0:00 Intro 0:59 Details 6:46 Why details matter 8:26 Deliberate changes 12:08 Fat official 14:52 Gross 17:19 Latria 😡 22:47 The real problem 25:06 The last point
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Some of you wont know how I feel until Bluepoint remakes Bloodborne and changes the things you like. 😔😔
@ratatoskr6324 Жыл бұрын
I agree with you 100 % this is the best video you have done and you said what I’ve been arguing on Reddit since 2020 to massive downvotes lol
@TheVioletBunny Жыл бұрын
Compelling points so far. I never played the original, and I think that's why I enjoyed the remake so much. I understand where you're coming from, and can agree with others echoing that I wouldn't want Bluepoint to remake Bloodborne. Edit: finished watching and I can TOTALLY see where you're coming from. The changes you described in Latria alone would make me depressed if they did the same thing to Bloodborne.
@milesdp1990 Жыл бұрын
God I hope that never happens. I would kill for a remaster at 60 FPS, but they literally shouldn’t even touch anything about it. Just make the gameplay 60 FPS, that’s it.
@greatestcait Жыл бұрын
@@greatestcait Bloodborne PC will be the best game ever made *continues breething copium*
@Kampfender_Krieger Жыл бұрын
Truuueeee lmfao
@SuperDoolu Жыл бұрын
One part of the environmental storytelling and lore I like to point out is also in Latria. In the original, the level has these yellow flags, or straps of cloth, spread throughout the level. This obviously, OBVIOUSLY references the Old Monk's takeover and corruption of the area, which the player only realizes later when they meet the boss and see his famously yellow robes, the source of his power. Now Blue Point saw these bits of foreshadowing, figured yellow wasn't scary enough or something, and made all the flags red. RED How do you even miss the point this bad?
@embargovenom9948 Жыл бұрын
Yellow is glory and warm care, red is danger and blood, OBVIOUS color theory, right bluepoint? ... Sigh.
@iota-09 Жыл бұрын
A lot of people think the Latria banners are a nitpick but the thing is that it's so emblematic of the remake as a whole that they had absolutely no good reason to change but did so anyway and in the process totally stripped out a piece of worldbuilding and environmental storytelling, and the same people who OK'd that also approved of *all the other changes* in the remake.
@GrodyPineman Жыл бұрын
This shit right here is why remakes for Souls games should not be given to studios who are going to take such drastic creative liberties. The Souls game's stories, narrative, and world building relies so much on the LITTLE details interspersed through the levels, art, and character design that changing shit all willy nilly without understanding what youre changing runs the risk of completely ruining it. And the tragic part is that 80% of the people who play these games dont engage with that shit and have no idea its there so they'll just defend bluepoint and say all of us are being "nit picky"....sighhhh.
@ATC43 Жыл бұрын
@@ATC43 in fairness, if they don't notice the changes and still enjoy the games as much as any other fan they'd have a point... if not for the fact that so many people who loved the original didn't get hooked to the remake because of that, or in some cases, people who saw comparison videos and such genuinely liked the original more.
@iota-09 Жыл бұрын
@@ATC43 the reason we say you guy are nitpicking is because you just say the same thing over and over again like you guys say the atmosphere is ruined and you repeat that
@chestermicgun Жыл бұрын
The thing about the Tower Knight's OG song is that it's a rally chant. It's symbolic of a kingdom putting all of their hope and faith into a giant knight in order to protect the kingdom against intruders that may mean harm to its inhabitants. Changing his theme into a generic orchestral piece is plain stupid.
@Nomadestra9 ай бұрын
Very cool comment. Never thought of the chant like that
@joeyxl34569 ай бұрын
It was a really badly conceived and performed chant that made thrilling David and Goliath fights sound like three ring circuses both times we had the misfortune of hearing it.
@d.g.61473 ай бұрын
@@d.g.6147 What a bad take. It's fine if you personally didn't like it. That doesn't change the absolute fact that the original score is thematically in line with the story the game is trying to tell. The remake score is a disgrace.
@Nomadestra3 ай бұрын
@@Nomadestra *What a bad take.* Oh, you didn't like it? :(
@d.g.61473 ай бұрын
@@d.g.6147 Cope
@Nomadestra3 ай бұрын
I love how you explain that in the souls games the inherent look of things and design is there because they cared to make a cohesive world and context.
@LinneRinne4 ай бұрын
I think thats a bit of a misguided view. the souls series if anything but perfect. throughout most of the games there is usually massive glaring issues with its world design somewhere. just look at basically the entire final act of Dark Souls 1, where almost all of the great world design kinda falls to pieces and becomes a mess.
@joedatius4 ай бұрын
@@joedatius Yeah I think you didn't really get what I meant. I never said perfect, I said that he explained why things look the way they look, and also offered insight into Miyazaki's mentality, his "elegance". Most games can't be perfect because we aren't, as someone who's studying art it's pretty much obvious and the DS saga as a whole has moments where it goes downhill. But what always shines through it's the fact that they CARE about making something good and the appearance and the details in old and new games show that, even going back to games like King's Field.
@LinneRinne4 ай бұрын
@@LinneRinne sorry but thats not what he was talking about. the entire point about Miyazaki was about not making something ugly. which in itself is a bad quote to try and use because the games are filled with designs and locations entirely focused on looking gross and ugly. Yeah of course they cared but so did the people who made the remake. but caring isn't a measurable quality.
@joedatius4 ай бұрын
@@joedatius If anything, I don't think we're on the same page here. I believe I see what you're saying and where you think my comments are coming from but I'm not really talking of games being perfect or an unmatched quality because they cared, it's more nuanced than that, and I do not take Miyazaki's comment on just face value. I think the DS saga has elegance to it in a design sense and in general Fromsoft titles do have it even when the game they worked on is terrible like Ninja Blade. And what I meant in my initial comment is that DS has an inherent intentionality aspect to it, which is how their design cares about environments, item descriptions and how things look and even sound in general. Even in zones that I personally would consider to be terrible gameplay wise like DS2's Iron Keep there's a experience to be had and a reason of why it looks like that in lore. But even if you do not agree with me or think I'm tripping I wish you a good day and I respect your opinion.
@LinneRinne4 ай бұрын
@@joedatiusWhat do you even mean by world design in this case? Do you mean the way the world has literally artistically been designed or the way the enemies are placed and designed into the world? They’re very different things, but even if the enemy placement and level design is off by the second half, the world design is still very good and fits into the context of the story being told and explored. The original commentator is talking about how the theme of a place fits with its design, an intentional Miyazaki choice and a big chunk of the game’s elegance, again, not perfect.
@therandombag21214 ай бұрын
Bro, imagine if Bluepoint remade Dark Souls and made Smough into an actual grotesque fatass instead! 😂
@yvindlavold57413 ай бұрын
I can see them doing that. Someone link bluepoint to vaatis playlist of interesting facts about dark souls so they don’t gloss over the eye holes lol
@MysteriousStranger503 ай бұрын
..... they will turn ornstein into a actual golden lion man. oh god no,
@da_0012 ай бұрын
Oh my god. Now I REALLY see where the original fans are coming from when talking about the adjudicators design.
@regularguy78402 ай бұрын
who cares, as long as they dont harm glorious Ornstein 😍😍😍
@n8doggy7332 ай бұрын
@@n8doggy733 Ornstein will now be an actual furry
@Dan-Ky-KongАй бұрын
"second of all, no I can't let people enjoy things, because that would prevent me from enjoying the thing I like the most, which is critical analysis and being a hater." Caught me off guard with that one, I burst out laughing.
@sleeper1855 Жыл бұрын
Based beyond belief.
@fastenedcarrot9570 Жыл бұрын
Same
@ventusvanitas7544 Жыл бұрын
Truly based. More and more people need a wake-up call that criticisms does not equal hate/hatred.
@nigrum_angelum6655 Жыл бұрын
Yeah funny that he would be some close minded i spent 2k on a ps5 rip the ps3 gow 3 wasn't even that good
@worsethanhitler4022 Жыл бұрын
@@worsethanhitler4022 Que?
@fastenedcarrot9570 Жыл бұрын
I don’t think people will understand the problem until Bluepoint remakes Bloodborne and gives Ebrietas horrible acne, adds six rows of nipples to Mergo’s Wet Nurse, makes Lady Maria look evil when she is one of the kindest people in the lore, replaces Gehrman’s theme with an epic orchestra, makes the music box play through all of Yharnam instead of near the little girl’s house, and so on and so forth.
@namirakira71388 ай бұрын
Except that blue point never really did all that I’ve looked at the old and new boss designs and really the only one that got a really drastic change was like fools idol and armor spider
@chestermicgun8 ай бұрын
@@chestermicgun They did do all that. Ebrietas acne: Vanguard Demon Wet Nurse nipples: Adjudicator Evil Maria: Fool’s Idol Gehrman’s theme replaced: False King Allant Music Box: Mistress in Latria I agree that most of the bosses were fine. The Remake is largely fine and even good. Some designs were on par, some aspects of the boss were sub par but the whole thing was on par, etc. Few were improved imo, like Penetrator’s red parts on his armor and adding a storm to Storm King and the sound design. But a good amount of the iconic enemy and boss designs were made gross looking. Like Adjudicator was a weird potato sack with a tongue and tattoos (I want a plushie of the og Adjudicator) but now he just has gross nipples and teeth. Vanguard looks gross and menacing rather than goofy but menacing. Some NPCs were butchered like Satsuki being a horribly racist caricature. And this is not a matter of preference, that is just straight up morally wrong. I wouldn’t mind the design changes if the remake didn’t replace the original, but it did. When you google Demon’s Souls, the remake is the first result. The original is stuck without a remaster or port while the Remake is pushed in front of it. The original will be inaccessible and forgotten in the minds of many. The moment the og one gets ported or remastered, I can appreciate the remake for what it is rather than kind of dislike it for what Sony made it do to the original.
@namirakira71388 ай бұрын
Just the thought of them doing a remake of Bloodborne terrifies me.
@aoao33407 ай бұрын
Don't forget every dark level being bathed in supersaturated orange glows from over the top lighting effects.
@La0bouchere4 ай бұрын
Don't forget 60 fps/4k graphics
@quintfl4 ай бұрын
It blows my mind when people say they want a bluepoint bloodborne remake... please god no just give me a pc port.
@NumberJ423 ай бұрын
you can always play the old one what is you on
@Thecoldsun3 ай бұрын
@@Thecoldsunnot… everyone has a ps4 dude. Also 30fps is gross
@changedmyname52283 ай бұрын
@@changedmyname5228 you don't deserve it then... And a PS4 is cheap. I want nobody else but Bluepoint to remake bloodborne. They will do a great job... You don't have to play it and you can stick with the OG if you don't like the remake. Nobody is forcing you and nobody will touch the OG game, it will still be available for you, unaltered. Thats what @Thecoldsun said.... It has 30 fps because its made by Fromsoft and not Bluepoint
@-CybinАй бұрын
just get PS Now, the streaming service. I played Bloodborne on my PC over a year ago, it sadly doesn't have the DLC. Maybe PS will fix that one day and I'll resub to play it again
@hiroshima19Ай бұрын
How about you buy a PlayStation. People don’t realize that also helps these studios receive more funding to explore bigger projects. You Pc guys are so stubborn and prideful I swear.
@kavid8120Ай бұрын
As someone who never played the original but loved the remake, this was very compelling. What were they thinking with the sound design of Latria??? I love blue point but wow. They really dropped the ball in many areas and I understand og fans frustrations now.
@jakebrown22354 ай бұрын
Play the og but honestly neither one is really inferior. It's like many things it's two distinct things.
@jdrok50263 ай бұрын
@@miguelaviles3637 you might need a better soundbar. The clunk of the meat cleaver hitting the ground in Demons Souls remake is the most satisfying thing I’ve heard in any souls game.
@octagonseventynine12532 ай бұрын
@@miguelaviles3637 the magic sound effects are the best, most chunky, most powerful sounding magic sounds I've heard in any game
@calebh36322 ай бұрын
When I heard the song I was immediately reminded of the Shrine of Amana and was somewhat disappointed because it seemed like the shrine was just a copy of something Fromsoft did before. Now I learn that the original sound design was fundamentally different. How could they be so wrong in the remake? It boggles the mind.
@fatal_error83972 ай бұрын
Man, the first boss in the OG Demon's souls was SO SCARY because you couldn't see SHIT. You had no idea what you were fighting to start with, you had no idea how big the room you were in was. It was just darkness and spears flying at you and you'd get a glimpse of a shield and shit your pants!
@SB-mr2nk2 ай бұрын
During the segment about deliberate changes that missed the point, I wish you had included a segment about the Flamelurker. It was apparent before release Bluepoint didn't 'get' Demons Souls vibe. I say this as in one of the 1st trailers they showed off their design for Flamelurker and it was a generic westernized demon. It looked like it was designed for Diablo, not Demon Souls. Due to minor backlash from that trailer, they did update Flamelurkers' design to be truer to his intended design. But it left a lot of questions about what they had done with any content that wasn't included in trailers and didn't take feedback on. Which left us with what we have now.
@chiselbit2 Жыл бұрын
Melted dwarf king > generic bulky monster
@dancreary3340 Жыл бұрын
Did you want him to copy/paste every point other KZheadrs have made? This video was practically a regurgitation of other peoples’ work already. You know what I’m talking about lol.
@___.51 Жыл бұрын
@@___.51 How could I know what you're talking about? This is the only video I've ever seen about demon souls remake.
@Homiloko2 Жыл бұрын
The Fat Officials in particular got butched SUPER hard. They were supposed to be masked, corrupted humans with the fatness being part of a disturbingly jolly image that did horrible things. The remake Official are just...gross and bloated while also lacking the dark jolliness which completely defeats the point of this enemy entirely.
@joshuakim5240 Жыл бұрын
Especially because vanguard demon isn't even an original design of demon's souls, unlike the flamelurker.
@iota-09 Жыл бұрын
Now I'm imagining dark souls where they play Ornstein and Smough's theme music as background music for the entirety of Anor Londo and redesign Smough so that he's fleshy and sad.
@ummmmmmmmmmmnmmmm20 күн бұрын
Exactly what I thought. Or Imagine if they didn't like the duo mechanic and just make you fight them one after the other or something. I would be very disappointed.
@the_seer_04214 күн бұрын
Also change the Milan Cathedral inspired design to something inspired by ie. Wieskirche or Hagia Sophia.
@vaenii50563 күн бұрын
Also remove Smough's laugh which is on point for his lore
@KanabrozКүн бұрын
gamers said the same thing when Bluepoint did Shadow of the Colossus, but of course it was largely drowned out by a sycophantic games press who is more interested in flashy screenshots.
@lt38803 ай бұрын
Still saddens me that people view it as the "superior" version. It's my favorite game.
@bostonbignutts9 күн бұрын
On top of the Adjudicator redesign, it also impacts the concept of its whole mechanic. You cant harm it outside of the wound on its stomach because its made of gold armor, in the remake, unless you are aware of how it was originally, its entirely possible to not have any idea why you cant harm it, and you might not even realize that its the wound that lets your attacks land, it might appear that attacks land at random
@dizzy24458 ай бұрын
Can confirm it took me 30 minutes to figure out this, and that It was not a ranged fight.
@BlueHayes056 ай бұрын
I snipped him in the head with a bow, never touched him once with the sword. Didnt even know about the wound untill I read this comment.
@powerfulraf.66445 ай бұрын
Honestly in my first playthrough in the original Demon's Souls, I did not realize how I could damage him, yes I might be dumb, idk
@aleshofastora4405 ай бұрын
Ohhhh, so that’s why. I never played the og game.
@justAncorisfine4 ай бұрын
This is exactly what happened to me. I was low on health and in a rare occasion of chance, I didn’t have any healing items left. So I was being extra cautious to not die. When I entered the arena I immediately noticed the poor footing I had, but because my focus was where I landing I never really noticed the bird on its head. So basically, I got to the bottom, did my best to dodge and weave and attack, but because it all looks like skin in the remake I had no idea that I NEEDED to attack its weak point first. I died, looked up a guide, and got frustrated at myself for not realizing it had a weak spot I needed to damage first. From the sound of it, if I had played the original then I would have more easily been able to notice the weak point, and then I would have been able to deduce mid combat that I needed to hit it first.
@CosmicTornado14 ай бұрын
the luck of bluepoint is that demons souls was an extremely niche game, if they make these changes in dark souls for example, they would suffer a wave of hate, souls is not about the graphics but the best set of atmosphere and design that counts their stories, and that's why they are such special games
@rafael3138 Жыл бұрын
* I know bluepoint was never going to do a dark souls remake because it's not a sony IP, but it was just to give a context that people were "ok" with demons souls because it's not a very popular game, unfortunately
@rafael3138 Жыл бұрын
People complained enough about some slightly brighter spells.
@fastenedcarrot9570 Жыл бұрын
I'd give them a pass to change only izalith and izalith alone, should they touch anything else it's war.
@iota-09 Жыл бұрын
@@fastenedcarrot9570 Personally I complained about the spells NOT working in the remaster, at least the lock on, due to a lazy implementation of higher frames. Plus the bonfire aesthetic was butchered.
@theworstcatholic7247 Жыл бұрын
@@iota-09 I'd change Izalith. Double the enemies and make the lava brighter. Perfect.
@fastenedcarrot9570 Жыл бұрын
Another instance of this happening in games is Majora's Mask. Where the 3ds remake got rid of the demon face licking the triforce in stone tower temple. Which indicates some evil things go on there. Now it's just generic blocks in the remake. Completely ruins the anti gods vibe in stone tower temple.
@gijonah695 ай бұрын
Yeah and I was called autistic because I was upset about that. “What does it matter if one texture changed” Like I dunno kind of everything about the vibe of the area?
@MysteriousStranger503 ай бұрын
@@MysteriousStranger50 lol, people don't really get how much symbolism can really add world building. Conveying information without a single word. Unfortunately most people don't notice, or care about symbols, and just chalk it up to aesthetics. It also doesn't help that understanding symbolism isn't something that's really taught. Which adds to the millennial writing style that pisses me off. Where everything is just a reference or derivative of something else.
@gijonah693 ай бұрын
They changed that and key mechanics, including boss fights. Majora's Mask is in my top 5 games ever made, and I hate the remake.
@Captain_Neckbeard3 ай бұрын
I'm sorry, there's a demon face LICKING the triforce in the OG version of MM?? What does one type into their search engine to see this? I gotta know. In general, I do feel like MM3D was a bit of a... well, not a mistake, per say, but something that doesn't do its job in remastering the OG. I read somewhere that Aonuma was basically ashamed of MM and tried to sort of nudge it in a different direction with 3D. It's a shame because it's a clear expression of a point in his life where he wasn't in the best of places, but still managed to create something that on the surface is a sad, dark and depressing story, but underneath contains a message of hope. Removing the little things like this make for something that is no longer a faithful recreation of the mental state the creators had been in during the original development, but isn't really lighthearted like its predecessor either. The Deku form not building speed well for lilypad jumps and the Zora form requiring magic to swim fast don't help anything either though.
@randibillett4722 ай бұрын
@@randibillett472 I think the 3DS remakes were perfect in what they set out to do.. but I barely remember playing them because after the first hour the novelty wears off and you're just replaying a game you already know beat for beat. Remakes seem pointless for returning players but are excellent for new comers. No coat of paint can match venturing into these worlds the first time around. Even Link's Awakening remake on the Switch, beautiful job but.. I know what's going to happen. Playing remakes of games you've played is equivalent to looking at old photos. It's nice for a nostalgia buzz but you can't go back. BUT! Again, for new comers it's perfect. Never played Wind Waker till the Wii U port, loved it. Same with Demon's Souls here so I'm not entirely against remakes but from experience and it took me a while to figure this out but I just don't care about remakes of games I've already played... But I'll definitely re-play Bloodborne when that gets a remake. I got the platinum for it, loved the game but my friend beat every boss without leveling at level 4, I tried to do the same, just got past The One Reborn but gave up. Still, to me the game isn't complete until I do this arbitrary level 4 run.
@Roflcrabs2 ай бұрын
A central problem with the art design, which I think most people struggle to articulate, is how much more positive space there is in the remake over the original. This is a bit complicated to explain in text. Basically, the human eye and brain are extremely sensitive to contrast. Between colours, in different hues, saturations and shades (especially shades). Between shapes, in 2D & 3D. Between shapes in different positions, rotations and scales. Between the size, shape and composition of different groups of elements. And any combination of the above. Because humans are pattern-seeking animals. We naturally pick up on patterns, and breaks in patterns. Contrast is a break in a visual pattern, so it attracts our attention. Dark against light. Red against blue. A circle among squares. An individual apart from a crowd. We tune out patterns, because they don't demand a lot of attention. If we've seen one bit of it, we don't need to see the rest. We can just extrapolate from what we've already seen. While breaks in patterns get our attention, because we have to determine what we're seeing, and what it might mean. Even if the exception is meaningless, our instinct is to check anyway. That's what positive and negative space are. Negative space is any element of an image that is either a repeating pattern, or a random pattern. Such areas of an image don't attract our attention, because they are predictable. You can even make highly-contrasting visual elements read as negative space, by arranging them in clearly repeating or random patterns. On the other hand, positive space is the elements of an image that are irregular. Such areas of an image attract our attention, because they are unpredictable. They are questions that demand answers. And therein lies the great difference between the original and the remake of Demons Souls. Look at the opening of original Boletarian Palace. The high stone walls, towers and turrets are covered in repeating elements. There's the crenellations and machicolations atop every wall; the quoins running up every outside corner; the arrow-slits in the walls; and the whole thing is covered in a repeating stone brick texture. All the contrasting details of the building are organized so that they read as negative space, whilst still being recognizably a castle. Compare that to remake Boletarian Palace. Putting aside the architecture being a completely different shape in places, it's all covered in irregular details. There's the arched stone decorations; the coloured draping banners; the random and overwrought wooden hoarding around the gatehouse towers and elsewhere; and the damage to the crenellations and the fire in some of the hoarding. All of these things are vastly more eye-catching than the original castle, because they are all pieces of positive space that were not present in the original game. These kinds of changes are everywhere in the remake. Areas that were previously negative space have been filled with detail, making them positive space. Which changes how those environments feel, because now they're more visually-stimulating than they were previously. But it's visual stimulation for no other purpose than the stimulation itself. It's more detail for the sake of having more detail, not in service of replicating the original game's experience. And making previously-negative space into positive space is not an inherent improvement. Because filling an image with positive space makes it feel like the whole image is yelling "LOOK AT ME". And in a videogame, the imagery is yelling for attention constantly. It is exhausting. Negative space gives the viewer a visual rest, and allows the remaining positive space to stand out more through contrast. Good art needs a mixture of positive and negative space. The original Demons Souls understood this. The remake does not.
