2nd Best Army in Ukraine? | Evolution of Tank Tactics in Ukraine
2024 ж. 30 Сәу.
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Join us as Chris Copson provides a comprehensive analysis of the military tactics used in the conflict between Ukraine and Russia, and how those tactics have evolved over the course of the past year.
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00:00 | Intro
01:24 | Ukraine
06:03 | T-72
09:34 | BMP-1
14:07 | Tactics
20:49 | Summary
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its good
its great.
Airborne assault on hostomel actually succeeded thats my pet peeve with 1st minute of the video. When Russian main force arrived the VDV was still there still holding tge airport
Pure NATO propaganda 😂😂😂
@@phunkracy100% total success the VDV took and held that airport
I cant get over how the term "cope cage" has basically become the official designation for these constructs.
You could see his hesitation and the use of the qualifer ''colloquially'' because of that haha.
its not, its just internet addicts
I mean there really isn't another good name out there for them.
It is hilarious watching these knowledgeable, dignified gentleman like him and the Chieftain discuss it.
Theyre trying to cope with the fact that the top down munitions are making their armor void and trying to deal with it. Unfortunately, most top down munitions are tandem and can still get through that space. Kinda funny that reddit has managed to name that though.
i love tanks
Me too :D
same
Same
tanks loves you too bro
Yes
9:10 - "we've recently seen some T-72s in Ukraine fitted with what's colloquially been called cope cages" I just love how cope cage has become accepted terminology.
It's not, it's just kids with no military knowledge using it.
@@alexanderbarkman7832 So be a profie, name it correctly
@@Squee.1366 Slat roof armour.
Slat armor, dry water, sour sugar... Cool!
@@Squee.1366 Se my first comment.
Hello, I'm from Irpin, Ukraine. thanks for the great analytics👍
Say hi to your friends and family.
@@user-bg1xx6ik7q Iripin is a city near Kyiv. The Russians were expelled from there in April 2022.
No surprise that Chris Copson's videos do so well. He can clearly and concisely explain a complex subject to a non specialist audience. Many thanks.
I think you mean many Tanks
@@maccarr9923 bravo!
and how do you verify any statements made? when almost everything we are told about what happens there is propaganda, and about as valid as a 3 dollar bill, how do you know any of this has any connection to reality whatsoever?
Absolutely! Couldn't agree more!
He is just telling what his audience like to hear. Just like any other entertainer. If he told you inconvenient truth, you'd unsubscribe, downvote and complain to youtube. And his channel will be cancelled out, just like any other inconvenient opinions in the west.
Chris is a good story teller and really good at explaining things. Very pleasant to listen to!
That's true I just wanted to take a look but I can't stop it until it stops!))))
Once upon a time 😅
Yes. Very good propagandist very good at steering clear of certain undeniably authentic docs that show the ultimate opposite of his ultimate purpose.
He's good to listen to. Its just too bad his numbers are fictional
He is a good “story teller” alright. Except his stories aren’t true. The Russians are killing Ukrainians at a rate of 10-1 and the Ukrainians have taken somewhere in the realm of 2 million total casualties. The American Joint Chiefs of Staff document says that 176,000 Ukrainians have been killed and they are taking 10-1 the deaths of the Russians and that they have 6 non fatal casualties for every dead.
When I was a junior officer, we never had military instructors this good. This was very insightful. I learned a lot. Thank you.
are you joking
@@kaalisurfer600 No
Its good to see that a museum is making itself relevant to modern events. The staff must have been a little surprised to find some of its exhibits running around a current day battlefields.
Chris is doing a great job on these 'chats'.
Who is Chris?
@@noahway13 the guy in the video talking
@@joshmerchant8737 😂😂
@@noahway13 The cameraman
Not all great presenters wear beards.
This is the first video I see from this channel and I have to say I am impressed. This is the gold standard I want from documentaries and similar shows. The production quality is great across the board, the story is interesting and good to follow, the visuals are a great benefit and it has no bloat or nonsense.
