Why Are Used Porsche Cayennes So Cheap? Owner's Review of 15 Year Old Cayenne Turbo (955, 957)
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List of all the issues:
-Parking brake dampener
-Coolant leak due to thermostat
-Replaced water pump
-Driver side DRL condensation
-High pressure fuel pump replaced - difficulty starting car
-Replaced door cable
-Drive shaft & support bearing replaced
-Left horn replaced
-Coolant leak again. Thermostat and water pump gasket were replaced
-Ignition coils
-Vacuum Pump replaced
-Thermostat Housing, Thermostat, and coolant replaced
-Passenger side mirror stopped returning to the correct position
-Driveshaft support replaced (with aftermarket design)
-Front control arms, strut top mounts, sway bar bushings, and droplinks
-Engine and transmission mounts replacement
-Coolant tank replacement and coolant pipe fitting pinning up
-Rear wheel bearings
-Water intrusion from drain ports
-Crankshaft position sensor
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Who was your after market warranty company?
Shit heaps from the factory Gary c
Why are both of your very cheap Porsche's the most boring colour on the planet? I'm sure that shade of grey isn't a real colour.
Nice job documenting what to expect to care for the incredible driving experience this vehicle provides! Maybe one day I'll be able to afford the maintenance. What's your opinion of the 2011 Cayenne S v8 models?
sums it up wholly
People think buying some new car on a lease makes them look well off but the real flex is buying an older depreciated car then maintaining it to like new condition 😂
Lol. Great perspective! Maybe I need a vanity plate that reads, "OLDRICH".
Couldn't agree more!
@@CarFanatic I love your videos been following you from the start of your channel. Thank you soooooooooo much this video must have taken a lot of effort truly appreciate it
People don't buy new cars to flex. I prefer buying my cars brand new because it's more satisfying. When you buy a used car, the car might be yours now but you will always be reminded that your car used to be someone else's car because your car might smell like the previous person (wether that person stink or smells good) your steering wheel might have fingerprints all over it as well as the infotainment system. You might find nails on the floor and perhaps chicken 🍗 crumbs. Overall, your used car is not gonna be perfectly clean even tho it looks clean at first glance. I always like to assume that most Mercedes and other luxury car owners are clean and keep themselves together and keep their cars clean but while I was getting f10 M5 serviced one time, I checked out a used bmw 7 series sitting in the used car lot and I got inside and that car smelled like cigarettes. It was disgusting. Used cars are not for me. My F10 M5 had 145k miles when I sold it. I put all those miles myself. I only buy my cars brand new. When I step into my car, my car only smells like me. I want to be able to lick my seats and taste nothing else but myself. I don't want a high mileage used car. I don't want to sit on someone's back sweat, farts, I don't want to see someone's fingerprints on my steering wheel or infotainment system. I don't want dog hairs, baby vomit stains, coffee stains, McDonald's chicken crumbs, children's toe print on the back of my seats or feet print on my dashboard because the people that used to get in the front seat always decided to put his or her dirty stinky sweaty feet on the dashboard and the previous owner didn't care enough to tell that person to get their feet of the dash. And perhaps the previous passengers who used to get in the car had very poor hygiene overall. I have strict rules when people step into my new benz. They are simple. Clean yourself and keep your feet off the dash and don't eat in my car. Right now I have a 2021 F90 M5 competition and I brought it brand new.
@@vintagetriplex3728 lol ain’t nobody gonna read all that but yes absolutely people stretch to buy new cars on a monthly payment to flex.
This really makes me appreciate my 2008 Toyota 4 Runner. 150,000 miles and only thing I have done is change the oil every 5,000 miles, 2 brake jobs, and 2 sets of tires. And that was with an ungaraged vehicle in New England snow. Had to replace the wiper fluid a few times too, those damn pesky Toyotas. That Porsche must be a fun ride, but something about the reliability of a Toyota I love.
I'm sure you didn't forget about regular maintenance like spark plugs, air filter, etc?
150,000 miles on a 4 runner, youre just breaking it in, that thing is gonna outlive all of us
@@Chris-de2qc Belive it or not, yet to change a plug. I did forget about the air filter every 15,000 miles and maybe 2 cabin filters. I have hardly put anything into it compared to that Porche. I love the look of that Porche, but never realized just how much more reliable a 4 Runner is.
@@skuzz8182 I have some friends that have hit 250K on there 4 Runners. I think another 50K on this one and then time to get some modern technology. But I just can't let this one go, she has treated me so well.
I have 175k on my highlander and am having my first issue. Wheel bearing. Michigan roads have done that on every car I’ve owned though.
Having owned about a dozen different Japanese built cars over the last four decades, I can honestly say I havent had a tenth of the problems you have had. You are a VERY patient man dealing with those problems, I guess you have to be an car enthusiast (and part time mechanic) to own a Porsche.
Yeah car enthusiasts can't own reliable cars lol. But 99% of Japanese cars are naps on wheels.
what is the japanese equivalent of this car? the infiniti fx45 and fx50 with the v8 is probably the closest, and a car i may buy some day as ive always loved those. not nearly as fast as a cayenne turbo s stock but close enough to the non s turbo a few basic mods could make that more equal. the cayenne has a lot more cargo space though i believe. the fx series are not really made to be spacious. not sure what theyre really made for to be honest lol but they look cool and drive pretty well for a car that is fairly cheap to buy and probably cheap enough maintenance compared to a porsche. i had a 92 infiniti q45 for 3 or 4 years around 2001 to 2005ish and it was honestly a really good car, even with the high miles mine had. no issues other than replacing the thermostat once and it was up around 135k miles i want to say. my 1990 maxima se i had before that was also pretty solid. part of why id like one of the v8 powered fx models.
The issue is it isn't really a porsche but mostly a volkswagen with Porsche stickers
Car enthousiasts usually don't buy SUV's.
@@mediocreman2 🙄
I bought an '05 Cayenne Turbo 2yrs ago with 100k on it. Replaced valve cover gaskets at 105k miles. 137k on it now, no issues, 0-60 in 5.4secs. AWD Beast.
