This video is about rebuilding the starter for Old Rusty, more like this on the channel in the Old Rusty series
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Thank you for providing this quality content! My 1950 Desoto has a very similar starter motor which is very weak. I hope to do the same procedure and repair it.
@heathensgarage17 күн бұрын
Absolutely the best video ever on starters, thank you
@bshnabel2 жыл бұрын
Very thorough explanation. Thank you for taking the time to share your process
@slawnski3 жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@D3Sshooter3 жыл бұрын
This starter motor has no solonoid as you said,but the engagement of the Bendix to movement forward is clear, engine starts and runs and the Bendix returns_____ but why this when it is going against the power that activated forward in the first place? I am a great fan of yours and learn a lot from the detailed ,patient, explanation of everything. Are you a lecturer as well as a skilled technician? Your teaching skills tell us that you are. Go on, tell us Greeting from |reland Leo.
@leolammas7940 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the detailed explanation. You are a teacher without a classroom. Cheers.
@Dover665E3 жыл бұрын
Wow, thanks!
@D3Sshooter3 жыл бұрын
It's too bad starter / alternator etc. rebuilds are no longer the norm... "Just buy a new one". Thank you for the informative and well shot video and for the glimpse to the past.
@Nugetto3 жыл бұрын
TXS for the comments
@D3Sshooter3 жыл бұрын
TXS for the comments
@D3Sshooter3 жыл бұрын
Evening Steve. This is like being in school with a fantastic teacher lol 😂 I always enjoy your videos no matter what your up to in your workshop or home 🤣 Keep safe and take care as always cheers Stevie 😎🇬🇧
@TheDaf95xf3 жыл бұрын
Wow, thank you
@D3Sshooter3 жыл бұрын
Sir,. Your video appeared to be more a tutorial about the parts of a starter and the functions of those parts. Beginners would love your video.
@keithameerali94743 жыл бұрын
Yes, you are right
@D3Sshooter3 жыл бұрын
@@D3Sshooter Sir, I respect your humility and knowledge. I commented because I once owned a 1996 Singer Vogue and occasionally had to do similar repairs to the starter, Lucas D40 generator and the water pump. Luckily parts were available. Nowadays young DIYers would not be familiar with such type of repairs so your video may appeal to some curious ones.
@keithameerali94743 жыл бұрын
Brilliant explanation of the starter motor. I used to work on the starter of my -73 Mini, it always needed som care every spring after being soaked in salty snow, water and mud through the winter months.
@ivarwb41153 жыл бұрын
Glad it helped
@D3Sshooter3 жыл бұрын
As a kid my dad taught me how motors work by building a motor from scratch. We used bent nails to wrap our wire on! It was a project I'll never forget! ...Newk from Kentucky USA
@timothynewkirk26543 жыл бұрын
TXS for the comments
@D3Sshooter3 жыл бұрын
Now that is a high quality rotor. You just don't see this in the newer ones. Just look at the commutators, damn.
@MirceaD283 жыл бұрын
TXS for the comments,
@D3Sshooter3 жыл бұрын
You are an awesome teacher. I am surprised there are not more views it should be a million. Thank you for that thorough explanation.
@user-yg4br9ji1n2 жыл бұрын
Good working Sir 😊😊😊
@ShakirAuto0673 ай бұрын
Thank you for the knowledge brother. Greatly appreciated!
@wattan7parrast Жыл бұрын
Any time!
@D3Sshooter Жыл бұрын
Great video! Love your red/blue motor armature demo!
@ercost603 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Cheers!
@D3Sshooter3 жыл бұрын
Excellent lesson. Cheers Steve 👍 💯
@sonyhk38243 жыл бұрын
Thanks 👍
@D3Sshooter3 жыл бұрын
i know Im randomly asking but does any of you know of a method to log back into an instagram account? I was dumb lost my login password. I appreciate any assistance you can offer me.
@fletcherdominic59312 жыл бұрын
@Fletcher Dominic Instablaster ;)
@caspianemerson97172 жыл бұрын
@Caspian Emerson Thanks for your reply. I got to the site through google and im trying it out now. I see it takes a while so I will reply here later when my account password hopefully is recovered.
