Why English Clubs were Banned from Europe | The Heysel Disaster
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Today we talk about one of the biggest tragedies in football history that would be so decisive to transform the whole landscape of Europan football over the next years, but still most of you don't really know about it: The Heysel Disaster of 1985. What was it? What exactly happened? And what consequences did it have? Time to shed a light on this sad, yet influential tragedy. 💡
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This incident is one of the biggest reasons we are hated in the country or possibly in the entirety of Europe. People often ask "what football events you would change if you could go back in time" and 90% of our fanbase would say the gerrard slip or the 2018-19 season or the 2007 final. I would definately go with this incident and Hillsborough. I am embarassed to even claim those vermins as part our fanbase who killed those Juventus supporters. Rip to those 39 juventus supporters and also the 96 who lost their lives in Hillsborough.
Respect!
Well said mate. Those fools tarnished our great clubs reputation. It took us 20 years to recover in Europe. RIP to all those who died and the 96 in hillsbrough
Hysel 100 percent Liverpool supporters fault Hillsborough wasn’t their fault there was a lot of things which went into that one
Misspelt heysel but here we are
Couldn’t of said it better myself
Also important to mention that Arsenal fans reported that the stadium was in terrible conditions as they played the European Cup Winners Cup final in 1980 vs Valencia. Terrible decision by UEFA, GONE BUT NEVER FORGOTTEN
True! They described it as a „dump“
The Head of UEFA at the time, should I believe have resigned or been forced to step down. The people in charge of the maintenance of Heysel Stadium should all have been jailed for their negligent actions. It's almost as if there was some kind of conspiracy to get English clubs out and stop their domination of the old European Cup. Choosing a decrepit stadium like Heysel to host the final, and then blame rowdy Liverpool fans for the tragedy suited them perfectly. Juventus fans were as much at fault here let's not forget this.
The decision by UEFA to not give Liverpool all of that end played a huge part in the disaster. Anyone could see that those tickets for ‘ neutrals ‘ that were sold in Belgium would end up in the hands of Italian or English fans. Mainly Italians due to the huge Italian population in Brussels. If Liverpool had all of one end and juventus the other then there wouldn’t have been a disaster.
Arsenal fans didn't kill people by pushing a wall over,. however. You're ignoring that for some reason.
Tom Chamberlain neither did Arsenal fans suffer having bits of the stadium at them for over an hour. The Liverpool fans didn't push the wall over, it collapsed under the weight of the Juve fans who ran when the Liverpool fans had enough of the rain of missiles and charged through the pathetic cordon.
My granddad was there and still talks about it when we go to the Heyzel
Wow really? Do you know if he was in one of the 2 blocks?
@@Fiago he was in a neutral zone
@@jorrencelis8556 he was very lucky
Good timing, my countdown just finished on insta
Countdown ON gang 🤝
Fiago just curious. What nationality are you and who is your team.
his favorite team is Hamburg and i think he's german@@robertsmith3672
@@robertsmith3672he’s German.
@@robertsmith3672German and his team is hamburg
While UEFA did mess up with stadium selection, it's very true that hooliganism was a major problem with English football. Put those alongside the mismanagement of Italian ticket salesman and you have a recipe for disaster.
That sums it up very well!
yes, it was NOT necessery at all. This guy is not telling the truth. The Italian fans next to the Liverpool fans WERE NOT HARDCORE JUVENTUS FANS BUT FAMILIES WITH LOTS OF CHILDREN. SICK and TIRED of ENglish hooligans. We don't want them on the continent anymore.
Can you do one about the Hillsborough disaster or the Munich air disaster
Yep!
@@Fiago SICK
@@Fiago no need for the exclamation mark
@@stwx6220 is he not even allowed to use punctuation 😭
@@stwx6220 lmao chill, its an exclaimation mark. You must be some proper zoomer to think that means OMG YES LOL XDDDD smh
Nottingham Forest fan. This ban is one of the reason's for my club's long term decline. We were a good team at that point, and finished consistently high in the top division. We would have become a higher profile, perenniel contender for a place in European competitions. This ban, and the bribery of Anderlecht, was one of the main reasons we fell so hard. Other reasons include being relegated at the exact worst time to get relegated (1992), and missing out on so much TV money that we still haven't recovered. But yeah the Heysel tragedy was a major factor. We still absolutely hate Liverpool for it. I personally don't hate Liverpool as much as a lot of Forest fans do, it was before my time, and I have a level of respect for the political values of LFC and their fanbase. But for any of the Liverpool fans commenting on here "it wasn't just the fan's fault, it was the design of the stadium/local authorities" etc etc etc. Fuck off. Nobody forced your fans to knock a wall over and kill Juventus fans. Just shut up with that shit. The people who pushed the walls over were to blame. They did it. They are killers. Fuck them.
@@chrislfc2317 Uefa didn't force it to happen! Come on. Don't make excuses for killers and cowards. That is cowardly by itself.
@@tomchamberlain4329 It also badly affected Everton for obvious reasons
The behaviour of the spectators wasn't the only factor. The place was falling to bits and really shouldn't have held that game
Agree with most of what you've written but you're forgetting how good we were from 94'-96. We haven't recovered from the charlatans that bought the club in the late 90s and relegated us after selling Kevin Campbell was sold (against all promises of investment, they were selling players!) and PVH going on strike. COYR.
