"This Wish," The Most Awkward "I Want" Song

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  • It’s weird they wanted another radio hit when “We Don’t Talk About Bruno” was arguably the biggest hit of ‘Encanto’ and it’s a song that’s fully reliant on the story and even adds further context. ‘Wish’ just has songs because it’s supposed too, not because it’s adding further context to the story. As a result, it feels like a bad jukebox musical rather than an original piece

    @thatoneguy9399@thatoneguy93994 ай бұрын
    • But that's the thing, Disney never expected WDTAB to be the big hit it was, exactly due to how story-context-heavy it was. They expected 'Oruguitas' to be the big award-winning hit. (You'd think they'd have learned their lesson from that, though; that story doesn't make something un-marketable)

      @AskForDoodles@AskForDoodles4 ай бұрын
    • As i've seen with past/good Disney musicals, you can have a story without music but a musical without a story, Never!

      @erikbihari3625@erikbihari36254 ай бұрын
    • "We Don't Talk About Bruno" is so good. Unfortunately, I can only sing half of it either until Camilo's part comes in or dead fish lady, because I bust up laughing at those parts

      @synsvids@synsvids4 ай бұрын
    • @@AskForDoodlesI believe they just put Oruguitas up for rewards because it was the most “artistic” song from the movie Besides that they mainly used the opening number in marketing and Bruno had next to no presence in the marketing until the soundtrack came out

      @cousinparty7266@cousinparty72664 ай бұрын
    • And just as a matter of opinion, the context based songs are almost always my favorites because they feel enhanced by their movie and less generic.

      @griffinkimball2454@griffinkimball24544 ай бұрын
  • I'm honestly starting to feel like Julia Michaels was set up for failure from the very beginning, from being given little context on to what the damn movie was even supposed to be about, to being given 3 weeks to produce and finalize such an important song for the protagonist, to even being hired as the film's songwriter in the first place as it's clear that she's working *way* outside her element

    @Grey_3438@Grey_34384 ай бұрын
    • My thoughts exactly; poor Julia Michaels...

      @Musicombo@Musicombo4 ай бұрын
    • yeah, this is really on disney.

      @lrizzard@lrizzard4 ай бұрын
    • I am still so dumbfounded as to why they would get pop artists for a 100 year anniversary musical

      @katherinesmallbean3594@katherinesmallbean35944 ай бұрын
    • @@katherinesmallbean3594 It's talked about more in The Pop-ification of Disney Music, but basically, Disney corporate is more concerned what's widely marketable to the masses and is likely to make it to #1 on the charts moreso than they are about making sure their movies tell a cohesive story because wider market appeal = more money in their wallet. Leaning into a more pop-y sound for their music and making it more vague and "relatable" is their method of doing so.

      @Grey_3438@Grey_34384 ай бұрын
    • ⁠@@katherinesmallbean3594exactly! It’s so weird to me that Alan Menken wasn’t involved in this at all.

      @jamiegdubois@jamiegdubois4 ай бұрын
  • “This Wish” sounds more like a demo rather than a finalised song.

    @txwtw@txwtw4 ай бұрын
    • @@GuitarGoals sounds like a demo made on the first day of production that was left in Disney’s vaults and then was released years later on KZhead. It gives off those vibes. The rhythm, melodies, harmonies, lyrics, and structure are so unnatural.

      @txwtw@txwtw4 ай бұрын
    • and then youve got the demo version of At All Costs that people are making animatics of left and right x) disney really cant do anything right can they

      @wtnv@wtnv4 ай бұрын
    • @@wtnv bro even I’m planning on making an animatic of that.

      @txwtw@txwtw4 ай бұрын
    • @@wtnv I love that there’s a fandom growing around the original concept for the movie, instead of the actual movie. xD

      @thatonepossum5766@thatonepossum57664 ай бұрын
    • The fact that they hired pop songwriters doesn't help, because pop songs aren't Disney material, and pop songwriters shouldn't write Disney songs or be interacted with by a 10-ft. pole. The movie is awful, the songs are even worse, the story and plot is infuriating because of the double standards and hypocrisy of the main character, who is essentially a freaking Mary Sue at this point, and everyone who worked on this movie is trash, trash, trash. Everyone who works for Disney is scum. I despise everyone working at the forsaken studio, and I hope to never watch another Disney movie ever again.

      @nevaehhamilton3493@nevaehhamilton34934 ай бұрын
  • To me the most egregious line is “throw caution to every warning sign.” It’s like they wanted to use the phrases “throwing caution to the wind” and “ignoring the warning signs” but couldn’t decide on one so they just merged them, failing to realize that merging them just…doesn’t make any sense at all. It really adds to the whole “ai-generated” feel of the rest of the movie, cause that’s exactly the kind of blunder an AI trying to analyze human speech would make.

    @HJ-oo8ph@HJ-oo8ph4 ай бұрын
    • And that line is part of the chorus - it gets repeated a couple times. It makes even the most singable part of the song grating.

      @annamelvina216@annamelvina2164 ай бұрын
    • "Throwing caution to the wind" means you are throwing it aside to be blown away, aka ignored. If you throw caution to the warning sign, then.... ???? 😭 Most logical interpretation is that she is taking her internal feelings of caution and associating them with the signs telling her to be cautious. Which is......... basic human thinking. 😂 Erm...... good job Asha. Big brain.

      @katherinesmallbean3594@katherinesmallbean35944 ай бұрын
    • If you imagine warning signs as a person, this line could be interpreted as "throwing someone's unwanted advice back at them", which is a neat idea, but as we know, the execution didn't land.

      @nonsensology@nonsensology4 ай бұрын
    • @@annamelvina216 They repeat the SAME LINES over and over in this song ;_;

      @yamiyugipokemon99@yamiyugipokemon994 ай бұрын
    • @@annamelvina216 exactly 😭 At least with the rent line in magnifico’s song is a one-and-done thing

      @cousinparty7266@cousinparty72664 ай бұрын
  • I feel like pop songs are supposed to be a little vague so people can interpret the song however they like, especially with break up songs. Musicals need to be more specific because they’re about the character and not the audience.

    @TisPopRock@TisPopRock4 ай бұрын
    • EXACTLY.

      @txwtw@txwtw4 ай бұрын
    • Pop songwriters are garbage

      @nevaehhamilton3493@nevaehhamilton34934 ай бұрын
    • Just give her rock, you cowards.

      @ericraululyeetusdelyeetus5028@ericraululyeetusdelyeetus50284 ай бұрын
    • EXACTLY. This goes for basically any genre of music that is made as a standalone track. Even artists who have plots within their music (The Weeknd is really the obvious example) leave it open to interpretation. That’s the point of stand-alone music. Not music in musicals. Musical tracks and songs have a story to progress, a character to develop. Therefore, they sacrifice being interpretative for being story-drivers and character-builders. Songs in musicals are there to be catchy and good, but also progress the plot, the arc. Therefore they can’t afford the type of vagueness radio songs have. If I can interpret an “I want” song to mean something else, or to be wanting nothing, then something’s wrong

      @auliamate@auliamate4 ай бұрын
    • YES!

      @causal_internetuser@causal_internetuserАй бұрын
  • "Throw caution to every warning sign" is such an odd line its REALLY making me believe my theory that these songs were AI assisted. That line and Magnifico's infamous "I let you live here for free and I dont even charge you rent". I refuse to believe those lines were written by actual, thinking human beings

    @helalokischild6316@helalokischild63164 ай бұрын
    • I nominate “I got these genes from outer space” to be most likely to be ai generated. What in the world does that even mean?

      @nixxdra@nixxdra4 ай бұрын
    • @@nixxdra If they went with the original Star Boy concept, it would have been a cool (but sloppy) hint that Magnifico was actually another Star Boy who became jaded after years of wish granting. But that involves cool concepts and hint laying, and considering Disney corporate, I'd bet that it was actually just AI generated.

      @kylepangilinan9075@kylepangilinan90754 ай бұрын
    • I'm willing to bet the original line was "throw caution to every red flag," but they realized that was even worse and decided to crack open a thesaurus.

      @mariokarter13@mariokarter134 ай бұрын
    • I think Wish was in production before AI got big, so I doubt AI has much to do with anything here? This movie is probably just the result of corporate meddling or hiring the wrong people/bad direction or something like that.

      @randomperson-kx6mv@randomperson-kx6mv4 ай бұрын
    • It’s literally two completely different aphorisms at odds with each other. I HATE it.

      @TrekBeatTK@TrekBeatTK4 ай бұрын
  • Why did they direct her to sing ‘weighed down’ as a high note?

    @catus-cactus@catus-cactus4 ай бұрын
    • Expectations subverted 🙄

      @Coufu@Coufu4 ай бұрын
    • They saw that bit from Saving Mr Banks about Spoonful of Sugar 😂

      @KiraAotsuki@KiraAotsuki4 ай бұрын
    • Up on the down

      @nager1997@nager19974 ай бұрын
    • 😂😂

      @unripetheberrby6283@unripetheberrby62834 ай бұрын
    • @@KiraAotsukiI was just about to say that lol

      @Thisnamemadememad@Thisnamemadememad4 ай бұрын
  • LESSON: don't try to Miranda if you're not Miranda

    @mooniegoodie@mooniegoodie4 ай бұрын
    • Same with Alan Menkin

      @xtremeyoylecake@xtremeyoylecake4 ай бұрын
    • Agreed!

      @jonelrobinson582@jonelrobinson5824 ай бұрын
    • No Miranda period

      @MYNAMACHEF@MYNAMACHEF4 ай бұрын
    • And sometimes don't Miranda even if you are Miranda. Just, Miranda less

      @Lunar_Atronach@Lunar_Atronach4 ай бұрын
    • not just Miranda (Moana and Encanto), also Robert Lopez (Frozen), Alan Menken, Howard Ashman, Tim Rice etc. all had experience with multiple successful broadway musicals and knowing how to write a character song

      @Plaspos@Plaspos4 ай бұрын
  • The vagueness of the song really just sums up the biggest issue Asha herself has a protagonist. They gave an "I Want" song to a character who _doesn't want anything._ In most Disney movies - and most Hero's Journey narratives in general - the protagonist starts out with personal goals and ambitions that drive their actions to start with (Rapunzel wants freedom, Anna wants true love, Mirabel wants her family's acceptance, etc). And by the end of the story, they either achieve their goal, or they go on an arc where they gain something more meaningful instead, and realise what they _wanted_ wasn't what they _needed._ There's a good starting point at first with Asha initially wanting to be Magnifico's apprentice, but then not even 15 minutes in, that's immediately swept under the rug and has nothing to do with the rest of the story. They don't even have her making a wish of her own, despite the entire plot revolving around her conflict with a villain whose entire thing is hoarding people's wishes. As a result, Asha has literally no personal desires or ambitions, and spends the rest of the movie as a passive non-entity who just goes and does whatever Star prompts her to do. She's such a bland and poorly-defined lead that the only thing she has even remotely resembling a motivation is just for _other_ people to get what _they_ want.

