No one knows how to better deal with a puppet than a Stalker. We look at them all! #liesofp #lore
Chapters:
00:00 History of the Stalkers
03:22 The Mad Donkey
04:24 The Survivor
05:03 The Red Fox and the Black Cat
06:20 The Atoned
06:59 Alidoro the Hound
09:35 The Black Rabbit Brotherhood
10:40 The White Lady
11:25 The Owl Doctor
12:26 The Robber Weasel
12:55 The Legendary Stalker
The irony of the mad donkey being the sane person. He knew exactly who was responsible for the puppet outbreak, and that you were an agent of furthering that chaos.
It’s sad because he did know the truth and he gets killed for it, but that’s exactly what Geppetto wanted. ☹️
Truly an "are we the baddies?" moment
oh i always thought he was saying this cause he keep the memories of us if we die and comeback , since at the end even simon told u "so she was supporting you by rewind time each times"
even asks whyv do you keep coming back@@nxmeless8622
he knows you respawning too (if you were bad enough to die to him)
Carlo actually did become a stalker, he graduated from the Monad Charity House. And gave his graduation necklace to Romeo to spite his father.
Carlo may have died in the workshop collapse too. It couldn't just have been the petrification disease because the legendary stalker monologue about arriving too late would make no sense. The other possibility is that he was buried alive and either died of asphyxion or thirst and said Stalker found him just too late.
I was about to comment the same thing - lots of people speculate he died from the Petrification disease, but it doesn't make any sense from the Legendary Stalkers dialogue. Also, if he graduated, he shouldn't have been at the monad house (maybe). I wondered if the grave by the Malum District with the smiling bunny mark is Carlo's grave, since it's by the inactive stargazer that's likely for DLC purposes. If Carlo was an active stalker, the Black Rabbits must have known him (especially as Carlo and Romeo seemed to hang out in the Red Lobster Inn). This would explain why the BRB would recognize Carlo's visage right away and assume he's Geppeto's puppet, since they'd know Carlo is dead (of course, this may just be from the fact they have the portrait) This may also explain why the Mad Donkey also recognizes P for what he is. He may have been comrades with Carlo, which may explain his dialogue. Obviously this is pretty speculative.
@@CassielSardavic Yeah, I have seen a lot of 'Mad Donkey is breaking the 4th wall' theory, but if you take the idea he was friend with Carlo and Romeo, he may have actually cornered Gepetto because he wanted to know what happened to them, recognize us because of our ressemblance with Carlo (for who he guilt over and have dreams/nightmares about)
So turns out I was wrong. There is a title screen bit that says "Geppetto's son died of the Petrification disease" and then about how this effected Geppetto - I just finished NG+4 and I saw during the flash back of the Legendary Stalker that Carlo's body is still wearing the charity house school uniform. I thought because he graduated he would be in his late teens (and Geppetto made the puppet look younger to harken back to better days when they were "a happy family"), but it doesn't appear so - he dies in the Rose Estate Incident, which coupled with the uniform, would imply that he was still a student. I am assuming this was like a middle/elementary school graduation and he would be moving on to more adavanced studies. I am not sure how the school system works in Korea, so I am not sure the time line/age cut off.
@@maxentirunosbest theory I’ve seen so far is that mad donkey is lampwick the third friend mentioned in the memories on the alchemist island. It would make sense as to why he knew geppetto was up to know good and instantly recognized your body and called you the devils puppet
Three things I've noticed on my 3rd and current playthrough: - The Survivor wears a mask that's literally two-faced; right side a white mouse and the left either a black rat or a cat of some kind. As the Rookie stalker's masks are chosen by their superiors, whoay have seen how cowardly and deceitful he was. - the Survivor's "brother" is named Leo, which could reference a lion, which tells of how different they were, maybe even a reference to the Mouse and Lion fable. His outfit also mentions noble and Pride, which are traits associated with lions. - The red Apple you can buy and give to Adelina, may be a Snow White reference, as she was seen as the most beautiful Belladonna in Krat and dies not soon after we give her said apple. The Major difference is that she wasn't poisened by an older sister and here it's the other way around.
