I Found the Best Mouse for Programming & Gaming.
Ex-Google TechLead finds the perfect mouse featuring Logitech G502X Plus, Razer Basilisk V3 Pro, Razer Deathadder V3 Pro, MX Master 3S, Logitech G502 Hero, Logitech G705, and more. Join ex-Google/ex-Facebook engineers for my coding interview training: techinterviewpro.com/
[edit] sorry, that isn't a Razer Viper, but it is the Deathadder V3 Pro. I was researching both for the video - afaik, they're almost identical, with the Deathadder being a bit taller in shape.
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Razer Deathadder V3 Pro amzn.to/3WyJCqH 4:07
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What is Polling Rate 13:31
Macs unsupported by Razer 14:58
Best Mouse of 2023 15:40
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Join ex-Google/ex-Facebook engineers for my coding interview training: techinterviewpro.com/ [edit] sorry, that isn't a Razer Viper, but it is the Deathadder V3 Pro. I was researching both for the video - afaik, they're almost identical, with the Deathadder being a bit taller in shape.
The MX 3S is the latest and greatest for productivity from logi, but it is too heavy for contemporary demands. I hope MX 4 will drop the weight. If you want ergonomics, the Razer DeathAdder v3 Pro is fine (no Bluetooth, though). The best all-in-one (productivity, gaming, ergonomics, RGB lighting, and Bluetooth) might be the Asus ROG Harpe Ace Aim Lab Edition mouse. Don't thank me ))
quick question, how did you do the slow tracking for the polling rate testing you did at about 14:00?
Coolermaster mastermouse mm710 and new variants. Basically you want the lightest thing with the lightest cord you can get, to stop that strain on your arms and wrists, etc. I don't use wireless because it's added things that can break and added latency, even if small.
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Great video. no fluff, just tech. Love it! That polling info was great I had no idea that BT was that much worse than the dongle.
This was really helpful, thanks! Please do a video for the best keyboard for gaming/productivity as well
Thank you for the indepth review. I am looking for a new mouse for a mix of productivity and casual gaming but features are super important.
Excellent, as usual. Your presentation is extremely airtight and logical. Great job!!
I picked up the DeathAdder V3 pro and the Razer Pro Click mouse last year. Pro Click was very smooth and quiet as well as taller in the hand. All around a great productivity mouse.
But you do it as a millionaire
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Thank you for this elite-level review of these elite-level wireless mice. I expect nothing less from the TechLead.
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Thank you! Tou described my exact use case of being hot swappable from gaming pc to a work mac. Finally have a good reason for the basilisk.
I have or have had several of these mice. My favorite is the roccat leader. Has all the buttons of g502 plus some. Specifically it has the 2 extra buttons to the right of the right click. These buttons are great for push to talk and other things. Allows you to continue working while still able to left click etc. I wish more companies put the extra buttons to the right of right click because these buttons are much more useful then the ones they put to the left of left click.
Mx 3s has been great to me. Love all the options you have when paired up with the keyboard, it’s an amazing work experience.
Mx 3s is the worst mouse ever created, it is not working properly, the wheel issue is the most serious disadvantage of this mouse, but also there many other issues with it
Which mx? Master or anywhere?
@@rifqi96 master
@@turbo568 The problem really is that the 3s are not a beginner's mouse. Using this mouse is an art and takes time to master.
@@SirMonk it's not about the art and I'm not a beginner, it's just the problem of this particular model. The wheel is not working properly at least for some items produced in 2023.
Thanks a lot. Very informative and on the point video. It helped me to decide my next mouse
Thank you for broadening our knowledge about mice technology.....I don't need to mess up choosing the best mouse for almost everything now.
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As a billionaire I remember where I came from
As a millionaire I use the millionaire grip
@@korban007 as a quadrillionaire I remember that I'm not meant to tell people that my dad owns the world
Thank you so much for this video. Its like you been reading my questions and answering them 1 by 1... cheers !!
