Borg Queen Is Aware Of Q • Star Trek Picard S02E02

I was hoping for this, or for the more human Seven to ask and the Queen to reply 'I will comply.'

Seven: "Will you COMPLY?" Borg Queen: " If I resist?" Seven: "Resistance is FUTILE!!"

"irrelevant" LOL

I think seven has done a lot to suppress her Borg mannerisms since VOY ended

Exactly......thats the dif between good and great...

She was so beautiful.

Hear, hear!

When did she die?

@@termopylae5506 January 29. 💔

@@glennhubbard5008 so sad 😥

Cool it w the anti semitism

Consider also Doctor Who. Every Christmas, a variety of aliens attack London.

@@PassportToPimlico Doctor Who's production budget especially pre-Whittaker era was a great deal smaller than what the current Paramount conglomerate can accomplish. But if they wanted to save some money for some reason I would rather see a old Star Trek staple of a "ship in a bottle" episode. But that is for a series that's low on funds but rich in ideas like TNG's "Drumhead", unfortunately STD/STP is coming from a low in ideas rich in funds type model.

Welcome to a TV budget. You make allowances.

The shift was probably caused by gas prices reaching $9 per gallon

Oh 100%!! Great call! When it comes to the entire Star Trek universe, I find myself on occasion, finding either Spock or Picard as my absolute favourite characters.

100%

She knows of Nagilum as well as of Aleister Crowley and the destruction of earth in a firestorm in the year 1904. Timeline awareness; pray there is no dominant time predator who´s watchin´you!

And she also knows there is nothing she can do about the Q Continuum. All to powerful for them.

@@ileria3 Or, perhaps Q is the Borg’s “perfection” they wish to attain?

You got to give Q Credit, when he fucks something up, he fucks it up but good!

But he now did

Still wish we had an explanation for that. On the subject of Q Jr., since Q undid the past and presumably Voyager never went to the delta quadrant, does Jr. still exist?

@@LegendX2010 I’d think anything that Q wants to exist, exists. Which is to say, who knows?

@@LegendX2010 As Q as said, humanity has an extremely limited understanding of spacetime. Presumably they can exist even with the changes made to our reality.

If the Borg queen can detect changes to reality due to a temporal 6th sense then it's plausible that she could detect the presence of a Q and cause them no end of annoyance.

I just read about it. She was a good actress.

Yes, RIP annie, we love you! even as the Borg queen!

I didnt think she was that good, but it was probably more the script and direction than the actress.

I literally shrieked when I first saw her name in the credits, because her gift of portraying chilling lethality was simply breathtaking. ❤ She will always remain my favorite Borg queen (apologies to Ms. Krige)! In her last appearance on the Rookie she looked worryingly unwell, and Nathan Fillion had several sadly somber micro-expressions that didn’t completely fit the scene. We couldn’t find anything about her health in the media at the time, but in retrospect she must have known this was her swan song. Gone too soon; she’ll be forever missed. 💔

RIP

yes sparks replace acting and emotion

@@__-fi6xg yes, you're right - Borgs are known for their emotions.

@@beepoasa funnily enough i get what you mean but also she's the ONE exception

​@@beepoasaBorg Queens are in fact known for their emotions. That's part of their reason to exist.

Sfx team fixing the acting and writing where they can. 😂

I was reminded of the cyclon basestar navigator, too.

You picked up on that too! She's a Hybrid now.

how the mighty has fallen. Comes to mind

So say we all!

"Jump!"🤣

Bingo. & i think he is partially connectes to the watcher since ds9 had some similar storylines

@@NICKRITZER I really want to see what they'll do too, I'm curious how Sisko's trip will impact this from San Francisco to LA

"Seek the watcher".... perhaps the Prophets have deposited Sisko back in 2024 as Gabriel Bell?

It might be Guinan again. I don’t think that Picard wants to interfere with Sisko & co., assuming he even knows they’re there. 🤔

@@NICKRITZER not to mention that the episode in question did specifically say that time got changed to the worst because of the original changes Sisko did when he replaced Bell. So if Sisko and Picard meet in the version where things weren't fixed, it would explain why things are so bad.

