How Pokémon Platinum Fixed Diamond and Pearl and SAVED Sinnoh
The legendary game that everyone forgot about.
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0:00 The Legend of the Forgotten Third Game
3:39 Intro
7:34 Part 0: The Third Game Dilemma
10:15 Part 1: Fixing the Engine
14:04 Part 2: Savior Giratina
18:55 Part 3: Cyrus and the Human Spirit
23:10 Part 4: Masuda and Fucking 151
26:51 Part 5: From Unfinished to Polished
31:45 Part 6: Return of Features From Gen 3
34:33 Conclusion
That's a lot of Rick 😂
Hi
Whoa
Oh shit. That is a lot of Rick
Coming from the biggest Rick-roller
No way
Fun fact : Barry isn't impatient your main character is so slow
Very true
Barry is already in Gen 6, while the mc is in Gen 4.
Pfffhahaha that’s explains a lot. Best Pokémon logic ever!😂
Also, didn't Platinum improve his writing a bit? Could be the memory blur (Gireum was right about DP and Pt being hard to set apart) but I remember late/post game Barry feeling better in Pt than he did in DP... If only Platinum made him a good 2v2 partner...
@@kapparill hi kapparil from pokemon wiimmfi culb
The fact that HGSS had the battle frontier, WHEN NO ASKED FOR IT, is really telling how game freak used to be. What they are now, killing the Battle Frontier and post-game as a whole, it's breaks my heart.
Yea but the battle tower is huge so its not that bad besides,I really like the post game with the underground,and the crazy rematches and the battle with the level 100 shadow giratina. in my opinion even with the flaws ilca did a damn good job
@@theunknown5415 so I was talking about game freak, not the games, and I don't know what your talking about, since the games aren't even out yet.
@@KingTai64 oh sorry my bad😅 in that case yeah gamefreak has been lazy after gen 5,I apologise
@ShinyMoltres the lack of voice acting also doesn't help. It makes you sound flawlessly right, when Gamefreak is too lazy to hire voice actors. I think somebody should do a fan dub.
I mean in fairness not the greatest example cus of how easy that would be to port over. But regardless I agree with u
the ricks got me LOL platinum truly was a step up in every single way. fingers crossed the fans develop a BDSP romhack that transforms it into the experience we all deserved
@Master Wobbegong: MCU hater Medicham best ice type
It's called Pokemon banished platinum it already exists
...And they did! Twice! or no, THRICE
Luminescent Platinum!
You know what is the greatest and most underrated aspect of Platinum… Rowan roastin the ever living shit out of that poor Galactic Grunt.
@Master Wobbegong: MCU hater I don't remember Rowan being that funny.
man had it coming xD
@Master Wobbegong: MCU hater Who's JJ Abrams?
@@robertlupa8273 he played Goku in dragon ball evolution
@King Wobbegong, Sea Urchin Farmer Thank you for the explaination.
8:47. I feel so bad for the Kalos region. If Pokemon Z was a thing, it could've been one of the greatest Pokemon games ever made; Diamond/Pearl and X and Y are games so similar, it's possible that Z could've been like Platinum, in terms of quality.
I feel the same. Gen 6 got me back into the series since the release of diamond and pearl, so I think it would have been great if those games got something similar to platinum.
Completely agree bro. I love gen 6, it's my second favorite gen but i know alot of people dont like them as much and i think a Z version wouldve been well received
@@geckomoriadaimyoofwano7157 I completely agree. Even though I like BDSP, there's more point in remaking Kalos than remaking both Sinnoh and Unova, especially Unova. Their best games made those regions complete. I know it's tradition for the next generation to get the remake treatment, but I honestly feel like they should just skip Unova and go directly to Kalos. It might also have an advantage, since there's no third game for people to compare too.
@@alexkumaratunga2834 yessss!! Exactly, of all gens, Kalos is the only one without a third which is quite a shame. So much potential, the region, new pokemon and the music was great. Lysnadre and the hobo looking guy with the special floette couldve been fleshed out, not to mention Diantha. I love Diantha but she didnt do much. Oh well all we can do now is hope the remakes do it justice, id rather get a special Z version as a remake rather than the DP treatment of faithful remakes
kind of absurd to me what happened to kalos. did gf jusgt decide to cut their losses on kalos and try again in alola? I feel like kalos 2 could have been so good.
It''s still confusing as to why most of the trainers in the Canalave gym barely use any steel types as even with the limited DP dex, there wasn't a lack of steel types to choose from: Empoleon, Steelix, Bastiodon, Wormadam (Trash Cloak), Bronzong, and Lucario.
all of those mons are pretty op for that stage in the game imo
@@BananaArm steel type is op in any point lmao
Lucario was Maylene's ace and she was the 3rd gym leader
@@iuricunhamurakami8261 good point.
@@mariowalker9048 an even better point
"The Distortion World project has started!"
LMFAO
Its really sad considering it's just a room now, similar to Ultra Megalopolis
@@jab9799 At Least Ultra Megalopolis Also Had A Tower lol
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HeartGold and SoulSilver, a supposed remake of Gen 2's Gold and Silver, actually felt more like a Crystal remake from the same gen. It was literally a remake of the third game of Gen 2, because the Suicune and Eusine sidequest from Crystal was added as well as using the legendary beasts music that debut in Crystal for Entei, Raikou and Suicune battles (but with their own enhanced remix for each beast). They have never included third game content into the first ever remake which was FRLG, and has stopped adding the third game content into remakes from ORAS, and now BDSP as well. Guess this is one of the reasons why HGSS was goated as the best remakes that were ever made.
Yeah Crystal didn't do much to differentiate from GS other than adding a girl and making Suicune the boxart legendary, and being the first game to add a battle tower/post game.
Remaking the better version should be the bare minimum. I mean, come on, if you can't even match what's come before, why even bother.
