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Considering his concussions, the fact he's still playing so strong seems like a miracle.
Awesome for Crosby considering the injury time lost during his prime.
In terms of athleticism I don't think Crosby ever did fully come back from that missed time - he would have at least an extra 10 points/season plus the extra games if those hits never happened. It is amazing how well he has been doing given the concussion.
Didn't he have a misdiagnosed neck injury?! The fact hes still averaging over a point a game 10 plus year AFTER that is astonishing.
The amount of Penguins on this board is insane. Francis, Jagr, Coffey, Lemieux, Crosby, and Malkin. Most franchises don't have a single player on this board, let alone six
Five of them Played for the Boston Bruins, thats insane lol
5 for the wings too but its less than 6😅
Only 4 of those guys started with the Penguins though. Francis came in after success with the whalers and Coffey obviously played in Edmonton with 2 other guys near the top of that list. Might be a bit of trickle down from Gretzky and Lemieux
@@kindrin4773 LOL😃
Lemieux enters the group playing at a minimum 354 less games than anyone else. A true god of hockey. Just absolutely sick.
I was just gonna say. Two guys are not like the other. Lemieux because of games played and Gretzky bc of points. True 1A and 1B of the sport.
Crosby is 591-1000-1591. Has played 1269 games for a 1.254 points per game. If he played as many games as Ovechkin (1423) he’d have roughly 663 goals and 1121 assists for 1784, which would be 6th all time for points and 7th for assists. That’s also being generous because the points per game is over his whole career, and this missed time would’ve likely been during his more offensive dominant years with his concussions. He’d already be top 5 all time in points most likely.
Do the same for Lemieux and now crosby looks tiny as a penguin.
That's discounting that the time Crosby missed he was playing at a 1.68 ...in the dead puck era.
I mean that's very cool , but Crosby doesn't care about that, he was more successful he won more cups. You know, the ultimate goal of this@@goose5462
That 915 games in Mario always shocks me these lista when you comparing how many games others player on The list
Gretzky: 1.921 points per game. Lemieux: 1.882 ppg. There's nobody else on that list who even really comes close to 1.5 ppg. Those two were on a whole other level.
Ranger fan here, but congratulations to Sidney Crosby on an absolutely outstanding career. One of the greatest of all time.
Wings fan here. I hate that guy, but he is certainly one of the best.
I really appreciate fans of the game. I despise the Capitals. But I am rooting for Ovi to beat out Gretzky's goals. Ovi has been such a badass scorer, especially from the left circle. I want to see him take it... just not win any more cups. Hahaha.
@WordAte same thing here. Even though they were bitter rivals and i used to hate that team, I never hated Ovi as a player or a person, and I want him to break that record
Thanks !
@@bartsanders1553why do you hate him 😂?! That’s ridiculous to say that considering he never does anything but be the standard for the league on how conduct yourself as a NHL player and as a professional. He donates his time and money to all the fans and all the players in the league have nothing but respect for him. When I hear the phrase“ I hate someone “ it really means your are uneducated about something and you probably hate yourself because your a failure in life 😂!
Crosby is one of one in my eyes! He is a living legend here in Pittsburgh!
His 1000th assist was a really clutch one too. For a 6-5 OT win in a game they desperately needed to clinch a playoff spot for one of Crosby’s final cup runs. Nice back hand pass
I still remember when Joe Thornton hit 1,000 assists. Crosby is one of the best playmakers and also one of the best skating players I have ever seen.
I've always wondered where Mario would've finished up points wise , had he been healthy for his whole career .
Top three in points minimum probably two more Cups. Probably would have either the single season Points or Goals record. He would have also settled the debate over whether he was better than Gretzky or not.
Absolutely. It’s crazy when you see games played in a list like this. He has so many fewer games played.
Over 900 goals likely would have surpassed Gretzky's points or finished within like 100 of his points total it is so sad to ponder what could have been, because to me Lemieux was the greatest to ever play.
I had no idea he played that few games. I get it now why everyone says he's #2
@@markh4545454 hes number one actually
Congratulations to Captain Crosby for his 1000th career assists!!!!