1 Black star year 1969 tos 2 year 1968 Gary Seven encounter 3 ST4 TVH a bird of prey year 1980s

Also the Enterprise before tng was sent forward through time from proton torpedo blasts.

You expect these writers to know anything about Star Trek?

@@RichterPhallos did anyone read or seen? yes i expect seems someone forget.eh well but i did live the past.

@@jimward89 The modern Trek is just crap. I wanted to like it. I tried to like it. I failed. It's just awful. Star Trek is dead. Now, it's some THING wearing Star Trek's skin. Like Hannibal Lector, or The Thing. A gross imposter that thinks it knows how it's supposed to act, but who's false skin is obviously seen through by anyone who knows the show.

Q must be so fun to write about in the creative process... anything goes

Wouldn't be much of a test if you could only fail and we've seen that Q actually likes humanity, in sort of an endearing playing with your pet goldfish sort of way. He would give them whatever advantage he saw fit.

@@kevinslater4126 True. He's unstable but still trying to help Picard. I think Q's illness, if you want to call it that, is somehow wrapped into this story too.

Q will always give you the tools. You just have to be clever enough to put it all together

Alternate time lines in trek are generally weird like that. People are still surprisingly similar and timelines reconverge constantly.

If picard had Data back he wouldn't need spock or a borg queen.

In the end, you still need someone logical to counter illogical problem, so the emotional you can take tat calculated risk. Damz i love star trek from TOS to TNG.

You nailed it !!!🌹

They're probably remembered like Ulysses Grant and General Patton.

@@VCYT i tought Seven was a genius also.

"If the Continuum has told you once, they have told you a thousand times: DON'T PROVOKE THE BORG!!!" - Q, to Q Junior VOY: "Q2".

For some reason the Q fears/respects the borg.

@@termopylae5506 I think they are one his favorites

@@termopylae5506 I would assume the Q fear FOR the humans and wish Q jr. not to provoke the Borg in the same way a farmer would not want his kid to feed coyotes. In fear they would destroy his other animals.

That just means the Q is not as omnipotent as they want you to think but are simply very advanced aliens.

The old Borg Queen died in the last episode of Voyager, she was a slightly different species than this one.

Borg Queen died when Picard broke her spinal cord in half in Star Trek first contact

@@WatchThis-ek2og I think the key part of @Odo-el2mh's comment was the "in real life" part. As in, not talking about death in the show.

@@powahwave8915 See my comment to @WatchThis-ek2og. But essentially, notice the "in real life" in @Odo-el2mh's comment. Ponder on what they could have meant by including that phrase.

q had man crush on pricard for billions of years, he dont like the absolutism of the borg so much, and knows what a threat they are to all independent thought

I loved Patrick Stewart in that old 'made for tv' version of Moby Dick

Nothing wrong with casting as far as the look it's just how they carry themselves and how on the nose the script is. I don't necessarily need starfleet starch again but it'd be nice not to feel like they're trying to ape marvel humor. The show feels like parts of the tone are coming from other contemporary shows without thought to how those tones would interact with Star Trek.

Yes, the light hearted jokiness, and overt liberalism ruins this series as we see all to often now, can they take scenes like this more serious and thereby more believable would make a far more enthralling program

I watched Ep 3 And as I supspected the time travel to the modern day is bieng used to tell woke stories about immigrants and minioritys , it’s a shame really , I want Sci fi not a left wing poltical drama, it’s a shame becasue my favorite Carachter is Rios

Lol!

If you haven't seen it watch Season 2 of Amazon's "Bosch." Ryan is the widow of an Armenian mobster, and will do anything to get her hands on his ill-gotten $'s. She's absolutely fantastic in the role. 😊👍

I miss her Voyager character. Now she's just a boring human

She and Kate Mulgrew (who played Captain Janeway) had a terrible working relationship and she was practically bullied by her so I'm glad that they chose her to come back to the Trek universe...

​@@xenomorphlover deservedly. Ryan was only brought on as T&A. She can barely act.

@@remus80 it was supposed to be Harry they dumped for her but because Garrett Wang was TV’s hottest man 1998 or something they got rid of Kes instead.

