[ENG CC] Track Race #52 | Kadett vs 205 vs Golf vs Pulsar vs Integra vs NX
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From Best motoring series 1990
Nissan NX Coupe Type S
Engine SR18DE 1838cc 4 DOHC 16v
Max Power 140ps/6400rpm
Max Torque 17.0kgm/4800rpm
Weight 1050kg
Nissan Pulsar 1800GTI
Engine SR18DE 1838cc 4 DOHC 16v
Max Power 140ps/6400rpm
Max Torque 17.0kgm/4800rpm
Weight 1050kg
VW GOLF Mk2 GTI
Engine PL 1780c DOHC 4 16v
Max Power 125ps/5800rpm
Max Torque 17.1kgm/4250rpm
Weight 1060kg
Peugeot 205 GTI
Engine 1904cc OHC 4
Max Power 120ps/6000rpm
Max Torque 15.2kgm/3000rpm
Weight 910kg
Opel Kadett GSi 16v
Engine 20XE 1998cc DOHC 4 16v
Max Power 150ps/6000rpm
Max Torque 20.0kgm/4800rpm
Weight 1030kg
Honda Integra XSi
Engine B16A 1595cc DOHC 4 16v
Max Power 160ps/7600rpm
Max Torque 15.5kgm/7000rpm
Weight 1100kg
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When you buy your very first used car in Gran Turismo 1 and hit the Sunday Cup.
That hit me hard. Now I feel old.
Mine was yaris, if i had the golf i will dust them all
This is what Gran Turismo is all about. I'm concerned the new one is concerned with having more high end stuff in game instead of iconic small 90s stuff that made the game
@@garethbattersby in GT7, you start with a choice of 3 compact cars. Fit Hybrid, Toyota Aqua, or Mazda Demio.
At that time, European vehicles had loose emission regulations, so all vehicles imported into Japan were obliged to change the injection setting and to have a catalyst. In fact, the Japanese version of the Golf GTI 16V was 14PS lower than the European version.
Yep, K Jet especially sucks when having to deal with a cat, cuz it must run at stochiometric. A slightly rich kjet is torquey as hell
crap claim the Golf GTI 16V was only avaible with cat from 1987 all around the world with less power than the early versions. The version in Japan had in 1990 the same power as in Europe ...fun fact in Europe it had only 168Nm in Japan 171Nm The only nation were the GTI 16V was sold after 1987 without cat was the UK till 1992. Why didn´t they use the Golf G60 ...at least power would be on pair with the japanese cars
Same is true of the XU9 in the Pug - it was awful with a CAT - although judging by the start that one was not too healthy.
@@HFStuart The Cat isn't the culprit for the 10 HP loss between the XU9JA (original 130 HP) and the XU9JAZ (Cat 120 HP), but the lower compression ratio of 9.6:1 reduced to 9.2:1 in order to be compatible with 95 RON. The XU9JA is compatible with 98 RON only. And as the Motronic engine management had no knock sensor at that time, Peugeot decided just to reduce the compression ratio for the few years life time of this engine (and earlier small markets like Japan, Germany, Austria...), without investing much money as it will be dropped soon. Removing the Cat doesn't help to retrieve the original 130 HP and higher torque. The XU9JA original pistons are necessary (this is the main difference), or scrap 1mm from the cylinder head to get back the original 9.6:1 ratio. In both cases, only 98 RON must be used, like the 130 HP. The JAZ cam shaft has a smaller valve lift too, but the difference is not that huge.
@@nagmashot or a simple 3 doors 139ps. ( my gti was something around 900kg )
Damn that looked fun! It’s always more fun to drive a slow car fast, than to drive a fast car slow.
Couldn't agree more!
Years ago I owned a peugeot 106 s1 rallye, stripped it, played with the engine, fitted a group n rally exhaust system, uprated the brakes with 206 gti brakes and then took it on several track days, I've owned several really quick cars including an e39 BMW m5, but that rallye is the car that put the biggest smile on my face out of everything I've ever owned
@@paulharper4196 ohh I love the s1 106 Rallye 1.3 98/100hp also love the grill / bonet I plan to buy one or build my own version of a Rallye
@@paulharper4196 I couldn't agree more with that ethos of small light weight car! Had loads of quick bimmers, hyper hatches, mk4 supra.....but none were as much fun as the Clio Williams i had. Made me cry like a little girl...🤦♂️🤣🤣🤮
Lmao ingame was completely slow af 😂😂😂
my heart belong to the 205, but all these cars are incredible
Also the Pug was down on power compared to other les
2.0 litre 205 was making over 160hp. It would be more fare to compare this version.