@@Inkyminkyzizwoz Read the comment you are replying to again, you idiot.
Denied Oxford United their one and only opportunity to play in Europe :(
And Luton, Coventry, Wimbledon, Everton, Forest, United,etc...thats why the Dirties are so well liked!
@guyneeve9365 tbf everton and forest(Nottingham forest has played in europe) played in europe
@@loophoop8626 and won it twice
Yep 😞 who knows how that might’ve changed our fortunes ever since. Still, win or lose up the U’s! 🟡🔵
Denied West Ham from playing in the UEFA cup (Europa League) in 1986/87 as we finished 3rd the year before and we would have had a good chance at winning it. We have never got to the group stages of the Europa league to this day ( got knocked out in the qualifying rounds in 2015/16 and 2016/17) and we lost in the 1st round, before the group stages in 2006/07 but we have a really good chance at getting Europa League for next season and if we qualify we go straight to the group stages. And we’ve never qualified for the Champions League.
I was twelve at the time. Watched it on TV with my grandad who was a season ticket holder at Anfield. After the trouble before the game started my grandad switched over in disgust which says it all really. My grandad was so proud to be a Liverpool fan but not on the day
Honestly, since i started following you on IG, i've learnt sooo much more about the beautiful game. Things i never knew happened, significant players that i had no idea of. Thank you for putting in the time to educate more people. Love
Appreciate the support so much Nasir!!
Amazing that you spend so much time learning about useless crap
My father was in the stadium on that day, he was on the opposite side so he saw it all from across the pitch.. he told me multiple times about what happened and how tragic this was. As a big platini fan, his granddad took him to Brussels to watch the game.
The crazy thing is, that I never knew who won the game. He never told me about that. I'm born in 93', so I've know about this disaster since I was a kid, again, cause my father told me everything about it. But he never told me about the end result, because it is one of the most irrelevant results in football history. Also Fiago, massive respect for this amount of research you did. For me, I've known about it for my entire life, but many have absolutely no idea about it. This is more than just good content, this is providing football knowledge, and that deserves massive respect
I don’t believe that
Well done. In the UK there is a conspiracy of silence about the Heysel disaster but huge publicity and criminal trials for the Hillsborough disaster. We have heard about the latter incessantly for the past 30 years and it should never be forgotten, but neither should Heysel and the part a small minority of Liverpool fans caused in such death and destruction.
Liverpool swept it under the carpet. And the media are shit scared to mention it in fear of a backlash because of hillsborough. Heysel, Athens 2007, and the most recent final in Paris, thousands turning up trying to gain entry without tickets, but the press don’t dare mention it.
@@cooperman397 Wow really showing ur lack of knowledge pal. Just say you hate Liverpool and facts and just move on
@@cooperman397 Just can't handle the truth can ye
Thanks for helping me understand why the UK is on such a downfall: people like you have the right to vote, even though you can’t differentiate between two completely separate disasters
Never liverpools fault ever, always someone’s else
As a Liverpool fan I think this was a very fair assessment. It’s the most shameful part of our club history and it should not be forgotten or glossed over. British football had a huge problem with hooliganism back in the 80s and it seemed that a tragic event like Heysel had to happen for us to be forced to sort it out. RIP to the 40 or so people who were killed.
Very true words
Thanks for letting me know about this more, I knew what happened but didn’t know it exactly. Thanks
Love these long vids, they’re so interesting and eye opening. Keep going fiago I adore your videos
Very informative video, great timing too as somehow many football fans didn’t know about this
Appreciate it 👊
This gives me podcasts vibes
Hey bro love from South africa love your content and keep up the good work🙌🙌
Thanks man means a lot!!
Literally the first time I heard about this. Guess I'm stupid
Not stupid. You just learn something new every day! 👍
@@Fiago that's what you are there for🥰
@@slime8033 you most likely 12 year old kid which new to football
@@richard35791 yea sure... I'm 17 and tired of those tryhard fans who expect every football to spent their afternoon reading through every footbal related wikipedia page
@@richard35791 unnecessary comment dude
Thank you for very informative video about the tragic disaster that seems rather conviniently ignored and rarely talked about by major English football media. It looks younger football fans don't know anything about this incident and the English clubs European ban. Please keep telling stories about this disaster and the wider effects it had on English football.
I knew briefly about this event thank you so much for analyzing it I'm a Liverpool fan since I was 6 thank you for letting youngsters learn history 🙏
Really well explained. Cool vid. Loving your content, keep it up.
Thanks Chris 🤝
@@Fiago cheers, friend
in depth and well explained 👍
That video gave me Atletic interest vibes! Really nice vid man
Great to hear being compared to these greats! Long way to go haha
You are doing a great job by Provinding knowledge on Football. I was a football fan before following your IG account but had very less knowledge of football. Thanks to you and your good posts that I can confidently say in public that I am a football fan can answer all your questions. Love from India🇮🇳
That's so great to hear man!!
@@Fiago 👍
Make a video about the gate 7 disaster. It's incredible how this horrific event has been forgotten by the rest of Europe
Noted down!