Based on my experience, I use all the button on my G502 hero, mainly for media player, the original DPI selector, I use it for volume control, the side buttons for forward and backward, and the sniper button for Play/Pause. Use it pretty much all the time, all day everyday.
The kensington expert track ball is the best productivity mouse I’ve used.
Thank you so much for this video!! Funny cause I was in a dilemma over deciding on a higher end mouse a few days ago! This video basically solidifies one of two paths I may take. Before I had two cheap gaming mice, I do a mix of work on my machine: design, video editing/rendering, programming, and gaming so I like a powerful and versatile gaming mouse usually. I saw the awesome productivity MX Master 3S mouse at BestBuy and bit the bullet! I agree it is hands down a top knotch mouse for general office work and development. However, it lacks the style and flaire of a gaming mouse with no LEDs (fair because it's not a gaming mouse). Now I'm contempleting getting a second equivalent design and ergonomically comfortable gaming mouse to match it and not using my old cheap mice. I'll be building a highend desktop in some months and need some new gear to match the upgrade as well! I'm so happy you gave the Razer Basilisk V3 Pro your official thumbs up as the current ultimate productivity + gaming mouse. I can either return my MX Master 3S and get the Razer Basilisk V3 Pro or I can have both, either work for me. The MX Master 3S is so nice I have no problem keeping it for future use as I want to transition to mice with nice comfy thumb grips from now on, no issue with switching between them based on usage but it looks like the Razer Basilisk will do everything I want in a great all-in-one solution if I decide to go that route too. The MX Master 3S has some really nifty features you often don't find in gaming mice that truly benefit office work and multi-tasking like switching tabs on the fly too.
I just got the MX Master 2S and it's amazing. I assume the 3S improves in almost every aspect, so I urge you to keep that one. However, I have used Razer's Basilisk V2 for the last couple of years and it's served me incredibly well. Its ergonomic shape lets my hand rest perfectly onto it. Since the design is near identical to that of the Basilisk V3 Pro, I really wouldn't return that either. Both are superb quality ergo mice and there's a reason why people hold both of them in such high regard.
Good video, I will have to check out some of these mice.
AWESOME video! 10/10. Thank you man!
Quick tip for Logi MX3 when using the browser: Before pressing CTR check first if the wheel is still spinning, or you'll get zoom 1000x 😲
Haha, I feel this comment. Learned this the hard way. I thought I was the only one 😂
thanks for your review. I decided to get myself a Razer Basilisk v3 (wired).
You just spanked all those expert youtube reviewers, this is how a review is done. You got skills for reviewing. I had Logitech mouse fail many times, its like intentionally it will start double click issue after 2 year or so. No matter its 40$ or 150$ mouse.
I have a Logitech G502 Lightspeed wireless (the original). I bought it in 2019 July and I used it for heavy gaming (on average 10-12 hours of use daily). It still retained its battery life, NO double clicking what so ever. Only thing that happened is the rubber coating on the thumb side degraded and peeled off (after 4 years). All my Logitech mice had double clicking issue after a few years but not this one. I will use this until it dies. Also the first time I see this but it is gradually and permanently getting slower. I needed to increase my DPI from 1700 to 2800 over the past half a year. But oh well, I can increase it up to 25600 so it has still has 1 or 2 years in it for sure if not more.
I've used my G502 since 2016. All you have to do is take it apart and use a toothbrush with a little isopropyl alcohol on it to scrub the omron switches under the left and right mouse buttons. This will clean them out. Then blow the switches out, and give the alcohol some time to evaporate, and they'll continue working again for years. They just get gummed up after a few years of use. Literally any mouse will.