It's like de-'menacing' the Xenomorph from the Aliens what they did here just to attract fans.. you just know they're bringing Data back as well.. just to attract viewers and then disappoint them again. This writer's team is so creatively bankrupt

@@theyshouldhavenevergivenme5439 Yep all I feel they are doing is just calling on fan nostalgia for the most part. While I have no problem with having casts of prior series being on the show but comparing Patrick Stewart’s acting from the TNG to Picard, to me it’s blatantly obvious the years have caught up with the man. To me it’s kinda a mistake basing the whole series around a single character and it’s actor especially when they’re in their 80’s. It’s ironic since “Captain Picard” is my favourite character besides Worf from TNG but it’s quite clear that Patrick Stewart just doesn’t have the vigour needed at least for the main character role that he is playing. Add in the poor writing and just dreary tone of the series I don’t expect it to match the grandeur of past trek.

this show is absolute shit. they ruined everything

It was 0.68 seconds not milliseconds, sorry. Well.... someone had to say it!

@@tomstamford6837 It have been years since i saw it, time for a refresher from when it still was good i think. No need to apologize for stating facts. Data would be proud of you. :)

She really really did.

Good guess!

Perceiving the change in timelines is not an ability of all El-Aurians, its the ability of people like Guinan, who lived in the nexus. The nexus exist outside of space and time so when people get back from it, a part of them still exist outside of space and time and therefor they can perceive the change in timelines from the outside.

Nice catch!

@@adamryan977 Picard was in the Nexus and did not gain that ability.

@@adamryan977 it was also alluded to that El-Aurians had more than natural abilities when it was shown that Q was actually afraid of Guinan.

So well done!

was looking for someone else that noticed - so well done!

When you said Tom Nook, my mind immediately jumped to Animal Crossing.

RIP.

Robopussy

@@dickhardpicard Meow

@@dickhardpicard Meow

And she's going to betray them

@@dlkhills the borg's nature notwithstanding, I knew she will betray them from the tone she said yes.

Music can make a HUGE difference in how effective a scene is.

I love the continuity of music in Trek! ❤️

@@aoconnor2933 Same :D

No it doesnt, and this show is trash

Well there was the temporal prime directive.

The Guardian Of Forever: 'Hold my beer!'...😏

@@hydewhyte4364 Which apparently didn't exist in TOS, as in one of the episodes (I believe "Assignment: Earth") the Enterprise was ORDERED into the past, for a historical study. But it wouldn't be the first time something from TOS was ignored in TNG and onwards :P

@@hydewhyte4364 And seriously... Wolf 359. F*ck the Temporal Prime Directive. I would GLADLY take the court martial if it meant undoing things like that.

I love the explanation that it required Spock's abilities to do it. That was my head canon all along. Spock discovered the technique and we never saw anyone but Kirk & Spock's crew do it.

Interesting theory indeed. Add a twist she is Soran's sister who is seeking revenge upon his death at Picard's hand.

I like that what if!

I think your all given the current writers way too much credit for having the level of imagination, creativity and knowledge of trek to have come up with something like that.

@@mmogaddict Agreed, sadly :(

@@LGranthamsHeir well I mean if Sir Patrick Stewart was part of the creative team, I could see it happening.

Yeah, except with pathetic delivery, substance, or emotional impact or excitement. Just geriatric ramblings from a washed up nut case. It's fucking sad.

@@pickledblowfish6178 He sounds drunk or on drugs to me... stumbling over lines he would have delivered just fine before. My guess is the guy is fed up with his character... I can't imagine what it was like for years to have to answer inane questions about a job you did for a paycheck. I kinda got the sense about him when they were auctioning off all the old show memorabilia once and he was laughing about how much a fan would pay for a flute from the show that doesn't even work.

Did it? Sounded old, weak and timid.

@@pickledblowfish6178 did u watch TNG? It's not just the acting, the writing was much better. TNG was as much an intro to science course as it was a philosophy class. Even if the acting was better, these storylines are so 1 dimensional. That's the larger travesty for me.

@@pickledblowfish6178 oh and as for Stewart who was a great actor, he's senile, you need a lot of your frontal lobe to manipulate and understand your emotional state, he has lost a lot of his, as frankly, we all do around that age.

