Roundup of the top ergonomic mice on the market imo. Handsize/gripstyle will vastly influence your ergo preferences. I lowkey hate most of them but some are "very tolerable" shapes which is the best an ergo can be for me
Vaxee does use a 3395 btw* but still no 4k compatibility
0:00 Intro
0:25 Xlite V3 ES www.pulsar.gg/collections/mic...
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2:35 Deathadder v3 Pro amzn.to/4aiuwh9
amzn.to/46JrVti (wired)
4:30 Lamzu Thorn (light ergo recommendation) lamzu.com/products/lamzu-thor...
5:50 Vaxee Outset AX www.vaxee.co/en/product.php?a...
7:10 Sprime PM1 www.sprime.gg/
8:50 Pwnage Stormbreaker pwnage.com/products/stormbreaker
10:00 Conclusion
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Full reviews on the Xlite v3 ES, Sprime PM1 and outset AX coming in the next 1-2 weeks 😱Just wanted to ergopost since I have so many on my desk currently
So you mean the outset and thorn are nice for palm and you just don't palm or what did you mean fam
Are you gonna review the vgn r1 soon? $30-ish 2khz 50 g mouse
Please recommend a small-ish size ergo wireless mouse. Also link to the deskmat please.
i enjoyed listening to your hand talk
Fcking love my Lamzu Thorn Fnatic, claw grip with small hands here, i actually prefer it over the AX
Dude, your killing it with all these reviews. Nice
These are some very good mice that you have rounded up, but I was wondering if the Waizowl OGM Pro was close to making it. I got a copy and reviewed it, and I have to say the build quality is exceptional on it, and the sensor seems to be top tier preformance.
The amount of QC issues on the Stormbreaker is unreal too, between people on their discord and my own personal copy creaking and flexing on the shell and support being nonexistent for the company and saying these things are normal is another strike against Pwnage I'd say
For claw and relax claw, the Thorn and Outset is best suited to hands under 18cm
I can perfectly palm the Outset with 18.5-9cm hands so I think it should atleast be fine for 19 or below.
This is where it goes interesting because I had a dav3 pro and didn't like it, it was too bulky for me (21x11cms). I like a bit smaller mice more, but not too small. Like the Thorn is perfect for me. I play immo 3 in Val and top fragged a lot lately with the Thorn. If you know Jampii, team liquid player and #1 EU in ranked in Valorant, he is using an outset AX and he is like a very tall guy like me 191-195 cms(6ft 3 - 6ft 5), so that means he has huge hands as well and he still uses the outset ax and can freaking end up #1 in EU ranked list.
The Outset AX Wireless actually has a 3395 with a 4k dongle coming soon
What is the closest shape to the Finalmouse Classic Ergo in your opinion ? I've tried the EC2 and the Deathadder but they are way too different for my liking
Fire as always
Vaxee uses 3395 for their wireless implementations. They also mentioned releasing an update for 4K polling where it would just be an update not a whole mouse/dongle
no, u will need to buy dongle for the 4k.
Even though I have big hands I’ve been loving my thorn it really works with my particular claw grip, my only major problem is the main clicks, I really wish they just kept using the clicks from the Atlantis
the outset ax wireless does have a 3395 and they have confirmed they will release a 4k dongel for all their wireless mice sometime next year
I tried bunch of ergos and outset is the best if you have slightly larger hands. I switched to outset from ec2 and before I was using DAV3 with 4k dongle. Shape, click feel and coating are way more important than 4k. This whole 4k, ultra low weight is just a gimmick used by these companies to keep the people buying new mice.
@@cloudlight9784 but it's awkward if you have tilted grip, also same as thorn. Ec right slope is the best for tilted
Love the lamzu thorn fnatic edition for palm grip. Super comfortable.
Im looking forward to the sprime pm1 review. A lot of the lighter weight options leave a lot to be desired when it comes to their structural integrity. I hope the carbon composite, solid shell of the pm1 can prove otherwise.