    @superfanmusicmaker@superfanmusicmaker4 ай бұрын
    • Totally agree, she ended up being really bla because she had no defining features or anything to strive for. They really needed to make the effects of having your wish taken from you much more noticeable and serious. And then the character she's fighting for needed to not be a forgettable grandad, it should have been a best friend or a sister with a strong personality who is damaged by giving up their wish, so that we can understand why Asha cares. Also 'throw caution to every warning sign'??? How did that line make it to the demo let alone the finished song?

      @rosiescott1531@rosiescott15314 ай бұрын
    • This! Exactly this thing, thank you!

      @lilithreusch2614@lilithreusch26144 ай бұрын
    • ⁠@@rosiescott1531Istg that line threw me off even back when we got the teaser in April I “wish” that was the worst line in the soundtrack but unfortunately that’s not the case…

      @cousinparty7266@cousinparty72664 ай бұрын
    • And even the apprentice thing wasn’t a true want of Asha’s considering her motive was to ask for her grandfather’s wish to be granted

      @agatha6999@agatha69994 ай бұрын
    • ​@@agatha6999 Which ironically makes Magnifico's reaction to the interaction understandable. The majority of applicants are probably there for the same thing she is. Also shows how selfish she/the other people are. They absolutely take Magnifico and his magic for granted

      @Cardinal_claw@Cardinal_claw4 ай бұрын
  • As much as you might hate it, another example of a song-writer heavily involved in the story of the movie...Lin Manuel Miranda! He did a lot of work with Encanto, and pushing through the first song before Disney could refuse or change things is how he got them to agree to such a large family in the first place.

    @Ro9ge@Ro9ge4 ай бұрын
    • why is evryone hating on him hes not that bad of a guy

      @marli4442@marli44424 ай бұрын
    • hes apparently an asshole irl my theater teacher (i dont do theater i promise : ( im part of tech crew) he met lmm irl and apparently he was an asshole also lmm is pretty overrated his songwriting, rhyming, and flow are mid asf @@marli4442

      @overdays75@overdays754 ай бұрын
    • ​@@marli4442 I don't think anyone hates him, he's just a big meme now

      @starry.princesss1115@starry.princesss11154 ай бұрын
    • And he changed Oscar into Bruno just for a song

      @genericname2747@genericname27474 ай бұрын
    • @@genericname2747what’s wrong with that? Bruno sounds more fitting than Oscar, plus it’s the reason why We Don’t Talk About Bruno became popular

      @zasproductions9258@zasproductions92584 ай бұрын
  • Honestly I cannot take Asha's "Something more than this" line. Girl, something more than what? You live in a flourishing kingdom that doesn't charge anyone rent (as memed on as that line is, that is extremely generous of Magnifico) and has the optional chance to get your wish granted (I seriously will never understand why she was so distressed and shocked so many wishes dont get granted. Girl 1 wish a month means 12 total, unless your kingdom has a population of like 60 why is it that surprising.)

    @agatha6999@agatha69994 ай бұрын
    • Yea no kidding! If Magnifico truly didnt charge anyone rent, he is a better king than all of the worlds nobility throughout history together! It was extremely common for kings and feudal lords to tax their people a lot- sometimes to the point of starvation and death...The rentfree housing was probably why he managed to attract so much people to his kingdom in the first place. Who dont want to live with a king like that?

      @Sakuyamon@Sakuyamon4 ай бұрын
    • @@Sakuyamon I wouldn't go as far as to call him inherently better for it - there weren't taxes on (some) nobles throughout the reigns of Louis XIV and XVI, but that doesn't mean it was even a good place to be in for the nobles (who were lowkey prisoners). I'd much rather have Brian Boru or Arthur than that. Hell, even Richard III would be a better pick. Taxation is theft but that's not the worst crime a government can commit.

      @nala7829@nala78294 ай бұрын
    • @@Sakuyamon Ikr like I wouldnt even care about the wish part as soon as I hear rent free with no strings attached like other kings put a tax on people just wanting to dress nice 💀💀 Rosas didnt deserve Magnifico

      @agatha6999@agatha69994 ай бұрын
    • Also, yeah people forget what they wished for, but so what? I mean, do they forget that's what they want or do they forget how to make it true themselves? What if someone wishes for love and it ends up making someone pretty much brainwashed? If people are too lazy and just want their biggest wishes to just be handed to them, that's not Magnifico's fault

      @barbararab6390@barbararab63904 ай бұрын
    • The line "throw caution to every warning sign" is what lost me.

      @elitegamer9310@elitegamer93104 ай бұрын
  • This song really sounds like something i'd make up and sing to myself while walking or in the shower. Just, like, putting high notes wherever, no real throughlines, the occasional questionable rhyme scheme... I mean, if the character is making this up as she goes, then I guess it at least makes sense in context!

    @ghostygirl2395@ghostygirl23954 ай бұрын
    • I thought I was the only one who did that 😂

      @Breadcrumbs_1803@Breadcrumbs_18034 ай бұрын
    • specially the gibberish

      @pescuezoee@pescuezoee4 ай бұрын
    • Frrrr

      @nica7747@nica77474 ай бұрын
    • omg this puts into word the feeling I have with the song. The melody just goes everywhere with no sense whatsoever.

      @ZoZoZoeee@ZoZoZoeee2 ай бұрын
  • It being written by pop song-writers pretty much explains it all, doesn’t it? But tbh I’m sure there’s plenty of pop song writers who can come up with better song structures and lyrics than Wish’s song-writers.

    @txwtw@txwtw4 ай бұрын
    • Tbh the Olivia and Billie examples show that you can write amazing pop songs for movies, you just actually need to give them context and involve them in the process

      @babyblouie4761@babyblouie47614 ай бұрын
    • ​@@babyblouie4761 I don’t like either of those artists but I can at least give credit to Billie, that song was actually pretty good ngl. And yeah I agree you can write amazing songs despite them being in the genre of pop.

      @txwtw@txwtw4 ай бұрын
    • @@txwtwi don’t tend to listen to olivia’s music but i think her song for the hunger games movie was a perfect example of furthering the story through song, the lyrics really resonated with the plot for me if that makes sense. it felt very harmonious, wish on the other hand is the opposite of that

      @koiloylo@koiloylo4 ай бұрын
    • I feel bad for Julia Michaels being shut out of the creative process and only being given 3 weeks to write a Disney musical song, though.

      @Musicombo@Musicombo4 ай бұрын
    • @@Musicombo that’s a fair point. I feel like everyone is dogging on her because she was the main song writer, but at the end of the day Disney was the ones who approved of the songs, and if she wasn’t as involved as other song writers in the past, it kinda makes sense. Just saying the quality of these songs shouldn’t be blamed solely on her when it was ultimately the big mouse’s decision at the end of the day

      @xx_robotkrew_xx1446@xx_robotkrew_xx14464 ай бұрын
  • Disney probably wanted the songs to be vague so that they can be played on the radio as a generic pop song, but let's be honest: the real reason is that they didn't have a script ready so the songwriters really have no idea what these songs are supposed to be about. They just have a vague idea of what the story is about, so they write music with that genericness in mind, without the characters singing anything specific to their situation or characterization, because they aren't given what these are. We know from the documentary on Frozen 2 that they were making a movie in search of a story, and even lifted an entire song from some other movie in production ("Into the Unknown", I think). It's safe to say that Disney's animation discipline has been shot to shit.

    @DeadFishFactory@DeadFishFactory4 ай бұрын
    • Basically they wanted a jukebox musical but with original songs

      @mooniegoodie@mooniegoodie4 ай бұрын
    • They also probably changed the script a bunch of times while the songs were being written so that didn’t help. The demo version of “At All Cost” sounds like it could have been for the scrapped Starboy and Asha plot or when Amaya and Magnifico were both the villains

      @antoniosaesthetic9045@antoniosaesthetic90454 ай бұрын
    • yeah their pipeline has been getting more messed up for a while now. like how in the MCU oftentimes actors didn't even know the context while filming (not directly created by disney but yk). it's no wonder that creatives don't deliver a good product when they're this far removed from the final vision.

      @caseypei4300@caseypei43004 ай бұрын
    • “vague enough that they can be played on the radio as a generic pop song” I call this the Greatest Showman Effect.

      @gjeanf2005@gjeanf2005Ай бұрын
    • Except Greatest Showman was actually good.

      @causal_internetuser@causal_internetuserАй бұрын
  • I think you're right about Disney keeping Wish bland to make it marketable. But I'd go a step further, and speculate they may have commissioned as non-specific a song as possible so they could still use it if they decided to completely overhaul the script again. Disney seems very scissor-happy in the editing room lately, and we can theorise Wish underwent at least one complete storyboard change by the concept art of 'Star Boy'.

    @laureate90@laureate904 ай бұрын
    • The whole movie reeks of having gone through production Hell tbh, wouldn't surprise me if we get even more revelations the plot was meant to be totally different lmao

      @casperrabbit7254@casperrabbit72544 ай бұрын
    • The fact the movie is so badly rendered, though the more common explanation is a bad asthetic choice, imma still theorise It was due to lack of time. Those concepts like star boy and the villain couple, the final designs for the characters are there (well, except starboy, who become a cute pokemon-like character). So my theory is a good chunk of animation of the original story was made, and for some reason various changes and edit were made, therefore lot of It was redone/cut. It also would explain why the movie feels so directless and many plot points that are never developed - because they'd be leftovers from previous versions. What I am especulating here is that the movie was so changed/edited It not only caused a less polished animation but is the reason the story is such a mess.

      @xadalau9758@xadalau97584 ай бұрын
    • Magnifico's general demeanor might also be a remnant of that; there was a concept where him and Amaya were supposed to be a genuinely villainous power couple. There might have been a different where the message was "be careful what you wish for," and Magnifico's rudeness and refusal to explain much was what started the plot.

