Milling Another Heat Exchanger Plate on the Horizontal Boring Mill - Manual Machining
A while back, I was brought a plate for a heat exchanger to mill down. The acid wash that was done on it had damaged the plate by pitting the surface. That plate was set up and milled on the Planer Mill. This time I do it on the Lucas HBM.
Check out the other video to see the differences in operation and decide for yourself which way was better.
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That statement "I did such a terrible job they sent me another one to do" was hilarious. Must have been satisfying in response to those comments.
I admire anyone that puts their work on KZhead. I can't imagine criticizing a professional.
I'm retired after a lifetime of fabrication, welding and machine work. Sure, I can think of different ways to do jobs I've watched you accomplish. I very never think my way is appreciably better. Can't say I've ever thought you are wrong and certainly not incompetent.
Thanks. Yes, there are many ways to do any job. At the end of the day, the customer is happy and I got paid.
You ask 10 machinists how to do a job and you'll get 11 answers.
I've heard several of the really big channel owners that I follow say that one of the hardest things for them to adjust to between 50K and 100K followers was learning to ignore the haters. They say it gets a little better past 100K. I think you do great work. Thanks for the content, keep it coming.
Nice work, Josh and thanks for letting us watch. You know, it continually amazes me how you can invite people in to watch the work that you perform and some want to tell you how you are doing it wrong...on a job that the customer approves of and is sending you repeat work for. So, don't mind the armchair engineers. You know, as most experienced engineering machinists do, that there is usually several ways to complete a job successfully. You choose the method that best suits your equipment capabilities, skills, costs and time constraints. Sadly, it seems some missed Shop Workflow Management Day at school (this is even taught at the School Of Hard Knocks). Maybe, if they watch enough of your past job episodes, they will catch up. I could say more, but I'll leave it there. Keep it up, Josh and thanks again for regularly bringing us into your shop. Nearly 98,000 of us apparently feel the same way. We'll see you next week. Cheers.
Thanks. Yes, there is more than one way to skin a cat. Lol. I think you're right about the naysayers not understanding shop workflow. It seems every complaint and suggestion would double production time, if not more. When I say Done Right The First Time, that means quickly, efficiently, a happy customer, a paycheck, and repeat work.
@@TopperMachineLLC Outstanding way to phrase it Josh......you are a service provider, not a manufacturer, and some viewers do not seem to know the difference...... A Happy Customer is the 'best advertising' you can get........ Until Next Week, Keep on Keeping On......PB
I couldn't have said it any better myself! There's always multiple ways of doing something. As long as the customer is happy and nothing gets torn up - that's all that matters!
Really love this type of content. This was a great example of how putting off quality issues until later can add time to work, and I don't mean that in a negative manner. We all need to learn through these lessons. Changing feeds/speeds on the second pass wouldn't have hurt anything, and potentially could have negated one or both of those last cleanup passes. I'm definitely putting that lesson in my brain pan. Thanks and keep up the great work!
Josh, don't pay attention to the miserable people that don't have a life, but hey haters make you money too. Im glad i found your channel. I watch Cutting Edge Engineering and You. I'm not a machinist, but everything you do looks great to me. Love your content. Another thing I joined your membership today. I don't expect it to be a poor choice.
Welcome aboard! The haters just make it miserable for everyone. I just remind myself that they are losers living in their mom's basement and have no life outside of bashing others.
@TopperMachineLLC Well said! Quite frankly, I can not understand why people respond like that. It makes no sense to me at all, just why would you do that? I understand people people making comments about how they may approach something in a different manner and how the end result might be, safer, faster, higher quality or cheaper. But to just denigrate someone's work???? Having said that, I have worked on a good number of plate heat exchangers over the years, many of them Alfa Lavals. But I cannot remember ever working on one where either the product or cooling medium came in direct contact with the end plate. All of them had a "blank" plate at each end, either stainless, titanium or inconel, so there was never an issue with the end plate corroding. I'd ask the customer if they have been assembled correctly.
@@TopperMachineLLC If people are complaining, they’re obviously giving you watch time and if I understand correctly, negative comments are still engagement and help the algorithm just as much as positive ones so haters are just helping the channel grow. 😂As long as you and the customer are happy with your work that’s all that really matters. Keep doing what you’re doing I think most of us appreciate the lack of fluff and BS. You just get it done and explain why you do what you do
@@adamcorey2811 thanks. But, you do have to admit, the haters gave a catchy intro. Lol.