That is such a great observation about The Survivor and Leo, that is absolutely a reference to a lion and a mouse which is a really common theme in fairytales and parables! Thanks so much for sharing your thoughts on that! 😊
@@kitetales you're welcome, it may be common, but it took me a while to realise, especially how they fit together as in the fables.
Maybe it'll have something to do with whatever the devs have planned with Oz- given the whole "cowardly lion" character
@@MrBlueWaooWaoo never made that connection, but if Leo turns out to be alive and also ran away, that could fit, although it may be hard to link it, without knowing more about Leo and the Survivor's past.
a bit ironic he was weak enough to get a mouse mask but his attack combo almost never ends (unless you flinch/two dragon saber it)
Legendary stalker might be Lady Antonia, because she hinted she was "fierce" in her youth, and she knew Carlo, was closest friend of Gepetto, and has ties with alchemists.
Yeah I’ve seen that theory and like it! Also Antonia has a feather in her hair, and it kind of looks like the Legendary Stalker feather too…
Another possible hint can be found in her portrait after the attack on hotel Krat. The drawing on her portrait shows her with antlers and as most/all stalkers wear animal themed masks it's possible that if she used to be a stalker her animal was something like a stag
@@CormacThunderStarI belive its supposed to be her turned into a petrafication creature due to her disease
She could be the one we see on the alchemist isle when we interact with the snow people memories she could be that stalker that Romeo or Carlo was asking to teach them how to fight
@@adamoneill6663I have her saved and cured by then so it’s definitely not for the disease
The owl doctor is Watson. The apartment is 221b which is a reference to 221b Baker Street, the apartment of Sherlock Holmes and John Watson. The owl doctors uniform is actively a British army doctor uniform
Ooo nice observation!
@@kitetales yeah there are a bunch of subtle ones, and some that aren't so subtle. Like I'm sure you noticed the portrait of Carlo that grows the wooden nose was painted by Dorian Gray
@@9RealmsPublishingthat one was one of my favorite references still
For legendary stalker, there is also an evidence that legendary stalker was indeed going to the path of cricket style since the loading screen said she is not bastard or sweeper. When you fighting Black Rabbit Brotherhood in malum district after you knock out the last brother he will say something that your move is not bastard nor sweeper. It could be Carlo actually self-train himself after seeing the legenday stalker "Cricket" fighting style without knowing that its not Bastard or Sweeper fighting style. Since in the memory there is no way Carlo got traind by legendary stalker bcuz she refused Carlo request till he died and she was regretting her decision.
I got the impression she eventually did take him on as a pupil. The way she talked about being too late, she seemed genuinely distraught, making it seem she had a closer connection to Carlo.
-i always thought the line “those moves… you’re no bastard, you’re a sweeper” was silly coming from the guy who is currently calling you out and attacking you for being a puppet- i cant believe all this time i thought he said “you’re” 💀 i just saw the subtitle and it says “nor” 😭😭😭 i was too focused on the fight because when they said it for me it was mid fight and not at the end
One of the Korean lies of P lore videos talked about a theory of Antonia = legendary stalker = Isabelle Monad Considering there were written texts in the game regarding La Bleiwis wine having a cherry scent, which there's a text that the legendary stalker also enjoyed this particular wine, and Antonia's final letter to us indicating that the letter was cherry-scented. Also regarding Antonia's affluence and the game providing zero indication of the house "Cerasani" which is Antonia's last name. Most of the other rich houses such as Volfe or Monad are mentioned frequently but considering Antonia's reputation of being noble, ladylike, and having enough capital to purchase a "haunted" place to renovate into Hotel Krat...is odd (according to the lore theory vid). So it could be that Isabelle Monad left her former name behind after all the incident regarding Valentinus & Sofia, then started using a different name. Antonia also sounds like she cares a lot about P, which may have come from her sentiment towards Carlo, in which she saw him die. And with P resembling Carlo, Antonia gives him the clothes he used to wear during his time at Monad Charity House and cares about him too. I mean this is one game theory but I think it makes a lot of sense connecting the dots
I love listening to Souls game lore as I fall asleep and you've absolutely overtaken Vaati as my favorite. The way you depict the world and your voice are just perfect. Thanks for the content
Thank you so much for watching! 💙
This was amazing! I love your style and storytelling. Its early days but you could be the Vaati Vidya for Lies of P! Thanks for another excellent video!
