LOKI: Trapped Forever or Returning in Avengers Secret Wars?
Is Loki trapped inside his Yggdrassil Time Tree FOREVER? Erik Voss explains how he’ll return! For Loki merch you can wear at any time (or in any time) head to: nerdriot.shop/collections/the...
The Loki finale ends with Loki becoming a god like the Greek titan Atlas to sacrifice himself to maintain the timeline in the shape of the Yggdrassil worlds tree. But does Loki have to stay in this place forever? Erik Voss explains what would have to happen for his escape in Avengers Secret Wars or beyond!
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I want see Loki again or at least Thor knowing Loki is the god of stories/time of god so Thor can be proud of his brother
I would love this. Thor would be sooo proud
As long they don’t shit on his journey.
Exactly
honestly this would also help thor deal with his depression of losing everyone that is close to him to find out his brother became the hero he always knew he could be
That's the secret. Thor has always been proud of Loki and thought the world of him.
Loki went from one of those characters I didn’t really care for, to being a character I can’t get enough of.
Exactly. I am just obsess with the finale and Loki's story
Me too. Love loki.
Same for me
Me too I mean I always sort of liked him but after Loki season one he's definitely my favorite. I like HWR & I liked Namor in BP2.
@@MindoftheNorthStarI'm o o older o
Somebody said in other videos talking about this series "Loki single-handedly carried the entire MCU literally and metaphorically" and that was a great comment. Loki's true glorious purpose in the MCU.
I just want Loki to hangout with Mobius every now and again.
Every day*
Loki is basically watching the greatest multiversal superhero film of all time
I really want Loki to stay around. What a characater.
He has to hug it out with Thor still, can't be the end!
Probably the best story arc in film if you think about it. 7 movies and 2 seasons.
I hope we see him again, it would be so cool
Look up avenge prime
wtf is a characater?
At the end, I thought he smiled slightly. Like he's looking at Mobius and happy for his friends. So he saves all timelines and people, and still in a manner, gets to see his friends. Which is what he wanted.
I just want Thor and Loki to have a reunion. With Thor thinking he was tricked again before Loki reveals to him all that has happened and the hero he has become.
Please 😭😭😭😭😭
Both. I feel like the easiest way to have Loki appear in the MCU again would simply be astral projection. There is no reason why he couldn't project himself into specific timelines & interact with people. Loki appearing to Thor & setting Thor on whatever path he needs to be on would, I think, be a very reasonable possibility.
i agree with that, but i really would like him to be able to make a physical projection cuz *i need* to see thor and loki give each other a hug.
@@lilypowwow9738 all I need is for Thor to say "I was wrong, the throne suits you well brother" 😭
@@pieceofgosa now i need that too😭😭😭!!
69th like.
I want that too now 😭
With Loki being able to replicate himself, he could definitely interact with anyone throughout time without having to leave. He could probably make a solid projection by now
He can control the timeslipping. It's not about when or where or why, it's about 'who.' As long as he's visiting someone he can identify, he can leave as he wants, and return to the same spot in (or out of) time in his throne.
wait that's such a good point, he never has to physically leave, he can just time slip to a different version of himself. well i at least assume that's how it would work
He is at the "end off time" like Kang was, and there is no time and no space. He is outside the time. He is now time him self. He can maby only project him self in those branches he hold but never phsichly go from there if he want that tree to live
@@tinmajdandzic6437 but now when he time slips does his body physically leave as if like flash time traveling and then he returns the same moment he left? because if so then theoretically he would never leave the tree right?
I think he is using all his power and will to hold time together. Replicating is not possible imo
If you had told me 10 years ago that Loki would be my favorite Marvel HERO, I would say you're crazy. But he is 💯. I hope we see him again in Secret Wars.
Ditto! I couldn’t stand Loki until the series and now I adore him.
Loki can use illusion projection but more importantly duplication casting. And now he has access to every timeline in the multiverse.