Have you coded anything lately
The Basilisk V3 (not the Pro version) is the real successor of the G502 (Proteus Core/Hero): optical switches, a far better mouse wheel, better side surfaces (the sides of the G502 regularly need to be cleaned) and no double click bug after using it for several months. The disadvantages compared to the G502 are the two missing buttons on the top left and the non-adjustable weight. The Basilisk V3 also feels a bit less valueable at the beginning until you get used to its material and lighter weight. The only thing I miss is one small button on the right side either to replace the aim button on the left (which is imho too far away for practial usage, anyhow) or generally for an additional function (like fastly switching to hypershift mode with your pinkie or ring finger which otherwise have nothing to do, at all).
forgot to mention its shitty quality hence unreliability
had my non pro version for 3 years, still holding up great but I got the pro version
@@SemenDoctor you must be very lucky
@@g3_angolddon’t forget its random malfunctions like freezing, blinking, stutters, etc.
I jumped on your video today by chance, very very helpful, what about the G502 Wireless version the one you have wired. what do you think about that one.....I need to buy one now and I am stuck between the razer basilisk and the logitech G502 hero wireless version..
Hey man, as a developer you truly reflect the feels and needs of everyone else in the industry ! Covered all my pain points when I was looking for the mouse, and without having to struggle, finally I found the best based on your review ! Also subscribing for more such content!
Very helpful review, thanks
Exactly the review I was looking for
That was a goddamn amazing review/comparison video mate. 10/10.
Very good review not many other reviewers have mentioned what you did on experience on Macs. I didn’t find that out on my Razor RGB Keyboard until I purchased it. Thanks.
Just bought the mx 3s last week. I am very happy with it.
how come my razor deathadder v2 pro has bt so you don't need dungle? Also has rgb on mine. I do like what you recommended and have dual mouse setup mx master 3s and razor deathadder v2 pro. I don't mind gaming on mx master for fps either as I have high dpi and the weight helps on the low travel. Actually moving to deathadder was more of a learning curve.
Can I ask which Arcteryx jacket that is? I came for the mouse video but I really like that jacket. I have the Atom LT hoodie that looks similar but yours look nicer than mine :)
Great video. Love the chair by the way. Just noticed it, same one that I have.
Pretty sure it was the Logitech MX-3 Master I originally got when I got my M1 MacMini while it was super-newly released, in hopes that the thumb side-scroll wheel would work well. It was Bluetooth. How well did it work? It was the shittiest experience I’d ever had, with delays of several seconds between rolling it and getting a response. Was it perchance a problem with their drivers or the Bluetooth stack/HID stack in the version of the OS? Perhaps, but it wasn’t worth wasting time and effort on it once I saw it behaved poorly on my other Macs as well. So I returned it and found the Logitech G502 Hero SE or whatever the exact name, wired, as I was done dealing with Bluetooth. For a mouse, it works very well, and I especially love the free-wheeling center mouse wheel, and it’s a shame they went stupid on that, as that’s one of the nicest features of the mouse for me for productivity: the side buttons and enabling side-to-side motions, I’m just not coordinated enough to not mess that up in fine maneuvering scenarios, and that’s also a problem I found with the MX3 regardless of all else: if you push a button hard enough on the side to register it, likely you’ll move the rest of the mouse the wrong way, so that sucks if you’ve not got that finesse: I suspect that’s a large part of why it was made that heavy as well in comparison to everything else.
Best explanation. Thanks very much!
Great video thanks, I wanted an 'all in one' and I was drawn to the Razer Basilisk V3 Pro - I did at first want the MX3s but did not like the form factor, felt too claw like to me so think I will go for the Razer Basilisk V3 Pro as I thought :)
How do you feel about mmo mice? Like the razer naga or something similar?
The thing I hate about the basilisk v3 is the rubber on the thumb rest for some odd reason it peels off this is the second one I own and they both have that issue
I am surprised that you didn't review the G502 Lightspeed as a replacement option for the G502. It is the logical mouse choice that has to be in this review. I was looking for the same - having good productivity/coding/gaming mouse and regular traveling, it is the mouse that won the battle for me. Great review nonetheless!
he actually doesn't like the lightspeed and prefers the hero because of the scrollwheel being worse, same with the g502x plus
Excellent! 👍 Very effective & efficient review. Thanks, millionaire
I use the G604 for gaming, work, and going into the office. No issues with the scroll wheel ratcheting. And of course, it's cordless.