You've said as much before, but I'm glad you qualify the *greatest of all time* debate as opinion here. I'm a Lemieux guy. I think Lemieux was better than Gretzky. And some people will immediately go, "But just look at Gretzky's insane point totals!" But if that's it, just point to the stats and go, "This one's a lot higher, so that settles it," then there's nothing to even talk about... ever, with anybody. To me, when you look at what Lemieux _did_ do, and the circumstances under which he did it, that's more impressive than what Gretzky did. But that's just my opinion. As for where Crosby will end up, I'm not sure. Depends on two things, I think: How much longer Crosby wants to play, and what Dubas is able to surround him with. It's going to be a struggle to keep the Penguins competitive. Even now, they're only in the playoff mix because Crosby has willed that into existence. But he's going to need guys around him to draw away coverage, both on his own line and down the lineup. If Dubas can at least lighten Crosby's burden a little over the remainder of his career, I think Crosby could get into the 1,900 point range.
@@matthewdaley746 Guentzel had to go, I think. He was giving everyone the boo-boo face in interviews and stuff. But he's going to get paid this summer. It was the case before. But even more so with all the points he's put up in Carolina. Any doubt that Crosby was inflating his point totals are likely already put to rest. He'd have liked to stay in Pittsburgh... as long as it was at his price tag. And I don't begrudge Guentzel for wanting to cash out. This is probably his only chance. But let's not pretend that he would've given the Penguins a steep discount to stick around. If that'd been true, he would've been signed to that kind of deal long before the deadline. And on the Penguins end, even as good as Guentzel is, I'm not sure signing a soon-to-be 30 year old to an expensive longterm deal is a smart move. I think Dubas was smart to get whatever he could for him, while he could.
Your opinion is wrong. Bossy would have had more goals. So there goes that argument.
After all those nasty injuries and winning everything possible + 3 cups... he is the goat.
Even if you don't root for their teams, sometimes you just gotta remove your fan-coloured glasses and marvel at the greatness of some athletes. We've been lucky to see guys like Crosby and Ovechkin play. Enjoy it while it lasts.
Like when we were kids, didn't matter what team a great player played for, we cheered them and had their jersey. Now that I'm older I only follow the Penguins. Fuck the other guys 😂
Coming from a rangers fan Crosby is easily a top 10 all time great. Still my favorite player in the league even after all these years. Congrats to Sid on this landmark accomplishment!
Congrats to my favourite player of all time! A great guy, too.
Adam Oates was really impressive, he made Hull look great, than goes to Boston and made Neely look great. Thats two different teams, two different players.
I love Oats and was a big fan of his before he came to Boston. But I wouldn't say he made Cam look great. Cam was already a 50 goal scorer and an elite player before Adam came to Boston.
Even as an Isles fan, I gotta concede the hype about this kid might be real.
Pens fan here, so it's impossible for me to comment objective. But gosh have we just been so absolutely hammered with blessings in all-time talent in this city. I know there's a lot of debate about where Sid belongs on that all-time list. He doesn't crack top 3, surely. But 4-10 are all up in the air. But for me, as someone whose adult life as a hockey fan has essentially coincided with Sid, it's impossible for me to not call him *my* greatest of all time. Hockey won't be the same when he hangs 'em up. It will still be great. It will still be hockey. But for me personally? Something is going to be missing.
He's the greatest of the 2000's era....and ive been watching nightly since 1983
it’s actually crazy how much hockey he missed between the concussions and lockout
Era defining player!
Need a fun asterisk for Howe. Add in his WHA totals 😆
Top 3 player all time and will forever be my favorite player 🔥 what a ride it’s been watching sid
Top 3 is a possibility, he’s definitely right beside Messier at a tie for 3rd imo.
He’s lucky to be top 10… come on ppl. Crosby is a great player. But Hockey has been around along time… there’s definitely other players who have and had better careers… Mark Messier. Stevie Y, Bobby Hull, Nicklas Lidstrom Jager , Paul Coffee, Marcel Dionne, To name a few…,
@@sammyweed4771 The list of names you put up as an alternative are a joke
@@Connor8609 there better than Crosby… apparently you NO nothing about Hockey
@@sammyweed4771 Crosby won 3 cups with 30 teams in the league and his leadership was a driving force in all of them, just like Messier winning twice that with roughly half the teams. Injuries and strikes have held a lot of potential points off the board.
Hey, a milestone video. Now we know what it takes to get one in The Year of Milestones. And as a Pens fan, it's cool to see one of them reach this mark. Truly rarified air.
