The 90's Star Who Started His Own Religion | Andrew Keegan Documentary
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This is the story of how 90's star Andrew Keegan (featured in movies Camp Nowhere, Independence Day, 10 Things I Hate About You and more) started his own church in Venice Beach, California, and what happened not long after.
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First of all look at his birth chart & just look at his Eyes. Pure water Pure Pisces 🙏🏽
I remember watching him in 7th Heaven - wondered what happened to him, but "created his own religion" wasn't on my list of possibilities.
I was about to comment something similar. Like, this is so out of left field. 😂
Same here! I thought he was the hottest thing smoking as a kid but definitely didn’t expect that.
@@jenc3825Right?!?!? Like, maybe he became an accountant? Not this!
Just want to say, I love your name! Wear that with pride.
@@It-is-me...MelsieThank you!
The fact that he connected the tsunami in Japan that killed thousands of people to some random stuff that happened to him is insane. Serious case of "main character syndrome". 🤦♀
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I thought the same thing. I cringed sooo hard 😅
i almost spit my coffee out.... like wow... really the tsunami ok...
Absolutely! At that point I began to realise that he's probably not particularly bright.
@@It-is-me...Melsie or completely delusional... or both 🤣
Honestly this one seems pretty chill, there didn't seem to be any scams or harm or anything, just a guy who was really into his spiritual beliefs and wanted to do them with others. Nice palate cleanser from all the other horrific stories
Exactly. Seems he was providing a place for exchange of ideas and positive planning. Not fleecing or violating anybody.
💯 I completely agree!
What spiritual beliefs did he have? This was a cult, plain as day. Elevating yourself over God is blasphemous and dangerous.
@@patriciawilhite7038there's no such thing as blasphemy, and no one elevated themselves over god. Fundamental religious belief is more dangerous than this new age cult. They're coming together in love and harmony, which is what Jesus commanded. It sounds pretty harmless, all things considered. If the creator of the universe gets offended by this, that's a bit pathetic don't you think?
I was waiting to see a comment like this. This doesn't seem too bad really
this is...oddly wholesome. like, this guy fell into the celebrity trap of thinking he was genuinely special because everyone in his circle celebrated him, but when he tried to create his own thing he put up his own funds to front it. he didn't abuse anyone or coerce anyone, and when reality blinked into his sights he returned to what worked originally and released his grasp on the group. holy heck this actually made me a fan of his lol. every child star goes crazy at some point in their lives. this is honestly the absolute best case scenario
Untill they drink the cool aid
Yeah, in the grand scheme this seems pretty harmless.
This is a cult. They don't ever end well.
Exactly. He never hurt anyone else or himself which is rare amongst people who experience stardom at a young age
Yeah wholesome creating a sex cult
Definitely the least dangerous sounding celebrity involved religion I've heard about
Yeah they drinking milk and setting intentions, while meditating. Not like the others who branded humans like livestock and weird sex rituals.
Yeah. Doesn't seem to be any pedo shit, branding, beatings, etc., so they're definitely better than most.
Edit: Also appears no money scamming
I came to say all of the above!
I came to say all of the above!
I love how when people have nothing to say and really want to sound profound and intellectual they speak in word salads. They dress up their empty message in pretty big words that mean nothing.
They really do, don't they? The quote at @7:52 basically smoothed out my brain, and his rambling at 10:28 just about flung me into orbit and beyond. 😂 Like they say, shallow water is noisy 🤷🏻♀️
@@joseabito-on442 That's how you know if someone is full of shit. Politicians are the best at it.
Sad part is they think we are so uneducated that they think they are saying something so prolific that they should “write” a book.
Word salad 😂 I love that
It's seems like the entire focus of the cult was playing music and love bombing each other. That's not something that can really last, although I'm sure it's nice to experience at the time.
This sounds like a Californian's idea of a non-denominational church. As an Appalachian I've seen this a million times, it's just spiritual people who don't align with other religious groups available to them. He didn't take advantage of anyone, but actually attempted to better himself and others around him. Not my cup of tea, but he had good intentions.
Yes, it's almost like a Unitarian Universalist Church but with a different name.