      @Attaxalotl@Attaxalotl4 ай бұрын
    • @@casperrabbit7254 I don't know if you've seen a couple of story boards that are going around for the "original" concept, but it's very different. Asha appears to be part of a group of traitors that run away from Magnifico, knowing that he is fully evil. Magnifico doesn't just keep the wishes until he decides to grant them, he eats them, and this doesn't cause the vague sadness of the movie but a sort of paralazing desease were you can't even walk. It is implied that Magnifico has some kind of cover up to avoid that kingdom finds out about the people whose wishes have been eaten by keeping them in a sort of dungeon that Asha has to sneak in. It looked very interesting and like it made more sense than the final product.

      @mariatorres-by6du@mariatorres-by6duАй бұрын
    • @@mariatorres-by6du Now THAT is a Disney kids movie that I as a fully grown adult would still be willing to watch! That sounds fun and I would LOVE to see what kind of villain songs they had in mind for that version of the film! I don't think I could get through this final cut without falling asleep and a young relative would have to drag me there in the first place.

      @whiteraven181@whiteraven18122 күн бұрын
  • To give credit to "For the First Time in Forever" I don't think it's entirely dependent on its context. Anna spends the song listing off everything she didn't get to do from balls, romance and mundane things like just having company to talk to. Furthermore, both Anna and Elsa bring up the gates being opened which is what is mainly happening for the first time in forever and what makes Anna break out into song. It's obvious enough to tell that Anna is singing about wanting to be able to enjoy her freedom that everything she's sung about makes it clear she's been denied

    @agatha6999@agatha69994 ай бұрын
    • honestly, I thought that one was pretty solid! Still gets stuck in my head sometimes lol

      @identitypattern1649@identitypattern16494 ай бұрын
    • Heh… balls…

      @YAMA_Vidz@YAMA_Vidz4 ай бұрын
    • @@identitypattern1649im gEtting WhAt im drEaMinG of!!!

      @Mysterious-Night@Mysterious-Night4 ай бұрын
    • I think that’s what she meant! The wording was a little weird in the video, but on listening to that whole section again, I think she meant it’s dependent on the context given in the song itself. As in, the “want” would make zero sense without Anna singing about the context of their setting, so the song is dependent on that as a result.

      @honeybeenation@honeybeenation4 ай бұрын
    • "If you can cut the song out of the movie and lose nothing, you haven't done your job properly." - paraphrasing a guy that worked on The Little Mermaid

      @mariokarter13@mariokarter134 ай бұрын
  • Everything I’ve seen about this movie makes me feel like it was written backwards. They wanted a 100-year celebration movie, so they called it ‘Wish’ to bring Disney full-circle, then were forced to create a villain who makes no sense. They wanted to have a popular song, so they wrote an I Want song because those do well, and ended up with a flavourless pop song instead of a classic Disney song. They wanted an art style that combined the new and the old, so made a weird hybrid 2D/3D thing that ends up lacking the hand-drawn charm and the modern developments and the art style just looks like a straight-to-DVD sequel.

    @Danmarinja@Danmarinja4 ай бұрын
    • Plus the combination of old and new has been done before and done well, Klaus, Arcane and Hotel Transylvania have all done incredible jobs of creating compromise between 2d and 3d in a way that maximizes their charms for the setting they are in, and when you look at behind the scenes work all their drafts and concept work and development

      @cassualtea2040@cassualtea20404 ай бұрын
    • @@cassualtea2040frrrr

      @nica7747@nica77474 ай бұрын
    • Exactly, it's a complete SOULLESS and unoriginal movie...

      @TheStepmonkey@TheStepmonkey4 ай бұрын
    • There's this team on KZhead that do YT shorts of 2D characters in a 3D engine (blender). Their animations look great so I don't know Disney half-assed it when they have WAY more resources than a small KZheadr. Worse yet but Marvel's What If and other cartoon shows all look way better than this movie and are hand drawn.

      @grandempressvicky6387@grandempressvicky63873 ай бұрын
    • You know what it's even more hilarious? That one short they did for the 100 year anniversary was better than this movie. lol

      @SammEater@SammEaterАй бұрын
  • I'll say the dissonance is also included in the animation. A lot of people confuse that with the film's rendering, but the actual acting of Asha in this song is incredibly derrivative when you comapre it to Tangled, Frozen, and Moana. The context is actually quite melancholic; Asha has just run from her home, upset and confused about Magnifico refusing her Saba and mother's wishes and her family are angry at her for questioning him about it. She's confronted with a massive lack of support in the face of seeing a problem she wants to solve. Her want is to confront Magnifico and allow all of Rosas to have their wishes granted. It's fierce and spiteful want, it isn't a longing or excitement the way Anna or Rapunzel's are, but despite that she's animated cheerfully smiling and running up to reach for the stars at the end in almost the exact same way they do. This is the issue all of Wish faces and it guts Asha's identity as a protagonist. She isn't allowed to manifest her wants in a unique, motivated way. It's fascinating to hear you discuss it from a song point of view and it really makes me wonder what a good "I want" song for Asha would have been

    @Sootielove@Sootielove4 ай бұрын
    • probably would've been more interesting to make her seem like a selfish villain at first!

      @court_jester7904@court_jester79044 ай бұрын
    • One of my favorite theories about this movie is that Magnifico was _supposed to be right_ and it had a "be careful what you wish for" message. It explains too many things, like how Magnifico can be a bit harsh but is entirely in the right, or an "I Want" song where the protagonist doesn't seem to want anything. It would've been a cool bait-and-switch for Asha's character arc to be "Oh wait I was wrong" and Magnifico's being "Oh wait I should actually explain my reasoning so this doesn't happen again."

      @Attaxalotl@Attaxalotl4 ай бұрын
    • @@court_jester7904But then that would just make her into another version of Elsa, which would be harder for kids to distinguish her and Elsa apart. Ultimately more development on Asha should've been done.

      @Meimoons@Meimoons4 ай бұрын
    • Oooh yes they should've given her a villain song instead. Like a fierce battle song.

      @chelseacounsell@chelseacounsell4 ай бұрын
    • yooo her 'I want" song sounding a bit villain-y (but only underlyingly, like we can hear it in the music but not the lyrics) would have been sick, although that would mean the whole movie would have needed to develop completely differently

      @aemiecho3956@aemiecho39564 ай бұрын
  • So I make this wish That Disney would start giving a hoot about the good songwriting and storytelling again

    @Coufu@Coufu4 ай бұрын
    • Seriously! 😩

      @snowflakesandroses@snowflakesandroses4 ай бұрын
    • So I make this wiiiiiiiiish But that won’t happened because we'llforgetitandthekingwon'tgrantit (I was trying to stay in the same rhythm as the song lol)

      @octosquid48@octosquid484 ай бұрын
    • Dream on. As long as capitalism is a part of society now, you can't do nuthin' about it. Nothing. Your wishes mean nothing to the wealthy pigs that oppress us normal people.

      @nevaehhamilton3493@nevaehhamilton34934 ай бұрын
    • So I make this wiiiiiiish That they'll start to give a shiiiiiii......

      @a.z.p.@a.z.p.4 ай бұрын
    • Wasn't there a strike about this while this was in production?

      @peronkop@peronkop4 ай бұрын
  • I'm absolutely loving all your analysis of the wish songs. It really helps put into words about what felt so off about the lyrics. If you want to systematically roast the entire soundtrack I'll be right here with the popcorn

    @aetheriansunrise5433@aetheriansunrise54334 ай бұрын
    • or any soundtracks, really. or just music theory in general. i need a new youtuber like how Sideways used to be--highly recommend his channel, but he doesn't post anymore :(

      @katedillon1977@katedillon19774 ай бұрын
    • Seconded

      @Jayjee762@Jayjee7624 ай бұрын
    • Omg yeah. I missed Sideway’s content a lot and it’s great to have other people who are doing analysis of songs that go into the music theory

      @hellogoodbye8620@hellogoodbye86204 ай бұрын
    • @@hellogoodbye8620Howard Ho does music theory, too. He has a series on Hamilton.

      @sweetsandcharades8383@sweetsandcharades83834 ай бұрын
    • FRRRRR

      @nica7747@nica77474 ай бұрын
  • When I think “I want” songs immideately in my head i hear Belles “I WANT ADVENTURE IN THE GREAT WIDE SOMEWHERE” and it almsot makes me tear up bc of how strongly I *feel* her *passion*. The entire song builds up to that chorus/belt by explaining her desire. Just from that song, we learn she lives in a small, quiet town and she loves to read abt this fufilling stories so her motive makes perfect satisfying sense. It’s almsot a bit relatable which just enhances its appeal to the heart of the audience. On the other hand, I find it really hard to relate to or even understand Ashas desire so there’s no heart-felt connection.

    @giannaromagnoli2675@giannaromagnoli26754 ай бұрын
    • yes! reminds me of a video by sideways where he points out that at one point you can *hear* belle's voice actress smiling, it's insane how much emotion and passion is in the song

      @silverally4572@silverally45724 ай бұрын
    • geniunely its one of my fave disney moments, even if its just someone wanting to leave their small town you can tell how important and meaningful it is to her

      @iwakeupandboomimarat@iwakeupandboomimarat4 ай бұрын
    • @@silverally4572 where?

      @imthebossmermaid3648@imthebossmermaid36484 ай бұрын
    • @@imthebossmermaid3648found it by looking up “sideways beauty and the beast.” That’s all you had to do. Like it’s not hard lol

      @skdjcmsbdjc@skdjcmsbdjc3 ай бұрын
    • That, or Ariel's very tender "what can I do, to live where you are', and Mulan's completely heartbroken 'why is my reflection someone I don't know', or Moana's freely shouting 'one day I'll know, how far I'll go", or Hercules' aching "I would go most anywhere to feel like I belong"... while Asha's song makes me feel the opposite of what all I Want songs should make you feel. I want her to sit down and stop dreaming lol

      @ZoZoZoeee@ZoZoZoeee2 ай бұрын
  • This song feels like someone built a puppy and every bone in the skeleton is upside down, and they trained it to do a little dance and make you go "aww" while it begs for death.

    @liamannegarner8083@liamannegarner80834 ай бұрын
    • Body horror dystopia is calling for you

      @AW-xc1xc@AW-xc1xc4 ай бұрын
    • That poor puppy 🐶 🥺

      @ashesandposies@ashesandposies4 ай бұрын
    • That’s really specific

      @tiamystic@tiamystic4 ай бұрын
    • So it's the pug of Disney osts

      @destinymace@destinymace4 ай бұрын
    • That's a description... How does one build a puppy though?