I really just want a variant of the mx master that's got some better gaming features; slightly lighter, better glide pads, the ability to charge via the wireless mousepad, yadayada. I used the mx revolution that got released in 2005/6 and I absolutely loved it. used it till it died. I want to go back to a mouse like that one day. I want something that doesn't look like an epic gamer mouse but that can actually function as one.
Same, i basically want the exact same build as the MX Master 3 but with higher polling rate
Nice review. Wish it included at least 1 vertical mouse such as the MX Vertical
I have MX Vertical, it fixed my wrist pains was having trying to use a small mouse like MX anywhere. It's pretty much inferior to MX master 3 in every way except ergonomics. But for me the ergonomics is more important.
What is your opinion on the glorious model o wireless?
Nice comparison. Yo, mind if I ask if basilisk works on glass?
Returning my G502 Hero... way too small/narrow of a mouse. I found my hand cramping pretty quickly the first hr or so of use. Is the razer basilisk v3 just as narrow of a mouse?
Best comparison. It's exactly my case scenario. And comparison between mises I actually were looking for.
Hi, I have an out of context question: do you think that with the advent of ChatGPT there could be a reduction in requests for Junior Developers?
I am very happy with the g502 hero (wired) for what it's worth got it on a sale.
Very good explenation about this mouses. I would like to ask you if Razer Basilisk V3 WIRED good, because I have some problem with my scroll wheel with other mouse I have at the moment. I need good wired mouse.
I have one, and it's pretty good. The only thing I would worry about is the durability of the cluch that switches between tactile and smooth.
Thinking about buying Basilisk V3 Pro to use with my iMac + Windows. Important thing for me to know: will the SMART-REEL MODE work on Mac? Thanks in advance!
If someone is looking for an answer to this question, then yes, SMART-REEL MODE works on a Mac if it is first activated on Windows (Razer Synapse)
@TechLead need your help! How you managed to solve the issue of Basilisk V3 Pro side buttons, "sniper" button and the wheel left-right buttons? They are just do not work((( Thanks!
Tried the G502x lightspeed - Had the same issues... the clicks sound very loud and hollow, the scroll wheel either has a loud ratchet sound or when in free mode it sometimes spins/scrolls on its own which is very annoying for such an expensive mouse :( - Might give that razer a try
Just bought Basilisk v3Pro to replace my old G502 wireless, very good choice comparing to material quality, the wheel behavior, optical switches etc. I like it much more than even G502X plus!!!!.. yes, I tried it too, and it had a defective wheel, no kidding, it's really one step back Logitech. So I replace it with Razer.. Do not regret about it :)
Currently using the Logitech G604 which borrows a lot of the G502, wi tmore of a stealthy look. It has bluetooth/dongle connectivity, hyperfast scroll wheel. Plus 8 programmable keys that I use for quick action macros. I guess no rgb, and slightly heavy would be the cons.
Same here, love my 604 for gaming, also have the MX master s2 for 3+ years for non gaming PC use, now saw an offer for an 502 lightspeed for 150$ with Starfield as a gift and strongly considering buying it.
DeathAdder V2 Pro still my favorite. palm grip ergo no glossy parts that feel sticky and overall easier to handle than Basilisk shape.
I'm a huge fan of the Logitech M305, because it's small & light. I have small hands. When I use bigger mouses (mice?), I get hand cramps.
Brilliant video. Loved your sense of humour.
Thanks for this great video! I'm also on Mac, but like you, I think I would prefer the Basilisk, for all the reasons you say. I've given the Magic Mouse a try for over a year and I've come to hate pretty much everything about it, including the fact that it seems to have a mind of its own (and we don't see eye to eye). Cheers!
Sad thing about Mx 3s is that it doesn't have toggle and repeat options around Logi Options +. G hub in the other hand does have this options.