As a Norwich fan this could've easily ruined the club. During that 5 season ban Norwich qualified for the UEFA Cup 3 times and obviously couldn't play. Norwich have only managed 1 season in European competition since then. It really could've changed the clubs history a lot
Hardly mate
@@CoolDude-jp1kj how not? The UEFA Cup was a lot easier back then than the Europa League is now. Just look at the teams who were winning it before the mid 90s
ahhhh yes bayern munich good bloody team u had in those days
great job fiago ! its a shame that a lot of people ( including me be4 i watched this video) dont know abt this
Thanks bro!
@@Fiago 🙌🙌
00:29 Either young kids, non-Europeans or people that have a lack of interest in general. I was a kid when the Battle of Beverwijk still was fresh in the minds of supporters of my club Feyenoord. Still is talked about, but definitely not as much as it was in 2008. And by that I also found out about events like the Heysel Disaster.
your voice is so beautiful to hear❤
Given what happened at the final of Euro 2020 at Wembley with the Police fearing for another Hillsborough/Heysel type event, looks like it needs to happen again.
I remember watching this round my girlfriends house So tragic from 85 to 89 we had this the Bradford stadium fire and Hillsborough awful times shocking loss of life I'm a Forest fan and was At Hillsborough on that sad day My thoughts to ALL the families and friends of those sadly taken ❤️🍀
Very informative 👍❤️
Thanks for your feedback 🤝
Ups got late here, great vid here 🔥
Thanks Miguel 🤝
Alongwith Liverpool fans,Local authorities were equally responsible for this disaster ... A disaster that could've been avoided by simple preliminary precautions
Exactly. Just as I say in the conclusion.
They weren’t equal. You can have a old ground and well behaved fans with no deaths. It’s pathetic they try and blame everything but themselves. Even trying to shift the blame on Chelsea ffs. Only Liverpool could be responsible for 39 deaths and somehow claim to be a victim.
@@monton80 What a pathetic comment. Of course its from a Man United fan. Hooligans of YOUR club called the "red army" were involved in very violent fights in Saint Etienne in 1977 that resulted in the second leg not getting played at your ground and instead in Plymouth because your fans were a serious danger. Some Saint Etienne fans were seriously injured that day. Heysel was the disgraceful culmination of more than a decade of ugly incidents involving English supporters on their European travels: Tottenham Hotspur in Rotterdam in 1974 and 1983, Leeds United in Paris in 1975, Manchester United in St Etienne in 1977, the national team in Basle in 1981 and so on until the spiral of moronic violence reached its tragic conclusion. No Liverpool fan has ever tried to deflect the blame. But it IS a well know fact that both sets of fans (LFC and Juve) Protested against the final being played at a dilapidated stadium and it should NEVER have been chosen as a CL final location. Justice for the 39. And dont you EVER go online again trying to point score weaponizing Heysel without knowing the very deep and complicated story. There was MUCH more to it than what you think.
@@erikalsgaard8880 No Liverpool fan has ever tried to deflect the blame?? Come on now... Don't be daft. There was a docu on Belgian TV last year to mark the 35th anniversary where a Liverpool supporter said he laughed when they came to arrest him for manslaughter and claimed he had no choice but to throw masonry at Juve fans because it was loose. Then we have the idiotic conspiracy theory that Chelsea fans disguised themselves as Liverpool supporters just to discredit them... Oh and how long did it take LFC to apologise?
@@monton80 pathetic comment how can you blame a whole fanbase beacuse of some idiots but anyways you are a man so I don't expect sense from you.
Very well structured video.
Thanks 🤝
Heysel should never have been picked to stage such a prestigious game in the first place, both Liverpool and Juve were unhappy about the Venue and tickets arrangements, UEFA also need to shoulder some blame for allowing Juve fans to get hold of neutral area tickets, the 80's being the 80's, UEFA, Belgian Police and English and Italian Police would have been anticipating trouble regardless of where it was played, its as if UEFA were looking for trouble, and they got what they seemingly wanted... In the aftermath though, it wasn't just Liverpool fans who were convicted of Manslaughter and sent to jail, but Several Top Officials and a Police Captain were also convicted, interestingly, one of the Liverpool fans arrested was Ronnie Jepson, who went on to play for 8 clubs in the Football League and is currently Assistant Manager at Huddersfield, he would ultimately be cleared and found not guilty... Hillsborough was an accident waiting to happen, there'd been problems 12 months before when Liverpool played there in the FA Cup Semi, there'd also been a crush in the early 80's and seemingly nothing was done about it... The Authorities were solely to blame for that god awful shitty mess and should have went to jail for it as well With Heysel and later Hillsborough, the face of football as we know it changed, The Taylor Reports conclusions brought about Safer Stadiums and a better overall match day experience
Thanks, Ive always wondered what caused this & why we never talk about it here in the UK, I remember seeing this unfold as a teenager and the horrific scenes that took place. Liverpool fans can't wait to tell anyone who will listen in the UK about the injustices of Hillsborough and how they suffered & what victims they are.....and sadly they have suffered, but now I understand why it never suited them to mention Heysel. Thank you for this honest insight.
Welcome!!
The problem is that hooligans still exist in modern football but luckily in lower masses
Yep. We need to keep fighting them.