@@manospr733 the best engine in the 205 was the 1.9 with 130 Hp. The 309 got the 1.9 liter and 16v engine, making around 160Hp (before getting a exhaust catalyst). Then the 306 got the 2.0 liter 16v engine making 167Hp.
@@TomTom-hf1sl yep because of the cat, cuting down on power and also a lot of torque
@@victorpelini5995 On a level playing field the Pug is the best car no doubt
The Kadette look’s hilarious taking corners so cartoonishly. it was more entertaining seeing the Kadette & 205 battle it out than seeing Gansan drive in 1st.
Kadett good engine but body for autobanh only...
Don't know why they never show the cars on long straights. Suspension is bad but acceleration and speed is better than Golf 2 or Nissan NX.
Understeering Fest 1990!
The South African only 1990 Kadett GSI 16v S Superboss actually held the world record for the most torque per litre (114Nm/litre) in a naturally aspirated engine right up until the Ferrari 458 launched in 2009 with 117Nm/litre 125kw..
wasn't it till the s2000? Or what that something else?
@@MrZyLeXx Most HP in S2000, i think. Not torque
@@MrZyLeXx that's wat I thought..
But still a shitty car with golf its german shittyngneering.
@@kubson012 noone is talking about a golf u clown.
The 205 held a number of hatchback lap records for some time in the UK. Having driven a Sunny GTI and owned a 1.9 205, you would need slicks on the Sunny to keep up.
ou are right , this 205 GTi is the catted version , it has a lot less torque and HP then the non - catted version , same story with the VW. so the are not comparing apples to apples, but... in their country they are so yea... Also... if the whe're really comparing the best hot hatches of the brands the should have done the 309 GTi16 and the VW G60, because the nissan is also the 16V variant ;)
@@Arcolion012 K jet/Ke Jet with cats is just plain bad yeah. K Jet provides strong strong torque when you turn up the fuel just a bit, with the long runners and big plennum it's plenty strong down low. ofc it is a bit biased. I must add that the european market wasnt requiring cats at the time so they were kinda added after, hence the poor performance
Yeh I owned the same cars , a good 1.9 like mine ran a 15.8 1/4 the sunny was a 16.4 and handling with those 14 inch wheels never matched the 205
I have Ibiza Cupra model and maybe is not here to be but is very enjoyable car to drive. Lot of fun.
Not sure about that... CRX and civic 4Gen were faster than the 205 GTI, period. And that the 150hp euro versions the japan version with 160hp is better.
Friendly reminder that out of all of these cars, Kadett was the one with the most successful motorsport career. Not to mention that as much as these "tests" are fun, using such different tires means that they are worthless as the point of comparison. Quoting Milliken, "tire is the single most important part of any race car".
The 205 held a number of hatchback lap records for some time in the UK. Having driven a Sunny GTI and owned a 1.9 205, you would need slicks on the Sunny to keep up.
Well, cars are being tested just like they leave the dealers, so you can blame the car manufacturers for choosing bad tires just like for choosing bad suspension type or engine. Still I totally agree with you about the tires and that it should also be tested on this same tires types too, at least for some time attacks. Tires are replaceable part of the car and the test, where they use this same tires model, but using manufacturers tire size would be really interesting and more seems like a real life scenario.
@@gweflj Don't forget Group B wins with the 205.
The Kadett is an absolute pile. Comparing the road version to completely built works versions is irrelevant. Nissan didn't campaign the GTi much, they had the GTiR and the GT-R which were in different leagues to any of these things.
No it's not, no one never remember the Kadett, but 205 GTi, the Pulsar and the Golf are totally different history.
All that understeer on the Kadett is crazy. Though in South Africa the 2.0 GSI Superboss version is a touring car legend.
