2023 Honda Accord | The Art of Normal Cars
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In this review, we discuss the new 2023 Honda Accord Hybrid. In the quest to improve and be more accessible, the new car checks every box; however, is being this normal good formula. We detail the engineering changes and the details of what makes the Accord good and bad. Others to consider are Nissan Altima, Kia K5, Toyota Camry, and Toyota Crown.
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Index:
00:00 Interior and Exterior
3:00 Mechanical Impressions
7:03 Driving Impressions
12:06 Final Thoughts
I do feel like the current Civic has taken over the role of the Accords of yore. Here's to hoping the future Civic Hybrid will hit similar efficiency numbers to this hybrid Accord.
That' a good point. The current Civic is about the same size as the 7th gen Accord.
Yeah good point. 🎉 I like the simplicity of old Accords!
Yea I was looking at a used Avalon earlier this year, but the Accord is now basically the same size and was cheaper to buy new.
I hope honda brings back in north America a small sedan. Best way to get new customers and something economic
@@cedrikpelletier5735 100%. We need a new subcompact to replace the spot of the old Civic 😂 Bring back the Fit!
"Mark, I've activated sport mode in our Honda Accord Sport Hybrid." Mark - "Why???" Mark's dry and real questioning was funny as hell.
I think I heard Mark's soul crying when Jack said it sounded like VTEC, even though he was just joking.
7:06 Yes, just the tone of "why?," is so funny.
My father has been an Accord addict for 30 years and he absolutely loves the regenerative paddles/fuel economy and the interior of this generation. 47mpg real world fuel economy over the first 5k miles, and it’s quiet and comfortable on 17” wheels on his 2023 EX-L. Plus, he has a lot of fun using the paddles on his mountain drives. Love you, Dad.❤
I think I would’ve liked your chunkier wheels compared to my Touring ones. They look real nice but I want softness.
i love your dad too
@@norteneroI'd be willing to pay extra for the smaller diameter wheels, and bought my 2020 when I'd learned the 2021s wouldn't have it in the trim I was interested in. I can't be the only one who hates the modern low profile tire obsession.
@@povlife7024I love him too
@@ahwhite1398I don't understand the massive obsession with how almost every vehicle needs low profile tires 90 % won't even be at the track
As I've become older, I've come to appreciate more things (people, even places) that are self-aware. This car knows what it's purpose is, and is not trying to be anything else. It's the keystone light of the car world. Always smooth . Keith Stone approved.
I've learned to buy the car you'll love 95% of the time and to rent the car you need to fulfill the 5%.....very good review, objective and right on point.
Exactly. I traded in the ‘19 Accord Touring 2.0T for the same reason. This is a much better overall car.
Exactly how I feel about pickups. People are paying 100k for pickups they use as cars 99% of the time
@@portageedude4154 yes but you can fit 2 gallons of milk in their center consoles, Alex said it
@@portageedude4154 pickup and suv drivers just like the higher ride height.
@@kkp4297 but when _everybody_ drives pickups and SUVs, nobody has a higher ride height
Tbh because it’s so simple it’ll probably age way better
Totally agree.
That's how Hondas tend to be. I wish it would look less generic tho by giving it a little bit more details.
I really think it looks great, much more in line with the "golden years" of the Accord IMO.
@@39rbn61it just needs a facelift (headlights/grille)
theres a diff between simple and bland
Honda tends to alternate between aggressive and conservative designs with each generation on the Accord.
Yeah, but the last gen was not aggressive at all. 9th gen looked great.
same on Civic
@@Ac_AdapterEither a 15 year old or a literal clown must have designed that generation. Horrendous
The 2018 was a favorite among the mumble rap zoomers. Normal people used to drive Hondas, idk what happened
There has never, ever been a Honda Accord you could call "aggressive" in terms of design.
For those of you interested in fuel economy, allow me to share some real world numbers. In 3000 miles since new, our Touring model is at 46.2mpg. This is driving like a sane 64 year old in ECO mode with about a 50/50 mix of city/highway driving. In the last 2500 miles (excluding the early miles during a cold month of March and break-in), it has averaged 48mpg. I have taken several trips of over 100 miles, mostly highway speeds of 60-75 where it has gotten at or near 50mpg. I am sure the lower hybrid trims with smaller wheels and tires would get 3-4 mpg better.
These guys are just so sensible. I hope this channel just grows and grows Cheers!
I love how this car looks. I feel like it’s silly when regular commuter cars try to look overly sporty. It just looks classy to me. It’s a shame they dropped the 2.0t but for the majority of people buying these that doesn’t matter.