Thank you so much! That’s extremely high praise, I will gladly apply for that position! 😆💙
I was thinking/ feeling this too! Prepare to LIE series on each of the stalkers would be the move.
ok so this is a COMPLETE shot in the dark but I think it might be possible we actually meet the legendary stalker again in the game there's a certain questline where you get a certain wine for this old lady its the same exact wine that the paper said the legendary stalker liked! not to mention the reward we get is a vintage collectable for viginni the coin it says it was given to its founding supporting members so this person was involved with the upbringing of krat so very well could have been a stalker!
Oo nice connection about the commemorative coin!! It would be awesome if it's the Wine Lady, and when you first come to the window, she does call you her Stalker friend... you might be onto something!
Theory - Carlo wasn't killed by the disease, he was killed in the battle of the workshop. And his mentor failed him. My prediction is the legendary stalker was/is Red Fox. She then took on another "little brother" in Black Cat. I believe that's why she says - "I don't want to fight, not you anyway". Of course I could be 100% wrong: )
Yeah the line “if only I’d gotten here sooner” would line up with that!
Random thought here but has anyone else noticed the 'Proof of Humanity' weapon is a pair of scissors? As in to cut puppet strings and prove you're human? 😂 just something I noticed today on NG+ and wondered if anyone else has had similar thoughts Edit: found out this is literally the description of the weapon 😂 well perhaps it speaks volumes to the way this game is made that I could figure that out while being a brainlet by not reading the description first 🤣
He had to cut them puppet strings! ✂️
He ain't got no strings to hold him down, to make him fret, or to make him frown.
@@thekatarnalchemist he has no strings and now he's free to go on a killing spree 🎶🤣
For some reason i interpreted the Donkey stalker saying, "Stop showing up" as him some how remembering Carlo after you do NG+. Only reason why I felt that way is because I don't recall him saying that line on my first playthrough. I could be totally making this up tho, just sharing thoughts. Thank you for these videos!
Thanks for watching! 💙
That line shows up if you die and come back to fight him again. If you manage to one-shot his fight, he doesn't say it, in my experience.
@@cw4767so in his "madness" he is able to notice Sofía rewinding time? Man was more sane that half the city of krat
Love the video! I have a few extra thoughts I think "H" in Medero's journal is probably referring to "Hound" though, not Alidoro's real name. It might also be possible that Lumacchio from the same journal is the Legendary Stalker. Google translate says that it means "Snail", another character from Pinocchio, and the snail motif matches up well with the Legendary Stalker "being too late" to save Carlo. Hopefully we will find out in the dlc!
Read some comments down below and the "Antonia is the Legendary Stalker" theory could make a lot of sense if she is also Lumacchio. Her petrificaiton disease definitely counts as her being ill. I wasn't sold on this when I first read about it because I'm not sure how that puts Carlo's birth on the timeline, but this might have convinced me.
I’m so glad I found this channel, you tell the stories of this game incredibly well!
Thank you so much for the nice comment! 😊
Great video. I can't believe I missed so many of these details in my playthrough.
Thanks so much!!
An interesting and very important fact to keep in mind is that the loading screen facts actually have lies in them! I wish I could remember where the post was that broke it down, but there are numerous details/historic events that are mentioned about pre-game events that through the environment storytelling turn out to be blatant lies. The biggest indicator of this is that there are a lot of facts that don't seem to correlate, with what the loading screen says about the charity house specifically, to the notes we find littered. So truthfully, I think it's far more likely Carlo's death was a foul play by the alchemists. Also, while we all thought the loading bar saying "NOW LYING..." instead of "NOW LOADING..." was just a cheeky pun, it may be more literal than we thought.
So truthfully, I think it's far more likely Carlo's death was a foul play by the alchemists. Just saw this after I posted. I think Carlo was killed in combat during the workshop battle. And if Nameless is Carlo's corpse it could explain the legs and arm being replaced.
That would make a lot of sense! I could see that entire battle being something the alchemists plotted. @@MrPeterStevens
Carlo perishes to the petrification disease, and the Ergo created by his sickness was used to power the P-organ. The Alchemists, however, are directly responsible for the widespread use of Ergo in Krat (and therefore, the spread of PD), so it's still true: technically the Alchemists are responsible for Carlo's death.