So far it seems very solid structurally
This is where it goes interesting because I had a dav3 pro and didn't like it, it was too bulky for me (21x11cms). I like a bit smaller mice more, but not too small. Like the Thorn is perfect for me. I play immo 3 in Val and top fragged a lot lately with the Thorn. If you know Jampii, team liquid player and #1 EU in ranked in Valorant, he is using an outset AX and he is like a very tall guy like me 191-195 cms(6ft 3 - 6ft 5), so that means he has huge hands as well and he still uses the outset ax and can freaking end up #1 in EU ranked list.
yah my dav3 is too big i might get the xlite v3
yo what monitor do you use? also i think im going for v2pro , large hands/fingertip
What about the Cooler Master MM720? Blows my mind it's not more popular. I have large hands but the ergos for fingertip grip gaming and immaculate. Ultra light too.
Yo @boardzy does the Sprime PM1 actually weigh 45g?
2023 is insane for the mouse community this is probably the year that we all got broke because of how fast the market is moving...
I've really been trying to adjust to the wired DaV3 for about a month now but I still feel it's a little to big for my hand and grip (18x10 / relaxed claw and palm) I am going to look into the ec2 / xlite v3. I've grown fond of optical switches since they don't double click but haven't really ever heard anything bad about the switches zowie use either so not sure which route i'm going to go. Sucks that your dav3 copy developed issues, it really is a fantastic mouse if the shape works for you otherwise.
Same here. DAV3 Shape is not working for me. I was using the EC2 CW until last weekend, now I am using the Xlite V3 ES. The hump is a little bit different to the EC2 CW. But the Xlite clicks for me.
@@Dudepunzel thanks! i think i'm going to go for the xlite :)
thanks for this, im an ergo user excited for the outset ax review
I have a question for this community, I want my mouse buttons to be lower near the mousepad, is there any good modern mice that has lower buttons than per say a GPW, my thumb touches the pad while I aim, i want the top of it to be touching the buttons to where I have to make minimal movements to press them. if not how realistic is creating some sort of adjustment
Boardzy, recently I bought a zowie ec2cw for 150 aud which is like 90 US dollar, would this be the solid option for me since I love the shape and I really love zowie products
Been using the dav3 for ages and my copy also has tons of flex. I have a thorn on the way but its being shipped from maxgaming in Europe so I still don't have it. I use a relaxed claw/palm hybrid type of grip so hoping its not too small for me.
How’d it go?
so far its great. i like how it fills out the right side of my hand more while being shorter with less weight@@rsmit11
"Does not work for fingertip, so obviously not the point of an ergo video"...this part killed me since I finger tip my dav3 😂
loving my wired Outset AX to death. This is the most comfortable mouse I ever had and to whichever mouse I changed, I always came back to it. So of course, a lot of people actually like and use this mouse wired.
I have a wired version of this in my closet. Used it a few years back. Paracorded with tiger ice skates. Really nice mouse.
Hey buddy can i ask your hand size and grip style? I need an ergo mouse for cs2 which i can relaxed palm, and if needed claw gripping. My hands are 18.5x10 and i tend to like smaller, more nimble mice.
@@quinoxzgdzlla499 Hey another lucky dude with medium sized hands here (18x10, relax claw) If you want an ergo for claw grip, look at the Vaxee Outset AX Wireless or the Lamzu Thorn. With these mice your palm will have a better contact with the back of the mice but these mice are medium sized. So maybe you also look for an asymetrical mice if you like ergo but want a smaller mice, the Vaxee NP-01s Wireless might be what you are looking for :) Or you can buy a small ergo with less palm support at the back like the majority of ergo on the market (Zowie EC3-CW or Pulsar Xlite V3 small) but for claw the majority of people (including me) prefer a mice with a better palm support so... maybe not the best choice. There is not many ergo / asym on the market so the choice is yours (and it's not too complicated to choose compared to a symetrical mice, ngl).
is there a huge difference between the Deathadder v3 pro and the faker edition? I used to love the first Deathadder and I want to get back to it
Boardzy fucking around with Ergo mice Again lesh goo!
sadly
What do you think about dot skates, are they any good?