@@JOCoStudio1 Point is Pokemon has always remade the base version so it's yall fault for having high expectations.
@@mariowalker9048 oh, I don't expect them to, but they have 0 valid excuses for not trying to make the best remake they can
@@mariowalker9048 so you are saying that if the restaurant serving me bad food and i complain about it. It my fault because i expect better quality food??
Can I just say that using a sound to indicate where the slight delay is was smart and really helped me see what you're talking about because I never noticed it. Another great essay with great points. Oh and that intro was complete gold and well done! The creator has some skills.
If you play on an OG Ds or ds lite The original dp lags so much. If your running through towns the frame rate drops and the game forces you to stop running and to walk slow
Once I heard the cues I was like "OH SHIT I DO REMEMBER THOSE STRANGE DELAYS" but younger me didnt have an issue with it I guess
@@omgiTzkitteh me in middle didnt have the same impatience that i do now. funny how that works lol sidenote: what if barry was so quick and impatient because he knew the battle speed was so slow
Does someone know the name of the ost used in the intro?
@@silverbowftw5225 “The Legendary Hero” from Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
It’s thanks to Platinum that we got one of the coolest locations in the series The Distortion World. It’s a shame we’ll probably never get to see it realised in proper 3D.
We get the Distortion Room instead. Not sure what that even is but its patched in replacing the current Giratina location I think.
@@M3rtyville At least we get to battle a stronger Gratina
Eventually in legends
@@sabener6255 But Legends is a side game and not part of well a Sinnoh remake...it's not even guaranteed.
@@sabener6255 Legends is a prequel, not a remake.
Did anyone noticed that Games like Platinum, Heartgold and Black and white 2 all are third versions, sequels or remakes are some of the best in the series? And it's almost like DP and BW was a test to the next version to see what worked and what didn't.
I can totally believe that and what’s unfortunate is that (hypothetically) it’s a test out of our, the consumers, pockets when they could’ve easily just gone with those revamped ideas in the first place but like this video is stating they were being straight up lazy. I’m disappointed that they straight up copied and pasted for the BDSP remake. The ORAS remake was absolutely brilliant and I was expecting that but with the switch. I wonder if the Arceus game is going to be a platinum inspired game. I was so hyped to buy BD but idk I’m worried I’ll be disappointed.. 😔
I believe xy is also some sort of beta testing and instead of launching z, they are pushed to launch sun moon on the franchise 15th anniversary so that the scrap materials were use to develop the story in anime
For whatever reason, it's not very uncommon for games to be improved and rereleased in Japan. Usually international releases are based on the improved version, or improvements are made to the international version, which is then localized back into Japanese and rereleased. Either way, we usually only see one version outside Japan. Pokemon is a big exception to that and has been since Yellow or Emerald, depending on how you look at it.
@@SnakebitSTI Pokemon first released Red and Green in Japan before releasing an enhanced Blue version which was used as the base for the NA Red and Blue release. This practice should have died when internet became widespread and games could be updated, but it was used as an excuse for day 1 patches. Half of BDSP (including the ending sequence) was from the day 1 patch so it could be shipped on smaller 4GB cartridges. Platinum content could have been a patch in the same way.
Playing Platinum and HeathGold at the same time, was some of the best days of my life...
Emerald to BW2 was a perfect run for me. DP wasn’t perfect, but GF made it up with Platinum and every other game from this era is at least an 8.
Back in the day i skipped Gen 4,5 and 6. Bought platinum, heart gold, white, black 2, Y and Omega ruby on the same day. It was a crazy month.
Dont forger fire red leaf green amazong too
I wouldn't call third versions a necessary evil. If the first games are always so rushed and incomplete that they keep needing a third game, then the obvious solution is to just take more time working on the first games so they don't need to be fixed in the first place.
this is exactly what i was thinking too lmao like if its such a consistent problem it feels less like 3rd games are required and more like these people have to rush the games at an early date and think about the actual content later
I mean, nothing is ever perfect the first time, that's where the polishing aspect comes in. DLC, at least to me, would have a lot more value if they also made retroactive changes to the base game with version updates. 3rd versions change the way the base game is set up, from improved learnsets to better availability for certain mons. The section about Prinplup having no access to good water moves until 24 was a great example.
usually the third game is a gimmick gsmr lol
I like third games because they add all the Pokemon that were exclusive to one of the versions in a single game.
@@Ulissescars this is something that i was thinking about, the duality aspect seems a little outdated due to the fact that we don't typically meet irl to play pokémon with other ppl like it was intentioned with the first games and also agree with the statement that, if you need to fix the game from the ground up with a new release, maybe do them good in the first place. And the whole thing with dual packs for buying the two full versions split full price instead of one game with everything from the very beginning seems also pretty shady
For the general consensus of the greatest Pokemon games, it's either Platinum, Heartgold and Soul Silver, or Black 2 and White 2. Basically, the best of generations 4 and 5.
And guess what? Masuda directed none of those games
@@pedromonteiro2248 Making Diamond and Pearl from scratch is definitely harder than making Platinum from just improving upon the foundation, so you're right about that. The point is, why make a remake faithful to the inferior version if Platinum is right there?(not disagreeing with you)
@@spade4acer Hey, I don't like Masuda too but he made Black/White 1 which is my first Pokemon game and is still unbeatable in terms of story so I'm thankful for that
what about emerald?
@@cow5853 Its up there too, but these games are more recent, while Emerald is like a late millennial/early Gen Z game.
Remaking Platinum would've made much more sense, but unfortunately that's not how Gamefreak works.. At least there are some really cool rom hacks like Renegade Platinum
Yeah, Renegade Platinum is quite possibly the best pokemon game
Apparently BDSP would be very modifiable being made from Unity game engine so maybe it isn't too farfetched.