Good for you and your objectivity! Totally my cup of tea personally and wish we had more of it everywhere lol but again appreciate the grace you show :)
@@cassondralynch6342 Thank You! ☺
Agree. Not a cult-which is centered around one guru leader, takes all your money, separates you from friends and loved ones…. Just Californians making a group where they be very “California”
@@teresamansbach1419 Seemed like a lovely organization if you ask me : )
My best friend ran sound at Full Circle in Venice for many years and is very close with Keegan to this day. I went to a Friday night Shabbat service / dinner a bunch of years back and found the experience very open and wholesome
how wonderful, ya it seems wholesome and very venice i'm a LA native and could instantly tell this is no cult this is just venice people being venice people and it looked really nice i'm sad I didn't get to attend at least once had no idea it was even a thing didn't make my way to the beach often.
Omg I just watched a deep dive on Leann Rimes and how when she was dating Andrew Keegan, he was the one that made her question how her dad was handling her money (her dad was triple dipping)
I saw a video like that too. He seemed to really care about her despite the age gap
I always thought he was too good looking for her 😅 I’m glad he helped her tho
I always figured he saw the shade and having also been a child star, wanted her to have a chance at getting back what was stolen from her
@@Bunny11344 What? Eddie Cibrian was (at the time of the affair) better looking than Keegan. Mind you, I have my suspicions as to why Cibrian has stayed with Rimes all these years ... Keegan's motives seem to have been more genuine attraction and probably a feeling of fellowship, having been a working child actor who got a taste of fame when he was young too. I'm sure he could relate to Rimes.
@@SY-ok2dq Andrew Keegan looked good young, now not so much. Not really a fan of any of them since I don’t like cheaters.
This seems like a sincere attempt at approaching individual spirituality. That's not how a cult functions. It's not my jam, but it seems to make them happy.
Agreed
If it was everyone's jam we'd be better off according to science at this point! lol
Pretty sure that's actually how most cults start. Seems like hippy, chill, commune together. Few years later...☠️ Time will tell.
@@kaitb07 He seemed to have made it clear though it wasn't about him which I don't think is typical.. idk lol. They closed down anyway though. I personally think it'd be great if there were a bunch of free centers for people to gather and meditate, chant, etc. We could use the positivity.
isn't a cult originally just a organized religion? so still cult like
I used to be so obsessed with Andrew Keegan. I would have probably joined his cult in the late 90s/early 2000s 😂
😬 same though
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It would have become the 3rd cult I “may or may not have been in”. 😂😅
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I am a bit sad for all the child actors that strive to find a higher purpose but then just fall in to these cults or movements that don't actually result in what they are looking for. At least with Andrew there does not appear to be any major damage that was done like Alison Mack.
I wonder how many turn to spirituality simply because it feels less awkward than the movie business: letting them tell themselves they are working towards something meaningful, instead of being a sad has-been.
Just looked up Alison mack. Never knew al that happened
Tragic story of so many, searching in the wrong place
Wonder if Andrew & Allison Mack talked about religion on the set of Camp Nowhere....
It wasn’t a cult, not even close. it was a cool place for artists to meet and it had fun events. God forbid Americans have any fun or freedom.
Is this church weird? Yes Does it seem relatively harmless? Also yes This is probably the most normal celebrity backed religious movement I’ve come across 😭
What seems weird about it in particular? The whole shame around supposed "woo woo" is getting pretty stale. Especially considering much of it's literally scientifically proven at this point. The power of energy, meditation, intention, yoga. These are becoming indisputable. So what exactly was weird to you?
Harmless? Well if he’s taking their money & making false promises ..that’s pretty harmful. I wanna know how he made a tangible difference in the community. Besides chanting, weird drinks & making bracelets made out of crystals. “It was just a moment in time” .. in other words he was bored & there was a lull in his career so he thought he’d dabble in a cult until the money ran out. Sounds solid to me. Poor ppl were duped.
@@vanessajanik4623 Duped into meditating and chanting? Something people have been doing for thousands of yrs that's scientifically proven to be beneficial and not just woo woo? How terrible to meet like minded and positive people (for free) to focus inward and better themselves. Sounds like something you could maybe try because from this post and the other I saw from you you sound bitter and quite obnoxious to be frank. Also quite dated in how you view new age ideology.
No it’s a cult
ALL religion is dangerous.