Im looking to find a replacement for my g305. Hopefully an ergo cheap mouse what are your recommendations
Lamzu thorn✖️fnatics is incredible
which mouse do you recomend for me? I like Glorious model D shape
ive been using the g703 since it came out, is there anything similar that would be an upgrade? i tried the deathadder v3 and some other random ergos and none came close to the shape of the g703
are you reviewing the xraypad jade dot skates?
THE GOATZY
What mouse pad is that? Is that a glass one?
Hey @boardzy what kind of mousepad is that in this video
Deathadder V3 Pro x Vaxee outset ax? which one wins?
hay guys ive mained the g403 since it ever came out. throughout the years its changed slightly and now the latest one i have (g403 hero v2 with plastic cord) has stiffer clicks than its predecessors. the shape is great for me but i really miss the really light snappy clicks. how do the clicks compare on these ergo's and which is the lightest of em all and closest shape to the g403 if thats what im used to?
My main currently is still the Deathadder V3 Pro and i really love it since day one, but i wanna try out some other ergo mice too. Really interested in the Xlite V3 (both ver) and Lamzu Thorn, does these 2 have a similar shape to the DAv3 Pro? On EloShapes the Thorn looks quite small, and the Xlite is very close to the DAv3 Pro, so im leaning towards the Xlite.
Xlite v3 large, Glorious Model D 2 Pro close
Don't buy any new ones, you have the best one already, trust me. I have other ergos. Only one that is worth a look is the outset AX. Other than that the DAV3 is all u need. Don't waste money.
@@danlesak00 damn straight to the point, thanks! I just wanna see what's the hype around those mice about, but yeah the price is not that cheap either. i just used that money to upgrade my monitor from 24" 1080p 144hz to a 27" 1440p 170hz, and im happy with my purchase
@@danlesak00Do you mean together with the QC issues or without the QC issues, I went through 3 copies of the deathadder and all of them had creaking so I gave up on them.
@@Nathan-cx1ks That's why i rec' the only brands that make quality mice, which are zowie and vaxee or endgame gear atm. You will get that with every mouse eventually that is "light-weight". IDK why a lot of ppl count out those brands for their weight. Vaxee especially, they're getting the high polling rate dongle out soon, so the only complaint you could have for them is the weight. But that weight comes with immense quality. I have had numerous QC issues with Razer and Logitech, yet people still buy those for the most part. Don't even get started with the QC issues on all the other mice, and they have shit warranties. At least logi and razer have good customer service.
Darmoshark m3s (40$) or dareu a950 pro plastic with 4k (53$), dragonfly f1 pro 4k (73$). Which one should get and the prices are from my country? specifically use claw grip. Also we get quite a few sales for mouse so the dragonfly might drop to 60$ next year.
m3 is insane for its price, the only sh*tty thing about it is the software (as if goes for all Chinese mice) which I don't even use that much since it has DPI and Polling Rate buttons on the botton. Dragonfly also looks very promising but for claw i'd go for the darmoshark
There is a new Vgn mouse called the R1 that is a different shape, but seems to be better value and lower weight
what is that pad tho it has me feeling more shocked than the mice
What I'd love to see is an Ambidextrous Top 5 or 10. Specifically mice that are better or compete with Logitech GPX Superlight. I'm tired of wasting my $$$ buying small & ergo mice.
just get a gpx
@@singleyfps .. I already have three copies of the Logitech GPX all with different skates, switches and encoders. Everyone's always looking for the next best thing...
@@singleyfpsgpx feels like a childrens toy. I literally use it at my work desk because its so unusable for me for gaming
@@Scoutinggyeah we real men use something else
@@Scoutingg as all ambi mouses they're for midgets
any chance you will try out the keychron m4? 69 bucks with 4k hz dongle
what is your hand size boardzy?
What pad is that, king?
i love the thorn for claw wdym, i have medium/large hands. Maybe beacuse my unusual bone structure or something, i dunno.
Will you make one for ambi?
Any words on the La Onda Glaze? :D
Was literally looking for the exact title of this video. Thanks Boardzy
what dot stakes do you use on the normal xlite v3
should i buy the wireless apex pro mini if it’s the same price as the wired for me?
I mean no reason not to. But I never use keyboards wirelessly, especially not for gaming
any budget ergo mouse option?
