course, then they are part of the corruption too.
If Atwell has declared himself to be a Luton fan he should not have been in charge of VAR in a game between two teams in a relegation battle with Luton. Surely that's why the PGMOL request their official to declare any affiliation with any club(s).
Yes there is a perception of bias.
@@tonyaltass8290 It's a conflict of interests.
Absolutely ludicrous that you keep suggesting Clattenburg called the PGMOL before the game with the purpose of pointing out that Attwell was a Luton fan and that they were fine with it! 😂
Do referees have a right for these questions not to be asked? It was a really poor performance from Stuart Attwell
Fair enough. Can we allege gross incompetence and dereliction of duty instead?
Big up to that Forrest Fan!
fair play to the forest fan 👏🏼 held his own and got simon and jim rattled
Cheers👍🏻. Needed saying
90% of fans are with forest, 98% of pundits are against them. I agree with Nottingham Forest
Maybe a team who has already suffered from the corruption of a referee and lost out on a european final because of it might be a tad more sensitive
Why would Clattenberg even speak with Webb about Atwell regarding his allegiances to Luton if they had no problem with it, that doesn’t make sense. Keith Hackett the former head of the pgmol said they used to not allow refs to officiate games involving the club they support and games in which a conflict of interest might appear ie a relegation rival. That rule has now changed and clubs can not ask for referees or var to be changed so Clattenberg has clearly spoke of Forest concerns to Webb but never went as far to demand a change in the hope something like these shocking mistakes could happen.
Jim, at least twice in a few minutes, regurgitated the line about Forest not asking for what they are not allowed to ask for, an excuse that was fed to them (and other journalists) by the PGMOL. The second time he did it was immediately after the caller told him Forest cannot ask for an official to be removed, and thus claiming it as proof Forest had no issue with Atwell is BS. All audio communication in regards to critical VAR decisions should be released in a timely manner after the game. In Rugby, you even hear the discussion between video ref and on-field officials as they work together to reach a decision. Has Vince McMahon covertly launched the XPL?
Exactly it was the same line he kept regugating yesterday as though forest were fine with it and when he was called out on it today and told forest can't ask for a ref to stand down he still tried to wash it. Absolute tool thinks we can't see through it.
Obtuse misdirection by Mr. Jordan. Forest did not say corruption. Forest wanted Pigmole to recognise before the game was played that by appointing Attwell there was the distinct possibility that his integrity might later be questioned should he go on to make mistakes as the VAR official as he is a Luton Town Football Club supporter. It is interesting to note that he only made mistakes that were detrimental to Forest and not also to Everton. That is an awkward fact for Attwell, Pigmole, The PL, the FA, Sky and other legacy corporate media and for Simon to contemplate. The other issue being played out here by the authoritarians is the challenge to the continuation of their power over the people. That Forest had the audacity to bypass legacy media by using an independent channel to communicate its message, X, is a form of 'heresy' for which Forest must be severely punished.
Well said mate, couldn't agree more.
People of the future: On this day in 2024, the Premier League was called out for blatent double-standards and corruption. It was common practice for VAR decisions to be made privately without any accountability. Pundits such as Gary Neville and Jamie Carragher were still employed and respected (albeit by a minority) for their knowledge and advice.
I wish the same effort and energy was pointed at addressing the historically low standard of refereeing in the PL. Mistakes we all make every year, but total blunders and painfully obvious incorrect decisions (with VAR as help) should not be happening. We have the same discussions every single year, yet there doesn't seem to be any improvement of officiating and the can gets kicked down the road again. The fans & clubs shouldn't accept this and more importantly, neither should the PL or PGMOL.
We have every right to question his integrity, especially as it turns out he didn't even review the 3rd penalty appeal whci for most people is as clear a penalty as you'll ever see.
Simon Jordan the guy that advocates free speech, but disagrees with someone legitimately using their free speech, I'm sorry Simon you have been gripped by the media machine, stand and fight against this regime.
If no one has the right to call out corruption then it's an open door for the corrupt to do whatever they like. Not just in football but in any walk of life.
When you are hoping its just massive incompetence and not corruption thats not good . VAR has just shown how bad the refs are.Maybe hire overseas refs ,why not .
