How to draw a Golden Ratio Spiral

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How to construct Golden Rectangle and Golden Spiral.
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  • I'm glad I watched this till the end, I hadn't known about finding the center of the spiral

    @rootsxrocks@rootsxrocks4 жыл бұрын
    • you probably dont give a shit but does someone know a method to log back into an instagram account?? I was stupid forgot the login password. I would appreciate any tricks you can offer me!

      @kareemezra1350@kareemezra13502 жыл бұрын
    • yea it was mindblowing for me, watching golden rectangle by a mathematician makes you notice all the similarities to the universe

      @dondankleberg4965@dondankleberg4965 Жыл бұрын
  • Golden rotation + fingernails = badass stand ability

    @DrGoji@DrGoji6 жыл бұрын
  • Learning about the Golden Ratio is truly a golden experience

    @Gabsboy123@Gabsboy1233 жыл бұрын
    • Lesson 5

      @lokeypokey9744@lokeypokey97443 жыл бұрын
    • To be honest its pretty crazy noisy and bizzare

      @zeropie@zeropie3 жыл бұрын
    • Is that a jojo reverence

      @Spotol@Spotol3 жыл бұрын
    • @Data Redact the one w the talking map and monke?

      @alexgy.2773@alexgy.27732 жыл бұрын
    • @Data Redact that's in a lot of countries and quite popular

      @alexgy.2773@alexgy.27732 жыл бұрын
  • The comment section is 30% actual comments. 10% thanking Arthur for the video. 60% jojo *𝓡𝓞𝓣𝓐𝓣𝓘𝓞𝓝*

    @vintheguy@vintheguy5 жыл бұрын
    • Is the centre of rotation Super Smash Bros

      @Lucien_M@Lucien_M4 жыл бұрын
    • KAITEN

      @shmoppl3320@shmoppl33203 жыл бұрын
    • And they say you can’t just imagine a golden rectangle out to apply spin on the steel balls, such a liar!

      @okemowendibundesbank230@okemowendibundesbank2302 жыл бұрын
  • JoJo Fanbase has already touched this comment section

    @bizarreswordsman4389@bizarreswordsman43895 жыл бұрын
    • Johnny

      @antagonist1038@antagonist10384 жыл бұрын
    • (Kiras theme plays)

      @georgeruiz9211@georgeruiz92114 жыл бұрын
    • JoJo Fans' Third Bomb! "IS THAT A JOJO REFERENCE?"!

      @starplatinum2548@starplatinum25483 жыл бұрын
  • *Lesson 4*

    @manuelzelaya7816@manuelzelaya78165 жыл бұрын
    • Ah! The golden rectangle GYRO THATS SİCK

      @Rimed-eu9jl@Rimed-eu9jl4 жыл бұрын
    • R e s p e c c

      @user-mo1kf2ox7h@user-mo1kf2ox7h3 жыл бұрын
    • I think Mista wouldn't be fond of this comment

      @Gabsboy123@Gabsboy1233 жыл бұрын
  • Golden Spin Energy!

    @bruno0727@bruno07273 жыл бұрын
  • I'm here thanks to Jojo part 7.

    @Parambolumberienriatta@Parambolumberienriatta4 жыл бұрын
    • Same

      @ruelliotgd@ruelliotgd8 ай бұрын
  • Completed all your spirals for "fun" today - it's been 50 years since I completed Draughting! I use CAD now but needed a refresher on the "mechanics" for a Winter Solstice wood carving of a triple spiral or triskele. Very informative, well described and I especially like your visual animated tools.

    @SuperPeader@SuperPeader7 жыл бұрын
  • thankyou,gyro

    @kindman7854@kindman78544 жыл бұрын
  • Golden Expérience ! 🔥❤️🤗

    @slavengerdrmassepoyves-mar1969@slavengerdrmassepoyves-mar19692 жыл бұрын
  • imagine if youtube was available back when johnny is fighting valentine lol.

    @Pewbs@Pewbs5 жыл бұрын
  • Very well done. No nonsense. We need more serious stuff like this on the Tube. Thanks for sharing.

    @musamor75@musamor756 жыл бұрын
  • This freakin video simplifies golden ratio. I now understand it. Thank you.