I’m glad I snagged the 2.0 before they dropped it! It’s a gem
The deal breaker for me on these has always been how shockingly loud they are inside. The tire noise is absolutely exhausting and even comes through in this video.
THIS is Honda's biggest issue
And this is hybrid version, i tried 1.5 turbo base trim and its horrendous
Think a lot of that is because wheels are getting so big
As 2023 civic owner I can agree. Improved NVH my ass. Rough roads kill Hondas. It is quiet only in EV mode and new asphalt. Though I like how isolated the engine is compared to rattly toyota/lexus hybrids.
tje thing is I really dont have this problem on my Honda accord 2011 with michelin tires, this is the eu spec car. It´s more quiet then my Passat B8 2017 with Hankook tires
The styling is going to age well.
agree totally...
I've owned various Honda and Acura sedans as my daily drivers for over 20 years now beginning when I turned 30; marking a willingness to except boring ol'e reliability over V8 6 speed bravado that always had a way of ending up on a flatbed. Yes, everything you said about Honda being very vanilla ,while being mechanically well executed, is what's defined the brand for a long time. If you want a less boring yet equally perfect (mechanically) car then buy an Acura - Honda's excitement brand. I work for a Japanese company and its amazing how different there business philosophy is compared to the typical stakeholder capitalism focus we see in the American auto industry. Honda's goals and vision are more focused on making the world a better place through automobiles, than maximizing shareholder value. The Accord as a platform has always been a highly reliable, high quality and conservatively styled platform for generations. Using the Ford Taurus as an example of how time after time the Big Three have taken a sedan that was a top seller and quickly identified area's that can be cheapened and then over a 5 year run maximize the profit per unit to the point that its soul is gone and consumers won't buy it because its garbage. I've owned fast cars, loud cars, expensive and cheap cars, but at the end of the day its Honda's commitment to good ole boring reliability that keeps me coming back every 10 years for another one.
Look at it this way You want have German repair bills - the worst thing I ever did was get rid of a Lexus to get a BMW, As I get older I value reliability over everything - you are only going to make so much money in life - do you want to waste it on Huge repair bills - When people stop buying unreliable cars maybe the germans will get the message I am in the market for an Acura or Lexus because my BMW is failing apart at 68,00 mile and I took great care of it They break down while parked- They are not designed to last past the lease cycle
My dad would agree. He traded in his 3 series BMW, for a Lexus RX.
Very happy with my 23 Touring. It's comfortable, feels near luxury, and gets approximately 48 mpg. The infotainment system is excellent, and the Bose audio sounds very good.
How is the acceleration?
@@haidarmohammed8450 It's not a fast car by any means however it merges onto the highway or passes with ease.
Got one too. Love the car!
@@haidarmohammed8450acceleration is fine, but you don't get this car for 0-60 performance. Nonetheless, the Touring model has enough power
The previous generation accord was very striking, especially at night when all the lights are illuminated. This new gen looks like it was inspired by an Impala/Malibu front with a Volvo S90 butt.
Especially in the Still Night color, that deep blue. That's what I had on my 2.0t, loved that car.
@@richardnavratil9661I had a tough time picking a color between the Still Night, red, pearl white and I ended up choosing sonic grey pearl. Hybrid sport. Chose hybrid just for the fuel economy still added front, side and rear skirts. Rear lights. Dark tint. Great looking sedan. Now I need vossens.
It looks like a Hyundai Elantra lol I have the previous gen
Agree
Ugly
Nice review. I had the previous gen Accord 2.0T Sport 10-spd, it was a good car, some sportiness, great commuter car, roomy and everything worked well. I see this Accord as a well made commuter car but Honda traded the sportiness for more refinement. I think it would make a great car for someone who just puts a ton a miles on the car but also wants a good quality automobile. I like the no nonsense reviews, keep up the good work!
Love your videos, as many others have said you guys are the best in the business. I religiously watch all the content that is released. Having owned this car but in the “High Bird,” Touring trim, I can honestly say I love the car. I have driven much faster cars, but they lack something, some “secret sauce” this car holds. Here you get in and don’t think about the craziness of life. You simply drive on to the next chapter of your life. All around great vehicle; having owned more than 5 Camry’s including a V6 Camry, this Accord is best! Appreciate all your hard work you and the team use for every video. Loyal follower since when you first started awkwardly back in the day! Coming from the canyon roads of California!
Also, I realize that I’d be one of the 5 people who would buy it…but I’d love a wagon version of this car.
I agree Jay, I want a wagon, preferably a sportwagon. The only way to get one now is to spend 65K or more.
Dream on
Noone bought the crosstour or zdx so keep dreaming lol
I think most sedan buyers could be swayed as wagon buyers if they'd just get over the stigma they seem to carry.
