Don't call it a mouse... - Lunar Artefacts Pointer Instrument
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Mouse enthusiast and future CEO David is here to check out another mou- sorry, I mean "Pointer Instrument" today, and this one looks bougie. With French calf leather and a brass bottom, is this a go-to mouse for the elite or is it just too much aesthetics for one person to handle?
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CHAPTERS
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0:00 Aesthetics are important, right?
0:36 Checking out the mousepad
1:18 Mouse unboxing/design/ergonomic impressions
6:24 Sensor specs, buttons, and repairability
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10:19 DPI options and thoughts on weight
11:50 Playing DOOM Eternal
12:30 Teardown
14:10 Pricing, alternatives, and overall thoughts
15:48 Outro
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probably not
Dude... That is a top notch crappy mouse. WTF are you thinking? It has leather on it... LMAO
What are they gunna do next? Hand Sarah butt a webcam?😂
I think this is for most purposes the modern version of the classic gold plated "Executive Pen holder" that was a popular gift item and/or fancy office accessory in the 1920-60's until Office PCs took over the main use of the desktop in a workplace. You could give one of these mice as a gift for an employee who had "Earned that corner office" or had moved up in the company.
Only if you could try one in hand first AND liked that leather and brass sort of steampunk style - if it fits your hand and feels nice to you, well why not? (Other than the price)
I would love to see Linus put through a premium "aesthetics" based gamer build, where things look nice but are actually horrible.
Take the case to a blacksmith 😂
"The Executive Gamer" build.
And make sure, he doesn't cheat and buys a Mac.
@@5Andysalive Buy a Mac, get it dBrandified to twelve, and force it to run Windows 11 outside of a virtual machine environment.
That’s a good idea 😂
The easy disassembly was more impressive than anything else about this mouse.
Check the plastic one out!
Yeah why do mouse makers insist on putting screws under the teflon feet? It's so annoying, you warp the feet and the glue gives up at some point.
@@KriLL325783 Simply to make sure the user isn't opening it to possibly repair it. If you are taking off the mouse feet, you are more or less damaging them and without perfectly intact mouse feet the mouse becomes pretty much unuseably. It's all intentional.
That immediately makes it more impressive than any mouse that exists.
The only aspect of this "pointer device" I genuinely like
"A dead fish that kinda feels like you're pushing up a hill." "It feels more like the gentle whisper of a click in your ear... on a cool summer day." Someone upvote David for being able to articulate his experience in ways nobody can interpret. Love this unboxing.
Ahahaha
I'd honestly like to see the gaming peripheral experts mod the ever living hell out of this and making it a real no compromise mouse with immense cuban cigar smoking swagger
that would be cool as fuck
the moment i saw the mouse in the picture it reminded me of the very old razer boomslang i had, the shape and all I think if you were to rejig this into something usable, you could probably dremel out the aluminum option for weight savings and then swap in a g305 pcb with some nice switches Would be a pretty baller mouse after all the mods
Knowing the current state of gaming mice enthusiasts, it would probably be filled with holes, and its battery replaced with a button cell
@@lillee4207 i cant believe youtube let you say cool
And probably somehow make it cheaper
"The people we're going to eat in a couple years" Top tier remark, 10/10
extremely based
repairable and use of mixed materials is cool, I'd love more tech experimenting with it. Too bad they chose to not use quality components, just make it truly premium and make it have the best components at the same time.
Seems like the electronics are as good as they need to be to me, and the rest is hard to argue isn't 'quality', could it be a little more premium sure, but then the Apple mouse could have a charging port in a less stupid place - that is a much bigger flaw in a 'premium product'. Though the price seems rather bonkers to spend on a mouse, even if it is rather pretty. As a mouse is relatively personal a thing when you start seeking your ideal gaming mouse so no matter what they put in it would be the wrong choice for somebody, and as the tracking was reportedly good that is really the big one on being a quality mouse, as the button weight and scroll feel are all about personal preference. Plus there really isn't much point in trying to make a nice solid and good looking all rounder mouse into something as sensitive and snappy as your gaming mouse - most folks want a gaming mouse that weighs nothing with heaps of extra buttons that would really spoil the looks. (though personally I've always actually preferred a heavier mouse - if its too light it just feels wrong, I want it to have some inertia and it doesn't want to stay on the desk properly when it is too light - or probably more accurately it is too light so I can't easily feel if it ever starts coming off the desk unintentionally)
This guy should have instantly recognized this as a Razor Boomslang Knock-off. I bet the company is some fly-by-night no-name that's trying to resell that horrible design under the banner of 'premium'.