Agreed. The example of Mike Dean when he was in the VAR room flagrantly disregarding the integrity of the laws of the game in order to "help" his on-pitch "mate" is definitely not incompetence. It wasn't accidental. Dean was very conscious of what he was doing. That's much closer to corruption than incompetence. And why should we all assume that the Mike Dean example is an isolated incident. It's probably par for the course.
Why are we not allowed to question integrity or whether there's corruption? Fair enough Forest's particular qualm in this instance may not have merit, but they are surely allowed to ask the question?
We are allowed to, Simon's just shitting all over free speech again, and trying to disregard any human being's right to hold whatever beliefs they wish and to question and scrutinize whatever they damn well please. Simon has all the makings of a tyrannical dictator.
This was a massive ramble of stupidity. The way these two clowns try to defend themselves after being accused of creating a narrative was embarrassing. Not being able to accuse someone of corruption or bias only allows the people in charge to be corrupt and bias without question. And yes, the narrative has been in support of the refs, but maybe not their decisions.
Correct, well said
Is Simon Jordan ready to die on this hill?
Keith Hackett, Mark Halsey and Darren Bent are the only commenters I've heard actually produce a balanced, objective and measured opinion on the matter whether that's sympathetic of Forest or not. Literally every single other person I've heard in the media are coming off as delusional. It's like a skit from a bad comedy. Genuinely lost a whole lot of respect for a number of pundits I'd perviously considered to provide good insight and analysis. Jim White in particular can have a specific mention because his observations have frequently been wide of the mark for some time and has the arrogance to challenge in a manner akin to ignorance is bliss. He's actually laughable
DB said Attwell did nothing wrong.
Louis Saha did push back against Neville and Carra's garbage on Sky too, to be fair to him.
@@FreshAlchemy I bet they don't have him on again.
Keeping in line like everyone else 🤡🤡
The PGMOL, the premier leagueand the media (pariculary skysports and talksport) not even discussing referees being paid by man city owners stinks of corruption.
If Simon owned Forest would he let It slide
Hed probably take them into administration if he did
@@SeanReid86 true point. He's the ultimate click bait merchant
Forest not demanding Attwell be removed from VAR is a bit of a red herring. They never claimed to have done this nor have the right to.
Someone's going to have to remind me of my rights again. I thought I was (in theory) a free human being who is allowed to think, say, believe and scrutinize whatever I wish. All these new thought crime laws have me confused. Simon is telling me I don't the right to allege anything. Under what law? And you are telling me that I don't have the right to make a demand. Again, what law are you referring to when telling me what my rights are. I can demand whatever I like, that is my right, and it is another person's right to reject my demand if they feel they have reason to. Can everyone stop trying to reduce all of my natural human rights please.
The caller explained his point excellently.
I love the fans that come for a fight 😂
"This is Forest thinking post their original statement about how to allow them to caught in the crosshairs."
See how offended the little journos get 😂
Neither corruption or incompetence is a good look for what is supposedly the strongest league in world football. The very least is that the standard of officiating in England is sub par at best and needs fixing. VAR is also being used incorrectly.
By not releasing the audio straight away can it be doctored???
The caller was bang on.
Well apparently the third one wasn’t even looked at and PGMOL haven’t come out and said that Attwell isn’t a Luton town fan have they?
Stuart Atwell gave a goal for a shot that went wide a few years back...
Quick question Give me one example of a club going through the official channels, and it not being swept under the carpet? People may not like what forest have done but the have got the eyes of the globe on the PGMOL
👏🏻
Every person in this country should have the right to allege corruption. Is this North Korea when it suits you?
Exactly. Simon is a proper little tyrannical dictator, trying to tell us what we're allowed to do and what we're not allowed to do, trying to tell me what rights I have. Who the hell does he think he is?!??
Used to really enjoy these two in conversation. It has become utterly redundant. Bought and paid for clowns. They will go the same way as the rest of the TALK franchise. See ya!
If you dont allege corruption how does it get ever investigated? 😂
You are going to look pretty stupid Simon when it comes out that forest were correct all along.
I am a forest fan ànd the owner has said that he going too spend spend 50000 millions pounds on players no players will be leaving Nottingham forest ffp ànd premier league can go ànd do one
If it was one or two occasions fair enough, but it's happened to us some many times. We've had one pen all season. Simon, wind your neck in
This caller is spot on 🤣🤣
What is so difficult about the concept of unconscious bias that makes it impossible for these pundits to understand? NFFC raised the issue, to ask the question, do you think its appropriate he's on VAR? They didn't ask him to be removed. That's not the same as not thinking there's a problem. There IS a problem with that. Unconscious bias. It's not appropriate to have a Man U fan ref the cup final this year. Nor a Man C fan. What's so difficult to grasp?