The existence of an accord or TLX wagon would have heavily swayed me in my decision on my 6 speed Integra. Been loving my car through the 22,000 miles in the last few months but I always wonder what a full wagon would be like to live and work with.
Saw one of these today. Wife said it looks ugly but the light bar across looked catchy. This car looks like the designers didn’t know when to stop when the car started to look like half an Acura half a Honda. I’m glad I still own my 2014 EXL V6 sedan with a VTEC engine paired with a Borla catback with less than 50k miles on it.
I’ve seen a lot of these already so it’s good to see at least one sedan selling well still.
I was the first in my neighborhood and now in two months I’ve seen two driving around. I love that!
Ill say this again: Savage Geese does the best car reviews. The guys have an understanding of mechanics and engineering plus interesting test drives where they are not afraid of disagreeing.
I’ve had my Touring since March and I love it. It really feels like an entry-level luxury car with great MPG and Honda reliability
My last car was a Pontiac G8 GT. I'm now driving the Accord EX-L hybrid. Nope, it's not as fast as the G8 but it's no slouch. Even the non-sport hybrid has a surprisingly quick low speed launch. Handling is excellent for daily driving. Absolute joy to drive, and I'm *averaging* 49.6 mpg in very mixed driving over the past 3 months. Curious to see what impact freezing temps have on it, as I'm sure it'll drop.
I rented a 2019 Accord in Houston last week for a week, and put on 1500mi in a week. It was so refined, and convenient to use, I loved it. It had 192hp and I didn’t need anymore power to pass those crazy Texas drivers 😬. Honda and Acura was never on my list, but I’m going to check out the newer cars when it’s time to upgrade.
just curious, what brands are in your list that never included Honda?
How you driven any sedan between 300hp and 400HP? Sure you don't need it but is it fun to have to utilize once in a while. We spend so much of our time in our cars these days, why not pay a bit more and get something engaging?
@@DaGoook Who needs 400HP to commute? Not everyone is obsessed with a 0-60
@@disco.lemonadeDoesn't have to be about 0-60 tinker bell . My wife's 330 hp g37 is just plain more engaging to drive than my 280 hp accord sedan . It has more power through the Rev range and is more pleasant to drive even at 1/2 throttle .
@@DaGoook the problem with 300 - 400hp is that it's usually a luxury sedan with turbos attached, meaning it's going to be very pricey. Pricey enough that most people will just pass it up and get a newer SUV or truck.
I'm glad you stress one of the things Honda is doing really well know which is doing simple controls. So many companies have moved towards overly complex controls but Honda has centered user friendliness and it may not be glamorous but it works so well which really is what you want.
I’ll never understand the lack of rear seat air vents on the lower trims especially when available on the top trim. Thanks for the great content.
It's cheaper
My 08 accord EX doesn’t have air vents in the back but the front vents cool the vehicle sufficiently
Money
Especially a car that size.
Long time channel supporter, this is by far the best HDR picture quality car channel, so good that I now watch your videos on my tvs instead of tiny iphone screens. Appreciate all your works and details on the chassis.
The v6 was an absolute blast. So much fun. Power all day.
your stuck back in time,
@@angusp5515 it was a blast. I ain’t stuck. I sold that shit years ago.
Last rental car I had was a brand new accord. It was fantastic. Easy driver and quiet. I went back to my Lexus IS F and immediately felt it’s age.
I'm curious to hear, what are you referring to on age? The tech? That's a very, very different kind of car to compare to a 4 cylinder hybrid Accord.
IS-F is wayyy more fun lol
@@MathuCampbellnot really. An accord is as fun as a 3 series and performance isn’t far off but it’s far more engaging to drive than the Lexus
@@aprtur The platform, frame, interior, suspension, and lastly transmission. My IS F was 16 years old and I drove it for about 3 years. Just sold it two weeks ago and I have zero regrets.
@@MathuCampbell Honestly not really. V8 power is fun but you can’t even use it on the street. Slow car fast.
I like its simple, smooth, well integrated lines: more like an Audi than a Lexus. Accord is hard to beat as a daily beater.
IMO Honda consistently makes better looking cars than they do for Acura.
😂it has down syndrome. As a 4th Honda purchase, I bought an Acura. I just wouldn't be caught dead in it.
We leased a 23 sport hybrid a few months ago and I agree with basically all your points - it's a very smooth, efficient, practical car. It is not a fun car, and you can tell that's not what Honda was going for - but they definitely nailed what they WERE going for.
Hmm, do you think this is better than Lexus ES hybrid?