It is body roll due to a way too low roll center. I have done calculations and sims on the Kadett chassis many times in vsusp and it is clearly something they have overlooked. After putting in that rather expensive Lotus/Cosworth engine and spending tons on wind tunnel testing they cut cost on the chassis, which really was a shame. Had the geometry been designed better and had it been treated better against rust it would have been right there at the top of most desirable cars of that era.
Absolute right and the superior 2.0L engine could show the max performance. the c20 engine is really good. opel did a great job with this engine. a shame opel cut off money for the chassis development. the problem in the 90s was GM. Opel put a lot money to GM to save them.
@@Fisico87 The C20XE is the only production engine that made it in professional motorsports (f3!) till about ten years after the end of production. There is very little that can surpass this engine, they got it up to a reliable naturally aspirated 300 horses in the motorsport versions, and a very flat torque curve, really lovely.
@@vincenzodigrande2070 i know, there is a german podcast called "Old school - the golden era of the automobile" translated in english. (Alte Schule - die goldene Ära des Automobils) the man who was involved in development of this engine talked a lot about it. it was very interesting to hear what Mister Indra said. there are a lot more people, who talked about history of german car makers and hidden stories. very very interesting! i dont know about a translation in english. for people who are interested in car history, its a golden podcast.
@@Fisico87 Oh Deutsch ist für mich kein Thema.... But yeah, Fritz Indra, I believe worked for Lotus on the first iterations of this engine in Motorsports, and from what I have read a while ago Opel basically bought the design and made a few tweaks to make it more usable on the road. So yeah, it's probably why it is so efficient and suitable for motorsports.
I've owned a 1.8 gti pulsar hatch for 25 years, its still on the stock engine with a thicker rear sway bar and 14" oz wheels wrapped in potenza re71r tyres. Surprises alot of people on the road and track. Great fun driving slow cars fast!
Old school hot hatches, loving this!!!!
I would choose the Kadett all day
It would not last all day.. It would breakdown...
Nissan made their best cars in this era. Sad how they declined .
They went south after Renault stepped in..
7:30 closed captions "these brake are ghetto".
lol everybody driving like they stole it, meanwhile Gan-san looks like he's going to the grocery store on a lazy sunday and wins.
I like the Japanese commentator. He is so dramatic :)
That Kadett is comedy, had me rolling on the floor. Really good engine, used a lot in classic car hill climbs in older rwd cars.
C20xe power!
All vauxhall/opel seem to understeer massively. The 205 let down by power the kadett let down by crap handling
The 16V in the Golf too
Ah, the c20xe. A small valved reverse xu9j4.
This truly looks like a scene from gran turismo
So much fun to watch! I'd take the Integra all day long, especially with V-TEC.
These are so entertaining to watch. They always pick a good group of cars and drivers
This was insane, How we use to race at night with dad's cars as teenagers. Awesome to watch common family saloons battling it out. Nissan quite amazing. Reminded me of the Datsun 1600 SSS back in the days. Unbreakable, boy did we have moments. I am slightly shocked at the Golf and Kadett's outcome though.. Jack you're the best.
Yes because the VW and 205 are the catted versions... they are a shadow of themselves in japan... here we had the 131 hp 205 and the 122 hp version , dosnt sound like much but in real world it was a big difference.
even as someone who owns a mk2 golf gti i'd prefer the kadett out of the bunch, interesting fact the 205 and 309 were actually imported by Austin-Rover Japan or ARJ
Thank you for the upload!!! You‘re a legend
Some great battles on the track 👌
I would still rather drive any of these than a current hot hatch. Well except for the Yaris GR of course but NA, lightweight and simplicity rules. The older Opels have always been known for terrible handling and torque steer, despite that they were always entertaining.
So happy to see a Pulsar GTI on Best Motoring! Proud owner of one of these but with the 2.0l version we had in Europe. I have a GT86 too but everytime I sit and drive the pulsar the feelings are just special.
A festival of understeer here😅 The only one which still handles nicely by today’s standards is the 205, but it was underpowered in this competition.