@fletcherdominic59312 жыл бұрын
@Caspian Emerson It worked and I now got access to my account again. Im so happy! Thanks so much, you saved my account :D
@fletcherdominic59312 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video. I’m refurbishing an old Caterpillar 6 volt starter motor, which is very similar, but not quite identical to yours. Watching you pull your starter apart let me figure out what I was missing in the disassembly process of mine. I have also noticed that my starter appears to be missing the bendix gear return spring which is a fairly major issue…
@langdons2848 Жыл бұрын
To install brushes, use the spring to hold the brush in it's holder by pulling it right back, then kink the brush over slightly so it's leaning slightly. the spring is then allowed to sit against the side of the brush, locking it in it's holder when the end plate is fitted with Armature in place. ,the brush is just pushed into place and the spring will automatically pop onto the top of the brush holding it down against the commutator.. I have a hook used for pulling the springs up ,made about 50 years ago from a broken hacksaw blade. PS, regarding location of oil holes, they are Always positioned opposite the load surface ( in your case the load is on the top) as a small vacuum is present in that area whilst in operation. this is found on all oiled machines regardless of type.
@Mercmad3 жыл бұрын
TXS for the comments, I learned something here -
@D3Sshooter3 жыл бұрын
Excellent video. You explained everything and kept it simple. Thanks for sharing.
@irishmanshamrock85633 жыл бұрын
Great explanation.......keep up the good work!
@pm11043 жыл бұрын
Thanks, will do!
@D3Sshooter3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. I have an old outboard starter that I tried to rebuild, but didn't know which contacts to check for continuity. Loving the rebuild of Old Rusty! And the brushes are a pain!
@rushwal3 жыл бұрын
You're welcome!
@D3Sshooter3 жыл бұрын
Oh my, what a great teacher. I am a senior with a couple of older vehicles that I need to work on. Kids have busy lives and I like to get dirty anyway so I can do some, right?
@valeriemckay70648 ай бұрын
Great explanation - i enjoy all your videos and your knowledge of "everything". Thanks
@josefhensler47913 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@D3Sshooter3 жыл бұрын
Very interesting videos, looking forward to hear Old Rusty start Love your English with the Flemish accent, I've lived in Antwerp for 10 years (Berchem)
@nicholasflint42443 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@D3Sshooter3 жыл бұрын
Hello again from Finland. Nice training vid everyone who donot understand car starter motors. I have ferguson TEA20 year 54 in my carage. I have almost my life been with tractors, trucks, cars, and busses. Tea 20 starter works similiair. I have Mf35 61 Perkins 3.152 motor and Valmet 500 70 too. Valmet 500 was made in Finland. Look tractordata. All the best for You. Wishes I , Pimudog and Mickeycat. In Finland Mickey is simlpy Mikki.. Mickey is now ten years old.. or Young..
@hile63803 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing
@D3Sshooter3 жыл бұрын
Smashing video :-D, You made it very clear and the correct names for the armature/commutators, some people keep wrongly saying 'rotor and stator', that is for alternators. Make sure the bendix and shaft has a light coat of oil. I used to work in an auto factory.
@zx8401ztv3 жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful! and Thanks for the comments
@D3Sshooter3 жыл бұрын
Great explaination and informative... hopefullly u good dude...
@SjnAsan Жыл бұрын
Great video! Would have loved to had more explanation on the continuity of the commutator and a comparison to one that is wired differently. Thanks for the detail you did go into.
@joshdacus87962 жыл бұрын
Great suggestion!
@D3Sshooter2 жыл бұрын
For starter solenoids - when I was working on cars a lot many years ago, it was common for the starter solenoid to be mounted on the inner fender or the firewall.
@chrissometimes74733 жыл бұрын
TXS for the comments,
@D3Sshooter3 жыл бұрын
That would actually be a starter relay.
@ercost603 жыл бұрын
@@ercost60 Quite correct, but they were commonly called solenoids.
@chrissometimes74733 жыл бұрын
Fairly good go-over of the starter. My only comment would be that the commutator contacts need to insulate from each other. Little bits of the brushes wear off and get in between them and short them one to another. Those little bits do not carry the high current of the armature, but they are not good, either. My uncle had an electric motor rewind shop and I used to visit in my youth and watch the techs work on various motors, including occasionally ones like this. They would take a kind of hack saw blade and work it between the commutator contacts, then blow the slot out. This would make little ridges at the edges, which got fixed by turning down or like you did with the sandpaper, although you have to once again check and blow out. They should not short to adjacent contacts.
@DNomer3 жыл бұрын
Denis , you stated "the commutator contacts need to insulate from each other". That is indeed a common standard and typical combined with a 180 degree test. But this winding is different, and between adjacent segments its ok to have continuity.