@@wyw201 I’ve never driven the ES so I can’t say, but I’d assume it to be much more luxurious since Lexus is an actual luxury brand and Honda isn’t, but the ES costs $15-20k more, so probably not a real fair comparison
I rented one of these via Turo last month and kinda fell in love. It's not fast, but it's fast enough. It's not sporty, but it's sporty enough. It's not sexy, but...okay it's not sexy at all, but it was so enjoyable to drive. Oh, and I put near 200 miles on it driving all around Orlando, and when I filled it up before returning it, I only had to put in four gallons.
I liked the styling of the previous generation a lot better. The way the the Accord looks now... I don't think I could be convinced to buy one.
Looks like a hatchback. Butt ugly
And I'd kill to have seen a coupe variant of both the previous-generation and this one. I definitely like the previous design way better. It was one of the best looking sedans on the road, in my opinion, but I think this would look stellar as a coupe with the ultra simple design. Of course, that can and will never happen in the modern age.
@@shanec9672 it already has the shape of a coupe it's just absolutely ugly with 4 doors. Looks like a freaking five-door hatchback.
I have no idea why not to make it a lyftback. It would have much more sense
@@kosta2177nvh is much easier to control in sedans, that's one reason.
I've traded in my 2019 BMW 540 for an EX-L Accord after watching this video and to be honest there is not much to complain about.
are seats more comfortable? bmw is known for back breaking seats in the newer generations (F and G gen)
@@TK-gd9td IMHO in terms of comfort/support BMW seat is better as it has way more adjustments, but in terms of seat material Accord is surprisingly ahead, mine 540i had base dakota leather which appeared to be quite mediocre to be honest
I'm glad you guys revisited this car. It's nice to see a second opinion after some time
Not sure why all the hate?! The simple less sporty styling is why I'm finally convinced in buying an Accord
This is easily the best review of this car that I have seen. The perfect blend of objectivity and subjectivity, and it definitely allowed me to see the appeal of this car, despite my initial reservations. Every car I’ve owned has been an Accord (‘98 V6, ‘04 4-Cyl, and currently a ‘14 V6). I will say that the loss of the sporty appeal will most likely keep me from considering this generation.
This whole new generation Honda lineup is just meant to make the hybrid options look the most appealing, and it is working well for them. Especially with no high power option available currently.
Great video and review! After owning my beloved BMW 328xi for almost 13 years, I went back to Honda and love my ‘23 Accord Touring Hybrid (owned an Acura, 2 Accords and an Odyssey in the past). I don’t think the design is generic or boring and I’d rather have simple but luxurious than stylish but basic. Looking forward to your next video, thanks!
You guys do the BEST videography and editing! And OMG!!! The new intro-music is KILLER!! WHAT SONG IS THAT????!!!
I really like the new looks actually. Especially in the offered blue color it looks great.
Man, I really like the styling on this. It’s clean, classic, and quiet. Making me regret my Integra, since it took me about 6 months to get over the ‘fun to drive dynamics’ (admittedly not that amazingly fun, but it’s not bad). I kind of just want the quiet and smooth now for the 98% of the driving I do normally.
Another Integra owner here. I am wondering about this too. Though I just took mine up in the mountains and it proved far sportier than I expected. Not sure the Accord would pull that off with me feeling confident it would not go off the road. But, I like the idea of getting this kind of mpg all of the time, not just on the highway. I have not looked into how much our cars are worth.
the accords are sporty too, but compared to civic/integra you can definitely feel the weight when breaking, or in tighter corners @@JustinConley
My neighbor got one of these recently, when I saw it I was shocked that the badge got smaller for once!
i recently moved to San Francisco for college and on my way (and in the city) here, i've already seen countless new Accords/CRVs-- even Pilots-- drive past. whatever honda's doing recently, it's working WELL
I am seeing tons of Hondas and Acuras everywhere. Just did a road trip from WI to WY and back and saw them everywhere. I even saw multiple Passports.
The perfect car for people that don't care about cars.
I have a 2023 Accord Hybrid touring in black and I absolutely love this car. This new gen looks so much better than the last in my opinion. I prefer the "simpler look" rather than last gen had a lot of going on outside. I'm only going to the gas station once a month and this is the best daily dar. Great job Honda 👏🏻
Still wish they offered an accord wagon in the US. This would be perfect.
@savagegeese, do you recommend Accord Hybrid or Camry Hybrid for 2023? Do I throw in the 2023 Prius for contention as well or do you consider that a different market with it being significantly smaller in backseat room?
I owned a 2001 Accord. I never thought of it as a sporty car, even though it had a 200hp V6. It was a great car. It was very reliable and got me where I wanted to go in comfort. The understated styling and comfort of this new Accord fit that goal. I would have kept my 2001 Accord for longer except that some lunatic driver in Texas ran me off the road into a median at 65mph on the freeway. My Accord got mangled and was almost unrecognizable. I walked away with a couple of small burns on my wrists from the airbag and a stiff neck. My Accord saved my life.