That Integra chassis is all double wishbone very much like the later DC2 type R. In fact most parts are interchangeable…..and likely has LSD. The Pulsar also has LSD…..I’ve previously owned a 1.9 GTi and am a big fan but the Honda chassis and engine are far superior….and the Nissans with LSD are also very capable.
Amazing race!
I remember everyone back in the days going mad for the Peugeot and the pulsars. Amazing times 😂
Loved this. Would love to have a 205 GTi (1.9) in my garage. Hilarious understeer 😂
Great find, thank you....
Wow these videos are so informative
Super video! 👍🏼
This lineup was amazing
I´ve had a Pulsar GTi a couple years ago (the model was called "Sunny" over here), but I´ve never heard of a 1.8litre version until today. It was a 2litre providing 143bhp...very interesting footage! Same goes for the NX coupe which was called 100NX in Europe. ...and they´re racing TSUKUBA circuit, how cool is this??
Kadett almost falling over on every corner had me dead :D poor thing
it had the worst tires of all
Understeer machine!
It can only drive strait, VW Golf too.
@@info43203 Golf and 205 drives just as good as the japanese rivals, they say it in the video. Golf stick to the honda and both perform very similar. The 205 handles good but that version with the cat. kill the a lot of performance in a engine that small.
@@ToyotaAristo It's 10hp less, that isn't going to do jack fuck difference to the outcome. It would still be LAST.
I can close my eyes and know which one is the Honda interior view. Honda's engines are just unique and the best in the world
Yes
That line up would make for a great 24 hour race. Imagine how much fun it would be 😀👍
The opel would be in the wall after 2 hours. If it rained the 205 would kill several people
would have been a perfect test with all of them on the same tires.
And lined up in the grid the same
... and with the same driver. The Golf guy clearly moves out of the inside line to let the Nissan through
@@JendaHrbac The Peugeot and Honda are the best
they are all on the factory tires. if we are gona swap them lets start swapping shocks and exhausts to. the cars are either stock or they arnt
@@Conorsev based
Not sure why KZhead keeps recommending me these videos but my Japanese has improved dramatically
Has the 205 been neutered at the car vets?
*Eurobox FWD volume production car conundrum:* Double wisbone suspension offers more precise feel, good traction but terrible surface damping. MacPherson suspension offers superior damping but not as precise. Neither are particularly bad if set up right but all have to be done to a limited cost.
Love that Opel Kadett
If they had bring to the race the VW Gol GTI 16v 2.0. This would beat competition.
so also bring Civic 2.0 200ps :)
🔝 🔝 🔝 Da hora !
Holy crap, Tsuchiya looks hella young in this vid!
It's a very old video, even Gan-san looks young.
Wow best motoring is amazing :-0
Buena carrera 🇪🇸
Bellissimo video bellissimo test... Sono pienamente d accordo con Takeira.. Sul giudizio complessivo dell Opel kadett...!!!! 👍👌💯1⃣💫🏅💪💨💨
I had a Peugeot 1990 309GTI 130bhp back in the day and it was a lot slower than the 1989 Ford Escort RS turbo 132hp that I owned before, far superior brakes and chassis tho.
Rs would smoke them all.....
@@divljacina1 RS would be no match for the Pulsar NX and the Integra which all have more power and better chassis.
@@DabDabGoose well maybe power but chassis...and it has lsd box...
@@divljacina1 so does the pulsar and NX and the Integra has double wishbone suspension, it's no match.
@@divljacina1 Not a hope..RS Escorts were ripped apart by 1.6 Vtecs back in the day...I even remember a stock GT Turbo Starlet hammering one that was tweaked near 170 BHP.
I never knew the NX and the pulsar were that quick.
the pulsar is an absolute beast concerning the power to weigh ratio and the overall weight. the Nissan surprised me as well
They are not, especially the Nx. There's nothing on this "race" to prove a point. I never had drive a Pulsar, only the Corolla Gti, but i can't see how the end results do sense on any form. We should go for what each model had done back in the day. Like, the last car was the only Gr. A FWD that had done a podium on Monte Carlo rallye.