@D3Sshooter3 жыл бұрын
@@D3Sshooter If adjacent segments have continuity, all segments are shorted to each other, which CANNOT be right. The only saving grace is that the connections are not high current, as I mentioned above. It is better to clean between them so that segments do not short to each other.
@DNomer3 жыл бұрын
This is great info, thank you!
@CBCycles3 жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@D3Sshooter3 жыл бұрын
Great job! Excelent !!!
@srfademo3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Cheers!
@D3Sshooter3 жыл бұрын
Thank you , very good info for sure, I am working on a starter (6v) that was rebuilt a year ago, I was unsure how to test the magnets in the housing, Hope now I can check them out.
@johnryals5153 Жыл бұрын
Glad it helped
@D3Sshooter Жыл бұрын
Excelent video 👍
@allegrocorp58272 жыл бұрын
great job
@markfiorella74473 жыл бұрын
TXS for the comments
@D3Sshooter3 жыл бұрын
good job
@gulabkeerio19302 жыл бұрын
great video
@hedgerowpete3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the visit
@D3Sshooter3 жыл бұрын
Its a good idea to soak the bushes in motor oil for 24 hrs rather than just putting copper-grease on as it tends to dry out. You can pull the springs back and move them to one side and the brushes will go out and in easily. Don't use oil on the bendix, clean it and rub the sliding surfaces with a soft pencil.
@jjmac35613 жыл бұрын
TXS for the comments, good tips
@D3Sshooter3 жыл бұрын
its a very good tutor to me that your work sir,thank you, i know that s now to me.
@dodongcamirino9573 жыл бұрын
You are welcome
@D3Sshooter3 жыл бұрын
good explaination point many point note down good
@farukpatel3049 Жыл бұрын
Very nice work from an old man 👍🏻, you need a clever mane like me to help you up 😄😄, keep up the good work, bless you ✌🏻
@pazzy45012 жыл бұрын
To call someone old is sometimes troubling or insulting, but I guess it's different in some parts of the world where it's an honor.
@dobleclanger Жыл бұрын
@@dobleclanger Well you are right, as a Muslim and Arab man - Egyptian for specific, we respect old people very much and we consider them the source of wisdom and knowledge, we never insult any body whatever is his age, insulting is forbeddin in Islam, so by calling some one "an old man" or "an old" for general, you just elevate him and upgrade his level respect to you. We respect and help old people generally, whether they where parts of your family or even strangers. That was my point of view and how I phrased the words up
@pazzy4501 Жыл бұрын
A 6 volt starter will work on a 12 volt system, at least the Chevrolet 6 volt starters did. They would put out a lot more power than their 12 volt replacements, some people put them on in the early day of the small block V8 when they put a lot of compression into the engine and the 12 volt starters would not work as well. The windings of the 6 volt used a larger wire and the insulation would withstand the voltage, of course the batteries didn't like you to hold the starter engaged for a long period of time and sometimes the increased current draw would melt the internal connection to the battery post but they had a lot of torque.
@roygunter32443 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comments Roy, Indeed the main thing here is the current as that doubles at 12V. So, that could indeed be an issue for the 12Volts battery drain... Something I should try out. Good tip, thank you..
@D3Sshooter3 жыл бұрын
You upload good videos great
@come6443 жыл бұрын
Very clear sound good spoken englis
@come6443 жыл бұрын
Amazing video! Starters have always been a mystery to me, but this explained it perfectly! I'm going to be cleaning a 60 year old starter I have now. Do you think it would be safe to soak in carb cleaner? And that insulation tape you used. Do I HAVE to use that, or could I use a liquid gasket in it's place?
@SeanJSlomka42 Жыл бұрын
You can use a 12 volt battery on a 6 volt starter by introducing a resistor. In this case by connecting the positive to a length of water pipe or rod as a resistor. You will need to use the multimeter along the length to find a point that will get you closer to 6 volts - like a rheostat. All components will need to be mounted - wood and cardboard are good insulators - to prevent shorting and safety glasses worn. This is for a quick test, as the pipe or rod will heat up if a test component is run for long time.
@mohabatkhanmalak11613 жыл бұрын
TXS for the comments, I see , Its all about U=I.R
@D3Sshooter3 жыл бұрын
Getting those bushes back in was a nightmare I had an 49 model prefect, it drove me mad.