How was your experience overall. Still got it?
You are very patient, I would have ditched that car a long time ago…
Given how amazing that car is to drive, it’s really not that bad, especially considering this is over years and tons of miles
@@sunnohh exactly
@@normanrhone142 so called luxsport?These things can drive better than most English sports cars faster than most Japanese sports cars and have conquered the Jeep Rubicon challenge. So either you’re jealous or have never driven one . Plus this was 4 years after the start of the vehicle the newer ones are more reliable
@@sunnohh yeah i think most people dont realize these are performance luxury cars... not economical everyday cars, they have things like turbos and surpercharge versions, these are not know for engine longevity lol they are known to boost performance your also getting the most recent in car technology advancement which is why repairs cost so much not to mention i believe porsche always uses leather and if you dont take care of it then it cracks and looks horrible... this car is ment for the person thats a. buying cash or b. buying on credit not because they have to but because its actually cheaper for them to do it that way... if you cant understand how happens... hate to break it to you this car is probably not for you.
@@sunnohh . You're the sort of customer Porsche is aiming for I'd say.
The crazy part is, some of the recurring things are well-known Cayenne issues (drive shaft, coolant leaks, etc), you'd think they'd have at least improved the replacement parts to the point that when you get it done the first time, it's actually fixed.
Buy new plastic car pls
Kind of like the Boxster IMS Bearing/RMS/AO Separator/Clutch. You just figure in the price of replacing them at the proper time. I plan on finding a low mileage Cayenne and then replacing the coolant pipe and shaft bearing soon after to feel secure. And get a set of Ignition Coils ready to replace the older ones. I'm sure I'll add things to this list, but for what this car does, it's cheap.
No, no, no, you don't understand, Porsche dealers aren't rich.....or more accurately, they wouldn't be without a constant supply of customers buying overpriced substandard parts.....
they sell everything that they make. so, why should they care?
@@boxsterbenz4059 It is a very basic business tenet. I won't try to teach you about business in general. But let it be said that when any company gets a reputation for poor quality, they don't sell all that they make unless they lower their prices. They don't like to do that.
Thanks for putting the vid together and the brutally honest (and accurate) account of the issues you’ve had with Cayenne. As you said, all those “issues” add up.
This is a fantastic video documenting all common issues and fixes. Really appreciate it! Great narrative too!
I cannot thank you enough for talking me outta this purchase. You the man!
This video is the best Lexus commercial I've ever seen.
Me too. I was about to buy a 2011 Volkswagen Touareg or a Landrover and this video sobered me up instantly
@@clarke7230 yeah I wanted a project vehicle I could daily drive if necessary... But I think I'll go for a Japanese SUV that isn't as fun but is easier to work on. Mitsubishi Montero (Pajero) looks like a beast and outside of the timing belt and weak engine, a very good truck.
@@clarke7230 second generation of Touareg is reliable car. Definately more reliable that Cayanne and much cheaper to fix.
@@lukasrojko5455 Here in South Africa those cars like Landrover, Cayenne,Touareg and other powerful SUV's are dirty cheap. A 2013 one will be much cheaper than a most economical car of the same year. At WE BUY CARS those cars from Mercedes, BMW and others are almost given for free
That really Sucks! My 2004 Honda Pilot, $28,000 when purchased new, now with 200,000+ miles (still going strong) has only had 4 minor repairs: 2 Window Motors, Fuel Pump Relay and the Idle Air Control Valve. I repaired all myself for under $200 in parts. It never left me stranded or had to be towed. So much for German engineering!
Yeah. It dives like garbage truck
No disrespect to Hondas, but they’re much more simpler because they’re kinda boring. To get luxury and tech and performance means complications, complications means more expensive and complex materials and parts that’s just how it goes. A bigger engine with thicker oil with triple the amount of power you have is the reason why they break and neglected as well, the Germans don’t follow the routine maintenance the Japanese cars follow. Bigger breaks, beefier trans, diffs, overall chassis is built around performance and people buy them thinking they’re normal cars and abuse them like normal cars.
these fan bois have got stockholme syndrome, you won't be able to convince them that they are getting mugged off
The Germans engineer it to keep their dealers happy. A lot of these issues are things that should be happening at 150,000 miles and higher. If you’re going to buy a used German luxury car, expect to pay German luxury car repair prices.
I see a bunch of G1 Cayennes for sale around $2-2500 with various problems. I do my own work so I would not mind buying one to fix and drive on weekends. The ones I see cheap are the 3.6 and Cayenne S models.
My first car was same year cayenne s with the 4.8L and recently had to get rid of it, but just about every issue you stated I also experienced. Still an amazing car and glad I was able to experience owning it
Wow! To compare, we have a 2006 Toyota Highlander Hybrid with over 300,000 km (188,000 miles) on it. As far as unscheduled maintenance, so far it has only needed: or still needs - around 100,00 km, the front cupholder spring loading mechanism that grabs onto the sides of cups broke so cups aren't held as firmly. I replaced it with an aftermarket mechanism at 290,000 and within 3000 km it broke again. - thermostat at 290,000 km (this is a difficult job and cost $500). - polishing of headlight plastic lenses 300,000 km - drivers door won't stay open when parked on a steep uphill slope. - the left front wheel bearing has a bit of play. So far we've paid less than $1000 in repairs.
Imagine comparing a Toyota Highlander which is a family/around-town soccer mom type SUV to a Twin-Turbo high performance raging V8 that can keep up with sports cars and also go off roading. Totally different engineering goals and the components of the Porsche are under 100x more stress as it is designed to be the highest performance SUV you can get.
Premium cars like that with 100K miles are incredibly cheap in the UK. I remember my mate buying an old Audi S8 for less than £3K once, he got lucky and drove it around for a couple of years with minimal maintenance and sold it on. But all that car needed is one thing to go wrong and it could wipe you out. Even the tyres cost a fortune. It's the sort of car where if you couldn't afford to buy one with low mileage you definitely can't afford to run one with a high mileage.
Germans build cars with an obsession to theory and virtually no consideration of reliability. There is a lot more there, but I don't want to go there.