Why can't they grasp the concept of conscious bias.
@FreshAlchemy lol, well yes. But that can't be talked about openly. That questions integrity and we can't have that can we.
@@FreshAlchemyBecause they don't want to.
he was talking about the media about this situation not other things simon
Hey Simon and Jim ... you need to read through these comments to see just how much your opinions are (not) supported!
"We know match officlals do not allow outside factors to influence descions" = rewards for making certain choices, either bribes or promises of promotion etc. Forest are saying they are not suggesting those are happening. It's more the unconscious bias that comes from being a fan of a club. As a forest fan I see more fouls for us and my Leicester fan mate see's much less. And neither of us think we are being bias when making the call. This is why refs need to declare who they are fans of or affiliated with, otherwise you end up with Villa fans reffing Villa games, reffing direct local rivals like birmingham, or a Villa fan reffing a Spurs game as they are both fighting for 4th. Why put the ref in that position where they WILL have an unconscious bias, and need to fight against their natural instincts.
The corruption in Prem is clear and obvious. There’s no other explanation for the incredible incompetency of referees. Cover it, dress it up, but it’s so obvious Stevie Wonder can see it. Or if people are so incompetent, clear them out, sack them. It’s either that or corruption, can’t be both.
Thought it was a free country? If it’s corrupt we have a right to say it.
THOSE THREE ARE LIKE THE THREE STOOGES
Brilliant caller
Bias and corruption are NOT the same thing. No one is saying Attwell was corrupt or that somehow Luton put him up to it. However he may well have been biased consciously or unconsciously and Simon Jordan cannot know otherwise. It is that BIAS that is in question given his otherwise inexplicable actions on the day given that he is apparently Englands TOP VAR EXPERT if the Euros allocation is to be believed.
One of those openalties was so clear that it has to be corruption.
They make it sound like there has never been any corruption ever .
Not just a penalty a sending off as young was the last man ,can't believe that every fan in the country knew it was a penalty but he said it wasn't a penalty, the mind boggles, incompetence comes to mind ,any over job you'd be fired for being incompetent but var can get it wrong every game and still not have consequences
If it's not corruption, it's incompetence. And I can't believe anyone can be that bad at their job
It’s corruption we all know it.
Well then maybe it is corruption? One of those penalties was absolutely irrefutable.
Plot twist..,,,it really is corruption. !!!
Mike Dean helping his mate on the pitch and in doing so disregarding the integrity of the rules of the game is not incompetence. Icompetence is accidental, negligent perhaps but accidental. What Mike Dean did there was not an accident, he was fully conscious of his decision and it leans much, much closer to a form of corruption than mere incompetence. And we have no reason to assume that the Mike Dean example was an isolated incident, in fact, it appears to be par for the course. Seems like VAR officials are also scared to challenge the onfield decisions of high status refs such as Michael Oliver and Anthony Taylor. Some may argue corruption is too strong a word but these examples are certainly not down to incompetence. I think it's fair to say that there is a corruption in the decision making process of these officials.
Simon, so its ok to allege lack of competency but not bias. Funnily that is exactly what Arteta and Arsenal did when they were cheated at Newcastle and you blasted them then. Did Simon forget what he said then because I did not. Or is he just spewing whatever thoughts come to his mind at the time and everyone just acts like its correct/intellegent because he has a large vocabulary.
There is too much pressure on match officials. VAR has brought them under extreme focus. How long until it is too much for one of them?
They didn't even let him talk, Simon asked to let him finish but they never let him finish more than once or twice.
It was a struggle mate. I knew Simon would try and shout it down. We've seen it a million times so I decided to just talk over him
@@dfnffcwell done mate Simon Jordan is like the Jacob Reece mogg of football unlikable asf
@@eddiepicardo2283 👍🏻
We don’t defend the pgmol spends the next 2 days defending them on every show 😂
Bonkers statement from Forest to drag Luton into this. If they'd been playing anybody else it might make some sense but Everton still have to go to the Kenny so a draw or Forest win on Sunday is what all Hatters wanted. An Everton win was the last thing we needed. Why has nobody mentioned this in the comments? As for bad officiating every club's fans complain after every game about the bad decisions, sometimes even after they've won.