I’m shocked at some of the comments because this guy is literally just encouraging people to look on the bright side and that’s easier done with a group of people sharing in the same positivity. It’s something I think is uplifting and needed in a lot of communities. Andrew could’ve went full Jim Jones but at the end of the day, he chose to try and help people find peace of mind. No scams, no assaults, no polygamy, no begging, no scandals. Andrew is a rare type
Agree
It's satanic , you're just naive
I think the KZheadr tried to find something wrong with, or showcase in a dark light, so all the other people followed the same vibe.
Sorry, but what you are describing is the minimum to be a decent person. To spread conspiracy theories over real life occurrences like the tsunami and to make it all about himself it's neither positive or uplifting
@@MatildeVallespinCasas I disagree, people grieve differently when it comes to different things. This group provided a safe space for those people to cultivate more positivity in their life, something that’s hard to find for many people. Even if the guy made it about himself, he still gave those people a place to cultivate goodwill and much needed uplifting without scamming or sex scandal. It doesn’t change the impact he was able to make in peoples lives. Humans do good things to feel good about themselves, humans are inherently narcissistic in nature. He just used his narcissism for the good of others
I'm bummed that Full Circle closed. I attended two weeklong workshops there on women's sexual health and wellness, which were run by another organization that rented the space. I had an amazing time there. The space was warm, healing, and had a strong spiritual vibe. I grew so much as a person during my time at Full Circle. If I could, I would thank him personally for opening up that space to the community. I wish him well on his future endeavors. Compared to other cults you've covered on this channel, I wouldn't classify this as even an "almost" cult. However, I am curious to learn more about the alleged cult of Jared Leto. 😂
I agree on the Jared Leto sentiment. xD
Nice to hear from someone involved with it. Glad it wasn't harmful.
It looks like it was nice. I stayed at a similar place in Australia before. It's also gone sadly.
It doesn’t sound like a cult to me either. There was nothing strange or sinister here. People just wanted support and to support good feelings, enlightenment, and something meaningful out of repetitive, hard to grasp life. It resonates with my beliefs as well. Oneness. Love. All things connected. Manifestation and such. Being calm and centered in a world that can deteriorate health and the human body over time. God being expressed through all people. It resonates, he just couldn’t keep it going and moved on from it.
Pretty sure it was more of a community center building he rented out for workshops.
He doesn't seem like a bad guy. On the surface he has good intentions. I went into this thinking, oh great another one bites the dust. He's a quack. But the philosophies make sense, seems genuine and I feel like he truly wants to bring positivity into the world. I hope he finds peace, whatever that is to him.
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@@jentealwaves thank you so much! I laugh in my head every time I see it. I imagine it to sound like when someone is killing it in snatch game
I was afraid it's going to end badly and kinda relieved when it didn't. It's a relatively happy ending compared to other stories on this channel.
He’s one person that crossed my mind from time to time. Mostly because I couldn’t stand his character in “10 Things I Hate About You”. Lol.
Ahh i loved him in that movie, well hated yeah but acted so well
Compared to many of the other ones, this is downright wholesome. Hope he can get the finances straight.
I like that his organization wasn't asking for money, and just wanted to genuinely help people. This is pretty whole hearted. Case in point - financial strain was the reason for it closing it's doors. I didn't see one IG post asking for $$$$ or anything to keep them afloat.
I guess God didn't support his fake religion that misguides people into believing they are their own saviors.🤷♂
What did you miss that part
Actually, Full Circle didn't look that bad compared to other cult videos you have shared.
Glad you said this because I was thinking the same thing! Seems like these people just want to spread love and manifest the life they want. That’s how I live, nothing wrong with it. We are all spiritual beings having a human experience.
@@AlexasArtRoom Thank you !!! You speak my language. Spreading love and expanding consciousness is what I’m all about. 🙏🏼💜
He should’ve never called in a religion. Maybe it would’ve worked out.
@@AlexasArtRoom Right on sister
Surprised by how genuine he seems all things considered
What was good about what Keegan did was that he didnt take advantage or exploit anyone, he was genuinely trying to help people in a very abstract peace and love hippie kind of mentality, which is fine. No one was harmed, the whole experience was overall positive, it just didnt last long and when it was time to move on, he did. Good for him.
Andrew seems like a genuine human being searching for a connection to community in a spiritual way, not what we typically see as religious. It made sense that he called it a Spiritual Center, after all we are all spiritual beings having a human experience. His hope of meditative practice, and other forms of connection to ones community seemed genuine. I'm sorry that Full Circle had to close, but I wish him well on his journey.