Does he though? We don't even know if he has the strand that was the sacred timeline. If the looms job was to prune all branches for the failsafe the sacred timeline is probably intact...he might just have the branches of the multiverse. Which makes sense if you think about it. Loki is protecting the branches, which has all these heroes...ripe for plucking, but imagine what people would think of heroes brought to the sacred timeline by Loki. Initial drama and fight until Thor realizes how changed his brother is....good concept I think
Haha I just rewatched the episode where he made it a point to explain that illusion projection and duplication casting are 2 different powers
At the end of the day, Marvel would be leaving a ton of money on the table if Loki's last appearance was on Disney+.
Wasn’t just Loki’s glorious purpose… it was everyone’s 🥲
In the original Norse mythology, Loki caused Baldur’s death. In revenge, Odin bound his brother Loki in the entrails of his own son, and IMPRISONED HIM UNDER THE WORLD TREE FOR ETERNITY.
odin was the father of Loki not brother in mythology
@@reillydougherty2166nope. In Norse mythology, Odin and Loki are blood brothers. So not biological brothers, but definitely not Father/Son
the mcu isnt mythology accurate lmao @@reillydougherty2166
Actually It's kinda ambiguous, on that, Odin I don't think got involved with Loki's punishment, but rather everyone else did.
Well yeah but it all happens under Odin, he literally sees all, its basically his approval and responsibility as a leader to make sure the others punish him so they dont act out right@@craytherlaygaming2852
Since Loki is connected to magpies in the comics, I would love to see magpies become his messengers while he is stuck in the tree. It would be a nice parallel to Odin's ravens.
Are you talking about Game of Thrones? 😂🤣
@@Pujastantono
How would he get them to listen to him in the first place?
I agree 100% that Loki is the most interesting person/God in this current iteration of Marvel.
He’s the MVP!
Loki is so powerful now that he can send a clone of himself in any universe at any time we could see Loki again at any point from now on
I think it's bittersweet for Loki. It takes somewhat of an effort to maintain the timelines, but he is in complete control. He could leave anytime, but he won't for his friends and knowing everyone needs him. I don't think he's in agony or anything, but he probably misses his friends.
What if Kang created this fate for Loki to take him out of play for a bigger battle down the line because he knew how strong he would become?
I definitely hope we'll see Loki & Sylvie again
I do too.
Maybe in secret wars , Kid Loki join in young Avengers too
Could you imagine how proud Odin would be?
Right now Loki is like the robot ghosts in Futurama's "The Honking." He's got access to uninsulated timeline wiring and can cast himself into any one of them. Once he figures this out, he'll be able to appear anywhere, any time.
I think Loki will make a return with a grand entrance like Thor had in Infinity War when they need him most.
loki has become infinitely powerful, it really would have to boil down to him having to be put against someone else infinitely powerful too, which i think was the plan with Kang. loki can literally control time and reality, can destroy entire universes at will. honestly they probably won't be able to use him anymore and it make sense.
@@SetZor666What if the beyonder appears and Loki appears to battle him since he is the main villain of secret wars comics.
Sadly only loki and his brother has kept me intrested in marvel for a long time now. What a crazy awesome finale episode one of the best episodes of tv I've ever seen.
I really want to see Loki again! MCU can't just leave him like this!
He might be in Deadpool 3.
But wait loki can also create projections of himself right? So he should be able to project in different realities
Frankly, if they left his story here I wouldn't be mad. If it's the ending, it's kind of a masterpiece. If they don't end it here, it's going to be a really hard act to follow.
Reveal Loki as Eternity, as he was always meant to be.
I agree. And the movies have not shown a willingness to seek down and out story first. They’re rocking the Disney touch of apathy at the moment.
@@yueshijoorya601When I watched Love & Thunder last and Valkyrie said the ‘centre of the universe’ I immediately thought of Loki.
@@vipe650rDisney saps the passion out of everything! 😢
@@ZyliceLiddell They didn't this time with Loki, but I wish I could disagree with you even a little bit. Loki almost feels like the exception that proves the rule. Makes you that much more aware of how much they have destroyed good the good storytelling in their properties and works. I'm glad Walt wasn't around to see this.
He returning and gonna kick some butt
I have not seen anyone suggest that Asguardians get more powerful the older they are and since Loki has been time hoping for 100s maybe 1000s of years maybe this is what gives him the ability to hold time since he is just that powerful?
But isn't Loki technically a frost giant & not of Asgard?
They definitely get more powerful as they age given characters like Odin Force Thor
@@KayyyRae he used to be the god of mischief??? *God* of mischief??
