Everything GREAT About Dawn of the Planet of the Apes!
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Dawn of the Planet of the Apes! A sequel that everyone expected to just be meh…and then some people thought it was meh? Seems unlikely. But let's take a walk through it. Here's everything right with Dawn of the Planet of the Apes!
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Hello there.
I am ready for this one Lets go
Also, I still have my mind blown that the lady pilots had like a weird beef lol.
Please do a Everything Wrong/Great about Planet, Beneath, Escape, Conquest, and Battle of the Planet of the Apes.
Just wanted to add gorillas even silverbacks would call the group over of other gorillas when humans show up it's intimidation plus a "If you act right you'll leave peacefully"
Week 173.1 of asking for Everything Great About Dead Man's Chest
IM ADDING TO THIS LIKE 20 weeks of hoping 😂
Stay strong.
I want it too
The only problem is I’m not sure there was enough about it to make a good video. I liked the movie but I like anything. Most people are less forgiving.
Na, Dead Man’s Chest is a good film and At Worlds End is even solid, if a bit too long. And considering he’s always done videos on not so good movies before, there’s no reason imo he couldn’t do the other Pirates films
The scene of Koba pretending to be a dumb ape is actually terrifying! Its the first time we see a human level of cunning and manipulation from an ape. Until then, you're thinking Koba is just going out-right fight Caesar at some point.
It’s like, what else are they capable of? If they have the human superpower that is the indomitable will, then they are the superior species.
I mean he did outright fight ceasar and lost. So he had to resort to other, more sophisticated methods to get what he wanted.
They are both apes.
This isn't hard canon, but a deleted scene from War has The Colonel tell Caesar that a human came to him and pleaded with him to make peace with Caesar, so he executed him... Caesar immediately found out this human was Malcolm. You know, in case the end of Dawn wasn't enough of a debbie downer.
Thank heavens it’s not canon. Would have broken my heart
I’m pretty sure that was mentioned in the novelization that took place between Dawn & War.
Hate to break it, but further books and comics confirmed this to still happen.
The part at the end where Malcolm says “I really thought we had a chance…” and Caesar says “…me too” gets me in the feels every time 😭
Even sadder to know that the villain in the third movie actually killed him revealed in a deleted scene
@@wongus1907 I keep seeing people say this but it’s a deleted scene, we don’t know for sure whether it’s canon or not.
@@josephrusso4828 Apparently there are also books and comics which are cannon and also mention Malcom being executed
Koba is such a Shakespearian villain, you understand how and why he is the way he is and that conflict was basically unavoidable. Interestingly koba is a bonobo one of the more docile apes that looks similar to a chimp. Caesar is a chimp one of the most dangerous and scary apes but with the intelligence to control his emotions at least makes him more composed until he isn't. Rise had some slightly less than real rendering but Dawn and War they look photo real like it's freaky lol
"shakespearean villain" aka Monkebeth
@@dracodracarys2339 Lol
It gets even better when you realize that bonobos are actually MORE aggressive than chimps, if the latest scientific discoveries have anything to say about it. The movie might ironically be way ahead of its time. Once again the simple story makes way for a more nuanced one.
@@moon-moth1 I completely agree with you, a single study does not instantly invalidate the many others that came before it. We'll have to wait and see if future studies can confirm their findings. My comment is simply based on the possibility of these new claims being true. Now, I dont have a link just lying around sorry, but i'm sure you can find your way to the original source through all the news articles on the study. May the power of Google be with you
@@Art3Zoe hm wasn't aware of that but comparatively they're less scary than chimps in general who don't need much of a reason to mess anything up beyond recognition I stand by my fear of chimpanzees
There’s a deleted scene where Caesar presents Koba with the bear pelt as a gift for saving him and Blue Eyes, where Koba embraces Caesar in a hug, and it really shows that, had the ape community not crossed paths with humans, Koba very much would have stayed a good ally and friend to Caesar
One scene you didn’t mention that I really like was the scene with Gary Oldman’s character alone in his office after the power comes back on, and being brought to tears over the memories of his family. I really like it for two reasons: 1). It highlights the fragility of our modern existence, where we’re reliant on technology to hold our most precious memories which can be easily lost forever, and 2). gives us some insight into the character and grants him a degree of empathy that wouldn’t be extended to similar ones in other movies. I like to think that part of the reason he wanted to get the power back on was so that he could be reunited with the memories of his long dead family. A very humanizing moment that often gets underlooked but which I think illuminates what is so special about this trilogy.