They have a pretty big catalogue of videos for you to enjoy!
this is what you get when you have a presenter that both does the research and the talk... this is why i watch youtube and not tv
100% AGREED
A low-quality study based on NAFO misinformation. But he could have analyzed what is available to a tank museum. For example, conclude that Soviet 9M117 "Bastion" missiles fired from T-55, T-62 or BMP-3 can hit even the latest Western tanks, including M1A2 Abrams, from ranges twice as long as their range, which means they remain out of range. One such missile may not destroy an Abrams and will be neutralized by active or explosive armor, but a second, third... a tenth is unlikely. Therefore, thousands of such missiles and their newer modifications are eagerly waiting for the Abrams to practice shooting at it.
@@DartXL you are dented
I'm sure I've said it before but I'm going to say it again; I very much enjoy Mr Copson's presentations. Clear and concise, technical yet easily approachable, delivered in a confident and natural manner that indicates a high level of familiarity with the subject matter. Excellent stuff.
Absolutely phenomenal content, writing, production, and Chris has been an inspired edition to the presenting team. I've visited the Tank museum many times, and this year my friend from Canada is visiting and asked if I could take him to the museum as he enjoys the video content so much. Keep up the good work.
As usual, Mr. Copson knocks it out of the park with his narration! What brilliant choice as a presenter.
Nice balance of focus on tactics and vehicles. I'm sure there would be equal interest in a similar video about the Ukrainian military and their changing tactics and vehicles over the past year. It could also provide an opportunity to link to some of your older videos on American, British and other NATO equipment currently being used by Ukraine.
nice try putin
I absolutely love the mention of cope cages. Great video!
Yeah I had to have a laugh at that haha
Another EXCELLENT video. The explanations of modern warfare--tactics, equipment, etc., were clear, and, as far as I can tell, factual. Keep up the good work!
Excellent as always, and the production value, which was very good, is getting even better.
That was excellent, I hope there are more updates like this as the war progresses.
That was another superbly informative and well reasoned video from the Tank Museum. The quality of your videos is superb, as are your presenters.
This guy did a really really good job, please make this a series for this war
I feel very guilty and sad to find this so interesting when so many are dying. But it is truly fascinating 🧐
Yeah, especially when this all could have been avoided if someone would have listened to Putin's many warnings.
@@ChevySS1968 Yeah, that worked out well for him didnt it? Now Putin is in a war he cannot hope to win and his land border with NATO has over doubled lol
@@ChevySS1968 Sod off vatnik.
@@ChevySS1968 If only we had appeased Putler.
@@ChevySS1968 Сколько рублей вам платят за то, что вы говорите эту чушь?
Thank you for your video, I appreciate your knowledge and considerable effort. Very well done, and I look forward to all of your products.
Enjoyed this! Hope theTank Museum can produce more like this!
Great presentation, really hit the mark. Chris is an excellent addition to the tank museum. I hope to see more content of this sort in the future.
Are all the comments here bots?
Very nice evaluation of the last year. But I'd like to see the same thing done for the Ukrainian side, and we can then have a "Compare and Contrast" situation. Thanks again.
The Ukrainian general staff wishes to keep their lessons learned in offensive operations close to the vest so far. They've shared some of the lessons learned in the defense with observers from RUSI, but they haven't wanted to share their experiences with offensive operations yet - at least in a non-classified setting.
Forgive my simplistic answer, but I would say that the main difference is that Ukrainian tanks and troops are on the side of good, whereas those of RuSSia are inarguably on the side of evil! 🙂
There is no "Ukrainian side". There is a US side. The Nazis are working for them.
@@user-bg1xx6ik7q What country are you in, if it's not a secret?
@@user-bg1xx6ik7q Russia?
incredible production value on this video! I especially appreciate the good audio.
I just came across this channel. Absolutely amazing content. Very well done!
The videos have always been outstanding, but somehow you’ve managed to turn it up another notch
Thanks for another riveting video. I'm happy to say I'll be driving 330 miles down to Bovington in September specifically to visit the tank museum.
That is solid research and delivery, just like with the episode on an RPG.(speaking as military RPG instructor) You, Sir, are becoming my favourite presenter on the Tank Museum YT channel.
The RPG video wasn’t pure anti Russian propaganda. This one is.