@tbotalpha81333 ай бұрын
Well said! Details for details sake. This is what separates the artist from the amateur. The artist understands where details are not needed. The amateur fills the space with details and imagines it to be art.
@x-wing87852 ай бұрын
I think this is incredibly well said. I'll add this; I think much of the motivation behind Blue Points erroneous art style stems from their desire to continue the visual style of Dark Souls 1 and 3. I think they failed tremendously, but Dark Souls 3 especially is very busy. In my opinion, Dark Souls 3 is in a minor way guilty of what you're describing here.
@ethereousАй бұрын
Incredible insight. I'm not planning to play any remakes, but I remember looking around in the original, when i first played it, at whatever detail broke the pattern, such as the mausoleum in 1-1, the giant statue that shoots arrows in 3-1, the shanty town in the valley of defilemnt and the pool of blood in front of maiden astrea. Similarly, in the original dead space, which i also replayed a lot, they built each level from negative space, repetitive corridors, yet in the medical level, there are bloody operating tables, in engineering there are also repetitive corridors, but with pipes, of different sizes, that let off steam, and giant fans spinning somewhere above, and the shadow is projected on the corridor you are walking in. You can even compare dead space 1 with 2, which i think is also "loaded" in positive space. The golden rule of game design, is "less is more" imo. Thats the elegance Miyazaki is talking about. This is what more processing power has done for the game industry. Look at how they made the berserk 2013 adaptation, they animated individual soldiers in the backgrounds fighting, and it looks crappy. In the 1997 version, the fights were showed as frames taken from the manga, colored, with clashing of swords and horses neighing, which was very elegant.
@lionelstarkweather982Ай бұрын
Commenting so I can find this later.
@bio0link15 күн бұрын
Agree 100% on everything said here. The reality is this BP misunderstood the entire 'point' of what the game is about. The game is about Human Greed and the Cruelty we inflict on one another, it is NOT an 'Epic' Demon Slaying game. The Epic Music with the fight of True King Allant is one of my greatest issues with it. In the original that moment made me feel genuinely sick, with the sound track to match it.
@SmoughTown Жыл бұрын
They changed the true king allant music to epic? That’s ridiculous lol. It’s so obviously supposed to be an anticlimax that I almost want to wear a tinfoil hat and say they intentionally desecrated the game. I could see them messing up the Gwyn fight in this way, because it’s less obviously an anticlimax (still pretty obvious), but Allant is like a tiny ooze.
@sams7068 Жыл бұрын
@@sams7068 imagine gwyn with the soul of cinder ost and an full blown chorus and orchestra substituing the piano :V
@iota-09 Жыл бұрын
Love your Videos smough.
@viktorpagels7569 Жыл бұрын
@@viktorpagels7569 Thanks dude
@SmoughTown Жыл бұрын
You clearly have not played the game. Alant was said to be a good king or at least decent. And though it seems Ostsra has not seen him in a while and maybe only visits little he is nice and raised well He did not sign a deal with the evailent of the devil for power. He grow tired depressed and maybe even crazy and did what he thought would help the world. He is literally a blob mangled and deformed and living inside the Old One with no food or anything but still believes he is helping people and he clearly had nothing to gain from it . He was not greedy or cruel. Play the game then come back and trash the remake
@alumlovescake Жыл бұрын
I did not play the original. The lullaby argument is what drove this home for me. I cannot imagine how I'd feel of they remade bloodborne and added the music box throughout central Yarnham. It would absolutely ruin the greatest atmosphere I have ever experienced in a video game. Bloodborne was my first fromsoft game and the crippling fear of wandering the streets of yharnum was the most immersive atmosphere of all. Hearing the music box only from outside the gate and finding a way to get to the window was exhilarating. It would dramatically change if the music played throughout, and even worse if they made it soothing and less creepy.
@manab787 Жыл бұрын
Lol well central Yarnham does ironically have the music box playing only it’s quite faint, however your point is valid.
@dylanschmeichel2008 Жыл бұрын
@@dylanschmeichel2008 only when you're close to the girl's house, no?
@manab787 Жыл бұрын
frankly speaking, i think DS1, sekiro and especially elden ring has substantially better and far more creative atmosphere and art than bbs drab constant grey corridors and castle/church spires, but i think theres something about your first souls game's atmosphere that always stays with you. mine was ds1 and its world will always have a really special place in my heart. never have i been more immersed in a video game than my 1st playthrough of ds1 over a decade ago, bb just doesnt come anywhere near to replicating that feeling for me, in fact i remember feeling really disappointed by bb when i finished it the first time, its environments just lacked the creativity and variety of the other games, sekiro and especially elden ring came really close though, especially elden ring, which at some points not only matched ds1, but surpassed it, but the rest like bb, demons and ds3? nah not really, they are fantastic games dont get me wrong, especially ds3 which arguably has the greatest boss/lore moments in fromsoft history! lets see if elden ring dlc bosses can top that, and im sure they will.
@flamingmanure Жыл бұрын
@@flamingmanure when I say atmosphere is not just the colors. The true meaning behind the atmosphere for me is the "gothic horror" aspect of it. The way bloodborne's story unfolds aligned perfectly with the changes of the atmosphere, from hunting beasts to literal great ones. I agree that nothing is like a first souls experience, but I believe Bloodborne would've been my favorite regardless. Sekiro was damn near close though! It's the only one that I'm not confident to say it wouldn't be the best even if it was my first. But this purely from a gameplay perspective, not the setting. I did not enjoy the sengoku Japanese era more than the gothic horror. But I would be lying if the many moments like entering the dragon palace didn't leave my jaw on the ground from it's beauty. Elden ring on the other hand is an absolute "meh" for me. Not even close to dark souls. Let alone Bloodborne and Sekiro.
@manab787 Жыл бұрын
@@flamingmanure colour is not atmosphere, it's a part of it and those games are thematically a different genre to Bloodborne, high/dark fantasy to gothic/Lovecraftian horror, they're not comparable
@nostalgicdouchebag1912 Жыл бұрын
The original Demon's Souls avoided trends and didn't care about sales. The remake does the complete opposite.
@Arjanator2 ай бұрын
one thing I noticed is that many of the bosses in the remake give me doom or Diablo vibes with their design
@Clash11383 ай бұрын
I have to also mention that the change to maiden astrea's theme in the remake completely changes the tone of the fight. In the original it was supposed to make you really think about what it is you were doing and the consequences of your actions. These are real, sentient people you are slaying (sometimes). In the remake it feels like a grand fight with garl vinland with a melancholic tone. It doesn't have the same impact since garl was never supposed to be a real threat to you, although he hit hard and strong, he was designed to be able to be killed easily, you were supposed to be unstoppable, and astrea showed you what that means.
@pranaviyer8178 Жыл бұрын
Personally and I will admit I’m a bit mixed on this. I find it more infuriating they didn’t fix Garl’s ai. Seriously in footage of the remake he looks so damn dumb that it takes me out of it. I do get the change of tone being an issue but what frustrated me is Blue Point even saw janky stuff from the original and went,”Yeah thats fine.”
@123darkelf Жыл бұрын
I hate is how they changed Astrea's Direction in her defeat quote. Seriously the amount of Venom and Vitriol in the original line when she says " Take your Precious Demon's Soul" hammered in the tone of her fight, in the remake she sounds so bored like she barely cares that Garl died.
@Kage-pm6qi Жыл бұрын
@@Kage-pm6qi yeah. It honestly feels like blue point fucked up so much. Hell the AI is what bothered me about the whole fight because it was something that should of been noticed and adjusted…instead they took liberties with music and such.
@123darkelf Жыл бұрын
@@123darkelf yeah exactly the remake wanted you to remember the fight against the garl vinland, but that was always a shitty fight and they did nothing to change it.
@pranaviyer8178 Жыл бұрын
@@pranaviyer8178 yeah. Its like,”AH MUR BADASS MUSIC MAKE BETTER,” but Garl still a dumba-“ITTTTT BETTA!”
@123darkelf Жыл бұрын
You convinced me at the fat official example. That's actually pretty outrategous.
@rolfo728 Жыл бұрын
It's weird as that is like the first thing I heard about the game was the redesign
@mavrickindigo Жыл бұрын
Same here. I didn't buy the overinterpretation and assumption of motives and arrogance on the Tower Knight comment, but then the video delivered VERY GOOD points afterwards starting with the fat official and turned me around
@Ruffy112 Жыл бұрын
@@Ruffy112 Yeah lol I was like “overgrown plants? Seriously?”, but the fat official redesign point is very fair as someone who only played the remake (first souls game too). The OG fat officials look menacing, snobby, and like complete assholes. The remake one still made me hate him in 1-3, don’t get me wrong, but they looked more disgusting and disfigured than anything. I still kinda got the point when I was playing through, but the original design looked better. Same with the Tower of Latria stuff, although I did kinda like how calm it was, it probably would’ve felt completely different with the scarier vibes of the original. I’d be pissed if someone redesigned my favorite game and ruined the charm/atmosphere of it too. The graphics were excellent on the remake though and I’d say overall it was very good.
@SJ-di5zu Жыл бұрын
I would've forgiven everything else since it's pretty nit-picky, but changing the fat officials to not have the creepy smiling face is the worst artistic choice they could've made
@bluegrave4376 Жыл бұрын
Yeah everything before that was kinda ridiculous (especially the "classic filter" thing) but everything after that is straight facts.
@uijnghhj40211 ай бұрын
I knew Bluepoint didn't understand Demon's Souls when i heard they changed--not just updated but outright rewrote--the music. The dude said their job was to make the game not like it actually was but like people remember it. Well, i dunno about him but that's not how i remember Demon's Souls.
@WinterAyars3 ай бұрын
I feel the same about Shadow of the Colossus remake
@zonadogt3 ай бұрын
For real, blue point is all misses for me
@VTeixex3 ай бұрын
“They didn’t like the anime warrior guy” is a perfect line to why they changed the art style.
@Garl_Vinland Жыл бұрын
do·na·tion something that is given for the purpose of charity, usually a sum of money.
@MagnusVenatus Жыл бұрын
Dumb-ass A person who whines about a remake being "bad" when the original is still available to play
@relton66 Жыл бұрын
@@relton66 The original ISNT still available to play fully since the servers have been disconnected.
@Garl_Vinland Жыл бұрын
Then quit whining and play the game
@relton66 Жыл бұрын
Wonder what this thread was about before the comments got (seemingly?) deleted
@shira_yone Жыл бұрын
The most obvious area where the remake contrasts the original is the soundtrack, understated songs are replaced by bombastic melodies. Changes like that affect the tone and give the game a different feel. Having played neither of the two games though I did listen to both osts, I find the original's to be better by its theme, best seen by the difference in maiden astraea's theme from the two games.
@therandompersona Жыл бұрын
Some ost is good. The remake tries a new feel than the original.
@relton66 Жыл бұрын
@@relton66 While some tracks on their own sound good, they clash a ton with the overall tone of the game
@steeltarkus58 Жыл бұрын
Flamelurker’s theme is a better example, I feel like astrea’s is genuinely great for both versions of the game. While flamelurker’s theme sounds “better” in the remake, it isn’t demons souls
@yamnbam4346 Жыл бұрын
@@yamnbam4346 flamelurker was the one theme that felt way out of place in the original. Fighting a giant hulking fire monster that explodes while listening to a funeral song. Didn’t fit at all. That’s the one fight the remake did better, everything else missed the mark.
@bigsmall2842 Жыл бұрын
@@bigsmall2842 if you think Flamelurker's original theme "didn't fit" then you know nothing about Flamelurker
@BiggusThiccus Жыл бұрын
Bro, they turned the Flamelurker into a fucking Diablo monster and then call us whiny? xD
@johnnysavior453815 күн бұрын
First off, I enjoy both the original and remake, and I only play the remake now for accessibility reasons. However, I agree that the "overgrown" aesthetic is misplaced in Boletaria. When the remake first debuted, my biggest concern was the presence of so much foliage. It makes sense when you are exploring a decaying land in Dark Souls, but DeS is about a kingdom that was recently conquered by demons. The absence of overgrowth in the original emphasizes that the wounds inflicted by the calamity that overtook Boletaria are fresh. For instance, Stockpile Thomas is anguishing over recently abandoning his family, and is devastated to learn of their fate. The addition of overgrowth, which is an overused aesthetic trope, makes the world feel generic.
@pareod5 ай бұрын
I just feel like if there is magic in a universe then anything can happen. Also, Ivy is an extremely fast growing plant.
@yaboi-km2qn4 ай бұрын
@@yaboi-km2qn Sure, but at the same time a magical fog could keep a kingdom frozen in time. Either way, the presence of overgrowth drastically changes the feel of the world, and I loved the feel in the original. Still, the remake is fantastic!
@pareod4 ай бұрын
Actually most of that was limitations.
@jdrok50263 ай бұрын
@@yaboi-km2qn That's a woefully pathetic attempt to justify bad world design and any world builder (speaking as one myself) would spill their lunch laughing if you tried to pull that out as an unironic rationalization in a serious environment. The point is that FromSoft CARES about everything down to the smallest finite detail when they're building their worlds. BluePoint, clearly did not.
@Exotac3 ай бұрын
@@jdrok5026 No it wasn't. From has been limited in terms of raw fidelity but they've scarcely ever been limited by capacity to detail, even to the detriment of the game itself. Do remember that Dark Souls, which came out on the exact same platform two years later, had entire areas of the game notorious for severe framerate drops because they were over-detailed to such an insane degree. Not to mention things like the fact Anor Londo was an entirely intricately modeled cityscape despite you only ever seeing maybe 40% of what was there. From rarely compromises artistic vision.
@Exotac3 ай бұрын
i’m kinda surprised you didn’t go into detail about the “bloodbourne-ization” of the soundtrack, completely killing unique boss atmospheres
@fulltimeslackerii8229 Жыл бұрын
Now I’ve never played the original but I will say that the original soundtrack is good and unique but there is a few boss ost that sound better in my opinion such as the penetrator boss fight you can hate on the remake as much as you want but you have to admit the new penetrator them is great
@chestermicgun Жыл бұрын
@@chestermicgun the thing is the penetrator never had his own track
@GiantDad_ Жыл бұрын
@@GiantDad_ yes he just had the tower knight theme so yes the new theme is better
@chestermicgun Жыл бұрын
@@chestermicgun agree that the only good thing that they do but then again i wish his theme would be less badass like ds3 theme and more like tower knight theme and atmosphere from demon soul
@nhan27. Жыл бұрын
@@nhan27. yes I agree
@chestermicgun Жыл бұрын
I think the biggest atrocity is how they somehow managed to make Tower of Latria not scary
@Bobobo-bo-bo-bobobo11 ай бұрын
For me, the fat official's redesign is the most criminal
@grutsthefoodman364511 ай бұрын
@@grutsthefoodman3645Yep. He can't even do the creepy bow he did to the player in 1-3 bc he's too big.
@Ren-gk2tg10 ай бұрын
@@Ren-gk2tg it hurts even more knowing the item descriptions still talk about the fat officials with rocky smile faces
@grutsthefoodman364510 ай бұрын
It’s definitely not scary but it’s uncomfortable especially if you know the lore, the only place that still creeps me out in souls born games is new londo and upper cathedral ward
@lucasbelmonte28328 ай бұрын
@@grutsthefoodman3645 oof that is so tone deaf
@MGrey-qb5xz6 ай бұрын
yo anyone know what the ost at 9:00 is called? Its been stuck in my head for a long while but I dont know what its called
@acoolnickname41952 ай бұрын
nvm found it
@acoolnickname41952 ай бұрын
King's Field IV - Dark Reality for anyone else reading this
@hexcodeff66242 ай бұрын
two notes: Ostrava was isolated from his homeland and father for most of his youth. I think a better point about the oppressive brutalism of the castle-city with the lack of nature being something that was intentional and to do with the degradation within the fog. At the same time a lot of the older textures implied the sort of disrepair and growth; mainly the floor tiles The Vanguard Demon was a reused asset from a previous game. It's definitely a conscious choice to reuse him but it's worth keeping in the back of your mind when considering what From wanted to portray always wished with all the creative liberty they decided to flex that they would've added the cut archstone instead of making it a 1:1 copy of the levels and gameplay but with some cool coins and the penetrator armour
@Aanderan3 ай бұрын
One thing I don't understand really is that while people are complaining about these little changes which have like zero percent effect on Lore implication or gameplay but they are fine with asking Blue point for adding the allegedly cut content and add a whole new area which never existed in the original game. Why?
@nayyarrashid466129 күн бұрын
@@nayyarrashid4661 A short and skinny explanation is because the Archstone itself has always been in the game. Both as a physical Archstone you can walk up to and completely unique UI element in the tendency screen. Combine that with the fact From would later put out some amazing dlcs that built upon lore and unused files you can get why some people may long for such an expansion. A fair bit of the Sixth area is in the game's files!
@Aanderan29 күн бұрын
The music was everything to me. Scores for film are made to help set a mood and compliment the visuals and story. When they changed the score for DeS so drastically, it changed the experience of the game for anyone playing it for the first time.
@jo-almartinez9623 Жыл бұрын
Maiden Astrea theme :(:(:(
@moonkinx Жыл бұрын
The music sounds straight out of dark souls 3 or BB and it's a shame.
@mrROAR104 Жыл бұрын
The main OST track was the worst offender for me. It went from bizarre and disconcerting -> epic and only slightly offbeat.
@Yobolight Жыл бұрын
What even is Tower Knight without the soundtrack going "HO HOHOHO HO" at you??
@dixego Жыл бұрын
Man I REALLY wish there was a toggle in the remake for.the original soundtrack and voice acting
@shoopypit4884 Жыл бұрын
Ok but for real what the fuck did they do to the adjudicator? I thought the implication was that it was supposed to a noble figure. One that judges the souls of fallen warriors and is worshipped at the shrine of storms. There's even a shield depicting the adjudicator being prayed to. (The remake also fucked this up by drawing the art on the shield in perspective and thus losing the look of medieval tapestry that made the original design interesting). If you look at the og adjudicators model it's got intricate patterns over its body and is almost shaped like an antique urn. it's still grotesque, but subtly regal and that's what makes it cool and memorable. They took an ambiguously elegant and revered creature and turned it into some fuckoff ugly monster so they could show off their 4k nipple jiggle physics.
@protolad24585 ай бұрын
It also had a somewhat cute or funny look with the big goofy mouth, which was a contrast to how insanely dangerously this thing is. It might look a little silly, but it's completely evil. There's a sinister whimsy to it The redesign has none of that, it's clearly pure evil and demonic. I mean ok I guess, but the original is certainly more memorable by miles
@Dre2Dee24 ай бұрын
they did the same shit with fat officials. In the original they were a sinister figure with a metallic mask that instilled fear and uneasiness. the new one is just some ugly mf
@reckermatouvc4 ай бұрын
It's a frog-tongued lipless blob with a duck on its head, dude. No amount of people praying to it is going to make it look dignified.
@d.g.61473 ай бұрын
Dude... it was a fat, headless body with a golden bird for a head. Is this really a hill you are willing to die on?
@nawson3 ай бұрын
Reading this comment, I get the impression that you haven't looked at the old Adjudicator graphics in the past 10 years... because it looks pretty much the same, lol. Maybe a bit less shiny/gold? But it was a "fuck off ugly monster" from the beginning, lmao.
@link999123 ай бұрын
always felt this way. I talked about this non stop when DS remake was out and I had played a ton of the OG. A few streamers I follow think the OG has better atmosphere / game feel as well. Something of how everything came toghether created a sum that was greater then its parts. Once they added things to the remake it took away some of the magic.
@bobsteave12365 ай бұрын
Does anyone remember the name of the song that starts at 8:45?
@thelongestjordan44624 ай бұрын
Dark Reality from Kings Field 4. It’s an amazing song
@SvenRedBeard3 ай бұрын
I honestly cannot believe that Bluepoint saw the Maiden Astraea fight and made the conscious decision that "you know what? This fight needs a really *heroic* sounding boss theme!" Like, what the fuck? The original Maiden Astraea theme was sad and melancholy for a reason. How do you possibly miss that? More than changing Tower Knight's theme to not have the laughing any more, I think Maiden Astraea's theme is the most egregious example of changing the soundtrack for the worse.
