5 DEPRECIATED Porsches That Are BEST VALUE FOR MONEY! (INSANE PERFORMANCE)
2023 ж. 12 Қаз.
140 728 Рет қаралды
Cheap Porsche 911s with insane performance, and amazing value for money!
Cheap Porsche 911s with insane performance, and amazing value for money!
Oh, ffs... the 996 Turbo and 997.1 Turbo had ZERO issues with the IMS or bore scoring because they used the Hans Mezger GT1 motor which was completely different than the rest of the models, except for the GT3 variants.
Indeed... So much talk about the IMS and the bore scoring... Yes it happens, but there are ways to reduce the risk. First the 2006 and onwards models were fitted with a bigger IMS to solve the early 997 and 996 issues there. Then, you can fit a lower temperature thermostat too, which can help reduce the bore score, as well as going easy with the car until it's at normal temperature and change the oil religiously too. When you read forums, everyone seems to be scared and affected, and of course some cars are affected, but most aren't! And the Gen 1 or Gen 1.5 997 turbo were fitted with the famous Metzger engine, which is bullet proof and mental. My best mate has one so I know exactly how it is👌
Favourite 911 has to be the 997 GT2, it was the first 911 to break the 200mph barrier and truly be a super car
This has to be the 997.2 GT3 RS for me. Proper mechanical car with the Mezger engine, a manual box, and hydraulic steering 🤩
996/997 Turbos, GT3's and GT2's had the Mezger engine that was not subject to the IMS bearing issue. Bore scoring only becomes an issue if you don't let your warm up before revving it up too high.
Dude...the mezger engine never had ims issues. Not in the 996 or 997.
As a Porsche owner all my life, no 911 has ever been cheap.
My question for you is do you do your own maintenance or do you pay for someone do it on your 911s?
Great video as always. Can’t believe the MX-5 made the number 3 slot!
Drinking game: take a shot every time he says nine
My favorite is the 997.2 Turbo S, insane
Great video J.B. 👍
The 997.1 and also 997.2 are actually classed as supercars, the 997.2 turbo has 500BHP with close to a 3 second 0-60 in launch control mode, shame you didn’t mention the facelift model as has a completely different DFI engine rather than the Mezger.
Top Job Lad x U know I love the channel don't forget to wear ya rugby shirt xx🏴
My favourite 911? The 992 Turbo S. Best GT ever built by just about anyone. Beautiful understated lines yet unmistakably pure supercar. Phenomenal acceleration, great handling, comfortable ride and an inspiring flat-six wail that still manages to be quiet enough for motorway cruise.
I feel like we perhaps have different standards of "quiet enough for a motorway cruise" 😄 Also no rear boot is an issue. I love a 992 Turbo S, but I wouldn't say it's a particularly great GT - it's a great daily-usable supercar.
My favorite Porsche is the 1995 993 Cab that I owned for 10 years. Midnight blue, matching convertible top, light gray interior and 6 speed of course.
Absolutely love this vid!! I can't speak for much as I have a 924, my fav ever porsche is a 924 careera gt but 911? Has to be a 997 911 GT3! but Porsche really makes some incredible cars that are so underrated even if it's just a Carrera 2 or 4. My dad's friend has a 1989 911 turbo with just 12,000 miles on it, it's serviced every year at Porsche and he's been offered 300k trade in value which I think is absolutely insane but in some ways with the way cars are going and petrol prices and the incredibly rare opportunity I think 911s will be a great investment no matter what you go for
Great video, my favourite is the 996 Turbo for the realistic 911 as for me the 911 GT1 is a unicorn car
My favorite 911 is my 991.1 convertible C2S I bought used, I got lucky it has all seven buttons.Whoever SPEC ‘ed they did it like a GTS but not a GTS but I’m gonna call it a strong ”S” it of course has the PDLS, sport Chrono, sports exhaust, PDCC, Limited slip torque vectoring, 10 mm lower, and whatever sport plus benefits options it just seems to have everything 20 inch turbo rims and of course I love my PDK. and of course I’m a ragtop guy and the 991.one was the first year of the beautiful 911 coupe lines with the convertible top, the 997 just looked a little clunky in the transition of the roof to the back even though I think it’s a beautiful car. the 991 is just hands-down the first perfect silhouette convertible Porsche is put out. in my opinion other than it does ride a little stiff and I wish it had axle lift , with that it would be the only wish maybe they’ll do an aftermarket and it would be absolutely perfect with that one correction. Dream car!