@@JeanLucCaptain yup, they’ve no shame.
@@JeanLucCaptain If this is propaganda, why are the russian forces doing so badly?
@@sirhayden5516 propaganda isn’t necessarily false. To be effective, it should be true.
@@sirhayden5516even if tanks are, the armed forces are doing well, tanks are a busted flush with atgm weapons, just as western tanks will be. This isnt a case of one piece of technology here, one there and VICTORY, its a complete shift
Exceellent video , Chris is really getting into his stride ....great work and keep it up !
Hearing such a professional use the term "cope cage" made me laugh. Its both funny, charming and a kind of recognision.
If those are Cope cages, then slat armour is cope armour
Great balanced summary. I think your questions at the end apply equally to both parties.
Excellent video. Very nuanced analysis, illustrated on the museum's exhibits themselves. Well done.
Amazingly explained and very informative topic. Thank you for making this film!
Thanks Chris, a clear concise and informative non-partisan factual assessment of the conflict so far. I would like to see more of this as the war progresses.
Yep I love listening to these. Informative and with a wealth of experience!
Thank you. I like Chris' analysis. Very good. Lots of great examples.
Excellent analysis and presentation. Best I've seen on KZhead!
Just to clarify in 12.47min u need to take out that piece with 2 holes and put it around your ak47 or kmpk(polish/rusian heavy machine gun ) so your barrel is outside vehicle and that works quite well I know I was in polish army In 99-00 and we use those bmp these can do 70km-h on tank roads 😀
What's it like to ride inside one? Like on an actual exercise if you ever got to be on one.
@@edward9674 loud bouncy like hell hard to get in and out back door are heavy some times they fill them with sand for extra protection it was a fun to ride I'm my 20s but now no thanks
Ok if you have a screw driver, and can get it none before your hit
i believe 1st major conflict in Europe after 1945 was the Yugoslavia in 90s.
They conviently forget that
Yeah but these are no white people, so that doesn't count. That's also why we are much more concerned about Ukraine rather then Syria.
oh yes let's split hairs... okay i will use wikipedia for this: 1944-1956 Guerrilla war in the Baltic states 1945-1949 Greek Civil War 1946-1948 Corfu Channel incident 1947-1962 Romanian anti-communist resistance movement 1953 Uprising in East Germany .....zzzz.....zzzz..... i imagine they are all pretty "major" for those involved....keyboard warriors ready!... myself i'm gonna go for the 1st cod war
@@DarkShroom you should use wiki to understand the difference between a civil war or a tried coup d'etat and a war between two nations. And Yugoslavia went on for many years and featured organized genocides. So I guess mentioning this is not splitting hairs...
Armoured conflict. Yugoslavia was mostly asymmetric warfare.
Nice clear explanation of the war so far. Well thought out and spot on.
@Влад Осенін yeah sure
Mr. Copson excellent presentation. Your cadence, voice quality is most pleasing and overall you made the video very enjoyable. Many thanks to the T.M. for this video. Cheers!
amazing work as always, thank you very much!
Being a Russo-Ukrainian, I cannot tell you how thankful I am, and grateful, that you kept this analysis apolitical. Most Westerners are not prepared to accept the frames of reference that us Slavs live within, thus fail in their analyses to do their own intelligence any form of justice whilst insulting the vast majority of us. The diligence and thoughtfulness shown on this channel is what makes Western sources, and indeed any source that follows such a methodology, as great as they are, for there are many Western sources that revile the idea of not making their own ill-informed political opinions known to all. Phenomenal work Mr. Copson. Excellent pronunciation of Russian as well, top class for someone who does not speak the language.
someone once said intelligence isn't making yourself sound smart it's making smart things sound dumb, something to that effect Case and point: You could have been clearer
"Western sources" have been supporting Ukrainian nazis since 2013 in their pursuit to "cleanse the east" of their own fellow Russian speaking Ukrainians, so that Ukraine can be transgendered, just like the US.
Russo is not Russian. Russo is from Ukraine not russia. Pretty clear history.