Was going to point this out too. Such a moving scene
It's a point on how he isn't the real bad guy: at the end of the day, he's just a desperate person trying to survive. And so are all the humans. And so are all the apes. And then Koba breaks the fragile truce, and all hell breaks loose.
I lost my Guinea pig recently and all I have left of her now are the photos and videos I took. Seeing him look at the pictures with joy and pain in his eyes, it hit really close
Also I'm pretty sure "Run" is the first, and one of the few things Maurice actually says. As most of the time he signs. The "Run" is probably my favorite line. So chilling, but also, like wholesome if you think about it? Maurice is the OG
This trilogy was so paradoxical in that it was the best in the sci-fi business, yet hardly anyone talked about it when they were initially released. Happy its getting recognized, (it's my personal favorite of the 3)
If no one talked about it they wouldn't have been box-office hits
No, they were definitely big at the time, they performed super well, I just think a lot of chronically online people didn’t watch them at the time, because most of us mainly see online discussion
I personally didn't like Rise, but imo War is an objectively bad movie. Felt like one of those movies where nothing happens, like the last jedi.
@@juliandacosta6841War is definitely my least favourite, but I still had a good time with it, was it a perfect landing for the trilogy no but it was good enough
@@mr.stuffdoer8483 Some people didn’t watch them when they released because they just seemed silly. The lackluster marketing and ads really didn’t help with this either.
The movie is framed like a tragedy, and I love it. Everything falls into place in the wrong way and ends in a very bittersweet way. I think my favorite scene is where Caesar thinks about Will. Calling him a good man means the world to me.
The sad thing about Koba? He forgot about the first human that took care of him and his mother. She tried so hard to keep them safe and happy. She’s the one that taught him sign language. But his hate for humans made him blind
Yeah, she wasn’t the only human who treated him nice. There was a scientist who treated koba decently. I believe his name was Amol, or something like that. Anyway, this just goes to show that koba knew about good humans, despite all his claims to the contrary. He ignored those memories and only focused on the bad ones. The weird part is that everyone just took him at his word, including the fans of this series.
I don't remember hearing about any of that. Was that in some part of the first movie that I missed?
@@dmochat It’s in a prequel book, ‘Firestorm’.
You have no idea how happy I am to finally see someone who knows about the novels (here on YT and in general). Not a fan of the novelizations, but man, Greg Keyes’s ‘Firestorm’ and ‘Revelations’ is just... I LOVE them and the way they show certain characters from entirely different perspectives, like Koba, or McCullough. The way they also fill some gaps, expand what movies gave us, and add new interesting characters... God, these novels mean so much to me. Again, glad to see that someone else is aware of them, because if you’re a fan of the trilogy and want more content about this universe, I’m sure you’ll like the novels as well. Hope you’re doing alright and have a great time! ⟨: (sorry if my english is bad, not my native language)
@@josephrusso4828 Hello. Sadly I have nothing to add, except to agree, but like with the og commentator, just wanted to show my appreciation to you, great person, who knows about the novels too [: Hope you have a great time and everything’s good in life!
"Who's to decide who's not a true scotsman" It's actually not that bad. Koba killed Rocket's son already, and in doing so made himself not an ape, so he's not protected by that law anymore.
9:08 Bonus win! Koba fights with pure animalistic fury and bludgeoning. He lets his muscle and instinct do the talking. Caesar uses punches, blocks. He fights more like a man, another sign of his evolution, and ultimately why he wins the fight. EDIT: remembered this because of that scene, when Caesar is choking Koba, you can see him wrestle with his primal chimp instincts demanding he kill Koba. Chimp societies are brutal and savage, and the fact that Caesar is clearly evolved but not TOTALLY detached from his animal nature is why he’s so friggin cool to me
Chimp society are hella advanced, but I see what you're saying.
This movie is absolutely phoenomenal. One of my personal favourite movies of all time and IMO the best of the entire series.
It's stupidly amazing. There hasn't been a bad one yet, and this one still towers over the others.