I don’t really see the need for quality components. Don’t get me wrong, this mouse seems terrible to me but for what you’d be using it for the specs are fine and so is the dpi. Which is weird he brought up other mice go up to 20 or 30k, as if anybody actually uses that high lol. I get people have preferences, but if you’re using anything above 3000 you’re just not great at games or have no clue what you’re doing.
@@foldionepapyrus3441 From the video, the scroll wheel and the glide pads seem both pretty cheap. Personal preference is all well and good, but a bad scroll wheel is a bad scroll wheel. I agree with you on preferring a heavier mouse, but even from that perspective my MX Master seems to be a much more all around "premium" product than this thing.
I'm more concerned about the reliability of these things. I've had Gaming or Professional mice from Logitech which started developing a double click issue, sometimes after a couple of years, sometimes within six months. I've tried corsair and Razer as well but those have developed a double clicking issue as well. It might be because I live in a fairly dry place where a lot of static develops (e.g. just walking over a carpet and touching a metal doorknob is enough to immediately cause a small shock) but then device makers need to start taking this into account.
Why is it built like a shoe 😂
lol fr
what kind of shoes do you wear???
So you can throw your money away in their direction.
What is a hand, but a slightly more dexterous foot.
shoes? you mean walking instruments?
The irony about this product is those who can afford it will never bother to replace any parts that go bad.
Yup
I really feel like it misunderstands its target demographic a lot. I don't think they will sell very many at all. Obviously subjective, but it doesn't even have good visual design. I could go for a leather mouse but it needs to have a luxurious ergonomics and look actually sexy. I'd expect it to cost a good 5x the cost of this mouse and have good parts inside. Also, why does it have such a cheap looking base?
@@it-s-a-mystery yeah, it looks awful. It's too heavy, too much cost for the terrible insides, and wtf is that scrollwheel.
@@it-s-a-mysteryAnd it's not gold plated so it can't even capture the Trump loyalist base…
I’ve seen this advertised all over Instagram. Doesn’t breed a lot of confidence lol
Yeah, influencer marketing immediately sets off red flags in my head about a brand.
Yup. They clearly spend far more on marketing than product development. Hence this video.
It's a quasi fraudulent company. ShortCircuit again doing a disservice to the community by reviewing crappy products like this one.
@@bernhardt1557 The point of reviewing is so you don't fall for the scam. People who find out about this product and buy it on a whim will be FAR more disappointed than people who watch the video and see how crappy the actual mouse is. NOT reviewing would be a disservice to the audience; you can't just review things you like and ignore things you don't.
@@Naokarma Your comment would make sense if they tried to put at least some effort on calling those companies by their true names. At best, they'll say: "oh, buy it only if you really care about X" instead of "don't buy this evidently fraudulent cashgrab that makes use of shady marketing strategies to sell their products" (much like 90% of their sponsors...)
I think the best thing about this channel is that different staff members host depending on the product. Plouffe tends to do keyboards and monitors, David does mice, Colton does chairs, Alex does cars, etc.
They should've made it with real mouse hide!
LMFAO, I want to see that!
Not to be all "no fun at parties", but real mice are quite small; you would need to stitch several together, and even then, their skin is so thin it would wear out rapidly. A rat now, that could work. Keep the fur like a sheepskin rug, have a nice warm place for your hand!
@@FragFrog01 party pooper😂
So maybe you need 500-600 mice per mouse? Layer them up. Spare no expense.
@@FragFrog01 even better
It's got a really steampunk vibe, and the performance is amazing for the 1890s.
"You know the people we are going to eat in a couple years" quote of the year 2023
Quote of the year by Champaign socialists
As pretty as I think the aluminum one is, not having a back button is a deal breaker even for just "work".
plus they could have made a sensitive metal back button...