I was just thinking about watching Camp Nowhere this morning, while doing dishes, and this pops up?!?! This is the spookiest thing that happened to me this spooky season~~~
I grew up in a Hindu based cult. As an adult I became just a regular Hindu. And I must say anyone who claims to be enlightened or fully realized is not. It’s not something you can claim for yourself. My experience is that people thinking they are enlightened and getting the ego boost of adoration leads to cults.
Sounds EXACTLY like the alphabet community!
The wisest man knows he knows nothing. - Buddha, Ghandi, or someone. 😁❤
Along with to much money or power. 😅
@rileyspence1403 yet you call yourself a Christian I bet. Hypocrisy lives within you
I think this is a great!! Zero exploitation, no lifestyle restrictions, no tyranny. The guy is just trying to cultivate positivity. In comparison to other religions… I approve.
Yeah, no.
I can’t get over his “life savings” being 150k… that dude literally starred in my childhood… wow the entertainment industry cheated the hell out child actors esp back before social media
Actors don't make as much as you think. Also, consider taxation.
You don’t watch “The Boyband Con” did you?? The Backstreet Boys got paid $10k each for Millienium. I feel like they all got scammed back then.
This video is a great example of how easy & hard it can be to create a "religious/spiritual" movement. He certainly had the whole word salad but say nothing part down, & I'm sure many of the little details were loved by people involved, like saying you love people when they speak. I end up wondering if the reason it didn't take off is because he really did mean well & therefore, because he wasn't in it to scam people, that's why it failed?
Absolutely agree. Those are my thoughts, as well....
it makes me a little sad cause I wanna make my own religion of love like that one day, when and if I have money... just to hear "I love you" and to set intentions to making the world a better place and being inclusive and understanding could be a religion in itself. it costs nothing to say "I love you," give a hug or some space if needed, and not treat people like dirt for being different or having spiritual experiences.
Lol it's horrible isn't? But ppl want to be scammed. I think unfortunately because he is so Hollywood which is an awful place to find wholeness that it would be too difficult and if he'd done it elsewhere it would have survived and probably gotten some great donations.
@@SantaFishes101 To chant "I love you" to a bunch of people who you don't actually have a deep love for is actually quite crass in my view. At that point it's just words, hollow words.
Honestly, that does sound pretty plausible.
I use to party with him in the early ‘00s he was exactly like this IRL. He always had his leg up leaning on his knee talking to people like he was the main character. We all thought he was cheesy back then too. He still got girls though. Go figure.
Well he was a cute star so a lot of people would like him
This is the most Venice beach thing I’ve ever seen.
Speaking about Venice Beach, check out Living Waters-Ray Comfort. He’s a staple there. 🙏
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I’ve been to his church in Venice Beach one time years ago and I saw him one time. This country is very hypocritical by saying they believe in religious freedom and bashing people for expressing their religion. Rich, middle, or poor spirituality is for all humans as a way to improve their lives and connection to something higher. Society promotes bad things that deteriorate others morally and tolerate it but they gonna talk bad about someone doing something to uplift others and society. Keep doing young man!
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While I agree with you, it doesn't surprise me they got hate. "A former famous person, who no longer works and running low on money, starts a 'religion' with themselves at the head only to scam people for money, sex, and power" isn't exactly a new idea. When you got these mega churches scamming people, others are always going to immediately assume that anyone new starting their own religion/group is also doing so for the same reasons. And let's be honest, dude starting the group because a tsunami happened the same day he got mugged just screams Crazy Person.
Well said 👍🏾
Religious freedom means the government is not allowed to arrest ppl for their religious beliefs. Like, I'm glad we all believe in that in this country. It does not mean citizens all have to act kindly towards any spiritual person.
Seriously… How arrogant and narcissistic can one be then to think that the world climate events are occurring because of some thing you’re doing at that time… Wow
He didn't say that. How thick do you have to be to think that.
Not to take away from the importance of the story, but I had no idea that Andrew Keegan was in Independence Day. I know it was a small, uncredited role but I’ve seen that movie no less than 20 ti,Ed and never recognized him amongst the cast.
I was obsessed with andrew in the 90's
Girl WHHHHAAATTT?!?! I used to have posters of him all over my walls. Camp Nowhere was awesome!! Can’t wait to watch this!!!!