Sometimes, I wonder if fantastic offensive talents like Crosby get overlooked for the Selke even though he is excellent in his own end. Should he have won one or was he just always hair behind Datsyuk Bergeron, and Kopitar.
great look thx brother
Absolutely agree he can hit 2k as well. He has knock on wood been more fortunate with injuries.
1.Gretzky 2. Lemieux 3. Orr 4. Howe 5. Crosby
Stevie Y and Mark Messier and Bobby Hull ….. are in front of Crosby and probably a few others…. Your first 4 are spot on…
Hard to have a bad 5, but Jagr makes my top 5.
Love that jersey. Thanks for that!
"If only Gordie Howe had played in the '80s instead of the '50s." He actually did play a few months in 1980, which was his fifth decade! Obviously, Shannon meant Howe in his prime.
He also played a game in IHL 1996, so he played 6 decades.
I think I can say pretty easily that so far, Sidney Crosby is the best player in my lifetime. I think he finishes with about 700 goals and 1200 assists, putting him in Jaromir Jagr territory (appropriate, because they were both Penguins). McDavid may get there someday, as he's producing better on a rate basis, but we'll see how his 30s treat him and what kind of injuries he sustains along the way.
McDavid has won just personal trophies and he will go down as Joe Thornton 2.0 - zero cups.
McDavid will likely pass him if league scoring stays like this. However it will be interesting to see how his game ages when the speed is gone.
Great video
What gets lost so much in the discussion , mainly because Ovechkin is the best goal scorer of all time, is that Crosby is actually one of the greatest goal scorers of all time and had he not missed with concussions would have been looking at a career with 700-800 goals ( in a low scoring era)
Crosby passes at least half this list, he isn't done yet.
I think over the next 4 seasons, Sid has another 300 games, 150 goals, 250 assists. That puts him challenging Brett Hull for 5th in goals and around Ron Francis for second in assists. That should put him close to 2,000 points
400 points in 300 games? That's 1.33 ppg in his late 30s/early 40s and more than he's averaged for his entire career.
the absolute craziest thing about this board is Lemieux being on there with that "games played" number
Hats off to the the kid, rarified company.
Never noticed the cat tree in the background haha
Don’t forget Kucherov… 551 assists in 722 games. His game will likely age well too as it mostly relies on his offensive iq.
My favorite Gretzky stat is that if you take away all of his goals, he’s STILL the all-time leader in points 😮
If Lemieux kept pace and played as many games as Gretzky, he'd have scored 1121 goals, 1678 assists, for a total of 2799 points. Crushing the goal record but still falling short on assists and points.
Howe in the 80s whoa
Having watched all these players careers, for me Sidney is tied with Gordie as the greatest of the rest of the best. Wayne and Mario were the two extra special players. I haven't made my decision on Connor yet. If Crosby can avoid any sub-70 game seasons, he should end up in Jagr points territory. 5 years of 30 goals and 50 assists (both below his average) and you get the 400 points.
I always wondered by playoff stats arent included in career stats
Love the Robo Penguin Jersey!!!!! Lets Go Thrashers!!!!!
McDavid's numbers are crazy he is on pace to go well past 2000 points like very likely he will finish his career between 2000-and 2500 points which is absolutely crazy to think about
I'm not sure about well over and he'll probably slow down a bit in his 30s, but his career is almost half over already. So probably 1900-2200 if he continues around the same pace
Who knows? We might enter a low-scoring era again
The one issue with the is you just never know when age will start factoring in too much. He could start slowing down 2 years from now or 10, it’s just nothing anyone can predict
It's very dangerous to assume McDavid will just continue to produce at his current clip. Age wins always, and so much of what separates him from everyone else to this point in his career is his other worldly skating. Skating is also almost always the first thing to go as players age. Just way too early to assume McDavid keeps this up for another 7 or 8 seasons, but we will see. If he does, he absolutely has every chance to rocket up lists like these
Top 5 scoring, top 3 in assists, thats at worst where he'll be when its all said and done
I feel like kucherov could get to 1000 assists too the way he’s playing
One thing that quickly stands out is Crosby will likely at minimum pass Francis for 5th in all time points.
Kuch is definitely getting 1000 assists.
Do these point include playoffs?
One of the great things about hockey, unlike baseball, football, basketball...is that there is no debate about the greatest offensive player in the history of the game. It's so absolutely obvious and even if you count WHL totals and take into account what a phenomenal physical specimen Gordie was, and I saw him play for Hartford after he hit 50, even with all of that taken into account, 99 was just better.