    @zudiekarlbalundo5350@zudiekarlbalundo53504 жыл бұрын
  • This video is great but it fails to mention at step1; select any arc size more than half the square to locate the midpoint between C and D.

    @electrofrying1685@electrofrying16856 жыл бұрын
    • THANK YOU! I kept rewinding to see what the radius of the arcs should be lol

      @matthewward1346@matthewward13467 ай бұрын
    • What about the 3rd arc? How do we know how big it should be

      @jimbean7352@jimbean73524 ай бұрын
  • A Golden Thread emerged...thank you. My first study of this spiral, other than Tai Chi. I spent the day working on this with paper, compass and ruler; really thorough and satisfying.

    @johnwalker4642@johnwalker46423 жыл бұрын
  • arigato, gyro

    @fildrichz@fildrichz6 жыл бұрын
    • fildrichz grazie to my ancestors

      @DrGoji@DrGoji6 жыл бұрын
    • what

      @danielsniderman2090@danielsniderman20905 жыл бұрын
    • @@danielsniderman2090 it's a anime reference specifically jojo

      @lokeypokey9744@lokeypokey97443 жыл бұрын
    • @@lokeypokey9744 ANIME?!?

      @ZadDan95@ZadDan953 жыл бұрын
    • @@ZadDan95 no

      @lokeypokey9744@lokeypokey97443 жыл бұрын
  • Finally, I've found a Golden Rectangle and Golden Spiral on KZhead that is presented thoroughly, drawn correctly, and delivered in a Professional Production. I very much appreciate your efforts and sharing. Best Regards !

    @bethbartlett5692@bethbartlett56924 жыл бұрын
    • Wasnt it just, now Im off for a Golden Shower.

      @brunomckay1875@brunomckay18752 жыл бұрын
  • Wow!! I have watched several of these and this is by the far the easiest to understand. Thank you

    @ericsmith5104@ericsmith51046 жыл бұрын
  • Shapes and curves now have a mathematical reasoning behind them, great insight.

    @Desertduleler_88@Desertduleler_886 жыл бұрын
  • It is so beautiful and challenge for me. Thanks you so much.

    @athena09ish@athena09ish2 ай бұрын
  • OMG! That's epic! Thanks so much!

    @AnTran-or1ur@AnTran-or1ur7 жыл бұрын
  • Thank you. It has helped me a lot in teaching my students in architectural drafting. :)

    @poimenadj@poimenadj4 жыл бұрын
  • Excellent clarity. Geometry is so enjoyable when a genius teaches it👌🏽👍🌹🙏

    @sidd5547@sidd55474 жыл бұрын
  • So can you teach me to the use the spin

    @jammyjamzz@jammyjamzz5 жыл бұрын
  • Finally a clear explanation!

    @al7385@al7385 Жыл бұрын
  • wow, best illustration I have seen yet, thank you.

    @janinelindgren109@janinelindgren1093 жыл бұрын
  • This is very precise and helpful, I can't figure out why someone would downvote this video. Please keep up the good work.

    @SarbbottamBandyopadhyay@SarbbottamBandyopadhyay3 жыл бұрын
    • Because he didn’t draw it.

      @lelandtebo9016@lelandtebo9016 Жыл бұрын
  • Excellent explanation. Thank you so much sir. 😊🙏🏽

    @supriyasha2543@supriyasha25435 жыл бұрын
  • Great refresher lesson. Thank you.

    @SammyTheSituation@SammyTheSituation3 жыл бұрын
  • its very helpful. we just did it today and its a great help for me thanks

    @schrodingerthomson3532@schrodingerthomson35327 жыл бұрын
  • HI, well explained! just wondering how do you apply this to mies van der rohe (s.r. crown hall and villa Tugendhat)? i tried to apply this but it seems ive done something wrong

    @alexp535@alexp5356 жыл бұрын
  • Thank you. It helped me a lot

    @krishagarwal4761@krishagarwal47617 жыл бұрын
  • Really appreciate this video. Thanks Arthurgeometry very much, most helpful

    @skyfrequency615@skyfrequency6157 жыл бұрын
  • Well done Arthur, Thank You.

    @greg6107@greg61077 жыл бұрын
  • Thanks for sharing golden ratio in the best possible way. Regards

    @scholab1319@scholab13193 жыл бұрын
  • Well taught - thank you much !