They didn't really used to be sporty until like 2014 or so. They had some v6 coupe manuals that were quite quick, and then the 2018-2022 models with the 2.0t, especially if tuned, paired with the 10AT were super quick for the money.
@@neilquinnit depends how you define sporty. The 1990-2007 4cyl Accords had very good handling and steering feel, very fun on twisty mountain roads, but all the v6s from those years handled horribly.
@@mofayer That's a good point and underappreciated in the US where people value 0-60 and power. Also depends where you live - by me there aren't really interesting mountains or twisty roads/coasts, so handling barely matters. I'm leaning towards Lexus for some comfort/performance/quiet.
@@mofayer my '95 4-banger Accord is still one of my favorite cars. It was fun to drive, easy on gas, a quiet and simple interior, and easy to work on. It was also just fine size-wise for a family of 3 with a toddler.
FINALLY a real assessment of the Accord. Always been a good car, but since the 1980s Car and Driver has always acted like it was God's gift to sports sedans at any price. As you guys said, it's a great car for its intended audience, but it's not some backroads barnstorming that is a cut-rate BMW. And, as usual, I still look at the Accord (and other sedans) and simply do not see how an SUV offers any more advantages given how people REALLY use their vehicles. Sedans are cheaper, more fuel efficient, lighter, better handling, and easier to maintain.
Was a C&D sub for 20+ years. Never understood why the 10 Best list was always 9 other good cars plus the Accord.
Hands down the best car review team on KZhead 🎉 and the only one i hv subscribed 😊
In Jeremy's words on the scorpio estate that James brought up in the Africa special, That is gopping.
Will take a sedan over a CUV any day. The new Accord maybe a little too long, but it's a great car.
I have severe insomnia so I put on this review for this new gen Accord and fell asleep in the first 10 seconds. I slept like a baby. Now I also have the urge to pursue a CPA. Thank you guys so much!
What are the functional differences between the 17 in and 19 inch tires? Looking at a Sport vs EX-L hybrid, would like the extra feautures of the EX-L but wasn't sure what I would miss out on with the tires.
My cousin just got this exact car, color and all. It's superb for someone looking for exactly what it has to offer. I will miss the sportier Accord's. But at least Honda is still giving us a Honda product. Just like you said.
Attractive car. Gives you room. Plus will ride better than an SUV. Will handle better than an SUV. Brake better thank an SUV. Weigh less and get better economy. Don't really get why people have moved away from sedans. This car pretty much does everything perfect and looks good doing it. Easily take this over an CRV.
They need an suv to tote a child and groceries around. It’s way different in an suv, like wayyyyy different. Lol
I hated the stapler tail lights of the 10th generation, but I can’t believe how well it has aged. Some of the aftermarket tail lights for the 10th gen are insane. The interior of the 10th gen is really good and the side sculpting is bold. It’s unreal how Honda keeps pumping out cars that people rip apart on styling when they release, then 5 years later it’s the greatest thing on wheels. I hate the 11th gen styling even more than I hated the 10th gen when that came out. Now that there is no 2.0T option and no manual transmission, the 10th gen sounds like the one to get if you have any shred of enthusiast spirit in you.
Man, you are exactly correct here! I bought my 2018 Civic Hatchback 6 speed LX brand new in Nov of 2017, have 96k miles on it now, it's fantastic, drives as good as the day I bought it! The styling is better than 11th gen, bold and "cool" looking, interior is better styled too, and body style is great too! 11th gen Civics and Accords are grandma's car, just not much styling, for sure. I'll never sell my 10 gen Civic! And I get 40mpg doing 70 mph on the highway too so Hybrid hype is not that great anyway.
Do you guys have any info on the civic hybrid that is coming out? I need to be first in line at my local dealership before they hit supply issues and mark ups. I want to get out of my legacy 3.6r sedan for a fuel efficient hatch
wonder if honday will go into the PHEV route. this is a beautiful piece of machinery. Honda is doing it right all around.
Been an Accord guy since the 80’s. This model pushed me to investigate others. I am now an Acura guy, specifically the TLX. The slightly higher $ is a far better value prop.
Lol, TLX...
@@mattspeer01 lol, lol
@@UserNameTakenDown TLX isn’t a luxury car… it’s just masquerading as one.