Another 18 years, Sid could surpass Gretzky and play as long as Howe.
Howe played 32 seasons, NHL + WHA.
About Mario, doesn't matter. Any hockey fan worth a dam knows his numbers would have been right up there with The Great One's. Mario's numbers were just as insane.
Dang, I’m early today.
I’m looking forward to the Stone video today tbh but congrats to Sid.
1. Sidney Crosby could with mediocre stats pass Joe Sakic next season in scored Goals, Assists & Points next season, but more so Crosby could with a fine season pass Sakic, Lemieux (still the best), Dionne and Howe in Assists = 1000 - 1049 Assits! However after that it will take 2-3 seasons to pass Lemieux, Yzerman & Dionne in points and Assists in same time span he could end up 7th, passing Joe Thornton. 2. In goals scored, Crosby with a fine next season could go from 21th to 16th place next season = passing Jari Kurri, Dino Ciccarelli, Bobby Hull, Joe Sakic & Jarome Iginla as long as he has a 34 goal season!
I think Crosby retires 2nd all time in points. But eventually McDavid passes him. He will never pass Wayne though unless he can maintain a pace of scoring 100 points a season for 30 years. The Mount Rushmore of hockey is Gretzky, Lemieux, Crosby and McDavid.
Damn if it weren’t for Sid missing so many games in his 20s, the lockout half season 2013 & covid crap he’d bee close to 2000 points. Also because of covid crap Ovi would’ve already broke the goal scoring record.
Gretz, Crosby, Lemieux?
Kind of off-topic question: is there any difference between "fourteen hundreds" and "one thousand four hundred" for native English speakers? Maybe there is even some rule for that? Or they are both common and its okay to switch between them as you want?
No difference. 14 100s = 1,400.
Am I right in saying Lemieux, Francis, Jagr and Coffey all played for the Penguins at the same time?
You are correct.
Newer eras also learn from previous eras. Take a look at new players these days, they learn to be skill as Datsyuk. So if we’re comparing players now are better than yesterday, would it make a difference if the players yesterday has the same knowledge as players today? Wouldn’t they be even better?
Kucherov might be my pick for the next non-McDavid player to get there. He's been over 1 / game since about 2018, so he probably needs about 6 -7 years more assuming some dropoff. I think that's doable.
The Hokey Guy did not talk about Mario Lemieux CANCER AND RECOVERY BIG MISE !!!!?????
In a Crosby video, no. In Mario's career video, it was discussed.
Kuch will hit 1000 well before Marner.
I wish Sidney Crosby was my dad
Comparison of eras is pointless. Age is undefeated. Sid has lived the classic hockey story--a guy who did the work to stay in the league and be very effective. Has carried the PENS for years. PENS fans have cheered for some all time greats.
If only his body holds up, Crosby could definitely get that 2nd place in assists. And speaking of bodies (not) holding up, it's a shame Lemieux's body kept him from more games. Would have been interesting to see what numbers he could have put up with say 1300 games or so.
Crosby will finish second best behind lemieux. Gretzky played against plumbers
Mario and Luigi?
Mario played at the same time….
@@TheVlad1616 Mario played a third of his career in the 80's. Gretzky played over half
Crosby is a top ten player all time for sure. It is easy to argue he is a top five player. And it can be argued he is as good as Gretzky, just in a lesser era. My opinion: 1. Gretzky, 2. Lemieux, 3. Crosby, 4. Howe, 5. everyone else on this list. McDavid may reach the top 3 on my list. He may eclipse Crosby because of the injuries. It seems almost certain he would take 5, if not 4. He may end up number 1.
Gretzky didn't even make 2 points per game. Slacker. /s
I think Crosby is a Hall of Fame player great and all that like ovi, but I think Crosby has had a lot of great talent around him to get to that point of 1000 assists and points, etc
Crosby has had no more great players around him that every single other player on this list. And also consider the Era he played in to start his career with less scoring.
Go look at the penguins wingers who scored on his 1000 assists. Look who he has played with 5 on 5. Are you insane?
One thing about Mario: I'd actually argue that he played closer to the "correct" number of games than it appears - if he doesn't retire the first time, then he wouldn't have felt the need to come back the second time I bet (although of course a lot of that was trying to keep the team he owned financially viable). The back injuries / cancer issues were another thing entirely, of course.