@combatrobot1443 Жыл бұрын
I wouldn't call the original maiden atrea ost melancholic. But i also don't know what I'd call it instead. Conflicting maybe?
@viktorpagels7569 Жыл бұрын
I also woul'd not describe it as melancholy, even thou there are certainly those undertones. I'd say the theme is supposed to cause tension in the player, a push towards action and make the situation feel out of controll, where in reality the player controlls the situation fully. The music with its constant beat in the melody tells you "go go go". I may even go as far and say that it is not astraeas boss theme, but the players. After all the player is the aggressor in this situation. Thats my take on it
@johnboviLP Жыл бұрын
The "heroic" part of the Astraea theme only starts when you fight Garl and ends when he dies, being replaced with more somber music. I think it's totally fair to musically turn the fight with Garl into an epic confrontation, which then disappears when the hero is dead and his lady is defenceless.
@ferhog7705 Жыл бұрын
@@viktorpagels7569 I'd call it "desperate"
@Vitaire Жыл бұрын
This is my biggest gripe. Original Maiden Astraea was my favorite all time boss music. The new shit is too epic and bombastic.
@Tackitt Жыл бұрын
when you did find grotesqueness in the original, like in valley of defilement, it had a big impact. In the remake everything is grotesque
@DplusTr Жыл бұрын
No, most things are not grotesque in the remake. I don't think you know the meaning of "grotesque".
@flabbajabba9527 Жыл бұрын
@@flabbajabba9527 both games are shit and both of your opinions are shit. End of story.
@TheGrimRaper.11 ай бұрын
@@flabbajabba9527 I don't think YOU understand what grotesque means 😂
@cosseybomb11 ай бұрын
@@flabbajabba9527there are more instances of gross in the remake than in the original and by using grossness in areas where it wasn't needed the original intent gets diluted
@grutsthefoodman364511 ай бұрын
If everything is grotesque, nothing is.
@BestofCalcioIT9 ай бұрын
Bro I totally agree with everything you said especially about the Vanguard demon. When they announced they were remaking Demon's Souls the first thing cam in my mind is how they would redesign Vanguard's skull with those yellow eyes and a well textured black helmet that covers his head making his yellow eyes stand out and deliver the feeling that you're actually standing against a demon not just an ugly fat monster. One thing I noticed in the remake is that they made world four raining all the time. I mean people in that world had something like a myth that it's believed that those flying creatures who through you with spears are responsible for weather change especially when it comes to rain. So when they added rain to that world they confirmed that those people's myth was real not just a myth. If they made it rain after killing storm king that would strengthen the original story confirming that those flying monsters including storm king don't have a real effect on weather or rain. They literally made a huge difference in the remake hoping people wouldn't notice it. I mean just imagine the Island's edge area covered in fog with modern graphics that would be insane. But no they had to become masters who know better than those stupid fools who played the original Demon's souls and enjoyed the lore in detail. I hope when a remake of Bloodborne comes out that Miyazaki himself overseas those arrogant devs and directors who think they know better than the original creator.
@poprex4152 ай бұрын
I believe the elegant thing is how everything looks like the things put themselves together instead of being just a pile of stuff. Like in dark souls, the serpent men honestly look like they actually put their equipment together to work well with them. Overall just a lot of things look like they were put together well
@programofuse87312 ай бұрын
What is the most disturbing about this remake is that when they show trailer for this game we saw a completly different design for the flamelurker and people complain so they went back and change it why didn’t they understand that it would be the same for all of the boss ?
@alexandreauclair8857 Жыл бұрын
there’s a noclip documentary on the remake (great channel btw) and it’s clear from how the higher ups at bluepoint talk about it that the whole thing was a huge vanity project. just like with SoTC they remade a classic, highly visually distinct game, not because they felt like they could do the original vision justice, but because they wanted to show off their technical prowess and impress everyone with raw graphical power. both remakes are just *gaudy*
@manafish8732 Жыл бұрын
Which is why I'm not too keen on them touching my waifu bloodborne
@yaqubebased1961 Жыл бұрын
@@yaqubebased1961Of course I would rather have a competent studio remake the games i love, but in the end nothing changes for me. They can't delete the original games.
@piotr78 Жыл бұрын
This explains why I couldn't get into the SoTC remake enough to complete it even though I have fond memories of the original. They removed the soul.
@heyheythrowaway Жыл бұрын
It's very strange to be proud of the fact that your studio produces no original content, only upscales better work from masters of the craft.
@MidlifeCrisisJoe Жыл бұрын
@@MidlifeCrisisJoe I’d be happy with them if they actually cared about the art direction. Too many good games unplayed by masses because graphics are a high barrier for a lot of (imo nonsensical) people. It’s fine to be an optimizer company, but they are just clout-chasers and not vision respecters. I like the visual flair they can bring, just not in SotC, DeS, and hopefully not Bloodborne because they won’t capture its soul.
@LokiHades Жыл бұрын
Perfect video, I saw one like this with the same intent from Sentinebula (a brazilian youtuber) long ago (like 2-3 years ago), and all the points match. But of course, most people put the video as a "bait", and he didnt get more than 30k views, but it's good to see that people are getting more attention to this criticism right now
@aleshofastora4405 ай бұрын
what's the song playing at 9:40
@aapelikananena96993 ай бұрын
I do think some of the artistic changes might have been done at Sony's behest. The remake feels like a showcase or a tech demo. The kind you'd use at launch to shift consoles.
@michaelkitchin9665 Жыл бұрын
I think that could be it because if you look at what was done for the Shadow remake, aside from the Sword of Dormin and the special edition content everything remained the same, however I think changes in remakes can sometimes be good as in the case of the dead space remake where there’s a lot more moving parts for lack of a better term, something that’s rather simple like shadow should be left mostly how it is but with dead space you have the ability to change things and still accomplish the same feeling
@fivehundredeightyseven599 Жыл бұрын
This was the only thing that made me consider getting a PS5 at the time. Never bought one; gonna start a new run of DeS on PS3 soon.
@discipleofsound4565 Жыл бұрын
Sony, more people who don’t understand or respect the art of the original game.
@denimchicken104 Жыл бұрын
@@fivehundredeightyseven599 Oh Adam Sandler's creepy adventures, oh yes. Black people in the ISHIMURA sure, logic. Not as bad as DeS remake, but still.
@osvaldoprado9906 Жыл бұрын
That's exactly what the remake was well done
@horrorking1000 Жыл бұрын
I enjoyed the remake, but only because i didn’t have any clue whet the original was like. But now im wishing bluepoint kept many of the original elements. There were a lot of good points here, like the vibe of Latria being gone and the fat official being gross instead of decadent
@bignate6568 Жыл бұрын
Im surprised, but it seems remake delevopers didn't have access to og demon souls design documents. No artbook, nothing. Which is so odd.
@redpandah33094 ай бұрын
That's weird. Miyazaki seems like the kind of person who, if they simply just shot him an email asking nicely, he'd be all "Oh! Fuck yeah you can have our design docs! Hell, I'll give you shit from all the other games I worked on, too! Why would you need art for Armored Core 4? Idunno! Take it anyway!"
@grislyboar3396Ай бұрын
This actually happened with the halo remakes. the composers for the remakes soundtrack werent allowed to talk to the original composer. I assume these situations arise because of legal issues. corporations like Microsoft and Sony dont care about the original creators intents because they have full rights to the IP now and they dont want any outside involvement even if they were the original creators
@peradoliaАй бұрын
I’m terrified they’ll do this to Bloodborne. Changing the atmosphere or music would be a crime.
@user-hs9ge3cj9p11 ай бұрын
what makes you think they'll even remake bloodborne. it came out in 2015
@PenguinsAreColdish10 ай бұрын
@@PenguinsAreColdish it's sony. the last of us 1 already got a remaster and a remake even before reaching its 10th anniversary. and according to an insider, a horizon zero dawn remake is already being planned.
@_dandelliam_10 ай бұрын
@@_dandelliam_ A horizon remake? Gross.
@Vespyr_9 ай бұрын
@@_dandelliam_ Gonna make alloy look more butch and focus on how gay she is lol 🤣🤣🤣
@GMOTP57389 ай бұрын
@@PenguinsAreColdishPretty ironic considering the Last of Us news that recently came out.
@ilovecody75149 ай бұрын
the redisign of the officials is the weirdest thing to me honestly, who at blue point saw the old one and went "lets not only make his whole fit just his body and make him look like he midway through puberty but lets also make him capable of frowning" like the static grin is THE most iconic thing about that enemy and the removed it.
@tytsty5716 Жыл бұрын
What’s the background music at 22:55 ?
@peanutbutter61672 ай бұрын
dark reality from king's field 4
@gordonfreeman5872Ай бұрын
A lot of these changes are things that I didn't really notice until they were displayed here. Now that they've been pointed out, I agree with all of them. I'd would like to add a complaint of my own that I did immediately notice regarding The Valley of Defilement. In the original, I HATED this area. I didn't just hate it, I dreaded going there and it always took me a very long time to get through it compared to other places. The reason I hated it was the sounds the enemies made. This cross between a weird moan and laugh, you know the sound if you hear it. This sound made my skin crawl, in fact I'm getting goosebumps just thinking about it. It would paralyze me and I wouldn't want to continue going forward. This sound in particular, or anything remotely like it, was completely absent from the remake. Without this the entire area to me felt so much less threatening. Just to be sure I plugged in one of my PS3's and loaded up the area. Sure enough that old sound still gets to me to this day, so I know it isn't that I've changed. I know I said I dreaded this area, but even so I was profoundly disappointed that the remake did not instill this same feeling.
@metazare4 ай бұрын
Imo this is the definition of nitpicking. If you didn’t notice it the first time, was it really that big of a deal? I think a lot of these criticisms are way overblown, and this is coming from an OG DeS player. Yes, it’s different. But imo it still has overall the same feel as the original, just a little different.
@weglarz3 ай бұрын
@@weglarz exactly. Might as well change title to 'Contrarian goes into way too much detail to justify being mad at something.'
@JordTheeNord3 ай бұрын
@@weglarz I could just as easily argue that if it isn't a big deal, then there is no need to defend it either.
@metazare3 ай бұрын
@@weglarz well sure ig for the points made in the video but for the valley of defilement for them they say this changed ruined the atmosphere for them. And honestly demons souls lives on atmosphere. Also this people clearly has already played the game so they have the vibes of demons souls in there head already so they can look past some of these changes. But for completely new players it will be their only experience and be lacking in the original vision and experience of the game. Sure it'll still be fun its an awesome game to its core but bluepoint thought there were things to be improved because they didn't understand the game fully.
@artoriassif94583 ай бұрын
@@weglarz Not everything felt is noticed. Just because you don't recognize that something is affecting you does not mean it isn't affecting you. I haven't played the remake, so I can't really comment on the differences in feeling between them, but I would hardly call it nitpicking to say it's an issue that their intense sense of dread at the thought of the Valley of Defilement in the original was missing for this person in the remake. That seems like a pretty substantial difference to me
@Disso_nant3 ай бұрын
They also did quite a job on Maneaters. When you enter the arena in original, the first thing you see is a pair of glowing green eyes coming at you from darkess, as this extremely creepy and ominous music kicks in. In remake, you'll see the monster right away and the music is changed to a generic orchestra piece. Not to mention that Maneater's design was changed from a statue embedded with a tortured soul to a hairy gorilla with wings
@Loinenn Жыл бұрын
I didn't know they changed the music... sigh, it's definitely a remake, not just a remaster. Very sad.
@ianwilliams2632 Жыл бұрын
@@ianwilliams2632 They changed almost all of the music and it sucks. Like - to go along with what the video says about the Adjudicator fight; the original had a bizarre sense of unreality. You walk in and this high-pitched lilting tune begins while a fat rubbery golden man-shape giggles at you and the golden bird nesting in its severed throat screams. It's weird in a creepy circus sort of way and while the fight is absurdly easy, that fight alone was what convinced me to play through the rest of Demon's Souls despite how much it was kicking my ass; because I wanted to see more stuff like that. In the remake, you walk in and there's a giant fat guy with a bird in its severed throat, and generic skyrim style norse operatic boss music starts to kick in. It doesn't feel similar at all, and it sure as hell doesn't feel like the same game.
@WeedgokuBonerhitler Жыл бұрын
@@ianwilliams2632play the og then 😢
@based-ys9um Жыл бұрын
@@WeedgokuBonerhitlerplay the original then 😢
@based-ys9um Жыл бұрын
@@based-ys9um you are so cringe man
@igniortix Жыл бұрын
Demon's Souls and Dark Souls always had this magical feeling to them, which no other game ever recreated for me. I've seen a lot of videos that let me to remember this other-worldly feeling, but your vodeo is one of the very best! I will check out the rest of your channel in a bit, but i would really love to see in-depth analyses on the most mundane aspects of these masterpieces☺️ Thank you! For keeping its memory alive and vivid
@ronwiesel5120 Жыл бұрын
Kings field series also has a similar vibe.
@dodgyhodgyo4 Жыл бұрын
Certain parts of Bloodborne had it too, imo. The Hypogean Gaol/Yahar'gul, Unseen Village and the Upper Cathedral Ward are so unsettling and otherworldly.
@themightymcb7310 Жыл бұрын
For sure. I definitely don't ever want Bluepoint touching Dark Souls.
@ladyfox67057 ай бұрын
Here's one. In the original, the Sage Clothing and the Saint Clothing were basically the same model, the difference being the color. This implied that Sage Freke used to be a member of the Church and possibly a Saint himself at one point, before becoming disillusioned. While SOME of these design elements are still visible in the Remake, it is much less obvious and the similarities might be accidental. It removes some nuance.
@invidatauro89223 ай бұрын
I know it’s a silly thing to say, but I wish there was a way to like with halo, you could switch if you wanted the old look, or new look of the game. And when it comes to online you have to pick which version and go online on that one
@HeyhoBrando4 ай бұрын
I really wish that was the norm
@yamnbam43463 ай бұрын
One of the things that irritates me the most is how the Kris Blade is no longer like, y'know, an actual kris? It's such a small thing but it really exemplifies how bluepoint's changes are all arbitrary and backed by nothing besides "i think we should change this... because we should!".
@arsenicsulfide754911 ай бұрын
I only recently started the Remake and have never played the original but I noticed this. It’s just a curved knife?
@meathir49219 ай бұрын
@@meathir4921 A kris is a specific type of dagger - most have the same wavy patterned blade as a flamberge, but occasionally they are straight bladed. But there are no types of kris that look as jagged and, frankly, poorly crafted as the one in the remake. wikipedia.org/wiki/Kris
@arsenicsulfide75499 ай бұрын
The same thing with moonlight Greatsword it’s a faith weapon but now it had a god damn MAGIC FLAME BASTARDS THIS SHIT IS BLASPHEMY AND DISRESPECTFUL TO MIYAZAKI another thing the flame lurker use to be my favorite boss because he looked like a old demonic Viking but now he looks like your damn generic demon from Diablo it’s annoying
@Zoretsu8 ай бұрын
@@ZoretsuThat sword type has existed in games long before souls 😂 Tabletop rpgs had them FFS and Miyazaki was just the director, he didn't create crap for game and as Director only makes changes if investors or execs say so the DEVELOPMENT TEAM actually makes the games , not a suit in and office miles away you ignorant fanboy 😂😂😂 And a Kris is a small dagger, original game had alot of known weapons with bad representation.
@DarkepyonX8 ай бұрын
@@DarkepyonX way to show you have no idea what a Game director actually does its like saying "the movie director dosnt do shit" when he is one of the most important aspects of a movie. He dosnt(usualy) write the script or designs sets, but he sets the tone, he decides what gets made, and what dosnt.
@weberman1737 ай бұрын
What they did to Mephistopheles is a crime, just to show how they managed to make the characters open their mouths when speaking, they removed the mask that covered her face and that made her so intimidating and they changed her voice to a more feminine one.
@yassiryabeta3204 Жыл бұрын
That's a very good example of "missed the point" actually. Destroy a character's identity in order to show off your improved tech.
@MidlifeCrisisJoe Жыл бұрын
I don't want to imagine the horrors they could inflict on Eileen should they remake Bloodborne.
@acherontiaatropos6048 Жыл бұрын
Mephistopheles' mask never "covered her face" in Demon's Souls though. It covered parts of it, specifically the upper half, leaving the mouth and bottom part of her face exposed. The remake made the "holes" for her eyes slightly bigger and made the mask cover more of her lower face. They also gave her a hood. While I personally prefer (most) of the original's design then the core idea of her design, that being a mysterious masked woman dressed in black and gold is very much kept intact and certainly not changed to "show of a moving mouth". As they wouldn't need to change her original mask for that, and certainly wouldn't need to make the mask reach lower on her face. Again I don't personally like it, nor do I think its the best design in general. She has problems in terms of design in both the original and the remake, ironically its the same thing about the designs in each that bothers me but for completely different reasons. In the original the "holes" for her eyes feel too small, while in the remake the feel too big in my opinion. (I think the better solution would be cover them up entirely, as to make it unclear how she sees or if she can even see at all...)
@lukecetion Жыл бұрын
@@MidlifeCrisisJoe Not even. They removed the mask to show it is a woman. It was ideological, the same reason why the crestfallen warrior is now black
@bigdumbfatcat2869 Жыл бұрын
@@bigdumbfatcat2869 ideological? breaking news: women and black people exist. stop inventing issues you child. of all the things in the remake to complain about you choose the two most insignificant and harmless things which were in the original damn game anyway.
@wormwood8352 Жыл бұрын
That comment at 9:30 mark is an exaggeration. It's not about thinking that you are better than Miyazaki, it's about not spending extra time and resources to create an one time only asset. Sometimes devs have to prioritize one thing over another because of the budget or deadlines.
@vintagevideogamenights29232 ай бұрын
Then don‘t make a remake if you can‘t afford to do it right. Also I don‘t think that is the reason and the guy in the video is spot on.
@ElrondMcBong.2 ай бұрын
@@ElrondMcBong. there is a making of Bluepoint's Demon's Souls. The devs talk about that specific asset.
@vintagevideogamenights29232 ай бұрын
The point about the existence of the remake reducing access to the original is so true and infuriating to me. I'm just imagining this being the basis for future remasters of Demon's Souls to future systems, instead of the true original, and that's just sad. Biggest reason I've kept my PS3: so that it's not forgotten.
@elliotmcmanamy6132 ай бұрын
I will never not feel heartbroken over the fluted armor set being redesigned. For me, it’s the best and most iconic set in the entirety of Miyazaki’s portfolio. I could not contain my excitement when Bluepoint announced this remake. I couldnt wait to use their photo mode on the fluted set. Then one day, for no reason, they just arbitrarily redesigned it. Not one fan had ever complained that Demon’s Souls was held back by its art design. If anything, Demon’s Souls was held back by a restrictive camera system that often made it tough to get a clear view of its brilliant art design. Thank you for your video, I totally agree.
@miken4163 Жыл бұрын
And then hiding the original helmet behind a boss that you only get one chance to fight per save? It makes absolutely no sense.
@Excalibur5k Жыл бұрын
Yep. The old design was distinct and had realism to it. Definitely iconic even at a glance. The new fluted armor is a disgrace, looks like some generic knight armor. It also lacks the realism that the original had like the coif protecting your characters neck, which is now gone in the remake leaving your neck exposed in favor of a scarf... The og helm being in the game doesn't even make up for how badly they botched the rest of the armor
@nicke5801 Жыл бұрын
@Maria Flores idk if you played the original Demon Souls, but the female version of the Fluted Helmet looked basically the same, all opened in its front... In fact Demon Souls has a lot of this different designs for different genders of your character.
@blueveil3277 Жыл бұрын
@@blueveil3277 they also ruined garl vinland armor.
@Metalgearfox2000 Жыл бұрын
@@Metalgearfox2000 oh they really did that armor dirty. It went from a sacred silver D&D God-like magic armor to a plain armor plate with extremely exagerated World of Warcraft proportions.... because.... Paladin I guess...
@blueveil3277 Жыл бұрын
It’s almost like one game was made by people who got creative because they thought it was a lost cause, and the other was made by people who were smug and complacent because they knew a graphically impressive launch title was going to sell. It’s almost exactly like that.
@CrunchyVideos Жыл бұрын
Reminds me of the pokemon company, who "allows themselves" to not have overtime and have EXTREMELY lenient work ethics while also switching out lower level devs like they were straight up expandable because "in the end, it's gonna sell anyway" And the technical qualities of modern pkmn games shows it very clearly, leaving very little room for creative innovation.
@iota-09 Жыл бұрын
It's literally a tech demo for the PS5, it's what makes me so mad
@stratovariuscain5854 Жыл бұрын
While that is a fair point, at the end of the day you haters make up like 5% if not less of the demons souls community. Bluepoint games did a fantastic job at remaking demons souls and received mostly praise for their work, so I wouldn’t be surprised if they are rebuilding Bloodborne as we speak
@poordude2175 Жыл бұрын
@@poordude2175You get what you ask for, that’s what I’ll say.
