Could you live with the Super Soco TC Max?
The Super Soco TC Max is a compact little electric that is not a bad option for an inner city run about or commuter. Super Soco in Australia are now running some excellent deals on this nippy EV. It's not for everyone, but if you are in the market for a low capacity commuter or EV it just might hit the mark.
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You can cancel the startup sound by pressing the power button twice.
Thanks
Great review ! The main reason for me that I did buy the Tc Max is that it's quiet. Comming home from work pretty late and enjoying night rides on my days off, I don't disturb my neighbors as they sleep... some even thanked me for it!
That’s not something I had considered. Thanks for watching
There is actually a 72Ah Battery which is 2/3 more than the original one with 42Ah. Also there is also a 12A charger which will speed up charging. I own a TC Max for 2 seasons now and use it always. 15000km run already and charging is no problem at all. Combined with a Type2 Chagrer Station Adapter you can charge everywhere actually.
Cheers, didn’t know about the bigger battery, that would make a difference
@@BikerTorque It'll cost you 1/2 the price of the bike for the battery.
My girlfriend is SuperSoco TC Max user for two summers already, and we are really happy with it. It works very well in the town (15km across the whole town), home - work distance less than 2km, distance to city center from home about 5km, and getting around the town its very nice! On busier day riding charging can be done in 2-3 days. Going outside town, to country-side house 30km away, battery drops to about 40%, road of which half of distance is 50km/h, other half is 90/km/h. We bought another charger for countryside house, which was basically another 10% of the cost of the bike it self.
Yeah, I think in certain situations, like yours the TC Max probably works
Appreciate the honest review. Wouldn’t work for me because of the range and speed but I’m not against electric bikes. I actually rode a supersoco once around a car park. It was fun. Super freaky how quiet and smooth the drive is it just kind of takes off.
Yeah, if you were just commuting around town it would be a winner.
That's the first video I watched on this channel, but not the last! I really enjoyed it and thank you for your honest review.
Welcome aboard! Greatly appreciated.
Something's wrong with your unit, mine does have instant torque and I'm yet to find a car that would keep up in acceleration. And certainly no
Interesting!
Great review guys- what was the ‘real life’ range achieved? As you mention not being able to reach the office and back.. I’m considering this as a second fun bike :D Thanks!
I did get around 65 kms out of a battery, but that was switching between modes, but predominantly in normal or sport. I think I would have gotten about 80-85 if I left it in eco. But that’s with a 100kg rider.
I plan to upgrade to the TC Max as soon as I get my R-E license (WA). Great bike!
Enjoy
Thats because you play with your dick too much and dont catch up on real world affairs
Another great video team. It’s a tough one to be honest about , mostly because it’s a fairly new concept with not too much to compare to. I was in the uk recently and there was a petrol/ diesel exclusion zone around the local schools to improve air quality…. And it was really nice. Quiet and with fresh crisp air. If I lived in a city and charge points were available, I’d be keen. I think with more demand, more charging points will become available and with more charging points, the more viable an option it would be. It’s one for the pioneers.
Yeh, looking forward to riding more electrics to get a bit more to compare each one to.
We have run diesel cars for years. With a 10kw rooftop solar i started looking at an EV. A used TC Max came up in Wollongong, took it for a ride and bought it. It is fun. I can drive to town and back twice with a battery charge. 2 x 30kms and love the fact I am powered by sunshine. It is a lightweight solo rider short distance commuter. So long as the battery lasts it will have been a very rewarding ownership experience.
Yep not a bad option for a short commute
I’d get one if I needed to get around in the city only. Certainly looks good. I’m sure battery life will improve in future versions.
I think you are right. Interesting we have just had an email from Aussie electric manufacturer Savic to review their new C-Series in Oct. Now that bike does look the goods and with pretty good battery range
Loved Tegan’s input and yours also. Ross you should have a coffee machine in the office when 10:43 Tegan returns from her holiday.
She drinks too much coffee as it is
Thanks for the informative review, very balanced and fair. Especially appreciated the full break down of the battery removal as that is something most reviews appear to gloss over. I actually am more in the target market for the TC Max then most, living in a city, but needing to get around a bit on 60kph+ roads and was very much looking forward to finally having found a bike that has a top speed above 45 and swappable battery. But that process just makes it unusable when parking outside. Maybe I am fundamentally missing something but why are there a myriad of options with easily swappable batteries (even the option of running two in series) in the field of 45kph scooters, but when needing to go slightly faster, there is practically no option. Heck Sondors actually went so far as to advertise their battery as easily swappable with no tools or complicated process in videos, then went back on that, the final bike requiring a toolkit to access the battery.