@barriecharmsway80263 жыл бұрын
TXS for the comments, tell me about it
@D3Sshooter3 жыл бұрын
شكرا احسنت عملا
@user-zx5hz9px8x2 жыл бұрын
I like your "Dee Double You 40". I'm copying it already! Hoped you showed how you figured out if it was a 6 or a 12 Volt. Maybe I have to show some patience. Great job, anyway.
@janghys49703 жыл бұрын
Great suggestion! 6V was engraved in the housing
@D3Sshooter3 жыл бұрын
Hi shooter Iv got a Fiat 128 Rally 1974 Do you know why starter keep cranking and not start, i had to take of battery cable to stop it. After days strangle i find out the points it self touchinng earth. Plastic of the points melded and so touch earth. Well after fix the points iv got spark and starter stop keep cranking. And problem solves now. On my coil i got 3 wires. 1. Ignition wire on + 2. Wire go to points - 3. Wire on - also. This wire i got no idee where it go. How can points that not work good like this. Make the starter keep on cranking. This confuse me totale 😁
@g.j.dutoit44473 жыл бұрын
Do you know what would make it spin slow. thanks allot
@alaxandersupertramp6955 Жыл бұрын
thanks for this - is there a link to a parts house for motor parts? different armatures, brushes etc... my spring on brush holder rusted off....so that ring needs replacing but i lack the vocabulary...thanks in advance
@harleyjune12333 жыл бұрын
I get mine from Franssens
@D3Sshooter3 жыл бұрын
Can I ask you, what do you call the adhesive paper you wrapped around the brush opening? I have the same problem on my starter where the metal strap has rusted through
@irishmanshamrock85633 жыл бұрын
He called it insulation tape, but not sure why it looks textured. *Auto shop should have it. Looks different to electricians tape though - that's just rubbery plastic colored tape. The one he uses looks thick and imbedded with something solid or granular.
@dobleclanger Жыл бұрын
I have a eldorado starter problems in a 2001North Star free spinning not engaging will not stop without discovering battery is sister bad or is a different problem
@user-hj3us2jg9g8 ай бұрын
I was watching you video and noticed that the bendix did not spring out when the motor turned. I am wondering if this starter is a positive ground and was turning the motor the wrong direction?
@kennethdahl47913 жыл бұрын
Indeed, it moved a little bit, the reason is that the start current is not strong enough
@D3Sshooter3 жыл бұрын
You stated the use of copper grease. Would it not make sense to use a dielectric grease instead?
@jamescaneda95152 жыл бұрын
When you measured the case you said nice continuity, what resistance roughly should it read between the power terminal on case to each brush? A few ohms??
@irishguy200007 Жыл бұрын
yes indeed less then 2 Ohms
@D3Sshooter Жыл бұрын
@@D3Sshooter I would have thought even with coils in rotary having a short to another coil that the motor would still turn but poorly and not completey short out the supply from the battery lead.
@irishguy200007 Жыл бұрын
I have a starter that just draws current once power is applied to that power terminal on case after I bypass the solenoid but the starter doesn't spin but sit there and the battery terminal sizzels.
@irishguy200007 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comments
@D3Sshooter Жыл бұрын
hello, nice video ! what kind of a machine do you use at 2:47 to take of the two rusty nuts ? Can you give brand + type please ? Thanks
@ralphc34993 жыл бұрын
Pneumatic Impact wrench
@madeinbelgium85523 жыл бұрын
Just pneumatic impact wrench, Chicago pneumatics
@D3Sshooter3 жыл бұрын
I don't think they work without an air compressor.
@dobleclanger Жыл бұрын
what does that springy part between the bendix and the armature do?
@Arnthorg3 жыл бұрын
A shock absorber. Mechanism I think
@jusb10663 жыл бұрын
Indeed a shock absorber when the small teeth wheel grips in the flywheel
@D3Sshooter3 жыл бұрын
Invest in a bench vise. Your starter is a positive ground- during the test it was not rotating the right direction and the bendix was not working.
@oldschool19933 жыл бұрын
OLD SCHOOL , txs but it is negative ground. The bendix did move a little . Since i do not have the needed amperage to have a quick zero to rotation time the bendix did not move enough. Remember that the bendix moves forewards due its inertion. Soon we will it when de flywheel is and i have a 6 V battery
@D3Sshooter3 жыл бұрын
@@D3Sshooter OK- maybe just the illusion due to camera strobing, it looked like it was turning backwards and that would not allow the bendix to engage.
@oldschool19933 жыл бұрын
Should the bush in the center be isolated?