Which one is similar to the mm730?
I scored a new Xlite V2 Wireless for $10. Ain't ever going to best that deal again.
stark digga! will send you my mouse in March / April :)
What about the Np-01?
What mouse pad is that?
When will u review helios 2 pro :(
if they ever make a pm1 large its over
Best ergo for small hands?
I have all the DeathAdders and the DeathAdder V3 Pro is not what I would deem as per se "DeathAdder" mouse. It just doesn't feel right compared to the others. I would much prefer a
Which one do you recommend for hands 22x11 with palm/relax claw?
Ec 1 cw.my main
1 have been trying to find another great gaming mouse(or mouse for gaming) i used Rapoo MT550 (when it works n dont break its a great size). But The Rapoo MT550 i have bought is hard to 1st of all get a 100% working one from stores(either the rubber have peeled of within a few months to a couple of weeks+Scroll button on it have been less then working perfect on 2 of 4(mayby 5)so why is it a problem w that brand or is it just me) Bought a logitech G305 that everybody recomended for a budget mouse(but problem is i get cramps n stiff fingers and im have reuhmatism unfortunatly since i was a teenager(so less then fun infront of pc gaming more then 1 hour w new mouse) If anybody have a good brand n cordless ergonomic mouse that is the same size as the Rapoo MT550 (it needs 5buttons+dpi button ofcourse for different settings) All help would be great for me.... Thanks 4 video
Are there any extra large gaming mice? Things like the DA are maybe a mm or two bigger than other ones. If my hand is 6 cm bigger than the average hand 3 mm doesn’t really help me much. Mx 518 was the only mouse my hand ever felt even somewhat comfortable with. Nothing from Logi, Razer, even comes close to a truly XL mouse. Please help me. My hand is hurting so bad.
Just play claw or fingertip grip?
Well the dav3 is 3mm shorter and 5mm thinner compared to the MX518 so you're still dealing with millimeters. Zowie FK1+ is huge but low profile. Just learn to fingertip and your problem is solved
Corsair ironclaw is a tank
@@stonedstone I do already. Anyone with a moderately large hand pretty much has to.
@@boardzy appreciate the feedback. What I found so much nicer with mx is that the right click button is so much higher up than the DA right button. My hand is too large for my middle finger to be that low to the table. Max size to max size Mx518 isn’t that much larger than DA. But average sizes across the whole spectrum is much larger. Even then that was the bare minimum to be acceptable. I’m considering some of the mouse mods from ntech you did a review about on Halloween. Maybe with some 3d printing I can get something more accommodating. I finger tip grip already. My hand is very large but it’s not anything absurd. I’m surprised more people don’t run into this problem. I can palm a basketball 0 problems.
i bought a razer Deathadder v3 Pro with the dongle for 8000hz ,the ergonomics is really perfect for my hand I am very satisfied ,but I'll definitely try other mice too, i want to try lamzu,Vaxee and finalmouse ultralight(hoping it comes back because is sold out )
Hey, can a brother ask what anime you got ur icon from?
@@hohaiphong6225 hi the character is Rory Mercury from the anime GATE Jieitai Kanochi nite, Kaku Tatakaeri is my favorite female character from that anime
@@babajaga_666 first off, tks a whole damn lot for replying dude!! Real classy of ya :)) And I’ll def check gate out too!
@@hohaiphong6225 thx it’s always nice to find someone passionate about anime.that anime is nice and i have also the manga
I got my cm mm731 for $15, and I don't think lightweight wireless gaming mouse should costs more than $25, it's just plastics and metal.
now the medium xlite v3 is 55gram so i will buy it then because 116mm on the mini version is too short for my ;-;
My Pwnage Stormbreaker has an issue where the scrollwheel will counterscroll in the opposite direction. I got a replacement and the same problem developed 4-6 months later. Anyone else have this issue?
Why can’t we just get an exact clone of the g703? Like why give me this tiny 703 ?
i have small hands but i prefer ergo mice i use the g 303 se and i believe it’s considered ergo
Mice collection showcase?