@@TheVentour79 this is a test of street cars, available at the dealer. whats the point of mentioning race cars? the cars as sold from the dealers are what we see on this video. not only that, but some of the cars are not even top trim. the pulsar and ne NX for example, were also available with the SR20 engine and upgraded brakes and suspension (i am not mentioning pulsar Gti-R since it was AWD so it would be unfair to compare)
@@dimosk7389 I bought an n15 pulsar sss two months ago. That comes with an sr20de and i must say it is a really fun car to drive. the handling is excellent when you put in some decent coilovers and the power fits the car really well. Yet to upgrade the brakes and put in a rear sway bar.
@@headchef5680 You're gonna love it, I have a N14 GTI since I was 19 (32 now) , I bought 8 more cars after that and to this day, its the only car I still have on my garage next to my GT86. They are a very good platform and surely an underrated car.
Шикарная передача !!!!
la 205 est la seule 8s, les autres sont des 16s. il aurait fallu la 309 gti 16s Mais se sont toutes de bonne voitures !
Aww man my first car was a 1993 Acura integra. I miss that car so much
To be fair to the Peugeot, it is a class below all the other cars, and should probably be racing against things like the polo G40, Metro GTi and Nova GTE
Absolutely not The 205 1.9 and 1.6 before it was always the main competition for the golf along with the xr3i The cars you mention are smaller engined cars.
Had a UK sunny GTi….ended up with a GTiR engine and gearbox couldn’t handle it.
Результат предсказуем! Я сразу ставил на Nissan Pulsar/Primera - хорошее соотношение мощности, веса, управляимости и передаточных чисел, а также короткая колёсная база даёт преимущества в поворотах. Думал что Honda Integra нехватит мощности и она будет третьей, а Nissan NX будет вторым, но видимо водила на Integra постоянно выкручивал двигатель и сделал NX.
The 309 GTI 16 was the proper competitor in front of the Kadett GSi and the Golf GTI 16V. The 205 GTI is the only car here thats has a 8 valve engine.
Oh what a suprise result. Not sure who was driving the Opel and the 205, but the 205 is really quick, easily capable of keeping up with a Golf.
Respect for all.
10:31 ROFL "This car is either going to eventually turn, or I'll melt the tires off and understeer into the barrier. I honestly couldn't care less which way the situation goes at this point." 12:18 Finally some oversteer to go with all that understeer. Tokyo must've thought there were a bunch of tie fighters entering the atmosphere, "do you hear that awful screeching sound? Where is it coming from?"
The European Sunny (Pulsar) had a 143hp SR20DE and a limited slip differential, coupled with perfect gearing. All that made it a very secure feel for driving fast. Even driving fast under heavy rain felt secure. The engine was awesome. But to keep up on small roads with the 205, it would have needed better tires. The 120hp version of the 205 is a joke, very sluggish compared to the 130hp. The chassis is a lot more fun than all the other cars, but once you reach it’s limits, your in deep trouble (more than the other cars here). The Golf…well not the fastest or best chassis…by far but a very good car. And just will not die whatever you do to it!
205 are death traps, that doesnt stop ppl from swapping them with stupid engines. You are absolutely right about it being loads of fun but very dangerous when limits are reached. Once you lose it, there is no easy recovery (when the rear lets go)
you never had sunny/pulsar if you state they had an LSD;p..no european sunny gti n14 or 100nx had one;p..unless you had a japanese pulsar..yet i doubt a lot if any of nissans (pulsar gti n 100nx)(even being genuine japanese) in this video had an LSD..unless it was added as an aftermarket upgrade (but i also don't think so, it would be unfair)..the only pusar that had an vLSD from the factory was N15vzr with SR16VE powerplant, or probably some other nissans as autech versions tuned by autech..never heard of any sunny/pulsar gti n14 or 100nx despite being SR18 or SR20 with a oem transmission with a lsd..there must b some mistake in the translation..can't be otherwise.
@@bonifacijus11 You are totally wrong! The Sunny Gti16 had an LSD as standard from factory for the french market...
@@zepedrofd didn't know that..though i'm not tend to believe that..why France was so special that it got sunnies gti with lsd in their transmissions while other countries like Germany, UK and the rest of Europe including Greece (were all sunnies plausibly were produced for Europe market) without?