Surely you would want the team closer to you in points to stay on the same amount of points? Less catching up to do…
@@eddiepicardo2283 before Sunday's game Luton were 1 point behind Forest and 2 behind Everton. If, and it's a big if, we beat Everton at the Kenny that would have put us a point ahead of them and then just have to match their results to survive ( that's assuming they lose their game in hand against Liverpool). We've played Forest twice already so now because of Everton's win we could win our last 4 games and still go down. So an Everton win vs Forest was the worst possible outcome for us.
Yes, the comments made by Forest were poor to say the least. But the bigger picture is now being dominated by that rather than those decisions made by a professional referee. A referee who had multiple screens and and angles. He can quickly pause a game and have a look. The worrying thing is that he has had a look and not seen anything us the viewer / football have seen. I have seen some bad ones in Scotland this season but the EPL is reaching different levels of incompetency. This aide was brought in so that the Sheffield Utd relegation scenario etc never happened again, but….
Forest have done the right thing because now everyone is talking about it and question it. It means that something will definitely be done about it rather than them getting away with "we'll do better" anytime they make a mistake.
Unfortunately it doesn't mean that at all. We are witnessing the sweeping of it under the rug as the media continue to ignore the overwhelming opinion of the fans. Next week another big news story will occur and this will all be moved past. Nothing will change, sadly.
Im a gooner.... and i stand wid forrst on this.... and i stand with their first statement... . Wana cry about it... lets go court den..... Dnt thubk the refs have the money like the forest owners... wana sue.... lets go...... I swear this why god not blessing me with the lotto..... coz money talks.... tie that ref up so much he definitely wont know wot a pen is after lol I hope the ref does sue... coz he gana lose much more than the owner of forest will.....
MEDIA: We will never call out PGMOL. We will instead attack Clubs for raising legitimate questions.
Hope Simon Jordan also holds Chelsea & City accountable... pffff 😂
Sorry but you can't guarantee the integrity of those officials 100%. The fact that SKY said it was reviewed and checked within 5 seconds and now we are told Atwell chose not to review it. It screams corruption. One rule for the big six and one rule for everyone else.
Great caller
Do we get the right to spell allege properly?
Does anybody if in the VAR office if the officials are allowed to drink alcohol ? Or was Atwell just not concentrating ?
How many trips has Michael Oliver made to the UAE? He’s given them six points and an FA Cup final so far this year.
Jim talking about getting the audio.. YOU ONLY WANT IT TO BE THE FIRST ONES TO RELEASE IT TO THE WORLD!!!! Can’t fool us Jim
Can we swap English VAR for Scottish? We get refs doing the Glasgow Derby who drink in rangers pubs.
The Mike Dean example when he was in the VAR room and disregarded the rules of the game and undermined the integrity of the match in order to "help" his "mate" out on the pitch is not incompetence, that was NOT accidental. He was completely conscious of what he was doing, and if we think that was an isolated incident, then we're kidding ourselves. In fact, such incidents appear to be par for the course. There are different forms of corruption and I think it's fair to say that there was corruption in the decision making process in the Mike Dean example and there's also a corruption of the decision making process of VAR officials who are scared to challenge the onfield decisions of big name referees such as Michael Oliver and Anthony Taylor. Corruption doesn't necessarily mean money changing hands or something and is actually a fair word to use.
They still haven't released it must be some fine editing going on
Simon got rattled here because he knows it’s true.
As every football fan and pundit knows… biases are natural in football. Might it be conceivable that well intending referees might unknowingly sway toward decisions that benefit the clubs they support. This is not conspiracy. This is just human behaviour.
yea so it's always been like that, so why are forest making a big deal about it?
@@lennon1482 because with VAR there is no excuse to get clear and obvious mistakes incorrect. At the very least… that decision should’ve been sent back to the ref for a look. Bizarre
@@lennon1482 You can dall all that's possible to minimise it. Which wasn't done.
Why shouldn't officials be questioned when they make serious errors. When the average football fan could come to the right decision after seeing a VAR replay, why can't the officials? That is my question?
Is it not corrupt to be able to change the level of bar for what is a foul and what isnt. But not to let the clubs and public to know. Why was gordons a foul but not NF
I remember vividly the terrible decisions given against my club I remember far less vividly the terrible decisions given in favour of my club