It's crazy how u know exactly what kinda mouse I want at the moment, every damn time I have been looking for a mouse, u posted a video.🔥
*Watches this video using a g703 lightspeed and Zowie Ec2-cw*
My razer Deathadder V3 pro not only creaks but has their infamous scroll wheel issue that I also had on the viper v2 pro. That being said I’m never buying razer mice again
I feel EC2.5 would be the perfect ergonomic shape for most
Look at the dimensions of the ec3, it is actually wider than an ec2, it is just slightly shorter. I prefer it to the ec2 size and i have larger hands. The ec3 is pretty much a ec2.5.
I spend way too much time looking at mouse related content compared to the number of mice I own. Deathadder 2013 wired - > Viper ultimate -> Superlight 1 -> ????? I think I'm gonna go for a bang for buck ergo next
don't fall into the rabbit hole I have 30+ mice now
Kind of wish you talked more about the regular Xlite V3.
Yes, especially compared to the v2
Full review of both versions tomorrow don’t worry
oh hell yeah@@boardzy
Boardzy what's your hand size?
20.5x11
budget mouse tier list
@boardzy can you do a review of the new Attack Shark R1, basically a DAV3 Pro but would like to know if quality is up to spec
Someone, anyone, help. I've been on the Orochi for a while. I've figured out that I'm best suited with a smaller mouse like that. I want to upgrade to something with newer specs. But I don't wanna have to spend $150 to do it. Any recommendations?
Kysona m600 Very decent mouse Wireless 3395 sensor Roughly 55-60 grams Download the software, make some adjustments And ur golden!! I paid $40 on Amazon.. But I will be honest, it’s not on par to my deathadder v3 pro… but it’s a fantastic choice if you’re on a budget!!
Zaopin z1
Lamzu atlantis mini.
@@SammyCaps i have the atlantis mini and its great but the z1 pro is more like an orochi. And it’s half the price
@@MIKEx2112Saw your comment, did some looking and it's got a $10 coupon still on Amazon. $35, what the heck, I'm giving it a try. Thanks for the thoughts.
you got some swammmpy hands dude 😂 leaking oil
I thought the Vaxee used the 3395 not the 3370
It is 100% using the 3395 sensor, Vaxee also announced they're working on 4khz wireless polling for their 3395 sensor mice as well. Boardzy was mistaken.
hi boardzy
pls review the zowie wireless lineup full series
What is available that I havent reviewed?
Lamzu thorn arguably the best mouse of the year especially after the sale the price it self doesn't represent the mouse quality
I agree, tried most of them (except the Sprime PM1, never heard of it) and hands down, I went maining from a dav3 pro to a Thorn Fnatic LE and I freaking love it!!! Edit: I have even bigger hands than Boardzy, (21x11cms) and unlike Boardzy says "I don't know if they actually have it and they are using it or not" I'm immortal 3 in Valorant and have been top fragging a lot lately with the Thorn. So, yeah... I think he has some weird hands :D
same here i went from dav3 pro to lamzu thorn @@Version-ru1mj
Thorn's clicks are trash, they need to make thorn 2 with omron opticals and less pre/post travel.
@@Azrael32the post travrl and pre travel is fixed with the fnatic version, and for the click i think it needs a little bit of improvement on the placing cus the clicks are snappy and light imo
@@im.deh11 you keep telling yourself that, lamzu's clicks are tactical but not spammable. You should try a mouse with omron opticals like the sora 4k and you will know the difference.
But the best mouse is Razer Basilisk V3 Pro and its not even mentioned. What kind of video is that? I've tried them all but returned to Basilisk as my main because its the best ergonomic mouse today. It's optical, 8K and great mouse for all kind of games.
You dont play fps which is fine but not what I review mice for
@@boardzy I play FPS particularly. But not the competitive one. I found Basilisk to be a great mouse for FPS. I was using Logitech Superlight 2 before as my mainly but it was uncomfortable as hell. Well the weight is something we can discuss a lot but light mouse is not easy to control.
I wish logitech would stop playing around and finally make a 703 Superlight
What’s the best claw grip mice in ur opinion? My hand: Length-18cm and width-10cm. I also have skinny hand.