Side back and foward buttons are the thing i never thought i needed until i used it and became the primary requirement for any mouse... I know its a fairly common feature now a days but back in the day it was a luxury
It's funny. I've gone from single button mice to at the most something like twenty buttons, and then down to seven buttons, three of which I actually use. I remember the first time I used a mouse with back and forward buttons, and I loved it. Then I used a browser that supported gestures and rocker action and I never used the two side buttons again for that. Now even when playing games I can't be bothered to use the side buttons. Something I actually miss though is the mouse wheel tilt. That was a thing back in early 2K, but fell out of fashion within five years, and now very few new mice support this. Some time before the mouse wheel became a thing I got hooked on a Logitech mouse with three buttons. I actually changed my grip to holding the mouse with three fingers on the buttons. It was hard to retrain for that, but is was great in games like Mech Warrior 2. So that was in 95 or 96. However with the mouse wheel I regressed to a grip with only two fingers on the buttons again. Sometimes I wish I hadn't done that as it would be quite useful in some games. and if the mouse wheel tilt was still a thing it could make things even better. Some games used to support that for leaning around cover and such.
@@blahorgaslisk7763 The g502 has wheel tilt, unless I misunderstand what you mean? It's just a normal programmable button, so it can be used for leaning in such games. I use it for just that purpose in Siege.
ngl, the back button is far more annoying than useful, to me. I hit them by accident when cleaning than I do actually press them. Not to mention there's never a time in which I can't just press the back button on the page, rather than the mouse, meaning I never feel the need to use that button. SOMETIMES, a game will allow for mapping to those buttons, but even that feels frustratingly rare among the games I play, so I tend to forget they're there.
If you want people to laugh at you and bully you, you should definitely buy this.
I actually need this type of mouse because the top shell and wheel are replaceable. Internal electronics leave a lot to be desired, but it is fixable at least. I have tourette's so mine gets an absolute beating daily.
Having nice things gets you bullied? Or do you just not have nice things? :) It's for looks, to sit on an executive's desk.
@@AnadonAeroheart Good luck swapping those parts out with Tourette's. Not to mention, you can buy like 6 g305's for that price and each one will last longer than this POS. As mentioned in the video, this mouse is for looks only, there is zero functionality in it that surpasses most $20 mice off the shelf of Walmart.
@Flying Tentacle tried them. Few weeks a piece. They're designing a one-off top for me that will be considerably more durable. In the last year alone I've gone through like 9 MX Master S3's so In desperate for anything actually durable.
weird way of saying you are broke but whatever...
Im the type of friend that will, for the rest of your life, say “Nice Mouse boots bud” every single time I see them use it 😂
cowboy gaming
"Feels more like the gentle whisper of a click in your ear on a cool summer day" is definitely how I imagine someone who actually buys this mouse would describe the scroll wheel. Well said David.
David has some opinions about the rich, and I agree
"...like a dead fish that you're pushing up a hill." That's an awfully specific comparison. Is everything okay, David?
The shape of this made me think of the Razer Boomslang (when watched from above).
That mouse is not fun to hold
@@Voidkitty_ That is my memory of it too. I think I have it in the attic somewhere. I should try it again 😄
@@Voidkitty_ I had the optical re-issue and actually loved the shape. Meanwhile my current Logitech G Pro is my worst mouse shape ever.
Yeah, that's what I thought. They definitely copied that old thing lmao.
I love that absolutely no punches were pulled about the target customer 😂
This would go well with a full Noctua build.
i'd love to see a second iteration of this. they should sell the mouse mat separately as an accessory and have it available with different sizes up to XL. the grip should be leather. the mouse sensor should be higher end and the skates should be glass. there should also be a bottle of brasso in the box
First of all: David rules! we need more videos with him. Second: he is being waaaay too nice to this joke of a mouse. who even buys stuff like this?.. I thought these kind of products went away in 2000s, but they surely didn't...
I mean it fills a niche, and it at least isn't actual garbage. Though that scroll wheel looks pretty close... Just a bummer they didn't go with a better sensor so you aren't giving up as much.