Simplest and fool-proof way to customize the Razer mice on MacOS is to do all the customization of it on a Windows machine and then store those profiles on the mouse itself. Except very few features that are clearly indicated with "Synapse Only", each configuration and setup will work on MacOS as well. Once you configure it to your liking on the Windows machine, store the profile on the mouse and then just connect it to your Mac and voila - everything works perfectly.
What about the scrolling issues of MX Master 3S ? Is it resolved ?
Is there any gaming mouse with silent click? Cause the mx Masters 3 s has a Bad polling rate 1250hz
a lighter alternatives for Razer Basilisk V3 Pro?
Strip the wired mouse parts and replace the wheel in the wireless one make it abit heavier
I have had the Logitech MX 2 and the MX 3, and in both the left button started to fail after one year of use. The wheel also failed in the MX3, it gets stuck, and when you try to scroll it clicks instead. Will Razer Basilisk be better? Or maybe the brand Mad Catz? Some reviews say the problem with Razer is their software and the connection.
i also had 2 logitech mouses that fail too soon like less than 1 year each. G602 and G604. after that i switched to Razer Naga pro, 2 years now and it doesnt fail yet but shows wear and aging now. i do heavy vfx editing and gaming. one downside is razer dont have mac software so i have to setup the buttons on windows.
True fact, I change from the palm grip to the claw grip and I now have less bugs in my code.
Can you review the glorious i2 as well?
What is that large black pad/surface you mouse on?
Because of this video, I have just noticed that my g502 wears down on the thumb grip rubber.
The G502 Hero has this cable only in some regio version like the older EU version while some regio versions has a plastic cable like the newer German version. That's quite annoying because my roommate and his brother have the old EU version while I only got the newer German version.
What about the glorious model I?
Wow, this is an awesome review!
Logitech G903 wireless is great also have the 502X which I still use at my other computer as a non-millionaire.
G502 is awesome. MX Master 3S is great, too, and it has bluetooth
My g602, best ever, is starting to drop chess pieces while dragging. I might give the basilisk v3 pro a shot, but the mx master looks comfy.
Has Razr commented as to why they don't support Synapse 3 on the Mac platform? I believe Steel Series, Logitech and others support both platforms and are updating on a regular. I really want to get that "Razer Basilisk V3 Pro" but without the software support, it feels like a crippled device. Thanks for the video!
That’s why Razer is garbage
Hopefully you'll review the roccat kone xp air
I use the Aerox 5 on Mac, it has bluetooth and rgb. Feels and looks good, just not a fan of the klick sound.
can you PLEASE recommend a wireless gaming mouse FOR LEFT-HANDERS. theres really very little info that I can find all these mid to high-end gaming mice are for right-handers
have you ever tried any corsair mouse i know they mostly have bluetooth wireless mouse
Razer Naga V2 Pro Wireless Gaming Mouse for macro plus it has 5 on board profiles game changer if you're on the go. The options to macro coding or productivity is a game changer. Things i use often are copy paste new tab close tab bunch of templates or libraries for coding and common cyber security commands Linux commands as well
I don't want to know what you would think of mine Logi M350 😂
I just purchased the normal Basilisk V3 and not the pro. It's got wire and it's not Bluetooth. So far it's been great and I love it.
I picked up the Basilisk V3 wired, for a discount. Coming from a low-mid end old mouse.... damn. Felt really horrible the first few days, but after a week, I kind of like it. The scrollwheel is really nice for "rage" scrolling.
Think i'm doing this. The wired version is one third of the price
@@Danmaster01 Go for it. In hindsight I would have picked the wireless one, as my desk is full of wires right now.
@@WetPig Arriving tomorrow. No batteries needed. 🤝
Deathadder V3 is my favourite by far. I'm not that fond of my MX Master. The weight is stupid for any serious mouse-work. For programming, it's probably ok, but for CAD work it's un-ergonomical because of the weight, and the shape is less ergonomic than the classic EC2-like shape of the DAv3. However, I'm using a Steelseries Prime Wireless now, which has an even slightly better shape than the DAv3, and fantastic mouse-buttons. However, it has a horrible scroll wheel (QC issues on several units I've owned).