@KayyyRae the moment Odin adopted him, he's asgardian. He has whatever benefit an asgardian god has. Odin made him his son which in turns makes him a god.
@@KayyyRae this was explained, before odin died, he effectively transformed loki into a permanent asgardian, so his natural state is "human" looking now.
With this series, Loki is my favorite (and IMO, the BEST) character arc/journey in the MCU (so far).
#3:14 There is a character in Marvel known as Atlez, who is the Custodian of the Multiverse, whose job is to anchor and maintain the multiverse. So maybe Loki is not Atlas the titan holding up earth, but Atlez the Cosmic Being holding the multiverse?
I look at that face in the final scene, and I see a face filled with "Brotherly Love", a "Watcher", of sorts. The question then becomes "Can he be everywhere all the time?"
This entire series just further justifies why Loki has been my favorite character in Norse mythology, Marvel comics & MCU (even back when he was a villain)! Tom Hiddleston has definitely solidified my passion for the character.
He’ll be freed of the burden ultimately, as much as I like this as a bittersweet conclusion it feels more mature and inline with Endgame character conclusions.
We need to have a Loki and Thor reunion, Loki has come such a long way!😊
Loki can control time so he may created time stone which is similar to his powers as green colour matches. May be some how infinity stones has back story or links to gods who created in first place.
Do you think this version of Loki can duplication cast himself onto every single timeline? If so, maybe that's how he recruits heroes for the multiverse avengers/secret wars. Basically force ghosting himself everywhere.
He’s most definitely returning for Secret Wars assuming Kang doesn’t get replaced
I kind of want to see Loki interact with The Watcher. Loki is the God of Stories now, and The Watcher loves and protects all the various stories of the multiverse.
NLoki is not the god of stories ( Well not the proper one ) because he is not powerful enough if he was the god of stories all problems gone loli writes three words ( Everything gets foxed ) boom everything is fine so I call this Life bringer Loki
It would be awesome if in the future sylvie finds Thor and tells him what Loki has done and eventually lead them to cross paths with Loki down the line would be nice, even if for only a scene it would be amazing
I'd love to see Thor struggle against some crazy foe and then see Loki float past him against said Foe with Thor making some kind of remark about how Loki's become everything Thor had ever hoped
Loik has been my favorite throughout the whole MCU since his first appearance.
I'm sure that Mobius Thor and Sylvie will figure it out to save him.
6:21 Umm. Hel isn't just a place where people go to be punished. Hel has many realms within it. It's just the place that people go that don't die in battle. So old people, sick people, regular non-warrior people. Hel has many realms that sort the dead into various versions of their own afterlives. It also happens to have a place where terrible people get tortured, but that's not all it is. It's just the "Not Valhalla" version of the afterlife in the Norse mythology.
Loki is capable of creating multiples of himself. Perhaps he's powered up so he can create avatars. And sort of like a Hindu or omnipotent Judeo-Christian God, he can be everywhere yet would not never need to leave his thrown/responsibilites.
Loki will come back as a hybrid of Avenger Prime/Loki god of stories, pulling a multiversal avenger team together. Even if he didn’t leave the chair he could still probably project his power and image into any reality.
*EPIC!* 😎
The ending left me looking at Loki like I’ve never have before. We learn in Thor Ragnarok how good Loki can be, but here we see him sacrifice himself for all of time. He deserves better but if this is his end, I guess he truly got his fate. I love this version of Loki and he needs a reunion with Thor
Love how much this channel has grown. ❤
His power of projection should allow him to be places
I think almost everyone here would love to see loki back soon. So let's see what happens.
Actually i have been wondering about this, so Loki S2 finale made it look like the Branches that overloaded the Temporal Loom was caused because Sylvie killed He Who Remains, but that is not true, as we all remember in S1 finale, the timelines started to branch automatically after He Who Remains said "We Just Crossed.....the Threshold", Sylvie's action never caused timeline to branch nor overloading the Loom, or thats atleast i could work it out
I'm most likely not the first to point this out since the episode came out. But isn't funny that a Loki is fated to walk up stairs to not be seen after. Think about it. Atreus aka Loki from God of War Ragnarok ends his part in the game by saying goodbye to his friends and family and walks up stairs not to be seen again. Well to us as audiences seeing a Loki so far after walking up stairs not knowing what happens next.