    @jbaumun@jbaumun4 жыл бұрын
  • Great video. You could have called it a day at the three minute mark, you explain it perfectly!

    @rioreason@rioreason7 жыл бұрын
  • Extraordinary!

    @philochristos@philochristos4 жыл бұрын
  • Ah the golden rectangle

    @iamfiq6763@iamfiq67635 жыл бұрын
    • Bruh

      @Rimed-eu9jl@Rimed-eu9jl4 жыл бұрын
    • kzhead.info/sun/paVto6VpepuXoZE/bejne.html

      @xavierk9047@xavierk90473 жыл бұрын
    • tusk get the ora ora

      @RuinaVX@RuinaVX3 жыл бұрын
  • So , I showed my version to my technology art teacher , he didn't understand. And , I'm proud of that

    @ihyperuranium@ihyperuranium3 жыл бұрын
  • Thanks for this Arthur. What degree setting do you have the compass set at to draw all these circles? Or does any consistent degree setting work?

    @apollonia1000@apollonia10002 жыл бұрын
  • Thank you, it's really helpful.

    @smajum3@smajum36 жыл бұрын
  • This is an invitation to see a theory on the nature of time! In this theory we have an emergent uncertain future continuously coming into existence relative to the spontaneous absorption and emission of photon energy. In this process we even have an objective reason for the start of the Fibonacci numbers 0, 1, 1,... with the t = 0 and the positive +1 and negative -1 representing the positive and negative of electromagnetic waves with everything being based on one geometrical process. In this theory the future is not random it is based on a process of spherical symmetry forming and breaking. Spherical symmetry forms the low entropy that we see if we look back in time at the ‘big bang’ and also forms the potential for ever greater symmetry formation that we have in cell life with the Fibonacci spiral being visible almost everywhere in nature! This is because if the quantum wave particle function Ψ or probability function is reformulated as a linear vector then all the information I have found says that each new vector is formed by adding the two previous vectors together this forms the Fibonacci Sequence 0, 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34, 55, 89, 144, ∞ infinity!

    @Dyslexic-Artist-Theory-on-Time@Dyslexic-Artist-Theory-on-Time5 жыл бұрын
  • Classical geometric construction. Same way how Greek geometers might have constructed it. Very nice, thx.

    @tubefish666@tubefish6666 жыл бұрын
    • Na, Fibonacci was an italian mathematician, not a greek. What is drawn is the Fibonacci spiral, not the golden spiral. However it's the closest approximation of the golden spiral from that time we know about. He lived around 1200. Though of course we cannot exclude the possibility the greeks did so already over 1000 years before him, we don't have any evidence of them doing so.

      @BlacksmithTWD@BlacksmithTWD2 жыл бұрын
  • Thanks alot. Very easy to follow along

    @bradtoombsey2394@bradtoombsey2394 Жыл бұрын
  • 10/10 -IGN #niceshirt

    @olaf5156@olaf51568 жыл бұрын
  • Thank you, Sensei!!!

    @schizodj@schizodj4 жыл бұрын
  • So cool how this is all done without any numbers

    @chucksaduck@chucksaduck Жыл бұрын
  • everybody gangsta till the italian executioner says : 「L E S S O N 4」

    @apen3493@apen34933 жыл бұрын
  • Thankyou helpful demonstration..

    @spotonlevel5629@spotonlevel56292 жыл бұрын
  • Thank you!

    @TWIFAFWTFU@TWIFAFWTFU6 жыл бұрын
  • Beautiful TY!

    @wilsoncely1630@wilsoncely16302 жыл бұрын
  • I have a hobby for drawing. This is excellent video I have watched, with clarity of diction. With regards, and thanks. bs

    @BalwantSingh-hs3zc@BalwantSingh-hs3zc3 жыл бұрын
  • Genius🔥🔥🔥

    @CASH-TO-THE-MERE101@CASH-TO-THE-MERE1014 жыл бұрын
  • Pay Your Respects

    @SlippinmyJimmy@SlippinmyJimmy5 жыл бұрын
  • Just wow.