@@zjzr08 Reneade BDSP would certainly be a worthy contender.
pokemon banished platinum is already way better then bdsp and it's not even finished it's only up to the 4th gym lmao
Drayano hacks are just always so fucking good. They really enhance an already good experience. Blaze black, Volt White and Renegade Platinum are by far the best ways to play those games again.
"A Meme Song starts playing in the background but it never actually starts, and theres also a pokemon battle going on meanwhile" Yes, thats what my anxiety looks like
i fuccin died xD
I have waited over 10 years to see the distortion world on the TV. It was one of the first thing to came to mind when i explored that mysterious realm....and we get like 30 squares in a single room to explore in the remake
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@@lv1543 yep that's my favorite starter pokemon
Can we talk about how fire that intro was?🔥🔥 I was busting up laughing the whole time 🤣
Yes definitely
At least there was more fire than fire pokemon in Sinnoh games :)
Yes I'm laughing. Hahahhaha like wind waker.
@@yiangaruga4928 Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaahhahahahaha, im ded LOL
Whats the name of the OST
I played D/P as a kid and remember not liking it. I then gave gen 4 another shot with Platinum and I loved it. I never really realized why until I watched this video.
Playing Brilliant Diamond rn and it pisses me off that when looking up encounters on routes, that platinum has double the amount of new encounters or more compared to D/P on its own. It didn't need to be "faithful" in that aspect whatsoever imo.
The casualty with which you said "playing bd rn" is so funny plsss
Well at least you can be one of the first to warn us of what's to come lol
I knew they gonna make you guys pay dlc praying for you’ll thankfully I found a good replacement which is MHstories 2
brilliant diamond needed a more brilliant decision.
Platinum is one of the best Pokémon games imo
Yes, Pokemon Platinum is objectively one of the best Pokemon games to this day, but you can still have the best Pokemon experience in Renegade Platinum. I don't know how Drayano managed to make such a good and complete game as Pokemon Platinum much better and even more complete than it already was. Of course it's not an original Pokemon game but a ROM hack, which is so much more worthwhile to play than platinum. And no matter whether casual or as a Nuzlocke, etc. So if you want the ultimate Pokemon experience and challenge so far, play Renegade Platinum! It would be worth it just because of the quality of live changes, but there is so much more to it! In general, Drayano Hacks are excellent as are Storm Silver and Sacret Gold but Renegade is simply THE BEST (!) Pokemon game for real Pokemon fans!
So it's like doom? Cuz you know doom 2016 was good but doom eternal made it even better.
and still, the hacks are getting better and better, one example is Pokemon GS Chronicles, which is still in beta, but it's basically Heart Gold with megas, and Radical Red, which is a "dream game" pokemon, including all the pokemons and mechanics...in a GBA
I'm still waiting for his Sacred Gold/Storm Silver V2.. But yeah I completely agree, with a bunch of new events and battles, interesting legendary trigger mechanics, combined with Drayano's clever way of overhauling wild pokemon and trainer battles made this one of the best nds rom hacks out there
I see a lot of people talking well about this rom hack, I've already added it to my backlog
@@Chadfill8348 I would rather play through a entire fanmade romhack of a Pokemon game even if I didn't like the art style or story than play sword and shield.
SPOLERS: The elite four in BDSP will have 2 rematch teams the first rematch they will have their Platinum teams. On the second rematch they will have brand new teams Aaron will have a Flygon as his final team member Bertha will have a mamoswine and Nidoking Flint will have arcanine and ninetales Lucian will have a S lombro
To bad itd they'll be absolutely cake walks cause of the EXP share and friendship affection bonuses, the fact the levels are super high doesnt even mean crap cause by the time you beat one or two of them you'll be over leveled, it's like you'd have to build a whole new team for each battle to keep it challenging
@@JBzucc apparently the exp share has been balanced, idk about friendship tho
@@JBzucc Nope, it's far from easy based on leaks. These are actual competitive teams, and exp share isn't a problem.
@@djdrizzy9139 it doesn’t matter if they are competitive By time you get to these rematches Yo Pokémon be over leveled It get actually hard, you are just a trash player
@@djdrizzy9139 I know they are competitive teams but again if you battle one by the end of the battle you'd of probably gained a few levels and the more you beat the more levels you'll gain practically makng it easier each time, even IF the levels are high and the EXP share is nerfed you'd still be facing them at similar levels and again the issue I proposed before rears it head, I don't get the hype, especially when this should literally be a given, we're getting excited for one feature while another feature gets cut yet again when both should be expected to be there
If they are faithfull to Diamond and Pearl why the fkkkk is there exp share that cannot be turned off -.-
The exp share really isn’t that bad for bdsp. You’re only gonna overlevel if you grind and you’ll definitely be underleveled by the time you get to Cynthia.
Yes only Cynthia and i will one shot everything else i dont grind at all i just beat every trainer i mean if EXP share would be balanced it would be okey but it isnt
@@Lunar254_ what if ur playing a nuzlocke. Or just in general, how do u train up a new pokemon without becoming over leveled
@@12Metatron Skip the skippable trainers and grind with only one Pokémon on the team
Only faithful when it’s easy
I think that of game freak were to develop the remakes themselves they could have less restrictions and maybe content from platinum, but they decided to give the dev to ILCA probably saying "do pokemon diamond and pearl remake" and being them a Japanese company, they just did what GF asked for without making any questions (like "can we add platinum content?") Just to be sure that they followed the instructions at 100%
I ask my manager about things im not sure about they should have asked.
@@danielpruitt8550 what a coincidence, I'm the manager. But wait a second I'll ask my manager about things you asked about asking what my manager should have asked. Sorry my fax machine isn't working so i have to wait until it's repaired... "E-mail? What's that? Sorry but we use fax, we don't use this email stuff..."