Is really good in cinemas is an experience I feel bad the Next one is not that good
Also one of my favorite movies of all time. It's a masterpiece.
@@SnidgetAsphodel You have good taste brother!
Part of why I love Gary Oldman in this is one scene which shows him crying over his family. He shows so much much pain amd sorrow without a line, and you instantly understand why he hates the apes, he can't blame anyone specific for losing his family to the simian flu so he turns his anger and sorrow on the apes. It's easy to say we'd all seek peace ourselves, but we're not in his shoes.
It's often hard to seek peace with the ones that indirectly took your peace away, even though it wasn't intentional (though you'd probably not know that)
EGA The Hunchback of Notre Dame EGA The Prince of Egypt
YES
Probably won't do on KZhead cause Dreamworks has been pretty bad for cinemawins. His king fu panda ones have been copy claimed a couple times
“If I saw Koba I’d just remove my own face and offer it to him, I think?” Absolutely relatable my guy, this was actually akin to my thought the first time I saw this scene “If I was being stared down by Koba like that I’d probably give him my right arm to beat me with”
When you say "another war-hungry, complicated anti-hero/villain, 'peace was never an option,'" I keep thinking about the goose. It was only when I looked up the quote, did I understand who you were referencing.
What is it referencing tho?
@@hanneswiggenhorn2023 apparently Magneto, not sure what the context is however
I did the same thing 😅
X-Men First Class on the beach!
“It only takes one bad dude to mess up life for millions.” This. Resonates.
Maurice compared to Koba would at least have the perspective of having seen human children before
Clearly this series was not the one to rewatch for me post-pandemic, during active genocides. Everything about this movie hits *HARD* in ways I didn't know I had in me. I genuinely cried watching these movies. I haven't had a movie perfectly reflect the era of my life so well in a long time
I know Davey Jones in Pirates is a masterclass in CGI that has stood the test of time. But man this and War were so insane I legit forget I'm not watching real animals acting still to this day. There are moments in Daen where it still is a bit uncanny but War was absolutely wild to watch
One thing that needs to be mentioned is how during the battle scene the apes were just pointing the ARs and spraying bullets in the human's genral direction you never even see them reloading, chances are there was some friendly fire here and there. By the time Koba is on their doorstep you can even see one to the right shooting at the gate, not at the parapet above or the ones who survived Luca's fireball slam just at the steel wall in front of him, this truly paints a picture of just how unprepared with battle they were and makes their survival in War all the more impressive.
You’re right. Some people were confused about how the apes won that battle but it was just hundreds of them wildly firing at the broad side of a building, basically using suppressive fire to breach the defenses. And yeah, they were very unskilled. Of course, the humans had an entrenched position and were more skilled with modern weapons, which directly led to hundreds of apes getting killed. In the third film, the apes used a combo of trench and guerrilla warfare (pun intended) to hide from the soldiers as long as possible.
I love how you can feel the genuine passion for these movies and all the interesting things they did, even with what are generally considered the bad ones. It comes from an actual place of love rather than just filling a quota for a gimmick.
I sincerely believe this is the best of the current crop of PotA movies. Both sides on "even" footing, complicated motives, genuine tragedy, intellectually concise planning and understandable characters arcs. It's an incredibly well-written and paced movie. That just so happens to have talking simians. I love it.
The tank shot is one of the best camera angles in the last 25 years. Amazing film. Everything being on location and practical when possible really helps this film genuinely feel real. The effects will hold up for generations. You'd think this came out this year with how good it still looks.
I love bit of Oldman being like "THEY. ARE. ANIMALS!" And then it blips to shot of Apes riding horses meaning they are intelligent enough to know about Animal Husbandry on the Civics Tech chart..... How many other animals do YOU know can ride a horse after taming it? Hahaha
OH MY GOD YES THE TRILOGY I’VE BEEN WAITING FOR YOU TO COVER! THESE ARE MY ABSOLUTE FAVORITE MOVIES AND IM SO EXCITED FOR KINGDOM
might just get a nebula subscription to watch your war for the planet of the ape video
My read was that it didn't come down to Carver and Koba. The conflict would be inevitable in the end. With power the humans would eventually have expanded, either by expedition, or drawing others in. That would put them back into conflict with the apes. Carver and Koba were the catalysts, but if it wasn't them it would have been something.