@movieman6456 Жыл бұрын
Man to call Blue Point smug is the biggest of L of this decade. They are passionate and they are fans. The remake is also 50 billion times better than the original. This was an L video
@chandlerlowell511 ай бұрын
one of the worst things they changed is the meaning of the ost, maiden astraea's one sounds like its garl's one instead of hers(its epic/heroic) while the original gave you a sense of dread and made you think if what you were doing was the right or wrong thing
@IkanaidexyzАй бұрын
I never played the original Demon's Souls, but I have played everything after Dark Souls and I absolutely love the atmosphere of From games. I could not point out why the remake fell off, wrong, the whole time I was playing, I did not have the frame of comparison (or any nostalgia for that matter) but I was aware the whole time it didn't feel like a from game at all. It's good to see concrete examples of why that was. Also, a reminder that this remake was made also in part because of how increasingly hard it is to access the original, since there is no consistent way to play it without an actual PS3, so... Yeah, this runs the risk of erasing and replacing the original Demon's Souls
@aWinterCrow3 ай бұрын
It's like remastering a WW1 documentary but all characters wear WW2 uniforms, somehow.
@danksalt5935 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, it reminds me of modern historical movies that change the fucking history it's supposed to correctly portray just to push a narrative. It's not really as bad as that, but both examples involve massive egos and people who think they can do whatever they want. Like, did you know that the kingdom of Dahomey (from "The Woman King") didn't "free slaves from the evil whites"? It was actually the OPPOSITE. At that point the slave trade was made illegal and the Brits told the king to pretty please stop selling his people into slavery. Mf said "aight bet" and still kept selling people, only this time ~illegally~
@dariozganec4885 Жыл бұрын
THIS! THIS IS THE BEST EXPLANATION
@lanceg6197 Жыл бұрын
What did you expect? It’s a new generation of gaming and it’s getting worse new devs are lazy and want cash plain and simple.
@homelander2243 Жыл бұрын
Elden Ring drew me into FromSoft games and I've been going back to play their old games (recently been playing a bunch of Armored Core games, love it). I grabbed a copy of Demon's Souls on PS3 thinking "Well, I'm not gonna buy a PS5 for this, but at least I can play the old version." Little did I know I bought the better version of the game.
@mallow2902 Жыл бұрын
The "better version" is subjective. To me, the remake is overall the better version.
@loubloom1941 Жыл бұрын
Same here. I wanna play the PS3 version of Demon souls after hearing the Maiden of astreae theme and how bad the remake butchered it.
@toxiconflict Жыл бұрын
Good for you
@andrewfleming4027 Жыл бұрын
You got the far worse version mate
@jackreeves7 Жыл бұрын
@@jackreeves7 15 dollars for the original version on a console I already own vs 560+ dollars for a console I don't own and a version of the game that heavily alters the art design of the game? Nah I think I made the right choice.
@mallow2902 Жыл бұрын
Your argument makes a lot of sense. I would add that the real problem with the remake being artistically inferior to the original is that new players will NEVER experience the old one, most likely. So thanks for letting people know they are missing out.
@dvaccaro962 ай бұрын
So I personally never played the original. At first I wasn't sure what to expect from this video and maybe expected a "Rose tinted glasses" deal. But luckily I was wrong and understood to an certain extent how you and other players feel as I went through something similar. Like I said I personally never played the original Demon's Souls but I've experienced something like this with Halo. I'm not going to explain it all as there are tons of videos explaining how the team messed this one up, but we're fortunate enough to have a button we can press to go back to the original graphics and fortunate enough for the core gameplay to remain the same without a Dev changing something because THEY didnt like it. The Fat Officials change really got to me, it's truly disappointing for something to lose all meaning entirely or change thanks to a lack of care from a developer who misunderstands the importance of the original design and story/lore of the source material.
@LeaglRuby913 ай бұрын
The Fat Offical changes read as a very 'American' for lack of a better term to me. Strip out the horror of class-opperession and disgust for the clean, put-on cheery faces of bureaucracy and replace it with body horror.
@matthewball9851 Жыл бұрын
great way of putting it
@LequidAir Жыл бұрын
The original game felt dark, stark and almost depressing the world felt picked from a horror novel. The remake was to bright, too full of life. The original really felt like a dying region removed from the rest of the world as if evil had won and the only ones alive are now stuck in this world without hope. It made you feel hopeless like you’re fighting for something already lost with hope being “what could be,” not what is.
@SINE382 Жыл бұрын
The word you were looking for is _OPPRESSIVE._ The first game felt extremely oppressive and heavy.
@anti-ethniccleansing465 Жыл бұрын
The remake absolutely still has that depressing eerie vibe especially in the first area
@mister-pinkman Жыл бұрын
They give you filters to use and one of them gives it a similar vibe to the OG.
@shoopypit4884 Жыл бұрын
Next they'll be saying they need to add loot boxes, and it'll just be a shit show from there.
@randomsandwichian Жыл бұрын
Actually, I find that they tried to make it too dark. Original is somewhat ominous but in a more regal manner, it's hazy, almost ascetic in a way, and the remake tried to make it more like the later games, darker like DS, violent like Bloodborne, and more stylish like DS3 (and BB).
@jiqian Жыл бұрын
Is the music playing at 8:56 a demon's souls soundtrack? If so, what is it?
@sencremer4927Ай бұрын
And what about 21:30?
@sencremer4927Ай бұрын
King's field 4 - Dark Reality
@MrYTPfan123Ай бұрын
@@MrYTPfan123Thank you.
@sencremer4927Ай бұрын
As someone who hasn't beaten a single souls game, at first I was like "wow this is a souls fan being a souls fan" but once you got to the fat nobles I was like wtf that's an awful design change and now I want to play the original on my ps3 Great video you clearly love this series deeply and it's honestly inspiring
@hexmancer692 ай бұрын
The section about the fat officials is where you got me. Changing them from fat and creepy to fat and disgusting made you just feel sorry for them, not hate them. I only ever saw the remake version and I thought this was going to be a "back in my day" kinda thing but I actually feel you. Imagine Mergo's Wet Nurse had a weird great one face instead of the void. Would just take a lot away from her design. I will however still play the remake and I will most likely still enjoy it (or hate it for other reasons at least)
@larrytotter5790 Жыл бұрын
I like the original versions way more. They look like something you just want to punch in the face.
@infinitedeath1384 Жыл бұрын
@@infinitedeath1384 Just a punch, even after the implications they did to Yuria?
@aliekexie8467 Жыл бұрын
@@aliekexie8467 Ok maybe a couple more.
@infinitedeath1384 Жыл бұрын
Their metal grin and laugh are stamped in my memory forever. Why in the world would they make it into a generic face like that? Do they even laugh like before ?
@Henrque123 Жыл бұрын
I actually hate them all the same, OG and Remake, and I played the remake first.
@nox_cadit Жыл бұрын
I love your takes. I think it lost the atmosphere it was too focused on being “next gen” it lost all the aspects that made the game dingy / dark and mysterious. I hated the look of it. I still can’t get over how badly they ruined the fat officials I just feel blue point doesn’t get it.. just don’t get the atmosphere at all. Edit : you even touched on the fat officials bro you are my spirit animal
@TheVioletBunny Жыл бұрын
I agree, except for the Tower of Latria, that are they took it to the next level
@didixtar2863 Жыл бұрын
You're just nostalgic, you narrow-minded fool.
@Niemandzockt Жыл бұрын
@@didixtar2863 nah no agonizing screams it felt like they still tried to hard to make it “next gen” and missed the boat on the dark extremely smelly dirty atmosphere that runs through the game. It’s like everything is filthy and grimy/ dingy dark etc it has this atmosphere that even from soft have lost touch with.
@TheVioletBunny Жыл бұрын
They ruined the atmosphere of Shadow of the Colossus as well.
@acherontiaatropos6048 Жыл бұрын
@@acherontiaatropos6048 because all they care about is being the latest and greatest with graphics and don’t consider or care about anything else but that, and it really shows in their remakes.
@TheVioletBunny Жыл бұрын
This is why learning your favorite game will be remade by Bluepoint should send a shiver of dread down your spine. Shadow of the Colossus is my favorite game of all time. I played the ps4 bluepoint remake and it was ruined. I've known for some time Bluepoint on a conceptual level is a problem. This studio's leadership might not have the concept everything existing in a game was a choice based on engine, time, restrictions, hardware etc. If anything is going to be changed, this includes graphical fidelity, genuine care must be given to the original intent. This is why I'm not excited for a bluepoint bloodborne remake--the studio just misses the point on everything. Not sure if Sony or bluepoint but it needs to stop in regards to any remake.
@kimberly9147Ай бұрын
Great video but do you think Vallarfax is the guy from the intro?
@sarou34574 күн бұрын
The Demon's Souls remake being *the* main PS5 launch title probably played a huge factor. From a development standpoint, they probably wanted this game to be a visual spectacle. That's an understandable goal in theory, but they chose one of the most visually subtle and restrained games on the market to use as a base. Many games like Demon's Souls or SMT: Nocturne are great because their intentional lack of decadence is part of the atmosphere. It's actually kinda nuts that Bluepoint keeps doing remakes for games with very uncommon and avant-garde art styles (DS and Shadow of the Colossus). Bluepoint are obviously experts at optimizing games for the hardware and more gaudy visual styles, and other games like Bloodborne would have been a better fit for their skillset (not saying they should have had a Bloodborne remaster as a PS5 launch title, just that it's more compatible with Bluepoint).
@asianbronyman Жыл бұрын
Not to mention the Shadow of the Colossus remake actually came out perfectly fine from what I remember. They did a good job on that. I'm almost tempted to say _someone_ just couldn't beat Demons' Souls and decided to fuck it up.
@pleaserespond3984 Жыл бұрын
@@pleaserespond3984I had issues with colossus, lol. The color palette and lack of fog fucked it up for me. Whether the fog was to cover up design limitations or not, it doesn't matter, it is part of the game's identity and I would say the fact that you don't know the real repercussions of your actions throughout the game. IE the fog represents how unaware you are of the consequences that obscured and hidden from your view pretty much until the end.
@GoldenWolf1159 ай бұрын
inb4 they drop the ball for a bloodborne remake.
@La0bouchere8 ай бұрын
@@La0bouchere They put Gehrman in a dress and take his hat off and make him look fat and gross because it's clearly superior to his current look.
@TheStraightestWhitest8 ай бұрын
@@La0bouchere They'd give the Doll look like a creepy Tim Burton-esque design because obviously she's creepy, and they have to make it more obvious. After all, completely disregarding subtlety is Bluepoint's forte.
@Ashlevon8 ай бұрын
Here I thought this video was going to be filled with hipster takes. But you know, I actually find myself agreeing with you on the art direction influencing the story of the areas. Well done.
@danielphillip3104 Жыл бұрын
It's alot of snobby, hipster takes.
@jamesloucks2562 Жыл бұрын
@jamesloucks2562 wouldn't say that, I wouldn't call myself a law person a lot of the changes I don't personally hate because of that but I think for those that do enjoy the environmental story telling, it definitely butchers that to a large extent. Its similar to those that want to change a story put their own stamp on it, like the witcher TV series which is slowly being butchered to the ground. Though the game is still fun.
@logiclunacy606 Жыл бұрын
@@jamesloucks2562 He can have hipster takes at times tbh
@LeBellmont Жыл бұрын
@@jamesloucks2562which parts?
@RevPerdueJosh Жыл бұрын
@@RevPerdueJosh nothing, he's just mad
@bosyogurtlight Жыл бұрын
is there a way to play the original demon souls on pc?
@justbuyarxfatalis358827 күн бұрын
PS3 emulation with a private server for online play was how I did it
@bardista954626 күн бұрын
I watched this video before I ever played Demon's Souls (although I'd already bought a PS3 and the OG to do so). I finished it yesterday. Even before playing the game I found your arguments compelling, having played it I agree with everything said but I actually have some more criticisms of the remake. The brightness in many areas is far too high, most notably Latria but other areas use darkness to great effect and this impacts not just the look and feel but also the gameplay. You can't quite see certain things unless they're either very close or if you look directly at them. The greatsword wielding red eye knight in 1.4 is a great example of this, as are the gargoyles in 3.2. Speaking of 3.2 the sound design of the "heart" beating is changed drastically, in the original it's very loud and oppresive and doesn't beat at all like a human heart. It has a totally different rhythm. The remake makes the sound much quieter and it beats like a human heart and so doesn't sound anywhere near as alien and strange. The music, people have spoken about the music changes before but the ones that stick out to me as being changed for the worse are Maiden Astaea, this one the remake does at least retain the sounds of the original track but just adds stuff on top that makes it less clear and distinct and makes it a more "grand" piece, it changes the tone entirely even if it has elements of the original. Old King Allant, entirely different tone this time with none of the original. Storm King's music in the original almost sounds like a funeral procession, he's a grand beast that has fallen to the ravages of time and is well past his peak. This is present in the music and the visual design of the fight, the remake makes it nothing but a spectacle on both a visual and audio front. In isolation it's cool and I can understand why people like it but it's completely different to the original in tone. Old Hero in the original has a tragic feel with a drum backing that's very distinct and interesting. The remake version is yet more generic "epic" music that missed the point. They also changed Old Hero's cutscene, in the original he pulses with dim light, the camera shifts to focus on his weapon and he grabs it very quickly and jumps down. In the remake he goes to immeditely glowing (looking much more "physical" underneath rather than like a spirit, like in the original) and screams into the camera and you see him in full view grabbing his weapon. He doesn't scream untill during the fight in the original which has much more impact that in thr remake. They also changed Flamelurker's cutscene showing him in full view when bursting through rather than showing it from the side, it's a minor change but it is worse. Also Flamelurker's arena is far too bright, in the original he is the main source of light in the arena which is much more apparent once you've beaten him but in the remake the whole place is lit up with bright orange light from more lava being presence which again ruins the tone. I still haven't seen much of the remake but everything I have seen so far is worse besides pure graphical fidelity. I'm going to take a further look to see what else is changed, possibly at the cost of my sanity.
@fastenedcarrot95702 ай бұрын
I think this only reflects the game industry in general. When I was learning game design 10 years ago... I was trying to get a job in level design, my task was to build 2 maps, a florest and a canyon, so i made a little plot to each of them and a canyon became an connected with a poison swamp where there was an infection and almost everything was dead and the florest was an really beautiful organized florest because of the people that lived there, so they dint like it, they said that a florest needed to be almost random like nature and a canyon just need to have rocks and cliffs... Those are the things I'm seeing in Demons souls Remake, a bunch of people that learned something from someone but never think about it themselves. Of course that new statue would make more sense in some real aesthetics, but never in the demons souls culture and lore...
@alanreplicant8615 Жыл бұрын
A canyon's poison swamp, are you a from software dev ? ;)
@tilleul6917 Жыл бұрын
Hi Fellow Gamedev here, I think I start to understand the problem. I start to learn Business and Game dev bussines model try to remove the drive from the Bussines analasis like Bussines Managment Canvas That is: "What problem we solve? " Bechause games and art dont solve a problem but satisfy a need. I belive this is a huge mistake misleading prety much everyone. Art been over mistified when in reality is a very mathematical calculative building proces, like you described the canyon. As artis I think our job is to toy lead and manipulate human emotions with all the tools discovered by psyhology, than support it with sience related to the subject to give predictability and reason to the world. What need to be understood Arts problems not driven by the drive to happines, but offten trying to schock people out of they innosence, immerse them deep in a feeling they didnt know they can have.
@flyingjudgement Жыл бұрын
Bro those designs are awesome I see nature as fungus as random but flowers as pointed and not random they seem random but aren’t you hit the mark on the florist and the canyon is just awesome they said canyon which can mean anything like a death baller or poison swamp in it
@Lilgip234 Жыл бұрын
That's generally a big problem that lots of great stories get bastardized being filtered through a mainstream lense. And it was to be expected that Bluepoint would do this to some degree because they wanted the game to appeal to the mainstream to make more money. It also happened to Lovecrafts stories, where the mainstream believes it's about tentacles and monsters while it's true quality is something more profound and nameless that isn't captured by superficial monster design. Or take movie adaptations like Harry Potter: In the novels, Voldemort was eerily cold and stern and that's what made him scary. But in the movies (except 1 and 2) they made him more flamboyant and Joker-like, which is a major mischaracterization in my opinion. The mainstream/ big companies tend to simplify and distort the uniqueness of stories to fit them in a cliche, already-known category, because they want to play it safe and not take the risk that the audience possibly wouldn't like something more special.
@lexiferenczy9695 Жыл бұрын
bruh this is happening to Dead space remake elsewell.... for example nicoles office or the area that is bright was specifically made like that to have actual people working there and when it gets dark aka lockdown then you're terrified but in the remake, it has fog and is always dark and just looks like a haunted house more than anything even when the original had dark parts they still had a specific style whereas the remake just looks fogged up and doesn't have a art style to it
@godzillazfriction Жыл бұрын
Hates mainstream, talks about harry potter 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@sergioq94 Жыл бұрын
When I noticed it was being remade by a western company, I noticed it probably fucked the original. Japan and the west have very different approaches to game design, as proved by western developers being outraged by Elden Rings success (some even claiming Elden Rings horrible game design was obviously done by Japanese developers etc). Not saying all westerns developers or games are like this, for example; Skyrim, The Witcher series, Ghost of Tsushima, and Red Redemption are great games. It's just a bit chunky the west think that they are better than the east or the changes they make will make the game better (proven by bluepoint with Demon Souls). Let's just hope fromsoftware's other games don't get the same shit, though some rumors worry me that Bloodbourne is next.
@yoyothefool5607 Жыл бұрын
@@yoyothefool5607 since when was the witcher Western dummy
@godzillazfriction Жыл бұрын
I'm so glad to see someone else say this. I liked the Demon's Souls remake, but this is exactly how I feel about other IPs (my current hot take being God of War), the series changed so much of its identity to appeal to a bigger audience, and the end result is bland. But masses of people love and praise it. Really feels like originality and innovation is at an all time low. Everything fits a neat mold.
@monthc Жыл бұрын
14:00 redesigned fat officials don't even make practical sense. Isn't the whole point that they are "elite" and second to only Alant in status? That's not just from visual clues, that's item description lore that was kept in the remake. That's not how a "rich fat person" looks. Pretty sure if they can afford more than most people they can afford well-tailored clothes💀Imagine seeing *this* in real life and thinking "wow, this guy must be rich"...
@jorlok_zander4 ай бұрын
I just started playing the original last night and plan to play through both, but I really wanted to start with the OG before going into the remake. You make very good points in your video, everything has a purpose in souls games to tell the story with out actually telling you the story and that is what I love about these games! The subtle ways the games tell there own stories without spelling it out for you and making you feel it is bar none! You are literally surrounded by and walking through the story, take it in! I usually start out by disagreeing with you and then realize that you are completely correct and I completely agree whole heartedly lol.
@Dylis3 ай бұрын
Yea you're right. As someone who never got to play either game, I would be upset if BluePoint did a Bloodborne remake and took massive liberties with the architecture or enemy design and the story that it tells.
@horizontide568 Жыл бұрын
I really hope BluePoint don't get to remake Bloodborne.
@SixWings Жыл бұрын
@@SixWings Bro bc of the notification I actually read Ratatoskr pinned on this video and it looks like I copied his pinned comment 😂. This man knows his audience 💀💀💀
@horizontide568 Жыл бұрын
That's very different, there is enough details in Bloodborne to make a remake without changing some elements. Demon souls original lacks details, so bluepoint was forced to add new elements.
@ni9274 Жыл бұрын
@@SixWingsSo who remake bloodborne ?
@ni9274 Жыл бұрын
@@ni9274 Bloodborne doesn't need a Remake. Bloodborne needs a remaster! Or just a 60fps patch and a PC port. Why do you think Bloodborne needs a Remake?
@comeandgetyour187invitatio6 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for making this video. I’ve always had a slight distaste with the “remake” of demon’s souls, and it’s nice to see someone point out what I’ve had issues with. If it was just one or two changes I wouldn’t have cared as much, but it was so many tiny things that didn’t sit right with me. All the fat/gross enemy changes, the attempt at making the ost epic when it was just fine, type A and type B body types ( when they could’ve just removed gendered armor requirements as a whole), and the stuff you’ve already stated in your vid. Another issue with adjudicator’s redesign you didn’t mention. His gold skin helps players realize he’s impervious to attacks. When players see his skin is gold and see they do no damage, they may think he’s wearing armor, or that he’s like the nemean lion, and that his gold skin is impervious. When they changed his skin to look normal, there’s no reason why your sword does no damage. At least before, the gold could’ve been an excuse, but now his skin is normal and there is none. It’s just little stuff like that that pissed me off with the remake. There were other, non-design related issues I had with the game that had no reason to exist. In the original demon’s souls, when you or an enemy blew up an explosive barrel, it’s hit box lingered a few seconds after it had exploded. A remake has no right to leave such a simple fucking issue untouched, especially when they fixed bigger glitches like stock pile Thomas dupe. There’s also the glaring issue of NOT BEING ABLE TO DELETE ANY SAVE YOU MAKE. No previous fromsoft title has had this issue, not even the original demons souls. The worst part is, unlike other titles by fromsoft, fucking up matters in demon’s souls. If you wanted a pure white world tendency weapon and died in human form earlier on, you couldn’t delete the save and make a new one. So now if you make a character and fuck up, or don’t want to play them anymore, they’re stuck on your game until you wipe all of your save data on demon’s souls, which is terrible. I shouldn’t have to wipe my all of save data to remove one character I don’t like anymore. Stuff like that pissed me off and made me just go play the original on ps3.