I love the looks of the new tlx but the interior seems a little cramped and outdated compared to the accord
@@mattspeer01 not sure what either of you are talking about. 1. I ain’t rich. Got a deal on a 2021 TLX for $42k. 2. I don’t think a TLX is luxury or masquerading as one. 3. As I said, I’ve been a Honda guy for decades and this Acura is just a Honda with better fit & finish for a little more money. 60-80k plus is what I consider luxury. So….bragging?…..masquerading? Ok. Whatever helps you sleep at night. I just like my new-ish car batter than the Accord that I’ve loved for years.
I must be crazy cause i love Hondas current design. I dont want crazy looks. The accord looks so good. Simple sharp lines. Like an efficient spaceship. Same with the new civic.
I bought a 2020 Accord Sport 2.0T With 41k miles on the clock 3 weeks ago and I love the crap out of it. Super quick , the stock wheels are amazing and it just looks like a sporty car. Paid a premium for it as used 2.0's with one owner , low mileage , and no accidents are very hard to find. This coming from a die-hard Toyota guy.
I loved your shoutout to the Accord V6 manual coupe. She was fast, and we miss her.
For this 2017 Accord Touring (last of V6's) owner, this latest version provides little incentive to do an update. - Front end style is a big snooze - Underpowered + Like the interior + Like read-end styling
This model kills any chance of me buying a new Accord in the future unless they go back to sportier models (more power, 10AT, etc). Maybe a full electric model. The current offering is horrible.
@@neilquinn - Agreed. I was talking with my Honda dealer recently. He said Honda goes through these cycles of boring to exciting styling. Clearly, they are in the boring cycle. My wife has a 2016 Pilot Touring. She hates the Pilot's new look. Finally, Honda is behind on the EV cars, but I hear they will be rolling out new models in the near future.
@@danmcgov123 It's already a publicized fact that this is the last-gen Accord sedan. So if you're expecting the next Accord to be "more exciting," you'd better be the type who's aroused beyond description by crossovers.
@@danmcgov123the 2016 Pilot you're using as an example isn't really a good comparison - she has the most ugly, poorest received Pilot by Honda customers, and the new one returns to being more in the vein of what the Pilot has always looked like. To me, it's a drastic improvement. I will agree on the styling cycles, though. It would be nice to see more influence by either the Japanese Honda arm to do something fun, or go a little bit more edgy like Acura. Honda North America has traditionally been pretty bland.
@@aprtur - Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. For these beholders, the current version looks like a box on wheels. To each their own.
I was waiting for this review! I still have the 2015 Civic but planning to upgrade to an Accord or Honda/Acura SUV if I stick with the Hondas. The styling is not bad, the safety scores on IIHS are really good, might have great resale value, and, has good tech inside. Even though it has a CVT, I still would consider it on my list. I bought the 2015 Civic as my first car so it was my first CVT, I do transmission fluid changes every 30k miles and it still runs good at 110k miles!!
Don't buy a liability bro . Civic got years left .
2015 is a new car here in Croatia lol. Good luck with finding a new car
Why you don't do CVT oil changes with every engine oil change 😀😀😀
@@HEMI345S That interval is too soon and kinda wastes money
The new hybrid does not have a CVT. In fact, it does not have a transmission. Honda calls it an e-CVT instead of direct coupled so people are less confused.
Interesting how your opinion has evolved since your first drive. Mine has too, and I think I'm right there with you now! Great video today. I'm a big fan or your candor!
Looks like something Rockstar made for Grand Theft Auto to avoid a copyright lawsuit.
I don't see as many on the road as I would expect for an Accord. I have to believe people are turned off by the old and plain styling design.
I see five times as many 10th gen Accords. The style is just so much nicer, this new one is incredibly bland.
It’s been out since February, which is half a year. And this is selling more than the Civic, with 100k sales through June of this year, and the Civic at 94k through June of this year.
I actually have been seeing more of these than the new CRV. I thought it was weird.
I'm living in the Bay Area, I wouldn't say the new Accord is rare, when you see the new Accord, you can tell the new one feels more high-end compare to the tenth gen. Remember, being plain doesn't mean boring, the design would age well way better than something like current generation Hyundai products, which known as come with some overstyled design.
It reminds my of what Toyota did with the 2015-2017 Camry. Made you wonder what in the world were they thinking?!
Honestly, seeing them in person, it is a very sharp looking car. It has an understated, yet perceptible, presence. The style will also age extremely well.
Meh. It's a 6/10. Interior 8/10
From the rear it really reminds me of an Audi A7 for some reason...
You guys are the best!
Nice job with the video! The current generation of Honda sedans are solid
I hated this car until i went to the dealership to repair my 2014 accord and saw it in person ..now im in love ..it drives like heaven😊
@@Ac_Adapterthe HPD version looks really good.