Not speaking of Porsches, but my mechanic who really knows his stuff says of the modern era BMWs and Mercedes never buy used above 100k miles they are junk. Of course, he likes the Toyotas and Lexus. He owns a GX 470 Lexus and swears by it. Yet recently he just bought himself a new Tesla X. I want to say he paid 140k usd for it.
In Canada I can't even get an appointment for service without waiting six weeks. And those "repair costs" this video is posting??? Triple that in Canada. I can't even drive BY a mechanic shop without it costing 1,000. with no issues found. Ouch.
@@Dwightstjohn-fo8ki sounds like theyre ripping you off
Premium cars and high-performance cars start to generally start to get trouble around 80k miles/120k kilometers, that's why they're cheap. All the parts are expensive, and they're usually complicated to work on which means high labor costs, and sometimes special tools are required to work on them which means you need to go to the dealer which means $$$$$. High parformance cars are especially risky to buy secondhand because people tend drive the hell out of them, as they should.
this reminds me of my experience with an Audi A6 I had for about 5 years. I absolutely LOVED the styling, driving and how things were finished but OMG it would break every time you looked at it. water pumps, complete suspension rebuild, power steering, oil leaks all the time, strange little things would break on the interior. on and on it went so I finally ditched it and purchased a 2011 Cadillac CTS and have had no issues. Ive been able to keep my garage floor clean for years now. Other car is a Honda so no issues there.
The A6, at least from the mid 2000s was the least reliable in their line. I remember wanting one because I saw so many customers with them at my job, in an affluent area. I then realized that they could truly afford those cars, and I most certainly couldn't. If only they spent as much time on reliability as they did on styling, then they might really have something special.
Typical VW group quality.
I have an A3 from 2000 with the 1.8T and an automatic gearbox, no mods. And I totally understand what you mean
@@LordPrometheous My parents had an A6 from this era. Only lasted ten years before a needed repair cost more than the car was worth. Meanwhile my old 2003 Acura is still running great after a couple of different owners.
Had an Audi A4 Quattro Avant. Never ever again will I own an Audi.
Beautiful car & thanks for sharing. Your car really aged well & ppl ppl are starting to really wake up to these beautiful machines. I have an 04 955 non turbo with 224k on the clock & I'm still in love with it. Of course it's had some issues i had to deal with, but I'm still hanging on to it
Congratulations on your mileage! My 2008 Turbo has 221,000.
keep taking care of it you have easily 100k more if taken care.
@@ToyotaAristo thank you. I will do my best
Rich people buy German cars. Even richer people buy second hand German cars.
false. Rich people lease German cars.
It reminds me of my '07 BMW 335i SP. Everything started to go wrong as soon as the warranty expired. I spent thousands trying to keep it going without any issues. After almost 15 years, I sold it to someone who understood "its needs." I loved that car! I miss my money pit. I felt connected to the road. It almost felt symbiotic.
Yep, you screwed up. I have a 335is. Amazing driving experience. And I work on it myself, which is also satisfying.
@@qx4n9e1xp That's great, man. I never did much research on the IS until you mentioned it. Sadly, I'm not too mechanically inclined. I wish I was!
07 BMW and you sold it 24 years later. So you sold it in 2031? 😂
@@carpediem4512 What can I say? I was never good at math. Fixed.
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Wow, i remember that i watched your video about Cayennes 4 years ago, I was trying to find a good Cayennes ,then 4 years later KZhead recommend your video to me, once again, very nice video🥰🥰 🥰
Thanks for the video! Glad you can fix a lot of the problems.
Thank you for sharing all that with us. Really good to know.
Finally a review from a person who drive and own the car for years….
Thank you for this video. I was at one time considering this car because it was Porsche first SUV and I remembered an episode of Top Gear where Jeremy taught a lot of women on how to drive it properly. Apparently this model was popular with soccer moms in UK! But after giving it much thought and knowing that old Porsche required lots of maintenance went and bought 2001 E200 kompressor and I am happy with it.
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Boy seeing videos like these really make me appreciate my little Merc 😊
I was a Porsche mechanic in the dealership during 2004 - 06. They fail always and its too common thing in them. Starting from the head light washers , wiper mechanisms , head light mounts , door alignment . window lifters , carden shafts , sun roof , sun glass holders , glow box dampers , Navigation , ignition switch , AC , seat frames , rear cigarette lighter cover , sub woofer , parking assistance , rear wiper , trunk dampers lol .... 😅 and when it comes to the engines and mechanics .... brake disk , steering vibrations , ignition coils , fuel pumps , engine mounts , coolant leaks , ATF leaks from the torque convertor , air suspension etc etc ... 😅
well your talking directly to me here haha issues on your list we've had have been AC, trunk dampers, fuel pumps, engine mounts and coolant leaks. All fixed but definitely a plethora of other issues. Its been a love hate relationship but how expensive used vehicles have become we are literally still saving money fixing it ourselves
Is there any missing issue 😅😂
You've described pretty much every modern car.
Great video and to the point. As an owner of 993, I'd say this is typical ownership. Yes I drive a Toyota for day to day, but the driving experience can't be matched. Nice clean suv!
Appreciate the honest breakdown of total cost of ownership! Even as a non-enthusiast, I found it very interesting.
Thanks for the transparency, that was an interesting exhaust mod. 👍🏻
Thank you for this video. Went online the other day, and I noticed this as well
Great video. I got 2009 gts it’s an awesome car to drive. I definitely have seem some similar issues. Thanks to you’re videos it definitely helped.
No problem. Please subscribe to the channel if you haven't already and check out my older videos. They'll save you some headaches.
My dad had a slightly older version(non-turbo), nice to drive but oh man did it break down over time. Honestly if you buy one of these and the previous owner has deferred maintenance you are in for a headache. You could easily pick one of these up and find out it needs $10,000 worth of maintenance.
Well to be honest their a reason they depreciate like a stone.
10K is the standard Porsche tax.
Why people abuse cars like they do I don't know? I never have had any repairs to do on any of my cars.
@@parkerbohnn yeah, they are always for the next guy to do.