Just a small correction. Dennis Kucinich was mayor of Cleveland back in the late 70s and served in Congress from 1997-2013.
I was JUST wondering where he's been. Whoa. Can't wait to watch.
Same!
What a beautifully curated documentary Josie, not at all judgemental just information. It seems like Andrew is searching for authentic relationships in a field full of transactional relationships. I hope his heart is in the right place and not trying to take from vulnerable people.
I thought it would end bad like most new age religions do and in a authoritative cult, but Andrew actually seemed like a real chill down to earth type of guy who never forced anything on any of the followers or frauded people out of money and just wanted to have a peace fun loving spiritual environment. Seemed like it was actually a genuine non cult environment
Anybody see how expensive those oils were from that botanical shop?? $30- $45 for a tiny bottle of jojoba oil and scent... Crazy
“California cliche” nailed it!
Risk comes reward…. I needed to hear that today lol. Quit my job and started at a private salon an hour away from my old one. Scared but excited lol
He seems like a generally nice guy. I wish him the best.
The bunnies were my favorite on the pet pallet cleanser 😊
He meant well, I truly believe that. But running this kind of group can require deception for financial success... And he didn't have a shark mentality. And in the end, that's definitely a good thing for all involved.
He definitely sounded like he was in the charismatic pre-cult leader stage. Thankfully, it seems like it didn’t get a chance to fully blossom.
Ok, honestly. This is probably a “religion” I would have participated in…Andrew seems sweet and genuine, it doesn’t seem fake or forced or scammy. It incorporates things I kinda believe or am into. But also, I’m glad he’s back to acting. He’s very good at it and other than thinking the tsunami was someone aligned with him somehow, he seems sweet and genuine and more down to earth than most out in Silicon Valley, and just California altogether lol I’m happy to hear he is doing well. It’s always nice to have a positive story, about a good person.💖🌸🌺
So... You're just a wannabe hippie?
@@hunnybadger442…what does that even mean? Also, don’t be a dick, mkay?
@@brettvv7475 I was being cheeky... I'm an adopted member of the original rainbow family myself... I really do miss the old timers I grew up around... Too many died much too soon... Hey if my generation or younger generations can actually pull it off safely... More power to them... But the road to hell tends to be paved with good intentions and the fact that no one has mentioned just how similar all of this is to hippie and rainbow culture is exactly what frightens me about it... Those whom do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it... I'm terminal anyway... so good luck... I'm not going to be around to see how it turns out anyway...
Great vid! Just want to point out the Kucinich was mayor of Cleveland, but back in the 70s. He did continue in politics but as a member of the US house in the Cleveland area for the years you mentioned. (When he was actually mayor of Cleveland, the city defaulted on their loans so many residents are still kind of salty about it lol.)
The part about LeAnn Rhymes dating him at 15 and moving in at 16 is making me sick. I know it has been so common in Hollywood, but that never makes it any easier to hear.
Exactly
For thousands of years our ancestors married women who were that age. Every straight man is attracted to fertile females. Just stop it woman, you're embarrassing.
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Yea but he was also only like 19
He figured out a way to charge for a nonstop meet and greet for fans without having to tour around. Pretty innovative. Well played
Ooooh girl…a video I didn’t know I needed!! As a Tiger Beat/Bop/Teen Beat aficionado, I never saw the Andrew Keegan appeal. He always had a slimy and smarmy feel about him 🤨 Ps: Camp Nowhere was a fave of mine. To this day I use a quote from Mud, “Just because you’re smart doesn’t mean you can’t act stupid.” Thank you for the trek down nostalgia lane 😊
i think thats specifically why i liked him lol i never liked the good boy i always wanted to dark bad boy (hahaha i cringed typing that)
Right?! I’ve always gotten the same vibe… swarthy? And yeah 9.75 times outta 10 if ya gotta say “it’s not a cult” then it’s a cult.
Smarmy
Yeah while he's objectively good-looking, he's also objectively egotistical as hell. He seems like the type to have a mirror on the ceiling because he likes to watch *himself* having sex. Even when I was a kid I got bad vibes from him, like he'd be the type to ignore you when you say things like "No" and "Stop".