    @ymeraliu7723@ymeraliu7723 Жыл бұрын
  • thank you so much

    @besteriophonic@besteriophonic4 жыл бұрын
  • good explanation thanks

    @steveguerrero9707@steveguerrero97074 ай бұрын
  • Beautiful

    @brianvasquez6834@brianvasquez68347 жыл бұрын
  • Thanks bro

    @lukasspfc18@lukasspfc187 жыл бұрын
  • Let me guess, some number by 1.618, then sqare, quarter inscriberd, then keep dividing down, if you have ever went from a circular outside on lathe (plate) with a marker, down to the center in exactly 1 revolution, it looks like a more concentric golden ratio spiral, I wonder what it would look like to plot square over a quarter inscribed circle sections,

    @ryanb1874@ryanb18742 жыл бұрын
  • Is the golden angle of 137.5... degrees visible in here anywhere? The center of the spiral at the very end is great, most representations stop at two equal tiny squares, but the centering feels like we're really locking into infinity.

    @erawanpencil@erawanpencil14 күн бұрын
  • Is this a jojo refrence

    @dranoelarios4788@dranoelarios47887 жыл бұрын
    • Tell him to go eat shit Johnny

      @OwO-zd5dw@OwO-zd5dw6 жыл бұрын
    • Okikustsuki69 tell him yourself

      @DrGoji@DrGoji6 жыл бұрын
    • Go eat shit! Fall off your horse!

      @mawaru7733@mawaru77335 жыл бұрын
    • no idiot

      @danielsniderman2090@danielsniderman20905 жыл бұрын
    • Daniel Sniderman yes it is u uncultured swine

      @moonrock8831@moonrock88314 жыл бұрын
  • thank you

    @laylaejjaga7993@laylaejjaga79936 жыл бұрын
  • Never thought about getting a tattoo, but l'm thinking about getting a golden spiral.

    @gcxred4kat9@gcxred4kat94 жыл бұрын
  • Great!

    @traditionalateliers@traditionalateliers5 жыл бұрын
  • Good video for youtube

    @mirelabilic4904@mirelabilic49044 жыл бұрын
  • Very clear

    @knkee5434@knkee54343 жыл бұрын
  • Thank you

    @nickrodis6862@nickrodis6862 Жыл бұрын
  • Great video. One question. I imagined the spiral to have a constantly changing radius, but in the method used in the video, the radius appears constant within a specific rectangle, then changes to another constant in the subsequent rectangle(s). Can someone clarify this for me? Thanks

    @gcw9192@gcw91926 жыл бұрын
    • *Hint:* Constants are called "constant" because they are _constant_ i.e they don't change..

      @SineEyed@SineEyed4 жыл бұрын
    • GCW 919 🔥

      @CASH-TO-THE-MERE101@CASH-TO-THE-MERE1014 жыл бұрын
    • Yes I was also wondering if it's a simplification for easy drawing, and if yes, how different it is from the actual golden spiral? Anyone ? PS : thanks Arthur for the very good video!

      @Xylophron@Xylophron3 жыл бұрын
    • @@Xylophron Yes this is a simplification of the golden spriral, however, this approximation is about as close to it as a program like autocat can get (as it has to work with quarter circles). To get a real golden spiral one needs to be able to draw arches with a declining radius, one cannot do that with a compass. It could be done by using a cone and wrapping a cord around it while having a pencil drawing from within a loop at the far side of the cord. However I'm not sure how to calculate the angle in the top of the cone in relation with the hight of the cone, the thickness of the cord used and the starting lenght of the cord. Those are four variables that all need to be right to draw a real golden spiral this way.

      @BlacksmithTWD@BlacksmithTWD2 жыл бұрын
    • @@SineEyed The distance between the arches compared to the distance between the next arches or previous arches is constant in logarithmic spirals, which includes the golden spiral (where the ratio of these is the golden ratio). However, the spiral drawn in this video is not the golden spiral, it's not even a logarithmic spiral, instead it's the Fibonacci spiral, which merely is an approximation of the golden spiral. With the Fibonacci spiral in each arch going around the centre 360 degrees only 5 points match the actual golden spiral (which are at the corners of the rectangles in this video).

      @BlacksmithTWD@BlacksmithTWD2 жыл бұрын
  • thanks!

    @WonderingAboutThat@WonderingAboutThat5 жыл бұрын
  • How do you ensure you are doing the straight lines at 90 degree angles?