Josh, I only hope that one day, with continued daily practice, that I can finally measure up to be as bad of a machinist as you are …… 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣. People….. you just got to ignore them and love ‘em them for the engagement algorithm bump. Thanks for keeping the chin up and not letting the basement dwellers bring you down. You’re “Topps” in my book. 👍😎👍
Don’t worry, the commenters that tell you the job was terrible are the same ones that don’t have the guts to put themselves out there. They love to hide behind the keyboard. The majority love the efforts you go to in sharing your craft. Keep it up.
Haters gonna hate Alternative methods are productive . Keep going.👍🏻👍🏻
Don’t worry about negative feedback, you seem to know what you are doing in your machine shop, carry on getting your videos out on your channel, they’re good to watch
The plate singing was pretty cool. That just means you have it all secured.
Josh I'm no machist but I think you do a great job and I really enjoy watching your videos people that don't enjoy your videos should watch something else they're not forced to watch them if you listen to comments about your work you probably would go nuts keep them coming for the ones that really enjoy watching them live me thanks for the activation for us
Thanks. But you have to admit, their complaints made a catchy intro.
The comments that start with "Have you tried this" or "I get good results this way" are worth reading, there are often little gems of genuine knowledge in there, the "You are doing it wrong" and the "You don't know what you are doing" brigade should go directly in the rubbish bin, there is nothing in there but bile, and they do not even merit a look.
Exactly right. And I do retain the good comments and suggestions. They help me grow.
Have you tried to tack weld bracket or something, to connect those angle plates. Another advantages to have steel made plates👍🏼
It turned out great again Josh, let them complain about your methods all day. All real machinest know that a scraper was only recently replaced by the mill. A scraper is very accurate and consistent in its cutting material. Still today I would rather have a lathe bed serviced by a scraper than a mill. The mill makes heat and vibrations the scraper doesn't. Keep up the good work and ignore idiots that have no idea what they are talking about.
Thanks for taking us along on this journey. It's very nice to see these old machines still in service and making money for you!
No better compliment than repeat work right? Thanks for taking the time to keep bringing cool content. I know it would be faster for you not to.
The videos sure add to the time to do the work. But I feel it is worth it.
When someone tells you that “you are doing it the wrong way”, quite often they are meaning you are doing it differently to how they would do it, so therefore it must be wrong! Enjoy the videos.. keep up the good work..
It is to bad that there are haters out there that want to put you down. You know your machine and you know your ability. Your work had to be good otherwise they would not have sent you more work. I love your videos. I know that the video alone takes a lot of time but you done a great job on both the video and the part. The part cleaned up real nice and it looks like most, if not all, of the pits are gone. Good to see you first thing in the morning.
Thanks.
They are just upset cause you're so darn good.
Hey Josh, I a retired fitter machinist, from what can see from your work I would certainly employ you tomorrow. You do good quality work and no supervision needed. Hard to find a man of your skill. All the best
Thanks 👍
That's great. You made it work, and the trolls are jealous. Lol
Thanks 👍
Nice. Looks great!
Fascinating, thank you!
Thanks for another great video!
Nice job Josh. Your angle plates really worked nice.👍 Thanks for sharing. Have a good weekend.
The work looks great! Thanks for your time.Always enjoy!
Great Video.....Thank You....
Great job Josh.
Thank you Josh!
Great work Josh.
thank you
Hanging or attaching a bag or sock full of sand or lead shot can help cutting down on resonant chatter - weird but it works.
That was something I was thinking about too. Adding mass where possible is a good way to dampen and/or spoil harmonics. Years ago I was working in a Suzuki motorcycle dealer shop and I noticed that Suzuki incorporated a heavy lead alloy weight plug inside the handlebar ends on some models specifically to control harmonics. Without the weights in place, a nerve tingling vibration would develop that would numb your hand after a while.
I like that burring tool. Thanks for the video.
Very nice... That HBM is awesome... The power in those machines is amazing. Cuts like warm butter. Thanks for the video...
Good point, many don't appreciate how much power or energy is required to remove metal, try using a Hammer and chisel to remove material 😉
Another great interesting video Josh. Enjoyed watching your big boring and facing mill working.