Did you even watch the same video I did? This entire thing is Russia bad HURRR while clearly trying to downplay just how bad things currently are for Ukraine especially after losing Bakhmut which is ABSOLUTELY a vital city and logistics hub despite what Zelensky said.
@@JeanLucCaptain nice to see the apologists out and about. What's it like shilling for a literal fascist state?
Your evaluation of the War in the Ukraine is insightful and gives more information of what each side is facing in equipment and tactics. I feel we need to concentrate on both the human and material costs! No one talks about the medical services to the wounded combatants and civilians. Every time a tank is destroyed three or more are killed is never spoken of just the fireworks display!
Mr. Copson explains the pertinent issues so well and so clearly. Good video.
Wow a wonderfully put together video loved it !
That 22 minutes just flew by. Very fascinating video
Thank you Chris for this excellent video.
Knowledgeable, insightful analysis as is always expected from The Tank Museum.
really enjoyed that - well laid out and communicated
Fact based, fascinating overview of the first year of this conflict. Mr Copson has a patient delivery and calm demeanour . Great combination, great talk. Well done all at the wonderful Tank Museum. ATVB2 all Scott Somerset
Fact based on Ukrainian propaganda?😂
@@themuckler8176 hilarious.. Because would never lie to its people
Fact base even though the first fact he stated was wrong? First major armed conflict in Europe? 1999? Ukraine civil war?
@@testingmysoup5678 Maybe he considers that a minor conflict? Or he meant war between 2 countries? Cant serve off the full vid based on him meaning sth else than you.
@@srvaughan2502 20 countries bombing another country to dust isn't a minor conflict, his willingness to say that just shows his willingness for other leaps of imagination
The Tank Museum went from top five, to relevant documentaries. Impressive content from a museum and fascinating to watch if you like tanks.
An actually competent and informative flow of information with no to minimal political baggage and no taking sides! Incredibly high standard these days! Awesome
You just didn't notice it was very biased.
@@user-bg1xx6ik7q Sure bud, you believing those numbers without a second thought just proves you're honestly not very intelligent. :) "Not biased" whilst all this does is paint Ukraine, who are losing quite badly in a positive light whilst doing quite the opposite for Russia. Not to mention that Ukraine are quite uh.. fond of their Nazis, not something I want to support, idk about you. :)
Another incredible video by mr Copson, I could watch an entire documentary on this topic.
Clear, concise and engaging. Thank you
The narrator saying "cope cages" caught me off-guard and was very enjoyable. Like hearing Leonard Nimoy say "get good scrub."
An excellent production with concise and enlightening analysis and content.
Please keep these videos coming, as an old M60A1 MBT Crewman 3rd Armor Division Frieburg Germany just love these videos. 1977-79
It's hard to wrap your head around just how much smaller T-72 is, until you see a picture of one next to a "Challenger" or "Abrams". It almost looks like tanks of Western designs can kill T-72 tanks simply by driving over them and crushing with tracks.
@DolphinsWIthIgloos well the Russians do little tank with no infantry
@DolphinsWIthIgloos It's a myth. A small tank has zero benefits. A thermal will still spot it 4 miles away.
@@v4skunk739 it’s easier to get a smaller tank into a protected hull-down position. It also needs lighter bridging equipment, lighter recovery equipment, and narrower mine-breaching lanes. All other things being equal, it will probably require less fuel as there’s less mass to move about.
@@bob_the_bomb4508 sure this is what recon / light tanks are for things like an amx 10 rc. You still need a main battle tank to come back the up when you hit your opponent.
@@v4skunk739 But thermals are western degenerate technology! The vodka infused glare of superior russian conscripts are clearly better!
Fantastic analysis. Thanks for this 👍
been nice to see Chris get so much more comfy in front of the camera! good work :)
One clue for the NAFO bots: civil casualties in Iraque :+ 1 000 000, UKR +- 8 000 (source ONU in 1 year)
Any official material on the whole "Soviets bellow the rank of Major weren't allowed maps"? These videos are very well done, and I'm always looking forward to more content
I know you meant 'below' but I'm now thinking of Russian soldiers screaming "MAJOR!!!"
Most negative things said about the Soviet Union on this channel is just lies, it's such a shame that they feel the need to shovel on tons of propaganda. Notice that they don't do it for Nazi tanks, strange that..