Maybe. But I think the idea is that it would have been people like those two that did it. Theres more than enough room on the planet at this point for both, and they don't even necessarily conflict over resources because the humans are post apocalyptic so are mostly concerned with human settlements while the apes are more natural. And while there is the issue of human settlements having taken all the good locations for great ape societies to settle, it doesn't seem to have prevented Caesers group from thriving.
I'm going through these movies right now. Just have War left to watch. Watching Koba trick those idiots with the guns into letting their guard down was so amazing and terrifying at the same time. 4th try in asking, Lee pretty please. Do an EGA of Speed Racer. That movie deserves more love, and I feel like you're just the person to do it justice!
I'm pretty sure he's already done EGA Speed Racer. If it's nowhere to be found that either means I'm wrong, or it got taken down.
The introduction to this movie is deserving of 10,000 wins. Absolutely soul crushing.
17:28 "Peace was never an option." - Magneto.
Matt Reeves should bring Michael Seresin to work in the sequel of THE BATMAN as DoP They did a great job in these movies, and Seresin's style would be a perfect fit
Seresin is great, but Fraser is on another level atm.
@@micahhynson27yeah, The Batman is one of the most incredibly shot movies I’ve seen in the last five years. I love Dawn because of the writing and performance, but I think The Batman looks better
@@Johnny5isstillalive Not to mention Dune 1 and 2.
@@Johnny5isstillalive i think the style and tone for both movies suit the respective cinematographers.
An extra win for the this movie and the entire trilogy for not overusing Ceasar's "NO!" in forced scenes for the sequels. Rise is just special!
well, he did went from "NO!" to "GO!" to speaking full sentences lol
Koba and Carter are a reminder of a grim, harsh truth: it only takes one. As long as there is a non-zero number, we are not safe.
I'm glad Koba just wasn't the power hungry villain who was jealous of Caesar.
12:04 if you want more of Gary Oldman shooting stuff in movies might I recommend The Fifth Element. Please.
On a related note, I saw Monkey Man yesterday and now I'm just hanging out for the EGA for it.
What sucks to me for Carver, is the actor played Joe Toye from band of Brothers. on one side I was happy to see he was getting good roles, but the guy is a phenomenal actor
Pain Heals but glory last forever is damn cool line.
The Replacements is a movie FILLED with these lines. Check it out if you haven't. Seriously underrated gem
I just wanted to point out, One thing I love about the early dynamic with Cesar and Koba, the scene with the bear, They know each other so well in a scrap, that when Cesar is confronted with the bear, and he hears Kobe coming, he stands up And makes that howl, so that the bear will stand up on its haunches and roars in an intimidation gesture of it own, set up Koba for the easy kill
A lot of the reason bonobos are so chill is their mating system and social structure. I’m not gonna give details lol but they build very strong interpersonal relationships but koba doesn’t HAVE these social relationships so it makes sense that he’s not as calm.
This guy gets it. This guy gets how much I love these movies. They carried me through lockdown, without them I genuinely dont think I'd be the person I am today
Human work. Human work. Takes Coba from a bad guy to a pretty good character.
I love this channel more than words. Provides so much joy.
Jason Clarke doesn't get the credit he deserves. Brilliant aussie actor.
I just have to comment on the music Michael Giacchino wrote for this movie. The first track, Level Plaguing Field, is so good. It set the melancholy tone of the film briliantly and it's just so so so good. And the visuals sync up with the detuned piano in the background really well to create a powerful clip that really stays with you. If you can give this film's OST a listen, please do. It's a real work of art!
Fun fact: That was an ACTUAL TANK they got from the army
Always loved this trilogy and Dawn was definitely my favourite, glad you covered it.
The best thing about this movie is just how grey the conflict is. Both sides have one her and one villain in charge. Caesar and Malcolm are idealists who think they can co-exist. Meanwhile Dreyfus and Koba are both shaped by loss/suffering, and feel very patriotic towards their species, to the point of only feeling safe if the other side is wiped out completely. It's especially direct in Koba's case, as he is an abuse victim, who has enjoyed 10 years of peace, and suddenly his tortures come back, and start demanding stuff that will help the rebuild their society and come to power again. Koba literally sees that humans will get the power running again, rebuild, and throw him in a cage again. So he does everything he can, to put a stop to it. But as he takes more and more self serving actions, he sort of becomes a tyrant as well, because the only way he can break the apes who have learned from Caesars peaceful ways, is by establishing himself as the strongest. But yeah, it's interesting to have a good and a bad guy on both sides, and not just one dimensional bad guys, but bad guys who's motivation we can understand.