    @marlan5470@marlan5470 Жыл бұрын
  • Hi, Can you do a tutorial for drawing the krystal spiral?

    @ari-athbadminton0301@ari-athbadminton03013 жыл бұрын
  • thanks ..

    @SufyanAr@SufyanAr7 жыл бұрын
  • thankyou

    @likun54@likun547 жыл бұрын
  • thanks

    @danijelavulin5552@danijelavulin55527 жыл бұрын
  • GOLDEN ROTATION

    @ajd8650@ajd86505 жыл бұрын
    • *ratio

      @danielsniderman2090@danielsniderman20905 жыл бұрын
    • @@danielsniderman2090 Get lost...

      @MiuMiuMau-ne4hz@MiuMiuMau-ne4hz5 жыл бұрын
  • Thank You

    @gihankaushalya2876@gihankaushalya28763 жыл бұрын
  • Subhanallah!What a Creator!

    @meru7591@meru75914 жыл бұрын
  • The association of the main numbers in the field of mathematics with each other, reflects numerical sequences that correspond to the dimensions of the Earth, the Moon, and the Sun in the unit of measurement in meters, which is: 1' (second) / 299792458 m/s (speed of light in a vacuum). Ramanujan number: 1,729 Earth's equatorial radius: 6,378 km. Golden number: 1.61803... • (1,729 x 6,378 x (10^-3)) ^1.61803 x (10^-3) = 3,474.18 Moon's diameter: 3,474 km. Ramanujan number: 1,729 Speed of light: 299,792,458 m/s Earth's Equatorial Diameter: 12,756 km. Earth's Equatorial Radius: 6,378 km. • (1,729 x 299,792,458) / 12,756 / 6,378) = 6,371 Earth's average radius: 6,371 km. The Cubit The cubit = Pi - phi^2 = 0.5236 Lunar distance: 384,400 km. (0.5236 x (10^6) - 384,400) x 10 = 1,392,000 Sun´s diameter: 1,392,000 km. Higgs Boson: 125.35 (GeV) Phi: 1.61803... (125.35 x (10^-1) - 1.61803) x (10^3) = 10,916.97 Circumference of the Moon: 10,916 km. Golden number: 1.618 Golden Angle: 137.5 Earth's equatorial radius: 6,378 Universal Gravitation G = 6.67 x 10^-11 N.m^2/kg^2. (((1.618 ^137.5) / 6,378) / 6.67) x (10^-20) = 12,756.62 Earth’s equatorial diameter: 12,756 km. The Euler Number is approximately: 2.71828... Newton’s law of gravitation: G = 6.67 x 10^-11 N.m^2/kg^2. Golden number: 1.618ɸ (2.71828 ^ 6.67) x 1.618 x 10 = 12,756.23 Earth’s equatorial diameter: 12,756 km. Planck’s constant: 6.63 × 10-34 m2 kg. Circumference of the Moon: 10,916. Gold equation: 1,618 ɸ (((6.63 ^ (10,916 x 10^-4 )) x 1.618 x (10^3)= 12,756.82 Earth’s equatorial diameter: 12,756 km. Planck's temperature: 1.41679 x 10^32 Kelvin. Newton’s law of gravitation: G = 6.67 x 10^-11 N.m^2/kg^2. Speed of Sound: 340.29 m/s (1.41679 ^ 6.67) x 340.29 - 1 = 3,474.81 Moon's diameter:: 3,474 km. Cosmic microwave background radiation: 2.725 kelvins 160.4 GHz, Pi: 3.14 Earth's polar radius: 6,357 km. ((2,725 x 160.4) / 3.14 x (10^4) - (6,357 x 10^-3) = 1,392,000 The diameter of the Sun: 1,392,000 km. Numbers 3, 6 & 9 - Nikola Tesla One Parsec = 206265 AU = 3.26 light-years = 3.086 × 10^13 km. The Numbers: 3, 6 and 9 ((3^6) x 9) - (3.086 x (10^3)) -1 = 3,474 The Moon's diameter: 3,474 km. Now we will use the diameter of the Moon. Moon's diameter: 3,474 km. (3.474 + 369 + 1) x (10^2) = 384,400 The term L.D (Lunar Distance) refers to the average distance between the Earth and the Moon, which is 384,400 km. Moon's diameter: 3,474 km. ((3+6+9) x 3 x 6 x 9) - 9 - 3 + 3,474 = 6,378 Earth's equatorial radius: 6,378 km. Orion: The Connection between Heaven and Earth eBook

