Eric Liu: Why ordinary people need to understand power

2014 ж. 13 Там.
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Far too many Americans are illiterate in power - what it is, how it operates and why some people have it. As a result, those few who do understand power wield disproportionate influence over everyone else. “We need to make civics sexy again,” says civics educator Eric Liu. “As sexy as it was during the American Revolution or the Civil Rights Movement.”
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  • "Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power." - Abraham Lincoln

    @FlyingGrunt28@FlyingGrunt289 жыл бұрын
    • +FlyingGrunt28 Although It's Lincoln's words, i disagree with the "Nearly all men can stand adversity " part.

      @lebanbo55@lebanbo558 жыл бұрын
    • +Leban Bo In his time you could bet your sweet cheeks most were as rough as life was compared to these days.

      @dontask6863@dontask68638 жыл бұрын
    • Actually, you can test yourself in every day life. We all have some form of power over certain things, be it our employees, pets, diet whatsoever. Check yourselves out.

      @kreanukreanu@kreanukreanu5 жыл бұрын
    • This quote is actually by Robert G. Ingersoll.

      @sboloshis1188@sboloshis11885 жыл бұрын
    • You all got the quote right but that was Gandhi if I am not tripping.

      @Chuck_N0rris@Chuck_N0rrisАй бұрын
  • This is one of the most articulate, inspiring, and crisply presented TED talks I've ever heard.

    @upwhen2@upwhen29 жыл бұрын
    • Very much agreed. He did the cause justice.

      @rayawake@rayawake9 жыл бұрын
    • guy's writing for president what did you think

      @lylehimself9287@lylehimself92874 жыл бұрын
    • Please describe two examples eric liu give in which ordinary people from the local level understood power, how it operated and exercised it?

      @basdeoloknauth1376@basdeoloknauth13764 жыл бұрын
    • I concur

      @Josh34724@Josh34724 Жыл бұрын
  • He has a really versatile and expansive vocabulary. Quite refreshing. English _can_ be a beautiful language....so it's always nice to come across people who get that. With Christopher Hitchens' passing, we lost one of the best English wordsmiths ever...

    @avedic@avedic9 жыл бұрын
    • English is a beautiful language, just as other languages are. One just needs to like it, enjoy it.

      @mannymsena6796@mannymsena6796 Жыл бұрын
  • In this talk, Eric Liu asserts the importance of knowing our power, how the common people like us are living in a fool's paradise with our illiteracy about civics. His persuasive arguments are very interesting to watch. Very inspiring and highly recommended talk to everyone.

    @srimansrini@srimansrini9 жыл бұрын
    • How Does a graduate student get in touch with Eric Liu?

      @SetlalentoaTV@SetlalentoaTV5 жыл бұрын
    • @@SetlalentoaTV Did you ever get a response?

      @MegaMiir@MegaMiir5 жыл бұрын
    • you seem like you know your stuff very well, can you help me I have some questions for my English class

      @basdeoloknauth1376@basdeoloknauth13764 жыл бұрын
    • Please describe two examples eric liu give in which ordinary people from the local level understood power, how it operated and exercised it?

      @basdeoloknauth1376@basdeoloknauth13764 жыл бұрын
    • good summary) me lo gusta!

      @demetrx7972@demetrx79723 жыл бұрын
  • Eric Liu is right, that control is best effected at the local level. When you live near the people who supposedly represent you, they are less likely, but not always, to engage in malfeasance and self-interest. The irony of this is that a lot of people in the audience are looking at their devices, deciding what to have for dinner, how many likes they have from people who could care less about them. Power has always been in the hands of a few. Once in a while, they get toppled, but they're not going to just roll over and give it to the polis. They need to be persuaded by force majeur.

    @hori166@hori1665 жыл бұрын
  • This is a damn good speech on a damn important topic

    @whatstwelveohnine@whatstwelveohnine9 жыл бұрын
  • This is the best TED talk I've listened to out of almost.. 20 that I've watched.. but still. I love this guy's confidence and his talk was surprisingly coherent without any repetition. Interesting content, too

    @TheRockerAvril@TheRockerAvril9 жыл бұрын
  • It’s a really good speech. Especially how he makes pauses. After watching this speech I’ve decided to understand the situation in my country and not thinking that it doesn’t connect to me anymore. Thank you for this! And thanks Russian translations.