Because instead of paying 14k for a well maintained Cayenne that can reach 300k people pay 10k for a neglected one. You think Lexus, Cadillac, etc are differente? Lexus melting interior, paint peeling and rust frame are easily 15k to repair if the chassis is not compromised...
I was working at a charterbase in Belize in 2004 and met a German engineer employed by VW to test the new Cayennes in Mexico He told me nice car, but never leave the city limits or venture farther than 50km from your nearest authorized dealer unless you want to be stranded. He told me it was the most unreliable vehicle he had tested in years
Thank you so much for the review! 😵💫
Sounds about right....my sister ditched her 2012 Cayenne after two engine swaps, fights with Porsche over what they would cover UNDER warranty even though it was clearly covered. Additionally a 900 mile tow for the driveshaft issue you had at 18,000 miles and another of exactly the same thing at 31K miles but that tow was only 45 miles. When she traded it on a 2019 Toyota Highlander the Cayenne had 49K miles but a well documented and sketchy service record (all scheduled service was done , I'm talking about the problems) and the dealer offered $19K for the trade, I ended up selling it for her for $30,500 to someone who I explained everything to, he didn't care. The engine was pretty new at that point but I wouldn't trust that hunk of junk to go very far from home
2 engine swaps??!! Omfg
wow, that's horrible. maybe porsche should start using toyota engines. theirs seems to be very unreliable, lol.
Which engine? V6/8?
I had two Porsche Cayennes and I never had any issues! so, you can't generalize that all Porsche's are bad! I also had a 911 and a Boxster and never had any major issues. I will take care of my cars well!
@@tdkboxsterI have to agree with you . Plus some of these cars they speak of were bought second hand and you have to wonder how they were cared for and treated before they were owned by the current owner . You can look at you tube and find many videos of how reliable Porsches have been for people . I guess if your looking for videos like this then you will find them . I think some people that buy these cars really neglect the maintenance because it’s expensive and then the price is paid in the end . Toyota and Honda maintenance is fairly inexpensive so more people are likely to get it done on time and they are not pushing their cars to their limits like enthusiasts who buy higher end sport models .
Spot on!! I ran my Cayenne Turbo up to 249k miles before passing her on. Loved every bit of that car!
What about all the issues this guy is talking about ? I´m looking to buy one but i don´t want to be dealing with all that kind of stuff.
@@hb-ol9oc The issues are true, as are issues with all used cars (and new cars get complaints). Porsches and early Cayennes are packed full of features, and yes more to go wrong, but so much more to enjoy. The trick is to use good judgement on which problems to address where and when. ...and never ever use the dealer out of warranty.
So, just buy a Toyota?
Ditto!!
We own a 2017 RAV4 hybrid. We had to replace the lift gate strut. I think that is it.
Only person I've ever seen get good use of their aftermarket warranty. Good show!
That’s ridiculous… it’s honestly horrible. But thanks for the video, cause I did ask myself, why those cars depreciate that badly! Now I know.
Par for the course for german high-end cars really. (Or really any high end car, to be fair)
They depreciate that badly because the big leasing company in that states which sets the values for used cars doesn‘t have categories for most of their features. Only A/C yes or no, power steering yes or no, AWD yes or no, manual or automatic. Up until the 90s or early 2000s, VW and Audi would build the best 4-zone climate controls, most advanced lights and driving assists, fanciest radio and interior displays, finest interior materials, smoothest transmissions and air suspensions, strongest brakes and safest tires into their US exports. Then a bunch of Audi engineers who visited the place started wondering why their 50k car was now worth 20k, same as the car next to it which had a third of the features and just the basic stuff among those. So they started downgrading for their american exports to remain competitive (BMW for example had realized this much earlier). Worse performing brakes that lasted longer instead, all-season wheels that perform bad in summer and even more bad in winter, base versions of manual and auto transmissions, basic A/C, base version of the lights, so on and so forth. Almost all of the features you could individually select in Europe were removed for the US and the few remaining were bundled up into 1 or 2 upgrade packs per car. The only thing that remained universal across all markets was all the mechanical safety stuff, rigid doors and fuel tank as required in the US, strong ability to absorb kinetetic energy and good pedestrian protection as required in Europe or Asia, all that stuff. This is also why german cars are so expensive, they‘re 20% engineered to drive well and 80% to keep you alive if something goes wrong. In the end they pretty much gave up on the US market since everyone there leases cars and the company that does the leasing undervalues them anyways, so they just slapped a bunch of onboard-diagnostics in as required in the states, hoping it would compensate for the lack of regular checks and maintenance. For comparison in Europe, german cars are the most value-stable, sitting around 53-60% after 4 years opposed to the average 50 ish %, since all the tech they include counts.
That’s why i ride a 🚴🏼
Really appreciate this, I am thinking of buying the same year Porsche and wondered about their reliability pros and cons etc.
You da man for actually maintaining it. 1000x kudos. My son talked me out of one. Although I ended up with a Jeep and fell straight into the aftermarket. Ya live ya learn.
i am actually impressed that nothing happened to the engine(coolant leak aside) and transmission
rode in one recently and the "riding experience" was nothing like I've ever experienced. I can see why you put up with all the headaches. with a simple crunch of those numbers, as far as warranty goes, that definitely worked in your favor.
describe the riding experience
@@papagen00 It’s a 500 hp SUV. Ever ridden in a Porsche? I’ve been in some. When someone else was driving, it was always maniacal. It’s like they said “you signed up for this” and went bonkers. In the “911” (996) and 4S, going around bends easily twice the speed you take them in other vehicles. Accelerating onto the highway at over 100 mph and getting ready to open it further (I told him to slow down, please). And it was my “old” neighbor driving his turbo. It has a flat torque “curve” of 400 ft-lbs torque in a modest weight car. Went to look at a used 4 S. The salesman asks how much experience I had driving them. I said just a little. He said “okay, I’ll drive then”. He knew the roads but, jesus, say your prayers, it was uncomfortably fast. I’ve been racing around since my early teens. I thought nothing would faze me. In Porsche, it’s at another level. Hear me now, believe me later. I test drove a 90’s 911, in straight-line accelerations and such. Since I was driving a simple N.A. Porsche and not beating on it, it was modest. So basically, if you get in one with high horsepower, the rest of the car is built to go with it - coupe or SUV. Toyota and Honda make great vehicles, but only the NSX and tt Supra are in Porsche-territory. It’s cutting edge racing performance, without the same level of reliability design and testing. Without that, I think you sacrifice a smidgen of safety, so don’t drive the GT3 or 4 without some training. That said, Toyota looks to BMW these days for their Supra, so Toyota worshippers and BMW bashers take note. Just sayin’, and I’m not a fan of low-reliability.