@@MrA6060 damn I just hope ILCA takes over Pokemon games and gets more opportunities. Gamefreak isn't given enough time or putting enough effort.
@@danielpruitt8550 for all we know every main series Pokemon game might be outsourced, i sure hope there will be plenty of freedom to do a good game. Tbh i preordered BP ONLY because pearl was my very first pokemon game, but i know that it might suck. My hope is that it's all a prank and we will get the platinum content. Let me dream.
@@MrA6060 I mean there are leaks out there to inform you about what's in there if you want, and if you are waiting for DLCs and such, maybe just wait buying if that comes.
I only played the Platinum version and I was a little intrigued to see the differences between this and the DP version, I will play this version when I get really bored
Another great video essay as always, keep it up! There is one thing that I wish you pointed out about the "BDSP is a DP remake, not Platinum. Why are you mad?" argument at 31:28 though. It makes me upset whenever people say this because these same people seem to forget that HeartGold and SoulSilver exists. HG/SS were mainly G/S remakes, yet they decided to also add in content from Crystal. If Johto remakes could put in Crystal content, why can't Sinnoh remakes put in Platinum content?
People defend in whatever way suits them. I mockingly got upset about the fact that they’re using giratina’s theme, which is a platinum exclusive, when it’s supposed to be a faithful remake. I just got told to stop complaining.
Same can be said for ORAS too. Minus the Battle Frontier, ORAS was also a remake of Ruby/Sapphire but they also included content from Emerald (biggest example being Delta Episode featuring Rayquaza and Deoxys)
@@InfernoFireStyle um no that wasn't in the original emerald, I'm with you on most pokemon remakes using aspects from a third game but the only emerald aspect in oras was the pokemon trainer rematches
@@nascour5991 Do they because from reading PokeNav rematches it seems ORAS had very different rematch trainers from Emerald (although had some differences with RS too).
I don’t have a lot of regrets in my life, but not getting platinum when it was cheap instead getting diamond is one of them 😣
Everyone: nothing in the world is perfect This Intro: *Exists*
I actually enjoy Barry as a rival. Him appearing out of nowhere while running is just so in character and funny that I look forward and watch out whenever there is a chance to meet him again in an unsuspectong route.
Thank gosh for this video because I was going to ask for BDSP for Christmas tempted by nostalgia but so glad this changed my mind, Platinum will always be superior
That intro was brilliant! So was the rest of the video! I remember playing Platinum back as a child for the first time and immediately realizing that never in my life I would want to go back to Diamond/Perl, and it’s for all the reasons you covered here. It is honestly mind-boggling that they, for no good reason at all, made the choice to build the remake upon the versions that are clearly worse in so many regards. And the worst thing is that we’re still all gonna buy it, because we want to experience the remakes regardless.
Nintendo have always done that.
The intro to this video is so much slower than Blissey losing HP in Diamond and Pearl 😂
On the intro: Legends Arceus looks like it's going to be the one with *effort*
So main lesson learned: Buy black/white and black 2/white 2 now before the remakes come out and the older cartridges shoot up in value
I lost my copy 😢
BW and BW2 already shot up in value though?
@@spampharosyea they’re like 100 dollars
I would have added "but many fans still bought the modern games whenever the lazy one put them out. Seems kinda hypocritical don't you think?"
Their hearts captured when young they can not resist the lure of the lazy one
Where did this come from? I'm pretty sure the people buying the games and those denouncing them are two groups.
@@anothergamer112 Theirs some overlap but most seem too go with the idea that dispite any complaints they have in general Pokemon fans will mostly buy the game day one.
There's too many new fans who don't know better, they are the ones who really fund this greed
That's why GF never changed..they know that even if they make a rushed game, people still buy it anyway..why wasting more time and effort when you still get 10+ million sell by making a rushed game?
That video pop out so randomly, and it SOO GOOD! Thanks for the time, hope you get more popular and Zelda briefing was so hilarious and true ...
The intro was clean af😩 you earned yourself a loyal subscriber looking forward to more content from you
Love ur content, i know this video is gonna be good
THE MEMES AT THE END HAHAHA
Very Amazing Review, I Just Wish that by the time Shinning Pearl and Brilliant Diamond Comes Out I Can Make a Review as Good As This One. Really Great Job!!!
I love your channel man thanks for all your hard effort and unique style!
The intro was both amazing and absolutely funny. Entire video was good! I honestly believe Platinum (followed by Gen 5 games) were at the "pinnacle" of Pokemon games, in my opinion. The others after were okay and all, but it does feel something was missing in them. In any case, this video popped up in my feed so thought to give it a watch. :)
As someone who’s never played Platinum and love Diamond and Pearl, I understand why people don’t like D/P but a lot of those reasons just don’t affect my enjoyment of them, I’d never consider them “bad”
And it’s channels like this help me gain knowledge of the era I never got to experience
My first experience with Diamond was picking up someone's savefile with infinite rare candy cheats and the player was at the Pokemon League, that's how I recalled how bland the Elite Four rooms look, but not Maylene's gym or the Team Galactic building. After that I played a Ruby romhack called "Light Platinum" which at the time reused assets from both DP and Platinum, but treated the Sinnoh campaign like the Kanto postgame in the Johto games. Soon after that, I downloaded a translated Japanese rom of Platinum, which is the one I played from start to finish. As it was before the English version was officially made/released, the translation patch used the DP script, except that the Platinum-exclusive dialogue are left blank or untranslated, so the story changes were lost on me.