One cool scene I really liked was when the apes are coming out of the subway and Caesar walks through the turnstile but the other apes jump and climb over it, just showing how much smarter he is than the others.
I've been waiting for everything for this.
This was the movie I watched alone around when I was 14-15 years old and man I rewatched it twice cause of how amazing it was; also Koba’s screams are so feral, guttural and full of rage while Cesar has that roar of a lion of a leader and Toby was amazing, his mannerisms as Koba were the selling point of Dawn
1:53 Did I expect a The Replacements reference? No. But I see you, Cinema Wins.
I will never get over how straight up cool the apes look on horseback
I watch this movie in theaters is just amazing I feel the secuel can't be this good when the monkeys are more interesting than the humans Man i didnt know is Matt Reeves he knows to make fire and night scenes
Just rewatched Dawn because of this video. Holy hell, it's such a good movie. Hard to believe it's already 10 years old! Its effects hold up infinitely better than most VFX churned out today. And the story is still so excellent, the themes even more harrowing and relevant in the years since its release. I am so stoked to watch your video about War and watch the movie itself, too!
I remember checking multiple times over years to see if you covered these movies, im so glad youre covering not one but all of the movies!
Kirk Acevedo, who plays Carver, is one of my favorite actors. I'm always excited to see him pop up in something. I've never been disappointed in his performance.
Hey man I love your work. I’ve been watching since your Deadpool video, and I appreciate the optimistic take on beloved and… less beloved movies. Recently though, I’ve noticed a slightly more politicized commentary coming from you, and while I don’t necessarily disagree with anything you’re saying, it always kinda pulls away from the wonder and escapism that this channel seems to be built around. I’ve always loved your work, and I love these movies, so it’s jarring to suddenly be pulled into COVID discussion or “humanity bad” commentary that saturates everywhere else. Nothing but respect for you and what you do, and nobody else gets to dictate how you run your channel. Just thought I’d let you know how a fan of yours feels about it. God bless and best to your family!
Personally I like it. It's refreshing to see political discourse handled so well and points being made in context of the movies. You may not like politics in film and video essays about films. But it is necessary for the public discourse. We need to do better. We need to vote better. We need to educate ourselves and each other to do better.
Thanks! I still have those suggestions for the coming months or whenever you can: 1. Request #32 for Jurassic Park 2 (1997) and 3 (2001). 2. Request #21 for Shrek (2001) 3. Request #22 for Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981). I also understand how you might be busy with Dune: Part 2 and possibly Oppenheimer. But still take your time. Love you, CinemaWins!!! Also is next week (from the War Planet Ape Nebula video): Other trilogy?
You were on point calling Koba a zealot. That's why he was most likely to fall. Leaders can't meet forever the expectations of those who put them on a pillar.
Watch the entire Caesar Trilogy earlier this week and they still hold up as great movies. Thanks for covering them as well here. Can't wait for Kingdom.
This is one of my favorite movie channels on KZhead ❤ I would love to see an everything great about invincible season 1 and 2. I loved ur one villainous scene video !
I know it’s because Ruby Gillman was delayed, but it’s a nice surprise to have two Cinemawins videos in a week! Also hoping for future EGA videos about Wish Nimona Argylle Wonka Sing 2 The Bad Guys Game Night and the Scream series.
Another thing I love about Koba was that he was a sympathetic villain done right. We DO feel sorry for him and completely get why he's so hateful and bloodthirsty, but his actions put him in a very villainous light that we still root against him. Usually when it comes to sympathetic villains, it becomes difficult who to root for because we feel bad for the villain. But in Koba's case, we know he needs to be stopped. And it also makes his death tragic too, but a necessary one.
recently rewatched all the planet of the apes prequels in preparation for kingdom and I neeeeeeed your everything great about war for the planet of the apes.