Been a while since I’ve had some good lore in my veins… just gonna lay back and let it defuse while I drift off.
YES PLZ do more of these on the alchemist and workshop technicians I would love these!!
On it! Thank you Edward!! 💙😊
@@kitetales THANK YOU, for the amazing content!
One other connection between Stalkers, 2 characters both have a similar line, the Red Fox and the (battle ready?) brother both comment on P’s moves saying “I’ve seen those moves before” and the fox outright saying the legendary stalker so maybe the legendary stalker taught P?
The only other one i know doing Lies of P in depth lore like this. Really great stuff girly! Loving it all so far (:
Thank you so much!! It’s been a lot of fun to work on, I really appreciate all the nice feedback! 💙
If you notice the Black Cat's signpost it says Toy Land from where he most likely escaped.
Yes!! That’s what I think too
I LOVE LORE VIDEOS!!! Well done! You should make a running series of various lore for LOP..my personal GOTY. Now with the announcement of DLC, this already fascinating world will continue to grow into something truly remarkable! Keep up the amazing content! You just earned a new subscriber 💪🏾💯
Thank you so much!!! 😊💙 I am STOKED for the DLC! It’s amazing how much this studio loves its game and their fans, can’t wait to see more news about what’s coming out!
I really enjoy these, please do make the others :):):) I’m still SUPER enamored with the game and lore so, I can’t get enough of it right now!!!
Thank you so much!! I’m so glad to see how many are loving this game!
that one letter on Hugo's optional cave please do a video for that iirc Medoro was actually acquainted with Sophia which is intriguing considering the real Alidoro knows Medoro too
Thank you so much for these!!! 300+ hours in and I can' t get enough of this game and it's lore. Hoping for more!!!!!! .....ooooh that Robber Weasel..........grrrrrrr!
Thank YOU! Oh my gosh Robber Weasel was SO ANNOYING. That little kick she’d do after knocking you to the ground?! 😆
Just finished this game so happy to see someone making these types of video for this game Hope you get the exposure you deserve!
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Ive been waiting for someone to do lore vids with a great story telling voice. Ty
Thank you! 😊
There is one little detail about the Black Cat revealed only on the credits: his name is Lucio.
Give us a prepare to LIE series on each of the characters! I feel it would be great for growth of your channel!! loving your work and soothing voice!
Oh my gosh that is such a great idea!! Would love to do that for some of the bosses. (Vaati please don’t send me a cease and desist)
@@kitetales oh! I hope thats not a thing! haha anyways.. Keep up the good work
Thumbs up for pointing out that the Cat deceived the Fox by saying they're long-lost siblings, but where did you find the info about the Fox figuring it out? The last one is something I didn't know. Also, interesting point on the "path of the cricket." I always wondered why we only encountered bastards and sweepers, and cricket made no sense, but the individualistic legendary stalker and gemini along with the path of the cricket make sense.
I need more from this games lore! This was beautiful and so well written. Subscribed
Awesome video! I'm so glad someone is doing Lies of P lore videos of such high quality!
I am loving these vids, well done!!!
Great video! Your Lies of P lore & story content is the best I’ve seen. Please continue to make more!
Thank you so much, I really appreciate hearing that!! I’m hoping to have my next one out this week! 😊
Please continue this series. This is so informative. I love this game so much
Thank you so much! ❤
A three part series sounds great
your voice is so soothing ...i love all these lore videos
I loved watching lore videos for elden ring. But lies of p is my favorite game ever, and now there is lore videos!! Thank you for the awesome video. (I subbed btw, your videos are great quality).
Such a great video! Love your lore breakdowns!
Love Lies of P and I love your videos! You do a wonderful job telling the story of this cool little game world. Def one of my new fav channels 🫶🏻
Thank you so much for your super kind comment! 😊💙
Always down for more Lies of P content,been loving it so far.
Thank you so much!
I just loved your content, amazing storytelling! and yes, it would be amazing to have videos about the alchemists and the technicians (I'm just so obsessed by the lore of the lies of p right now that I can watch everything about it lol)
I’m in love with these lore videos!