    @danipulok@danipulok6 жыл бұрын
  • He is by far the best TED talker.

    @MegtaBubble@MegtaBubble9 жыл бұрын
  • I wish I could speak like this...

    @ProfessorBorax@ProfessorBorax9 жыл бұрын
    • practice

      @jaganmaster@jaganmaster9 жыл бұрын
    • It's more about learning the words, what they mean, how to use them

      @ProfessorBorax@ProfessorBorax9 жыл бұрын
    • ***** lol

      @jaganmaster@jaganmaster9 жыл бұрын
    • ***** With the fake it till you make it approach, how would you respond during question time?

      @persinders@persinders9 жыл бұрын
    • There's a TED talk about that :)

      @sirbattlecat@sirbattlecat9 жыл бұрын
  • This is so excellent! Thank you for opening my mind to the idea of studying power, applying those studies and creating a REAL on-the-ground model of self-governance.

    @NjBou@NjBou9 жыл бұрын
  • 'Money is the McMansion in Sarasota that starts falling apart after ten years, power is the old stone building that stands for centuries. I cannot respect someone who does not see the difference' - Francis Underwood

    @Inxvate@Inxvate9 жыл бұрын
  • I watched this video without too many expectations, thinking that it would be boring. Several seconds into it my ears and mind perked up and I started to take notes. In a logical, structured way Mr. Liu started to define and encapsulate a simple way for people to empower themselves instead of abrogating their rights to those who now are wielding power over us. It seems that most of the comments focus on money, which has power but also information, ideas, social networking all these are also forms of power that anyone informed can use. He proposes a narrative as a self teaching aid to start and learn about grassroots power. All governments are now scurrying, forming laws and ways of monitoring ideas and information passing through the internet at the cost of many billions of dollars to their subjective people. This guys talk is refreshing as well as informative.

    @luisgomez3936@luisgomez39369 жыл бұрын
  • As a high school teacher, this talk has changed my perspective and approach on teaching civics. It's always important to align concepts in school to relevant, chunked ideas that will enable students to see things more than just brushing the surface. To Eric Liu, thank you for this!

    @icarpethediem8690@icarpethediem86905 жыл бұрын
  • This is such an important topic and speech. This man is a great speaker too. All people should get involved more, including myself, or only a select people will be in charge. Simply trusting other people to do the right thing, no matter how small, is stupid. Letting things go, hoping that they work out in the end, foolish.

    @QQ-lh8bp@QQ-lh8bp9 жыл бұрын
  • wow. what a great speaker. (not meant ironic)

    @kristiandahl2709@kristiandahl27099 жыл бұрын
    • ***** It's a black...fly....in your Chardonnay....

      @avedic@avedic9 жыл бұрын
    • avedic It's a death row pardon two minutes too late

      @dotceef9@dotceef99 жыл бұрын
    • You can say ironic in his country so that's where the fault stems from.

      @DanishCamp@DanishCamp6 жыл бұрын
  • I am watching this Ted Talk before filling up for my college student body elections. Really helpful in understanding power dynamics at a micro and macro level. Thanks for organising this.

    @ARYANRAJ-db6ky@ARYANRAJ-db6ky2 жыл бұрын
  • I've read and watched a lot of videos on the equation of wealth or that of education. But this was amazing!! Opens another dimension and so important most of us have never realized!!

    @amitkumar-sz6ze@amitkumar-sz6ze3 жыл бұрын
  • I love this speech so much. He's public speaking is legendary and his knowledge is very impressive to say lightly!

    @cyberdevil657@cyberdevil6572 жыл бұрын
  • seriously a beautiful and moving talk.

    @FabianBarajas@FabianBarajas7 жыл бұрын
  • There definitely should have been a standing ovation! But this just goes to show, that this talk is so timely, even TED audience is the very ignorant of which he talks! Priceless!

    @bolotbekesenov8722@bolotbekesenov87229 жыл бұрын
  • loved this video. i wish that more people could be open to accepting such basic/foundational ideas.

    @raunletrelle@raunletrelle9 жыл бұрын
  • thats one of the best speeches i ever seen.