Okay hear me out, take a great gaming wireless mouse gut it, 3d metal print a bottom half (to keep the same high end feel), then print the upper in plastic as the middle layer add leather and make a proper gaming version of it XD
Upmarket the mod job to $999 with a Kickstarter early-bird price of $499, limited to 100 numbered units _total_
I love the brown and brass/gold look. That’s basically my entire look. But a mouse is a practical thing. You don’t wear it, you use it. So paying that premium to get less functionality doesn’t make sense to me.
@@Elatenl or you know, you just pick the look you like and don’t care about what it represents or how others perceive you. It’s dumb to judge others by their style.
@@Elatenl hardstyle is net zo cringe tjappie. Maar dat boeit allemaal niet. Gewoon lekker doen waar je zin in hebt. Mensen in hokjes duwen voegt niks toe
Well, to be honest, the only time that mouse will see that many Inches/sec is if it's being thrown across the conference room when the Boss gets angry.
Accurate 😂
I wonder if the internals of that thing was made by Logitech? The available dpi settings are quite common in their darkfield mice.
Wouldn't be surprised. The bottom looks exactly like an old Bluetooth logitech mouse I had just with an added dpi button
Gotta love the jokes David put there to mock the rich. Salute, comrade!
The grip's indeed 3D printed nylon, possibly SLS, which is why it's only available in black or grey. I think using fine layers of CF-nylon in FDM would probably improve the quality.
"A dead fish that you're pushing up a hill" sounds like a pretty apt description of that scroll wheel. Credit where it's due, seeing an 'aesthetics focused' brand acknowledging that tech products actually need to be able to be repaired is awesome, so good job there. Just for the love of trackballs, knurl that scroll wheel. I'm sure you can figure out a way to make it look fancy while not being horrible to use.
It looks expensive, but is bad to use? That suggests to me its aimed at the receptionist at upmarket establishments, like car dealerships etc.
Wow! I actually built a custom brown leather case for my PC so this mouse and pad will go perfectly in my trashcan!
I love David, I've not been watching as many LMG vids recently (not for anything they did I'm just not as into tech as I have been in the past) but I watched a video on a whim recently and loved David so much it got me back into the channel!
They didn't even claim it's a computer mouse, it's a 'pointer instrument'. Advertised as a timeless design, with the chance to evolve and develop character over time, treated as a bespoke architectural project. It'll look nice on a shelf as a 250 USD conversational piece.
I agree with some of the other comments: while the stock electronics are abysmal on price-to-performance, this has the potential to be a tinkerer's _dream._ With its focus on easy repairability and the maker readily offering (even if marked-up) replacement components - neither of which you often see for a mouse - and that brass/leather shell that'll uniquely patina over time, I gotta give props to how Lunar Instruments honestly seems to take their "you'll never buy another mouse again" mantra seriously. If anything, this seems to be more of a fancy shell first and foremost, with just some basic electronics so that it works of the box and will be adequate enough for desktop use by a wealthy non-enthusiast who just likes the aesthetic - and yeah, those luxury materials do look genuinely high-quality, so it's not like they're just slapping their brand on some cheap white-label Chinese peripheral. But the real potential of this thing is gonna come from enthusiasts taking it apart and modding beastly components into it and then just continuing to upgrade it over the years as better technologies become available. It's not perfect - I don't know what you can do to improve that scroll wheel or add side buttons without damaging the nice brass and leather - but I expected to laugh at this like that Tommy Hilfiger gaming set or those Louis Vuitton earbuds, and yet... congrats, Lunar Instruments. I don't hate it. Interesting first attempt, would love to see the concept refined.
I love the repairability, and the cost isn't even that bothersome, but there's no way I'm dropping that kind of money for what's essentially a very polished brass turd. I'm also never going to give up my "forward/ back" buttons on my mouse
Is it good or bad that I was looking at David's shirt more than the mouse?