Do everything great about 'The Bad Guys' you know you want to do itttt
EGA An American Tail* EGA Balto EGA Bolt EGA Cats Don't Dance EGA Despicable Me* EGA Hotel Transylvania* EGA Ice Age* EGA Over the Hedge EGA PAW Patrol: The Movie EGA PAW Patrol: The Mighty Movie EGA Ratchet & Clank EGA Robots EGA Shark Tale EGA Sing 2 EGA Space Jam EGA Star Wars: The Clone Wars EGA Thunderbirds EGA Tom & Jerry: The Movie (1993) EGA Trolls: World Tour EGA Trolls: Band Together (*And videos for the sequels)
Add Rango to the list
@@theblazinken3501 How 'bout no.
OMG Balto yes, my childhood movie😭 Still brings me to tears.
wait didnt we just get a video yesterday? this is a nice surprise lol, tho im still wondering if we will get the video for monarch legacy of monsters cause im really excited for that one as i loved the show so much
Oh my god! You mentioned Firestorm! 🤞you mention Revelations in the War video
This reboot has been stellar
The whole reboot series needs to be studied in film schools so future filmmakers understand how to make a reboot that is actually better than the original.
Love your videos ❤
Okay, yesterday you give us an animated DreamWorks film with Ruby Gillman (you forgot a win for the DreamWorks logo transitioning into jellyfish), and now Dawn of the Planet of the Apes today?
Thanks for releasing this on my birthday
Loved the video! Any word on if you're gonna do Sonic 2 in prep for Knuckles in a few days?
I was thinking about it, and Koba and Caesar probably got the most “brain juice” right? Caesar got a double dose, Koba got dosed and experimented on at the lab and then he also got gassed again too… right? I was wondering why he’s so intelligent and in seemingly a different way than a lot of the apes, understanding manipulation and scheming on a deeper level but I guess he technically is one of the smartest apes alive at that point. Makes sense that one of the smartest apes with the most anger and drive to learn and become “better than the humans” in every way would make him a serious threat.
Best Film Of The Franchise and one of the best blockbuster films ever made. Andy And Toby deserved Oscar Nominations. Such a thrilling and deep film. Hope Kingdom Of The Planet Of The Apes captures what made this so good.
this is one of my favourite films of all time. and it is now, watching this video, i realise truly how jealous i am of your job. fair play good sir
day 1 of asking for Horton hears a Who (2008) (I love your videos! Horton hears a Who was my favourite when I was a kid and it's really underrated, I'm sure you'll love it!)
Thanks for this!
Thanks for this! 🦧
Funny you mention your EGA on Starship Troopers, since I've been wondering when you'll do EGAs about Invasion and Traitor of Mars. Eh? Ehhh?
So apparently in a deleted scene from War for the Planet of the Apes, it’s confirmed that some time between the events of Dawn and War, Malcom is executed by Woody Harrelson’s character and that honestly makes this movie so much more heart breaking.
Do you think you could do "John Carter" and Disney's "Lone Ranger"? Both movies are actually very good with awesome effects and good stories, but were murdered by Disney failing to promote them well. I'd love to see your opinion!! Also, JP3 when?
Did you just diss a whiskey? Mark Twain didn't write several quips and then die for this
11:11 Hey 11:11 make a wish! Mr. Inbetween has the sickest needle drop of this song as the last episode ends.
Please consider reviewing "A Monster in Paris" (2011). The animation is a bit odd, but the story is excellent with a nice twist on monster tropes. Something family friendly, where both kids and adults would enjoy it
I'm so so excited for Kingdom!
MY MAN! Finally got to one of my favorite franchises 😁😄
Koba is such a tragic character. He can never get over the fact that he was tortured and experimented on by the humans and does not understand that humans are also kind. He was not raised by Will like Caesar was.
can’t believe he posted this video right when i finished watching the trilogy
17:54 Damn, that's a good line.
This movie I only just watched for the first time recently and holy hell is it one of the best movies out there. It's a movie about talking monkeys but somehow is one of the most human films ever. Like how the hell does this movie work this well?
Can you do everything great about Stardust and Coraline?
Would love to see an episode on the A-team (2010) with Liam Neeson. Seems perfect for the channel.
I like how Koba's speech is the most similar to a human despite his hate for them.
and now we pray for a EGA about mockingjay and tbosas and hope it doesn’t take like 10 years 😭
Recently rewatched this , still wish they got to make peace