@marthouten86683 жыл бұрын
Not really
@D3Sshooter3 жыл бұрын
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best :)
@scottprimrose69663 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comments
@D3Sshooter3 жыл бұрын
El mil usos (The multitasking).
@legalman28913 жыл бұрын
TXS for the comments
@D3Sshooter3 жыл бұрын
How long have you been working on this truck
@bobhennig65973 жыл бұрын
several months, but I do other cars inbetween
@D3Sshooter3 жыл бұрын
The brushes look very worn , did you check against a new one , they are cheap and probably easily available even for this vehicle
@bigears44263 жыл бұрын
TXS for the comments, I did check the dimensions and they are almost the same . 1-2 mm difference, so I kept the old
@D3Sshooter3 жыл бұрын
How do you only have 27K subscribers?
@A32035033 жыл бұрын
TXS for the comments, I have no idea... I hope to get more... but maybe the channel is not good enough
@D3Sshooter3 жыл бұрын
I think a few millenial kids brains locked up seeing this...
@danielramsey19593 жыл бұрын
TXS for the comments, hahaha
@D3Sshooter3 жыл бұрын
Is that 12v or 6v
@isuriwijesekare83162 жыл бұрын
that is a 6V, but you can start with 12V ( not prolonged of course and it could crack the bendix head)
@D3Sshooter2 жыл бұрын
You need to invest in a bench vise.
@oldschool19933 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comments and tips, I have a few mobile bench vise's
@D3Sshooter3 жыл бұрын
That old thing is so old it was using a mechanic selenoid its been repair many times we can see all the tin weld
@simonthiboutot27732 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comments
@D3Sshooter2 жыл бұрын
Its not an electro magnet it is a permanent magnet.
@davidperry76763 жыл бұрын
Sorry David, these are electro magnets.
@D3Sshooter3 жыл бұрын
Maggot Morrelli
@ronwade54333 жыл бұрын
Been a long time since I thought about rebuilding electrical components. I used to have a Ford Thames van with Lucas electrics. I got to rebuild the starter motor and generator annually. Nice to have designs that allow rebuilding, not so nice that they were such poor quality.
@waynerudiger17563 жыл бұрын
Joseph Lucas = The Prince of Darkness
@RutherfordRyan13 жыл бұрын
TXS for comments
@D3Sshooter3 жыл бұрын
I forgot
@glennreed46852 ай бұрын
Hardly used starter like new
@kbrickell4732 Жыл бұрын
Your explanation of how the commutator and brushes work is very muddled. For a motor to spin it only needs 2 segments on the commutator. The extra segments are not to make it spin but to make it spin smoother. Your motor requires 4 segments due to the 2 additional brushes for the field coils.
@DaftOldMan3 жыл бұрын
indeed , as that is what I tried to state...
@D3Sshooter3 жыл бұрын
You know what are you doing ?
@fuzileiro19743 жыл бұрын
I hope so
@D3Sshooter3 жыл бұрын
no need for a solenoid when you have a foot switch to connect the starter its old school Turning and undercutting of electric motor commutators are performed for various reasons, but most notably for preventative maintenance. For example: these services promote the uniform wear of motor or generator carbon brushes, which will extend the brush life.
@BleuJurassic3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comments
@D3Sshooter3 жыл бұрын
No thanks , I am currently watching paint dry.....O.M.F.G
@gregrishel42833 жыл бұрын
Sorry!
@D3Sshooter3 жыл бұрын
Okay, I'm GONE, THIS GUY HAS NO IDEA WHAT HE'S DOING!!!!!😡😡😡😡
@thenoseknows9391 Жыл бұрын
How can you make a video and NOT KNOW HOW TO TAKE IT APART 😡😡😡😡😡😡😡
Thank you for providing this quality content! My 1950 Desoto has a very similar starter motor which is very weak. I hope to do the same procedure and repair it.
Absolutely the best video ever on starters, thank you
Very thorough explanation. Thank you for taking the time to share your process
Glad it was helpful!
This starter motor has no solonoid as you said,but the engagement of the Bendix to movement forward is clear, engine starts and runs and the Bendix returns_____ but why this when it is going against the power that activated forward in the first place? I am a great fan of yours and learn a lot from the detailed ,patient, explanation of everything. Are you a lecturer as well as a skilled technician? Your teaching skills tell us that you are. Go on, tell us Greeting from |reland Leo.
Thank you for the detailed explanation. You are a teacher without a classroom. Cheers.
Wow, thanks!
It's too bad starter / alternator etc. rebuilds are no longer the norm... "Just buy a new one". Thank you for the informative and well shot video and for the glimpse to the past.