    @carlosalexandreFAT@carlosalexandreFAT Жыл бұрын
  • Awesome

    @fazeelyoosaf2044@fazeelyoosaf20443 жыл бұрын
  • How do you measure the arc

    @jimbean7352@jimbean73524 ай бұрын
  • This tutorial is awesome ,but can anyone please tell at the beginning from C to D ,is it half the square for cutting the arcs? But it looks more than half

    @pnutdraws@pnutdraws7 жыл бұрын
    • Real-time window so say if C and D is 10 centimetre ,so i should adjust the compus to 5cm and draw it right?

      @pnutdraws@pnutdraws7 жыл бұрын
    • Time-lapse window thnks! :D

      @pnutdraws@pnutdraws7 жыл бұрын
  • thx very useful. but I still cant understand how u measured the first arc radius!

    @rezaVfx@rezaVfx4 жыл бұрын
    • You don't need to, the radius of the first two circles drawn only needs to be longer than half the squares sides in order to draw the line perpendicular to and in the centre of the squares side.

      @BlacksmithTWD@BlacksmithTWD2 жыл бұрын
  • Hi , your videos are really good . Could you please do the theodorus cycle Please

    @gamekingkhandelwal3807@gamekingkhandelwal3807 Жыл бұрын
  • 🙏🙏🙏

    @1973yogesh@1973yogesh4 ай бұрын
  • Tusk Act4

    @xeroredgamer4008@xeroredgamer40084 жыл бұрын
  • We wer made to live forever

    @tonyterpine5690@tonyterpine56903 жыл бұрын
  • Good tutorial

    @DuongNguyenDelta@DuongNguyenDelta7 жыл бұрын
  • Arigato, gyro

    @Sokreah@Sokreah Жыл бұрын
  • Propre

    @kakagachezoume3473@kakagachezoume34733 жыл бұрын
  • Perpendicular line to obtain 4th vertex of original golden rectangle wasn't CONSTRUCTED, but merely eyeballed.

    @mathedmaven@mathedmaven6 жыл бұрын
    • Nor is it the golden spiral but instead it is the Fibonacci spiral.

      @BlacksmithTWD@BlacksmithTWD2 жыл бұрын
  • Nice vid, dont mind the presidents, fingernails or steel balls

    @georgeruiz9211@georgeruiz92114 жыл бұрын
  • is this pure construction

    @shakeelashakeela8150@shakeelashakeela81505 жыл бұрын
  • Arigato Gyro

    @belg8789@belg87893 жыл бұрын
  • but what should the measurement be from point c to d when you start out

    @get2bxl@get2bxl8 жыл бұрын
    • Hi Thanks for your question. The length from point c to d is the length of the side of the given square. This length can be any length depending on the size of the square you start with.

      @ArthurGeometry@ArthurGeometry8 жыл бұрын
    • yep, any size you want! :D It's a square :)

      @brothermaleuspraetor9505@brothermaleuspraetor95057 жыл бұрын
  • similar to Scorpion tail.

    @rezamiau@rezamiau5 жыл бұрын
  • Sir, can u help me to find out the Golden Ratio in the size of 22.4 cm.x 9.2 cm of Rectangle. I'm confused to find out.

    @koteshwariyer9828@koteshwariyer98283 жыл бұрын
    • approximately the golden ratio is 1.618033988749894. Meaning that if you want a rectangle with the golden ratio where the short side is 9.2 cm. then the longer side needs to be about 1.618033988749894 * 9.2 cm = 14.8859126964990248 cm. So no you cannot have a golden ratio rectangle of 22.4 cm * 9.2 cm, since 22.4 : 9.2 is about 2,4347826086956521739130434782609, which does not equal the golden ratio of about 1.618033988749894.

      @BlacksmithTWD@BlacksmithTWD2 жыл бұрын
  • What was the dimensions of your starting square?

    @alexelinson38@alexelinson382 жыл бұрын
    • You choose. For example, 10 cm.

      @ArthurGeometry@ArthurGeometry2 жыл бұрын
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