Which out of these will be the best for music production???
Deathadders just fit my hand so good and offer the basics what I want. basilisk as well. I am a Razer person when it comes to mice, they just are most comfy for my hand.
unpopular opinion: i have the mx master 3 and i think buying the 3s is worth it for the silent clicking. Just a small detail that makes sense: productivity mice should be silent if you are bringing it to libraries, classrooms, studyrooms, etc. The same reason why even if you like the sound of thocky keyboards, you wouldn't bring one out to public.
I have the basilisk and the scroll wheel has a lot of errors where it scrolls the wrong direction. This appears to be a common problem even straight out of the box.
I’ve been considering replacing my wired V2 Basilisk with a new V3. Is this still a problem?
For Basilisk, are you able to make customization on Windows then just use it on Mac?
Nope
The "snipe" button on the G502 can also be remapped. Plus on any G502 mouse, you can click the scroll wheel down, but also side to side (left or right), so that's 9 programmable buttons in total, not including the left and right mouse buttons.
G502X usb receiver fits in the mouse under it. Just remove the round lock and there is a slot made for it. The mouse clicks on this mouse at first drove me nuts. They are annoying, specially the right click. I have gotten used to it now but it's still not ideal.
How abt g pro x superlight? Using it for office and gaming, gave up mx3 due to its weight
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For me important thing is having switch of computer on top of mouse not on the bottom since I click it very often
Guys whcih is better? Razer Basilisk V3 x HyperSpeed or Razer Viper V3 Hyperspeed?
Okay, so my journey so far...when I switched to Mac(Air M1) ...I just bought the Magic Keyboard(not durable at all,1 water spill = bye-bye) and the Magic Mouse(slow, bs charging, wtf is that form factor ?) ( GREAT REGRET) ...then I just bought some RII RGB Keyboard off Amazon (horrible horrible typing experience after 5 months ) and a Roccat Kone Aimo(which I adore because its actually FAST lol), but as you have pointed out there is NO SOFTWARE SUPPORT for any MAJOR gaming brand ....like wtf... I am actually considering switching to a v3pro like you and probably a roccat Vulcan 122 aimo ....but the software issue bugs me because I am not spending more than 300 bucks for un-customizable stuff... but on the other hand I have considered building a gaming PC so this actually would be useful for both ...I am torn because my favorite mouse over all was the Razer Naga 2014 ,which was the very first gaming mouse I got ^^
Logitech G604. It has 8 programmable buttons for productivity and gaming. For example, I like to map cut, copy, paste, undo, redo, and switch app windows. Additionally, I like to map the scroll wheel press to the app expose
Unfortunately discontinued
@@wedeservedit rip
Rival 500 remains king for power users & players. It's my favorite mass produced mouse of the last 20 years. Amazing for all game types, excellent for productivity, and some truly useful OOAK features like the cool down alerts and customizable 3d print name plate. Crazy to think it only cost $80 new and now you can't find them anywhere and for no less than $200 (if you can find one. ) Glad I bought 3 of them. As for these "new" mice...It's a sad "me too market" void of innovation. I still see the mx500 influence in these designs...yes a mouse from 20+ years ago for god sake. I still face palm over the pointless free scroll and now all the stupid gamer marketing terms for the scroll "feature" which has ZERO purpose on a game mouse. Oh cool, I can scroll through my weapons really fast for 2 minutes without touching the wheel again......Video editing is the only context where free scroll was truly useful for me, in which case a Logitech Triathlon / marathon mice will fit the bill. The only thing innovative I've seen from logitech in the past 20 years has been the "Logitech Options" app with gesture support...and funny enough I don't think it's event supported on their gaming mice. Demanding more out of your mouse means you're demanding more out of yourself... so until gamers actually start questioning things and challenging themselves this generic crap will continue to reign supreme.
This needs to blow up. I am some of those who thinks free scrolling are a good feature for gaming.