Also, he fell off the bifrost bridge in Thor but this time he created the steps at the end of this bridge and up to a throne (or as I see it, a prison)
The full commitment Loki took in the finale is just surprising but satisfying for the character. So I hope we will see him again in the MCU when we get to Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars cause he and the TVA need to give the Avengers the roadmap for how they'll defeat the Kangs throughout the Multiverse.
I don't want them to make this a Loki rescue mission, but a Thor's Loki rescue mission. Thor doesn't need to join in the war. He had his side quest in infinity war and that was fantastic, so make this whole mission just about him and his brother. We need more Thor Loki moments
I hope Loki kinda takes up Nick fury’s role from Avengers 1 recruiting his avengers of the multiverse for secret wars or atleast finds Thor to warn him to get ready for secret wars
He did project and duplicate himself and a crowd when they were after Brad … and his shadows held Brad against the wall.
I was gonna say unless we revert to Loki series version of Avengers, the main timeline where he’s dead no one would know to look for him. Since marvel may bring us back to a timeline where all avengers are alive and well or didn’t have to go through the Thanos events then maybe that’s a way to reunite Thor and Loki, and Thor could see how much his brother has grown up in just 2 seasons and centuries
the tree is one of many multiverse trees in the omniverse forest. the omniverse forest sits on an island surrounded by the unknown ocean of the greater fractalverse. Once Loki makes a forest, his tree will be fine without him.
This is Loki, not Fractalverse. That's like trying to canonise Harry Potter within Middle Earth.
@@Duaality. derp
The Norse version of Loki, if memory serves me, is chained to a rock in a cave while a serpent drips venom on his face until ragnarok. In the finale he is also chained, presumably until he needs to fight for reality, which would be the Norse ragnarok, but marvels next conclusive epic film. I love how the myths continue being molded, retold, and remade
Loki is now "literally" touching every timeline, and all of reality. How can he NOT be apart of the upcoming Marvel projects? There might not be Loki Season 3, but Loki will definitely be back...
Of course! He *always* comes back. 😉
Do you guys think that anyone outside of the TVA knows that Loki had to sacrifice himself for us so we can live? My uncle said that in the old cartoons this also happened and the only way he was able to break free was if someone cried for him but no one does cause they all remember the bad Loki.
I hope Heimdal somehow saw, although tht might be impossible, and told Odin and Frigga
I would imagine only the gods, eternals, and celestials know for sure or maybe even Doctor Strange knows.
For us? So *we* can live?
Thor loves Loki. He will cry for him (in both happiness and sadness) when he finds out what he’s done.
I think Loki would eventually build a citadel and some sort of device to hold all the branches in place at the end of time like the one He who remains used to have. Also i think that as He who remains is gone and there is no variant of Kang at the end of time, the council of kangs would plot to overthrow Loki and take back their place, we will get to see Kangs fighting each other and with our superheroes defending Loki’s throne thus begins the Multiversal War!
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All you need is a Temporal Loom replacement to put in place of Loki. I'm sure that OB and Victor Timely can work something out.
Nah, Thor will visit him during the Multiversal War, and he will give them knowledge they need to fight Kang/Doom, but Loki is, and shall always be, He Who Remains.
A movie where Thor assembled a team of Avengers to rescue Loki would be amazing
Such a great review! Left me feeling sadness, love, and hope for our beloved character Loki
What I got from the ending is that it’s no longer a loop but all the timelines previously before Loki sat there. We’re all still run by a Kang so now instead of them being ran by the kang, they’re all just gonna be in search for him, but they have to figure out if he’s really the villain
We all want to see Hiddleston play Loki in future projects, maybe once the Kang Dynasty gets taken care of we see Loki teaming up with Reed Richards to take down Doom, it's kind of a stretch but who knows
He may be in Deadpool 3, Thor 5 and Kang Dynasty/Secret Wars.
he will at some point just use the main timeline as a belt for the tree so he is free to leave or will trick the kangs into doing this for him. just hope we do not loose this character to a tree :D
Thank you for making it all make sense! 😄
Doesn't Loki have the ability to project himself at will? Figures now that he's sort of the caretaker of all the timelines and universes, he could be anywhere he wants at anytime. He's pretty much God.