      @wantedbird55srandomchannel28@wantedbird55srandomchannel284 ай бұрын
  • I'm so glad you brought up "You can't catch me now," for Hunger Games. I'm not a fan of Olivia Rodrigo (not that she's bad, I just don't listen to her music) but I am a huge fan of BOSBAS and even before watching the film, when I listened to "You can't catch me now," all I could think of was Lucy Grey and how her impact will effect Snow for the rest of his life, specifically with Katniss. But when I listened to "This Wish," in Theatres, I was also very confused on what this was supposed to be about. The lyrics don't have much of a central theme and it really shows. Great analysis again Astor! Would love to see you tackle "At All Costs," especially considering the original lyrics and context of the song.

    @Lady_ETHNE@Lady_ETHNE4 ай бұрын
    • Yes! Olivia Rodrigo sweep

      @breawycker@breawycker4 ай бұрын
    • i got chills when i heard it for the first time. having read the book in 7th grade, i’ve been a huge fan and i just imagined the memory of lucy taunting snow with what he did all those years ago.

      @natthecat3602@natthecat36024 ай бұрын
    • Love that song, Olivia did a good job 👌

      @TheStepmonkey@TheStepmonkey4 ай бұрын
  • Personally, the only song that I actually like in the movie is "At All Cost" And even then, the problem with it is that they took what is obviously a love song. And gave it to Magnifico and Asha. A villain/hero song could work. But since it was intentionally a love song from the start. It just sounds like they were singing it to each other and it felt so weird. Julia Micheals is definitely a talented songwriter for stand alone pop music and it's obvious that love songs are her strong suit. But even then, Disney screwed her over They got rid of the romance in the movie but they didn't want to get rid of the love song they wanted to play at weddings. That's the money hungry mindset Disney has that's causing them to fail

    @cynthesia07@cynthesia074 ай бұрын
    • Julia has written so many hits, but in this film they obviously didn't really collaborate with her, they just hired her to write songs with vague details and vaguely a pop song, vaguely musical song and thrown it in different parts of the film 😫 kinda sad that this is her official musical debut

      @riyazuo@riyazuo4 ай бұрын
    • @@riyazuoJulia Michaels’ pop songs are inspiring and full of heart which is why I was disappointed with her plastic mechanical numbers in Wish.

      @storietellermusic@storietellermusic4 ай бұрын
    • It's so creepy out of context because Magnifico is an adult man who looks about in his 40s(and may even be older than that) with a whole ass WIFE who is the best, while Asha is a 17-year-old girl, a CHILD. IDK how the hell they expected to release a song like that, sung by the teenage heroine and the villain old enough to be her dad, make it sound romantic, and expect anyone to not be weirded out, especially since they didn't release the video for it at first. We of course all know that modern Disney won't sink to those lows. But still. Why market the song this way???

      @imthebossmermaid3648@imthebossmermaid36484 ай бұрын
    • @@storietellermusic That's because Julia's pop songs are meant to be pop songs. That's why they work. Trying to make a musical song a straight, cliche radio pop song isn't going to work. Just like trying to sing an acoustic song in an opera. Not saying that pop musicals can never work(Six: the Musical, for instance), but there are still some elements of musical songs that make them different from and more complex than your everyday generic pop songs.

      @imthebossmermaid3648@imthebossmermaid36484 ай бұрын
  • The lyrics, the singing, the rhythms, its all so pop it hurts

    @august1837@august18374 ай бұрын
    • They could have gotten Broadway song-writers, not freaking pop song writers.

      @txwtw@txwtw4 ай бұрын
    • Agreed, and I listen to mainly pop music 😂😂

      @auliamate@auliamate4 ай бұрын
    • OMG PLEASE. Like I can listen to my favorite pop songs but I also want old classic broadway songs even more! 😩

      @Meimoons@MeimoonsАй бұрын
    • Depends on what pop you’re talking about

      @rosalinaj9717@rosalinaj971723 күн бұрын
  • When I was in the theater watching this movie, I remember leaning over to my sister and saying "This song feels like it has too many syllables." I couldn't put it into words, but the song in general felt like the auditory version of tripping over yourself. I appreciated the way you laid things out in this video. It was like you were putting words to all the thoughts I couldn't articulate.

    @Monker4444@Monker44444 ай бұрын
    • It’s like throwing everything in your fridge into a bowl and it just turns into a brown nasty sludge

      @SandNebula232@SandNebula232Ай бұрын
  • "Throw caution to every red flag." "There's no such thing as a caution flag, do you mean a caution sign?" "Then how about I change it to warning sign?" "Perfect. The song's due in 20 minutes."

    @mariokarter13@mariokarter134 ай бұрын
    • This made me snort thank you fucking much. 😤

      @imthebossmermaid3648@imthebossmermaid36484 ай бұрын
    • I like how this is phrased like a high school group project.

      @youdontknowwho505@youdontknowwho50520 күн бұрын
  • This is a really weird sidenote but something I loved so much about The Bobs Burgers movie is how imperfect a lot of the characters singing voices are, they aren't smoothed over and they work because of how well they fit into the character's theme and personality. There is so much more charm to Sunny Side Up Summer than anything found in Wish.

    @greayworks7232@greayworks72324 ай бұрын
    • I still regularly listen to “Lucky Ducks”, it’s one of my favorite songs! I also just have their soundtracks downloaded though so maybe I’m just biased 😂

      @chelscara@chelscara4 ай бұрын
    • Or the Not That Evil song

      @moon7shinev150@moon7shinev1504 ай бұрын
  • i'm sure you're aware already, but i think part of the reason Lin Manuel Miranda does those rhymes in lines is because of the Sondheim influence in his work! Sondheim (at least in the works he did solo, less sure about his collaborative works) very much would rhymes in lines (see "while her whithers wither with her" from Into the Woods as the easiest example to pull from here). i do think Lin Manuel Miranda does overuse this a lot ("so I'm the oldest and the wittiest and the gossip in New York City is insidious..." is a great line from him, the Bruno rap from "All of You" in Encanto is not) but there's at least purpose behind it. it feels like Julia Michaels did these internal rhymes without going into why LMM does it or the influences behind LMM's work outside of him being "oh he's the Broadway guy that does rap". do i think Wish would've been better if she had explored more of the musical theatre canon that LMM, the Lopezes, and Alan Menken were influenced by? probably not, but i think it might've at least forced the songs to go through at least one more draft.

    @JayEeBee@JayEeBee4 ай бұрын
    • That's interesting, and thank you for the examples! It might just boil down to personal preference, but I don't see the problem in the "overuse" of LMM rhyming structure- I find it quite fun and it has a lot of flair. I love tongue twisters and whatnot, so lines like the NYC one from Hamilton are just plain fun to me. 😅

      @supremeoverlord0@supremeoverlord04 ай бұрын
    • Thank you for mentioning All of You. Absolutely hate that song. I was trying to find literally any hate or criticism on it when the movie became popular, aaaand nothing. There’s a lot more I could talk about with the rest of your comment obviously but that’s just one part that made me happy lol

      @ellaenergy@ellaenergy4 ай бұрын
    • @@ellaenergy Agreed. "All of You" was very lackluster. >w< Admittedly forgot about it until this comment.

      @supremeoverlord0@supremeoverlord04 ай бұрын
    • This and he was influenced by the Hip-Hop of the 80s\ Early 90s ( De la Soul, LL, Queen Latifah, Tribe Called Quest, Big Pun, and Biz Markie). That was built off of doing wacky rhymes and free-styling to make hyperbolic points.

      @desdar100@desdar1004 ай бұрын
    • @@ellaenergytbh i liked it, specially the bruno rap part its catchy to me idk

      @pescuezoee@pescuezoee4 ай бұрын
  • Honestly, the whole movie felt like a first draft. I don't claim to be an expert writer but there were so many moments where the dialogue or exposition felt clumsily written, like they scribbled down what they wanted the characters to say but weren't given any time to go back and make it sound natural, or rephrase it to fit the character's personality more effectively. It's really noticeable in some of the early scenes.

    @casperrabbit7254@casperrabbit72544 ай бұрын
  • It feels like it wasn’t sung in its’ original language. This sounds like a decent dub at best.

    @mentosmariel@mentosmariel4 ай бұрын
    • Some of the actual dubs do it better- for instance the Spanish dub has Asha talk about reading the “señales con sensitez,” or “sensibly read the signs, “ which is way more coherent than “throw caution to every warning sign”

      @LavenderWhale@LavenderWhale4 ай бұрын
    • ​@@LavenderWhale Magnifico and Loki have the same voice actor in the spanish dub, that's another win for spanish speakers.

      @despinasgarden.4100@despinasgarden.41004 ай бұрын
    • And just like dubs for the Lion King remake, everyone else was better than the original english singers. Amazing.

      @SammEater@SammEaterАй бұрын
    • What! No way :0 Ok thanks to this comment now I want Magnific​o with Loki personality, so he can be a real villain this time@@despinasgarden.4100

      @Angninjin22@Angninjin22Ай бұрын
  • This has been the most difficult movie to talk about with people. The people who like it because of how simple it is can't find any fault in it. I could hardly comprehend any of the words in these songs because it felt like there were 25 words per measure.

    @ryankleinicus@ryankleinicus4 ай бұрын
    • People like this movie??? I can’t think of a Disney movie that has been this trashed on since ralph breaks the internet

      @cousinparty7266@cousinparty72664 ай бұрын
    • ​@@cousinparty7266 People who've never cared about the quality of media and think anyone who looks into things deeply enough to criticize is somehow being stupid and wasting time that could be spent pointlessly working probably love it.

      @nkbujvytcygvujno6006@nkbujvytcygvujno60064 ай бұрын
    • I've heard kids say they love this movie, and one stupid adult🤣

      @rosestar1324@rosestar13244 ай бұрын
    • I also feel like the singer doesn't enunciate several lines. I'm usually really good at hearing lyrics in songs but for some parts I went "girl wtf are you even saying??"

      @rosestar1324@rosestar13244 ай бұрын
    • @@cousinparty7266 I never saw any hate for ralph breaks the internet and it seems most like it since google user reviews put it at 78% positive reviews lol.