So I didn't play Platinum until about two years ago, which means my love for Sinnoh came 100% from Diamond version. As for why BDSP are ignoring Platinum, as you already said in your video "money doesn't lie." While ebay auctions of Platinum might be high now, Gamefreak doesn't see that money, so to them they have Diamond and Pearl being in the top 5 best selling games of the entire series, vs Platinum in the top 5 lowest selling mainline Pokemon games. People just didn't buy Platinum back in the day, that's a fact; and then everyone who played it on emulators wonders why they never reuse their favorite features... Maybe if more people had financially supported it, Platinum would be in better graces with the businessmen that own it.
The question is why so many few buy third versions anyway, although it still doesn't make sense that if it worked in Platinum, why can't it work for BDSP, despite the so-called sales.
the worst selling main line pokemon game is crystal and that didn't stop them adding content from crystal in to heart gold and soul silver
@@Jetstreamsamdidnothingwrong Crystal had far fewer changes to Gold and Silver than Platinum did to Diamond and Pearl. For Crystal, all they had to do was add a legendary and an NPC back into the story, but for Platinum, they would have to change multiple major events. I'm not defending Gamefreak here as Platinum was an absolutely amazing game, but it make sense why they chose to keep Crystal's few features but not any that hailed from Platinum in the respective remakes.
@@spampharos Crystal also added animated sprites for each Pokemon (the first in the series) and a Battle Tower, although I'm not sure exactly about other improvements as I played Crystal a long while.
@@zjzr08 what wrong with Crystal
fun fact: ilca tried to make bdsp like legends and tried to have as many platinum content but since masuda didn't want gamefreak to get embarassed like sonic team did when mania was a success and forces was a complete disaster so they wanted them to make a faithful remake and intentionally wanted them to ignore all platinum content
Darn Masuda. People mostly like Sinnoh because of Platinum, not Diamond and Pearl.
This comment cracked me up. It's so sad man, time and time again these higher ups need to push their own vision when it's clearly not optimal. We NEED more franchises to get sonic mania'd
@@universalcerberus5863 i still don't understand why they did that
@@PsclKmn it's like whatever we want masuda makes sure that it does not happen
Fuckin source for this?
That intro was amazing! I always remembered that I'll always go back to Platinum, thank you for reminding me to not buy into the hype when I can just go back to the superior Platinum game
Platinum is the Chad of sinnoh games let's be honest It was my first intro to the sinnoh games 😌
I would love to hear your thought on pokemon z and what it could fix, it would make a great video
They should fix the difficulty in pokemon z . Wulfric and the e4 should used megas in main game and every gym leader used megas in postgame..main XY rival ( Serena or calem) should have stronger team and used megas before postgame..they should used mega kanto starter rather than absol..and for extra, I wish they give kalos starter mega evolution in Pokémon z
If Pokémon Z would come out, the Npc would’ve been 2D animated instead of a 2D image.
I never understood why gen 4 didn’t include all its new pokemon in the regional dex. Even in postgame, you wouldn’t really see them. If the desire to keep the number 151 is actually real, then add that to the long list of why i hate masuda.
This truly is a glorious review!
great video, i am really shocked that they even didn’t include the environmental improvements from platinum into the remakes like the galaxy headquarters as you mentioned. the game is an exact copy of BP but in 3D chibis, that is crazy to me, and the excuse of nostalgia is bullshit. At this point, if they just wanted to make money while doing the bare minimum they should have just release a remaster version of platinum with quality of life improvements and fairy type lol.
BDSP brought back gym leader/elite 4 rematches using their Platinum rematch teams, and a 2nd rematch team after beating those rematches. From what we know of the teams, they are harder than anything in Platinum, or anything we've seen in a Pokemon game honestly. Looking forward to getting my ass kicked.
The BDSP post game is greatly expanded compared to DPPl; it's the hardest game in the series. That's something to look forward to in BDSP!
To bad itd they'll be absolutely cake walks cause of the EXP share and friendship affection bonuses, the fact the levels are super high doesnt even mean crap cause by the time you beat one or two of them you'll be over leveled, it's like you'd have to build a whole new team for each battle to keep it challenging Only thing that could of been challenging would of been a battle fromtier but that is non existent
@@JBzucc The affection bonusses are optional, you don't have to use them. And from what read by the people who have played the game, the EXP-share has been nerfed so that you don't earn as much EXP as previous titles (still sucks that it can't be turned off but at least it shouldn't be as bad as say SwSh)
@@HMMadsen I’m pretty sure I heard affection is only optional if you don’t have your pokemon follow you. So to make it optional, you need to give up one of the biggest selling points of the game.
@@HMMadsen are you sure affection bonuses are optional cause they never were optional, we might not be thinking about about same thing
This one of the best videos that I've seen this week. Platinum is always one of the best Pokemon games. The moment that I knew that Distortion World not coming in BDSP, it straight up horrible. When I was kid, I remember that I spend many hours in solving puzzles in there and thought I will struck there forever and find it very annoying but Now, I didn't expect that I will missing it and I realize it makes Sinnoh games soulful.
Man this game, the music, story, characters, pokemom… I remember grinding away levels watching tutorial after tutorial Being on the edge of my seat during boss battles, this game truly was great
Most epic video intro of all time. To repurpose the whole wind waker intro was effing awesome.
*I usually watch pokemon instead of playing, I liked the X n Y story, about that king revenge, but I totally felt like something was missing, like Z game to focus on his story maybe with a new campaing or something, but the story as good indeed, I'm not a fan to rank all games story 'n gameplay, but I like Platinum, X n Y story only, and the other remakes, specially Alpha n Omega cuz Delta*
Out of curiosity, would you ever make a video about your experiences with the better games?
Was waiting for this one, let's gooooo
YES. Ive been legit waiting for this 🤟
Somewhat random but I will always find it funny that they put the rival who's main gimmick is that he's impatient and hasty in the games infamous for how slow they are. Almost feels intentional.
Looking forward too it, such a shame the remakes almost have none platinum content :/
Nice video!! What about Deoxys as first pokemon with multiple forms instead of Giratina?