Question is the points acquired in the same time? Where is Oby and Conner?
Gretzky Stan here, but I think a healthy Super Mario takes it. All hypothetical of course.
I highly doubt Crosby is gonna play in his 40s
No John Scott on the list 😢
Your mount rushmore comment gave me a notion. As someone who watched both Crosby and McDavid, who would you rate as the better of the two?
Mcdavid is nasty but clearly not good enough to bring team success, as crosby did. Mcdavid will probably end up in 2-3rd for all time points but will that really matter if he doesnt have a cup, hes only getting older from here on out and going into his 10th season
I don't even feel like this is a discussion. In 5+ years, if McDavid has continued to produce at a similar clip, and has actually managed any level of team success, then maybe. Otherwise, it's just not close yet
@@GeorgiaTechPhenom its going to be the same story for bedard, even mathews for that matter.
@@MyStuffReviewMalkin, Letang and Fleury had nothing to do with that team success? You can't judge individual players by team success. Even Gretzky didn't have a lot of team success after the trade to LA.
@@MyStuffReviewexcept Mathews is boring to watch. Lousy 2 way player
My top 5 all time is Gretzky, Lemieux, Orr, Crosby, McDavid. I think those are the 5 best players that have ever played the game imo.
In terms of skill/dominance I agree. McDavid has been in a league of his own for about 8 years, I don’t know how some people think he isn’t one of the greats.
@mcj44 Yeah, I'm basing my pick off of eye test, reason, and simple deduction. I'm not a McDavid stan (Crosby is my favorite), but I dont need him to prove anything to be that he's one of the best players I've ever seen. Now he's gotta win a Stanley Cup, but I don't think he retires without winning at least one. He's got plenty of time.
The mtn should be based on generation. Like 25-30 year period. And the cut off is when they get the majority of points. 2000-2025 will be McD mackdog and Makar for sure. Others are debatable. And the mtn needs like 6 spots. But for all time best? It’s relative to seasons played and early retirement etc. so Mario is for sure on the all time mtn. Even at 25 Makar is there too for production milestones for most points and skill to 300 pts etc. he’s truly a once in many gens kind of player. Like 3-4. Or 100 years. And I’d say the same for Gretzky lemouix and McD. Mackdog might get there if he stacks this seasons #s for a handful of years… the avalanche is for sure a great team to be a fan of. And starting to watch hockey in 95 was insane. At a young person. Remember staying up till 2-3am in Florida watching a 0-0 game in the 3rd ot. If I remember it was vs FL and a sweep or something. Insane. Edit: got it right! Had to look… what a team. And then took 25 years off and started watching again in 19’ I think. 18’ maybe. Disappointing playoffs but gotta see Nate and the core develop as players into what they are now. And 22’ was very special of course. Just silly hockey all season and playoffs. So damn good. And this years team if healthy is deeper. Kadri is not replaceable but we’re all hoping mitts finds 5th gear for the playoffs and everyone plays to their potencial. Stacked team for sure
Crosby is the mvp of the league, but they won't give it to him
Crosby is easily top 10 all time players and arguably top 6. When it comes to playmakers, McDavid is hands down best in the league… the list of assist per games players can be counted on one hand with fingers to spare. kucherov is a solid #2. Oilers fans who claim Draisaitl is a top playmaker are delusional… he is the king of giveaways, and the worst passer of the top 30 offensive players in the league. This is from an Oilers fan here…
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he'll prolly retire in 2026
Love Crosby to death but I'm still surprised he still plays after all his head injuries. He's been injury free for a while but one more major concussion and this could impact his health big time in the future. CTE and dementia will happen to him eventually if he sustains another one. Great on him for getting the 1000 and hope he stays healthy.
Weird that Kucherov is not on that list, because he should get 1000 assists in around 5 years.
Cant debate since he isn't even the greatest penguin of all time. Further, he isn't the second greatest penguin of all time.
if Lemieux played consistently his whole career, he would be considered better than Gretzky unanimously. Better skater, better shooter, better skills, Gretzky is overrated.
😊 love your show but I'm not a Crosby fan
"Unfortunately, he played in an era where they let a lot of stuff go...." You mean, back when they played actual HOCKEY 🏒
Nope, where they were allowed to clutch, grab, hold and beat up skilled players. It made for boring hockey and allowed slow, talentless players to thrive.