Same. I think she said she was on Earth during the riots

Weird theory: Whoopi Goldberg, who plays Guinan, will be Guinan using the alias Whoopi Goldberg.

@@anthonybarnes6298 Blew. My tiny little. MIND. :D

Now we know that young Guinan is NOT the watcher. The Watcher is another Gary Seven of Star Trek TOS with kirk and spock. They are called SUPERVISORS. And the Borg Queen is also aware of them I guess by gathering all Starfleet historic records including Kirk's Enterprise.

@@SophiaAphrodite she has been on Earth since Mark Twains times but she departed Earth probably on 21st century because Chekov, Scotty and Kirk on a newer enterprise rescued them as refugees during the Borg assimilation of the El-Aurian. Guinan on 24th century told Picard that she had dealings with Q couple centuries ago and my guess is that it refers to all this episodes of PICARD SEASON TWO in the year 2024.

No not at all , trust her completely 🤣

@@DaraGaming42 I would like to see some temporal interference from groups, beings involved in the temporal cold war.

To be fair, she has everything to gain from helping them and nothing to gain from hindering them. In this continuity, the collective has been eradicated after all. She, almost more than anyone, would want time to be returned to normal.

It shouldn't be about trust. The borg aren't evil and they are logical.

they don't have much of a choice

Brilliant speculation! I hope you’re correct. ❤️

You just blew my mind

What if the watcher is SIsko since he is a wormhole alien.

@@ekaj254 nah, they mention sisko by name as an admiral in the alt universe, since everything there is sorta the same but not radically different and in other places it's mentioned sisko returns from the wormhole in the main timeline, I think the logical choice for Watcher is Guinan. Plus showrunners mentioned in S3 of Picard there's going to be more DS9 stuff. Guinan being in the alt timeline makes sense since it's only a few hundred years since we saw her there with Mark Twain. How they'll explain the aging might be tricky, or at least, they'll have to explain why she took the decision to appear more aged (she says in the first episode El-Aurians can choose) before the TNG events rather than later. I like the Jurati theory though, it makes total sense given they hide the identity of the BQ and she literally counters everything they do minus the self destruct.

The CGI people will be working over-time to make Whoopi Goldberg young and slim.

how original.

You talking about my post or what they did with the design?

She looks like a cosplay version of the movie queen...

IIRC Star Trek: Online has an origin story for the Borg. Memory Alpha probably has a nice summary if you don't feel like going through that game for some additional (beta-canon) lore.

@@FiXato as nerdy as this may sound, I have reviewed those before, but they were just mostly theories and differences. Guinan herself in season 2 stated that the Borg have been around for thousands of years. Which didn't line up with most of those other theories. But no one has taken into account time travel. The Borg seem to know all to well how to travel in time, and even feel things thought time. But they haven't mastered conquest through the means of traveling in time. Kind of ironic don't you think? Lol

Aren't there novels on the origin of the Borg? I read them a long long time ago. Like a super race of explorers and a few got stranded, one of them consumed the others to survive but the hunger dissolved her mind. She was a perfectionist or something like that. Her race was able to synthesize the omega particle for power which the Borg long to capture above anything else. The Borg queen is the long distant remnant of that original female that got stranded and she had to use bionics to keep her body alive. But the hunger dissolved her mind so she focused so much on perfection and being more and more perfect. I don't think I have the details right but it was something like that.

Ngl I really hope it's not done in this fashion though, I hate all of this new stuff and it's weird mix of ''off the cuff out of place misfiring snark'' and ''ultra clean and polished looking CGI everything''. They'll fuck it up, in other words.

Made me cringe. Millennial dialogue writing is so awful.

@@TheNightWatcher1385 I’m so sorry for your secondhand embarrassment.

Your first shit of the morning is better than season 1.

First Contact is pretty bad though, just like all the TNG movies.

@@HOTD108_ then have fun watching Star Trek V 😂

@@HOTD108_ i liked Them all

@@HOTD108_ FC was great.

It belongs to Doc Brown and Marty McFly's universe, NOT the Trek universe 😄

They are still 9 years from inventing a temporal drive.

Flux capacitor actually gets mentioned in TNG or DS9 a couple times.

