EP110 - NEVER charge the Outlander PHEV! Is it a good hybrid-only car?
2018 ж. 20 Там.
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I wanted to test something different but...failed. So, here I go on my journey with an empty battery and see how the fuel economy is when the car is not been charged at all.
I compared the efficiency to the 2L petrol Outlander:
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Really cool video! Thank you! Especially for your explanations at the end of the video.
Made 264km on motorways over the Swiss Alps. Started with empty battery. Then loaded full. Made 42 km on motorways with 120 kmh average. Then up to the Gothard tunnel to Lugano. Put 15L petrol at the end. Average consumption 4.9L/100km. Great car. silent, comfortable, spacious.
Wow. What about city driving?
@@Charlieczek I had 54km on display in the morning and I think I'm the city you can reach this. My drive was all motorway, at around 120kmh and over the alps. The car is silent, and a practical allrounder family car.
@@amministrazioneimmobili3638 Thanks. You have first model or new one?
@@Charlieczek I drove the 2.4 liter model, the new one.
How you calculate that... 42 km with 15l ... cuz you write you made 264 and then fills up...
Hey Andy thanks for all your informative videos, I have really enjoyed watching them. Unfortunately where we are living in Lithuania I have decided it is just not feasible to buy a PHEV due to lack of charging points. Ive just bought a 2012 Mazda CX5, obviously not my ideal green car but pretty good fuel economy. Keep up the good work. All the best Graham.
Thank you very much for your feedback, Graham. Must be a similar situation as here in Australia where we don't have enough charging stations either. I charge mostly at home anyway (95%) and drive the car as a hybrid when no plug is available. All the best and thanks for watching.
positive vibe, love it! :)
Hi Andy, nice video, thanks. I have one unrelated question, your turn signal tone sounds different to my 2018 outlander phev. Is your turn signal tone standard ?
Soo what s the fuel consumation for the outlander you ve got?Thanks Andy!
That was a great test Andy, thank you. So we can see there is not much savings using Hybrid Mode while doing highway speeds. Where Hybrid Mode does better is during city driving. I hope to test this later this winter when the Engine needs to run to keep me warm.
If you don't plugin this car, there is absolutely now saving at all. The opposite in fact; the fuel economy is worse than in a normal Outlander and on top the car is far more expensive to buy.
this is not true - the normal gasoline Outlander AWD V6 is using 10-11l/100km. You can't compare to diesel as diesel will do much worse on short distances in the city. You need to compare gas to gas and similar power engine.
Petrol Outlander uses 7.0l/100km as stated in my video: www.mitsubishi-motors.com.au/vehicles/outlander/specifications/m1/ZL1M45
Andreas, you are comparing to 4 cylinder 2WD with manual transmission. I'm comparing to AWD V6 with automatic transmission which is rated at 22MPG by EPA www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=39688 . You need to compare apple to apple not to orange.
But you said I need to compare it with the same class of motor. Now you want me to compare the 2L PHEV engine with a V6?! I compared a 2.0L engine with another 2.0L engine for the same vehicle to make it fair and equal. You need to get your apples right, mate :D
Great Video - I'm getting 50-55 miles of range per charge on my 2023 could not be happier - by the way PHEV Watchdog does not work on 23 models any ideas of another source? I'm using Car Scanner for now it gives me engine RPM, Temperature, HV Batt , 12 volt batt, etc. Mike
Well, I went and did it. The US doesn't get the bigger battery and motor for the 2019 MY, so I just plunked down for a 2018 GT. I've taken one for a test drive and it's eerie quiet and seemed to go quite well. I will be looking for all the gadgets, gizmos and suggestions on what to do/set up with the PHEV, thus wiping out any actual savings from driving in EV mode... I hope to get the car this Saturday. Wish me luck.
Great to hear, Dave and congrats! Make sure you charge it everywhere you can, use the Plugshare app to find public chargers and make the most of this car.
A bought a 2019 GT a few months ago. So far I am happy with if not counting some random creaks coming seemingly from the center console. What do you think about your car 2 years later?
@@unitedwestand56 I traded the car back in March when I left NY. Other than the BMS issue I mostly liked it. No odd creaks that I remember but some really annoying design decisions.
@@davemckewan4450 I appreciate your response, Dave. Thank you. I keep reading about this battery degradation issue, but based on my own short term experience with this vehicle over the last several months I haven't noticed any difference in my electric range. So far I had around 60 charges. I have to agree with you on interior ergonomics - most of the dashboard design is not very intuitive to use. In any case, be well and take care.