    @nicolaibuschbhrenz9530@nicolaibuschbhrenz95309 жыл бұрын
  • Damn that was a good speech! I have always had a more national/global outlook but he makes an amazing case for focousing on local issues to make global changes. Well said man!

    @tomkelly8827@tomkelly88274 жыл бұрын
  • The most intelligent and informative Ted Talk I have heard in a long time. Excellent speaker with a message very relevant to the world we have created and have to navigate.

    @saleemisgod@saleemisgod9 жыл бұрын
    • I feel like I see a comment like this on every ted talk I watch, which is great because it must mean that the ted talks I am watching are of good quality! That or people throw out compliments too easily, but i feel it's the former.

      @en2p187@en2p187 Жыл бұрын
  • This is what we need. More people engaging in conflicts to get things their way. I would also like to point out that this talk has almost no content; it is mostly an array of emotional appeals. I know, it is a TED talk, so duh.. but still. Don't let yourself be dazzeld by high level rhetorics, and try to think about what he is really saying. This talk is easily condensed to a post-it, and not even a very original one.

    @k3nny111@k3nny1119 жыл бұрын
    • Anarcho-Capitalist here. I stopped affording myself to fall for emotional bullshit long ago. I rely on cold hard economics to validate the truth behind power, and my conclusions are invariably that it is a bad thing which nobody should wield.

      @HamsterPants522@HamsterPants5229 жыл бұрын
    • This was clearly an advertisement for his organization. Post little narratives to our facebook, become part of our curriculum. The lesson would be watching him convince people to do so.

      @xamphor@xamphor9 жыл бұрын
  • So GOOD!!!!! Understanding power in my country, and how long it will take to bring improvement, sounds exciting - Thank You!

    @claudialiebenberg9740@claudialiebenberg97409 жыл бұрын
  • Thank You for this information ... may it help us to better understand power ... our own personal power, as well as the power of others and how that changes when we come together in groups. Power is not a good or bad thing, as you say, it just is, the problem that many associate with power is the misuse of it and how some feel they have a right to assert their power over others ... Remember ... No one can take your power away or exploit your power without you allowing it ... Be aware of your power and may we all use it only for the best of All. Love & Peace to All

    @LoveAndPeaceOccurs@LoveAndPeaceOccurs5 жыл бұрын
  • Amazing! will definitely share!

    @vibingchakras@vibingchakras7 жыл бұрын
  • That was so well explained! Thank you!

    @Exceltrainingvideos@Exceltrainingvideos9 жыл бұрын
  • We VOTE every time we spend at stores, etc. Love this talk, and how honest and well-organized

    @amandadudley2983@amandadudley29835 жыл бұрын
  • The vocabs I've got from this video alone, wow... Nice presentation

    @esmondadjei@esmondadjei Жыл бұрын
  • This was a very beautiful and eye opening ted-talk and i saw that coming somehow from the thumbnail itself .

    @itsybitsy8385@itsybitsy8385 Жыл бұрын
  • I loooooove these talks!

    @LehlohonoloFaith@LehlohonoloFaith9 жыл бұрын
  • A powerful insightful and intriguing talk on an interesting and crucial topic “power “ I love it!

    @kiiza.s.hussein9092@kiiza.s.hussein9092 Жыл бұрын
  • Wow, thank you. Very nicely done.

    @romanicholas5762@romanicholas57624 жыл бұрын
  • Thank you so much Erin Liu Help mind to understand

    @mtdchallengeoffamilytime5750@mtdchallengeoffamilytime57503 ай бұрын
  • Eric Liu made civics sexier before he even started speaking. That man is a FOX.

    @alex_pearl@alex_pearl8 жыл бұрын
    • +Alex Pearl You know what? He kinda sounds like Rob Lowe. Lol.

      @tigertank06@tigertank068 жыл бұрын
  • The topic, content, voice, articulation all Excellent.

    @tariqz5384@tariqz5384 Жыл бұрын
  • i can't stop watching his speech.

    @sherispaul@sherispaul3 жыл бұрын
  • No standing ovation, wtf?

    @Procrastinerd@Procrastinerd9 жыл бұрын
    • audience feel powerless to stand

      @Cheekfats@Cheekfats9 жыл бұрын
    • chinkhuan tan So true!