She would have at least been aware of the existence of Q from Picard's time as Locutus

@Jay Nirbo Alot of the show does have poor writing, but sadly the Borg did learn of Q from when Picard was assimilated. Even the episode it happened pointed out that Locutus was a threat because whatever Picard knows will be used against the federation and the main characters. Its counting on the audience remembering this.

@Jacko Sargs "I just don't care for how John Luke Picard has been treated..." You seem to have a very strong opinion on how a character has been treated, considering that you don't even know that characters name. It's "Jean-Luc Picard", not "John Luke Picard". "the whole thing just feels like people pushing an agenda" As oppossed to all other Star Trek? A show which was explicitly conceived of, and written, to advance a social agenda?

@Jacko Sargs "the best you can do is attack my disabilit" I didn't attack any disability; I pointed out that you don't even know the character's name, because you don't know the first thing about Star Trek, and are just using it as a prop to scrrech and complain. "this isn't about addressing social issues this is about hitting you over the head with it presenting only one side and essentially lecturing you" Ah, so very different than classic Star Trek episodes like "Let That Be Your last Battlefield" or "Somewhere Beyond the Stars", then? Because those were so very subtle in their commentary, and absolutely presented "the other side" of the issue, didn't they? I mean, Star Trek's obviously renowned for it's subtlety, isn't it? And remind me, given that Picard's none-too-subtle themes include "fascists are terrible" and "bigotry is bad", what's the other side that you think needs their perspective presented? "that's the politics of your generation" Is it really? And what generation is that? "It's kind of ironic coming from the people that want to cancel Dukes of Hazzard" What the Hell are you talking about? Dukes of Hazzard was cancelled in 1985. Who do you think is trying to cancel it 37 years later?

she is not aware of continuum. picard just tlels someone named q changed timeline and he asks borg what he did, not that who q is.

Haha, Borg Queen voice on Apple Maps or Google Maps might freak me out. 🤔

Oh I think shes going to pull some kind of sick stunt at somepoint. question is how and when. That devious smile gives it away.

@@happisakshappiplace.6588 Even though she's in a stacious chamber, if it were to break during an accident she could cause by bad advice, she can assimilate them. I guess we shall see...

Brother Chris rco stasis!

''make the next left turn at mars, an straight on''

low functioning dialogue for those who are similar

You just know she will turn on them at a moment's notice. She will play ally for a while, just a while.

I think she's going to send them not come with them

What can go wrong? Seriously, what CAN go wrong?...🙄

@@charlestaylor253 sh*t hitting the fan hard, that's what.... never let the Borg out your sight.

Question about "First Contact"-movie: Was it explained how the Borg sphere was able to travel back in time? What prevents them trying that over and over again?

Kirk did use that method of time travel with his Enterprise in two episodes, as well.

@@williambell3304 which episodes

@@epicmadnesss well on the spot I can't remember the titles but in one they were going back accidentally and reversed it to get home, along the way they accidentally abducted a US fighter pilot and had to steal back all evidence of themselves. And in another, now that it was known that was possible, they were SENT back to observe a key moment in the Cold War and accidentally intercepted an interstellar spy.

@@williambell3304 original TV episodes right? I admit I never saw most of them. Just space seed part 1 and 2. Mainly just binged off the movies

@@epicmadnesss Ok got them "Tomorrow is Yesterday" and "Assignment: Earth." Note the second one doesn't show them actually time travelling they just say they did in the log.

lol

@@Spotcats why,laugh?Agree with me.

@Ranulf van Hellway Agree. I grew up with Trek as my thing. Got made fun of for it even. lol I collected tech manuals, Rules of Acquisition and learned them. Have the Klingon dictionary. Model ships, cards signed by the actors. I even have a DS9 uniform. I LOVE Star Trek. Discovery and Picard may be waring Trek skin, but its NOT STAR TREK ! It's violent, edgy, hateful, crazy, rage filled characters running about murdering each other wile drinking and doing drugs. Picard going around apologizing for what? Being the most amazing character in the Trek Universe save for Kirk, Spock, Bones? To top it off, they bring RACISM to Earth... In STAR TREK! It's just preposterous! I grew up genuinely thinking racism was dead in the real world because I listened to Trek talk about it like its a thing of the past. Kurtzman and all his writers need to GO. Or just take the show off the air for good. Trek shouldn't be a damn "platform" for BS messaging.