@@Fiago i know we need to erase hooliganism from football
As an Everton fan, this ruined our glory years
It’s unfortunate. Everton would’ve had 2 big chances to win the UCL. I wouldn’t say it ‘ruined’ your glory years tho. And if any Liverpool screwed then selves the most, their best team ever would’ve had 3 chances to win it.
Same with Norwich. Qualified 3 times in 5 years for the UEFA Cup. That is a huge loss for a club of our size. Only had 1 season in Europe in our whole history
@@TheHesK9 at least ipswich got theres
@@PossiblyGenii exactly it was so easy back then. Teams that would never even qualify now could win it back then
@@TheHesK9 you really think the Norwich teams that would've qualified in the 80s would have beat any of the teams that would end up winning it 😂
Actually the Thatcher government did not very changed stadiums till post Hillsborough. Around the the time of the Heysel disaster, Bradford's stadium burnt out killing 80 fans.
Yea, that started from a discarded cigarette butt that hadn't been stamped out properly. The same thing that caused the King's X fire a few years later - even though this tragedy had nothing to do with football. Fires from cigarette butts link both the Bradford stadium fire and the Kings X fire
@@robtyman4281 .You may call it a conspiracy. But the owner of Bradford 'had suffered several arson attacks on some of his business's ' for which he claimed millions in insurance money. Bradford had just gained promotion and needed a new stand to compete in the premiership. Also lord justice popperwell who suggested it was a cigarette butt, that caused the fire.He was in the same freemason lodge as the Bradford owner 'and Also he was in charge of the Hillsborough inquiry. (He helped in the cover up the truth)..look it up..read for yourself..The people of Bradford should of pushed for the truth like the Hillsborough families..rip.xxx
@@normanrogers735 Ok, here's some historical background info: The Premier League didn't exist in the he mid 80's - it didn't start til 1992 (some seven years later). It's important you and younger fans know this. The top flight clubs were not in a separate league of their own back then, but were all part of the Football League, with four divisions (1 to 4!) . Division One was the equivalent of today's Premier League. This is why Premier Leagues are still able to compete in the League Cup (currently known as the Carabao Cup), despite being in a separate league to the rest of the professional clubs - it's a hang over from the old days. A quirk we still have. Anyway, in terms of the Bradford stadium fire, I never mentioned in anything about a 'conspiracy' or conspiracy theories. The report into what caused the stadium fire, found that it was caused by a discarded cigarette butt that hadn't been put out properly. As with the King's X fire, bits of paper rubbish that hadn't been cleared from under the seating allowed the fire to grown and escalate. The seats were all wooden, not plastic like today. They were decades old and probably from before WW2. The whole ground was dilapidated, not maintained properly and tbh a death trap well before the fire occurred. But this was the 80's. There wasn't the H & S that exists now, the game in England was in a parlous state in general (most football grounds were dilapidated or tatty looking then, through decades if neglect and a lack of investment); and to cap it all the government of the day didn't care about football......or indeed any sport. They simply weren't interested and treated football fans with utter distain.....almost as if they were vermin. The 80's were truly dark times for football and younger people today can't begin to imagine how bad things were then, and the low regard the then government had for the sport and its fans. That's all it was - it wasn't arson for Insurance purposes, and Bradford were not in the verge of going up into Division 1, they were in Division 3 (today's League One) and had just finished top of it, and got promoted to Division 2 (today's Championship league).
@@robtyman4281 .The Bradford fire disaster. Lord justice popperwell suggested a cigarette butt'and every one went with that.he was outted year's later for being involved in the cover up of the Hillsborough disaster. People just accepted his word.Then look at the dodgy Bradford owner and the mysterious fires he had at a number of his business's. You start to begin to smell a rat..
I just went on Google and put in Bradford city owners fire insurance claims..he had 9 incidents including the Bradford fire.he got paid out 27 million pounds in today's money. (The guardian newspaper printed the story.) The owner was told only two days before the fire he needed two million to upgrade the stadium for next season. He was skint.he couldn't even pay his staff..look it up.
As a juve fan never knew the Liverpool and juve tragedy happened. Rip to those 39 juve supporters may they rest in peace.
Uefa would obviously wanted to cover up their mistake and corruption that's why this disaster is not too well known
@@noorulhasan4904 yh that's true they know they would be removed.
we are all sorry for what happened...as a lfc fan...it saddens and angers me that supporters in england and ltaly mock liverpool and juve about hillsborough and heysel....but this is a diseese that can't seem to be arradicated ....l really hope that those 39 angels and 97 angels are now united in the football skies........RlP
Oh dear... I'll try to avoid making any comments about your age or ignorance since pointing out the ignorance of others triggers the other ignorants here apparently. But I'm not too surprised though: the management of Juventus itself never communicates about this event, unlike Man Utd & Liverpool who've done a great job milking sympathy from Munich and Hillsborough. You can't compete with the English in marketing & PR stunts. Juve fan myself but I despise the club's management. Wouldn't be surprised if they signed non disclosure agreements with UEFA to keep this sordid case under the blanket.