I was curious to buy a newer Outlander and convert it to a "normal" hybrid. Do you think it would be possible to remove a few battery modules to reduce some weight? And use it as a normal hybrid without plugging it in? I've seen a few people who added some battery modules. But nobody removed them actually. Thanks for your videos
Hey. Did you find out if this is possible?
@@brandoncarr441 Hi, I just found out that is possible to add a few more battery modules to extend an electric range. But probably by reducing modules I would lose some voltage and whole system wouldn’t work. I couldn’t find any more info about this. But Outlander would be great as normal hybrid😍
Hi Im one of your followers. I recently bought a 2014 gx4h Mitsubishi outlander phev.Ive notice my hybrid battery is draining even without using or driving it.What is your opinion about this thanks.
Hard to tell, batteries have rest times and SoC changes. If the battery is very small, like in the PHEV, the km you lose or gain can be significant.
I wonder if most PHEVs work like this? In particular how the new Ford Transit Van PHEV 1L engine will work if you never plug it in? It would be awesome if they had a manual switch for not using battery.
Why would you not use the battery?
Wondering if the battery could be saved for something other than driving on camping trips.. like air conditioning and cooking.
@@12vLife 2 years after you posted.... but from my research on Outlander PHEVs there is a 'save' switch which does exactly that.... save the battery for when you want it i.e. if you are camping as you say, or just wanting to save ability to run in pure EV mode when you hit traffic after driving on the highway. It's a very nice feature to have and well thought out by the designers!
I smile every time you say 'series' mode as it sounds to me due to your acent 'Serious' mode, which if your using fuel it is serious ! 😁👍
What accent?
double acute
Agree. It seems like he is using that vehicle as it is a pure electronic car. It is a only 12 kw battery, instead of a 60 kw one in Tesla. 110 eps. It is amazing.
yes, expecting that PHEV will behave like Tesla or Leaf is a big misunderstanding. This is a big SUV with a small battery that allow for short city drivings in EV mode.
I agree 100%. The PHEV is not a BEV. I'm using it for short commuting on pure EV and longer hybrid drives as designed.
Hallo from Switzerland How much costs to your area to charge the Battery?? That cost must be added to cost of driving
It's a lot lower than the cost of the fuel to drive a similar distance providing your car gives you decent range and you drive it with a bit of forethought, e.g. not using the air conditioning and air-heating system too much as they eat up the battery p[ower.
Hey Andy quick question for you. If you could go back in time would you lease this vehicle instead of buying it? I feel like in 3-4 years the technology is going to be even better and it would pay to wait a little longer before purchasing. Also, are you still having the battery degradation issues?
With the knowledge about the car I have now, I would not buy it again. I would lease a different EV or PHEV then. The service provided by Mitsubishi is just too bad. They don't really seem to care at all. World wide phenomenon.
unplugged EV Andy, Thanks for your response. I’ve been trying to choose between the outlander PHEV and the Kia Optima PHEV. I think your videos helped me make up my mind. Thanks so much and good luck! I hope Mitsubishi finally comes around and makes these vehicles right.
Thanks Chris. It will be a long fight. Definitely go with the Kia. My wife has got the Kia and it is awesome. The customer service from them seems a lot better too.
Optima is completely different car - it's a car not AWD SUV. Also the fact that Kia users don't have Wtchdog to monitor battery doesn't mean that Kia don't have similar issues.
Andrzej P Yeah, I’ve stuck between getting an suv PHEV and a sedan style PHEV. I hate the rear end of the Honda clarity and the trunk space on the Ford Fusion energi is a joke. I had narrowed it down between the Optima and outlander. I haven’t seen any videos on the Optima talking about battery degradation or really any gripes. My biggest problem is there aren’t any with the technology package here in Saint Louis.
I got my 2018 GT two days ago. I noticed that it’s only showing 8 amps when charging. My socket and and breaker are 15 amps. Any idea?
The EVSE delivers only 8A to the car with newer models. Earlier models had the 10A EVSE with a 15A plug with the car (needed always this frickin' 15A Outlet to charge), nowadays the EVSE is 8A and comes with a 10A plug for every standard power outlet.
Thanks for the response. I need to press the fast charge button before connecting to the car, now it showing 12A.
Ah, you've got one of these with the selector switch. Cool, It's like my switchable EVSE. I usually charge on 6A only over time. Just when I haven't got time I crank it up to 15A.
Hello just got the 2017 model, with the ev driving mode, will it still consume a little bit of the fuel? Because noticed my pgev is doing that while am on the ev mode driving
Can you be more specific?