Is it worth the initial price of the vehicle and all of the out of pocket expenses and inconveniences?
@@darkrulier That’s your job to determine.
@@tennnis498 Drove a GT3 once. That thing is scary fast. Nothing I've driven before or after compares. It's a completely different driving experience. I totally understand why people spend lots of money on them. I would, for sure, if I were in a position where I could justify it.
This reminds me of our last BMW. We told the dealer we would never buy another one and we didn’t. We now have two Hondas and a Toyota and we are happy people.
I have friends that love their Mercedes and Volos and they spent weeks in the shop vs my Highlander
You've done so well to keep that car is such good nick. You've done well to keep the cost down, but imagine how much hassle you've had and imagine how much hassle it would be for a person who knows nowt about cars! I have a Mercedes E55 Estate / Kombi / T-Model / wagon from 1998 had it ten years. Had plenty go wrong but nowhere near your level and my car has 250,000 miles on it
Congratulations on all the views and the popularity of your video. I was curious what you’re used to keep your alcantara looking new as it gets flat/oily over time.
I use sonax alcantara cleaner amzn.to/3PkfeQe
Reminds me of my Porsche 996 turbo, which I bought new in 2001. I ran it for 10 years /35k miles and spent £26k in servicing /parts with the supplying dealer. That didn't include a full engine strip down and rebuild after a crack was found in the engine block after 2 years in my ownership which was done under manf warranty.
Idk man, that seems like a lot of problems. It's not that bad considering the total value of the car, but it really gets annoying having a few parts break every thousands of miles.
My thoughts exactly. I love Porsche, but I love my peace of mind when driving even more. I think I'd b waiting 4 something else 2 go wrong every time I drive.
The other reason this car is cheap is because it’s ugly as sin compared to modern cars… and for a Porsche that really depreciates its value
At the price and for the reputation of German engineering it should be bulletproof.
@@mistermilkman Yeah allways wanted to buy a Cayenne, now I´m not so sure, I think mostly not.
@@Indy_at_the_beach There will never be a bulletproof car again, those times are long gone. And the reasons for that are in equal parts stupid customers that want 15.000 different electronic gizmos on their car that tend to break easily and greedy manufacturers who live in great fear of missing out on your money if the car is too reliable. Back in times when cars were only expected to get you from point A to point B and keep you warm and dry while doing it everything was easy. Nowadays a car needs internet connection, 25 cameras, radar, laser, a million sensors, 2.500hp, massage function, electric everything, self driving ability, a gazillion of little helpers like lane change assisstant and so on... you can't have millions of computers and helpers and expect everything to work properly up into infinity. If you want reliability first then buy the simplest 70s or 80s diesel without any extras (and have it restored) - no power windows, no heated seats, no apple car play, no 28 speaker sound system, ... the car will most likely outlive you and your grandchildren.
German engineering? My 06 Lexus Gx 470 has had the front wheel bearings and the front driver’s seat reupholstered. That’s it. 206k miles. It’s a true off road read suv. Imagine what would happen if you took that fragile little girl to the woods
It's in really good condition - I'm impressed!
I have a 2002 911 Carrera Coup. Other then normal maintenance items I’ve had the ignition switch, oil pump and alternator fail. The alternator failure was caused by a garage attendant jumping the car incorrectly after not turning the lights off. So for a car being 21 years old not so bad. I currently have 104,000 miles on it. I stopped going to the dealer for maintenance and found a great local Porsche place to perform maintenance items. I’ve carefully followed all maintenance suggestions and strive to keep the car at spec during its life. Overall very pleased with the 911. Mods have included a KN air intake system.
I think 911 and Caymans are more reliable than Cayennes, not sure why that is
Wow!!!! You really appreciate your time and your effort in making this video. Everything around you is so neat and organized. That's a statement. 3 minutes into the video and at least 10 different expenses. Wow!! I own an Audi and a Subaru. And I can say this with authority about German vehicles if you are not able to do the repairs yourself OR that the vehicle is under some type lease where the factory or service warranty covers them. THEN YOU ARE GOING TO PAY, PAY and PAY!!!
This is even more important as German car companies start adopting the features-as-a-subscription model. And perhaps parts serialisation as well.... like what Apple does with their iPhones. Imagine your 2025 Cayenne refuses to start after you've changed a flat tire yourself or got a 3rd-party mechanic to replace a side mirror. Because it wasn't done by an 'authorised Porsche service rep', the vehicle locks for "your own safety".
Holy cow, what a list, and you must be a patient man! All of my friends and family who have had German cars of various brands have scared me off of them when I hear about the hassle and cost they have to go through to keep them working. I don't see how they put up with it, and I used to track one of my cars, so I definitely don't view cars as appliances. I would let a car with all the problems of this Porsche become somebody else's problem immediately after the second repair you listed.
Great video very informative without a bunch of unnecessary rambling
I have a 07 Audi S4 and a 95 Jeep Wrangler YJ and if you’re not mechanically inclined, NEVER buy a old German sports car off warranty. Yes, the Audi is a blast to drive but if you even look at it wrong something breaks. My two cars couldn’t be more opposites, great video btw.
Iv bought two brand new vehicles. Still own them both and recently just bought a used Porsche Maccan from a Porsche dealer and boy what a bargain that car is absolutely beautiful machine and in fantastic condition. I'd also suggest always renew the dealership warranty, it's worth its weigh in gold.
Nice presentation - and your Cayenne looks great at 15 years old!