@@pritapp788 as a juventino I agree... the heysel tragedy should really be more talked about and remembered by the juventus management. My father told me about it when I was younger, and to always remember those lives, but I never heard anybody talk about it anywhere else. It almost looks like the society doesn't care when they should be teaching youngest fans about it
Thanks for EdufootBalling us
Never hear Liverpool fans talking about the victims of this..........
Neither do I hear Liverpool Fans talking about Hillsborough even though they know about it You won't just randomly say after winning the Premier League : "RIP to the people who died in Heysel and Hillsoborough" would you?
As a liverpool fan never heard of this incident until now. It was a sickening incident. Now i realize why everyone hates us. The amount of noise we hear about the hillsborough tragedy but we should also keep this incident in our minds as to what bad behaviour can result into
When did you last hear about Hillsborough? Since duckenfield got got off there's been total silence
If you're new to what happened look more into it, don't just believe it was Liverpool fans fault. Search for footage and see how much you find that isn't edited.
Undercover United fan says wat
What I remember is that I was 10 years coming back from a school trip Germany, where we came back on a Ferry to Dover, we had to wait on the ferry while the police escorted of the Liverpool fans. We saw many Liverpool fans covered in blood.
Not that I don’t agree with this video because I obviously do it’s disgusting what they did, but we have only heard from 1 side of the story. I can almost guarantee Liverpool fans were attacked and injured badly
@@docsgb6710 Two sections of Liverpool fans against one Juventus, NEVER take for granted that the people that hold these events will protect the paying customers. 8 police officers, what a joke, as soon as the dividing fence was broken they probably headed for the hills
@@docsgb6710 .Thats correct. Liverpool fans was injured. I have a photo on my phone of my mate.he got badly cut across the head by a face covered juve ultra.He had his yellow liverpool shirt wrapped around his head to stop the blood..i still have my ticket from the neutral section of the stadium the trouble started in..
@@normanrogers735 how many liverpool fans were killed at heysel?
@@docsgb6710 utter bollocks ,More Selfpity from the Scumbags
The game should have never been played after such a horrible incident. It was a bad idea to place liverpool and juventus fans next to each other. That stadium was also a craphole and it never should have been played there. Rip to those 39 ppl 💔. Also ppl need to stop blaming liverpool fc for the incident. Blame those fans who were responsible for the deaths of those 39 ppl. The club cannot be held responsible for the actions of some fans.
You're right! It's disgraceful to hate a whole fanbase for what some idiots did
@@Fiago Part of it is Evertonians that are still bitter about how they didn't get to play in the European Cup because of the ban. When we won the Champions League in 2005 and finished outside the top four in the Premier League, there was the fiasco of who should qualify for it - ourselves or Everton, who'd finished fourth - because at the time no country could have more than four teams in it and it wasn't clear what should happen if the holders were from a country with four places and finished outside the top four in that country's league. That happened to Real Madrid in 2000, and the Spanish FA nominated them to take part at the expense of fourth placed Real Zaragoza, but I can't help wonder if the reason why our own FA were reluctant to follow suit was because they didn't want the Everton fans thinking 'Not again!' If so then it's understandable. Had Everton again been denied the chance to play in the competition because of us then we'd never have heard the last of it! (Although it wouldn't have been quite the same, because it would've been because of the competition rules rather than any sort of disciplinary issue, plus Everton would've still got a UEFA Cup place, and even that would've still been their first European football for 10 years, but the Everton fans wouldn't have seen it that way!)
@@Inkyminkyzizwoz liverpool entered the champions that season, through the prelimnary round
@@erniebarker9369 I know
@@Inkyminkyzizwoz They have a good point !
This was really informing. I had no idea, But could you please make a vid abt the disgusting Highbury disaster please? Alot of people don’t know exactly what happened and i think they need to be informed. Some people are also making jokes abt it.
I suppose you mean the Hillsborough Disaster? 🥶
@@Fiago it’s sometimes called the Highbury disaster as well because this is what the stadium in which it happened is called
@@jalmerbakker7018 man ... Highbury was arsenal's stadium .Hillsborough was the name of the stadium in which the disaster happened
@@jalmerbakker7018 it’s never been called the Highbury disaster. I don’t know where you got that from.
I've lived in the UK for at least a decade, watched a lot of football news/docs from Sky and most British influenced media. They always talk about the Hillsborough Disaster, paying homage to Liverpool and Nottingham fans that watched the match between both clubs. I heard a lot of news about Russian hooligans attacking English fans during an Euro 2016 match between both nations, even people using that as a reason to justify boycotting Russia's hosting of the 2018 WC. But never did I hear a thing about the Heysel Disaster, perhaps it's probably part of an agenda to cover up dark/despicable moments of English football history.
@@PossiblyGenii On Sky Channels?
You are 100 per cent correct!!!! Liverpool are the medias Blue Eyed Boys…. If it were Chelsea you wouldn’t hear the end of it….
Your right I’m a united fan scousers will let you know about Hillsboro all day long but never do they mention they killed 39 ilatians. Even Mark Lawrenson admits they never talk about it.
They even did a poll and asked Liverpool Fans if they had a chance what 1 thing would they change about their past…. And do you know what their top answer was?? The Steven Gerrard slip WHAT THE FUCK what about their night of mass murder in 1985
@@DudleyBlue Yeah Bro Scousers are Cunts.