Good work! Looking forward to the work on the Baker
Another interesting educational video. Excellent job on the close and clear camera angles.
How dare people give you such nasty comments? They are armchair warriors who have never run a successful machine shop in their lives. If I can’t find anything positive to say then I won’t say anything at all. Personally, your channel is one of the mainstays of my weekend viewing. Thank you 👍 Cheers Mike
Thank you. Glad you like the channel.
Please make a 2 foot fly cutter for this machine! It would be so cool to see it being used on parts like this! Great content btw, Mr. Topper!
Already have one. Check out one of my older videos on the Mark Twain zephyr
@@TopperMachineLLC Nice! Can't beat a fly cutter finish. Throws chips like crazy though.
Agreed; your means and methods are yours and obviously work for you and your customers 👍🏻
Nicely done josh as usual 👍👍👍
Thanks 👍
That harmonic noise pattern was beautiful, it was sad to see the artwork go.
I don't think I ever did any shop work that I couldn't think of another way to do it. Time, equipment & tooling usually dictated how I did it. Thanks for taking us along and remember it's YOUR shop!
I enjoy your content and learn something new with each video. Please keep on doing things your way. Very respectfully, Patrick.
I always enjoy your videos. There is always going to be someone who is better at something and that goes for everything under the sun. Anyone who would be that critical of you is full of crap.
Josh your more of an expert machinist than most, kudos from Canada.
I bought one of those deburring / chamfering tools. It's bloody brilliant.
I love mine. But I go through guide bearings like crazy.
Great video, says so much about the unknown forces of machining, so hard to believe a piece that thick can vibrate, deflect that much! 👏👏 Enjoyed this video
Great video. Ive always found that my ears are one of the handiest tools for identifying if my cut is going well. Same goes for touching off the work. Great video, id love to get a small hbm some day.
Morning Josh, Love watching stuff on that Lucas HBM......the resonance you are experiencing is akin to a turning fork like thing.....I get it sometimes on my lathe when cutting a long taper on a barrel...best way to eliminate it Ive found, is by placing and having a large bag of sand or fine lead shot against the part....that seems to lessen that tuning fork effect....just pressure from it leaning is enough......use your own imagination in it....I might even drape a weight bag across those support angles to dampen itlike you did with your hand....the bigger the area you dampen with the bag the better the results.......and like you did...altering speeds and feeds helps too...... Bracing for the storm here....ughhhhhh....weather idiots are saying travel to be very difficult to impossible...hope they are wrong as usual....LOL GREAT VID............20 thumbs up Don
Josh, they're going to keep sending you those until you get it right! 🙂 LOL Turned out excellently and looked a lot more convincing than doing it on the planer. Thanks for another great video.
Lol. I hope this is the last one for a while.
hello Josh & it's is Randy and i like yours video is cool & Thanks Josh & Friends Randy
Great machining! love the manual machines , Hopefully i get to see you and your shop in july, Thank you from Glenpool Oklahoma
You are so close to your 100k subscribers 😎
Nice job. Ive found in the past removing half the inserts in those big face mills reduces the vribration greatly .
Happy Weekend Josh....best wishes from Florida, Paul..... love all your work where you 'Do It All Wrong'...... Because they sure come out 'Right the First Time, Everytime'
Thanks
Sorry I missed ICWeld repairs broken construction equipment in the field very tough to do he is very knowledgeable
sometimes vibration can make for the neatest surface finish. But we can’t give it to a customer like that. Never fails. You have to slow everything down and take forever to finish a job sometimes or at least it feels like it.👍
My dad was a machinist for a company that made gear units. He ran a large Giddings and Lewis as I recall. 12 foot bed. He machined raw housings, steel fabracated and cast. Some you could almost crawl into. Feet, centerline cross bores for pinion and ring gear shafts, flange retainers tapped holes for shaft bearing retainers. Nice watching what he did for living. He retired in 1978.
WOW!!!! THATS VERY GOOD WORK. In spite of all the negative comments, your a very good Machinist. I think the working your doing is excellent. Outstanding keep up the damn good work.
I watch quite a few machining channels Josh, including yours & CEE, Keith Rucker, Max Grant, Marty’s Workshop etc and enjoy all of them. You all do different jobs in different ways, so the learning opportunities are all worthwhile. Keep up the great content. 👍👍👍🇦🇺
Great to see more non automated machining Now I know true meaning of cnc, Could Not Compete. Thanks for taking the time to make these videos.