I have the exact Cayenne Turbo, I now have 221,000 miles! Love this beast!
I've definitely been lucky with mine. I purchased my '10 GTS 3.5 years ago with 53k miles. It now has 94k miles. Before I got it, the previous owner had a oil leak and they performed a complete engine out service on. I was nervous because of that, but ultimately dove in and did so without any warranty. Since then I have had to: 1. Re-glue the back of the passenger seat (free). 2. Noticed it was stumbling, found cracked ignition coils and replaced them all for about $550. 3. Discovered a small coolant leak under the intake manifold, turned out to be a broken/cracked vent line. New hose was $38 and replaced it myself. 4. While fixing the coolant vent line I decided to proactively replace the starter which was about $450. 5. Driveshaft bearing carrier started failing. Almost purchased aftermarket solution but saw several folks mention they developed vibration afterwards, so chanced it and did the jimi-fix which involves creating a new bearing carrier with 5/8-inch heater hose and zip ties. Worked like a charm and zero vibration. Cost me about $8 in parts. That was two year ago, checked on it about a month ago and no signs of wear. Going to continue to send it. 6. Coolant reservoir finally cracked and gave up the ghost this summer during a heatwave. Aftermarket tank was $85 and installed myself in about 30 minutes (although it did require a coolant vacuum tool which I already purchased to change out coolant with regular maintenance). That's pretty much it besides tires, oil, spark plug changes, etc. It's been a pretty reliable car for me compared to what I hear from some others. Took it on a 1,500 mile road trip earlier this summer. Handled it like a champ and the most comfortable long distance driving car I've ever rode in.
"That's pretty much it besides..." Honestly looks worse than a beaten up car that's a fraction of the cost of Porsche. I did this kind of maintainance to 1 car and after that never again.
@@quarkkino1573 Yeah, it looks that you need to be a semi-mechanic type of guy to own one of this high demanding mantainance type of car. I always wanted to buy a Cayenne, but now i´m re-thinking it. I don´t want to be dealing with those "little details" to keep it running nice. I own a 2012 Camaro SS for 10 years now, I have take it to the track and beat the sh out of it, and use it as a daily driver. Never had an issue, NONE whatsoever, never taken it to the dealer or any autorepair-shop. THAT is the kind of car i want, and more if it as expensive as a Porshe. I´m kind of dissapointed because I was really looking forward to buy a Cayenne, but i don´t want to buy a Toyota , I want something sporty and reliable.
“And that’s it!” Ok. You know that’s not normal right? The affordable used German car is the least affordable car there is.
@@manfredstrappen7491 about $1,500 in maintenance parts and fixes, and a few hours of my time over 3+ years for a 10+ year old car isn’t bad at all. My wife’s Dodge Grand Caravan has had more issues than my Cayenne ever did. If you want ultimate in reliability and years of trouble-free driving then drive a Toyota or a Lexus. It’s just going to be pretty boring to drive in comparison to a Cayenne. My GTS handles like a sports car and tows with ease. It may not be for everyone but love mine.
I was in high school when the Cayenne was introduced, and used to salivate over them, even was delusional enough to try begging my dad to lease one. Now, 18 to 19 years later, I see them on every used car lot with faded badges and jaundiced yellow headlights, and I can’t help but laugh
I used to take my 87 Targa to a local dealer for servicing. I told the service manager that i was thinking of picking up a Cayenne. He strongly cautioned against it. That was good enough for me.
I changed the wheel bearing assembly on my A6 for $80. Needed a couple new triple square socket sizes to do it, so that added abot $20 to the job but that's about it. The bearing for the Cayenne is $40. The tool for this can be rented, or you can get one for about $200.
DIY is so much cheaper , especially on things that need lots of work but not many parts (head gasket, engine mounts, oil seal rings between gearbox and engine, wheel bearings and lots more).😊
Wow, you must really love this car. I owned a CRV for 13 years and took it to 243k. Its maintenance intervals were so short and it always needed parts replaced, but I loved it.
Reliability is great but driving a CRV isn’t like driving a Cayenne. Having said that, how TF can’t Porsche/Audi/BMW/M-B make/source the simplest, most proven systems that most every other manufacturer mastered in the 70’s-80’s? They must dump all their money on upholstery, designers and performance and just trying to get their bleeding edge big budget stuff to last through a few test drives while making part suppliers meet one objective: Cost.
@@manfredstrappen7491 TBH there is always a tradeoff between reliability and luxury. Porsche's style outbeat any of the honda, toyota and even lexus in all aspects and it makes you proud when you show off in a holiday weekend at your friends' house. The sacrifice is you have to pay attention to any little issues that come up with these German junks that wasnt designed to last longer than a couple of years. And i wouldnt recommend anyone to get one of these wo a warranty and i am not a fan of dealing with trouble in my daily driver in the rest of the 350 days of the year.
Euros cars are not to build for reliability but for optic that will last long for few years and broke . These cars market are aimed for clueless Rich people who don’t mind getting ripped off . Fact !!!
You are comparing a CRV to a Cayenne... Is like asking why a Corolla is more reliable than a GTR. Cayenes are known to be reliable they can easily reach 300k but they are luxury cars. You think Lexus is any cheaper with all their overpriced parts?
For the same reason Lexus is still making cars with rusty frames, meltin interiors, head gasket issues, transmission issues, peeling paint, oil consumption, etc... do you think lexus parts are any cheaper? no such a thing. @@vampirel1983
Very eye opening. I'm happy with my '18 Acura RDX that I purchased as a CPO in '20. Drives well and has the rock solid V6 engine. No issues in 18K miles.
You should have zero issues for 118k lol
Transmission issues and melting interior here you go. Watch for the recalls for your truck. Thank me later.
@@ToyotaAristo What truck?
Bought a 23 C8 Vette; reading all the complaints about C8's then seeing this video ; its a real eye opener
I owned same one, there were two routes usually from house to garage and front garage to ... another garage. But torque and driving reaaly exciting
Which warranty company did you go with? Would you recommend them? Any other ones that you considered? Thanks.