Oh, I meant first in-game Legendary anyone can catch.
Platinum is hands down one of my favourite Pokémon games and improved on a lot Diamond & Pearl's flaws; the expanded Sinnoh Dex was a *major* improvement (you no longer had to rely on trading with friends or yourself to use Pokémon that were excluded from the previous Regional Dex.) I recently played all three games on my tablet and I forgot how *slow* DP are compared to Platinum. As limited as the Sinnoh Dex is in DP, at least Game Freak didn't pull the same crap they did in Gen III (namely FR/LG & Emerald) where the National Dex was required for obtaining Pokémon not native to the Regional Dex; that was one of the weirdest restrictions in the series.
Platinum is in the running for the best pokemon game of all time maybe only rivaled by white 2. When people say they love dp I'm genuinely baffled as they're in the running for the lamest entries. Platinum is gen 4!
I've been thinking for weeks and I came to this conclusion, I'd really like to hear your thoughts on this: I think it makes no sense to blame Masuda for XY being bad when the fault is on The Pokémon Company, and not Game Freak. They did all of those 621 3D models (plus Pokémon forms like Castform, Rotom, Deoxys, Jellicent, so more than that) and animations practically while making B2W2, which are the games with the most content so it's amazing that they could both do that and everything that went into XY. TPC should've given more time when the deadline was approaching and the game didn't have a lot of content, and the same goes to basically every game after that, especially Sword and Shield and BDSP. And I bet all of the excuses Masuda gave (like why there was no Battle Frontier in ORAS or why the few Pokémon in SwSh) are excuses he had to create to avoid saying "we didn't have time because fuck TPC caring about the money and not the quality of the games". It wouldn't make sense for a game developer like him to be happy to make games with almost no content. This is a thought I've been having for some weeks and lately I've put stuff together, basically crafting this "theory". Because I think people have been wrongly throwing hate at Masuda all these years when the true monster was TPC's director, Tsunekazu Ishihara, who is the one basically managing everything at Pokémon, deciding the deadlines, deciding the games created and everything. Masuda is the frontman, the one that has to come up with excuses like "no Battle Frontier because kids weak" or "no Pokémon because we wanted to focus on high quality animations", but I don't think he really believes that when at the same time they've been making the Battle Maison and now the Battle Tower in BDSP, which is a challenge that weak kids wouldn't be able to beat either. The more you think about it, the more it makes sense that Masuda really isn't the guy to blame here at all, if they had more time they would've added more content in XY, SWSH, etc. The only one that is weird is USUM, because they had at least one extra year to make that one compared to S/M, and they barely added stuff considering that they had basically an extra year, so that one is weird and you can probably blame Game Freak on that and not the deadline, but every other recent game definitely would've had more content if Ishihara cared about the quality and not just the money like he does now. Ishihara let the early unfinished mess copies of BDSP get out to reviewers, missing graphics, missing music, missing content, being a total mess, all so they can sell it right before Christmas. Masuda isn't a part of TPC, he doesn't control deadlines or sending stuff to reviewers, that's on TPC and when talking about a new main Pokémon game, that's definitely on Ishihara, TPC and basically Pokémon's boss. Because actually Masuda was the one implementing tons of content in the Pokémon games. He directed DP and DP do have a lot of content compared to the GBA era of games. FR/LG (which Masuda directed btw, and not his first game as director because that one was Crystal and sub-directing Gold and Silver) had the islands, great. He intentionally wanted to introduce content, and the Sevii Islands are fairly big. GBA Hoenn (he directed Ruby and Sapphire, also Black and White) really didn't have a lot of content or postgame content, even with Battle Frontier. DP introduced a lot of stuff, the Pokétch functions, the seals, redesigned contests, the whole postgame island that has the Battle Tower, the Poké Radar and many other things that were improved in Platinum. I hate Diamond and Pearl, they are slow as fuck and who would play them having Platinum? But it really was the birth of having tons of content in Pokémon games (which basically lasted only for the DS era). So even if they were slow, Masuda was the creator of the Pokémon games having tons of content. So it doesn't make sense to call Masuda lazy or the one that killed Pokémon games having content just because he directed XY and it was very empty, it still had a fair amount of stuff to do considering it was the first 3D game and they were probably busy putting everything together, like the models and animations. Just look at how ORAS (directed by Ohmori, also S/M and SwSh) turned out having so much content compared to XY, I bet the only reason why they didn't add the Battle Frontier was because they really didn't have time, hence why the Battle Maison was almost a copy-paste of the one in XY (teams and movesets do change), because they did add the whole Delta Episode and improved the story of teams Magma and Aqua. And they had to give a "reason" why it wasn't included, one that wasn't "we had no time" because that would've made the company look bad for not giving them more time to finish the game and make it better. I wonder what you feel about these thoughts, because talking seriously, it just wouldn't be right to put the fault on the wrong man when it looks like Ishihara's greediness in not extending the deadline because Christmas and New Year money is far more responsible for the garbages that SwSh and BDSP are than Masuda could possibly be. I myself enjoyed blaming Masuda because I thought that he was responsible until I started thinking about all of this a few weeks ago and how he's not Pokémon's director or anything. But yeah, it just doesn't make sense to me to blame him considering all of this.
Game Freak co-owns TPC, Game Freak theoretically could say no and it is up to Nintendo and Creatures to follow through...also Masuda is actually a Board of Director of Game Freak meaning he's technically a higher up.