David's commentary is incredible, great video
When I first saw this mouse, I was hoping that the little winglets next to the buttons could've had some ergonomic use. They almost look like you can rest your fingers on them with a more relaxed grip and that they're large enough for your thumb and ring finger to sit under them, for lifting via interference rather than lifting via pinching. I don't know what it is, but this feels like a modified Logitech mouse. The shapes of the plastics, how the top cover can just pop off like that, the dongle and cable, etc. Maybe it's heavily based on a Logi travel mouse, although I'm not sure if any Logi mice disassemble in such a way that the side grip comes off in a shell like this. It just feels like a recycled design, though I guess that'd be in-line with some of their views. This is good inspiration for upgrading a mouse via mods, though. I also looked through their site. There's a couple of translucent plastic and powder coated aluminum mice for $150. For $230 there's the two leather choices, brown and black, but on a polished aluminum base. Though I did come across something interesting, the Pro Grip, though there's next to no information on it, though it seems like the mouse can be expanded on via its USB port, again no details on how they're accomplishing this; I have a feeling it's an I2C device using the unused pins that oppose the 2.0 pins on the type C port, that way it still works as a singular device but becomes modular.
It feels like people will take any product, make it out of the most premium material possible, give it an obnoxious name, and mark it up 900%.
I like this guy, his demeanor and that he doesn't "dismissively throw" the items on the table like others. Really hate when the reviewers handle items like they're pieces of cardboard. Hope to see him handle more reviews, had not seen him before.
They could have made that grip thing in a carbon look at least Yeah great design but everything else is compromised but the repairability is a great should be in more modells
It definitely looks nice, but they should’ve gone for a more premium sensor if they wanted to be a premium mouse.
A E S T H E T I C S
yeah it's almost as if companies want to sell you luxury feeling products that are actually shit for an over the top price.
I've had one for half a year. Metal feels a lot better than plastic for long term use especially in the summer. The sensor will drift on mouse pads that have art on them but it's fine on solid colors. I definitely have a separate mouse for gaming. I do find that I am able to feel feedback from the scroll wheel now, but it took some getting used to.
The mouse has the wisps of the classic Razer Boomslang mouse.
Dude... Your strongman competition reference is hilarious lol I love you, man. 😂
"Just pressed to look more premium than it is." That perfectly describes every single aspect of this product. Gross. It doesn't do the thing it's designed to do because... aesthetics.
My first thought when I saw it was. "I likes armadillos" Armadillos, smooth on the inside crunchy on the outside.
I honestly want more tech stuff that focuses at least more on aesthetics than usual but this isn't it. The only category that I can think of with nice aesthetics for a reasonable mark up and a lot of choice in the pc space are mechanical keyboards.
i imagine all the people that would use something like this have clammy hands, clammy hands + leather = m o i s t
Mousewheel encoders aren't hard to replace, if i was in the market for a mouse that weighs as much as i do I'd probably replace it with a ttc gold encoder based on your description
the closest thing a mouse will ever get to a mouse thanks to the leather
Finally did the 3 Govee Hexa Pro lights like the ShortCircuit logo. Been waiting for it.
Watching this made me realize that framework should make a mouse. They could make something like a much more repairable naga pro with modular side plates.
All of Linus’ employees are slowly starting to look like him and it worries me
As someone who doesn't game in a way that mouse weight really matters and loves the aesthetic of metal and leather, I would love to have a metal and leather actually good gaming mouse... I might be making a copper and leather top mouse shell for a gaming mouse at some point cuz that sounds amazing
Do you game in a way where being a good mouse comes into play?
@@gsoma4022 I mean precision probably doesn't matter much to be perfectly honest nor does speed but like mouse wheel feel and button feel and such matter. And with flawless mouse sensors being in like a huge number of mice, even for a fairly small budget, there's no reason not to have a flawless sensor. And basically any budget gaming mouse is better than this one unfortunately. Also I change my dpi pretty often while playing so the dpi button being on the bottom wouldn't work out
"the gentle whisper of a click in your ear on a cool summer day" I'll try that on the good lady, wish me luck!
I think this review goes to show that no matter how good something is at repairability...we still don't put that much weight behind it unless it's also good and worth the cost ASWELL as being good to repair.
That's a mouse fit for a twice impeached president.
I use an MX Vertical every day and I think it looks pretty nice. It is gray with what looking like an anodized aluminum plate on the top.