THANK YOU SO MUCH for this review. I considered trading my old Boxster for this but now realize I will never afford the upkeep. As for my 986 Boxster, fairly simple and cheap to maintain, I'm content. Bough a Toyota RAV instead.
I have a 2012 BMW X5 Diesel that has been FAR cheaper to maintain than this one. Currently at 120K miles and just replaced the Comfort Access door handle on the drivers side ($300 for parts online vs. about $900 the dealer quoted) and Continental DWS tires a number of times over the years (As these are 315 wide on the rear, they only get about 30K miles per set) and regular oil changes. Total maintenance costs = less than $500/year for the last 11 years
I had the 2004 with what I think was the quickest motor. The driving experience was the best of all the cars I’ve owned. It was very costly and I kept it for maybe 4 years, did the dreaded plastic coolant connection replacement. When it came time to do the springs and suspension I had about 120k on it (I bought it used in 08 and it had less than 20k in it). I knew the issues when I bought it, but it was a fresh immaculate example. I regret not keeping it but it was easy to see that all the plastic was drying out and all the little things were going to require time and attention. I just miss the pull it had and it felt like a masculine suv. Best truck I’ve owned!
Just rub some tree sap on the coolant hoses.
Makes me so happy to be an owner of an old Honda Accord. 2005, 160k miles, 2.4L, 4-cylinder, 5 speed manual. Outside of regular maintenance I had to replace the radiator. Absolutely no other issues, nothing leaking, no electrical issues. The car runs smooth and is a blessing to have
I’d kill myself if I had to drive that
...mmm Ole Blue my 2001 Honda Accord EXL 4 cylinder - 5 speed manual only has 471,000 miles on it . AND it is still shining and running like new .... I wished that I had bought two of them just in case this one gets stolen
@@diverdave4056 Holy hell 471k miles? That is absolutely insane.
@@jaysmith6013 i would have had more miles on it BUT i had to retire 5 years ago to take care of my father until he passed away ... my Odyssey van has 125,000 miles on it - and yes i am the only driver of both
@@diverdave4056 Same my accord would have had more miles on it as well but it’s driven way less now that it’s just a 3rd car for our family. Keeping it because I still enjoy driving it and my kids will have something to learn how to drive a manual I drove that car from Chicago to Southern California to Northern California and back to Chicago last summer. Put on 4500 trouble free miles without as much as a second thought will I get stranded. It’s such a solid car and runs just as good as it did 10 years ago
Nice video. May I know which warranty company did you go with? Could you recommend some of them? Thanks.
Nice job!
I’ve got an ‘09 Prius that I’ve owned for 10 years. It’s never had a fault. I’ve only ever taken it to the mechanic for a service and brake pad replacement which was done recently for the first time.
Ive a 05 e55 , its a beast of a car , but bullet proof so far ... I have done my research it is the year n model that is already depreciated as much as it has , now it goes up in value , might buy a few more ...appreciating now , KBB for 12 k , good luck finding one @ that price .
I used to own a Porsche 944S that did have some mechanical issues, but luckily I had tools and knew a lot about mechanics and was able to take care of the car reasonably well. I now have a 2019 Nissan 370Z that I bought new that now has about 46K miles. There have been no mechanical issues whatsoever and the only expenses have been the cost of routine maintenance.
It is disappointing that Porsche, with their vaunted engineering skills, continues to produce vehicles with faulty parts. There is no reason for it except that they cheap out wherever possible to maximize their profits on their already wildly overpriced vehicles.
Faulty parts? Cayenes are very reliable. As a lexus owner you can buy a Toyota/Lexus and deal with the frame rust, body rust, paint peeling, melting interior, clear coat peeling, head gasket, oil consumption, transmission issues.. or just change the drive shaft by warranty in your Porsche. @@cvn6555
interference engine with timing belt that routed along the water pump, high cost every 36k maintenance and still designed to fail
Beautiful car brother. Love the rims and red calipers and the 007 grey color in general.
Appreciate it!
Nice Video! Which after market warranty did you purchase for this car? Thanks
I have driven a lot of cars, personal and work vehicles, of all types, and the number of problems experienced by this car while it still had low milage and age is insane. I still own a 1998 C230 Mercedes, and I have had if for 20 years, I drove it cross county and back and up and down the East Coast and only had two serious issue with it and very few other issues. If I had a car like this Porche, which seem to be in the shop all the time, I would soon sell it.
You would not sell it, though. Most people that get one have wanted one for a long time and it feels like they have achieved something in ownership. Once you have one and drive one daily it is really difficult to give that up. Not worth the price that is charged but you can't duplicate the experience. Many people also love the cachet of having one as it does impress people to pull up in one.
I'd kick it in with steel-toed construction boots if any car did this to me.
I bought a medium mileage 2005 Cayenne Turbo in 2009 and had nothing but trouble with it. There were constantly problems with it. There wasn’t a 3-month period when it didn’t need to go to the garage in the 3 years I owned it.
I have an '08 Cayenne S. I also had the driveshaft bearing issue, but not until about 170k miles. I had the high pressure fuel pump issue around 70k. The car now has 218k miles and I'm just using it until I figure out what to get next. (Looking at ordering a new Escalade Sport Platinum) One major plus for this car is the brakes. With original rotors and 218k miles, no brake shudder!! That's amazing in my experience.
My 2016 Holden Commodore, has had one stop light bulbs replaced, one 12 volt lead acid battery replaced, one set of tyres replace & two 3 volt fob key battery's replaced. Plus regular servicing.
Very thorough review my friend!! The Cayenne is my dream car but I'm deathly afraid of it also. I've mainly driven BMWs and now drive a Mercedes now but neither gives me that queasy feeling in the pit of my stomach the way purchasing a Cayenne does. I was close to buying an '06 which had all the maintenance records but a misfire problem that I wasn't looking to entertain. I think I'll wait on a 2012 model to become available. But plastic cooling hoses placed beneath the engine is something that never should have left the design room. What were they thinking??
Thank you! The plastic coolant lines were fixed starting in 08 thankfully. Reliability has gotten better with the newer ones.