@@zjzr08 Yeah everyone knows he's a higher up at Game Freak, but the company that manages everything at Pokémon is TPC. Creatures and GF own 33% of Pokémon like TPC but the company managing Pokémon is TPC, managing deadlines and everything, the only thing the other 2 do is accept stuff like when they're gonna make a new game, but they don't manage anything at Pokémon. So if they're making a game and it's incomplete, it's not like they can say "how about we don't do this" or "let's extend the deadline tpc please" and expect everything to be so easy, I bet they have asked for more time to finish BDSP because its state feels like a joke and it still was shipped to places and reviewers that, you know, need to review the game and shouldn't receive it incomplete, with the music not correctly working, graphics missing and everything else. Because if they extend the deadline then a ton of other stuff changes, and TPC would need to manage that, to extend the deadline and take care of everything else that comes with that, like calling reviewers and telling them that they're not actually going to send the game for them to review now, "we said we were gonna send it but no, we'll send it in 3 months", stuff like that would happen. And merch, and so on. It would be a challenging move, but it would help make the games better, especially because you wouldn't think they'd ship out an incomplete game... but they did because the big boss allowed it to happen.
I love Gen 7!!!!!
@@OshawottLuke The thing is theoretically IF all Game Freak, Creatures and Nintendo say no, I don't think TPC can say no. Nintendo based on some series shows they're willing to give time to their development teams like in Luigi's Mansion 3 and New Horizons (which I wish was the one not delayed, so that Pokemon can be delayed and NH could've been the 2019 holiday release, and as we see are more willing to update the games for free), although recent games like Mario 3D collection and Mario Golf Super Rush seems to contradict that. Creatures have their TCG which GF can negotiate to have new content for them while the games are made. Maybe my speculation, but I don't think Masuda and co. and sadly maybe Nintendo and others mind the products are rushed as long as the casuals are happy - and IMO it seems to be the case since the renaissance of Pokemon GO brought a lot of casual fans that won't likely care for the more in-depth elements we had that got polished in the later gens IMO.
@@zjzr08 have you ever had a job? Saying "No" to your boss is usually something you dont want to do... Im not defending Masuda, if he disagrees with them, he should quit and stand with his beliefs of a true great pkmn game.
30:53 The vs. sprites also appeared in FRLG (gen 3) when battling the Elite 4.
Honestly you said a lot of good points and now I'm worried, about the Pokemon gyms. It's just gonna be so weird... Hopefully I'll still enjoy these games
I feel like you even missed some of the delays in the DP battle, almost any time the text scrolls there’s a slight lag, and pretty much every time you press A! Idk how I made it through a full playthrough of Pearl again last year. I guess quarantine boredom was just really that bad
Pokemon D/P was released in 2006 in Japan, so the 151 was just a reminder of the 10th anniversary. But still the D/P pokedex sucks.
Just started watching the video. The intro is amazing and it's hilarious that he is using Zelda's amazing theme on an intro to a pokemon video Props to you man
Great video! When you said that DP is the worst enemy of the A button I really felt that. Diamond my first game on the DS and my A button was noticeable pressed in
Diamond and Pearl were not bad, they were good games on their own right but I agree that Platinum was a major improvement.
SO SLOW SUPER BAD PACING LIMITED DEX AND POKEMON 4 HOURS IN BETWEEN GYMS NO CHARACTER CONNECTION WITH ANYONE LACKLUSTER ENDING
D/P are Shit games the same way everyone bashed on XY for being incomplete was the SAME for D/P until Platinum came 😂
@@purpleclaws202exactly, Platinum fixed almost everything on this list
@@tomatelord8126 hardly
@@purpleclaws202 D/P are like the Platinum demos tbh
SPOILERS: Gym leaders will have new rematch team in BDSP
Based on Platinum!
@@djdrizzy9139 more less is a mix of their platinum teams with new additions like Crasher wake in platinum uses ludicolo and poliwrath for the rematch with his regular team in BDSP Wake will use a rain team 🌧.He uses politoad for set up Drizzle and will use Kingdra,Ludicolo and Huntail with swift swin. ( he only keeped Floatzol and Gyrados from his OG team
@@henriqueabreu7862 The rematch teams are insane.
True.. Like holy it is insane how strong the 2nd revanche match is.
I remember that when i were 11 and DP came out, and all my friends got DP, i resisted and waited for For the inevatable “emerald version”. Boy am i glad i did now
what annoyed me about the limited dex in DP is that so many trainers just use 3 Pokemon with the same species. There is your average pure Magikarp trainer. A Trainer with 3 Onix. A trainer with 3 Geodude. A trainer with 3 Roselia. A trainer with 3 Bidoof. There are more but I can't remember them all. Also Fire Type was manatory because of Bronzong and Bronzel everywhere so Chimchar was basically the starter to pick since it has good mixed stats and evolves early.
That's nothing compared to the wild pokemon. Medicham was in every single cave and even some routes. It was samey to the point I now dislike Medicham. Machoke is guilty too, but not to the extent of Medicham.
I remember after enjoying playing through Pearl and Diamond (I didnt buy these, these were my cousin's old games my aunt gave me) and loving it and hearing about how much better Platinum was but also going "why should I buy Platinum when I have both Pearl AND Diamond" but when I was trying to buy Unova or a mystery dungeon game at a game store neither were there but Platinum was and biting the bullet I bought it and I loved it so much omg I was shook by my enjoyment
28:50 I actually face palmed right before that clip lmaooo
LOL
Thank you for putting this much effort into a video… not many creators do now days
Love the music you use. Do you have a list of names for them? 😊
man after this video i am very upset on the fact that those fools are remaking dp instead of platinum but hey according to some leaks bdsp is made on unity and if they are true than why the heck should we purchase bdsp when can get platinum remake for free
I honestly fell off pokemon in Gen 3, but Platinum was a VERY glorious return for me. That game is pretty amazing to say the least.
Fun fact : the 0,5 second delay was brought back in Sword and Shield except it is now one whole second !
The same applies to 5th gen, the only thing, they like from BW, was the N story, most things that most love are from BW2 games. So don't expect PWT or the Studio thingy, or even badass waifu Roxie, non-linear Unova on BW remakes.