"The gentle whisper of a click on a clear summer day"
Good job, person (Oliver?) who put the background scream in at the 7:26 'abuse your workers'.:)
Interestingly I personally know the guy who created this mouse… he also made the latest furby model. I took his wedding photos a while back.
Why do I feel like you lie, a lot?
@@frankwilliams4445 i mean out of all the lies to tell this one is a pretty boring one to choose xD
@@a3-radio I once knew a guy who lied about having a gall bladder surgery for no reason. We were like 15 and hanging out when he randomly said that. He would lie about literally anything and everything. Some people just can't help it.
Looks pretty amazing, but any premium product needs to perform not just in aesthetics, but also in quality and functionality departments, and that requires top of the line components to go with the top of the line materials, especially at such a high price point.
I like that David waved his hand the wrong way to spell anesthetics and the editor just went with it
Really appreciated the editing for the snack for later😂
From the top it looks just like the Razer Boomslang, and for someone with big hands, the Boomslang has the best shape of all the mice i have tested over the years and is still to this day my daily driver (Razer Boomslang CE 2007).
Build character, otherwise known as it doesn’t last very long. 2:46
14:50 "[it doesn't] have a Gamer-y look to it" Exept the shape, taken straight from the Razer Boomslang (their first mouse, released in 1999) 😅
would love to see labs test this 😂
Mount it above your virtual fireplace for a story with your grand children in VR someday
If you ever wanted to play your games with a dress shoe this is the mouse for you.
I see ads for this thing freaking EVERYWHERE.
I see David with leather, I click.
'Equestrian inspired stitching' is the most hilarious way ive ever heard someone try and hype the concept of standard leathermakers saddle stitch. Theyre not wrong but my god theyre scraping the barrel.
I got the plastic one for like 120 and felt it was a decent value for an everyday work-use mouse that I could easily repair
I'm more concerned how Linus has such an issue with ewaste, but the only way to get calf leather..... Yeah.
I don’t want to use that thing for 10 minutes, much less the rest of my life. There’s a name for eternal torture and it’s called hell. This mouse is hell.
I've seen this before, and it's just weird. Yeah, it looks cool, but it's basically the jewelry equivalent of a mouse.
Dunno if you're doing suggestions, but a gaming mouse called the Swiftpoint Z2 is coming in a few months. Y'all did the original z1 a while back and it's a big upgrafe
New SC set really working
That "pointer instrument" looks like it should come with bull horns on the side, screaming YEHAW when you turn it on 🤣
This looks like something that came out in the early 2000s
This reminder me of Barbosa s scene where he is listening to chamber music
Money can't buy taste. This is a prime example of that
I, for one, look forward to eating the rich. And, in this case, stealing their overprice mouse at the same time.
Lacking forward and back buttons is an automatic no for me. I use them all the time and not having them makes for such a frustrating experience. Personally I love the G502 (I know I'm super basic) because of the extra buttons and the ability for the g-shift button to rebind all of them for my most common functions (I have copy, paste, find, etc. all bound to different buttons)
I have a blanket my mom and brother made me with the same print as your shirt, except the sharks are multi-color. Lol!
I got your pointer instrument right here
I feel like I am the target audience for this. I do like the look of it a lot, and the idea of using it for a long time and it getting distressed is fantastic. But I also would want it to be insanely high end in terms of performance. Not because of me needing such a high performance mouse, but because if you are going to have an insane mouse, it should be insanely performant as well.
I love the idea of a leather mouse too
Love David as a presenter! Keep the great videos coming
The person this is designed for isn't type of person who would repair it. They'd just buy a replacement
I think what they should do is a collab with logitech on their MX Master mice. Specs of the MX Master, but Lunar Artefacts aesthetic.
I feel like sweaty hands people would hate this scroll wheel even more, given it's lack of any form of traction
Really pretty paper weight or desk ornament.
A dead calf's skin resting under my hand, wow. Sad to hear that is what people think luxury feels like.
Would probably buy and use if it had an adequate sensor and build quality for the price.
This is the mouse I imagine Video game execs use to click send on the email ordering the game to release half-finished.