Im hoping to get a 981 cayman one day 🙏. Just dont know when now due to changes in finances 😢. Dream porsche for me though is the 997 turbo
Fav is 991.1 Carrera 4S
Every guy I know that owned a Boxster and a 911 preferred the Boxster as far as the most fun. To a man.
I drive a 997.2 C4S. 3 years, 40k miles driven. I love this car sooo much, I cannot sell or trade it. It is really a special driving car.
When I was 22( I'm 58 now) I bought a used Porsche 944s. It was mint but need some maintenance. Brakes, $2000. clutch $2000.00 Timing belt/water pump $2000,00. Seemed like everything was $2000.00..lol. I ended up smashing it but damn it was an amazing car to drive. I always said it was the poor mans Porsche cause I couldn't afford a 911 slant..lol
911 991 Turbo S is oneof my ultimate if my lottery numbers come up😂
I favorite is the 992 GT3RS in Miami blue with black wheels
997.2 turbo and 997.2 GT2 both in manual are my favorite Porsches ever
I have driven out of the cars mentioned. 911 is pure with manual 6 speed all the way.
I have a 2006 997 c2s with upgraded IMS and lower temperature thermostat and various other mods... It's a cracking car to look at, and a cracking car to drive. There are a few cars with bore score issues but only about 5% are affected so not a massive deal. And if it comes, do the work, bore it to 4l and supercharge it to have about 490 bhp... Money would be easily recouped. As for the 997.1 turbo, it's fabulous and with the Metzger engine it's bullet proof!!! And... The official 0-60 mph figure for the 997.1 turbo is way off... 3.8s becomes more like 3.4s... and some have even gone below that time too. Porsche's 0-60 figs are often very conservative...😂🧐 If this car is not a supercar, what is??!!?!?! My best mate has one and it's the only car to ever scare me, because its speed is not something you are used to, at all.
Showing my age here 😂 911 2.7rs for me. It's the one that made me want to own a 911. I eventually managed to buy a 996.2 C4S manual..... Yes, one of those, with clutch, ims, rms. I love it, so planted and made a cayman 2.7 that I recently tried, feel gutless and fragile. 😊
My favorite is the one I can hopefully afford in a couple years, a 991.1 S or 4S. With all Porsche it’s about mileage and special models but for the money the last NA engined 911 is my choice for best performance for dollar while still being a somewhat analog car. Of course there are other models I’d choose if I were wealthy but I’m not, but this car is still quite modern looking and performs very well. Prices are not falling like most other cars but as th economy crumbles I’m hoping they’ll fall a little bit. I’d get one now but gotta pay off the 981BoxS first hahaha
Agreed. I had a 991.1S. Great n affordable one.
I recently got a 991.1S and love it, it sounds amazing, you won't regret it.
I envy those British prices! It's anywhere from 30-50% more expensive for all of these in North America.
Never been a huge 911 fan so tough to pick a favourite, I grew up with the 996 but the headlights really don't work. Drove a 997 C2S on track, but the tyres/brakes were screwed so that put me off those (although now I like the 997 generally). I feel like a 991 C2S is probably actually what I'd want to drive most, but I'd get most excited about seeing a 993 GT2 so I'm going with that.
My favorite is 1988 911 3.2 coupe with whale tail and chin spoiler.
There was a targa for the 993 generation too, albeit a different design.
Love my 991 C2S ❤️
I owned a 997 C2S for 2 years. I loved the drive, but was disapointed in the build quality. In the two years, the car needed a new gear box, had a leak form the sun roof and battery died. All were fixed under warranty, but this is not the point. I expect more for this brand…..
Would have added earlier cars like 67S, 68L, 73RS but agreed on the maybe best ever GT1! So much love for it I made correct size molds for the series 1 GT1. If you want one one day HMU
The 993 auto (tiptronic) is renowned to be rock solid reliable 4:00, its a Mercedes box
997.2 IIs the one I love the most
Bought a 2007 Carrera S. Brakes squealed so bad, a friend could hear it about 150 yards away. Rotors, pads, calipers all changed - same problem. Porsche garage in ABQ said he never heard of that problem. We all know Porsche dealers don't lie. Sold the car.
997 for the win 👌🏾❤️👌🏾
I luv my 2012 991.1 S ...moving up from a 996 4S
Having had a Cayman, Cayman S and a 996 turbo, I want a 928. Which particular year is best, please?
The last of them.
1995 GTS previous owner, great car.
FYI, 996 & 997 Turbos use a Metzger motor & never had any IMS bearing problems like their naturally aspirated counterparts
That 997 is still $200,000 in Australia. I miss the UK car prices since moving across here. Everything is at least double here.
