'It hasn't worked': Shanahan, Treliving keeping all options open regarding Leafs' Core 4
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There has been a lot of criticism towards the Core 4 players on the Maple Leafs and their inability to lift the team to the next level. Team president Brendan Shanahan spoke about why it hasn't worked out while general manager Brad Treliving said the team will assess everything but will not make an emotional decision.
I’m not a Maple Leafs fan, and im damn sure not a hater. But if i was a fan, the fact Shanahan still has his position would drive me up the wall.
im a habs fan,ive been a hater my whole life.We love to see the leafs demise every year
This whole press conference was a waste of time. Nothing meaningful was said. Everyone knows what the problem is and the leadership group just won't admit it. Too much money tied up in too few players and frankly that wrong kind of players, meaning players that aren't built for the playoff (read Marner, Nylander and Matthews and to some extent Reilly). Management is to blame for that. You just can't build a team that can compete for the Cup when you don't have enough money left to fill out the team with quality players because you can't pay enough to get good players to fill out the team. They have changed everything, but the core 4 or 5 so that is clearly the problem. Shanny will never admit it that he did it wrong. I don't why they keep talking about new information; the informaion has been that same fore the last 4 or 5 years. I think they are just slow .....
The Shanaplan isn’t working.
"It hasn't worked..." Thank you Brad. Finally someone in management admits it.
Excuses, Increases, excuses, Increases
Everyone wants to win but mitchy poo. He’s content with being a red bull athlete.
The organization hired Shanahan in the role as president with no previous experience as a NHL team president. He also had no experience as a NHL general manager or assistant general, same with the AHL, OHL, WHL, QJHL. Just to remind, this is the Toronto Maple Leafs, likely the most important team in the game of hockey - anywhere - and not the place for personnel experiments at the highest levels. So why is anyone surprised the then- rookie president could never catch on and a decade later with a decimated system is still unable to win playoff series?
Well said brother
At the beginning of the conference, Pelly recounted that the owners wanted him to "win" Yes, but win what, the division or the Stanley Cup? Shanahan did indeed mention the Stanley Cup but the owners don't? Not good.
What a. Fantastic conference!’… I feel so much more confident in the progress!
What i do not understand is why fans fill the seats in that arena and they continue to see the same result come playoff time. Spending an arm and a leg on tickets to watch a team that is boring and not exciting at all is not worth the time and money anymore. This is the absolute worst place to watch a hockey game.
Have to admit, Toronto fans are the biggest loser and they don’t care to win, it’s all about participation lol. Don’t fire anyone and give everyone a raise cause they tried hard. Goes well with MZ woke culture. Everyone has seen the interviews from core 4 players earlier this week. Entitled and lack of responsibility, no desire for winning the cup. If boston got eliminated, you think anyone from the team will say such thing as scapegoat?
How many more years do you give Shanny??? I wish I could be as bad in my job as he is in his and still get paid!!!
I am confident you are .
@@pjpredhomme7699 you don’t know a thing about me, and you seem to be a reason why people don’t like Leaf fans.
Other than running it back last season, how exactly has he been bad at his job? Specifics please.
Ditto !
@@Safestassets he is on his 3rd coach and 3rd GM. He has approved all of the bad contracts. Every goalie has been hurt, so the goalie development/training program needs changed. The pipeline seems to be pretty bare. The poor effort/attitude philosophy has never been addressed. Is that enough????
Everybody is important. But we've only got money for 4 guys. 😂
"certainly we've invested in 4 players, our cap is tied up with them and we are where we are, those are really good players, we gotta figure out why were getting the same result year after year after year"-- Brad Treliving WOW.
Shanahan took ‘full responsibility’ for the Leaf’s failure, then proceeded to fire Keefe. ✔️
Shanny talks, the background goes black 😂
Dark times ahead
It doesn't make any sense that he still has a job here.
It's going to be a very long season, only one thing will happen new coach coming
BOYCOTT THEM. Enough is enough.
TV in the background was like oh hell nah
Honestly I could do the same job for a 10th of the salary. It took you 10 years to realize this. Should fire him NOW.😢😢😢
MLSE should have acknowledged that it is the end of the Shanaplan and the Marner-Matthews era by firing Shanny and hinting at trading Marner. By not firing Shanny, MLSE looks weak. It comes off as they are not willing to make the hard decisions. Keefe was a good coach, but not good enough in the playoffs. Firing Keefe was the easy part. Firing Shanny is the hard part, but would have shown MLSE is willing to do what it takes to bring in a new era. To win a cup, AM34 must be made captain. If that means taking the C away from Tavares and making him a 3rd line center, so be it. Marner is the only attractive trade option Leafs have. Woll is injury prone and Sammy didn't get the job done. Leafs need a better goalie, a younger, more affordable 2nd line center to replace Tavares, and a decent right winger to replace Marner.
The reality is as long as they are making lots of money and they are they don't need to win or care about winning. Just enough to stay in the media, create lots of media buzz and controversy and keep people coming to the games and watching the Leafs on TV. They have done that really well and continue to make lots of money for the company and to share holders that is all that matters. Winning a cup is secondary at best.