@nono-lz9qr Жыл бұрын
Dude the not being able to delete individual save files thing is why I'll probably never do a second playthrough of the remake
@donniechant1357 Жыл бұрын
You need to chill dude lol.
@Blue-Apple-fc9eo Жыл бұрын
@@Blue-Apple-fc9eo probably, heh.
@nono-lz9qr Жыл бұрын
That was a good read, myself I'm so tired of these many remakes that add little to nothing more to the originals just to make them worse, in fact it keeps spreading this message that "Old = Obsolete". That "No Save Delete thing" really is unexcusable, like what were they thinking.
@Neon_Henchman Жыл бұрын
The old statue gives me major Nameless King vibes from DS3, the Dark Souls most akin Demon's Souls, and them changing that is heartbreaking
@AnarchyIsLove3 ай бұрын
Bro, they white-washed The Adjudicator! 😭
@wisemage03 ай бұрын
Great video and agree. However, I think this video needs a part 2. There’s a lot more examples you could talk about, mainly the score. I’d love to see like another hour long analysis of the environments and themes. Don’t be afraid to do longer videos
@MonoMemory Жыл бұрын
I second this
@waifuhunter9709 Жыл бұрын
Yes, changing the music is the most mindboggling decision Bluepoint made IMO. That's the thing that really me feel like they completely missed the point.
@CarlNiemi Жыл бұрын
+1
@Tackitt Жыл бұрын
Yes
@ThorKAH Жыл бұрын
The Maiden Astraea music change is an artistic crime.
@Neirean Жыл бұрын
I never got to play the original. I never knew how different the remake was. Now, I feel like I’ve missed out significantly. Thank you for pointing this all out. It’s re-inspired me to seek out a copy of the original game, or at least find a way to emulate it.
@improvcomedy14 Жыл бұрын
RPCS3 can run the game at 60fps, however the only problem I had with the original was that I was trying to play it like Dark Souls 3, which instead doesn't work well due to lack of omnidirectional rolling on lock on and weird rolling bug were if you do attempt to roll at an angle you can possibly roll the opposite way.
@dhgmrz17 Жыл бұрын
@@dhgmrz17 yeah you need to play it more like ds1, roll foward and backstab everything
@Bryndleson Жыл бұрын
Your not missing out I played and beat the original, it's the same lol..the demon souls remake is actually better the graphics compliment it.
@2_572 Жыл бұрын
Its fairly simple to emulate on the ps3 emulator. thats how i played it.
@TheIZproductions Жыл бұрын
You can perfectly emulate it at 60fps, better than the original. You can also play online with other players on a private server. The official servers were shut down.
@golDroger88 Жыл бұрын
Let me count my experience. I've only played the Original Demon Souls, and I loved it. One of the things I loved the most was the intro cinematic where we have a sound and fights that transmit you fear; further the part were we can see how the boss skeleton watches us in a sepia color with his eyes making that you could feel his thirst of blood. When I heard about the remake I was so enthusiastic, I was watching a streaming and expected to enjoy an evolved intro cinematic. However, I've got disappointed very quickly from the first second, because they changed the sound of the cinematic with one that didn't transmit fear. Another thing they replaced was the original fight movements with another that seemed to have come from a template cinematic; the worst of the fight is that they REMOVED the part that the boss skeleton watched us. I agree with you that the developers of the remake disrespected the original work from the first developers. They (the developers of the remake) really thought that they could do better than the original developers, that's way of thinking was very arrogant.
@marcoricardocastaneda63804 ай бұрын
I just think they wanted to do their own thing 🤷
@Greaseball013 ай бұрын
If they wanted to do their own thing then it wouldn't have been called a Demon's Souls "remake." When you go to recreate something you don't just change it just because.@Greaseball01
@Satchmeat3 ай бұрын
@@Satchmeatno that the whole point of a remake to fix things and change things while a remaster is just upping the graphics or atleast that’s what I believe 😅
@Caketurtle72 ай бұрын
What song is playing during the real problem section?
@Live2Play10003 ай бұрын
The remake is visually amazing but my god, it completely murders the feel of the original. The atmosphere and visuals of the original are so unique and captivating
@schmoe5869 Жыл бұрын
This pretty much summarizes bluepoint
@DelNiceBeto Жыл бұрын
Oh so that's why it never felt like a souls game 😅
@yinlo5876 Жыл бұрын
The atmosphere is just as good. Plus you can always use the classic filter if you want the og lighting so what?
@hatchell18 Жыл бұрын
@@hatchell18 The atmosphere is way worse. Plus the "classic filter" is garbage. It looks alright in the Nexus but everywhere else it looks horrible!
@comeandgetyour187invitatio6 Жыл бұрын
@@comeandgetyour187invitatio6 the atmosphere is amazing no idea what you’re talking about
@hatchell18 Жыл бұрын
100%. It's like if a conservator who was tasked with restoring a painting just decided they'd like to paint a new painting over it. Being careful to follow the outline of its "core", of course.
@inkajoo Жыл бұрын
What "remake" mean ?
@ni9274 Жыл бұрын
Ecce homo moment
@mark0183 Жыл бұрын
Please let me know if Bluepoint fucked up Shadow of the Colossus this bad, I still need to finish that one.
@Micolash_is_behind_you3 ай бұрын
I heard they did.
@Meizuken3 ай бұрын
Shadow of the Colossus remake is amazing
@VeryVeryMelon3 ай бұрын
SOTC remake is a dumpster fire garbage, they even managed to make facial animations that look worse than the original ones. Just emulate the OG and it will run and look better than this abomination
@thundercat21653 ай бұрын
What’s the song’s name that starts at 21:16?
@ept32283 ай бұрын
King's Field 4 - Dark Reality
@Ev749773 ай бұрын
@@Ev74977 Thanks
@ept32283 ай бұрын
I wish you talked about the music changes. It tore at me when I heard it was 100% original. I wish they just used real instrumentation on the old tracks, the midi sound sucked so bad, but the songs were there despite that. Also not everything needs to be so bombastic and explosive, it really ruins some of the boss atmosphere because they wanted an "Epic Sound" instead. Edit: I have learned since that the original isn't MIDI. Just mixed badly
@pentexsucks43 Жыл бұрын
some of the new music feels completely out of place too, like the original dirty colossus theme was kinda slow and goofy sounding and it was a perfect representation of that boss, he's essentially a collection of trash and feces that gained sentience in the remake they gave him a big epic orchestral theme for some reason, like he's not a ancient warrior or anything he's literally a pile of shit so why give his fight such unnecessarily bombastic music?
@DontJinxItYet Жыл бұрын
the remakes ost is yet another case of bluepoint missing the point of something completely
@_dibbs Жыл бұрын
The original soundtrack has a very minimalistic "sound" to it, which can convey tension in ways big orchestras don't quite pull off. Sometimes arrangement alone can make a massive difference in how music sounds.
@HeadacheCentral3 ай бұрын
I always thought I was losing my mind whenever I told someone I didn't like the artistic changes around the time the Remake came out. Glad to know I'm not alone
@serene-illusion Жыл бұрын
You are not alone my friend...
@ozanozkirmizi47 Жыл бұрын
@@ozanozkirmizi47 Kardeşim orijinali daha iyidi değil mi ya.
@Tayfungurses777 Жыл бұрын
Nothing like some good old confirmation bias
@johndodo2062 Жыл бұрын
@@Tayfungurses777 no it really wasn't
@johndodo2062 Жыл бұрын
@@johndodo2062 but it was
@joeclarke7982 Жыл бұрын
My least favorite part of the remake is that Latria seems to no longer be in a cave. In the original, it seemed to be all in this insanely large cave, with massive supporting beams high in the sky box. But in the remake, while the lightning is cool, level 4 exists (and I thought that was done excellently), now it just looks like bloodborne. I'm terrified of a dark souls remake, because while I just really want cloth physics and other quality of life like 360 rolling while targeting, I fear for what would be changed.
@lucassmith37902 ай бұрын
My biggest question about Latria is that "Why does a prison have such expensive looking masonry and metalwork?"
@Killicon932 ай бұрын
Being able to apply different filters during gameplay is pretty neat
@SchwaWasHere2 ай бұрын
Bruh after seeing the original compared to the remake , i really see where people come from when they say this, i agree with your take
Some of you wont know how I feel until Bluepoint remakes Bloodborne and changes the things you like. 😔😔
I agree with you 100 % this is the best video you have done and you said what I’ve been arguing on Reddit since 2020 to massive downvotes lol
Compelling points so far. I never played the original, and I think that's why I enjoyed the remake so much. I understand where you're coming from, and can agree with others echoing that I wouldn't want Bluepoint to remake Bloodborne. Edit: finished watching and I can TOTALLY see where you're coming from. The changes you described in Latria alone would make me depressed if they did the same thing to Bloodborne.
God I hope that never happens. I would kill for a remaster at 60 FPS, but they literally shouldn’t even touch anything about it. Just make the gameplay 60 FPS, that’s it.
@@greatestcait Bloodborne PC will be the best game ever made *continues breething copium*
Truuueeee lmfao
One part of the environmental storytelling and lore I like to point out is also in Latria. In the original, the level has these yellow flags, or straps of cloth, spread throughout the level. This obviously, OBVIOUSLY references the Old Monk's takeover and corruption of the area, which the player only realizes later when they meet the boss and see his famously yellow robes, the source of his power. Now Blue Point saw these bits of foreshadowing, figured yellow wasn't scary enough or something, and made all the flags red. RED How do you even miss the point this bad?
Yellow is glory and warm care, red is danger and blood, OBVIOUS color theory, right bluepoint? ... Sigh.
A lot of people think the Latria banners are a nitpick but the thing is that it's so emblematic of the remake as a whole that they had absolutely no good reason to change but did so anyway and in the process totally stripped out a piece of worldbuilding and environmental storytelling, and the same people who OK'd that also approved of *all the other changes* in the remake.
This shit right here is why remakes for Souls games should not be given to studios who are going to take such drastic creative liberties. The Souls game's stories, narrative, and world building relies so much on the LITTLE details interspersed through the levels, art, and character design that changing shit all willy nilly without understanding what youre changing runs the risk of completely ruining it. And the tragic part is that 80% of the people who play these games dont engage with that shit and have no idea its there so they'll just defend bluepoint and say all of us are being "nit picky"....sighhhh.
@@ATC43 in fairness, if they don't notice the changes and still enjoy the games as much as any other fan they'd have a point... if not for the fact that so many people who loved the original didn't get hooked to the remake because of that, or in some cases, people who saw comparison videos and such genuinely liked the original more.
@@ATC43 the reason we say you guy are nitpicking is because you just say the same thing over and over again like you guys say the atmosphere is ruined and you repeat that
The thing about the Tower Knight's OG song is that it's a rally chant. It's symbolic of a kingdom putting all of their hope and faith into a giant knight in order to protect the kingdom against intruders that may mean harm to its inhabitants. Changing his theme into a generic orchestral piece is plain stupid.
Very cool comment. Never thought of the chant like that
It was a really badly conceived and performed chant that made thrilling David and Goliath fights sound like three ring circuses both times we had the misfortune of hearing it.
@@d.g.6147 What a bad take. It's fine if you personally didn't like it. That doesn't change the absolute fact that the original score is thematically in line with the story the game is trying to tell. The remake score is a disgrace.
@@Nomadestra *What a bad take.* Oh, you didn't like it? :(
@@d.g.6147 Cope
I love how you explain that in the souls games the inherent look of things and design is there because they cared to make a cohesive world and context.
I think thats a bit of a misguided view. the souls series if anything but perfect. throughout most of the games there is usually massive glaring issues with its world design somewhere. just look at basically the entire final act of Dark Souls 1, where almost all of the great world design kinda falls to pieces and becomes a mess.
@@joedatius Yeah I think you didn't really get what I meant. I never said perfect, I said that he explained why things look the way they look, and also offered insight into Miyazaki's mentality, his "elegance". Most games can't be perfect because we aren't, as someone who's studying art it's pretty much obvious and the DS saga as a whole has moments where it goes downhill. But what always shines through it's the fact that they CARE about making something good and the appearance and the details in old and new games show that, even going back to games like King's Field.
@@LinneRinne sorry but thats not what he was talking about. the entire point about Miyazaki was about not making something ugly. which in itself is a bad quote to try and use because the games are filled with designs and locations entirely focused on looking gross and ugly. Yeah of course they cared but so did the people who made the remake. but caring isn't a measurable quality.
@@joedatius If anything, I don't think we're on the same page here. I believe I see what you're saying and where you think my comments are coming from but I'm not really talking of games being perfect or an unmatched quality because they cared, it's more nuanced than that, and I do not take Miyazaki's comment on just face value. I think the DS saga has elegance to it in a design sense and in general Fromsoft titles do have it even when the game they worked on is terrible like Ninja Blade. And what I meant in my initial comment is that DS has an inherent intentionality aspect to it, which is how their design cares about environments, item descriptions and how things look and even sound in general. Even in zones that I personally would consider to be terrible gameplay wise like DS2's Iron Keep there's a experience to be had and a reason of why it looks like that in lore. But even if you do not agree with me or think I'm tripping I wish you a good day and I respect your opinion.
@@joedatiusWhat do you even mean by world design in this case? Do you mean the way the world has literally artistically been designed or the way the enemies are placed and designed into the world? They’re very different things, but even if the enemy placement and level design is off by the second half, the world design is still very good and fits into the context of the story being told and explored. The original commentator is talking about how the theme of a place fits with its design, an intentional Miyazaki choice and a big chunk of the game’s elegance, again, not perfect.
Bro, imagine if Bluepoint remade Dark Souls and made Smough into an actual grotesque fatass instead! 😂
I can see them doing that. Someone link bluepoint to vaatis playlist of interesting facts about dark souls so they don’t gloss over the eye holes lol
..... they will turn ornstein into a actual golden lion man. oh god no,
Oh my god. Now I REALLY see where the original fans are coming from when talking about the adjudicators design.
who cares, as long as they dont harm glorious Ornstein 😍😍😍
@@n8doggy733 Ornstein will now be an actual furry
"second of all, no I can't let people enjoy things, because that would prevent me from enjoying the thing I like the most, which is critical analysis and being a hater." Caught me off guard with that one, I burst out laughing.
Based beyond belief.
Same
Truly based. More and more people need a wake-up call that criticisms does not equal hate/hatred.
Yeah funny that he would be some close minded i spent 2k on a ps5 rip the ps3 gow 3 wasn't even that good
@@worsethanhitler4022 Que?
I don’t think people will understand the problem until Bluepoint remakes Bloodborne and gives Ebrietas horrible acne, adds six rows of nipples to Mergo’s Wet Nurse, makes Lady Maria look evil when she is one of the kindest people in the lore, replaces Gehrman’s theme with an epic orchestra, makes the music box play through all of Yharnam instead of near the little girl’s house, and so on and so forth.
Except that blue point never really did all that I’ve looked at the old and new boss designs and really the only one that got a really drastic change was like fools idol and armor spider
@@chestermicgun They did do all that. Ebrietas acne: Vanguard Demon Wet Nurse nipples: Adjudicator Evil Maria: Fool’s Idol Gehrman’s theme replaced: False King Allant Music Box: Mistress in Latria I agree that most of the bosses were fine. The Remake is largely fine and even good. Some designs were on par, some aspects of the boss were sub par but the whole thing was on par, etc. Few were improved imo, like Penetrator’s red parts on his armor and adding a storm to Storm King and the sound design. But a good amount of the iconic enemy and boss designs were made gross looking. Like Adjudicator was a weird potato sack with a tongue and tattoos (I want a plushie of the og Adjudicator) but now he just has gross nipples and teeth. Vanguard looks gross and menacing rather than goofy but menacing. Some NPCs were butchered like Satsuki being a horribly racist caricature. And this is not a matter of preference, that is just straight up morally wrong. I wouldn’t mind the design changes if the remake didn’t replace the original, but it did. When you google Demon’s Souls, the remake is the first result. The original is stuck without a remaster or port while the Remake is pushed in front of it. The original will be inaccessible and forgotten in the minds of many. The moment the og one gets ported or remastered, I can appreciate the remake for what it is rather than kind of dislike it for what Sony made it do to the original.
Just the thought of them doing a remake of Bloodborne terrifies me.
Don't forget every dark level being bathed in supersaturated orange glows from over the top lighting effects.
Don't forget 60 fps/4k graphics
It blows my mind when people say they want a bluepoint bloodborne remake... please god no just give me a pc port.
you can always play the old one what is you on
@@Thecoldsunnot… everyone has a ps4 dude. Also 30fps is gross
@@changedmyname5228 you don't deserve it then... And a PS4 is cheap. I want nobody else but Bluepoint to remake bloodborne. They will do a great job... You don't have to play it and you can stick with the OG if you don't like the remake. Nobody is forcing you and nobody will touch the OG game, it will still be available for you, unaltered. Thats what @Thecoldsun said.... It has 30 fps because its made by Fromsoft and not Bluepoint
just get PS Now, the streaming service. I played Bloodborne on my PC over a year ago, it sadly doesn't have the DLC. Maybe PS will fix that one day and I'll resub to play it again
How about you buy a PlayStation. People don’t realize that also helps these studios receive more funding to explore bigger projects. You Pc guys are so stubborn and prideful I swear.
As someone who never played the original but loved the remake, this was very compelling. What were they thinking with the sound design of Latria??? I love blue point but wow. They really dropped the ball in many areas and I understand og fans frustrations now.
Play the og but honestly neither one is really inferior. It's like many things it's two distinct things.
@@miguelaviles3637 you might need a better soundbar. The clunk of the meat cleaver hitting the ground in Demons Souls remake is the most satisfying thing I’ve heard in any souls game.
@@miguelaviles3637 the magic sound effects are the best, most chunky, most powerful sounding magic sounds I've heard in any game
When I heard the song I was immediately reminded of the Shrine of Amana and was somewhat disappointed because it seemed like the shrine was just a copy of something Fromsoft did before. Now I learn that the original sound design was fundamentally different. How could they be so wrong in the remake? It boggles the mind.
Man, the first boss in the OG Demon's souls was SO SCARY because you couldn't see SHIT. You had no idea what you were fighting to start with, you had no idea how big the room you were in was. It was just darkness and spears flying at you and you'd get a glimpse of a shield and shit your pants!
During the segment about deliberate changes that missed the point, I wish you had included a segment about the Flamelurker. It was apparent before release Bluepoint didn't 'get' Demons Souls vibe. I say this as in one of the 1st trailers they showed off their design for Flamelurker and it was a generic westernized demon. It looked like it was designed for Diablo, not Demon Souls. Due to minor backlash from that trailer, they did update Flamelurkers' design to be truer to his intended design. But it left a lot of questions about what they had done with any content that wasn't included in trailers and didn't take feedback on. Which left us with what we have now.
Melted dwarf king > generic bulky monster
Did you want him to copy/paste every point other KZheadrs have made? This video was practically a regurgitation of other peoples’ work already. You know what I’m talking about lol.
@@___.51 How could I know what you're talking about? This is the only video I've ever seen about demon souls remake.
The Fat Officials in particular got butched SUPER hard. They were supposed to be masked, corrupted humans with the fatness being part of a disturbingly jolly image that did horrible things. The remake Official are just...gross and bloated while also lacking the dark jolliness which completely defeats the point of this enemy entirely.
Especially because vanguard demon isn't even an original design of demon's souls, unlike the flamelurker.
Now I'm imagining dark souls where they play Ornstein and Smough's theme music as background music for the entirety of Anor Londo and redesign Smough so that he's fleshy and sad.
Exactly what I thought. Or Imagine if they didn't like the duo mechanic and just make you fight them one after the other or something. I would be very disappointed.
Also change the Milan Cathedral inspired design to something inspired by ie. Wieskirche or Hagia Sophia.
Also remove Smough's laugh which is on point for his lore
gamers said the same thing when Bluepoint did Shadow of the Colossus, but of course it was largely drowned out by a sycophantic games press who is more interested in flashy screenshots.
Still saddens me that people view it as the "superior" version. It's my favorite game.
On top of the Adjudicator redesign, it also impacts the concept of its whole mechanic. You cant harm it outside of the wound on its stomach because its made of gold armor, in the remake, unless you are aware of how it was originally, its entirely possible to not have any idea why you cant harm it, and you might not even realize that its the wound that lets your attacks land, it might appear that attacks land at random
Can confirm it took me 30 minutes to figure out this, and that It was not a ranged fight.
I snipped him in the head with a bow, never touched him once with the sword. Didnt even know about the wound untill I read this comment.
Honestly in my first playthrough in the original Demon's Souls, I did not realize how I could damage him, yes I might be dumb, idk
Ohhhh, so that’s why. I never played the og game.
This is exactly what happened to me. I was low on health and in a rare occasion of chance, I didn’t have any healing items left. So I was being extra cautious to not die. When I entered the arena I immediately noticed the poor footing I had, but because my focus was where I landing I never really noticed the bird on its head. So basically, I got to the bottom, did my best to dodge and weave and attack, but because it all looks like skin in the remake I had no idea that I NEEDED to attack its weak point first. I died, looked up a guide, and got frustrated at myself for not realizing it had a weak spot I needed to damage first. From the sound of it, if I had played the original then I would have more easily been able to notice the weak point, and then I would have been able to deduce mid combat that I needed to hit it first.
the luck of bluepoint is that demons souls was an extremely niche game, if they make these changes in dark souls for example, they would suffer a wave of hate, souls is not about the graphics but the best set of atmosphere and design that counts their stories, and that's why they are such special games
* I know bluepoint was never going to do a dark souls remake because it's not a sony IP, but it was just to give a context that people were "ok" with demons souls because it's not a very popular game, unfortunately
People complained enough about some slightly brighter spells.