Too old? Stewart was only 45 when TNG first aired.

@@jordanfitzgerald7886 I didn't know that.When the show started i had only seen a young Captain Kirk.That's what i expected in deep space travel.Stewart proved me wrong.Okay?

Oh shit, she sure does!

Seven seems to have forgotten that The Borg only helps The Borg. The only thing the Queen will help them do is make more Borg.

@@Jmaul85 I mean she pulled the same thing when she was borg in Scorpion Pt 2

@@AestusL4 She sure did! Hell Seven even went as far as telling them she would betray them and they were actually surprised she did!

It looks more like 2 syllables to me. One with the lips and the other in the mouth. Possibly "stupid".

Q slapped the whole starship on the other side of the cosmos

Also his son “ Jr “ on voyager interacted with them and his father scolded him saying “ don’t provoke the Borg “

I'm thinking the Watcher is Guinan as well, because I don't think they'd bring her back just for one brief chat with Picard. She has her own history to carry with the Borg, too, to say nothing of Q (I can't imagine them NOT crossing paths being in the cards). That said, the Borg just seem to be really good with time travel, but they've probably assimilated many races interested in it. Guinan's senses were not universal to her species (if the El-Aurian on DS9 is any indication), seemingly just those who were caught in the Nexus ribbon and beamed back. When Guinan sensed things, she knew they weren't right, such as knowing something's wrong when the Enterprise-C changes the timeline in TNG but she can't say what's wrong. She knows Tasha should be dead, can't say how it happened, only that it was meaningless. The Queen pinpoints the reason for the time change down to the date, year, and location in a second! I think this actress is great for the role. It's hard to upstage Alice Krige in the part, but I'm impressed at how she captures the eerie quality.

Could the watcher also be Sarah Silverman’s character from voyager? She was a “watcher” an astronomer. 🤔

Ohh yeah she's the watcher....but she's going to look older in the past than she did on TNG. I wonder how they plan to work around that.

Either Guinan, or one of Gary Seven’s people.

The only thing that really annoys me is when Q turned up in ng an guinan basically made her hand like a paw as if to scratch him if he got rowdy

Yeh, she's head and shoulders above most of Picard's gang...😏

@@charlestaylor253 HA HA! I see what you did there.

someone else pointed this out, when Seven turn her back to the Queen you can her shake her head and mouth the word "No" at 3:30-3:32

@@phantom117b4 - it's not "no" she says. It looks like two syllables. "Stupid" maybe?

@@nagillim7915 either way, it's foreshadowing the Queen betraying the crew in the future

Of course they had. Even Q were cautious with the Collective. As Q said to his son: "If i told You once, the Continuum told You a thousand times: DON'T PROVOKE THE BORG!!!"

It's not canon, but the reason Q introduced the borg to humanity was likely not to test humanity but to deter the borg from being a threat to the Q. Distract them, since the Q clearly fear the borg. Though the borg also were set upon gianan's people, and she and the Q are enemies, so the borg likely are aware of the Q in some form and often sent to eliminate the continiums enemies... Though should lazy writing prevail, the borg were the first species the Q revealed themselves to, and the borg seeks to master the universe like them and the borg's scattered memories of it's inception is due to the Q trying to destroy the borg time and time again... that or something even dumber, there is no writing talent at CBS anymore.

@@EMHMarkIX This doesn't necessarily mean that the Borg could pose any threat to the Continuum whatsoever. I highly doubt that. Please take a closer look at the 'extended' Kardashev scale (Wikipedia, etc.) that theoretically classifies the stage of development of indivudual civilizations: The Borg appear to be a type II+ civilization whereas the Q Continuum appears to greatly exceed type IV - arguably the Q are a type V civilization. They are simply off limits for the Borg. Q's moralizing lecture could mean something else. Maybe even the Continuum has some kind of 'prime directive / moral code of conduct' and doesn't want to provoke the Borg, because doing so could cause the Collective to seriously harm lesser races by accident. In a figural sense, it's like sticking a stick into a bee hive - with unforeseeable consequences for the 'local environment'. Q can't play havoc with the universe / torment lesser beings as they please. Individual Q were severely punished for such misbehavior by the Continuum, e.g. Q himself in STTNG: 'Déjà Q' and his son in STVOY: 'Q2'.