Or post a video?
@@theamazoner4075 hello I noticed that everytime I am on the ev mode, the fuel km range level goes down one or 2 as well, but it goes back when I am on the charge mode, is that normal?
Wow! You're sure you got the right vehicle? No idea how it functions or works? Well, it's all explained here on the channel...
Well if you're not gonna plug it in, get a normal hybrid car, I'm sure they are better suited for this application! This is really meant to be plugged in! It's the difference between 0 and 8l/100 km XD
Where you get that phev watchdog apps
Tried the description of the video??????
Andy help what is serious mode i dont understand , hope your well sending you some of the heat we had here in Europe did you say you have a video explaining the dog i dont understand what thats telling me either help Andy your my only hope ha
Hahaha, series mode, Rich, series mode! When the ICE drives the generator which powers the motors which drive the car. Seriously?!
A gentle drive needing 10+ liters / 100 km. How is this good?
Is it possible to remove the batteries to make the car lighter and give better mpg?
What??? 🤦
Why would you bother? You'd just buy the petrol version of the car!
if you removed the battery you'd still be carrying around the motors so you'd have been better off just getting the petrol motors
I do the save button on electric. And driving in the city i go electric. Much better
No charging??? Sure you got bad flu due to this freezing +5C that morning and you are hallucinating! :P Ps. I don't fully agree with the statement of lack of efficiency. You need to compare it with a similar sized, petrol driven SUV. I guarantee you that they will never see 8 l/100 and I was able to keep it as low as 7.1 l/100km in my model. You need to make a test with the charge button as well :)
Hahaha, it was pretty cold :D I compared it with the 2L petrol version of the Outlander PHEV which is rated with 7L/100km as per below link. Don't forget, this test result was for this particular trip. Longer trips or different speeds could end in different results of course. I was going pretty slow due to the construction work and still the vehicle wasn't that great and efficient. So, keep it plugged in ;) www.mitsubishi-motors.com.au/vehicles/outlander/specifications/m1/ZL1M45
@@unpluggedEV does not worth to use it like that since our PHEV do not have Atkinson engine...
same here I constantly get 7.1 l/100km on long highway trips without plug-in and will full load. I would say it's quite good for the car size. Of course for the daily commute in town, I'm using 100% electric, so my lifetime average is ~60MPG - unmatched by any hybrid car.
The specs of that outlander have nothing to do with real life scenarios ;)
accelerating and then charging batteries while coasting (engine braking) and use that electricity to run the engine its less economic than just using fuel to run the wheels and letting it coast longer to a stop. Hybrids that aren't plug in make no sense as they are less efficient than just petrol/
Well, not quite. You can recharge the battery when the engine runs on higher speeds and use the battery power in slower areas where the motors are far more efficient than an ICE.
@@unpluggedEV ...which is just what you did not do on that trip...
1 st world problem. Have to drive to work in hybrid mode because you forgot to charge :-D
So annoying, right?! Hahaha
😂❤
I just reviewed some other channel explaining the phev system and they’re more accurate no need to spend 10hours to explain this car
Don't recommend anyone buying this vehicle.. mine is suffering from serious battery degradation and its only a year old. The local dealer doesn't want to know anything about it.
Something wrong in your car. Outlander is a best plugin Hybrid ever made.
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I’m confused by what you’re recommending. You called the video ‘NEVER plug-in your PHEV’ but then you tell us we should charge it sometimes. You say the cost of driving was 8 liters per 100kms but that’s terrible! I am considering changing to a hybrid SUV from my 2.0 litre diesel Astra and I can get way better than that. I’m looking to reduce my overall driving costs but it seems the Outlander PHEV is not a good idea after all. Just when I was almost convinced this was the car I was going to buy too!
These days you don't buy a hybrid or plug-in hybrid any more, you buy full electric. Test drive one for a day and you will love it.
@@unpluggedEV That's easy to say if you live in a house with a carport or garage. If you live in a flat it is not easy or practical to install a charging port and hence a full electric car is not an option. They are great yes but they are simply off the plan so enough said!
you dont buy a new vehicle to save money😆
German? Surely
Kann doch gar nicht sein!
8.2 lt on 60/80 kmh really sucks
Learn to drive
What is the car mileage to lost over 20% capacity? 9/100 is not average! It is tooooooooooooo high! For a hybride I expect 3, not 9, and you did not drove with 150 km/h. 9 is ok if you drive with 150, but with 90 it should be 3-4.