I'd give them a pass to change only izalith and izalith alone, should they touch anything else it's war.
@@fastenedcarrot9570 Personally I complained about the spells NOT working in the remaster, at least the lock on, due to a lazy implementation of higher frames. Plus the bonfire aesthetic was butchered.
@@iota-09 I'd change Izalith. Double the enemies and make the lava brighter. Perfect.
Another instance of this happening in games is Majora's Mask. Where the 3ds remake got rid of the demon face licking the triforce in stone tower temple. Which indicates some evil things go on there. Now it's just generic blocks in the remake. Completely ruins the anti gods vibe in stone tower temple.
Yeah and I was called autistic because I was upset about that. “What does it matter if one texture changed” Like I dunno kind of everything about the vibe of the area?
@@MysteriousStranger50 lol, people don't really get how much symbolism can really add world building. Conveying information without a single word. Unfortunately most people don't notice, or care about symbols, and just chalk it up to aesthetics. It also doesn't help that understanding symbolism isn't something that's really taught. Which adds to the millennial writing style that pisses me off. Where everything is just a reference or derivative of something else.
They changed that and key mechanics, including boss fights. Majora's Mask is in my top 5 games ever made, and I hate the remake.
I'm sorry, there's a demon face LICKING the triforce in the OG version of MM?? What does one type into their search engine to see this? I gotta know. In general, I do feel like MM3D was a bit of a... well, not a mistake, per say, but something that doesn't do its job in remastering the OG. I read somewhere that Aonuma was basically ashamed of MM and tried to sort of nudge it in a different direction with 3D. It's a shame because it's a clear expression of a point in his life where he wasn't in the best of places, but still managed to create something that on the surface is a sad, dark and depressing story, but underneath contains a message of hope. Removing the little things like this make for something that is no longer a faithful recreation of the mental state the creators had been in during the original development, but isn't really lighthearted like its predecessor either. The Deku form not building speed well for lilypad jumps and the Zora form requiring magic to swim fast don't help anything either though.
@@randibillett472 I think the 3DS remakes were perfect in what they set out to do.. but I barely remember playing them because after the first hour the novelty wears off and you're just replaying a game you already know beat for beat. Remakes seem pointless for returning players but are excellent for new comers. No coat of paint can match venturing into these worlds the first time around. Even Link's Awakening remake on the Switch, beautiful job but.. I know what's going to happen. Playing remakes of games you've played is equivalent to looking at old photos. It's nice for a nostalgia buzz but you can't go back. BUT! Again, for new comers it's perfect. Never played Wind Waker till the Wii U port, loved it. Same with Demon's Souls here so I'm not entirely against remakes but from experience and it took me a while to figure this out but I just don't care about remakes of games I've already played... But I'll definitely re-play Bloodborne when that gets a remake. I got the platinum for it, loved the game but my friend beat every boss without leveling at level 4, I tried to do the same, just got past The One Reborn but gave up. Still, to me the game isn't complete until I do this arbitrary level 4 run.
A central problem with the art design, which I think most people struggle to articulate, is how much more positive space there is in the remake over the original. This is a bit complicated to explain in text. Basically, the human eye and brain are extremely sensitive to contrast. Between colours, in different hues, saturations and shades (especially shades). Between shapes, in 2D & 3D. Between shapes in different positions, rotations and scales. Between the size, shape and composition of different groups of elements. And any combination of the above. Because humans are pattern-seeking animals. We naturally pick up on patterns, and breaks in patterns. Contrast is a break in a visual pattern, so it attracts our attention. Dark against light. Red against blue. A circle among squares. An individual apart from a crowd. We tune out patterns, because they don't demand a lot of attention. If we've seen one bit of it, we don't need to see the rest. We can just extrapolate from what we've already seen. While breaks in patterns get our attention, because we have to determine what we're seeing, and what it might mean. Even if the exception is meaningless, our instinct is to check anyway. That's what positive and negative space are. Negative space is any element of an image that is either a repeating pattern, or a random pattern. Such areas of an image don't attract our attention, because they are predictable. You can even make highly-contrasting visual elements read as negative space, by arranging them in clearly repeating or random patterns. On the other hand, positive space is the elements of an image that are irregular. Such areas of an image attract our attention, because they are unpredictable. They are questions that demand answers. And therein lies the great difference between the original and the remake of Demons Souls. Look at the opening of original Boletarian Palace. The high stone walls, towers and turrets are covered in repeating elements. There's the crenellations and machicolations atop every wall; the quoins running up every outside corner; the arrow-slits in the walls; and the whole thing is covered in a repeating stone brick texture. All the contrasting details of the building are organized so that they read as negative space, whilst still being recognizably a castle. Compare that to remake Boletarian Palace. Putting aside the architecture being a completely different shape in places, it's all covered in irregular details. There's the arched stone decorations; the coloured draping banners; the random and overwrought wooden hoarding around the gatehouse towers and elsewhere; and the damage to the crenellations and the fire in some of the hoarding. All of these things are vastly more eye-catching than the original castle, because they are all pieces of positive space that were not present in the original game. These kinds of changes are everywhere in the remake. Areas that were previously negative space have been filled with detail, making them positive space. Which changes how those environments feel, because now they're more visually-stimulating than they were previously. But it's visual stimulation for no other purpose than the stimulation itself. It's more detail for the sake of having more detail, not in service of replicating the original game's experience. And making previously-negative space into positive space is not an inherent improvement. Because filling an image with positive space makes it feel like the whole image is yelling "LOOK AT ME". And in a videogame, the imagery is yelling for attention constantly. It is exhausting. Negative space gives the viewer a visual rest, and allows the remaining positive space to stand out more through contrast. Good art needs a mixture of positive and negative space. The original Demons Souls understood this. The remake does not.
Well said! Details for details sake. This is what separates the artist from the amateur. The artist understands where details are not needed. The amateur fills the space with details and imagines it to be art.
I think this is incredibly well said. I'll add this; I think much of the motivation behind Blue Points erroneous art style stems from their desire to continue the visual style of Dark Souls 1 and 3. I think they failed tremendously, but Dark Souls 3 especially is very busy. In my opinion, Dark Souls 3 is in a minor way guilty of what you're describing here.
Incredible insight. I'm not planning to play any remakes, but I remember looking around in the original, when i first played it, at whatever detail broke the pattern, such as the mausoleum in 1-1, the giant statue that shoots arrows in 3-1, the shanty town in the valley of defilemnt and the pool of blood in front of maiden astrea. Similarly, in the original dead space, which i also replayed a lot, they built each level from negative space, repetitive corridors, yet in the medical level, there are bloody operating tables, in engineering there are also repetitive corridors, but with pipes, of different sizes, that let off steam, and giant fans spinning somewhere above, and the shadow is projected on the corridor you are walking in. You can even compare dead space 1 with 2, which i think is also "loaded" in positive space. The golden rule of game design, is "less is more" imo. Thats the elegance Miyazaki is talking about. This is what more processing power has done for the game industry. Look at how they made the berserk 2013 adaptation, they animated individual soldiers in the backgrounds fighting, and it looks crappy. In the 1997 version, the fights were showed as frames taken from the manga, colored, with clashing of swords and horses neighing, which was very elegant.
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Agree 100% on everything said here. The reality is this BP misunderstood the entire 'point' of what the game is about. The game is about Human Greed and the Cruelty we inflict on one another, it is NOT an 'Epic' Demon Slaying game. The Epic Music with the fight of True King Allant is one of my greatest issues with it. In the original that moment made me feel genuinely sick, with the sound track to match it.
They changed the true king allant music to epic? That’s ridiculous lol. It’s so obviously supposed to be an anticlimax that I almost want to wear a tinfoil hat and say they intentionally desecrated the game. I could see them messing up the Gwyn fight in this way, because it’s less obviously an anticlimax (still pretty obvious), but Allant is like a tiny ooze.
@@sams7068 imagine gwyn with the soul of cinder ost and an full blown chorus and orchestra substituing the piano :V
Love your Videos smough.
@@viktorpagels7569 Thanks dude
You clearly have not played the game. Alant was said to be a good king or at least decent. And though it seems Ostsra has not seen him in a while and maybe only visits little he is nice and raised well He did not sign a deal with the evailent of the devil for power. He grow tired depressed and maybe even crazy and did what he thought would help the world. He is literally a blob mangled and deformed and living inside the Old One with no food or anything but still believes he is helping people and he clearly had nothing to gain from it . He was not greedy or cruel. Play the game then come back and trash the remake
I did not play the original. The lullaby argument is what drove this home for me. I cannot imagine how I'd feel of they remade bloodborne and added the music box throughout central Yarnham. It would absolutely ruin the greatest atmosphere I have ever experienced in a video game. Bloodborne was my first fromsoft game and the crippling fear of wandering the streets of yharnum was the most immersive atmosphere of all. Hearing the music box only from outside the gate and finding a way to get to the window was exhilarating. It would dramatically change if the music played throughout, and even worse if they made it soothing and less creepy.
Lol well central Yarnham does ironically have the music box playing only it’s quite faint, however your point is valid.
@@dylanschmeichel2008 only when you're close to the girl's house, no?
frankly speaking, i think DS1, sekiro and especially elden ring has substantially better and far more creative atmosphere and art than bbs drab constant grey corridors and castle/church spires, but i think theres something about your first souls game's atmosphere that always stays with you. mine was ds1 and its world will always have a really special place in my heart. never have i been more immersed in a video game than my 1st playthrough of ds1 over a decade ago, bb just doesnt come anywhere near to replicating that feeling for me, in fact i remember feeling really disappointed by bb when i finished it the first time, its environments just lacked the creativity and variety of the other games, sekiro and especially elden ring came really close though, especially elden ring, which at some points not only matched ds1, but surpassed it, but the rest like bb, demons and ds3? nah not really, they are fantastic games dont get me wrong, especially ds3 which arguably has the greatest boss/lore moments in fromsoft history! lets see if elden ring dlc bosses can top that, and im sure they will.
@@flamingmanure when I say atmosphere is not just the colors. The true meaning behind the atmosphere for me is the "gothic horror" aspect of it. The way bloodborne's story unfolds aligned perfectly with the changes of the atmosphere, from hunting beasts to literal great ones. I agree that nothing is like a first souls experience, but I believe Bloodborne would've been my favorite regardless. Sekiro was damn near close though! It's the only one that I'm not confident to say it wouldn't be the best even if it was my first. But this purely from a gameplay perspective, not the setting. I did not enjoy the sengoku Japanese era more than the gothic horror. But I would be lying if the many moments like entering the dragon palace didn't leave my jaw on the ground from it's beauty. Elden ring on the other hand is an absolute "meh" for me. Not even close to dark souls. Let alone Bloodborne and Sekiro.
@@flamingmanure colour is not atmosphere, it's a part of it and those games are thematically a different genre to Bloodborne, high/dark fantasy to gothic/Lovecraftian horror, they're not comparable
The original Demon's Souls avoided trends and didn't care about sales. The remake does the complete opposite.
one thing I noticed is that many of the bosses in the remake give me doom or Diablo vibes with their design
I have to also mention that the change to maiden astrea's theme in the remake completely changes the tone of the fight. In the original it was supposed to make you really think about what it is you were doing and the consequences of your actions. These are real, sentient people you are slaying (sometimes). In the remake it feels like a grand fight with garl vinland with a melancholic tone. It doesn't have the same impact since garl was never supposed to be a real threat to you, although he hit hard and strong, he was designed to be able to be killed easily, you were supposed to be unstoppable, and astrea showed you what that means.
Personally and I will admit I’m a bit mixed on this. I find it more infuriating they didn’t fix Garl’s ai. Seriously in footage of the remake he looks so damn dumb that it takes me out of it. I do get the change of tone being an issue but what frustrated me is Blue Point even saw janky stuff from the original and went,”Yeah thats fine.”
I hate is how they changed Astrea's Direction in her defeat quote. Seriously the amount of Venom and Vitriol in the original line when she says " Take your Precious Demon's Soul" hammered in the tone of her fight, in the remake she sounds so bored like she barely cares that Garl died.
@@Kage-pm6qi yeah. It honestly feels like blue point fucked up so much. Hell the AI is what bothered me about the whole fight because it was something that should of been noticed and adjusted…instead they took liberties with music and such.
@@123darkelf yeah exactly the remake wanted you to remember the fight against the garl vinland, but that was always a shitty fight and they did nothing to change it.
@@pranaviyer8178 yeah. Its like,”AH MUR BADASS MUSIC MAKE BETTER,” but Garl still a dumba-“ITTTTT BETTA!”
You convinced me at the fat official example. That's actually pretty outrategous.
It's weird as that is like the first thing I heard about the game was the redesign
Same here. I didn't buy the overinterpretation and assumption of motives and arrogance on the Tower Knight comment, but then the video delivered VERY GOOD points afterwards starting with the fat official and turned me around
@@Ruffy112 Yeah lol I was like “overgrown plants? Seriously?”, but the fat official redesign point is very fair as someone who only played the remake (first souls game too). The OG fat officials look menacing, snobby, and like complete assholes. The remake one still made me hate him in 1-3, don’t get me wrong, but they looked more disgusting and disfigured than anything. I still kinda got the point when I was playing through, but the original design looked better. Same with the Tower of Latria stuff, although I did kinda like how calm it was, it probably would’ve felt completely different with the scarier vibes of the original. I’d be pissed if someone redesigned my favorite game and ruined the charm/atmosphere of it too. The graphics were excellent on the remake though and I’d say overall it was very good.
I would've forgiven everything else since it's pretty nit-picky, but changing the fat officials to not have the creepy smiling face is the worst artistic choice they could've made
Yeah everything before that was kinda ridiculous (especially the "classic filter" thing) but everything after that is straight facts.
I knew Bluepoint didn't understand Demon's Souls when i heard they changed--not just updated but outright rewrote--the music. The dude said their job was to make the game not like it actually was but like people remember it. Well, i dunno about him but that's not how i remember Demon's Souls.
I feel the same about Shadow of the Colossus remake
For real, blue point is all misses for me
“They didn’t like the anime warrior guy” is a perfect line to why they changed the art style.
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Dumb-ass A person who whines about a remake being "bad" when the original is still available to play
@@relton66 The original ISNT still available to play fully since the servers have been disconnected.
Then quit whining and play the game
Wonder what this thread was about before the comments got (seemingly?) deleted
The most obvious area where the remake contrasts the original is the soundtrack, understated songs are replaced by bombastic melodies. Changes like that affect the tone and give the game a different feel. Having played neither of the two games though I did listen to both osts, I find the original's to be better by its theme, best seen by the difference in maiden astraea's theme from the two games.
Some ost is good. The remake tries a new feel than the original.
@@relton66 While some tracks on their own sound good, they clash a ton with the overall tone of the game
Flamelurker’s theme is a better example, I feel like astrea’s is genuinely great for both versions of the game. While flamelurker’s theme sounds “better” in the remake, it isn’t demons souls
@@yamnbam4346 flamelurker was the one theme that felt way out of place in the original. Fighting a giant hulking fire monster that explodes while listening to a funeral song. Didn’t fit at all. That’s the one fight the remake did better, everything else missed the mark.
@@bigsmall2842 if you think Flamelurker's original theme "didn't fit" then you know nothing about Flamelurker
Bro, they turned the Flamelurker into a fucking Diablo monster and then call us whiny? xD
First off, I enjoy both the original and remake, and I only play the remake now for accessibility reasons. However, I agree that the "overgrown" aesthetic is misplaced in Boletaria. When the remake first debuted, my biggest concern was the presence of so much foliage. It makes sense when you are exploring a decaying land in Dark Souls, but DeS is about a kingdom that was recently conquered by demons. The absence of overgrowth in the original emphasizes that the wounds inflicted by the calamity that overtook Boletaria are fresh. For instance, Stockpile Thomas is anguishing over recently abandoning his family, and is devastated to learn of their fate. The addition of overgrowth, which is an overused aesthetic trope, makes the world feel generic.
I just feel like if there is magic in a universe then anything can happen. Also, Ivy is an extremely fast growing plant.
@@yaboi-km2qn Sure, but at the same time a magical fog could keep a kingdom frozen in time. Either way, the presence of overgrowth drastically changes the feel of the world, and I loved the feel in the original. Still, the remake is fantastic!
Actually most of that was limitations.
@@yaboi-km2qn That's a woefully pathetic attempt to justify bad world design and any world builder (speaking as one myself) would spill their lunch laughing if you tried to pull that out as an unironic rationalization in a serious environment. The point is that FromSoft CARES about everything down to the smallest finite detail when they're building their worlds. BluePoint, clearly did not.
@@jdrok5026 No it wasn't. From has been limited in terms of raw fidelity but they've scarcely ever been limited by capacity to detail, even to the detriment of the game itself. Do remember that Dark Souls, which came out on the exact same platform two years later, had entire areas of the game notorious for severe framerate drops because they were over-detailed to such an insane degree. Not to mention things like the fact Anor Londo was an entirely intricately modeled cityscape despite you only ever seeing maybe 40% of what was there. From rarely compromises artistic vision.
i’m kinda surprised you didn’t go into detail about the “bloodbourne-ization” of the soundtrack, completely killing unique boss atmospheres
Now I’ve never played the original but I will say that the original soundtrack is good and unique but there is a few boss ost that sound better in my opinion such as the penetrator boss fight you can hate on the remake as much as you want but you have to admit the new penetrator them is great
@@chestermicgun the thing is the penetrator never had his own track
@@GiantDad_ yes he just had the tower knight theme so yes the new theme is better
@@chestermicgun agree that the only good thing that they do but then again i wish his theme would be less badass like ds3 theme and more like tower knight theme and atmosphere from demon soul
@@nhan27. yes I agree
I think the biggest atrocity is how they somehow managed to make Tower of Latria not scary
For me, the fat official's redesign is the most criminal
@@grutsthefoodman3645Yep. He can't even do the creepy bow he did to the player in 1-3 bc he's too big.
@@Ren-gk2tg it hurts even more knowing the item descriptions still talk about the fat officials with rocky smile faces
It’s definitely not scary but it’s uncomfortable especially if you know the lore, the only place that still creeps me out in souls born games is new londo and upper cathedral ward
@@grutsthefoodman3645 oof that is so tone deaf
yo anyone know what the ost at 9:00 is called? Its been stuck in my head for a long while but I dont know what its called
nvm found it
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two notes: Ostrava was isolated from his homeland and father for most of his youth. I think a better point about the oppressive brutalism of the castle-city with the lack of nature being something that was intentional and to do with the degradation within the fog. At the same time a lot of the older textures implied the sort of disrepair and growth; mainly the floor tiles The Vanguard Demon was a reused asset from a previous game. It's definitely a conscious choice to reuse him but it's worth keeping in the back of your mind when considering what From wanted to portray always wished with all the creative liberty they decided to flex that they would've added the cut archstone instead of making it a 1:1 copy of the levels and gameplay but with some cool coins and the penetrator armour
One thing I don't understand really is that while people are complaining about these little changes which have like zero percent effect on Lore implication or gameplay but they are fine with asking Blue point for adding the allegedly cut content and add a whole new area which never existed in the original game. Why?
@@nayyarrashid4661 A short and skinny explanation is because the Archstone itself has always been in the game. Both as a physical Archstone you can walk up to and completely unique UI element in the tendency screen. Combine that with the fact From would later put out some amazing dlcs that built upon lore and unused files you can get why some people may long for such an expansion. A fair bit of the Sixth area is in the game's files!
The music was everything to me. Scores for film are made to help set a mood and compliment the visuals and story. When they changed the score for DeS so drastically, it changed the experience of the game for anyone playing it for the first time.
Maiden Astrea theme :(:(:(
The music sounds straight out of dark souls 3 or BB and it's a shame.
The main OST track was the worst offender for me. It went from bizarre and disconcerting -> epic and only slightly offbeat.
What even is Tower Knight without the soundtrack going "HO HOHOHO HO" at you??
Man I REALLY wish there was a toggle in the remake for.the original soundtrack and voice acting
Ok but for real what the fuck did they do to the adjudicator? I thought the implication was that it was supposed to a noble figure. One that judges the souls of fallen warriors and is worshipped at the shrine of storms. There's even a shield depicting the adjudicator being prayed to. (The remake also fucked this up by drawing the art on the shield in perspective and thus losing the look of medieval tapestry that made the original design interesting). If you look at the og adjudicators model it's got intricate patterns over its body and is almost shaped like an antique urn. it's still grotesque, but subtly regal and that's what makes it cool and memorable. They took an ambiguously elegant and revered creature and turned it into some fuckoff ugly monster so they could show off their 4k nipple jiggle physics.
It also had a somewhat cute or funny look with the big goofy mouth, which was a contrast to how insanely dangerously this thing is. It might look a little silly, but it's completely evil. There's a sinister whimsy to it The redesign has none of that, it's clearly pure evil and demonic. I mean ok I guess, but the original is certainly more memorable by miles
they did the same shit with fat officials. In the original they were a sinister figure with a metallic mask that instilled fear and uneasiness. the new one is just some ugly mf
It's a frog-tongued lipless blob with a duck on its head, dude. No amount of people praying to it is going to make it look dignified.
Dude... it was a fat, headless body with a golden bird for a head. Is this really a hill you are willing to die on?