It's such a nice older looking stadium in the photos. You can tell it's like something out of the mid 20th century. Shame that this happened and thank you for filling this uninformed Australian in on this incident.
Welcome man, thanks for the fedback!
Norwich City fan here. We had just won the League Cup at Wembley, and we were relegated from the First Division the same season. We would’ve played in the 85/86 UEFA Cup if it weren’t for the Heysel Disaster. Not only that, but also as a second-tier side which would’ve made it even more special. I don’t particularly have anything against Liverpool fans, in face I have 2 friends who are, but I won’t ever forget this.
That's a shame mate, since Norwich don't have much of a history in Europe. I feel for Everton too. They won the league twice during the ban. They would've been one of the favourites to win the European Cup had it not been for the ban. They'd be looked upon much differently as a club if they had that trophy in their cabinet.
Europe was shut back then anyway. Games mostly played in half empty stadia. You'd have probably played some team from Iceland and got knocked out
Great content
When you posted the poll on instagram , i thought you were going to talk about the Hillsborough disaster which will forever be the biggest catastrophy in english football , i really hope you make a video about it
One thing you should perhaps have mentioned is that at the time the ban was issued, it was actually indefinite and the decision to lift it was taken retrospectively
I don’t think they ever meant for it be permanent, like I think ban was there until the hooligan problem was dealt with
@@Inkyminkyzizwoz fix lol
hi, could you cover the hillsborough disaster? would love to know about it!
amazing video!!
Appreciate it mate
Corrupt UEFA game and the game was won by a future Corrupt UEFA official goal how ironic 🤦🏼♀️
Notice how no Liverpool players had any arguments with that clearly outside of the box free being given as a pen. Liverpool knew going into the game they shouldn’t win this. Imagine the scandal if they did.
@@user-ye8dk9zl7d You're overlooking the effect it had on the players. The fact that the players knew what was happening, they could see it was going on. Grobbelaar's most vivid memory of that match - a lost girl with one shoe looking for... someone. Liverpool manager Joe Fagan retired in tears and never watched another game again.
@@jonisilk I know that’s partly what I was saying. There was no way Liverpool would let themselves win that game.
@@user-ye8dk9zl7d Kenny Dalglish said after the game that Liverpool didn't know that anyone had died so what you say makes no sense. Liverpool went into that European Cup final to win it like they did in 1984, 1981, 1978 and 1977. A 5th European cup in 9 years was the target.
@@CoolDude-jp1kj Mate they knew something terrible had happened. Liverpool players had to say on a loudspeaker before the game for everyone to stop and calm down. It why they didn’t appeal the pen.
The reason Everton never won a European Cup, ironic that it was Liverpool who ruined our chances.
You had no chance anyway. Couldn't even win the league in 86
Everton won it in ‘85, and ‘87 instead!!...💙🖕🏻🤣...There you go you GOBSHITE!..
I know. Bit touchy aren't you? 1995 😂@@frankhornby6873
@@steve-kl9ivYou lost the league at Goodison Park 😂😂😂😂 Klippitys farewell Tour put to bed by THE PEOPLES CLUB KOPITES ARE GOBSHITES 😂😂
l'm a liverpool fan. l'm now 43, and l still vividly remember watching the heysel disaster on BBC tv with my parents in our home in London in 1985....l was only 7 at the time...But l've never forgotton it...and its LFC's and english football's most shameful moments...But looking into this over the decades...l wanna know how such a shit hole of a stadium in brussells was chosen for the biggest game in european club football...the heysel stadium simply was falling apart. ...Arsenal and Valencia fans said that 5 years previously when their clubs played each other in the old European 'cup winners' cup final in 1980.....To make matters worse...The section of block z of heysel was supposed to be for neutrals....bull shit and lies...The majority of those tickets were always going to end up in the hands of juve fans...Because even to this day their is a big italian community in brussells then and now... Both the juve and liverpool fans were right next to each other in the same part of the stadium with only a flimsy chicken wire fence and a thin police line segregating the fans...How the f*** was that going to keep rival fans apart?....lt was a disaster waiting to happen...And what we saw was so horrific and so sad...Those LFC fans at heysel that fateful day should be hung, drawn and quartered for their actions....But so should the people UEFA and the belgian FA for choosing that run down dump of a stadium in the first place....This whole thing stinks of corruption....RlP 39
It like Saturday if you went mate
@@andrewwright4195 sorry i don't follow?...you what?
@@nikreece6295 talking about the champion league final this year
@@andrewwright4195 yeah?....what about it?
What made the Heysel ban worse was that Everton won the league that year, so would've played in the European Cup the following season, but they didn't get to because of the ban, and there's still some resentment of that to this day. I remember in 2015 there was an Everton fan going on about it and effectively blaming it for the club having underachieved so much, despite the fact that this was 25 years after the ban was lifted, which I'd say is long enough for it to no longer be a factor in them not doing so well - or anyone else for that matter, because funnily enough no other English clubs use it as an excuse! Let's face it, when we won the Champions League in 2005, that was the first of five consecutive finals featuring at least one English club, which I'd say indicated that they'd well and truly recovered from the ban by then! Indeed, the 2008 final was an all English one, and that was the year that English clubs reached the top of the UEFA rankings for the first time since Heysel
Rangers got banned for 2 years out off europe in 72 for trouble at the cup winners cup final appealed and got it cut down to one year but all scottish clubs didnt get banned why shud they for wat rangers do
@@davidbroadley126 Exactly. Banning Liverpool might have made sense, but not the rest of the English clubs!