Josh, you are a great machinist. Stop listening to all the haters on the internet, I apreciate your work and i want to thank you for sharing your work here on youtube
Just ignore those silly comments. It's really odd, but some folks get joy out of being negative toward others. The vast majority of the time they have no experience with that they're complaining about anyways. For the other 99% of us, thanks for posting all the cool stuff you do. I've learned a lot from you and really enjoy your videos.
Love watching your videos And someone that loves doing the work. That's a quality not found too much today. Used to be a PM in a fab/machine shop. The younger worker's just watched the clock all day. Didn't have pride in their work like the older generation. It was all terrible that they had to work. Rather be at home getting a gov handout.
I have this same problem with Conner. All day long he comments on what time it is. I always respond with, "what's your point, work isn't done yet". I'm slowly breaking him of that.
I think that there is no right way or wrong way it's your way, I admire all the work you do and anybody that criticizes are just a waste of space. Great to watch.
Satisfying watching that big face mill throw chips.
That plate was eat up pretty good.good job saving it.
18:40, when I try to get that look, it is really hard, I am trying to give an 'Artistic Look' to the furniture parts I make, all I get is nice smooth surfaces....ha.... the problem of making art compared to making smooth surfaces.... and when I need something smooth, I get the art look..... great video Josh......I have just watched the original plate smoothing of the 1st plate a few days ago and the angle plate smoothing/truing a few days ago, so every thing was fresh in this old brain... I really love and envy your Horizontal Boring Mill..... What a wonderful machine.... Best Wishes, PB
Josh, your a fantastic machinist! Funny how the Monday morning keyboard haters come out with comments without knowing the facts. Thank you for what you do!
ooooh I could make some one a really nice anvil shaped object with one of those ...cracking finish, those angle plates are coming in really handy
For the work piece application (plate support) your resultant surface finish is absolutely fine. Even the finish at 17:28 would have been fine, especially after a coat of paint. The surface just needs to be flat which it now is. When these heat exchangers are properly assembled system fluids never come into contact with the steel frame plates.
The keyboard wimps, certainly no "Warriors", the "Romantic " machinist, engineer, mechanic, it can be done by a time served artisan who spent 20 years under the original designer/Engineer, whose family worked on their land for generations. Every surface must be surface, or cylindrical ground, micro lapped, scraped to 5 thousand points per square inch, and waxed. The "Classic" Machinist, Engineer, Mechanic, is skilled, reads the drawing or print, and makes it "Fit For Purpose". Customer receives the service they "Need", and at the correct price. Another great job shop project. Thanks for sharing.
really grinds my gears when people make unqualified comments about which they no practically sod all, myofb I say to them, JT knows what his customers need keep at it Josh, love watching you work, mostly because it means I don't have to do it hahaha! all the best Dave
Thanks. There is a lot I don't tell in a video, so you're right, I know what my customer needs/wants.
Nice job the company that I work for builds those plate exchanges. I have seen that gasket surface out of flatness and they still work. Pretty thick gasket that go on them and when they tighten them down they are pretty forgiving. Just as long as they seal up when you go to hydro them
Like someone told me, there is more than 1 way to do things. All it matter is that at the end, they end the same.
"I did such a horrible job on it... that they gave me another one to do" LOL. Well played Josh.
I was half expecting a "josh topper" 2 foot fly cutter to make an appearance for the final pass! It came out really nice, I really enjoy watching you work through how to do a job and improve your process over time as you have done between the first and second of these units.
It hadn't occurred to me to use it until I was done. LOL
That project is a perfect candidate for a Blanchard grinder. .
Find me one in this region that can handle the size
@TopperMachineLLC I wasn't complaining. I ran one of those hbm before but I rode on a platform with the head..
@@blitzkrueg07 Whoa! That must be a huge machine. It never occurred to me that the operator may be running the machine from a station like an excavator or tractor.