TXS for the comments
TXS for the comments
Evening Steve. This is like being in school with a fantastic teacher lol 😂 I always enjoy your videos no matter what your up to in your workshop or home 🤣 Keep safe and take care as always cheers Stevie 😎🇬🇧
Wow, thank you
Sir,. Your video appeared to be more a tutorial about the parts of a starter and the functions of those parts. Beginners would love your video.
Yes, you are right
@@D3Sshooter Sir, I respect your humility and knowledge. I commented because I once owned a 1996 Singer Vogue and occasionally had to do similar repairs to the starter, Lucas D40 generator and the water pump. Luckily parts were available. Nowadays young DIYers would not be familiar with such type of repairs so your video may appeal to some curious ones.
Brilliant explanation of the starter motor. I used to work on the starter of my -73 Mini, it always needed som care every spring after being soaked in salty snow, water and mud through the winter months.
Glad it helped
As a kid my dad taught me how motors work by building a motor from scratch. We used bent nails to wrap our wire on! It was a project I'll never forget! ...Newk from Kentucky USA
TXS for the comments
Now that is a high quality rotor. You just don't see this in the newer ones. Just look at the commutators, damn.
TXS for the comments,
You are an awesome teacher. I am surprised there are not more views it should be a million. Thank you for that thorough explanation.
Good working Sir 😊😊😊
Thank you for the knowledge brother. Greatly appreciated!
Any time!
Great video! Love your red/blue motor armature demo!
Thank you! Cheers!
Excellent lesson. Cheers Steve 👍 💯
Thanks 👍
i know Im randomly asking but does any of you know of a method to log back into an instagram account? I was dumb lost my login password. I appreciate any assistance you can offer me.
@Fletcher Dominic Instablaster ;)
@Caspian Emerson Thanks for your reply. I got to the site through google and im trying it out now. I see it takes a while so I will reply here later when my account password hopefully is recovered.
@Caspian Emerson It worked and I now got access to my account again. Im so happy! Thanks so much, you saved my account :D
Thank you for this video. I’m refurbishing an old Caterpillar 6 volt starter motor, which is very similar, but not quite identical to yours. Watching you pull your starter apart let me figure out what I was missing in the disassembly process of mine. I have also noticed that my starter appears to be missing the bendix gear return spring which is a fairly major issue…
To install brushes, use the spring to hold the brush in it's holder by pulling it right back, then kink the brush over slightly so it's leaning slightly. the spring is then allowed to sit against the side of the brush, locking it in it's holder when the end plate is fitted with Armature in place. ,the brush is just pushed into place and the spring will automatically pop onto the top of the brush holding it down against the commutator.. I have a hook used for pulling the springs up ,made about 50 years ago from a broken hacksaw blade. PS, regarding location of oil holes, they are Always positioned opposite the load surface ( in your case the load is on the top) as a small vacuum is present in that area whilst in operation. this is found on all oiled machines regardless of type.
TXS for the comments, I learned something here -
Excellent video. You explained everything and kept it simple. Thanks for sharing.
Great explanation.......keep up the good work!
Thanks, will do!
Thanks for the video. I have an old outboard starter that I tried to rebuild, but didn't know which contacts to check for continuity. Loving the rebuild of Old Rusty! And the brushes are a pain!
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Oh my, what a great teacher. I am a senior with a couple of older vehicles that I need to work on. Kids have busy lives and I like to get dirty anyway so I can do some, right?
Great explanation - i enjoy all your videos and your knowledge of "everything". Thanks
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Very interesting videos, looking forward to hear Old Rusty start Love your English with the Flemish accent, I've lived in Antwerp for 10 years (Berchem)
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Smashing video :-D, You made it very clear and the correct names for the armature/commutators, some people keep wrongly saying 'rotor and stator', that is for alternators. Make sure the bendix and shaft has a light coat of oil. I used to work in an auto factory.
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Great explaination and informative... hopefullly u good dude...
Great video! Would have loved to had more explanation on the continuity of the commutator and a comparison to one that is wired differently. Thanks for the detail you did go into.
Great suggestion!
For starter solenoids - when I was working on cars a lot many years ago, it was common for the starter solenoid to be mounted on the inner fender or the firewall.
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That would actually be a starter relay.
@@ercost60 Quite correct, but they were commonly called solenoids.