@@Inkyminkyzizwoz obviously you weren’t around at the time. Every English club had hooligans in 1985, and England exported it abroad. It was the English disease, and Heysel was the final straw.
Everton at that time had a fantastic team who not only won the League, but the Cup Winners Cup and reached the FA Cup Final. IMO They could have won the European Cup the following season and if they had the whole future of the club might have been very different. As for Heysel huge mistakes were made. Firstly it was pretty obvious that the stadium simply wasn`t good enough. It was a dump to put it simply. Secondly having a "neutral block" next to the Liverpool fans was ridiculous given the large Italian immigrant population living in Belgium. It was pretty obvious that the huge majority of those tickets would be snapped up by Juventus fans. Why were Juventus given the entire end of the stadium and Liverpool only 2 thirds of theirs? Thirdly the Policing. Only 8 policemen placed between thousand of rival fans? Come on that`s a joke. And finally the finger has to be pointed at Liverpool. Not only their fans but in some ways the club themselves. The way they distributed their tickets should have been looked at. I worked in Liverpool at the time and got off my commuter train at Lime Street Station a couple of weeks before the final to see thousands of people queuing up to buy rail and ticket packages to Brussells. Yes the club had given a large number of their allocation to British Rail to sell to anybody who turned up with the money. I could have gone if I had wanted and I`m far from being a LFC fan. There was no checks etc on who got those tickets yet as far as I know this was never mentioned in the aftermath. And the final thing is they way this has virtually been forgotten about by the club. Every year they hold a service for the victims of Hillsborough and quite rightly but no mention is ever made of this disaster. Last week they even held a victory parade through the the streets of Liverpool on the anniversary of Heysel. How insensitive can they get?
@@36Bruno But it benefitted England. It made the Premier league the best league in the world
This was my first European trip and last, Section Z wasnt just Juve fans, it had lots of Liverpool fans in aswell, the trouble started pretty much as soon as the ground started to fill and BOTH sets of fans were to blame for the carnage not just Liverpool, The police were taking the Liverpool fans out of section Z and moving them to the Liverpool pens, Fans trying to leave were being attacked, it was a mess, the stadium was a disgrace, my friend was hit in the face with a piece of concrete which came from the steps of the terrace just falling apart, he ended up with 60 stitches in his face, it was whilst we were at the first aid that the fence came down, the scars my friend got that night effected he whole life, lost his job and never had a girlfriend after that, will never forget that night and so preventable, all they to do was give each club the sections behind both goals, RIP to all fans down the years that never made it home from a game of football, so sad.
The police should have been fined for billions the people at uefa that caused this should get the death penalty no ban should have been in place and uefa should have been abolished
Or why don't fans just not be violent? I don't get why the blame is always shifted
As an LFC fan, I am sincerely sorry about this incident. This case is unconditionally our responsibility, and I'm also really upset to see some LFC fans avoiding books. I'm sorry again.
My dad was 25 at the time and went to the game aswell. He was a neutral Belgian fan but he said this lots of times.. he could see it was serious and did not understand why the Juventus players were cheering and walking around happy with their trophy on the pitch. He says that was shameful to see :(
What was shameful was the thuggish horrible vile Liverpool supporters rioting causing the deaths of 39 people. Horrible bunch
Good information, nice video.
Thanks!
I love watching old fiago videos
Although Liverpool fans behaviour was unforgivable, UEFA scape goated them for their poor decision in holding the final there. Also banning all English clubs was such a spiteful decision made because of dominance of English clubs not because of hooligans. Look at Turkish clubs recent conduct and explain why they are never banned.
That stadium 🏟 was unsafe. UEFA should have known that. Before, it was still crumbling. English fans who went to that stadium complained about the conditions. Liverpool fans didn't sabotage the stadium. One fan said you can take a piece of the brick and throw it. Liverpool was a scapegoat.
Really nice vid
Great video, I was just a kid at the time, I remember seeing this story on the news. You should cover why Jurventus was sent to division three for one year.
Intanto la Juventus no ey stata mandata in terza divisione ma i B Per sequestro di persona ..l'unico pretesto che avevano dopo la morte di Agnelli nel 2004 Il Milan, l'Inter e altre squadre che telefonavano agli arbitri hanno vinto dei titoli rubati.e poi 11 anni a testa senza scudetti Lo sanno tutti che la Juve ey andata in b solo perché Moggi ha detto di avere chiuso L'Arbitro nello spogliatoio E ha fatto bene Arbitro cornuto.. c'è bil video del rigore non dato alla Juve..fallo di mano da pallavolo E in piyun gol annullato
UEFA officials were probably corrupt or cheap or a combination of both, plan the event properly with enough security and you won't have the same problems. Hopefully they have figured this issues out so it never happens again.