Sounds to me like one of those myths that sometimes springs up to make one's rivals look bad. There's a famous photograph from 1942 of a Soviet lieutenant in a pilotka, urging his men forward with pistol raised; the man has a map case at his hip.
@@stephenwood6663 He's just carrying it for the major. =)
@@jubuttiblêjtôha is carrying naps for mega mladšij lêjtênant
An outstanding offering! Thank you!
I like these reports. Because you have people who really know the equipment and/or have participated in combat I'm getting a clearer idea of the situation as opposed to an opinion from a news reporter.. I truely value my subscription to your channel. Thanks.
Great video, love the official use of the term 'cope cage'
12:46 - thats totally wrong - you take out the inlay of the port and clamp it over the barrel and the upper handguard behind the gas port and then you put it back inside - so its totally seald from ABC Weapons
Exactly. It's as if they're trying to get it all wrong.
@@legbreaker2762 oh come on - the Video is very good but only this one scene isnt
@@Martinlegend No, there are a number of inaccuracies and outright lies in it all painting the Russians in a bad light. It's propaganda.
He has amazing knowledge, I would love to watch more videos and love how detailed he is, amazing video
As always brilliant analysis by Mr. Copson.
As mentioned in the video, mission-based tactics only work if the junior officers and NCOs are highly trained and competent. If not, it's a recipe for utter chaos and disaster. This was probably THE major advantage for the Wehrmacht - an extremely competent officer and NCO corps - well trained in combined warfare and mission-based tactics. Even privates were expected to show personal initiative.
they had experience from WW1. The teens of that time were Officers in 1942.
@@novosib9017 Not the NCOs and junior officers. But yes, German WW2 tactics were very much a development from their 1918 tactics.
... Yet another great vid!. This even applies to game's!. As in infantry support for armour (only needs a few) armour support infantry,or both can indeed suffer greatly,from determined anti-tank infantry,or Indeed armour targeting infantry!.
Great information and presentation. Well done, and thanks !
very clear,understandable analysis in straightforward,simple language. Excellent.
Were the tactics used early on really the same as soviet WW2 tactics? Correct me if I'm wrong or feel free to elaborate, but In WW2, they'd have multiple waves, each with corresponding support elements in the air and on track, with the objective of pushing forward until they were at the edge of stalling, and then, very importantly, transition into creating and holding a beachhead for the next group that was just behind. Thus always preparing the way for the continued assault of fresh and supplied units. I might be wrong, but to me the tactics used in Feb 22 seemed to have degenerated rather than carried over from WW2, as when the front units were halted there was no second fresh wave just behind them to carry on the attack with fresh supplies
Russians prepared for 2014 ukrainian army while ukrainians prepared for 2023 russian army. If ukrainians would fight anything like they did in 2014 the 3 day campaign meme would actually happen
Russia ddint put nearly enough of their best resources into it, there were something 40,000 men put in and around Kiev. No one is asking where is the real Russian army
@@z_actual The professional russian army is currently serving a special fertilization operation in the Ukrainian soil. The 1st guards tank army, 155th naval and VDV weren’t the real russian army?
@@Carbidestruck meanwhile thousands upon thousands of Ukraine soldiers and NATO mercs are now dead or captured in Russian controlled Bakhmut. Keep laughing.
@@JeanLucCaptain Found the vatnik.
Cope cages were seen from the start of the war. They were often "unofficial" additions by the crew hoping to protect from top attack missiles. But they were ineffective for that. On the other hand, as the war progressed, and drones dropping "presents" into open hatches the idea of cope cages on top started to make sense. So, the concept of "cope cages" has evolved during the arc of the war. From a joke to useful. But useful for a totally different threat than envisioned at the start of the war. At the start they were intended to deflect very old anti-tank weapons that were not being used, and in theory against modern weapons that the cages were totally inappropriate for. Now, a year later they can use cages to deflect grenades/bombs dropped from drones into open hatches and to protect from kamikaze drones trying to fly into those hatches too.
What a beautiful lecturer. Time to search him up and tuck in and listen in more.