I work at anasme shop. I'm a self taught lather. We make the round type. The disc is cut 1/8" larger and I turn it down. I then face it. I flip it over and do the same except I put a gasket surface on it. Afterwards I drill usually 5/8" holes and ream them. 010. Not difficult at all. There are 6 1/4" holes so that the alignment rods can do their job. I hate rolling the tube ends though
Josh haters are going to hate. And hove no clue how to do what us Machinist/fabricators do everyday to get the job done. Stay strong my friend
Josh nice set up and end result just shows to play around with different speeds and feed rate that job looks silkie smooth to me as for the naysayers don't worry at least it's a comment and it goes towards the tally of comments more for you in the end so bring them on i say you will never please all of us out here but more positive than negative is all that matters i know some comments cut a bit deep reason i don't say much or post anything not that my jobs would hold a candle to what you do and have taught me along the way keep them coming as i learn from watching you and others it's like some like this one chap called A BOM i have learned he is not such a nice person and could not be bothered with him anymore he is all for the dollars now any way Josh Cheers Mate
I can't wait for the steam engine video's
I am looking at an old school machinist who seems to know what he is about. Don't see anything to criticize about your work. I have a family member that was well known for his classic hot rods and antique car restorations. You are showing a similar attention to detail.
Hello Josh, why do you worry so much about the gentlemen know-it-alls? Your appreciative audience is everyone else! Where there is planing, chips fall. That's the way it was, it is, and it always will be. Only someone who doesn't do anything doesn't make mistakes, but I haven't seen many of you yet. So keep up the good work and skip the comments of all the gentlemen know-it-alls. Viele Grüße Martin 🙂
I don't worry, but I used that to make a catchy intro. Kind of a screw you to them and a funny intro for everyone else.
I did a little reading on cutter head harmonics and everything that I saw suggested is exactly what you were doing. I understand a tiny bit about harmonics and what causes it, in general. Likewise, I am wondering if (if they existed) would using a cutter with an odd number of inserts unevenly spaced (like three on one side and two on the other side) would interrupt the harmonics.
In a prior post the boring mill my dad ran my have been a Devlieg, not a Giddings and Lewis. Just thought I would update.
Thank You for the video, you have a great deal of support, as you know. There are losers everywhere, ignore.
Remember to put "horrible job 1" and "horrible job 2" in the bank deposit notes field, it will give you a chuckle every time you think about it.
That's funny.
Josh, I am just a hobby machinist, but I have watched enough professionals (including my friends) to know that you are not only a good machinist, but a highly practical one as well. And that is what it takes to run a business. Just ignore the folks out there that love to criticize but would never put their work out on display like you do. In many ways, you are a far better machinist than they will ever be!
Thanks. I thought their comments were amusing and I just had to throw it right back at them with that intro. If I was doing something that terribly wrong, I wouldn't be the last shop in my area.
Looking forward to the upcoming steam engine projects!! 😎
You and me both!
Josh, I have noticed that guys sitting on the couch, beers in hand, can always play a better game than the guys on the field! Don't worry about negative comments!
Josh, do you think placing some bags of lead shot between your angle plates and against the back of the filter plate would help deaden the harmonic vibrations? I like the different solutions you use to accomplish all these varied jobs.
I have an idea for a simple interim solution before you add stiffener plates. I guess you would need to do an inspection on the part to determine if the vibration is caused by pushback flex of the angle plate or side to side flex. Either way a bar in between the centre of gussets and a long bar clamp would reduce their ability to move. Adding a pair angle plates to the side like you did when milling the large angles should take the side flex out. You could even add a jack between the bar and plate to support the top centre. Awesome work as always!
We have a similar machine and similar angle plates we use regularly to do a lot of plate work for our steel mill. We mounted 2 thick 8 long 5 wide steel plates with a matching piece of staked conveyer belt. Basically steel brick, rubber brick, rear gusst, rubber brick , steel brick all through bolted. Eats up almost all vibration. We did turn nylon bushing to keep the through bolts from touching the gusset. You can smack this set up with a hammer and grt nothing but a thud. No ring whatsoeve. Lets us run speeds and feeds that are obnoxious.
Another great video brother! The more haters you have means you’re doing something right 💪🏻 keep on keeping on.
We had 2 big end plates for our refrigeration system done 2 years ago almost like that one your doing
It looks like you know what you’re doing.
People are jealous. Ignore them. Your videos have expanded my knowledge. Thanks
Thank you, I will
By the way I have a couple of those heat exchanger end plates laying around I'm not sure if mine are quite as big as that set. I use them for waiting stuff down and securing things. I can barely pick them up