I think they'll make bw3 instead of remake..Not just 100% remastered from the original games like bdsp
The best part of BW imo was how you were forced to use a brand new set of pokemon and had to adapt to that region instead of relying on old faithfuls. Secondly would be the region itself, it looked amazing with how it would change depending on season.
No one loves the 5th gen for the Studio wtf, but for having great music, pokémon (I'm tired of pretending that it doesn't), history and characters like Bianca, Cheren, N or the Gym Leaders.
Or they could make a prequel for Unova. Legend of Acreus will be their first attempt to try a new storytelling method. Sequel like BW3 is not needed because, the story ended perfectly in BW2, the only missing was the return of the BW protagonists, but imagine seeing the dragon true form is a good trade off.
@@donnish7472 I love Pokestar Studio. I just didn't like how they made you do it in the main story.
Don’t have mixed memories of DP/Pt because I never played Pt 😭😭. You just had to be there in 06. But Deoxys had form change too? Or at least version exclusive forms which is a little different. Everything else you mention extremely valid!! I remember surfing and saving taking forever!!! But HG/SS fixed surfing, saving wouldn’t get fixed until gen 5. regardless of that people still enjoyed their time with DP
Fully agree with your list of "best" games at 5:16. Isn't it sad that they all came back to back and all on the DS? Like there hasn't been a truly good game from the franchise of my childhood since like 2012?
ORAS was pretty good, so no idea why that wasn't included. If people judged the game for what was there rather than what wasn't, I feel it would be much more highly regarded
@@spampharoswell, I also liked Alola and I pretend USUM doesn’t exist, I think it truly started with Pokémon Sword and Shield (more like Scat and Shit)
This intro is pure gold !!!
Awesome intro. Best movie ive watched this year.
I don't think DP is a bad game per say, it's got its flaws of course but those are nothing compared to the flaws of modern pokemon games. At least it's still a mostly complete game with a great region design. For its time it was also quite revolutionary for the pokemon games series. But you're absolutely right about Platinum being a vastly better game!
He has an understandable negative bias about it as he said he's very impatient, but I felt DP was a solid start for Gen 4, and may be one of the examples where DLC model could've worked for it if it was possible, although missing the improvements of Platinum story would've been missed. Ruby and Sapphire while admittedly less janky still felt a lot plainer than DP IMO. RS unable you to migrate from Gen 2, no animated sprited, day/night not a thing, not much post-game areas, and there is issues with the water routes. DP at least had moving sprites, more reliable player rematches, post-game areas, accesbility of National Dex and its Pokemon, additions of Physical/Special split, and I'd argue the story a bit. If you don't care some of this aspects though I see why it won't be your cup of tea.
@@zjzr08 Yeah I understand his point of view completely and even agree to it for the most part. However when he says DP is worse than the likes of SwSd that's where I draw the line, that's just objectively wrong by virtue of how bad SwSd is in terms of region design, difficulty, progression and so much more. Gen 4, especially DP might be a slug to play through but I'd still much rather play that than a game that holds my hand from start to finish and locks me in place only to tell a story that's arguably the worst in the series
@@yiangaruga4928 Yeah I agree too, DP has lots to bring as I said, hence why the base concept of BDSP may be much better than SwSh, even if it had no Platinum content. Still, I had much higher expectations oddly enough and thought BDSP would be where "Gen 8 actually starts" for me, but it seemed to be going a Let's Go route of "this is just a different flavor of meh".
I'm sorry but DP definitely down there as top 3 worst "first duo games" together with XY and swsh.. DP isn't really super bad,but the other duo games probably better than DP
@@WheelStart For the time though, I think DP did well. XY maybe, but I think they had some issues with how they planned the region (and if the team size is as relatively small as it is now, then it's likely they sacrificed time from the story to plan the Kalos Pokedex and NPCs), but SwSh being sold as a mainline is as horrible as it gets IMO.
All hail our lord & savior Platinum & Satan. Great review of Platinum comparing its differences to DP. While I didn't play Gen 4 when it came out but I've almost never heard anyone praise DP
That intro was absolutely amazing.
I’m playing D/P back and I’m ngl it’s a lot more fun currently than when I was a kid. I was like 10 when I played the first time. It’s nice to take a step back and slow down a bit. It gives me an even bigger excitement for platinum coming soon
plot twist they will release a pokemon platinum remake in 2022
Bad news my boy
The zelda intro is pure gold
The Ultra Scat and Ultra Vomit comment had me in tears 😭😭😭
Huge shout out to Gizmo Hey for the intro art! (Also, I know Masuda directed BW1, the opening is meant to be taken as a joke, don't take it seriously) JOIN DISCORD: discord.com/invite/YqRFCneGSZ 0:00 Wind Waker Intro 3:39 Intro 7:34 Part 0: The Third Game Dilemma 10:15 Part 1: Fixing the Engine 14:04 Part 2: Savior Giratina 18:55 Part 3: Cyrus and the Human Spirit 23:10 Part 4: Masuda and Fucking 151 26:51 Part 5: From Unfinished to Polished 31:45 Part 6: Return of Features From Gen 3 34:33 Conclusion
To be fair BW1 was a lot of gen1 pander in terms of trying to parallel it with the 151 regional dex and psuedo-reboot feeling. "Red and Blue but in 2011"
@@pedromonteiro2248 no
Gen 7 is GOOOOODDDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Your wind waker intro is enough to make me sub.
@@edwardsaldana2534 gen 6 is better
Platinum is my favorite game. I played it on emulator never got it on ds which I regret that and heartgold. I feel like it's the pokemon game that combined all the features of the older games before and it's story and travel through sinnoh was pretty nice. This coming from a person that grew up with red version.