Would love to see an xlite review. I'm on the Xlite wireless V1 and wanted the deathadder v3 pro but it's too expensive. If the xlite v3 is good I'll probably just get it.
Dropping tomorrow or wednesday
Do you live near a landfill?
looking forward to the top fingertip grip mice video
My Razer DAV3 PRO Faker edition is also creacking like crazy...
Im gonna rma my unit, no reason not to
@@boardzy If it was easy to RMA it, then maybe i would of done. Seems to be too much of an hassle and waiting to get a new one. I currently have 2 x DAV3 PROs and both have creacking (white edt and faker edt). Time to try something new i guess
Can you do symmetrical mice next for us disgusting left handed users
Damn, that La Onda Glaze looks gorgeous. Can't wait for the review. Anyone know how is the La Onda Glaze compared to the wrait esports v2 control ? I need to find a hard pad similar in feel and speed to the wraith but without LOD issues. I already have 2 glass pad, wraith control japan ed and superglide polarity, but i prefer the wraith a lot in term of feel, noise and speed with obsidian and obisidan pro skates (also i can't for the TJ exclusive CeraSkate release). The only issue is the LOD on some mice, some work fine at 1 mm, other need to be at 2mm and other stop moving while moving / skip pixels or don't work at all because of a software that doesn't work properly (hey razer synapse, can i have my DAv3 wired working on my fav pad, please ? NOPE). I don't know what to try next, between the Glaze and the KIN :S
sorry man i never had a wraith when i was developing the glaze. but for the future i try to get one!
Sorry but one question - i have just bought wraith esports japan edition control - do you think that it can be „controlled glasspad”? Looking for the slowest glasspad. Also - please dont buy kin, i did it 2 months ago after i saw all these problems on reddit cus they said its fixed. ITS NOT ITS TERRIBLE AND SCRATCHY AF even with new obsidian dots, tried it with all my 3 mice, terrible pad after 3 weeks of using it. Support cant even reply 😵💫
@@Adixu Damn i'm disappointed to hear that about the KIN, it was the V2 ? with the updated coating (when they added metal) cuz yeah i saw a few people on reddit who had problems with the coating of the v1 and i was hoping that the v2 has no problems (the white KIN look so damn good). It's strange that the support doesn't respond :S, i thought they had a good reputation. I don't know if the wraith can be considered like a control pad, i just have the superglide and an esports tiger blaze to compare and the wraith feels slower than my blaze (which is a really fast pad made of cordura) so i can't help you but i think it's a pretty fast mousepad anyway and without the feeling that you get with pad like superglide or skypad (really low static and dynamic friction like your mouse is almost floating over the surface). Also: according to stubbyfps it's like a saturn pro but made of glass. I hope you will like it (and without LOD issues on some mices :S). Damn, now i really want to purchase a Glaze... maybe the pad we've been waiting for :) (less than 100 euros for me with delivery in 500 x 417 mm and a great design, i think it won't be long before i decide to purchase it xD).
@@markwelle5636 Well idk if you are the real one but Thanks ;) if that the case (alt account ?)
@@lltalionll yes, it was updated coating version… was disappointed too as i was hyped a lot for this pad At this point glaze would be much better i think
think you are wrong on the pwnage and just a pulsar shill since the collab, just being real....
the only readily available mice out of the entire list is the DAv3 pro and model d 2 pro which is sad. youd think at some point these smaller companies would wise up and plug a distribution deal so you can actually buy shit. Even lamzu bypasses every single FCC law gives zero fucks and spam ships to amazon warehouses to get into the game
Im thinking on buying a new mice, but its been quite hard to choose the best one. There are ALOT of choices and so many things to notice before buying one, like the type of grip (mine is palm, but i could later change so I dont rlly want a mice specifically for that), and all the other specs look the same in every mouse. I also only used the deathadder essential and the deathadder v2 ._. so Im no pro or cultureds in this xD. The most "premium" choices like the viper mini signature edition and the finalmouse ultralightX are also the most expensive ones and hard to get, and their build quality makes me wonder if they are that good and confortable to use... I might consider buy a more expensive mouse like those, but in the mean time Im also looking for the best (max 150$) mice you can get