A 964 turbo (the one Will Smith drove in the original Bad Boys) would be a lovely thing to own. I'd be very happy with one. I had a Basalt Black 996 C4 for around 15 years. Really shouldn't have sold it, it was a bloody lovely car and remains the best driving car I've owned - the only thing I felt let it down was the gearbox (I've always driven manuals, and the Honda S2000 I had previously to the Porsche, whilst simply nowhere near as a good a car, had an amazing "rifle bolt" precise gear box that I guess I've compared all other cars I've owned subsequently to). If I look to get into another Porsche it's likely to be either a 996 or 997 C4S.
It’s been 10 years and I still regret selling my 996 too. Also believe how much they have gone up in value since
1993 RS America is my dream 911
959 it’s outrageous
997.1 is to avoided if it has original engine - if it has new liners etc and IMS upgrade then snap it up - someone spent a lot of money on it
997 Mezger engine cars (Turbo, GT3) never had IMS issues to best of my knowledge.
I’m guessing the prices are in pounds…but even with conversion the prices seems very low based on my market analysis
Love your vids. But Targas continued through 993, 996 and 997 eras, just not the same style. Oh and rust on 993s is a real issue. I know from personal experience 😢
Prices up north are still strong . Dealers rule the roost, and they ain’t for giving any discounts. Even on ropey 15 year old 997s .
In U.K. I’m seeing a very obvious softening of prices. Not uncommon to see £5K to even £20K knocked off cars which they’ve had since late summer. Just not being bought any more. Now, in my opinion, while it’s attractive if you’re considering entering 911 ownership, it’s not good if you’re an owner who paid overs when acquiring your vehicle. I’m new to Porsche, and I’m Catholic to model and variant. That makes me a bad customer because I am not going to fall in love instantly with a particular example, at which point you’ve not bargaining power. I’m looking to invest up to £100K in the most resealable car. I don’t mind if it’s a late 997, any of the 991s or potentially even a 992. My wife and I will hit this hard in a six week period from immediately after Christmas. Who buys a 911 in the middle of a British winter?
964 is my fav
You will notice the 991.1 GT3 is the only GT3 selling below list and cheaper now than the previous 2 generations of GT3s that have well appreciated due to many issues with these cars. The choice to only offer a PDK gearbox was very unpopular with the GT3 community. Hence previous 997.2 GT3s jump immediately over their list prices when this car came put due to those wanting manuals. This was the car that Porsche sent letters to over 1000 owners to park their cars and not drive them due to catastrophic engine failures. Despite Porsche replacing over 1000 engines, they can still be prone to failure. As Porsche's first car with 4 wheel steering, the system was not tuned as well as later generations and car be quirky at times. This car lost the racing heritage of the previous cars. When this car came out, the GT3 RSR and Cup racing versions were still running Mezger engines as Porsche was not confident in racing the new 9A1 engine. They also never raced the PDK transmission. Race cars ran a true sequential manual gearbox instead. This is really the one GT Porsche to avoid. You would be better off putting a Cayman GT4 on your list which is lower in price, has a manual and is more reliable.
The 996 is hands down best value. The stink of the 996 drags values down but the turbo has a Metzger engine instead making it reliable and powerful. Upgrade the suspension and you’re golden.
Yeah, hope you can afford bills that outstrip its value!
Sorry but the engines didn’t get larger in the 991. The 997.2 had a 3.6 and 3.8 litre engines also.
In the US the 997 Turbo is over 100k... not sure where you're getting your pricing from.
I mean the fact that he's English and that he's using £s probably tells you he's not talking about the US..... Lots of second hand cars are much cheaper in the UK than in the US. Duh
@@danieldenizen5799 fair point no reason to try to start an argument
The examples in the video were cheaper as they were Tiptronic. And the cheaper priced ones are often not stock, high mileage (80k+ miles), incomplete service hist, private sellers, terrible over-revs report (if manual), high number of owners. There's quite a variance in the UK prices for 997 Turbo's. Decent manual examples with around 30k miles probably are priced around £65-70k from specialists, and a decent Tiptronic prob closer to £55k. Nice cars.
@@niall3973 yea that is on point...you can get the auto 997 turbo in the states for 80,000 ish or 75 with high miles...a manual 997.1, last of the Metzger engines with lower miles, more like 120 to 140 thousand dollars.
991 c4s all day !!