@@Ac_Adapter No, it doesn't. I've seen it many many times. It looks very boring and bland. it looked more like something Chevy would make than Japanese. This would mean the next gen Camry could get more attention. The last gen Camry looks too busy for me but the next gen will be more polished.
@@Ac_Adapter I 've seen it in person and it looks worse
This car looks sooo Bland, And my 30 year old 3 series is somehow quicker than this. That’s just sad
I previously had a 10th gen accord with the 2.0T/10 AT. Jack and Mark summed it up perfectly with that gen. It gave me 80% of what a G series 330i gave, but at a much more reasonable price. It felt solid and Germanic in its driving characteristics. I was pretty down on this 11th gen when it came out, but the fact is I’d guess 95% of accord buyers even knew or cared what a 3 series drove like. The newer, generic styling has grown on me and Honda makes a great hybrid system. Despite the loss of the “enthusiast” ideology behind the accord, I knew from the reveal of this that it’d be the best driving midsize in the segment for all the reasons they’ve mentioned. I now have a new civic hatch with a 6mt and it kinda picks up where the 10th gen accord left off for “enthusiasts” choice.
I also bought a 23 civic touring 6mt and one thing I CANNOT believe they did was not include lumbar support. They gave the passenger a power seat but couldn't put lumbar in atleast the driver seat? Hondas, at least used to be, set apart by their front seat comfort in my opinion. Now, nothing special.
@@Oliver0200 definitely agree. First week with the car I was worried I may not be able to handle the lack of. My accord had 4 way so the Civic definitely took some getting used to. Agreed it’s ridiculous that in 2023 Honda doesn’t include that. Gotta step up to the integra for such a “luxury”. They even got rid of the 4 way on the new accords, which is now 2 way. Annoying cost cutting.
@@Oliver0200 also dealing with some annoying cabin squeaks/rattles. Really my only two issues. Loving the car tho!
To compromise seat quality in order to save a few bucks is inexcusable. An uncomfortable seat can turn a longer trip into a nightmare. The seats in the new Civic have been getting mediocre reviews which is a shame - many rating them as "just alright." My '08 Fit has excellent seats while a 2023 Civic Touring doesn't? That's pathetic, Honda!
I've only owned Hondas. 99 civic si new "stolen"😢, 01 accord,06 accord 12 yrs 170k ,18 accord 4.5 yrs 120k, now a 23 still night pearl sport l. It's a big leap from the 10th gen. Mark is spot on on how good the new one is.
A great review guys, shame Honda won't supply sedans to the UK anymore.
The Toyota Camry TRD is the obvious choice in this segment for the performance oriented. It looks great plus you have the option of that sweet 300hp V6 which leaves both the Honda Accord and Nissan Altima in the dust. It's a shame that both Honda and Nissan gave up on performance. Who remembers the Altima SE-R? Ahh... Those were the days.
My 2.0T Accord will still smoke any Camry TRD or V6 I come across. >:)
VS the new Accord, the V6 Camry will smoke it any day of the week. VS the old 2.0T? Camry loses. You’re right though, Toyota feels like the only one who still cares about fun cars.
Tbh I hope Honda still keep the 2.0T engine (which same as type r) on the accord, it got less hp but the 10 speed gearbox is absolutely animal and make it can go really quick.
@@fireemblemaddict128You can’t get that anymore. You can still get the TRD Camry in 2023 though.
Nissan still makes the Maxima with 300hp V6. Although I wish they offer anything other than a CVT
I daily the previous generation, but this new 11th gen is an even more refined Accord for modern daily driving. I really like the handful I've seen on the road so far. A lot of people gripe about losing the 2.0t and the styling being bland, but it still has presence on the road. I think Honda is going in the proper direction with the Accord.
It has the presence of two scoops of vanilla if we’re being honest. The last one had the presence of an A7. Vanilla sells wayyyy better.
Refinement, yes. "Presence"? Not so much. I think it only has 'presence' because it's new. Once the newness fades, it will become invisible.
The real gripe is when the Accord lost the 6 speed manual transmission.
Very interesting to see the MPG difference between 17 and 19 inch wheels. I wonder what the difference between 18 and 19s are on the CR-V?
I owned a 2016 Honda Accord Sport. White with charcoal leather seats. The styling and handling. Was one of the best cars I ever owned. The new one looks like a shoebox.
I had the opportunity to ride in one of these recently. I was pleasantly surprised at the comfort and “natural” feeling of the interior.
had my Hybrid Sport for the last three months and love it! Design is something to get used to but it looks SO MUCH BETTER at night with the lights and design
Look forward to seeing more trim levels covered in the future.