      @Shaowraven2266@Shaowraven22664 ай бұрын
  • Can't believe the girl who expected her wishes to come true because of a star instead of working hard or appreciating the things she had *gets what she wants* Tiana made her wish come true yeah but she got what she needed: *love* I love Tiana's song and I want her to succeed but I want her to notice what she needs( same can be said with other animated characters they want something but they need something else that is better for their lives and health ) . Unlike other I want songs this feels... weird not only because of the reasons you mentioned but because Asha is so boring and with no personality. That's the reason this song didn't resonate inside me, maybe with others did but for me no Anyways good video as always

    @Angninjin22@Angninjin224 ай бұрын
    • That's a really good point, and a critical flaw of Wish's story. Asha was a happy and fortunate girl who got told "no" ONCE and then she wished upon a star and started a revolution over it. Tiana worked her butt off for her dream, Cinderella put up with horrible things before she got her wishes, etc

      @astorrhymemaster@astorrhymemaster4 ай бұрын
    • @@astorrhymemaster Tiana and Cinderella are true role models. Asha is just a spoilt character disguised as a “good” guy.

      @txwtw@txwtw4 ай бұрын
    • Yeah, I see Tiana as the anti-thesis to Wish. It goes straight against what this movie is saying. Tianas story is about realizing that what you need is more important than what you want. Sure, Tiana got what she wanted too, but she first had to work hard for it and then give it up, it made her truly worthy of it. Wish is just a confused mess...but it didnt need to be. It could have intertwined right along with the lessons of Tiana, but right now it goes right against it, which is so weird because its also trying to say the star sprite is the wishing star of Tiana, aka Evangeline. These people didnt know what the eff they were doing!

      @Sakuyamon@Sakuyamon4 ай бұрын
    • I want to defend Asha, but I honestly have no idea what quality you'd give her in one of those edits about princesses' main quality. Like kindness for Snow White, patience for Cinderella, curiosity for Ariel, bravery for Mulan and so forth... what's Asha's thing?

      @miticaBEP07@miticaBEP074 ай бұрын
    • Asha doesn't even go through a character arc, not even a "you had what you wanted already". Her and everyone in the kingdom just wanted their wishes to be handed to them for free and with zero effort on their part

      @barbararab6390@barbararab63904 ай бұрын
  • What I caught is how they ignore the doubles. Like when Asha sings about running and doesn't start running. Or when she sings about something coming down but _thats_ the high note. This adds to the whole disconnect between song and movie even further. "More than this" is then the extreme case of it. Because they don't show how "this" is bad. Someone sweeping their courtyard isn't negative. And you cant have a whole song about how great the city of Rosas is and how happy people are to live there.... And then don't elaborate on what the "this" in "more than this" is.

    @GrayShadowOfNight@GrayShadowOfNight4 ай бұрын
  • Nice video, thanks for making. And at 10:40 I think we get a glimpse of why Julia's lyrics are so sketchy. She says there that the protagonist wants to 'fight for things that she found immoral'... Yeah, you don't fight FOR things you find immoral, you fight against them, and FOR things you want to see in the world. It's a nitpick, and likely just a slip of the tongue, but it suggests her command of language isn't everything it could be.

    @laureate90@laureate904 ай бұрын
    • Exactly. That was so reminiscent of "Throw caution to every warning sign"

      @ella-gz4fj@ella-gz4fj4 ай бұрын
    • Or the “having freedom in my bones, but still got the lid on” bit. Like ???

      @Meimoons@Meimoons4 ай бұрын
    • Nice catch. Prepositions are tiny but mighty. They direct verbs and decide meaning. She also writes, “I’ve got reservations and hesitations / On where I should even begin.” “About” is the correct word here. As you and other commenters make clear, these details add up.

      @edoboleyn@edoboleyn4 ай бұрын
    • @@Meimoons Hey, some of us have DIED of bone-freedom overflowing our bone-lids. 😭 Then the freedom starts to overflow and threatens to enter the bloodstream. The bone-lids-you know, the lids that keep things inside our bones-weaken. We have to be hospitalized with severe, life-threatening levels of bone-freedom. The bone lids pop off. All the bone-freedom becomes blood-freedom, and the immune system responds. The body attacks itself. It’s tragic. They made a House episode about it. People thought it was lupus, but they threw caution to the warning signs.

      @edoboleyn@edoboleyn4 ай бұрын
    • ​@@edoboleyn It's never lupus, even with that one magician. It was bone-freedom overdose.

      @flickcentergaming680@flickcentergaming6803 ай бұрын
  • That bit where Julia talks about what Disney gave her to go off with to make this song really answered something I've been wondering for a while now, cause ever since listening to Wish's sountrack, I've been listening to lot of the Disney Channel Original Movies' soundtrack, because while they may not be everyone's cup of tea, they do have their own charm, and I'm wondering what they made them work (not saying the Disney Channel formula would've worked for Wish. I highly doubt it honestly). Now I realize, for the most part, you can tell that either the songs were made specifically with the movies in mind, or they wrote stories out of the songs. Either way, they had synergy. One was made for the other. This Wish meanwhile was made with a vague prompt that Disney decided to insert in the final product that really doesn't fit what the song is going for.

    @ride-playerbb2818@ride-playerbb28184 ай бұрын
  • The way Lin is managing to get used as a good example in this video tells a clear thing, You cant jsut use a song writer because they've worked on other things that have become popular, they have to understand and their music has to fit your vision of what your making. He worked for Encanto, he saw the vision and connected in a way to make songs that worked The same didn't happen when he worked on Little Mermaid. and obviously the music writers of Wish had no connection because they had quite literally never written a musical before and so had no idea what they were actually doing, they just wrote pop songs with the vague concepts given to them.

    @shellinsanity9936@shellinsanity99364 ай бұрын
    • He knew what he wanted he even changed Bruno's original name Oscar to Bruno so that it fits into the song. Hence the lyrics Bruno no no no and it's perfect

      @moon7shinev150@moon7shinev1504 ай бұрын
  • It's so weird how accurate it is to say that this is a pop song, because this definitely does not feel like it fits in with the Broadway repertoire. It's almost as weird as my compulsion to subscribe to you now after having watched a couple of your analysis videos

    @Moomoomaniac@Moomoomaniac4 ай бұрын
  • I can’t wait to see you do At All Costs. Which is my personal favorite of the soundtrack and I cannot take it seriously in context. Because it wasn’t written for the specific context.

    @SpiderkillersInc@SpiderkillersInc4 ай бұрын
    • The accuracy!!

      @egg_bun_@egg_bun_4 ай бұрын
  • A huge issue with Disney is they haven’t quite realized how much streaming has changed the game. People aren’t going to spend money to see “safe” movies in theaters because they know it’ll just end up on streaming in a couple months. Innovative movies where you can’t completely predict what’s going to happen is what will get people to come to the theater to watch the movie.

    @HelenaIsis616@HelenaIsis6164 ай бұрын
    • Totally agree

      @Juupitrr@Juupitrr4 ай бұрын
    • This is the point right here. also schaffrillas productions agrees

      @andrewqi6695@andrewqi66954 ай бұрын
    • Even as someone who is a fan of the movies from this studio, I really hope that the serious rivalry they’re getting from other studios will convince them to actually improve. I’d like to mention that Iger is gonna get replaced again this year, so I’m praying that the next CEO, while likely not great, is better than the two Bobs at his job

      @amyvasquez4268@amyvasquez42683 ай бұрын
  • THANK YOU - I was looking for an explanation/analysis for why this song felt so awkward. I'm a (casual) musician and it was so difficult for me to detect a pulse until the chorus, where the use of duplets throws the pulse off for me. It took me looking at a transcribed score for me to figure out its time signature, and even so it kind of felt like stretch. While it might be a skill issue, the rhythms are super awkward and make zero sense to me. I would be really interested in seeing a behind-the-scenes look into the production of this soundtrack, because it would be great to develop my breadth as a musician and fully understand the motivations behind these musical choices. I am however actually going to watch the movie tomorrow so maybe something will be revealed there 👋😭

    @sesame1715@sesame17154 ай бұрын
    • Same expect I'm not a musician at all. But I could definitely tell something was so bland and weird about the song. I even like the instrumentals but I knew something was off with everything else.

      @whitedogsblackcats@whitedogsblackcats4 ай бұрын
  • Anything that gives Tangled the series more praise makes me happy

    @RahRizzle123@RahRizzle1234 ай бұрын
    • Same!

      @AdventureGirl-zn4wc@AdventureGirl-zn4wc4 ай бұрын
  • I have to say that I LOVE Waiting on a Miracle... It might even be one of the most relatable I Want songs I've ever heard, Stephanie Beatriz's tone makes it feel like Maribel starts as lamenting and ends up demanding, making a stand, I feel like she understands things better as the song progresses. And ending in a sad point is so special in a story where the conflict is toxicity within family. Regarding I Can Go the Distance, rather than becoming a hero (which he didn't know he had to do until after he spoke with Zeus) I think it's ultimately about fitting in, and the will to do whatever it takes to find his place. I guess it's interesting that these two, as well as My Reflection, are basically my favorite examples of I Want songs. I like it when there is a deeper problem latent behind the words, like an underlying theme that speaks to the characters individually.

    @dubitataugustinus@dubitataugustinus4 ай бұрын
    • Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't she sing Waiting on a Miracle while in labor? That's pretty impressive.

      @rosykindbunny1313@rosykindbunny13133 ай бұрын
    • @@rosykindbunny1313 That's what I've heard o.o and while it sounds impossible, I wouldn't put it pass Stephanie Beatriz. It really sounds like she is going through a breakthrough!

      @dubitataugustinus@dubitataugustinus3 ай бұрын
  • As a spectator that has very little knowledge in creating music, I feel like This Wish and This is the Thanks I Get were placed in the movie to be similar to We Dont Talk About Bruno in most every way. The thing that made that specific song a good radio hit along with being a good song for the movie was that it was unable to be placed sooner or later in the story. It is a neat form of exposition that transitions the audience from Mirabels dad finding out about the shards to right when dinner starts with the family and Isabela's boyfriend while also staying interesting throughout by giving prominent family members and a few towns floks opinions on a character that was actively being avoided by the story and changing the tone of the music with every major opinion being shared.And then once the setting changes for the next scene mid song, they continue with the final verse while setting up the table and having the prominent family members sing their verses again but together in a singing technique that i heard was called a "Madrigal". It stays intresting not only while listening to it but while researching why its so good and catchy. Wish was made to emulate it without the reasoning for the songs to be in the script.