Fairly good go-over of the starter. My only comment would be that the commutator contacts need to insulate from each other. Little bits of the brushes wear off and get in between them and short them one to another. Those little bits do not carry the high current of the armature, but they are not good, either. My uncle had an electric motor rewind shop and I used to visit in my youth and watch the techs work on various motors, including occasionally ones like this. They would take a kind of hack saw blade and work it between the commutator contacts, then blow the slot out. This would make little ridges at the edges, which got fixed by turning down or like you did with the sandpaper, although you have to once again check and blow out. They should not short to adjacent contacts.
Denis , you stated "the commutator contacts need to insulate from each other". That is indeed a common standard and typical combined with a 180 degree test. But this winding is different, and between adjacent segments its ok to have continuity.
@@D3Sshooter If adjacent segments have continuity, all segments are shorted to each other, which CANNOT be right. The only saving grace is that the connections are not high current, as I mentioned above. It is better to clean between them so that segments do not short to each other.
This is great info, thank you!
Glad it was helpful!
Great job! Excelent !!!
Thank you! Cheers!
Thank you , very good info for sure, I am working on a starter (6v) that was rebuilt a year ago, I was unsure how to test the magnets in the housing, Hope now I can check them out.
Glad it helped
Excelent video 👍
great job
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good job
great video
Thanks for the visit
Its a good idea to soak the bushes in motor oil for 24 hrs rather than just putting copper-grease on as it tends to dry out. You can pull the springs back and move them to one side and the brushes will go out and in easily. Don't use oil on the bendix, clean it and rub the sliding surfaces with a soft pencil.
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its a very good tutor to me that your work sir,thank you, i know that s now to me.
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good explaination point many point note down good
Very nice work from an old man 👍🏻, you need a clever mane like me to help you up 😄😄, keep up the good work, bless you ✌🏻
To call someone old is sometimes troubling or insulting, but I guess it's different in some parts of the world where it's an honor.
@@dobleclanger Well you are right, as a Muslim and Arab man - Egyptian for specific, we respect old people very much and we consider them the source of wisdom and knowledge, we never insult any body whatever is his age, insulting is forbeddin in Islam, so by calling some one "an old man" or "an old" for general, you just elevate him and upgrade his level respect to you. We respect and help old people generally, whether they where parts of your family or even strangers. That was my point of view and how I phrased the words up
A 6 volt starter will work on a 12 volt system, at least the Chevrolet 6 volt starters did. They would put out a lot more power than their 12 volt replacements, some people put them on in the early day of the small block V8 when they put a lot of compression into the engine and the 12 volt starters would not work as well. The windings of the 6 volt used a larger wire and the insulation would withstand the voltage, of course the batteries didn't like you to hold the starter engaged for a long period of time and sometimes the increased current draw would melt the internal connection to the battery post but they had a lot of torque.
Thanks for the comments Roy, Indeed the main thing here is the current as that doubles at 12V. So, that could indeed be an issue for the 12Volts battery drain... Something I should try out. Good tip, thank you..
You upload good videos great
Very clear sound good spoken englis
Amazing video! Starters have always been a mystery to me, but this explained it perfectly! I'm going to be cleaning a 60 year old starter I have now. Do you think it would be safe to soak in carb cleaner? And that insulation tape you used. Do I HAVE to use that, or could I use a liquid gasket in it's place?
You can use a 12 volt battery on a 6 volt starter by introducing a resistor. In this case by connecting the positive to a length of water pipe or rod as a resistor. You will need to use the multimeter along the length to find a point that will get you closer to 6 volts - like a rheostat. All components will need to be mounted - wood and cardboard are good insulators - to prevent shorting and safety glasses worn. This is for a quick test, as the pipe or rod will heat up if a test component is run for long time.
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Getting those bushes back in was a nightmare I had an 49 model prefect, it drove me mad.
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I like your "Dee Double You 40". I'm copying it already! Hoped you showed how you figured out if it was a 6 or a 12 Volt. Maybe I have to show some patience. Great job, anyway.
Great suggestion! 6V was engraved in the housing
Hi shooter Iv got a Fiat 128 Rally 1974 Do you know why starter keep cranking and not start, i had to take of battery cable to stop it. After days strangle i find out the points it self touchinng earth. Plastic of the points melded and so touch earth. Well after fix the points iv got spark and starter stop keep cranking. And problem solves now. On my coil i got 3 wires. 1. Ignition wire on + 2. Wire go to points - 3. Wire on - also. This wire i got no idee where it go. How can points that not work good like this. Make the starter keep on cranking. This confuse me totale 😁
Do you know what would make it spin slow. thanks allot
thanks for this - is there a link to a parts house for motor parts? different armatures, brushes etc... my spring on brush holder rusted off....so that ring needs replacing but i lack the vocabulary...thanks in advance
I get mine from Franssens
Can I ask you, what do you call the adhesive paper you wrapped around the brush opening? I have the same problem on my starter where the metal strap has rusted through
He called it insulation tape, but not sure why it looks textured. *Auto shop should have it. Looks different to electricians tape though - that's just rubbery plastic colored tape. The one he uses looks thick and imbedded with something solid or granular.