Amazing! I never put together the one-wing reference on the Whote Lady! It’s also an occultic reference to a fallen angel, so that adds another layer. You may be tired of the reference, but what Vaati does for Souls, you are doing for Lies of P. Keep it up! I’ll follow it the whole way.
Great point about the fallen angel since that was the big reveal about who the Arm of God originally belonged to! Thank you so much for the kind words, being compared to Vaati is a HUGE compliment so I can only hope to strive for that level of quality!! 💙😊
Love this! Also your voice is therapeutic. Reminds me of a daily affirmation video I used to watch
Thank you! That is such a great compliment! ❤
Love these LoP videos! The game has such a cool world and lore please make more!
Thank you so much! More videos on the way!
Your storytelling and editing skill are up there with big youtuber like Vaatividya DAMN🥳
I missed a lot these facts despite reading everything very carefully during my first playthrough ... well done 👍
Thank you so much! 😊
I adore this game so much so thank you for going into detail about some of the lore!❤
Thank YOU for watching! ❤
I just finished lies of P and I am loving your videos.
Brilliant analysis comme d’habitude. Cela doit prendre des heures pour faire cette présentation. Bravo ! J’ai appris beaucoup !
Merci beaucoup mon ami ! ❤️ Et oui, des heures pour certain ! 😆
Very good video, helps people get a quick view of the world that's easily missed if they're just focused on the gameplay. And all the things I've scoured the game myself seems to align with everything you've said too.
Thank you!
Please, do more! Even though I read through all the notes, I rarely pieced things together 😅 This would be much helpful :)
Very nice work! Your voice is a really appropriate match for the source material. Keep it up!
Thank you so much! 💙
Lies of P lore videos. This is what I need. Love this game.
Amazing video! The way Lies of P put this little pieces of story to enrich the world building its a great work!! Btw, now they confirmed the DLC in is production, maybe we will know more about the Stalkers, specially the Legendary One? Can wait for it!
YES!! So excited for the DLC, from the two images they shared it seems like it will have some very fun locations to explore
Omg just finished my ng+ and i was searching for lore content. Love this!!!
Thank you so much!! 💙
Please keep going on these series!!! Always get lost in intense lore while playing, this is amazing thank u so much cause its a beautifull game so far 😭😭😭
The Mad Donkey's lines and records about things repeating, seeing things again, etc seem to imply that he had the same help from Sophia that Pinocchio later receives: the power to rewind time so that he can Dark Souls the sh♡t out of the problems. But it appears his mind couldn't handle the endless suffering and went mad.
I love your lore videos!
Thank you so much! 💙
Awesome facts and awesomely soothing voice; you are gifted!
Thank you so much!! 🦋
its so depressing to read the black rabbit brotherhood’s journal on ng+ “obtained 5 ergo today” while the player has like 50k ergo on hand 💀
Great video, thank you.
I think the legendary stalker is that old lady in the wheelchair. Their voices are similar and she seems to care about P (Carlos) a lot.
LOVE THIS... please do more!
You got it!! 😊
These videos are incredible
Thank you so much! 💙
I honestly love this game, lore is amazing
HOly fuck thank you. Amazing content on Lies of P through and through. Well done.
My theory is that The *Fox* went with the *Cat's* story is because she wants to get rid of the guilt when she wasn't able to save Carlo before the Legendary stalker and the Fox has the same Dancer sword, and same clothing (different mask, changed? because wants a new identity fresh even?) also the Fox fits the Bastard or a Sweeper persona, because she was a Bastard but travels in the Sweeper area where she probably met the Cat the Fox also has the line when you fight her that P might be the only real challenge she has
Not a bad theory! I always thought the Legendary Stalker’s mask looked like a quail. 😆 We’ll see more of her I’m sure!
Just saw this! I just posted the same thing. I swear I didn't read your theory first!
4:36 yeah i was surprised when i heard the dialogue is different, i only watch some youtuber before trying the game myself. A simple yet interesting details
You have a really good voice for storytelling
Thank you very much! 😊
What a voice! You were made for this.
Thank you so much! 😊💙
Fully down for you being the Vaati for Lies of P
I graciously ACCEPT! 🙏
I think we all know the legendary stalker is being saved for the DLC
Yeah for sure; there are some fun theories about her, but I'm in the camp of we haven't seen her yet.