    @natecgames4612@natecgames46124 ай бұрын
    • Not to mention “I’ve got reservations and hesitations” is nowhere near as good as “i can lead with pride, I can make us strong.” … “Challenges that find me” “Come find me” It’s just a totally rip off.

      @Mysterious-Night@Mysterious-Night4 ай бұрын
  • It sounds like if someone genuinely started singing in the woods with no prep

    @Aiden_Person2217@Aiden_Person22174 ай бұрын
  • Here for any and all analysis of Tangled the Series' music. It's so slept on and it's so very good.

    @Danul623@Danul6234 ай бұрын
    • Definitely helps that they’ve got Alen Menken on it

      @amyvasquez4268@amyvasquez42683 ай бұрын
  • Usually an I Want song is supposed to specify what the character actually wants, and "more than this" does not say anything. And the lyrics are so clunky it's impossible to understand wtf she's saying ⅓ of the time

    @handlebecauseihaveto@handlebecauseihaveto4 ай бұрын
    • Heck, even Cats, the musical that famously doesn't have an I Want song until the end of Act 1, still has a functional I Want song. And that's especially impressive, since the Act 1 version is labeled a prelude, with the full version not even coming until the musical's almost over

      @justineberlein5916@justineberlein59164 ай бұрын
    • The "I'm past..." couplet in the bridge is particularly outrageous. As a songwriter, you have to really try and pace the lyrics in an outlandishly counter-intuitive way, in order to make Ariana DeBose's Broadway-grade diction produce the jumbled mess that those two lines become when sung.

      @emalaw1329@emalaw13293 ай бұрын
    • @@justineberlein5916 According to Sideways, the "I Want" song is actually "Memories": "TOUCH ME! IT'S SO EASY TO LEAVE ME!"

      @maddenboseroy4074@maddenboseroy407414 күн бұрын
  • It's so wild that they're chasing another chart-topper by making a vague and "universal" pop song, when "We Don't Talk About Bruno" is one of the most specific and musical theatre-y songs the Disney canon has had in a decade.

    @wbuck@wbuck4 ай бұрын
  • I also really liked the line "If I could just be pointed in any given direction on where to go and what to do". Nice and ranty. It seems they knew she didn't have a clear goal and just ran with it which is what made her such a weak protagonist

    @brainless_mastermind@brainless_mastermind4 ай бұрын
  • Tangled animated series had no business being that good and yet it IS. Seconding the waiting in the wings 🔥

    @peachbunnii@peachbunnii4 ай бұрын
    • Yeah, my favourite has to be Ready As I'll Ever Be, with Nothing Left To Lose not far behind. I love Ready As I'll Ever Be so much, but I wish Varian had the whole song to himself because he definitely deserved that villain song.

      @AdventureGirl-zn4wc@AdventureGirl-zn4wc4 ай бұрын
    • Wish could never

      @MurphyLawdensC0ckSVcker@MurphyLawdensC0ckSVckerАй бұрын
  • It’s so crazy to me that they kept the music vague so it could be played on the radio when We Don’t Talk About Bruno is so plot-specific but was a huge hit

    @freyamary2072@freyamary20724 ай бұрын
  • “So I make this wish” Girl, what wish? I don’t know what you’re wishing for?? You haven’t said???

    @cadyfitzgerald3273@cadyfitzgerald32733 ай бұрын
  • When pointing out the odd time signatures, I think it's important to note that How Far I'll Go had a 4/4 time signature change because it wanted to show how regimental and boring Moana felt taking on the role as chief would be. It's made even clearer by the fact that when she returns to the original time signature, she sounds so excited and happy (because ocean woo) whereas in Wish it just sounds... Messy?

    @fayorieana@fayorieana4 ай бұрын
    • There's no time signature change in How Far I'll Go though, it's 4/4 all the way through. If you mean when the drums kick in on "I can lead with pride...", it's only the accents in the rhythm that change. what happens in This Wish, on the other hand, is a bona fide switch from a 3-time to a 4-time, which are counted and felt in an almost entirely different way. I see however what you mean, about the changes having an actual storytelling purpose in the songwriting for Moana. In this, it just sounds like the songwriter was getting bored.

      @emalaw1329@emalaw13293 ай бұрын
  • Disney peaked with their I want songs with Bufords song from Phineas and Ferb. It goes like: *IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII* *WAAAAAANT* nothin'

    @borikidor@borikidor4 ай бұрын
    • LMAO

      @aaronbeasley974@aaronbeasley9742 ай бұрын
  • honestly I'm really worried for the future of animated musicals.. if Disney can't even get it right anymore, idk...

    @rana-hb3yt@rana-hb3yt4 ай бұрын
    • the better artists are at studios that dont restrict them or rush them as insanely as disney does so while disney goes down the crapper other animated musicals might not. especially since Wish flopped embarrassingly, everyone knows not to mimic it to make money or fame. plus theres always indie.

      @stephanos6128@stephanos61284 ай бұрын
    • @@stephanos6128 NO art form should be rushed. Look at Spider-Verse: they cooked with both films.

      @maddenboseroy4074@maddenboseroy407414 күн бұрын
    • @@maddenboseroy4074 Idk what to tell you Spiderverse was definitely rushed, they just didnt mis-managed as bad as Wish so it didn't turn out like dogshit.

      @stephanos6128@stephanos612813 күн бұрын
  • I like that point about For the First Time in Forever being entirely context-dependent. It just reminded me how good Frozen 1's music was. To this day 'Do you wanna build a snowman' becoming a popular hit still baffles me because that song is not structured like a pop song at ALL but the Lopezes are just such talented songwriters that it worked.

    @caoisekamay1175@caoisekamay11754 ай бұрын
    • While "Do You Wanna Build a Snowman" was context dependent, there was enough vagueness that it could be taken out of context. And boy did they take it out of context - "Do you wanna #&@% a snowman?", anyone?

      @maddenboseroy4074@maddenboseroy407414 күн бұрын
  • I never knew people hated Lin Manuel Miranda songs 😭

    @winifredeghrudje9427@winifredeghrudje94274 ай бұрын
    • Eh...Lin @ his best is "Hamilton" Lin @ his worse is "Scuttlebutt." Lin has very specific style, but that style doesn't really work for the classic Disney musical. Lin Manuel Miranda does a great job of creating "pop" songs that are digestable to a larger audience, but it's..a far cry from what Disney used to be...

      @ArmednotTriggered@ArmednotTriggered4 ай бұрын
    • @@ArmednotTriggered oh I know scuttlebutt is terrible encanto and moana slaps

      @winifredeghrudje9427@winifredeghrudje94274 ай бұрын
    • It's a less of a hatred of Lin's songs, and more of the corporations that saw hpw popular his songs became and decided "We must copy this for everything going forward"

      @ShadowKamehameha32@ShadowKamehameha324 ай бұрын
    • I was mostly soured on him from Hamilton being goddamn everywhere for a while. I think it being pushed on me so hard turned me from indifference to open dislike. His musical style is fine, I guess, but it's way too pop for me to actually like.

      @herpderp3916@herpderp39164 ай бұрын
    • i love them sm

      @SizzlingSocks@SizzlingSocks4 ай бұрын
  • 11:17 The way her hair keeps magically coming back on her shoulder, it's killing me. 😂😂🤣

    @shizukagozen777@shizukagozen7774 ай бұрын
  • OH GOD THANK YOU I swear I thought I was losing my mind. So many people cited this as the "good song" from Wish but it's just so incredibly awkward and sounds overly wordy at times. I didn't have the full knowledge to explain it all, so I'm glad someone like you can break it down like this! I also think the demo version of the track sounds a bit better, I think the type of vocal artist they used for the demo suited it more and made it seem a touch less awkward (albeit the issues are still present, just less notable to me)

    @jaceybella1267@jaceybella12674 ай бұрын
    • The demmo is sung by Julia

      @user-ne6di4hj3h@user-ne6di4hj3h4 ай бұрын
    • The one Ariana Debose song at the d23 in 2022 (the demo version) is so much better. While it still has bad lyrics, the vocals and the music made it sound more alive AND more Disney

      @cupcakKe_express@cupcakKe_express4 ай бұрын
    • I’ve heard better Disney songs. Heck I would rather listen to Disney Renaissance songs as they are more memorable than, whatever This Wish is

      @JonathanGaeta@JonathanGaeta4 ай бұрын
    • id say at all costs is the best song but to me it feels like a cut song from a previous film or a demo they never used and just. threw it in here bc

      @iwakeupandboomimarat@iwakeupandboomimarat4 ай бұрын
    • @@iwakeupandboomimarat for real tho, at all costs is definitely the best song on the soundtrack but it makes next to no sense in context! It's a love song, you can't just change a single word and call that good! My theory is that it was made for Wish, though. I've heard in early concepts that the Star character was a Star Boy and love interest for the main character. I really think the song was going to be their big love song. God I wish we got to see that concept on screen

      @jaceybella1267@jaceybella12674 ай бұрын
  • in defense of lin-manuel, when he rhymes things together, he actually takes note of how the song progresses in melody, what to put emphasis on, how many syllables there are per beat, and it flows well because of it. wish doesn't really do that, and constantly breaks any patterns it tries to set up with melody, rhyme scheme, emphasis. so much so that i just end up lost, and wondering what they were even going for in the first place.

    @justsomeboredsithlord4320@justsomeboredsithlord43202 ай бұрын
    • That defense of Lin works to defend Eminem as well.

      @maddenboseroy4074@maddenboseroy407414 күн бұрын
    • @@maddenboseroy4074 mhm! both are good at their craft :DD

      @justsomeboredsithlord4320@justsomeboredsithlord432013 күн бұрын
  • Honestly what drives me insane about the omnipresent guitar is that in Encanto it at least feels natural because the community is in Columbia and the guitar seems to follow what the characters are singing as if it was part of their vocal chords like Moana, but in Wish it feels like the guitar was crammed down Asha’s throat with the grace of stampeding elephants and I *hate it.* It’s so forced and corporate like the rest of the movie that I’m kind of surprised that the villain wasn’t some twisted Bob Iger analogue ala Shrek.

    @eatatjoes6751@eatatjoes67514 ай бұрын
    • According to Ray Greene for The AV Club, Magnifico might be.