I wasn’t a fan either. Some people just rub you the wrong way. Add to the list for me: Jada Pinkett-Smith and Tom Cruise. Some people are just … ick.
Imagine taking a natural disaster on the other side of the world and making it about you. The audacity
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Nope, you don't understand at all.
Sounds like an actor
Sounds exactly like the culture that is the social media age and it’s absolute TRASH!
I suddenly remembered this guy from a large number of 90s romcom, but I had forgotten all about him.
150K is his life savings? That's the saddest thing about this weird tale.
This is what I was scrolling to see if anyone said. Sounds like there must have been all kinds of mismanagement given how much work he did in the day.
"The Middle East has yet to comment but I'm sure they're thrilled". 💀 The dry wit in these videos gets me every time!
Love it.😂
The fact that Saudi Arabia has made Geeta, Ramayan and yoga a part of their curriculum. I think it is possible. Ofcourse, it has more to do with the reforms and image change that MBS is trying to do rather than Full circle but it's something.
Another amazing video by the incredible Josie! And I am living for the sass in this video!! “The Middle East has yet comment but we’re sure they’re thrilled” 😂😂
When a man with a beanie and a suit on placing his hands in prayer telling you he has a spiritual place for you to attend that will give you the answers you’re seeking….don’t just walk, RUN.
I love how tongue in cheek this one was josie😂
I honestly don’t think this was very cult-like. It doesn’t follow the “BITE” formula or whatever it’s called. Ok the word salad was off-putting and the tsunami thing was...not ok, but it seemed like for once the “religion” he was trying to make was coming from a good place. It’s a bit too hippy-dippy for me personally but I totally agree with his sentiments on how there should be more communal settings and gatherings that are similar to church but without the traditional religious connotations. It seems like they wanted to have kind of an open door to a lot of different types of beliefs (although more within the new age category). I think the “I love you” is, yeah, a bit odd but at the same time I think the idea of creating that acceptance from others and the intention to help each other by listening to each others hopes and dreams is a very integral part of humanity, community in general is a huge part of humanity. It just seems like a positive thing vs. the kind of crap that oozes from scientology and other cults. It was neat to learn about him and this movement though, I just don’t think it was a bad thing? I honestly think the guy probably got tired of having to keep the temple afloat because he wasn’t scamming people like many religions and cults do. There was actually a "non-religious" church in the city I used to live in that had a wide array of different celebrations and rituals from all different beliefs and they held dances too. I always wanted to go because I know that "community" thing is such an integral caveman element of our chemistry but alas my introversion ruled out. But I always thought it was SUCH a great idea, especially for youth who can't force themselves to believe in a religion but they need a community.
That is def one of the key pieces for a successful cult. Money. Good thing he didn't get that far.
Andrew Keegan was and still is an actor and a surfer. Nothing more.
seems quite harmless, and he appears to be very genuine
Your videos are always so well produced and entertaining
Thanks for featuring Molly and Maddie at the end of the video! I can't wait to show my wife!! ❤️🐾❤️
They're so cute! Thanks for sharing. 🐾
Molly and Maddie are super cute ❤
I loved the Rose Temple and enjoyed the events I attended on that building in each incarnation of it. It was a lovely community.
Wow, it seems like he was closer to his "10 Things I Hate About You" character than I anticipated. 😬
Thank you so much for his, I had such a challenging day, and I am so happy that now I get to watch your newest video!!
Never been so early!
LMAO the subtle dig at Stephen Collins at 2:01 :D
Andrew is a kind and genuine person, as well as a loving dad. ✨
It's fortunate for everyone, including him, that the religion was not a success. It's success that drives people like that further into abusive cult territory. We know he has some tendency in that direction by his willingness to make a tsunami about himself. That kind of "reasoning" goes hand in hand with all manner of abuse, gaslighting, and general looniness. I think he's lucky -- and certainly anyone involved in his religion is lucky -- it didn't go further down that path. He could have become another L. Ron Hubbard or Joseph Smith.
That’s a really good point
Maybe…or, are those just the ones everyone hears about? Just call me Skeptical Sarah - lol
@@sarahissersohn5495 Not sure what you mean -- that there are a lot of successful cult leaders who didn't become abusive? Or that there are a lot of successful new religions that didn't turn into abusive cults? Either way, I suspect we would have heard of them if they were hugely successful. Because that's generally what we mean by "success" -- it's been popularized really widely.