I have a eldorado starter problems in a 2001North Star free spinning not engaging will not stop without discovering battery is sister bad or is a different problem
I was watching you video and noticed that the bendix did not spring out when the motor turned. I am wondering if this starter is a positive ground and was turning the motor the wrong direction?
Indeed, it moved a little bit, the reason is that the start current is not strong enough
You stated the use of copper grease. Would it not make sense to use a dielectric grease instead?
When you measured the case you said nice continuity, what resistance roughly should it read between the power terminal on case to each brush? A few ohms??
yes indeed less then 2 Ohms
@@D3Sshooter I would have thought even with coils in rotary having a short to another coil that the motor would still turn but poorly and not completey short out the supply from the battery lead.
I have a starter that just draws current once power is applied to that power terminal on case after I bypass the solenoid but the starter doesn't spin but sit there and the battery terminal sizzels.
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hello, nice video ! what kind of a machine do you use at 2:47 to take of the two rusty nuts ? Can you give brand + type please ? Thanks
Pneumatic Impact wrench
Just pneumatic impact wrench, Chicago pneumatics
I don't think they work without an air compressor.
what does that springy part between the bendix and the armature do?
A shock absorber. Mechanism I think
Indeed a shock absorber when the small teeth wheel grips in the flywheel
Invest in a bench vise. Your starter is a positive ground- during the test it was not rotating the right direction and the bendix was not working.
OLD SCHOOL , txs but it is negative ground. The bendix did move a little . Since i do not have the needed amperage to have a quick zero to rotation time the bendix did not move enough. Remember that the bendix moves forewards due its inertion. Soon we will it when de flywheel is and i have a 6 V battery
@@D3Sshooter OK- maybe just the illusion due to camera strobing, it looked like it was turning backwards and that would not allow the bendix to engage.
Should the bush in the center be isolated?
Not really
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best :)
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El mil usos (The multitasking).
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How long have you been working on this truck
several months, but I do other cars inbetween
The brushes look very worn , did you check against a new one , they are cheap and probably easily available even for this vehicle
TXS for the comments, I did check the dimensions and they are almost the same . 1-2 mm difference, so I kept the old
How do you only have 27K subscribers?
TXS for the comments, I have no idea... I hope to get more... but maybe the channel is not good enough
I think a few millenial kids brains locked up seeing this...
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Is that 12v or 6v
that is a 6V, but you can start with 12V ( not prolonged of course and it could crack the bendix head)
You need to invest in a bench vise.
Thanks for the comments and tips, I have a few mobile bench vise's
That old thing is so old it was using a mechanic selenoid its been repair many times we can see all the tin weld
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Its not an electro magnet it is a permanent magnet.
Sorry David, these are electro magnets.
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Been a long time since I thought about rebuilding electrical components. I used to have a Ford Thames van with Lucas electrics. I got to rebuild the starter motor and generator annually. Nice to have designs that allow rebuilding, not so nice that they were such poor quality.
Joseph Lucas = The Prince of Darkness
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I forgot
Hardly used starter like new
Your explanation of how the commutator and brushes work is very muddled. For a motor to spin it only needs 2 segments on the commutator. The extra segments are not to make it spin but to make it spin smoother. Your motor requires 4 segments due to the 2 additional brushes for the field coils.
indeed , as that is what I tried to state...
You know what are you doing ?
I hope so
no need for a solenoid when you have a foot switch to connect the starter its old school Turning and undercutting of electric motor commutators are performed for various reasons, but most notably for preventative maintenance. For example: these services promote the uniform wear of motor or generator carbon brushes, which will extend the brush life.
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No thanks , I am currently watching paint dry.....O.M.F.G
Sorry!
Okay, I'm GONE, THIS GUY HAS NO IDEA WHAT HE'S DOING!!!!!😡😡😡😡
How can you make a video and NOT KNOW HOW TO TAKE IT APART 😡😡😡😡😡😡😡