      @maddenboseroy4074@maddenboseroy407414 күн бұрын
  • Even AI couldn't make something this bad, it had to be Disney

    @anoopkashyap401@anoopkashyap401Ай бұрын
    • fr tho

      @the3cryers758@the3cryers758Ай бұрын
    • This is like the biggest insult I can think of and I love it

      @mangledfoxy2052@mangledfoxy2052Ай бұрын
  • What did I miss, that people tend to hate Lin so much? He's really good with rhythm and lyrics. He's perfect for musical stuff, no? And the songs he made for Moana and encanto are not just catchy, but suit characters and story really well

    @GrayShadowOfNight@GrayShadowOfNight4 ай бұрын
    • People are just gonna hate to hate

      @moon7shinev150@moon7shinev1504 ай бұрын
    • I think people have the right to like or dislike Lin's music, but I personally do not understand it, because most of the stuff he writes I think it's amazing

      @yay29823@yay298234 ай бұрын
    • @@yay29823 oh yea for sure, I definitely don't argue about personal preference. But I thought maybe there's a reason why the trend is going towards dislike

      @GrayShadowOfNight@GrayShadowOfNight4 ай бұрын
    • @@GrayShadowOfNight I think there is, maybe it's because he's everywhere

      @yay29823@yay298234 ай бұрын
    • I love him, but sometimes his particular style doesn’t match a character or a song. He does have some very signature moves that can become a little gimmicky and annoying if done improperly

      @dionysusfilms165@dionysusfilms1654 ай бұрын
  • It's interesting - and perhaps a little scary - to me that this film is so lacking in self-awareness. It's a film with a villain whose entire schtick is making the populace bland and generic, and then it's written in a way that seems to believe "mass appeal" comes from expressing feelings but never events, contexts, or memories. That is, it assumes the masses it's attempting to appeal to are the kind of society you'd get when the villain was winning.

    @TheKarishi@TheKarishi4 ай бұрын
  • holy SHIT when you popped back to "how far I'll go" for the time signature change I GASPED 😂 you're so good at articulating certain issues with songs that untrained ears or those of us with little musical knowledge could *hear*, but not explain. Your videos are so satisfying because you voice a frustration that I have with a lot of these modern disney songs but could never really properly explain. So many of us grew up adoring disney musicals that still absolutely hold up because of how well written and composed they are-- and the huge dip in quality over the years sometimes feels maddening. I've been binging your videos for the past couple days and I'm super looking forward to listening to whatever you'd dissect next!

    @baysidesuixide@baysidesuixide4 ай бұрын
  • Spot-on analysis as usual, Wish is so utterly tragic as a 100th year anniversary film for Disney it's heartbreaking. Another thing I noticed about the transition into the "Grand chorus" like Moana was the running animation at 9:36 is also almost a 1 to 1 copy of a similar scene in How Far I'll Go when Moana starts running lol. This level of copying was understandable for Robin Hood when the company was in dire financial straits but they have NO excuse today. Not that you're lacking in Disney content to analyse lately but have you considered checking out the 'competition' that is starting to crop up in fanworks online? Things like Hazbin Hotel/Helluva Boss with their big theatrical 'Broadway' musical numbers etc? I'd also recommend Gildedguy's work but most of his animations are only set to existing songs rather than original works so might not be as worthy of analysis from a songwriting perspective.

    @Shadalan1@Shadalan14 ай бұрын
    • Asha's hair wasn't even rendered correctly as she was running!

      @nevaehhamilton3493@nevaehhamilton34934 ай бұрын
    • Balders Gate 3 had a better villain song than an actual Disney movie

      @genericname2747@genericname27474 ай бұрын
    • @genericname2747 memento mori, friend

      @mxveewz@mxveewz4 ай бұрын
    • @@mxveewz unus annus

      @genericname2747@genericname27474 ай бұрын
  • I’m so happy you mentioned “Waiting in the Wings.” Tangled: The Series has some great songs! 😃

    @fictionwithphoebe@fictionwithphoebe4 ай бұрын
  • Going back to Disney's old roots, Alan Menken would've been the natural choice. Plus he's the king of reprises.

    @kingdingaling6516@kingdingaling65164 ай бұрын
    • Seriously WHY didn’t they get him for Wish?! This is their big 100th anniversary musical… I don’t think he would’ve made the movie a lot better tho, the story would still be awful

      @amyvasquez4268@amyvasquez42683 ай бұрын
  • Bob Iger intentionally sabatoged Wish for no reason and he said that this honors Walt…………….Screw Bob for saying that garbage. This would have made Walt furious. Walt would want Disney to go forward. Not backwards.

    @crashban4t.f.s.b783@crashban4t.f.s.b7834 ай бұрын
    • From what I’ve seen from the concept art. For example the star was going to be human and the king and queen were gonna be duo villains, all of this would’ve made the movie good, flawed yes, but good. Instead all of that got scrapped where the star looks like the love child of Kirby and a Luma, the villain is the most bland Disney villain including the worst Disney Villain song where I would rather listen to Be Prepared or Hellfire.

      @JonathanGaeta@JonathanGaeta4 ай бұрын
    • His "keep moving forward" WAS the basis for Meet the Robinsons.

      @maddenboseroy4074@maddenboseroy407414 күн бұрын
    • I changed my mind on Wish. The 100th anniversary movie shouldn’t have been a princess movie. It should have been something else.

      @crashban4t.f.s.b783@crashban4t.f.s.b78313 күн бұрын
  • YES! DIG INTO THIS ONE LETS GOOOOOOO

    @MacaldaReye@MacaldaReye4 ай бұрын
  • FINALLY someone talking about metre in music!!! all the discussion about the music in this movie seems to be coming from people who don't know why the good songs are good -- they just say it sounds 'AI generated'. But what they mean is, it doesn't sound natural because the lyrics are poorly composed. The poetry just isn't there. Thanks for making this video!

    @jamesofglory@jamesofglory4 ай бұрын
    • As a songwriter myself I cannot bear to have a lyric that sounds unneven. I'll fuck with the syntax JUST to make it sound more pleasing, because I'd rather sound like yoda than write a lyric that feels like missing a step on the staircase.

      @jamesofglory@jamesofglory4 ай бұрын
    • ​@@jamesofglory The way you worded that is hilarious but so true

      @raccoonchild@raccoonchild4 ай бұрын
  • After the disaster of Wish, I WISH people will now stop complaining about Encanto. Because at least the damn movie had good songs for everyone. We Don't Talk About Bruno now makes more sense as to why it was everywhere back then... BECAUSE IT WAS A GOOD SONG (Every song that is good WILL be overly-played and it just makes sense that people will end up disliking it soon after) Encanto was more of a musical at one point, and I do understand the disappointment of basically "no villain" in it, but at least they made a great job at their songs and... generational trauma 💀

    @EternalCherryMerry@EternalCherryMerry4 ай бұрын
  • The amazing reverse I Want song from The Guy Who Didn't Like Musicals, "What Do You Want Paul?", perfectly explains why a protagonist needs a clear goal/want, which is what the I Want song is for: "So what do you want Paul? What's that one, concrete goal that motivates all your actions?" "I don't think I have one of those!" "Well then, how is anyone supposed to SYMPATHISE with you Paul?"

    @Mathee@Mathee4 ай бұрын
  • My theory "This Wish" doesn't sound as good and why the artist wasn't involved is because the plot kept changing so many times throughout development that they couldn't really even decide on what leads up to that 'I want' song so they just commissioned a vague one so if they changed the plot for the millionth time, they wouldn't need to commission a rewrite. I think that goes for ALL the songs in Wish, because At All Costs is clearly a cut love song from when the star was a whimsical boy Asha had a romance with, but they kept it because they realized they needed to find a way to use all the generic songs they commissioned so they made this weird as hell context where Magnifico and Asha are romantically singing about the wishes??? I dunno, this movie screams corporate meddling at every turn.

    @WeebaLu@WeebaLu4 ай бұрын
  • Great videos, if you continue these analysis of wish you should analyze “At all cost” and how it actually succeeds at being a love song…. Which in turn means it fails entirely because it’s a duet between the hero and the villain (who is both older and married) towards some floating orbs It’s kinda a weird reverse “let it go” situation, where it started as a villain song but how it ended up made them change the film entirely but here it’s the opposite situation

    @christopherauzenne5023@christopherauzenne50234 ай бұрын
    • But even “At All Costs” is awkward. Another pointed this out down to the lyrics not making sense.

      @Meimoons@Meimoons4 ай бұрын
    • @@Meimoons fair enough, but still it atleast feels like an awkward song from a musical and not like an awkward pop song forced into a musical

      @christopherauzenne5023@christopherauzenne50234 ай бұрын
    • @@Meimoons How do the lyrics not make sense?

      @maddenboseroy4074@maddenboseroy407414 күн бұрын
  • I've been on a weird binge of critical takedowns of Wish and this is hands down one of the best song breakdowns I've seen yet. Well researched, well scripted and well edited! Will be watching more from this channel.

    @laurenwoods3609@laurenwoods36094 ай бұрын
  • Can I marry your brain? Your analysis is always so detailed yet clear and understandable. I just love the way you hand communicate and the addition of your emotional tone communicates your feelings on the song and what you are talking about.

    @matthew-005@matthew-0054 ай бұрын
    • I think her brain is already taken, sorry

      @ThatWackyWaffle@ThatWackyWaffle4 ай бұрын
    • "Can I marry your brain?" 🤣

      @imthebossmermaid3648@imthebossmermaid36484 ай бұрын
    • @@imthebossmermaid3648 Have you never admired someone just for there mind? It kinda like only liking someone for their body but instead of their looks it's just their mind you like I love the way her mind works.

      @matthew-005@matthew-0054 ай бұрын
    • @@matthew-005 Ofc I have, I just found the wording funny, that's all.

      @imthebossmermaid3648@imthebossmermaid36484 ай бұрын
    • @@imthebossmermaid3648 Hey if it gave you a laugh fine by me. Also what is ofc?

      @matthew-005@matthew-0054 ай бұрын
  • This whole situation reminds me of Show Yourself from Frozen 2 - it was a beautiful song and felt empowering to listen to, but it never decided what it was actually about. Even in behind the scenes videos, every person responsible for the song seemed to have a different interpretation of what the song was about and what the fifth spirit was intended to be. Frozen got away with it because it had beautiful musical direction and you know, is Frozen, but Wish didn't have much going for it even before it came out. The lyrics are vague and rhythmically awkward and the melody sounds like the first draft you write while listening to a backing track, not the final version.