Reading this comment, I get the impression that you haven't looked at the old Adjudicator graphics in the past 10 years... because it looks pretty much the same, lol. Maybe a bit less shiny/gold? But it was a "fuck off ugly monster" from the beginning, lmao.
always felt this way. I talked about this non stop when DS remake was out and I had played a ton of the OG. A few streamers I follow think the OG has better atmosphere / game feel as well. Something of how everything came toghether created a sum that was greater then its parts. Once they added things to the remake it took away some of the magic.
Does anyone remember the name of the song that starts at 8:45?
Dark Reality from Kings Field 4. It’s an amazing song
I honestly cannot believe that Bluepoint saw the Maiden Astraea fight and made the conscious decision that "you know what? This fight needs a really *heroic* sounding boss theme!" Like, what the fuck? The original Maiden Astraea theme was sad and melancholy for a reason. How do you possibly miss that? More than changing Tower Knight's theme to not have the laughing any more, I think Maiden Astraea's theme is the most egregious example of changing the soundtrack for the worse.
I wouldn't call the original maiden atrea ost melancholic. But i also don't know what I'd call it instead. Conflicting maybe?
I also woul'd not describe it as melancholy, even thou there are certainly those undertones. I'd say the theme is supposed to cause tension in the player, a push towards action and make the situation feel out of controll, where in reality the player controlls the situation fully. The music with its constant beat in the melody tells you "go go go". I may even go as far and say that it is not astraeas boss theme, but the players. After all the player is the aggressor in this situation. Thats my take on it
The "heroic" part of the Astraea theme only starts when you fight Garl and ends when he dies, being replaced with more somber music. I think it's totally fair to musically turn the fight with Garl into an epic confrontation, which then disappears when the hero is dead and his lady is defenceless.
@@viktorpagels7569 I'd call it "desperate"
This is my biggest gripe. Original Maiden Astraea was my favorite all time boss music. The new shit is too epic and bombastic.
when you did find grotesqueness in the original, like in valley of defilement, it had a big impact. In the remake everything is grotesque
No, most things are not grotesque in the remake. I don't think you know the meaning of "grotesque".
@@flabbajabba9527 both games are shit and both of your opinions are shit. End of story.
@@flabbajabba9527 I don't think YOU understand what grotesque means 😂
@@flabbajabba9527there are more instances of gross in the remake than in the original and by using grossness in areas where it wasn't needed the original intent gets diluted
If everything is grotesque, nothing is.
Bro I totally agree with everything you said especially about the Vanguard demon. When they announced they were remaking Demon's Souls the first thing cam in my mind is how they would redesign Vanguard's skull with those yellow eyes and a well textured black helmet that covers his head making his yellow eyes stand out and deliver the feeling that you're actually standing against a demon not just an ugly fat monster. One thing I noticed in the remake is that they made world four raining all the time. I mean people in that world had something like a myth that it's believed that those flying creatures who through you with spears are responsible for weather change especially when it comes to rain. So when they added rain to that world they confirmed that those people's myth was real not just a myth. If they made it rain after killing storm king that would strengthen the original story confirming that those flying monsters including storm king don't have a real effect on weather or rain. They literally made a huge difference in the remake hoping people wouldn't notice it. I mean just imagine the Island's edge area covered in fog with modern graphics that would be insane. But no they had to become masters who know better than those stupid fools who played the original Demon's souls and enjoyed the lore in detail. I hope when a remake of Bloodborne comes out that Miyazaki himself overseas those arrogant devs and directors who think they know better than the original creator.
I believe the elegant thing is how everything looks like the things put themselves together instead of being just a pile of stuff. Like in dark souls, the serpent men honestly look like they actually put their equipment together to work well with them. Overall just a lot of things look like they were put together well
What is the most disturbing about this remake is that when they show trailer for this game we saw a completly different design for the flamelurker and people complain so they went back and change it why didn’t they understand that it would be the same for all of the boss ?
there’s a noclip documentary on the remake (great channel btw) and it’s clear from how the higher ups at bluepoint talk about it that the whole thing was a huge vanity project. just like with SoTC they remade a classic, highly visually distinct game, not because they felt like they could do the original vision justice, but because they wanted to show off their technical prowess and impress everyone with raw graphical power. both remakes are just *gaudy*
Which is why I'm not too keen on them touching my waifu bloodborne
@@yaqubebased1961Of course I would rather have a competent studio remake the games i love, but in the end nothing changes for me. They can't delete the original games.
This explains why I couldn't get into the SoTC remake enough to complete it even though I have fond memories of the original. They removed the soul.
It's very strange to be proud of the fact that your studio produces no original content, only upscales better work from masters of the craft.
@@MidlifeCrisisJoe I’d be happy with them if they actually cared about the art direction. Too many good games unplayed by masses because graphics are a high barrier for a lot of (imo nonsensical) people. It’s fine to be an optimizer company, but they are just clout-chasers and not vision respecters. I like the visual flair they can bring, just not in SotC, DeS, and hopefully not Bloodborne because they won’t capture its soul.
Perfect video, I saw one like this with the same intent from Sentinebula (a brazilian youtuber) long ago (like 2-3 years ago), and all the points match. But of course, most people put the video as a "bait", and he didnt get more than 30k views, but it's good to see that people are getting more attention to this criticism right now
what's the song playing at 9:40
I do think some of the artistic changes might have been done at Sony's behest. The remake feels like a showcase or a tech demo. The kind you'd use at launch to shift consoles.
I think that could be it because if you look at what was done for the Shadow remake, aside from the Sword of Dormin and the special edition content everything remained the same, however I think changes in remakes can sometimes be good as in the case of the dead space remake where there’s a lot more moving parts for lack of a better term, something that’s rather simple like shadow should be left mostly how it is but with dead space you have the ability to change things and still accomplish the same feeling
This was the only thing that made me consider getting a PS5 at the time. Never bought one; gonna start a new run of DeS on PS3 soon.
Sony, more people who don’t understand or respect the art of the original game.
@@fivehundredeightyseven599 Oh Adam Sandler's creepy adventures, oh yes. Black people in the ISHIMURA sure, logic. Not as bad as DeS remake, but still.
That's exactly what the remake was well done
I enjoyed the remake, but only because i didn’t have any clue whet the original was like. But now im wishing bluepoint kept many of the original elements. There were a lot of good points here, like the vibe of Latria being gone and the fat official being gross instead of decadent
Im surprised, but it seems remake delevopers didn't have access to og demon souls design documents. No artbook, nothing. Which is so odd.
That's weird. Miyazaki seems like the kind of person who, if they simply just shot him an email asking nicely, he'd be all "Oh! Fuck yeah you can have our design docs! Hell, I'll give you shit from all the other games I worked on, too! Why would you need art for Armored Core 4? Idunno! Take it anyway!"
This actually happened with the halo remakes. the composers for the remakes soundtrack werent allowed to talk to the original composer. I assume these situations arise because of legal issues. corporations like Microsoft and Sony dont care about the original creators intents because they have full rights to the IP now and they dont want any outside involvement even if they were the original creators
I’m terrified they’ll do this to Bloodborne. Changing the atmosphere or music would be a crime.
what makes you think they'll even remake bloodborne. it came out in 2015
@@PenguinsAreColdish it's sony. the last of us 1 already got a remaster and a remake even before reaching its 10th anniversary. and according to an insider, a horizon zero dawn remake is already being planned.
@@_dandelliam_ A horizon remake? Gross.
@@_dandelliam_ Gonna make alloy look more butch and focus on how gay she is lol 🤣🤣🤣
@@PenguinsAreColdishPretty ironic considering the Last of Us news that recently came out.
the redisign of the officials is the weirdest thing to me honestly, who at blue point saw the old one and went "lets not only make his whole fit just his body and make him look like he midway through puberty but lets also make him capable of frowning" like the static grin is THE most iconic thing about that enemy and the removed it.
What’s the background music at 22:55 ?
dark reality from king's field 4
A lot of these changes are things that I didn't really notice until they were displayed here. Now that they've been pointed out, I agree with all of them. I'd would like to add a complaint of my own that I did immediately notice regarding The Valley of Defilement. In the original, I HATED this area. I didn't just hate it, I dreaded going there and it always took me a very long time to get through it compared to other places. The reason I hated it was the sounds the enemies made. This cross between a weird moan and laugh, you know the sound if you hear it. This sound made my skin crawl, in fact I'm getting goosebumps just thinking about it. It would paralyze me and I wouldn't want to continue going forward. This sound in particular, or anything remotely like it, was completely absent from the remake. Without this the entire area to me felt so much less threatening. Just to be sure I plugged in one of my PS3's and loaded up the area. Sure enough that old sound still gets to me to this day, so I know it isn't that I've changed. I know I said I dreaded this area, but even so I was profoundly disappointed that the remake did not instill this same feeling.
Imo this is the definition of nitpicking. If you didn’t notice it the first time, was it really that big of a deal? I think a lot of these criticisms are way overblown, and this is coming from an OG DeS player. Yes, it’s different. But imo it still has overall the same feel as the original, just a little different.
@@weglarz exactly. Might as well change title to 'Contrarian goes into way too much detail to justify being mad at something.'
@@weglarz I could just as easily argue that if it isn't a big deal, then there is no need to defend it either.
@@weglarz well sure ig for the points made in the video but for the valley of defilement for them they say this changed ruined the atmosphere for them. And honestly demons souls lives on atmosphere. Also this people clearly has already played the game so they have the vibes of demons souls in there head already so they can look past some of these changes. But for completely new players it will be their only experience and be lacking in the original vision and experience of the game. Sure it'll still be fun its an awesome game to its core but bluepoint thought there were things to be improved because they didn't understand the game fully.
@@weglarz Not everything felt is noticed. Just because you don't recognize that something is affecting you does not mean it isn't affecting you. I haven't played the remake, so I can't really comment on the differences in feeling between them, but I would hardly call it nitpicking to say it's an issue that their intense sense of dread at the thought of the Valley of Defilement in the original was missing for this person in the remake. That seems like a pretty substantial difference to me
They also did quite a job on Maneaters. When you enter the arena in original, the first thing you see is a pair of glowing green eyes coming at you from darkess, as this extremely creepy and ominous music kicks in. In remake, you'll see the monster right away and the music is changed to a generic orchestra piece. Not to mention that Maneater's design was changed from a statue embedded with a tortured soul to a hairy gorilla with wings
I didn't know they changed the music... sigh, it's definitely a remake, not just a remaster. Very sad.
@@ianwilliams2632 They changed almost all of the music and it sucks. Like - to go along with what the video says about the Adjudicator fight; the original had a bizarre sense of unreality. You walk in and this high-pitched lilting tune begins while a fat rubbery golden man-shape giggles at you and the golden bird nesting in its severed throat screams. It's weird in a creepy circus sort of way and while the fight is absurdly easy, that fight alone was what convinced me to play through the rest of Demon's Souls despite how much it was kicking my ass; because I wanted to see more stuff like that. In the remake, you walk in and there's a giant fat guy with a bird in its severed throat, and generic skyrim style norse operatic boss music starts to kick in. It doesn't feel similar at all, and it sure as hell doesn't feel like the same game.
@@ianwilliams2632play the og then 😢
@@WeedgokuBonerhitlerplay the original then 😢
@@based-ys9um you are so cringe man
Demon's Souls and Dark Souls always had this magical feeling to them, which no other game ever recreated for me. I've seen a lot of videos that let me to remember this other-worldly feeling, but your vodeo is one of the very best! I will check out the rest of your channel in a bit, but i would really love to see in-depth analyses on the most mundane aspects of these masterpieces☺️ Thank you! For keeping its memory alive and vivid
Kings field series also has a similar vibe.
Certain parts of Bloodborne had it too, imo. The Hypogean Gaol/Yahar'gul, Unseen Village and the Upper Cathedral Ward are so unsettling and otherworldly.
For sure. I definitely don't ever want Bluepoint touching Dark Souls.
Here's one. In the original, the Sage Clothing and the Saint Clothing were basically the same model, the difference being the color. This implied that Sage Freke used to be a member of the Church and possibly a Saint himself at one point, before becoming disillusioned. While SOME of these design elements are still visible in the Remake, it is much less obvious and the similarities might be accidental. It removes some nuance.
I know it’s a silly thing to say, but I wish there was a way to like with halo, you could switch if you wanted the old look, or new look of the game. And when it comes to online you have to pick which version and go online on that one
I really wish that was the norm
One of the things that irritates me the most is how the Kris Blade is no longer like, y'know, an actual kris? It's such a small thing but it really exemplifies how bluepoint's changes are all arbitrary and backed by nothing besides "i think we should change this... because we should!".
I only recently started the Remake and have never played the original but I noticed this. It’s just a curved knife?
@@meathir4921 A kris is a specific type of dagger - most have the same wavy patterned blade as a flamberge, but occasionally they are straight bladed. But there are no types of kris that look as jagged and, frankly, poorly crafted as the one in the remake. wikipedia.org/wiki/Kris
The same thing with moonlight Greatsword it’s a faith weapon but now it had a god damn MAGIC FLAME BASTARDS THIS SHIT IS BLASPHEMY AND DISRESPECTFUL TO MIYAZAKI another thing the flame lurker use to be my favorite boss because he looked like a old demonic Viking but now he looks like your damn generic demon from Diablo it’s annoying
@@ZoretsuThat sword type has existed in games long before souls 😂 Tabletop rpgs had them FFS and Miyazaki was just the director, he didn't create crap for game and as Director only makes changes if investors or execs say so the DEVELOPMENT TEAM actually makes the games , not a suit in and office miles away you ignorant fanboy 😂😂😂 And a Kris is a small dagger, original game had alot of known weapons with bad representation.
@@DarkepyonX way to show you have no idea what a Game director actually does its like saying "the movie director dosnt do shit" when he is one of the most important aspects of a movie. He dosnt(usualy) write the script or designs sets, but he sets the tone, he decides what gets made, and what dosnt.
What they did to Mephistopheles is a crime, just to show how they managed to make the characters open their mouths when speaking, they removed the mask that covered her face and that made her so intimidating and they changed her voice to a more feminine one.
That's a very good example of "missed the point" actually. Destroy a character's identity in order to show off your improved tech.
I don't want to imagine the horrors they could inflict on Eileen should they remake Bloodborne.
Mephistopheles' mask never "covered her face" in Demon's Souls though. It covered parts of it, specifically the upper half, leaving the mouth and bottom part of her face exposed. The remake made the "holes" for her eyes slightly bigger and made the mask cover more of her lower face. They also gave her a hood. While I personally prefer (most) of the original's design then the core idea of her design, that being a mysterious masked woman dressed in black and gold is very much kept intact and certainly not changed to "show of a moving mouth". As they wouldn't need to change her original mask for that, and certainly wouldn't need to make the mask reach lower on her face. Again I don't personally like it, nor do I think its the best design in general. She has problems in terms of design in both the original and the remake, ironically its the same thing about the designs in each that bothers me but for completely different reasons. In the original the "holes" for her eyes feel too small, while in the remake the feel too big in my opinion. (I think the better solution would be cover them up entirely, as to make it unclear how she sees or if she can even see at all...)
@@MidlifeCrisisJoe Not even. They removed the mask to show it is a woman. It was ideological, the same reason why the crestfallen warrior is now black
@@bigdumbfatcat2869 ideological? breaking news: women and black people exist. stop inventing issues you child. of all the things in the remake to complain about you choose the two most insignificant and harmless things which were in the original damn game anyway.
That comment at 9:30 mark is an exaggeration. It's not about thinking that you are better than Miyazaki, it's about not spending extra time and resources to create an one time only asset. Sometimes devs have to prioritize one thing over another because of the budget or deadlines.
Then don‘t make a remake if you can‘t afford to do it right. Also I don‘t think that is the reason and the guy in the video is spot on.
@@ElrondMcBong. there is a making of Bluepoint's Demon's Souls. The devs talk about that specific asset.
The point about the existence of the remake reducing access to the original is so true and infuriating to me. I'm just imagining this being the basis for future remasters of Demon's Souls to future systems, instead of the true original, and that's just sad. Biggest reason I've kept my PS3: so that it's not forgotten.
I will never not feel heartbroken over the fluted armor set being redesigned. For me, it’s the best and most iconic set in the entirety of Miyazaki’s portfolio. I could not contain my excitement when Bluepoint announced this remake. I couldnt wait to use their photo mode on the fluted set. Then one day, for no reason, they just arbitrarily redesigned it. Not one fan had ever complained that Demon’s Souls was held back by its art design. If anything, Demon’s Souls was held back by a restrictive camera system that often made it tough to get a clear view of its brilliant art design. Thank you for your video, I totally agree.
And then hiding the original helmet behind a boss that you only get one chance to fight per save? It makes absolutely no sense.
Yep. The old design was distinct and had realism to it. Definitely iconic even at a glance. The new fluted armor is a disgrace, looks like some generic knight armor. It also lacks the realism that the original had like the coif protecting your characters neck, which is now gone in the remake leaving your neck exposed in favor of a scarf... The og helm being in the game doesn't even make up for how badly they botched the rest of the armor
@Maria Flores idk if you played the original Demon Souls, but the female version of the Fluted Helmet looked basically the same, all opened in its front... In fact Demon Souls has a lot of this different designs for different genders of your character.
@@blueveil3277 they also ruined garl vinland armor.
@@Metalgearfox2000 oh they really did that armor dirty. It went from a sacred silver D&D God-like magic armor to a plain armor plate with extremely exagerated World of Warcraft proportions.... because.... Paladin I guess...
It’s almost like one game was made by people who got creative because they thought it was a lost cause, and the other was made by people who were smug and complacent because they knew a graphically impressive launch title was going to sell. It’s almost exactly like that.
Reminds me of the pokemon company, who "allows themselves" to not have overtime and have EXTREMELY lenient work ethics while also switching out lower level devs like they were straight up expandable because "in the end, it's gonna sell anyway" And the technical qualities of modern pkmn games shows it very clearly, leaving very little room for creative innovation.
It's literally a tech demo for the PS5, it's what makes me so mad
While that is a fair point, at the end of the day you haters make up like 5% if not less of the demons souls community. Bluepoint games did a fantastic job at remaking demons souls and received mostly praise for their work, so I wouldn’t be surprised if they are rebuilding Bloodborne as we speak
@@poordude2175You get what you ask for, that’s what I’ll say.
Man to call Blue Point smug is the biggest of L of this decade. They are passionate and they are fans. The remake is also 50 billion times better than the original. This was an L video
one of the worst things they changed is the meaning of the ost, maiden astraea's one sounds like its garl's one instead of hers(its epic/heroic) while the original gave you a sense of dread and made you think if what you were doing was the right or wrong thing
I never played the original Demon's Souls, but I have played everything after Dark Souls and I absolutely love the atmosphere of From games. I could not point out why the remake fell off, wrong, the whole time I was playing, I did not have the frame of comparison (or any nostalgia for that matter) but I was aware the whole time it didn't feel like a from game at all. It's good to see concrete examples of why that was. Also, a reminder that this remake was made also in part because of how increasingly hard it is to access the original, since there is no consistent way to play it without an actual PS3, so... Yeah, this runs the risk of erasing and replacing the original Demon's Souls
It's like remastering a WW1 documentary but all characters wear WW2 uniforms, somehow.
Yeah, it reminds me of modern historical movies that change the fucking history it's supposed to correctly portray just to push a narrative. It's not really as bad as that, but both examples involve massive egos and people who think they can do whatever they want. Like, did you know that the kingdom of Dahomey (from "The Woman King") didn't "free slaves from the evil whites"? It was actually the OPPOSITE. At that point the slave trade was made illegal and the Brits told the king to pretty please stop selling his people into slavery. Mf said "aight bet" and still kept selling people, only this time ~illegally~
THIS! THIS IS THE BEST EXPLANATION
What did you expect? It’s a new generation of gaming and it’s getting worse new devs are lazy and want cash plain and simple.
Elden Ring drew me into FromSoft games and I've been going back to play their old games (recently been playing a bunch of Armored Core games, love it). I grabbed a copy of Demon's Souls on PS3 thinking "Well, I'm not gonna buy a PS5 for this, but at least I can play the old version." Little did I know I bought the better version of the game.
The "better version" is subjective. To me, the remake is overall the better version.
Same here. I wanna play the PS3 version of Demon souls after hearing the Maiden of astreae theme and how bad the remake butchered it.
Good for you
You got the far worse version mate
@@jackreeves7 15 dollars for the original version on a console I already own vs 560+ dollars for a console I don't own and a version of the game that heavily alters the art design of the game? Nah I think I made the right choice.
Your argument makes a lot of sense. I would add that the real problem with the remake being artistically inferior to the original is that new players will NEVER experience the old one, most likely. So thanks for letting people know they are missing out.
So I personally never played the original. At first I wasn't sure what to expect from this video and maybe expected a "Rose tinted glasses" deal. But luckily I was wrong and understood to an certain extent how you and other players feel as I went through something similar. Like I said I personally never played the original Demon's Souls but I've experienced something like this with Halo. I'm not going to explain it all as there are tons of videos explaining how the team messed this one up, but we're fortunate enough to have a button we can press to go back to the original graphics and fortunate enough for the core gameplay to remain the same without a Dev changing something because THEY didnt like it. The Fat Officials change really got to me, it's truly disappointing for something to lose all meaning entirely or change thanks to a lack of care from a developer who misunderstands the importance of the original design and story/lore of the source material.