Thanks for watching. I think the main reason for Scooters with a 2 battery option is the additional storage under the seat. We reviewed the Super Soco CPX scooter and it was physically a much bigger bike than the TCMax, hence the option of having a second battery.
The problem is weight, I own a tc (non max) and the battery is half the size and weight, and much easier to take out. Once you get to more powerful bikes, the smallest battery you can get away with is ~17kg, which is too heavy to easily remove.
So how long will the lithium ion battery last? about 3 years? A replacement battery costs over 2000 euros where I live.
That's a great question, honestly, no idea how long it will last. Time will tell
For me and my situation, the bike works. My ride to the office is about 22 to 25 km and I can charge the bike at home and in the office without removing the battery. The area I live in is 50% hills and 50% flat area, with some steep inclines. In the beginning I was a bit worried about the speed drop at hills, but then again, the TC Max was not bleeding speed as much as I expected and holds the 80km/h zones uphill at a steady 75km/h. I could also make the run to the office and back home with one charge and still having about 23% battery left. Over time the range will probably reduce, but then again I can charge for free at the office. Who knows what the battery prices will be like in three years time when it might be a good idea to replace the battery ...
Agree in some situations the bike is just fine.
Where would you get a replacement battery though?
@@timkarsten8610 I’d imagine you could order from your local dealer
@@timkarsten8610 Aftermarket batteries are now available which almost doubles stock capacity. I have one and it’s excellent
@@wiredupelectric how much? And what capacity? I'm interested, thanks.
Silly question - how tall is Teagan? It looks a bit small for her. I'm wondering if I'm too tall for this bike since I think I might be her size!
Not a silly question at all, Tegan is about 179cm.
thank you! she's tall! i think i'd be okay on the bike, i'm a bit shorter. appreciate your response! @@BikerTorque
Exactly what disapointed me on a test ride , the pick up from stand still. Was slower than my 8 bhp to 30mph . Was the kicker for me to stay on my scomadi. 😢
Yes it could be a deal breaker for many
Great unbiased review. Other reviews tend to just focus on the fact it’s electric and don’t really tell you what it’s like to ride or live with. I own a regular TC (hub drive model.) I love it for my 20km commute, and the 2019 model doesn’t have the annoying startup sound. Being an early model it can be derestriced to 80km/h but it can just barely keep up with traffic going up hills on a 70km/h road. I feel like SuperSoco could make something really compelling at the $9k price point if they tried!
I agree, the bones are there to produce a very capable electric
love the review im right now saving money to buy one aswell
Thanks, glad you enjoyed the video
I’m just curious how tall you both are to gage how big the bike is?
Tegan is about 179cm and I’m not quite that, about 177cm
@@BikerTorque cheers for the reply. That helps a lot, thank you
Would not buy one given battery range. I will struggle to do a daily return trip to work with one charge.
That’s what I found, but unbelievable to land filter on
I get like 40 miles mostly at Max speed. Work is only 6 miles each way so it's perfect
@@JudeTheKZheadPoopersubscribe that sounds like it’s ideal for your situation
@@BikerTorque it was costing like £35 in petrol per month on a gas motorbike. Now about £5 increase on my electric bill.
The range is a scary thing for all of us I think, especially regionally. They are coming, just a matter of time, look out for the 1st one with a bit of style and range it will be interesting, but in the meantime, I still enjoy stirring Greta up with my 2 stroke and oil burning old twins... Great honest review, b safe.
Definitely only a matter of time. There are some bikes out the that look the goods, with much better range…but at a much higher price point, like Energica and also Aussie company Savic. To be honest at $6k or so where this one sits, it isn’t bad value, but only if you are riding in and around your town or city.
Great review guys. I’m yet to have a ride on an electric 😎👌
You should big Bert, very different
@@BikerTorque not sure I have seen one down here. I will keep my eyes open. May need to visit to big Island to try one 😖
Sounds like the new Maeving would be a good fit for you both.
Im not familiar with that bike, might not be available here in Australia.