Woah 911
911 R please 🤤
997 Turbo for me. It’s the most beautiful Porsche ever made.
996 4S for 16K? Not in the US, not even with Tiptronic. They're routinely going for $30-40K, depending on mileage. Coupe with 6-speed manual are the most sought-after.
930 no further argument thank you. I have a 1989 Ruf and would not trade it for an Enzo. Great video though
993 turbo
A 964 as a great value???? I’m on my third air cooled and have been following the market for decades. These are GREAT cars, but they are so highly overpriced and overvalued they are absolutely NOT a great value. In fact I’m watching for the bubble on them to burst. It’s a combo of restomod shops buying this generation and typical hype cycle around certain models that artificially inflate prices. Love your content but you missed the mark on this one. It might be that you’re comparing this model within the generation.
Good luck waiting to 964 value to drop.
He spoke so quick the words merged..
911 Targa 4 s
My favorite : 997.2 C4S ( lower $ ) , but for more $ probably a 997.2. turbo S , or GT3 *** All in manual 6spd !! I don't believe in PDK ( believe it exists ... but not for me)
The 997.2 Turbo S was only offered with PdK, no manual…
I'd like to have my 997 back.
996 turbo S
The 993 from across the pond looks so much better without the blackout "teeth" front bumperettes. It's so much prettier. The best 911 is the 2010 Sport Classic.
993s start with 272 hp and not 250. Varioram from 1996 had 285 hp.
The name Porsche brings two things to mind. 1./ They make ugly f’n cars. 2./ They can’t count. 994, 993, 996, 997, 991, 992. WTF. This is the craziest Shyt ever.
Not a Targa in sight. Shame on you 😂
hi 997 gen 2 3;6
I have a convertible 1992 C2 cab, and a 2008 C4S. Love them both! They are like a sexy, expensive mistress that I love to take out for long dates 🙃
73 911S.
997.2 GTS
997.1tt
Very deceptive title. The 997 turbo and 993 gen have NOT depreciated in any way, shape or form since 2016!!!
This current 911 and one generation back are the only ones that don't look like crap
All of these cars except for the 996 are going up in value - not down.
Which makes it good value as they’re an amazing road car
@@2702simmo Had a 996, and never bonded with it. Honestly, it wasn’t amazing at anything. It was like a Honda Accord with substandard 911 looks. Even the previous & post decade of 911s look better than the 996.
@@biffbifford402 each to their own I guess had mine over 3 years and best car I’ve owned particularly compared to more powerful cars I’ve had
@@biffbifford402 I own a Ferrari 355 F1 Spider and a 996 2003 C2 and guess what, I love the car and have owned it 11 years now. I don't follow people and have my own opinion on everything and I love the headlights. I also own a 928 GTS and previous to that a 1976 911 Targa.
@@desiday7070 After the 996 I had an MX5, Lotus Elise, and now a C8 HTC. The C8 is hands down the best all around sports car of the all.
a 986 boxster gives you 70% of 911 experience, and has the (smaller displacement but the same 911) engine in a better location, and costs 2/3 less.
Please bracket correctly.
Please stop all the arm waving. Its frightfully irritating.
The 996 is cheap because it’s not as reliable as well as the front lights. Bore scoring ims bearing these are a steer clear of car.
He talks to slow
I wish he did as I can’t understand all of it!
If it weren’t for the 996 Porsche would be all but a memory
If you are willing to spend $50k on engine rebuild, water and break lines, etc., then go for it. That's not including replacing and / or repairing interior seats and broken plastic components.
Could you be a bit more vague please? Thanks.
Your ego is as big as your enthusiasm, which can get in the way of clear thinking and basic understanding of the English language. Listen up man, just my opinion based on other presentations by KZhead mechanic reviews.
@@paulcampise3050 Are you replying to me or talking to yourself?
My statement was based on the KZhead video "Why you should never buy a Porsche 997, different than the Porsche you featured, however, will/could/probably/will need same issues fixed beyond engine rebuild. 0:02 easily fixed items are not repaired or replaced that should be done when the engine is dropped. Yes I am talking to myself, I'm the smartest person in the room.
@@paulcampise3050 You clearly aren't as smart as you seem to think as you meant to reply to me yet directed it at yourself... twice. You need to click on the little link that reads, 'Reply'. Try watching the upload again and see if you can work out why I made my original comment. I would comment more but you seem so full of yourself that I feel I would be wasting my time.
Please speak even faster....
I dont like Porsche`s. Mostly overpriced.Better cars available for a lot less money.
Calm down.