@@bonifacijus11 When I bought mine, a red 1992 model, I did not know it had an LSD. But when I started having fun with it, I noticed that the car handled way different than what I was used to (gold gti, 205 gti, Super5 Gt Turbo). It handled like a 205 rallye car I had driven some time before that. I did my research and, for a reason I do not know, Nissan France imported all Sunny Gti16 with the LSD. I have numerous article for now and back then that confirm it, but it's all in french...
Man love those hot hatches. Really surprised where the Euro bunch ended up seeing as they invented the category.
To be fair the euro version of the Golf had an extra 15bhp, and the euro 205 had another 10 bhp.
@@agt155 not only that, the golf was already on the market for 7 years. But i honestly doubt the mk3 16v would've done better
@@agt155 the early 205 had more horsepower because it didn't have a catalysts. On later models they added the catalyst.
@@vwporschefreak97 Yes the later mk3 was a bit fat, but there was a VR6 version.
@@JackKello They also had a low compression engine which really sapped torque. If this was the european market model it would of been much different.
Does anyone know how they decide on the tires for each car? Is it the same model of tire that it comes with from the factory? Would be interesting to see some of the races with the cars all on the same tire
they are all on the factory tires. if we are gona swap them lets start swapping shocks and exhausts to. the cars are either stock or they arnt
The rolling of these cars are much serious than expected. Thats why all the owner replace the original damper & springs
As a nx owner, this made me smile
Opel❤
The Peugeot 205 GTi - Great looks - Good handling - Very lightweight - Underdog and then they put in an engine that barely beats pedaling... WHY?
Later/export models had a cat, dropped performance a lot, that's the problem here
I owned an NX2000 and it’s still one of the best cars I’ve ever owned
mais qui pilote la 205 ? c stevie wonder ?
6:33 is the race. You’re welcome
Very good!! However if the French's were represented by the Renault Clio 16S or the Renault 19 16s it may be different. The 205 was a "old" car back then.
Or at least the 309GTi16 or VW G60 ...
Why are there two audio tracks?
I am the only person I know who had a pulser 1.8 GTI. It was brilliant not fast but handaling was great LSD light great fun.
Kadett on C20XE?
Opel auf abgefahrenen winterreifen, Nissan pulsar auf Semislicks! 😜
Firstly puslar didn't had semi's and secondly thats how opel exported their cars to japan. Its not their problem they equiped cars with worse tires
My first car was a Golf 2, which I crashed. Then I bought a Renault R19, wich I crashed badly. Afterwards I got a Pulsar ("Sunny") which I think I didn't crash. The Nissan was the most fun to drive. though it had a 1,4 liter engine with 75 hp, if I remember correctly.
You need to stay off the road.
Would be nice to see a Clio Williams in that group
Все такие молодые ещё)
The integra was starting to climb up the ranks at the end.
"somehow dori-dori doesn't brake on the last corner" honda magic happens.
Nissan Pulsar and Honda Integra are so cool 👍
True OG‘s Sadly, time flies and gan san is old.. dori dori is not young anymore Makes me sad
Japan💪
Whoevers driving that 205 needs to have a word with themselves that should be out in front
Half of that cars will never catch the 205 gti on track. What a joke..
Mhm. Just like your comment. Be honest with yourself 205 became old fast once everybody else started making hot hatches.
I just realized the GTI was a 4 door. Probably would of had a different outcome if it were a 2 door. 🤷🏼 I really miss my 88' GTI. I don't know why I sold it. 🤔??? I'll never make that mistake again.
Honda the King of racing.
This 90's japanese vibe is so neat
Damm that intergra is fast being the smallest engine capacity and heaviest
That mustache looks like it has it's own timezone. 13:09.
The BSO???! that intro song its priceless
7:34 Vauxhall/Opel Head of Vehicle Dynamics: ".............................guys"
Where is the Alfa Romeo 33 quadrifoglio Verde?
now that everything is a two ton SUV
pulsar gti not 2.0 143ps sr20de ???only eu ?
and 100nx
You got my Sub off this video
this is the definition of paid for the whole tire im going to use the whole tire including the sidewall lol
Почему то напомнило игры серии Grand Turismo ) даже картинкой
Wow