I took it as her accessing Locutus' memory bank and describing Q.

Excellent !!

But she no longer has her Borg implants

But she is no longer 7.

True she could but the Queen is 1000 times faster and far more accurate than she is

@@matthew8153 her consciousness is the same though. Everyone that Q moved retained their original timeline memories, experiences, personalities etc. They were all immediately aware they'd been shifted. You could argue that being moved into a body without cybernetic implants would reduce her intellectual abilities but as she demonstrated when the Borg Queen was first brought out of status, she retained her knowledge of the Borg, which will include the knowledge she gained when assimilated. That's how she knew the Queen had the ability to hear alternate reality versions and echoes and what component allowed her to do so.

Yes but she is no longer Borg here.

The only decent thing on any of these new shows is shit they took from other series.

Wat

Well they assimilated the El-Aurian homeworld and we know from Guinan that they were familiar with Q, so it would make sense that they'd have more than Picard's perspective.

I find it hard to believe that at least one member of the Q Continuum wouldn't have gone to taunt the collective at some point.

@@Peatingtune yes, in fact it was in an episode of voyager. Qs son Q taunted them

There is also Picard himself. He knew of the Q continuum before he was assimilated so the Borg would as well.

Wait until episode three…it never seems to end and leaves you thinking, “that could have been an email and not a full staff meeting”. 🤣

Really? The acting is terrible. Feels nothing like tng

"Literally...?"

The problem here is that in this universe it is possible that Spock did not "exist". In the hall of skulls, one of those belonged to "Sarek of Vulcan" aka Spock's father. Keep also in mind that if Spock had been born in that universe he would likely would have been killed (notice the reference to Paxton in the president's speech). An "easter egg" from the very end of the Enterprise Series where Paxton sought to eradicate aliens by creating a human/vulcan clone. If this was done in this universe, it would have likely sparked a rebellion.

Two Borg queens are still just one Borg queen. The Borg queen is basically a master control program to keep the collective functional and working towards its main directive of assimilation. She's a distributed consciousness across multiple physical Borg units of which can be added to or subtracted from as necessary.

Q said that Sarek died in front of his son, implying that it was Spock. But even if he were alive, this Spock may not have used the slingshot method. He could still do it, but it would be difficult to get to him and convince him to mindmeld with Picard or Seven, in order to verify their claims.

@@mat0018 - not necessarily Spock. It could have been Sybok.

I don't think they really had time to look for someone on LinkedIn. I'm a bit confused that Seven didn't fit the bill. I guess she's slightly impaired due to her non-existent Borg implants, but, her eidetic memory and general cognitive ability seems intact so...

She has all of the memories and experiences of many humans, including Picard. In the second it took her to calculate the date she probably also recalled that it was a time that predated stardates. My only disappointment was that when Seven asked her if she would help, that she didn't reply 'I will comply.'

@@DaviesD85 "I will comply" is more of a drone response though. The queen has never responded in that way before.

@@wallacewallaby5782 this isn't the same Queen. I think it's been established that there's a replacement when a Queen dies. Other Queens have used the term before when commanding others so it's a word they use in the context of agreeing or refusing to take part of something.

She gets cloned and replicated with the same memories/personality it seems.

@@LordExor I'm not sure that's the case but I think it's established canon that they prefer to use women of her particular species because of their natural ability to process and store information, and if her species was assimilated entirely, they'd have hundreds of thousands or millions of others to use. At first I thought this Queen was a different species because of the unique pattern of holes or indentations running from behind her eyes, but it looks like they might be a result of the tubes going into her head, they seem to line up. She could be the same species but I don't think she's a clone.

That's what I'm saying

You are just old . U have to be open to new things

@@zorintoto1167 funny that you immediately insult him because he doesn't agree with you

I agree. Also, get rid of the apostrophe in "series."