*i need loki and thor giving each other a hug. if that won't happen i'll throw myself of a roof!*
I think he wouldn't need to leave the chair at all! He can create projections of himself in ANY universe now... imagine a moment where the fate of the multiverse is at stake and the Avengers can't get it together... then here comes big G Loki, full-on controlling time and advising whoever is leading the Avengers (hope Thor without Taika) on how to defeat Dr. Doom
I get the idea that Loki might have been the one who made it possible for the Avengers to win against Thanos
All cause of free will and stuff
No, that was the screenwriters
What if the multiversal war has always been kangs v Lokis. Where a kang variant gets the throne and prunes timelines to try to ensure no lokis make it to the god of stories level where Loki prunes timelines of kang variants to ensure there will never be a he who remains and each time it switches from kang to Loki that is actually the reset of the tva
He has to return. Hes one of the pillars that holds the mcu, quite literally now. But honestly, he’s just as important as Rhodey saying “Boooom looking for this?!” Bye y’all!
You think Especially since illusions are one of his powers he can still be present in a line if he wants.
He can learn how to handle time tree and move around in timelines. Maybe he can give guidance to his friends and not get involved physically. But at the end if he goes into the physical world it will diminish his sacrifice. Maybe he can give up his time travel and stabilize the timelines and live a mortal life on earth 616
I took the “I know what kind of God I need to be, for you, for all of us,” as a sort of a breaking the fourth wall thing. I felt like he was talking to me. In that moment he gained a seat at the throne of my favorite Marvel Hero.
I think the next time we see Loki will be in the next Thor film. The only reaction I want to see from Thor right out the gate, is him slowly approaching Loki with tears and a smile of happiness as it slowly transitions to him choking Loki with a sinister smile on his face. Bringing up the "many times" he's had to watch his brother die. That will be the love between two brothers I wish I had. Loki may be sitting in the chair, but he can still imprint his presence anywhere on the time line he chooses.
Lowkey enabling all of existence
Worth noting marvel posted a tweet saying “marvels most powerful being. God of time”. Is Loki powerful enough to do what he did? Or did he channel the power of the Odin force or something of the sort? Marvel seem to have made sure we remembered Odin in this season.
I appreciate this plea for Loki!! Would make a great film my god
Talk about a complete transformation of a character. I've read some comics where Loki does some good, but I never thought I'd see a storyline of sacrifice and burden from him like this.
I don't know if this variant of Loki is coming back.......but we'll be introduced to another variant of him
I genuinely think loki is stuck there holding everything together.....forever, he has accepted the burden, he has accepted his position and what type of god he needs to be for everyone
I think Loki will have a similar phase 1-6 arc like Tony had his phase 1-3 arc. Where Loki will have a major role in the conclusion of Secret Wars. We also don’t know if Kang will be used through end of secret wars, or if Doom will come in like the comics or the Beyonder. Who might swap roles? We shall see.
I wonder if Loki and the Watcher ever chat about things. Are they in the same plane of reality? Their both watching the multiverse so I presume they know of each others existence.
Loki could be stuck there for MILLIONS of years… because time is different for him- it’ll only seem like a short time for us when he returns.
Thanks Erik!
Isnt Atlas also a character in the comics who literally holds all of time together? That was Rob from ComicsExplained prediction and its pretty spot on
Ofc we'll see Loki again this one we were following is just a variant
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The throne at end of time at the citadel was merely made of rock or some soil but when loki approached the throne it turned into golden throne... It shows he is worthy of doing it... Ans his glorious purpose is fulfilled 😢
Surely Loki can project himself into the different timelines- so he can physically stay holding the timelines but also pop up and join in with other events with his projection power.
Could he not come as an illusion of himself into any timeline to recruit the avengers of the multiverse for secret wars? Like the watcher but as a hologram - as he has become so powerful and has every timeline at hand 🤚
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Thor reuniting with Loki will be the next big emotional marvel scene
I remember fighting Loki in my Lego marvel games with my brother when I was little, I always thought he was so evil, lol i love how far he’s come