You have such a pretty voice! I loved this video so informative!
Thank you so much!! 😊💙
Its not mentioned by anyone ive watched or read, but since ergo and descartes are mentioned in the game i think its interesting to note that tye devs also subtlety throw the idea of monads in the game (you know, since libeniez ans descartes were both grouped in the modern philosophy era).
if you fight the fox she metions reconincing your fitingh style as that of the legendary stalker or somthing like that. i had to recheck that dialogue.
*please* tell me you’ll do more LOP lore videos, this is so good! I’m subscribing just for this. I’m making my own “twisted fairytale” world for a ttrpg and these vids will be useful.
Beautiful and educational video thank you
Thank you! ❤️
There is more lore in this video's comment section than in actual game itself, and I like it
I would love to see you do videos on all the endings and a full story of the game. Also if there are special items like in elden ring, then vids about those =)
editing is very cool beans.
Thank you! 😊
Great video.
Thank you! 💙
I think the legendary stalker is the woman you give wine to.
That would be the best reveal
Great to see more people talking about lies of P. My burning curiosity is the story behind the trinity rooms. The trinity is the father, son, and holy spirit. It could be for guipetto, carlo, and pinnochio? Maybe its a different god like the one the alchemists contacted? Why does the king of riddles have the only keys? It makes for great discussion
It’s late, but I shall binge this in the morning with some iced coffee 💅🏼
amazing work mam, god bless your family with more health!
Thank you so much!
Good fucking video. You're amazing keep up the good work!
I seen somewhere the theory that the mad Donkey was actually Lampwick, from the original novel. Friend with Romeo and Carlos, he actually go after Gepetto because he want to know what happened to them. He must have seen as a child Carlos being killed and got nightmares from it. It's also how he know that we are Gepetto puppet, because he recognize Carlos face and know he is dead, so the figure before him can only be a puppet.
Love the content
Thank you so much! 💙
it was brilliant thank you
The Black Rabbit Brotherhood reminds me of the Marcus brothers from Vampire Hunter D bloodlust movie, the Big guy died first and they then sworn revenge..then the other Rabbit also had arm crossbow attached to his arm, much like Borgoff from Vampire Hunter D.
After watching this video I have one thing to say: DAMN THIS GAME'S STORY GOES HARD.
i legit didnt know you could emote to greet the Atoned, dont know if thats 2nd playthrough content or not. but i loved to see all the secret interactions and stuff, like what happens if you dont send alidoro to the hotel ? or dose he end up at the hotel no mather what and i lost out on some good lies XD
Yeah he ends up there regardless! I was afraid I’d get him killed though if I sent him to Venigni Works!
Perfect video
With a name like Romeo, I'm willing to bet that the legendary stalker's name is Juliet.
Well said. I appreciate your story telling. I dont have the patients to sift thru the game dialogue
I am a bit late having just finished my first playthrough and I would love to see more for Lies of P
Been trying to find more info on the Black Rabbit Brotherhood lore alone, would love a video on that! Also, do you know which of the stalkers you presented are bastards vs sweepers? I realize that the cat is a sweeper, but what about the others? Thanks!
I put little title cards in the video in each of the different Stalker sections with their affiliations! 😄
@KiteTales thanks!! I missed that completely. :) your videos are so well made!
this is a good story. so another question is gemini a stalker too?
I think that he’s just a particular robot/AI companion that was inherited; Sophia knows who he is and has restart him twice so I think she probably knows his story more than any of the other characters.
I got the same impression, especially as the Legendary Stalker asks Gemini to "Get rid of us(Carlo)" which would mean he'd need some way to move and act on his own. Either he once was a fully functional puppet and worked with said Stalker and later put into the Monad Lamp, or more sinister, he was human and somehow he was put into the Lamp, maybe an experiment by the Alchemist or Gepetto himself.
Is he Lampwick? That character introduction in the beach flashback sequences felt very strange and I wasn't sure what to do with it.
Or is Lampwick the lil black cat?
Lampwick is the name of Pinnochio’s best friend in the original novel, but his real name was Romeo and Lampwick was just a nickname 😊