I have it and i like it so far but i hate the fact that the GPS signal stop working because Super soco change the cooperation with the local carrier and the application doesn't work anymore and they are asking 500 euro for it to make it work again. You forgot to mention that there is a faster charger which can fully charge in 3 hours.
We weren’t aware of the fast charger.
I am well game for an electric motorcycle but I don't think the TC Max would quite do it for me. I don't do huge miles often on the bike but something that can reliably do 100 miles and will charge off common EV chargers is a base requirement for me. I've ridden a Zero SR/S and was a huge fan of the ride itself but I'd need them to halve the price go consider it. If pricing was in line with a Ninja 1000SX I might actually go for something like the SR/S.
Yes range still seems to be the main issue
Why didn't anyone think to put a strong enough dynamo on the rear and front wheels of the engine that will power the engine all the time and the possibility to turn off the dynamo when the battery is full. To make a dynamo on both wheels that produces electricity when you want it you do the same principle in the engine settings and on the mobile phone application as with the old bikes that were meant to be had the light in front you had to turn on the dynamo that was on the tire and turned in order to have electricity.Something on that principle, but in a different place. Make some sort of thing and adapt it for the wheels and as long as you don't turn off the dynamo, it will power the battery,of course there should be some kind of converter and u in the settings on the mobile phone and in the engine software, you set when the dynamo turns on, that is, at what percentage of the battery.And it can also be used for cars that have four wheels, and the faster you go, the stronger the current it produces, and the problem is solved as far as the range that a car, motorcycle, or bicycle can reach.
That makes sense in theory
@@BikerTorque And this can also be done in practice, you just need a team of smart engine engineers and a team of electricians and the problem is solved, only then the oil companies would totally fail,and that doesn't suit them at all.Even if fans are installed in cars and trucks so sensitive to the smallest air currents that they spin and produce electricity,another way to power at least electronics in a car, van, or truck.And imagine how fast those little fans would spin in a super fast car just install them where the air intakes are in the car and put several fans one behind the other and voilà.
1) Safety reasons: Not so easy to control as the normal brake. 2) More complex and expensive circuitry and controls, but it'll probably be better in later models. 3) Added weight in front. 4) These bikes are light and relatively cheap.
Have not ridden this particular electric model but did test a Zero SR/S which I found brilliantly quick but it’s lack of range just wouldn’t work for my favourite “pie runs” I think electric will have its place in the market, and the Zero I tested would leave my Interceptor in the dust, but take away all the “motorcycle” stuff and it wasn’t for me.
The Zero does look good, as does the Savic, which I can confirm we will be getting a ride on in October
No problem with fast charging. Range would be enough
That rear shock looked a little under sprung with Ross aboard 😅😉❤️🍻
😂😂😂 a little under sprung? Ok that’s your first warning Jamie.
If the Super Soco TV Max had a dual battery option, this would be ideal for many consumers.
It’s too small, there’s no room for a second battery
@@BikerTorqueIt's ashame the bike doesn't have this option, or even have a more powerful battery.
@@princeD1100 Aftermarket batteries are now available. It almost doubles stock capacity.
NO COFFEE MACHINE IN THE OFFICE? Ross, that is just mean 😉. Great honest review. The biggest obstacle battery motorcycles face will always be the range due to the size and weight of the battery. The other obstacle this bike faces is price. Even though it is very affordable. If you compare it to Honda's CB125F (at $3637 ride away), It would take approx 3 years for the purchase price and running cost to even out. In saying that, there are some very exciting electric motorcycles that are due out in the market soon and I will be happy to have one in the garage to use for daily commuting. Also, some of the propoganda about the EV industry is just ridiculous, yet I hear people repeating it with some authority in their voice.
Tegan drinks enough coffee as it is. Yep range is the issue
And agree, some of the rubbish arguments you hear against evs is just preposterous
I live in a small country, belgium. And for what its worth i acctually like this over a gas bike anyday. Espescially with how the traffic etc is in my country. Although if you had to commute longer distances then ofcourse the gas bike takes it home every day of the week. I mean look at how many gas stations there are compared to electric charging stations. Its just not the most logic decision for such long commutes.
I definitely see the benefit s of electric but for me, we’re I live I’d need a bit more range to make it viable. But I totally get that for some cities it would work perfectly
Yeah just on 50 years of riding bikes. And personally cant wait til they get E bikes perfected. Make one that will do 200k`s and have some 60`s-70`s retro styling and Id be in like Flynn.