Watch out for there air suspension.its unique and an expensive fix
Oh and the other car that has this air suspension is the fantastic french Citroen of the 90s
@@minigrande1939 many cars have had air suspension. The Citroen hydropneumatic system was more similar to Mercedes ABC that was on the CL class in the 2000s, not the Cayenne which has air struts and a separate hydraulic PDCC system.
Dude I'm staying with my Subaru. 260,000 miles and it's still going strong.
And it has Porsche 911 engine to boot!
Just sold my 2004 wrx . Had to get a new clutch after too many launches. I would have bought another subaru but the infotainment system and cvt trashmission. Miss that car
@@AK-bw8xk Yeah they really need to give us an option without a damn CVT!!
@@AK-bw8xkthe new infotainment system is nice though, have you seen the premium trims?
Great Content…you are so calm in describing numerous and sundry reasons (by way of the issues you document and describe) why it makes absolutely no sense to me to purchase a Porsche Cayenne S (995/997). The infamous price of parts (Porsche tax) finding a good technician, I do not have the money or patience to own one of these vehicles, even though the driving experience is superb. I’d rather rent one and then walk away.
Had one 2007 for 12 years. 300 000km now. Still own, daily driver. Never a problem except the clogged water drains. Fabulous car, super comfy, super reliable. Put 10k€ into it a year ago to refresh it (new hoses, new headlights, paint fixing, new hood logo, full in depth service + the little interior fixing needed after 12 years with 2 kids). Best car I ever owned. Will keep it until the end.
v6 or v8?
@@fym2010 v6
@@fym2010 Most important info.
I had a base model 2008 the only non-maintenance issue I had in 125,000 miles was the carrier bearing. Porsche mechanics check that every oil change so we caught it before it was a problem. The higher the performance model you buy the more expensive the repairs. These are built like a tank. I drove mine hard like a truck and a sports car; it took all I could dish out. It’s a tough SUV. Would definitely buy again. Great review!
That’s the thing with Porsche. The harder you drive them, the better they do. I miss my 944t.
We have a 2016 Cayenne Diesel and have had very little trouble with it. The only 2 major issues were the diesel particulate filter & a water leak inside the car on passenger-side floorboard. I can't remember the initial cause but I believe the water was coming from a clogged tube that drains rainwater (does that sound familiar to anyone??) The dealer said it was rather "typical" of Cayennes. As for the dreaded diesel particulate filter.....Luckily it was warranty work but it would've cost us around $3500 to replace. It only has 30k miles on it currently and they're mostly city miles and I was told we need to get it out on the highway so the filter could heat up and burn off the residue. Anyway....love the car but after watching this video I may be in for some heft repair bills if we hang on to it.
thanks for convincing me I don't need a Cayenne like I thought I did.
Wow, this change my mind about buying a used one. Thanks for sharing.
Glad I could help. The Cayenne isn't for everyone. It is highly capable for an SUV, but it takes a lot of engineering to overcome physics. Fortunately, I had an aftermarket warranty, which covered the majority of the repairs.
I have the same model & haven't had any issues with mine. Just a few performance goodies!! I'm at 77k miles
Thanks Soo much for sharing. Very informative. Looking at one
Just for everybody's information. If you have a coil go out you do not need to pull over and get a car towed. The car will drive with a coil out and you can drive it to wherever you need to
Five years ago, I ran an all-makes shop. More than once, new owners of used Cayennes showed up who couldn't afford an oil change at our heavily discounted rate. Brake jobs were also well beyond the means of the typical Cayenne BHPH victim. The people who want these without the credit rating to get a lease can't afford the maintenance, let alone the routine repairs.
I felt like this was a virtual tuition and a reality check all in one.
Had a 2011 cayenne s with 113k miles that I thought I got for a steal but the motor blew after just 1000 miles (no, it wasn't the cam bolt). Clean car fax and appeared maintained very well. 18k replacement. Almost 2x the car cost. Got 2k back for it. Back to jdm.
Dam they got you good
Always lease
You bought a cheap neglected one. They are reliable. Buy a neglected Toyota, bmw, cadillac and you will end up the same.
Owned a pair of 08’ cayenne turbos (his and hers) the damn things ate me out of house and home just in brakes, rotors and tires much less the catastrophic coolant pipe failure not under warrantee. NOTE: if you live in a cold climate (temps that drop below 0 F in winter) these engines score bores.
I forgot to mention in the video, but i had my coolant pipe pinned while the engine mounts were replaced. Mine isn't going anywhere.
I have a 2007 X5 with the V8 that I've owned for the last 10 years. It costs about $3K/year on average to keep it on the road. Some expensive repairs were done for leaky value seals causing oil burning; two AC compressors going bad; air suspension failure; coolant leaks, etc. If you can't afford new German iron, you can't afford used either.
German Engineers: “Should we use plastic for this critical component?” “Nein!” “What if it’s the cheapest and worst plastic we could find?” “Then, yes!’”
Thanks for the video. After watching, I don't ever want a Cayenne. That's a lot of money and downtime to keep that thing on the road. For $23,000, you can buy another pretty nice used car. Like you said, hopefully it's all sorted out. Good luck with it.
Yeah, its not really the car to buy if you just need "a car". You really need to value what it can do for you specifically to be a reasonable option.
Plus those cayennes are so ugly and cheap looking to spend $23k on it. Insane.
"For $23,000, you can buy another pretty nice used car" like...a Cayenne! Whence 'if you cant afford two dont buy one'
I had one of the very early Cayenne Turbos, a one owner car from new, obviously they had changed out the plastic water pipes across the top of the engine after they gave up but it was plagued by water leaks of one sort or another (including the feed pipes to the alternator...yes, these have water cooled alternators!) But, and it is a BIG but, the driving experience in the Cayenne is superb, outrageous, better than it should ever be and decidedly and uniquely Porsche, 4 wheel drifting with precise control should not be as possible and enjoyable in such a car but the Cayenne makes it so...
Makes you wonder why Porsche didn't hire a QC specialist from Toyota.
Drifting? 😂
Thanks for sharing
Wow I was getting ready to buy 1 over the weekend.but after this video ,no way!