You have a really good point. Well said.
Yes, I've been waiting for you to cover this!!
Honestly it doesn’t seem like much of a cult or religion to me! They seem very eccentric but are not pushing people into it or making you lose contact with your family. I think it’s important to distinguish the differences since true cults cause a lot of pain and trauma for the people stuck and brainwashed in! Anywho this was great I learned so much 😊
Yesss, good point. The BITE model doesn't seem to apply. But also we only see a slice of what was going on.
I had the biggest crush on him...we knew the same friends so we'd be in the same places. He's always been laid back and super cool.
I guess that's how an aging teenage heartthrob maintains the attention he craves, by starting a cult.
I’m so glad you mentioned Thrive. It seems like all cults eat weird and dress weird on top of being lovey dovey.
I was online looking for Berberine and the retailer was Thrive. Yikes!
"The middle east has yet to comment, but we're sure they're thrilled" 😂
You always come up with the coolest stories! I had no idea that this man (or really any actor) had done something like this, and it was so interesting to hear about. I found myself googling him to make sure he wasn't in any of the tv shows I loved (he wasn't lol).
I see a pattern of the people I had crushes on being terrible people like the people I dated. It makes me seriously wonder if these movies and tv shows groomed us to date abusive people by making abusive people look so cool….
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Oh man lol you're not serious right? You never knew any of these ppl...
That's an interesting thought!
How is he terrible? Egotistical but.....?
What was abusive about him?
It sounds like it ended before things became dark. Great work as usual. This seems like a rabbit hole I'd like to deep dive into.
It ended because his intentions were good. He never once asked anybody for money. Never took advantage of others and truly wanted to help others.
I literally had not thought of him til now. You have THE BEST channel!!! ❤
aaaahhhhh SO glad this channel was recommended to me! thank you for your awesome content!
I remember him. Didn't know he'd gone all new age woo-woo. Hopefully no one was scammed or hurt.
Hopefully you learn how to comprehend things before you comment. New age woo woo as you call it isn't a bad thing when good people are involved. Do us all a favor adhd get off social media. Go outside and actually experience life without being on your phone. Because clearly social media has made a Debbie downer out of you.
LOVE the pet palate cleansers! So good!!
Andrew popped in my head the other day! Def need to watch this video. Thank you!!
i binge every video! so well put together.
I’m obsessed with ur channel💗💗💗💗
Nothing says I’m in a cult like not being able to answer a single question straight up🤣🤣
He’s still fine AF. He looks good.
Just another brilliant Documentary from NTGG! Thank you!
I had a huge crush on him growing up. Dang!
Thnx Josie for another amazing video
I was surprised to see a video from you that had, somewhat, of a positive ending. I just knew I was gonna wind up hating him by the end of this video, but I'm actually happy for him.
I think what Andrew did is really commendable and cool. I have no idea why it is on a site that exposes cults . . . this is a genuinely caring, creative and spiritual man who did nothing but good. I wish I would have known about when it was open . . . I would have loved to check it out
Can't believe the reporter willingly drank that milky substance 😂
I wonder what it was
Your videos are absolutely awesome thank you so much I’m enjoying them thoroughly
Very interesting! I never knew who he was to be honest. His spiritual beliefs and movement definitely seem really benevolent in nature and well intended in comparison to the other religions and cults covered on this channel. He seemed sincere in his motivations, not looking to control other people at all. Not everyone will resonate with these kinds of beliefs, we're all exploring life on our own paths. No matter how weird some people's belief systems may seem to other people, I think no one wants to feel alone in their belief systems and it's a natural thing to want to meet with and get together with other people who share the same beliefs and interests. That's part of our nature, people are very tribal. Thanks for covering this story! :) Great content as usual.
I had no idea!😳 this is so weird to me. I remember my female tween friends being CRAZY about him. I never understood because even as a kid, I couldn't see kids like that. His face was everywhere, though. Teen and Tiger Beat posters of him taped all over the walls of their bedrooms alongside Jonathan Taylor Thomas and that blonde kid. I thought they were so weird.... Then I went and watched The Professional, Air Force One and Romeo Is Bleeding for the ten thousandth time because I was obsessed with Gary Oldman. 😅
Is the blonde kid Jonathan Brandis?
@@crazyyettaooh or Devon Sawa.