I was discussing retro styled electric c bikes with a mate last week, I’d be all over one, my mate wasn’ so keen. Thanks for watching
Its weird but I'm really looking forward to my next car being electric while dreading the day my bikes electric
Funny, I’ve been saying for a while my next car will be an electric
Ross , Tegan, Very interesting EV bikes have there place but range is always the issue I don’t believe the technology is that good at the moment to give a viable option to ICE engines saying that Volvo say that there production of their EV car take 77,000 miles or 124 kilometres to become carbon neutral ?😊
Thanks for watching, agree, unless you live and only ride in the city, then range is the major issue.
I love everything about this bike and it would be perfect for me but I think the pricing is just too high for all EV bikes and scooters in Australia its just ridiculous. This bike is at least 4 times cheaper in China, but I understand importing and all that takes up some cost. Its still too expensive for what it is even with the 'sales'.
Point taken, but I think we generally pay higher prices in Australia for most vehicles. Thanks for watching
Great to have electric motorcycle, but range and speed is really preventing it to sell well. Price is sharp, but with just 50km range and 80-90kmh makes it unusable for daily commuting for most of us....back to Zero;)
Agree
can i have a pillion on this bike
Yes, sort of there are pillion foot pegs, but not a lot of room on the seat
It's a pity, because it is a nice little bike to ride, but a 125cc petrol bike would be cheaper, and have better range. And you still have to have a motorcycle learners licence at a minimum to ride it. Then service - I have a SuperSoco TC, for my daughter (can be ridden on a car leaners licence as a moped). It had a battery fault that meant the battery had to be sent from NZ to Aus to be serviced, and parts from China took 10 weeks to arrive. The local dealers had no spares. All of their second term at school, no transport.
Shame about the battery issue. Interesting you can ride in on a learners car licence, honestly not sure how I feel about that. The more motorcycle training the better is my thought.
As a moped, the TC limited to 50kph, and has a much less powerful motor than the TC Max, Ive also ridden with my daughter and made sure they are aware of the extra dangers involved with 2 wheels. In fact, it actually makes it easier when teaching them to drive, as they already have a good grounding in the roadcode, and handling traffic.
50km range in not neary enough to get around town
Depends how big the town is I suppose
Needs fast charger
Agree
Motorcycles are an emotional thing. Electric power totally contradicts. The range is a joke and so is the top speed. So it’s not for me. Looks good though! Love your videos !!!
Thanks for checking out our videos. I get it that motorcycles are an emotional experience, don’t right off an ev just yet though, it’s not the same as riding an ICE engine, it’s different, but still has its place
Would not own one even if it was given to me
Lol, harsh.
I've still never ridden an electric Bike. This won't be the first one.
Actually I think you should, it would be some sight Chewie.
@@BikerTorque hahahahaha. Beauty and the beast.
@@hachewie 😂😂😂 or in the words of my mate Jamie, like a bulldog rooting a tennis ball
@@BikerTorque 🤣🤣🐶🥖🎾
> high beam; Please stop blinding other road users, and adjust your normal headlight properly for riders weight... it wasn't correct in the video, it's visibly pointing too low. It's not rocket science, it's a size 10 key iirc (or 8.)
Trust me, the high beams on this bike aren’t that bright.
Sounds pretty crap, I have a fast scooter which is handy then I have my motorcycles, this bike needs to have a 120km/hr top speed at least and double the range to be useful . . .
Not sure it needs to be a 120 km/h bike, but agree an electric that would do that and with better range would be great, although I imagine it would be at a completely different price point to the TC Max
Not for me! I live on a small island with a population of 60,000 people. It is 24 square miles. The local energy company has now finished a properly costed study into what is required to set up eco power for homes businesses and transport for the next 25 years. The cost, 1.75 Billion pounds sterling for the equipment and infrastructure to achieve this. Yes, that is the number! Electric vehicles are not the answer however alluring they may seem. Sorry.
That cost seems extraordinary.
@@BikerTorque 🤪🤪 I'm slightly frightened to carry this on as I might seem like a crank. But local to me they are looking at a 36 mile long wind farm in the coastal waters. That's £5 Billion pounds UK sterling! I wish I was making it up! 🙄.
@@speedfinder1 safe place hear regardless of thoughts on evs.
No.
Copy that.