      @Procrastinerd@Procrastinerd9 жыл бұрын
    • That was my first thought when the video ended but emotional thinkers tend to think he's encouraging evil because they can't help but poeticize the meaning of power. I've come to realize (& yes this is anecdotal) that there are fundamentally just two different breeds of people. There are the intellectuals who try to conceptualize their environment, the instinctive who respond to their environment & of course the entire spectrum between. However, a specific individual will mostly lean one direction or the other.

      @jaganmaster@jaganmaster9 жыл бұрын
    • jaganmaster I like your observation

      @Procrastinerd@Procrastinerd9 жыл бұрын
    • For a very superficial boring talk? Just because he's right with regards to the topic doesn't change that the talk was disappointing and shallow.

      @MoerreNoseshine@MoerreNoseshine9 жыл бұрын
  • Great talk about how citizens can make a real diffrence! --Bonnie Robinson

    @merlvinc@merlvinc3 жыл бұрын
  • I see you. I hear you. Excellent. Thank you.

    @sarahpurol7710@sarahpurol77104 жыл бұрын
  • This is excellent!

    @kitbleakney2696@kitbleakney26969 жыл бұрын
  • Powerful speaking skills! He killed it. Really made me think.

    @Rielestkid@Rielestkid9 жыл бұрын
  • I have always been a fan of of civics! Great video

    @shrinkhlapandey973@shrinkhlapandey9738 жыл бұрын
  • The guy at 0:47 is like "OH YEAH"

    @EmeraldKenny@EmeraldKenny9 жыл бұрын
  • 5 thumbs up before it's even possible to have watched the whole video. Great job!

    @rackslap@rackslap9 жыл бұрын
    • I thumbed up your comment before reading it.

      @megamastah@megamastah9 жыл бұрын
    • rackslap desperate to express oneself, desperate to feel counted n important.

      @seancloser@seancloser7 жыл бұрын
  • As a fellow educator, I fully agree with all of Mr. Liu's points. He is a marvelous teacher. However, he doesn't discuss the backlash, pushback, back-biting, and power plays that come from naming a problem and trying to solve its causes. We see it here in Minenapolis and it happens in any city. Fellow citizens feel that "naming the problem" might be racist and cause hard feelings to they quickly retaliate against anyone who wants change. This happened to me when I served on the Minneapolis police third precinct advisory council. The commander of the precinct wanted to retain all control of the group and quickly ended any threat to authority -- it became tiresome. He wanted to use the meetings as a bully pulpit for his own agenda. I also tried to get our neighborhood more involved in some other things, like curfew for adolescents, however, the other block leader coopted the control for herself. People want change but they do not want to get involved or they are tired of dealing with internecine problems in the group that stops the solving of the problem.

    @mgbsecteacher@mgbsecteacher9 жыл бұрын
    • Don't give up fellow human, your efforts are far and beyond what the average person can say! Don't give up.

      @IanMahetiMbano@IanMahetiMbano5 жыл бұрын
  • Great speech. Great topic. A free society built on ignorance will not remain free for long.

    @nicktrice4921@nicktrice49213 жыл бұрын
  • Great Video a topic rarely spoken about power love it!

    @IfIOnlyKnew2@IfIOnlyKnew27 жыл бұрын
  • DAAAMMNNN!!! What a presentation!!!!!!!!

    @808bAler@808bAler7 жыл бұрын
  • This guy is a beast. bravo.

    @burningknuckle26@burningknuckle269 жыл бұрын
  • Was touching and makes me think about what I can do to make things change. A powerful talk

    @trainforlifevideo@trainforlifevideo7 жыл бұрын
  • Very relevant today

    @tiacarr@tiacarr3 жыл бұрын
  • Genius. This guy know what i know.

    @agntsmth77@agntsmth779 жыл бұрын
  • We have the power to do that!

    @ashaysawalkar2720@ashaysawalkar27203 ай бұрын
  • The most wanted Ted talk ever.

    @chrisy.7501@chrisy.75015 жыл бұрын
  • When ordinary man understand power, he is no longer ordinary person, that's why ordinary people don't understand power...