Very Interesting, good analysis of what's going on. A small point of contention, and a technicality: It's been made pretty clear that this reality is the prime universe, changed along the timeline. There is a very specific Mirror Universe, and other Universes in Star Trek, but it's pretty clear so far that this is decidedly not the Mirror universe, the mirror universe would have it's own Picard (barring a transport accident that could swap the two Picards, but still...) If they were in the mirror universe there would be a Terran Empire, not a perverted Star Fleet. Getting back to the Prime Timeline would be a different procedure than time travel, and if they changed the Mirror universes timeline it would have a paradoxical effect on previous mirror universe episodes

If that's what's going on I'm going to roll my eyes. No one in their right mind begins peace talks by pirating an armada, and the Queen could have simply used her WORDS to convey the appropriate message. The Borg Queen has had no problems with linguistic communication in the past.

Pretty ridiculous of Q to be mad at starfleet for not trusting the borg, they're the borg......they have never shown any form of care beyond their own ends and just because they are weakened, doesn't make them genuine. If Q is punishing Picard for assuming the borg are deceiving them then that's pretty weak.

You might be onto something.

I contend the Borg queen on the Star gazer is actually Jutari and she ends up assimilating the queen to save everyone and stays behind to the travel into the prime universe to trigger the event loop.

I feel like he is only helping because where's the fun in watching humanity destroy itself and Picard is helpless/clueless to do anything about it?

popular theory is that everything Q has every done where Picard/Enterprise is involved was a side step bit of assistance. Even in regards to the Borg. The theory is that the Cube Q tossed enterprise infront of was already on its way to earth and Q wanted his favorite toys (humanity/picard) warned in advance. Its a time loop. In First Contact the Borg show up in the past and wreck their sphere in the artic pole region. In Enterprise the remains of that Sphere get a signal off to the Delta Quadrant. Enterprise Era Borg send a Cube but dont yet have the Quantum Warp (not yet assimilated) so have to go the slow way across the galaxy. When they are resonably close Q notices the cube approaching a unaware Humanity and goads Picard in just the right way to justify setting the Enterprise off to meet the Cube thats already enroute.

Something happened to piss q off. Hes terribly worried about something off screen and has no time for the petulance of Picard who some how fucked things up. Right when he made the call to end the potential of making humanities most powerful ally. From the moment of Q Who his plan had been set in motion to guide humanity to the moment the Borg needed humanities help. First when Seven entered scene left, and now something far more threatening that they didnt send "a" queen, but "our Queen" to negotiate alliance. (which is why she was so different to the other queens. More mechanical as she is the Prime Queen and central hub of the collective). Somehow, this step leads humanity away from its enlightened future in the same way Q did in 2024.

@@AestusL4 Maybe the Borg are being threatened by the artificial intelligence that launched 'V'ger' all those movies and episodes ago...?

Q always ends up helping. He just does it with his own flair that annoys all around him, which may be why he does it that way.

I agree, with season one I was meh about watching it but I'm hooked on season 2 to the point where when the episode ends I want to watch it again which never happened with S1, I have never wanted to revisit it... But this is brilliant, as you say its like someone kicked the writers up the arse because I'm feeling this like TNG, when an episode ends I'm already craving more and a week is torture....very well done.

I agree. I just hope they can deliver a full, compelling story. There were kernels of good ideas in season 1, but it all fell apart in so many foolish ways. Discovery's even worse. Almost want to sign the petition sanctioning Kurtzman, and asking that his Trek be removed from Canon. It's out there. Crazy ST fans.

The borg did…

I was actually surprised by the number of people who wrote off Picard after S1. TNG's first season wasn't all that great either, but it went on to become amazing.

@@Tantalus010 TNG started off from zero, Picard had... well all of TNG to jump off from.

The whole series is shit and poorly written if that's what you're asking

And of course Picard is not the only being aware of the existence of Q

Yes the 2024 event has to be the Bell Riots, if that wasn't the writer's intent it's a helluva coincidence.

Decimated would mean that the 90% remained. People should know the meaning of a "fancy" word before throwing it around casually.

@@ewan80 this is a very un-needed nitpick

@@KoboldGamer No it's not. Learn words.