Why I like this channel. Both give honest opinions, but then jump into who these cars are intended for and would it be good for that group. Some reviewers just seem so bored if they are not in some sort of performance car. That said, this car does look like what you would fined if you looked up “car” in a dictionary.
Used to be a solid sedan but now it uses CVT transmissions, which is a deal breaker for many buyers.
It's not a CVT. It's an eCVT which is nothing like a CVT. An eCVT is basically two electric motors.
I think it's a shame Honda could not sell Accords and felt they had to kill the fun.
Tbh they sold all the 2.0Ts they made. They said the 2.0T only had a 15% take rate but you can’t special order cars. It’s whatever Honda allocated to the dealer. I learnt this while trying to buy a 2.0T in October last year myself. Honda MADE 15% of the Accords 2.0Ts and they all sold. I was on a 4 month waitlist for MSRP cause they were selling like hell. They then complained enough weren’t sold and scrapped the high output variant.
@@Teku175Dealer only model hurts brands.
@@Teku175 I was looking for one April 22 as well. Blue sport models or nothing. I was hoping the new Accords were going to be something else other than what we ended up with.
This is one of THE best reviews I've seen so far! You see tons of reviewers on YT who talks hrs on styling, mileage and so on. But VERY few talks about mechanical simplicity, everyday maintenance, reliability. Kudos to you guys to present this in a format that's super helpful to someone who is actually to buy!
spare tire? Thanks for putting up the prices. Very informative. In market for sedan, debating between Toyota Camry and the Accord.
great video. absolutely love my Accord EX-L. the fact that the EX-L is the only trim with 17'' tires is wired to me though but I went with it since it lined up with all my priorities including maximum fuel economy.
The issue is going to be the price. The base model is $30,000 and goes all the way up to over $40,000
That's not an issue where I live, they're flying off the lots here.
I have the top trim hybrid touring for 40k, absolutely worth every dollar.
Aesthetically speaking, I think the 2023 Honda Accord is going to age very well despite its current reception. Its styling may seem "meh" right now, but that's just because we've gotten used to everything on the market being so ridiculously overstyled. I don't need my normal economy car to have swoops, gills, ducts, and cuts along with fender flares and a spoiler and sawblade wheels. There's no arguing that's a cool look on certain cars, but it stops being exciting when you see it on literally everything. This car's styling is going to age well. It looks new while managing to look understated. It's a blanker canvas too for those who want to modify theirs. Remember, the Accord has never been a particularly controversial car. It has always toed the line somewhere between spectacular and boring. The Honda Accord has always looked just fine, and the 2023 Accord looks just fine as well. It's doing "the Accord thing" perfectly.
Honest review. Why the hate from some commentors for this car? Exterior styling? Looks classy to me. It certainly beats the Refrigerators On Wheels SUVs that most people buy. I test drove an LX and it had good power, good handling and a nice ride. The vinyl steering wheel is my only gripe in the LX/EX.
SG - "Great new seats!" Also SG -
I wasn’t really into it’s design when seeing it online but after seeing them in person, they actually look alright.
The rear end is kinda ugly in person though.
“Alright”. Exactly. It’s just okay.
OP, you're getting older.
I disagree. I actually thought it looked worse after I saw one in my neighborhood.
Seen it in person and it looks worse
"It has this Ford Taurusness to it" bro, that had me laughing!! Really outstanding reviews on this channel!
I’d rather drive this generation of Honda Accord than literally ANY crossover or SUV
the seat is already coming apart you can see it at 2:16...
I'd rather not have a digital dash and touchscreens at all but overall this is a sick car, I'd take it over ANY crossover/SUV, we need to reinforce thay normal cars are cool and big fat heavy lumps are not
In 2015 I shopped the Accord, Camry, and Fusion hybrids. I bought the Fusion because I thought it was the best car of the three, but worried about reliability. 164,000 trouble free miles later, it still runs great but I wonder if this can continue for much longer. So I tested the new Accord hybrid and it did not seem to me that it drove much better than my old Fusion, has a noisier cabin, and gets marginally better real world fuel economy ( Fusion averages 38-42 mpg). Yes, it is a very good car but just does not sweep me off my feet. Guess I will just keep driving the Fusion until it dies . . .😩
i like the fusion too, but the smaller trunk in the fusion hybrid always turns me off. you can tell it wasn't designed with hybridization in mind
Watching this review, I'm reminded of the Accord 6spd review you did during the 10th gen, and you called it the right car at the wrong time. Accords were never serious sports cars to be with. Even at their heyday, they were cars directed to the average person to have some fun with. Now, the average person doesn't care about fun. And I think the Accord is just moving with its audience. It's now trying to still be a good car, but at the right time for the right people. I hope Honda sells lots of these because if the Accord dies the sedan is dying with it.