    @itsDhiran@itsDhiran2 жыл бұрын
  • He's being very encouraging, and we definitely need people to feel more proactive and powerful towards society. Power is only a weapon, can be used for both good and evil, so it's all up to you, seems to me the message. Well, we are again back to square one - do you want to believe that people are able to overcome the limitations in their nature and harness power for the good of the collective rather than individual, zero-sum gains? This is not something one motivational speech can do to change people's entire life experiences on.

    @WindCorsia@WindCorsia9 жыл бұрын
  • Me too, how I wish I could speak like him because I have so much to share.

    @lilyarbee@lilyarbee9 жыл бұрын
  • Very interesting perspective..

    @jvaldez97@jvaldez979 жыл бұрын
  • Bravo!!

    @Blackafternoon@Blackafternoon9 жыл бұрын
  • broght me here from the ted-ed video on power, which was a masterpiece in BGM, animation and storytelling.....

    @AniketSen@AniketSen2 жыл бұрын
  • Incredible.

    @ChrisLeeX@ChrisLeeX9 жыл бұрын
  • I love it

    @mcdonald8814@mcdonald88149 жыл бұрын
  • BRAVO !

    @ShilowskaPretto@ShilowskaPretto6 жыл бұрын
  • leadership is at the root of power. all leaders need to understand power.

    @curtiscarpenter9881@curtiscarpenter98815 жыл бұрын
  • These videos are the peak of my intelligence.

    @StorySaysProductions@StorySaysProductions9 жыл бұрын
    • ***** LOL!

      @onealr@onealr9 жыл бұрын
    • ***** No but its a start.

      @dakkanTM@dakkanTM9 жыл бұрын
    • Keep it up mate, broaden the boundaries of your intellect :) Also, since school tests what you remember nowadays, the internet is basically our modern brain. Who lives without a smartphone/tablet/laptop/pc these days? Application of the abstract, commanding your thoughts, actions, mindfulness and philosophy is the future. So keep sharpening your mind :D

      @The_Cultural_Errorist@The_Cultural_Errorist9 жыл бұрын
    • That saddens me. Especially since the sentence makes no logical sense. :-( (no offense meant)

      @franciscussteiner5661@franciscussteiner56619 жыл бұрын
  • Sophism must be peppered with truths to make it palatable. Setting aside our reactions and opinions, instead of turning our attention outward toward the rebuttal and commentary of the collective, we should be asking ourselves "exactly where do I fit into this dynamic?" Have we been unwittingly written into someone else's script?

    @rcandelaria11@rcandelaria119 жыл бұрын
  • Indeed, we should all know about the physics of power

    @cefimssoas9830@cefimssoas98309 жыл бұрын
  • Love.... not like. Great talk.

    @asordidreality@asordidreality9 жыл бұрын
  • fascinating

    @maxhi88@maxhi889 жыл бұрын
  • Interesting take on cities as the arena for action. I'd argue that the actual arena of power is a the individual level. Most of the structural arrangements in the world can be totally changed or heavily influenced by individuals altering their behaviour. I grimace every time people point their fingers at rich white men while failing to recognize that most of them are ultimately funded by consumers. I propose not changing any laws, but rather using the freedoms we in fact do have to establish and support businesses that share their profits with their workers, their customers and/or their communities. The city/local arena is the place to focus on. I'm intrigued by the idea of the majority of power residing at the local level, while broader commitments and cooperation could take more the form of voluntary agreements as is often the case on the international stage. This feels intuitively natural, as decisions then will be made closer to the affected citizens. Governmental structures above the city/regional level should generally be limited to upholding fundamentals such as constitutional law and other structures about ensuring human rights.

    @peppigue@peppigue8 жыл бұрын
  • He really thought he ate with this lol

    @Hala-ataa@Hala-ataa29 күн бұрын
  • Personal Financial Management, Personal Moral Righteous, and Personal Commitment to Self-Discipline, and not conforming to Norms you know are self-defeating. Are the key to power at the Individual level. Who ever controls your debt. Controls your destiny and power.

    @duce50thy58@duce50thy583 жыл бұрын
  • Good Man...,...

    @richardsheehan6983@richardsheehan69832 ай бұрын
  • As he said power isn't inherently evil. Sure it would be better if no one held any power, and we all agreed to love and help each other, but we all know that's a pipe dream. If "good" people leave power because they think it's evil, then they are in fact making it evil by letting "bad" people wield it.