    @Marigold11037@Marigold110374 ай бұрын
  • I just want to say that the architecture of the tower the main character is singing on at 8:03 makes as much sense as the structure of this song. I had to pause the video and do a double and triple take of this tower. Why is there a random archway that comes down in the middle of the stairs? Why is there a narrow room in the tower that facilitates such a weirdly placed window? Where do those stairs on the left go to? Why is the roof positioned so that rainwater and debris will immediately fall onto the balcony and the people walking on it instead of extending over the railing? At another angle the tower seems to be rather book shaped, so what is its possible purpose? Why does it look like the railing on the right doesn’t go along the stairs coming up? This architecture is as half baked as this movie.

    @pmf98@pmf984 ай бұрын
    • There’s the AI talk about the script and songs, this tower looks like someone 3D modeled a piece of architecture in an AI generated image’s background, in that it’s very “I guess it resembles a tower” until you look at the details thrown together

      @papershadow@papershadow4 ай бұрын
  • My first time hearing this song was Ariana DeBose singing this for Disney's Christmas Day Parade (which is hardly a parade, but I digress). She was surely giving it her all, but I couldn't help to think to myself "this song sounds really awkward" and it felt half finished. Thank you for breaking down and putting into words just why this song fell so flat!

    @reistellae@reistellae4 ай бұрын
  • Wow every time you cut to a different song I have whiplash from how much better they are

    @dradel2050@dradel20504 ай бұрын
  • I almost wonder if they intentionally set up Wish to fail, as a way to say "see look the more traditional disney movies dont sell well". But thats just a theory, a film theory!

    @crowposting@crowposting4 ай бұрын
  • The Moana comparisons make me feel validated when I hear This is the Thanks I Get as a cheap knockoff of You're Welcome.

    @redtailarts101@redtailarts1014 ай бұрын
    • The tried so hard a Lin Manuel Miranda without him

      @mane53017@mane530174 ай бұрын
  • The Monkey's Paw joke at 6:14 actually had me laughing xD

    @ingtapoot@ingtapoot4 ай бұрын
  • The parallels between how far I'll go had be chuckling so hard I've never been into music but I've really been enjoying the breakdowns on this channel

    @kaleidico@kaleidico4 ай бұрын
  • I feel that the ultimate issue with the song is that the protagonist’s (I forgot her name) is vague and abstract that the song feels almost pointless. Moana wanted to explore the seas, Quasimodo wanted to go outside, Hercules wanted to become a hero and the protagonist of Wish wants… her grandfather’s vague wish to be granted. Every other character’s desire is clear and tangible while being something the audience can understand and relate to. But the desire of a unclear and murky wish, is entirely unrelatable because it isn’t rooted in any desire that can realistically be achieved.

    @plunkdaddy4505@plunkdaddy45054 ай бұрын
    • The protagonist’s name is… A… something. Just call her ‘Uninteresting Secondary Antagonist’

      @ThatWackyWaffle@ThatWackyWaffle4 ай бұрын
  • The lyrics of the songs in this movie are so bad. Come back Howard Ashman! We need you!

    @hannahbrennan2131@hannahbrennan21314 ай бұрын
    • RIP Howard Ashman 😢😢

      @katedillon1977@katedillon19774 ай бұрын
    • Howard Ashman is rolling in his grave seeing Wish’s soundtrack 💀

      @txwtw@txwtw4 ай бұрын
    • I don't think even an AI Howard Ashman could right this shipwreck

      @EthalaRide@EthalaRide4 ай бұрын
    • As much as I enjoy Lin, we need ANOTHER good and experienced musical song producer to join Disney and shape them back up like how Ashman and Menken did. Or even better, multiple of them. I remember seeing one reviewer I follow suggest the Hadestown people

      @amyvasquez4268@amyvasquez42683 ай бұрын
    • @@amyvasquez4268 exactly, i’m getting tired of Lin. We need someone different

      @txwtw@txwtw3 ай бұрын
  • You made a really good point in regards to the song not being specific enough to the story. I've actually had it on repeat for a few weeks now, not because I'm super into it (although I do quite like how it sounds), but because it reminds me of my OCs. It reminds me a lot of the story I've crafted for them and what they're going through, so I often listen and imagine they're singing it because it's so easy for me to insert their story into it. Thing is, I've never really been able to do that with the other Disney 'I Want' songs (the closest I've come is Waiting On a Miracle but even then that's just bits and pieces) because it's so hard to divorce them from their original context. So while I do enjoy listening to the song and thinking about my characters, you are right that it sounds more like a pop song about a generic situation than a musical song about something specific

    @ultraviolet0421@ultraviolet04214 ай бұрын
  • Disney has stained Julia's reputation! She was tasked to write this song when the plot wasn't even developed so she had not much context to go on. The demo she wrote literally drove Disney in making decisions for the plot. She is a great songwriter and the best there is but she was set up to fail.

    @Pedro_Yu@Pedro_Yu3 ай бұрын
  • I never thought I'd see the day... this is the first Disney movie that I am afraid of even seeing in English. Every translation I understand and have heard of Wish's songs just elevates this movie. I remember listening to This Wish for the first time, super happy because I love Ariana DeBose in West Side Story, and it was so... underwhelming. Not only was she rushing and having difficulty setting the rhythm from the 1st line, but in her live performance at Disney World I was even flabbergasted at how weird she sounded! She probably felt the necessity or was told to sing like that, but on the "started running" line all I could think was "girl, the guitar is there, you don't need to sing its part too 😆". I also felt that she was adding unnecessary emphasis the whole time, but I hadn't seen the movie. I guess now I understand she tried to add emphasis because there was none. How do you drive home a point you can't actually make through the lyrics? So far, I love Italy and Spain's translations best. In Italian, Asha says that a "wish lit up inside [her]". It's not the most creative, but I think is a lot more poetic, that she didn't know she had a wish to make in the past and the happenings around her led her to that. I feel that's kinda how wishes work and it sounds really beautiful In Castilian, Asha wants to "give our wishes their power" and I feel this is the most amazing translation and, in part, helps write out some of this movie's flaws. Magnifico is keeping their wishes captive in a way, but if you wish to help those around you, shouldn't you be allowed to? If you wish to invent something new that helps people, shouldn't you be able to? Sure, a better lesson would be to wish, but also to work to towards achieving your wish, but I can't say that past movies have gone that deep on their lessons either 😅 I feel this translation especially ties it all very beautifully during the reprise. The whole town wants to feel their wishes have power, that they're not just whims to ask stars or rulers.

    @cisa_m@cisa_m4 ай бұрын
  • I love how well you try to both deliver constructive criticism as well as explain parts of songwriting to someone like me wouldn't fully understand such things normally. I also love the 'I will find my way' acknowledgement since I see a lot of people commonly gloss over it. I would be interested to hear your take on the show Centaurworld 🤔

    @LAPIS-vt7cl@LAPIS-vt7cl4 ай бұрын
  • Also, We Don't Talk About Bruno went number 1, and they literally just sing exposition at you in that song.

    @lukas_copy_1@lukas_copy_14 ай бұрын
    • yea but it sounds good

      @lightningvolt3150@lightningvolt31504 ай бұрын
  • This video has filled the Sideways-sized hole in my heart❤❤❤, thank you for another great analysis!

    @andreeadoca1550@andreeadoca15504 ай бұрын
  • Even I want songs that are a little more vague still have enough information to tell you what the character really wants. People make fun of Belle’s “I want adventure in the great wide somewhere” but the line that follows is way more telling, “and for once it might be grand to have someone understand”. She wants to meet someone she relates to, who doesn’t see her as odd because they understand her. And the lyrics before that are her venting about how much she hates Gaston. Even out of context it still makes sense

    @amethystimagination3332@amethystimagination33324 ай бұрын
    • I straight up went back to watch Belle and Belle's reprise since it's one of my favourites - you're right. Sure, her desires are on the vague side compared to Snow White, but she still has a clear idea that can be conveyed. Even in her vague lines early on of "wanting more than this provincial life", that's still way more specific than "something more than this" - it's a very clear statement that she is unsatisfied with her current position in life, rather than just a hand-wave of dissatisfaction.

      @MrJoeyWheeler@MrJoeyWheeler4 ай бұрын
  • I still contend that Poor Unfortunate Souls is one of the greatest Disney songs ever written. It compartmentalizes and beautifully showcases the ENTIRE “devils bargain” sequence of little mermaid. The fact that Alan menkin and Howard ashman are such bosses that they can introduce an entire villain, have her explain her plot, make us believe both characters motivations for entering into the contract are justified while giving us a banger of a tune is just peak classic Disney storytelling. Then there’s wish. The songwriter didn’t even know what the story was other than the character was an activist. Disney is a frail shadow of what it once was.

    @fersuvious@fersuvious3 ай бұрын
  • The more I look back at Wish and the more I learn about it's music, production, etc. the more you can *really* tell the writing (both of the story, characters, and songs) where made for like two or three different movies that then just sort of haphazardly was thrown together into one. Every song seem to have multiple themes and I can't tell if the song writers wasn't told what the movie was about, given a rough outline of the themes which then kept changing and they had to keep adapting the already written song to the new theme, or just had no idea what to do with the songs in general. A lot of this doesn't fall into a case of the writers being more used to pop songs, because most pop songs also have a consistent theme and at least cohesive lyrics and beats. The more I look in behind the scenes, the more... off it all feels.

    @Rodoet001@Rodoet0014 ай бұрын
  • The way you structure your video is just *chef’s kiss* i love music analysis videos that explain how songs work narratively (or don’t). Your work reminds me a lot of Sideway’s old videos. Keep it up!

    @thinkanewcolor5108@thinkanewcolor51084 ай бұрын
  • To me. Most songs need a kind of “if I hear a few words i should be able to guess the next one.” Through logic and reasoning you follow in your head with the Rhythm, I wish is bad due to that. For example, “I throw caution to the…” wind, right? Doesn’t it fit, not the larger song but logically? How bout caution sign, doesn’t feel right. If you can guess the next word as you sing along, it helps you remember and follow along much easier. It helps it be an ear worm because you in your head “helped” complete the song in your head. All of Wish’s song miss in that piece that I feel no one notices, but definitely feel.

    @Red_Steampunker@Red_Steampunker4 ай бұрын
  • i hope people never stop bashing this movie. maybe it'll finally force disney to stop the direction they've been going in and actually put heart in their movies again

    @thewoodlandcryptid@thewoodlandcryptid4 ай бұрын
  • I remember almost straining my ears while watching the movie because one side of my brain was like "Oooo pretty melody" and the other side was like "What is this girl TALKING about?!"

    @theflickchick9850@theflickchick98504 ай бұрын
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