The Fat Offical changes read as a very 'American' for lack of a better term to me. Strip out the horror of class-opperession and disgust for the clean, put-on cheery faces of bureaucracy and replace it with body horror.
great way of putting it
The original game felt dark, stark and almost depressing the world felt picked from a horror novel. The remake was to bright, too full of life. The original really felt like a dying region removed from the rest of the world as if evil had won and the only ones alive are now stuck in this world without hope. It made you feel hopeless like you’re fighting for something already lost with hope being “what could be,” not what is.
The word you were looking for is _OPPRESSIVE._ The first game felt extremely oppressive and heavy.
The remake absolutely still has that depressing eerie vibe especially in the first area
They give you filters to use and one of them gives it a similar vibe to the OG.
Next they'll be saying they need to add loot boxes, and it'll just be a shit show from there.
Actually, I find that they tried to make it too dark. Original is somewhat ominous but in a more regal manner, it's hazy, almost ascetic in a way, and the remake tried to make it more like the later games, darker like DS, violent like Bloodborne, and more stylish like DS3 (and BB).
Is the music playing at 8:56 a demon's souls soundtrack? If so, what is it?
And what about 21:30?
King's field 4 - Dark Reality
@@MrYTPfan123Thank you.
As someone who hasn't beaten a single souls game, at first I was like "wow this is a souls fan being a souls fan" but once you got to the fat nobles I was like wtf that's an awful design change and now I want to play the original on my ps3 Great video you clearly love this series deeply and it's honestly inspiring
The section about the fat officials is where you got me. Changing them from fat and creepy to fat and disgusting made you just feel sorry for them, not hate them. I only ever saw the remake version and I thought this was going to be a "back in my day" kinda thing but I actually feel you. Imagine Mergo's Wet Nurse had a weird great one face instead of the void. Would just take a lot away from her design. I will however still play the remake and I will most likely still enjoy it (or hate it for other reasons at least)
I like the original versions way more. They look like something you just want to punch in the face.
@@infinitedeath1384 Just a punch, even after the implications they did to Yuria?
@@aliekexie8467 Ok maybe a couple more.
Their metal grin and laugh are stamped in my memory forever. Why in the world would they make it into a generic face like that? Do they even laugh like before ?
I actually hate them all the same, OG and Remake, and I played the remake first.
I love your takes. I think it lost the atmosphere it was too focused on being “next gen” it lost all the aspects that made the game dingy / dark and mysterious. I hated the look of it. I still can’t get over how badly they ruined the fat officials I just feel blue point doesn’t get it.. just don’t get the atmosphere at all. Edit : you even touched on the fat officials bro you are my spirit animal
I agree, except for the Tower of Latria, that are they took it to the next level
You're just nostalgic, you narrow-minded fool.
@@didixtar2863 nah no agonizing screams it felt like they still tried to hard to make it “next gen” and missed the boat on the dark extremely smelly dirty atmosphere that runs through the game. It’s like everything is filthy and grimy/ dingy dark etc it has this atmosphere that even from soft have lost touch with.
They ruined the atmosphere of Shadow of the Colossus as well.
@@acherontiaatropos6048 because all they care about is being the latest and greatest with graphics and don’t consider or care about anything else but that, and it really shows in their remakes.
This is why learning your favorite game will be remade by Bluepoint should send a shiver of dread down your spine. Shadow of the Colossus is my favorite game of all time. I played the ps4 bluepoint remake and it was ruined. I've known for some time Bluepoint on a conceptual level is a problem. This studio's leadership might not have the concept everything existing in a game was a choice based on engine, time, restrictions, hardware etc. If anything is going to be changed, this includes graphical fidelity, genuine care must be given to the original intent. This is why I'm not excited for a bluepoint bloodborne remake--the studio just misses the point on everything. Not sure if Sony or bluepoint but it needs to stop in regards to any remake.
Great video but do you think Vallarfax is the guy from the intro?
The Demon's Souls remake being *the* main PS5 launch title probably played a huge factor. From a development standpoint, they probably wanted this game to be a visual spectacle. That's an understandable goal in theory, but they chose one of the most visually subtle and restrained games on the market to use as a base. Many games like Demon's Souls or SMT: Nocturne are great because their intentional lack of decadence is part of the atmosphere. It's actually kinda nuts that Bluepoint keeps doing remakes for games with very uncommon and avant-garde art styles (DS and Shadow of the Colossus). Bluepoint are obviously experts at optimizing games for the hardware and more gaudy visual styles, and other games like Bloodborne would have been a better fit for their skillset (not saying they should have had a Bloodborne remaster as a PS5 launch title, just that it's more compatible with Bluepoint).
Not to mention the Shadow of the Colossus remake actually came out perfectly fine from what I remember. They did a good job on that. I'm almost tempted to say _someone_ just couldn't beat Demons' Souls and decided to fuck it up.
@@pleaserespond3984I had issues with colossus, lol. The color palette and lack of fog fucked it up for me. Whether the fog was to cover up design limitations or not, it doesn't matter, it is part of the game's identity and I would say the fact that you don't know the real repercussions of your actions throughout the game. IE the fog represents how unaware you are of the consequences that obscured and hidden from your view pretty much until the end.
inb4 they drop the ball for a bloodborne remake.
@@La0bouchere They put Gehrman in a dress and take his hat off and make him look fat and gross because it's clearly superior to his current look.
@@La0bouchere They'd give the Doll look like a creepy Tim Burton-esque design because obviously she's creepy, and they have to make it more obvious. After all, completely disregarding subtlety is Bluepoint's forte.
Here I thought this video was going to be filled with hipster takes. But you know, I actually find myself agreeing with you on the art direction influencing the story of the areas. Well done.
It's alot of snobby, hipster takes.
@jamesloucks2562 wouldn't say that, I wouldn't call myself a law person a lot of the changes I don't personally hate because of that but I think for those that do enjoy the environmental story telling, it definitely butchers that to a large extent. Its similar to those that want to change a story put their own stamp on it, like the witcher TV series which is slowly being butchered to the ground. Though the game is still fun.
@@jamesloucks2562 He can have hipster takes at times tbh
@@jamesloucks2562which parts?
@@RevPerdueJosh nothing, he's just mad
is there a way to play the original demon souls on pc?
PS3 emulation with a private server for online play was how I did it
I watched this video before I ever played Demon's Souls (although I'd already bought a PS3 and the OG to do so). I finished it yesterday. Even before playing the game I found your arguments compelling, having played it I agree with everything said but I actually have some more criticisms of the remake. The brightness in many areas is far too high, most notably Latria but other areas use darkness to great effect and this impacts not just the look and feel but also the gameplay. You can't quite see certain things unless they're either very close or if you look directly at them. The greatsword wielding red eye knight in 1.4 is a great example of this, as are the gargoyles in 3.2. Speaking of 3.2 the sound design of the "heart" beating is changed drastically, in the original it's very loud and oppresive and doesn't beat at all like a human heart. It has a totally different rhythm. The remake makes the sound much quieter and it beats like a human heart and so doesn't sound anywhere near as alien and strange. The music, people have spoken about the music changes before but the ones that stick out to me as being changed for the worse are Maiden Astaea, this one the remake does at least retain the sounds of the original track but just adds stuff on top that makes it less clear and distinct and makes it a more "grand" piece, it changes the tone entirely even if it has elements of the original. Old King Allant, entirely different tone this time with none of the original. Storm King's music in the original almost sounds like a funeral procession, he's a grand beast that has fallen to the ravages of time and is well past his peak. This is present in the music and the visual design of the fight, the remake makes it nothing but a spectacle on both a visual and audio front. In isolation it's cool and I can understand why people like it but it's completely different to the original in tone. Old Hero in the original has a tragic feel with a drum backing that's very distinct and interesting. The remake version is yet more generic "epic" music that missed the point. They also changed Old Hero's cutscene, in the original he pulses with dim light, the camera shifts to focus on his weapon and he grabs it very quickly and jumps down. In the remake he goes to immeditely glowing (looking much more "physical" underneath rather than like a spirit, like in the original) and screams into the camera and you see him in full view grabbing his weapon. He doesn't scream untill during the fight in the original which has much more impact that in thr remake. They also changed Flamelurker's cutscene showing him in full view when bursting through rather than showing it from the side, it's a minor change but it is worse. Also Flamelurker's arena is far too bright, in the original he is the main source of light in the arena which is much more apparent once you've beaten him but in the remake the whole place is lit up with bright orange light from more lava being presence which again ruins the tone. I still haven't seen much of the remake but everything I have seen so far is worse besides pure graphical fidelity. I'm going to take a further look to see what else is changed, possibly at the cost of my sanity.
I think this only reflects the game industry in general. When I was learning game design 10 years ago... I was trying to get a job in level design, my task was to build 2 maps, a florest and a canyon, so i made a little plot to each of them and a canyon became an connected with a poison swamp where there was an infection and almost everything was dead and the florest was an really beautiful organized florest because of the people that lived there, so they dint like it, they said that a florest needed to be almost random like nature and a canyon just need to have rocks and cliffs... Those are the things I'm seeing in Demons souls Remake, a bunch of people that learned something from someone but never think about it themselves. Of course that new statue would make more sense in some real aesthetics, but never in the demons souls culture and lore...
A canyon's poison swamp, are you a from software dev ? ;)
Hi Fellow Gamedev here, I think I start to understand the problem. I start to learn Business and Game dev bussines model try to remove the drive from the Bussines analasis like Bussines Managment Canvas That is: "What problem we solve? " Bechause games and art dont solve a problem but satisfy a need. I belive this is a huge mistake misleading prety much everyone. Art been over mistified when in reality is a very mathematical calculative building proces, like you described the canyon. As artis I think our job is to toy lead and manipulate human emotions with all the tools discovered by psyhology, than support it with sience related to the subject to give predictability and reason to the world. What need to be understood Arts problems not driven by the drive to happines, but offten trying to schock people out of they innosence, immerse them deep in a feeling they didnt know they can have.
Bro those designs are awesome I see nature as fungus as random but flowers as pointed and not random they seem random but aren’t you hit the mark on the florist and the canyon is just awesome they said canyon which can mean anything like a death baller or poison swamp in it
That's generally a big problem that lots of great stories get bastardized being filtered through a mainstream lense. And it was to be expected that Bluepoint would do this to some degree because they wanted the game to appeal to the mainstream to make more money. It also happened to Lovecrafts stories, where the mainstream believes it's about tentacles and monsters while it's true quality is something more profound and nameless that isn't captured by superficial monster design. Or take movie adaptations like Harry Potter: In the novels, Voldemort was eerily cold and stern and that's what made him scary. But in the movies (except 1 and 2) they made him more flamboyant and Joker-like, which is a major mischaracterization in my opinion. The mainstream/ big companies tend to simplify and distort the uniqueness of stories to fit them in a cliche, already-known category, because they want to play it safe and not take the risk that the audience possibly wouldn't like something more special.
bruh this is happening to Dead space remake elsewell.... for example nicoles office or the area that is bright was specifically made like that to have actual people working there and when it gets dark aka lockdown then you're terrified but in the remake, it has fog and is always dark and just looks like a haunted house more than anything even when the original had dark parts they still had a specific style whereas the remake just looks fogged up and doesn't have a art style to it
Hates mainstream, talks about harry potter 😂😂😂😂😂😂
When I noticed it was being remade by a western company, I noticed it probably fucked the original. Japan and the west have very different approaches to game design, as proved by western developers being outraged by Elden Rings success (some even claiming Elden Rings horrible game design was obviously done by Japanese developers etc). Not saying all westerns developers or games are like this, for example; Skyrim, The Witcher series, Ghost of Tsushima, and Red Redemption are great games. It's just a bit chunky the west think that they are better than the east or the changes they make will make the game better (proven by bluepoint with Demon Souls). Let's just hope fromsoftware's other games don't get the same shit, though some rumors worry me that Bloodbourne is next.
@@yoyothefool5607 since when was the witcher Western dummy
I'm so glad to see someone else say this. I liked the Demon's Souls remake, but this is exactly how I feel about other IPs (my current hot take being God of War), the series changed so much of its identity to appeal to a bigger audience, and the end result is bland. But masses of people love and praise it. Really feels like originality and innovation is at an all time low. Everything fits a neat mold.
14:00 redesigned fat officials don't even make practical sense. Isn't the whole point that they are "elite" and second to only Alant in status? That's not just from visual clues, that's item description lore that was kept in the remake. That's not how a "rich fat person" looks. Pretty sure if they can afford more than most people they can afford well-tailored clothes💀Imagine seeing *this* in real life and thinking "wow, this guy must be rich"...
I just started playing the original last night and plan to play through both, but I really wanted to start with the OG before going into the remake. You make very good points in your video, everything has a purpose in souls games to tell the story with out actually telling you the story and that is what I love about these games! The subtle ways the games tell there own stories without spelling it out for you and making you feel it is bar none! You are literally surrounded by and walking through the story, take it in! I usually start out by disagreeing with you and then realize that you are completely correct and I completely agree whole heartedly lol.
Yea you're right. As someone who never got to play either game, I would be upset if BluePoint did a Bloodborne remake and took massive liberties with the architecture or enemy design and the story that it tells.
I really hope BluePoint don't get to remake Bloodborne.
@@SixWings Bro bc of the notification I actually read Ratatoskr pinned on this video and it looks like I copied his pinned comment 😂. This man knows his audience 💀💀💀
That's very different, there is enough details in Bloodborne to make a remake without changing some elements. Demon souls original lacks details, so bluepoint was forced to add new elements.
@@SixWingsSo who remake bloodborne ?
@@ni9274 Bloodborne doesn't need a Remake. Bloodborne needs a remaster! Or just a 60fps patch and a PC port. Why do you think Bloodborne needs a Remake?
Thanks for making this video. I’ve always had a slight distaste with the “remake” of demon’s souls, and it’s nice to see someone point out what I’ve had issues with. If it was just one or two changes I wouldn’t have cared as much, but it was so many tiny things that didn’t sit right with me. All the fat/gross enemy changes, the attempt at making the ost epic when it was just fine, type A and type B body types ( when they could’ve just removed gendered armor requirements as a whole), and the stuff you’ve already stated in your vid. Another issue with adjudicator’s redesign you didn’t mention. His gold skin helps players realize he’s impervious to attacks. When players see his skin is gold and see they do no damage, they may think he’s wearing armor, or that he’s like the nemean lion, and that his gold skin is impervious. When they changed his skin to look normal, there’s no reason why your sword does no damage. At least before, the gold could’ve been an excuse, but now his skin is normal and there is none. It’s just little stuff like that that pissed me off with the remake. There were other, non-design related issues I had with the game that had no reason to exist. In the original demon’s souls, when you or an enemy blew up an explosive barrel, it’s hit box lingered a few seconds after it had exploded. A remake has no right to leave such a simple fucking issue untouched, especially when they fixed bigger glitches like stock pile Thomas dupe. There’s also the glaring issue of NOT BEING ABLE TO DELETE ANY SAVE YOU MAKE. No previous fromsoft title has had this issue, not even the original demons souls. The worst part is, unlike other titles by fromsoft, fucking up matters in demon’s souls. If you wanted a pure white world tendency weapon and died in human form earlier on, you couldn’t delete the save and make a new one. So now if you make a character and fuck up, or don’t want to play them anymore, they’re stuck on your game until you wipe all of your save data on demon’s souls, which is terrible. I shouldn’t have to wipe my all of save data to remove one character I don’t like anymore. Stuff like that pissed me off and made me just go play the original on ps3.
Dude the not being able to delete individual save files thing is why I'll probably never do a second playthrough of the remake
You need to chill dude lol.
@@Blue-Apple-fc9eo probably, heh.
That was a good read, myself I'm so tired of these many remakes that add little to nothing more to the originals just to make them worse, in fact it keeps spreading this message that "Old = Obsolete". That "No Save Delete thing" really is unexcusable, like what were they thinking.
The old statue gives me major Nameless King vibes from DS3, the Dark Souls most akin Demon's Souls, and them changing that is heartbreaking
Bro, they white-washed The Adjudicator! 😭
Great video and agree. However, I think this video needs a part 2. There’s a lot more examples you could talk about, mainly the score. I’d love to see like another hour long analysis of the environments and themes. Don’t be afraid to do longer videos
I second this
Yes, changing the music is the most mindboggling decision Bluepoint made IMO. That's the thing that really me feel like they completely missed the point.
+1
Yes
The Maiden Astraea music change is an artistic crime.
I never got to play the original. I never knew how different the remake was. Now, I feel like I’ve missed out significantly. Thank you for pointing this all out. It’s re-inspired me to seek out a copy of the original game, or at least find a way to emulate it.
RPCS3 can run the game at 60fps, however the only problem I had with the original was that I was trying to play it like Dark Souls 3, which instead doesn't work well due to lack of omnidirectional rolling on lock on and weird rolling bug were if you do attempt to roll at an angle you can possibly roll the opposite way.
@@dhgmrz17 yeah you need to play it more like ds1, roll foward and backstab everything
Your not missing out I played and beat the original, it's the same lol..the demon souls remake is actually better the graphics compliment it.
Its fairly simple to emulate on the ps3 emulator. thats how i played it.
You can perfectly emulate it at 60fps, better than the original. You can also play online with other players on a private server. The official servers were shut down.
Let me count my experience. I've only played the Original Demon Souls, and I loved it. One of the things I loved the most was the intro cinematic where we have a sound and fights that transmit you fear; further the part were we can see how the boss skeleton watches us in a sepia color with his eyes making that you could feel his thirst of blood. When I heard about the remake I was so enthusiastic, I was watching a streaming and expected to enjoy an evolved intro cinematic. However, I've got disappointed very quickly from the first second, because they changed the sound of the cinematic with one that didn't transmit fear. Another thing they replaced was the original fight movements with another that seemed to have come from a template cinematic; the worst of the fight is that they REMOVED the part that the boss skeleton watched us. I agree with you that the developers of the remake disrespected the original work from the first developers. They (the developers of the remake) really thought that they could do better than the original developers, that's way of thinking was very arrogant.
I just think they wanted to do their own thing 🤷
If they wanted to do their own thing then it wouldn't have been called a Demon's Souls "remake." When you go to recreate something you don't just change it just because.@Greaseball01
@@Satchmeatno that the whole point of a remake to fix things and change things while a remaster is just upping the graphics or atleast that’s what I believe 😅
What song is playing during the real problem section?
The remake is visually amazing but my god, it completely murders the feel of the original. The atmosphere and visuals of the original are so unique and captivating
This pretty much summarizes bluepoint
Oh so that's why it never felt like a souls game 😅
The atmosphere is just as good. Plus you can always use the classic filter if you want the og lighting so what?
@@hatchell18 The atmosphere is way worse. Plus the "classic filter" is garbage. It looks alright in the Nexus but everywhere else it looks horrible!
@@comeandgetyour187invitatio6 the atmosphere is amazing no idea what you’re talking about
100%. It's like if a conservator who was tasked with restoring a painting just decided they'd like to paint a new painting over it. Being careful to follow the outline of its "core", of course.
What "remake" mean ?
Ecce homo moment
Please let me know if Bluepoint fucked up Shadow of the Colossus this bad, I still need to finish that one.
I heard they did.
Shadow of the Colossus remake is amazing
SOTC remake is a dumpster fire garbage, they even managed to make facial animations that look worse than the original ones. Just emulate the OG and it will run and look better than this abomination
What’s the song’s name that starts at 21:16?
King's Field 4 - Dark Reality
@@Ev74977 Thanks
I wish you talked about the music changes. It tore at me when I heard it was 100% original. I wish they just used real instrumentation on the old tracks, the midi sound sucked so bad, but the songs were there despite that. Also not everything needs to be so bombastic and explosive, it really ruins some of the boss atmosphere because they wanted an "Epic Sound" instead. Edit: I have learned since that the original isn't MIDI. Just mixed badly
some of the new music feels completely out of place too, like the original dirty colossus theme was kinda slow and goofy sounding and it was a perfect representation of that boss, he's essentially a collection of trash and feces that gained sentience in the remake they gave him a big epic orchestral theme for some reason, like he's not a ancient warrior or anything he's literally a pile of shit so why give his fight such unnecessarily bombastic music?
the remakes ost is yet another case of bluepoint missing the point of something completely
The original soundtrack has a very minimalistic "sound" to it, which can convey tension in ways big orchestras don't quite pull off. Sometimes arrangement alone can make a massive difference in how music sounds.
I always thought I was losing my mind whenever I told someone I didn't like the artistic changes around the time the Remake came out. Glad to know I'm not alone
You are not alone my friend...
@@ozanozkirmizi47 Kardeşim orijinali daha iyidi değil mi ya.
Nothing like some good old confirmation bias
@@Tayfungurses777 no it really wasn't
@@johndodo2062 but it was
My least favorite part of the remake is that Latria seems to no longer be in a cave. In the original, it seemed to be all in this insanely large cave, with massive supporting beams high in the sky box. But in the remake, while the lightning is cool, level 4 exists (and I thought that was done excellently), now it just looks like bloodborne. I'm terrified of a dark souls remake, because while I just really want cloth physics and other quality of life like 360 rolling while targeting, I fear for what would be changed.
My biggest question about Latria is that "Why does a prison have such expensive looking masonry and metalwork?"
Being able to apply different filters during gameplay is pretty neat
Bruh after seeing the original compared to the remake , i really see where people come from when they say this, i agree with your take