    @sageyash@sageyash9 жыл бұрын
    • People are formed by their environment! With the right education an anarchist society is possible! Look at the spanish social revolution for example...

      @FelonyArson@FelonyArson7 жыл бұрын
    • sageyash look at your stupid society!

      @freelanceart1019@freelanceart10196 жыл бұрын
  • The way the world is going right now I'm kind of scared about what would come to pass if everyone became "literate in power".

    @ptgriffin@ptgriffin9 жыл бұрын
  • I heard of a civics class, they cut that long ago. I wish I could've taken it, yet even graduating in 2002 it seems like they stripped it out of the lesson plans long ago.

    @RyanJohnson@RyanJohnson6 жыл бұрын
  • I can only use the word "perfect" to describe his skills of speech. I am still learning English!

    @the_awe@the_aweАй бұрын
  • Power was defined by my professor in college by showing the last scene from the Godfather movie: Michael: All right. This one time I'll let you ask me about my affairs. Kay Adams: Is it true? Is it? Michael: No. [Kay smiles and walks into his arms]

    @JimJWalker@JimJWalker9 жыл бұрын
    • lol

      @ronadominictepania7318@ronadominictepania73183 жыл бұрын
  • This one is one smart cookie! :)

    @gklpang@gklpang8 жыл бұрын
  • Great

    @GTAMASTER.180@GTAMASTER.18011 ай бұрын
  • cold hard truth: every experience with another human being is a power play and you either win (look down on the other person and feel confident) or lose (lose confidence)

    @allyonightmare@allyonightmare9 жыл бұрын
    • allyonightmare but it doesn’t have to be that way. If we are aware of that and want to not create that type of interaction then we can create a sincere experience.

      @camerontaylor7471@camerontaylor74715 жыл бұрын
  • What would Jacque Fresco have to say about the need to understand power? Thank you for posting the vid. It is entertaining.

    @patrickmccormack4318@patrickmccormack43186 жыл бұрын
  • Very fitting after the events in Ferguson. #power

    @kalenamichele3114@kalenamichele31149 жыл бұрын
  • Power is like currency. Somebody has to have it. Its what you do with it or how you use it that matters.

    @ErrolLawson@ErrolLawson9 жыл бұрын
  • Power: the ability to perceive truth and work towards it. Force: the capacity to make others do what you wish upon them. Power versus Force, a very Big difference....

    @aprilreeves1@aprilreeves19 жыл бұрын
  • me inspira me inspiraaaa

    @RocioRomero-zn4wl@RocioRomero-zn4wl9 жыл бұрын
  • A lil behind but DDAAAMMMNNNN!!! That was on point!

    @808bAler@808bAler7 жыл бұрын
  • it is true , i like to be myself

    @jimchavez3392@jimchavez33927 жыл бұрын
  • This guy knows

    @pradhyudh@pradhyudh3 жыл бұрын
  • Best

    @sucode9822@sucode98222 жыл бұрын
  • Where can I get the transcript for this speech?

    @emilyherman4483@emilyherman44834 жыл бұрын
  • Why does he start his talk with how "sexy" civics should be? He needs to expand his vocabulary.

    @pjohnson179@pjohnson179 Жыл бұрын
  • I just start reading 'becoming America' - the book i bought last year, and then i search the author and hey the title brings me in

    @tomduke558@tomduke5584 жыл бұрын
  • I have some alliances to make first but I would love to participate in citizen university, I advise that any sentient being should do the same. to make this planet a place we will want our decedent's to grow up in. as of now the future looks frightening, but it also looks brighter than ever. never before has hummanity been so interconnected from such far reaches, these next few generations could hold the key for peace. never doubt the power of the will of the people there has never been room for such poor spirted strength, nor has there ever been.

    @lkal8754@lkal87547 жыл бұрын
  • This is good information but it would have been better to present it as a conversation or a debate between two or among several people.

    @donaldedward4951@donaldedward49512 жыл бұрын
  • Perfect argument.: "..civic illteracy is willful.." Yes, Sir! The infamous 'comfort zone'! Well spotted.

    @kuma1939@kuma19394 жыл бұрын
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