Insightful! Please keep it coming.
Are people allowed to visit The Tank Museum? I would make a trip out of it
Ofcourse. They also have events like tank fest. Highly recomended. Tiger day is also a good day to visit.
Its a very, very good day out. I drove 300 miles to get there and it was well worth it
Very insightful analysis of the developing situation, thank you
Thanks for covering this important part of war history. Knowledge is a power. And knowing your enemy is hard but valueable lesson. Greetings from Ukraine!
I really hope somewhere in the British army there's a boffin somewhere coming up with an anti drone capability for tanks. Something that can detect them and take them down. Be it an automated 50 cal hooked up to a radar or something along those lines.
I would think something of smaller calibre firing a lot faster than a 50 cal would be providing a swarm of bullets,one of which is all that is needed. Small accurate radar. Yeah,I think you might be on to something.
In the New panther they got drones in the Tank, also to destroy Other drones.
@@paulmanson253 I suspect 12 gauge might be the solution, with buck or birdshot
Something like the Trophy active protection system uses shotguns to shoot down incoming missiles and there is no reason for it to not be able to shoot down drones as well.
@@p_serdiuk drones sit too high for trophy. A system is needed to detect them way before they get near to the general vicinity of the tank so they can be eliminated before they get a chance to drop a mortar, or take away the ability to keep them spotted for artillery etc.
What a deep analysis. Facts. Explained. Well done!
💪🏼🔥🚀It's fascinating to see how military terminology evolves over time, and how terms like "cope cage" can become so ingrained in the culture. It's a testament to the creativity and adaptability of soldiers and military strategists who are constantly finding new ways to improve their tactics and equipment. This video provides a great insight into the evolution of tank tactics in Ukraine and how they've adapted to the changing landscape of modern warfare.
The fact that “cope cage” has made its way to a professional’s mouth is incredible
After all this time, nearly a year and a half into this war, there are still people that try to tell you that the Autoloader's magazine is the cause of turret pops, not the russian habit of cramming more ammunition into the tank than the magazine can hold.
Great job! I was really impressed with this video.
Amazinlgy well put together video. Very informative, thank you.
Watching a tank expert use the term “cope cage” brings me immense joy
Can you guys cover the armored engagement that occurred in Africa between the Russian T-72 (I believe) and the Chinese ZTZ-96 please? I honestly found the results of that skirmish surprising and really interesting.
When did that happen?
@@kurousagi8155 a few years ago I think. Red Effect has a video covering the results of the engagement
@@wj5611 thanks, I found it
Great video and made easy to understans a very complex issue ❤
Great explanation makes things clearer and issues understandable thank you. Keep up the good work.
Would be interesting to see how next gen MBT would look like with the massive proliferation of surveillance and armed drone.
Probably just means top mounted ERA, and a greater emphasis on short range AA supporting tamk formations, with inexpensive munitions for taking out drone swarms without wasting very expensive air defence missiles. Also means more EW for tank formations. Those latter two things don't/shouldn't have to be incorporated into the MBT itself.
I actually unironically expect to see tanks fitted with belt fed shotguns, because I’d bet most drones that are the size of a person or smaller will not enjoy buckshot
MBT is dead its too slow and cumbersome as look at the US Marines and there Future Lift program of a modern ridiculously mobile reaction force, they have scrapped the notion of the MBT as the Abrams is no longer part of the equation and not following front line troops any more.
The Abrams-X has a surveillance drone uplink and can launch Switchblade kamikaze drones IIRC. Having your own drones provides a massive benefit to a tank, and even more if tanks in a platoon data-link their video feeds together.
@@p_serdiuk that a Abrams-X does launch Switchblade kamikaze drones is an indication to how the MBT is losing significance on the battlefield (does it fire it gun nope a Switchblade). You don't need a $5m tank to launch a Switchblade where drone guided indirect fire is hitting out to 30-90km
Nice recap and analysis of the year of fighting in the Ukraine.
Excellent video, great work you guys
What a great video, presented excellently. This was very interesting.
Over 4 months and I'm still have David Fletcher mustache withdrawal.
Oh wow so Yugoslavia didn't happen?