I got a good feeling about next year!😂😂😂😂😂 Been saying that my whole life 😪
Fire all 3 of them
Action speaks louder than words! 8 years of failure, what took so long? After 2-3 years with the same results, management should have started change then! Finally, a new coach is a start, new voice, new vision, and new systems. The new coach should bring in his own assistants, with experience in defense and PP/PK. The next focus is defense, big, heavy, tough d-man with grit! The final issue, is solid, steady goaltending. In order for the Leafs to be strong Stanley Cup contenders they need to be tougher to play against, grit throughout the lineup, defenseman that are 6'5" or taller and an experienced goaltender to mentor Woll, if management looks at him, to potentially be the number 1 starter next season. BIGGER throughout the roster and TOUGHER, the 2 KEY ingredients for future team success, in the regular season and playoffs!
I'd love to see Woll succeed. But, he is injury prone. He gives the guys up front confidence.
I agree, but they can't do any of that with 4 to 5 players taking up well over half the salary cap. They just don't have any money to pay anyone good .... Frankly Matthews would be easiest to trade and give the biggest return. Yes he score lots of goals, but that is all he does. He sure isn't a leader.
2-3 years is too soon. Most cup winners took at least 4, and the average is actually 4-6 years after a rebuild. I agree, 8 years before making changes is absurd, but 2-3 is too reactionary unless you really know what was wrong. Sometimes it's hard to say if it's inexperience or you're actually missing pieces or you overestimated a player's capacity to change in the playoffs that is bad for team culture and thus needs to go. Not everyone can be the Chicago Blackhawks and get it done very quickly. In fact, I would argue that the Leafs did really well against the Caps and stuff, especially since they were the underdogs and took better teams to 7 games. There was absolutely reason to be optimistic, especially since Matthews performed so well so early on. I would say losing against Montreal in 2020-21 was the correct time to change things, not in 2018 or 2019. Using your logic, you would have retooled the Tampa Bay Lightning after losing to Columbus and probably missed out on 2 cups.
Also, this team already had enough toughness and grit. I would argue the roster this year was probably one of the toughest in the entire playoffs. The hits per game proves that, as they had over 50+ per game. I have no idea what you're talking about. Defense and grit have not been the reasons they have lost in ANY series. Goaltending wasn't the problem either. Campbell and Woll gave them stupidly good numbers. Campball was 0.937 and Woll was 0.964. Sammy in Game 7 was .938, which is absolutely good enough to win. No, the problem with the Leafs was special teams were very bad, its core could not score playoff goals and scoring depth was a big issue in this 1st round Boston series this year, just as it was against Florida and Montreal
Said a lot of nothing same old same old. They should just clean house completely because failure for this long isn’t fixable unless complete wholesale changes are made. Think about it any job would they pay you high $$$ before you succeed in your roles and then they keep rewarding failure
Marner and Tavares obviously need to be changed. How is going to be very difficult. I feel for leafs fans. Does not look good at this juncture.
This press show anserewed nothing
Let's go Brandon
Shanahan has to go, he is the architect of this whole 4 four monstrosity that isn't working, Pelley should look a little deeper before saying that he likes the chemistry of Shamahan and Treliving, Keep Treliving but Shamahan NO.
Shanahan took too many shots to the head .
Shanny saved once again but Keefe is gone lol Fine you better trade Marner, find a way out!
This is not about 3 people. But it is about 4 people because that's how you structured the salary. As usual, tons of excuses with zero accountability.
Yes you do have to revisit history. The mess Shanny created is stinking up the city.
If Shanahan & these 2 were our parents, we would be packing bags & leaving the comfort of home for ever after this ridiculously windy 3 way speach. Everyone knows the tone of this sob story. Dont forget to write!😮
“We ran into a pandemic” is the lamest cop out I’ve ever heard. Theres been years to make adjustments since then and they CHOSE not too
@RJM-eh2tv yes. I’m not sure what you’re point is? I’m saying they’ve known about this flat cap for awhile now. It’s not new news. They could have made adjustments via trades years ago
This press conference is a joke. The organization has 0 respect for the fans. Otherwise you wouldn't have acted and did the things you did for 8 plus years. 😂
I'm not a Leafs fan, but it's not fair to throw Treliving or Pelley under the bus the way y'all are with Shanahan
So it finally dawned on Shanny that's he been very wrong and he's softened his arrogance and defiance that he put on in the past.
This is leaf land ...trying been a sens fan...8 yrs of making the playoffs, and fans still going off...i get ya want the cup so do 31 other teams...at least your making it to em...your ending up with same results cause if the division your in...i get fans get pissy but your at least making it
Trust me once your team makes the playoffs and u have extremely high expectations ur gonna be just as disappointed
dubas owns this poverty franchise lol fired the best gm in the league and replaced him with a puppet 😂
Dubas put them in the mess terrible contract to the core 4.
This 🤡 is clueless! I hope you are being sarcastic! 😂🤡👈
Play back all the conference speeches….. NOTHING SAID IS ANY DIFFERENT!….What a BULLSHIT TEAM!
"I do believe" Shanahan sounds like a lying politian. He needs to go, now!
A little to late Shanny, you should be gone too, Treliving needs full autonomy if not Leaf fans will get the same shit, and I am not a Leaf fan. Emotional decisions ha...same thing next year TORONTO lol
1966 is the year Leaf got their last stanley cup, be patient, 8 year is nothing compared to that. it could have an new era with this century, hahaha
It was actually 1967, not that it really matters at this point.
Good, changes will be made now....the PP coach, has to go now....poor Keefe, scapegoat...he did a fine job. The PP did not score, 4 pylons on the ice for that last goal....none of this was Keefe's fault. You will be missed coach. Great things ahead for you.