I'm on the PL side its UEFA's fault
I had never heard of this disaster which shocks me, considering how many years i have followed and watched football. EUFA and belgian authorities could have prevented it to some degree, but as a liverpool fan, I am ashamed of this disaster, and I hope the 39 victims that lost their lives rest in peace to this day. God rest their souls. We must never forget that at the end of the day, in a very literal sense, football is just a game. But at the same time, it's more than that. It brings people together like no other sport, and we must never EVER sink this low again. There is enough hate in the world without disasters and incidents such as this, and in such a cruel world, we need to focus on togetherness, kindness and compassion, not violence and hate. As i said, may the 39 people who died rest in peace.
"As a Liverpool fan." Utter disgrace that you don't know about this.........................................................
@@raversrevenge8452 You know, people aren't born with the knowledge of these things - they have to learn about them, so there are always going to be some people that haven't yet!
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Took me a while to realise this was Fiago, Fiagos really come a long way😂😂😂😂😂
Did this video show up out of nowhere? 😂
You should do one on the ibrox disaster in the 70’s or the 1900’s
Was at that that at the celtic end was 14 left at 0 0 just got to the bottom off the stairs and celtic scored heading to govan cross to get a bus to drumchapel on the way to get bus heard a roar thot it was time up but it was rangers equalizing didnt know rangers had scored till I got home
@@davidbroadley126 wow. I’m glad you didn’t get hurt or anything that must’ve been some shock when you heard about it when getting back in
Of course people don’t know this. Liverpool fans stick their fingers in their ears when you mention it… but Hillsborough, they will shout about even the maths shows that thousands did show up without tickets at Hillsborough too, adding to the police mismanagement and stadium layout for the crush
There's literally 0 evidence of people getting in without tickets. Typical English.
My man just woke up
Exactly 😂😂. At first he sounded like he was high😂😂
I remember watching it all unfolding live on tv....shameful!!!
Yes it was Liverpool who did it but UEFA should have known that something might have happened that night but it is sad that this even happened
UEFA banned all English clubs, not just Liverpool, after Heysel because hooliganism had been rife in English football for many years before Heysel. Fans of English clubs were constantly involved in violent hooliganism across Europe, so much so that European teams that qualified for any European competitions dreaded facing English clubs. There was such a severe problem that UEFA was constantly being implored to ban English clubs before a grave incident occurred. In typical UEFA fashion, money came first, and they ignored the warnings until the inevitable happened at Heysel. Following that, they had no excuse and banned all English teams from all European competitions.
Such an odd decision to host it here, Should have been at the Bernabu as it was (and still is) in an acceptable condition to host a UCL. The UEFA are at fault for this
Definitely horrible planning
UEFA are not at fault for this, the fans who chose to over run the police to get at the Juventus fans are to blame for this. The wall wouldn't have been pushed over if fans had stayed in their area.
Nice video bro
Thanks man!
one aspect you missed, was the erecting of pen fencing in a large number of emglish grounds, which ironically led to the hillsborough disaster.
2:56 im no event organiser but surely the best option would be to make Y, X and Z liverpool fans and G, N and M juventus fans so that way there was 0 chance of a fight breaking out
I know bro like it’s common sense
Yeah why did it have only 2 for Liverpool
I’ve been saying the same thing for years.
He said that it was supposed to be but the UEFA officials who were corrupt gave them to Italian companies and not English meaning it got sent to Juve fans
Had to watch it in x1.25 just so it feels like you
Lmaooo I gave my best speaking slowly
The legacy of this event can still be seen today. English football fans are hated by institutions across Europe and England itself, tbh it’s quite understandable.
Nah i still hate Red Scum Belgrade the most
I've never been abroad, but watched the game on tv in Britain 1985 - the next day my late dad (Man. Utd fan) & all the Man. Utd fans at work berated & accused me of everything under the sun, as if I was personally responsible..
Yes there were hooligans on both sides but yes it was English hooliganism that contributed to this incident. But don't mix this up with Hillsborough please. I watched both games unfold before my very eyes and remember how horrified I was. Please rest in peace for the 39 juve supporters. No one should Go to a game and not return.
People are quick to put all the blame the supporters but why not Uefa? There was no way that stadium was fit for a European Cup final? To me they should share an equal blame
The everton team of the time would have won everything if they weren’t banned
Bullshit
@@skeletorcavani4046 sad you didn't played against Chelsea or do i give a shit #COYG
@@skeletorcavani4046 well he isn’t wrong even as a Liverpool fans myself that Everton team in the 80s was quality
Ha ha stop talking bolloxs
@@sunnyxdays1036 it’s true
My grandfather told me about this as we was there, pretty sure he was at the neutral block since he is a Bayern fan
Wow 😳
Didn’t know about this. Can’t believe they allowed this to happen
I learned about this after the 2018 libertadores cup when my dad told me that they should have banned Argentine clubs like English clubs. That would make them learn a lesson.
How did I know this back when I was 11 when I didn’t even know who Michael Owen is?
I was actually outside the stadium for something else when this happened. The chaos i won't forget
Cover the Ellis Park Disaster imo, biggest football disaster in African history
I haven’t heard about this disaster. Would love to learn
Orlando pirates v Kaiser chiefs. 43 people killed in 2001. Terrible disaster.
As an Englishman it is embarrassing how some of our fans still behave to this day but back in the 80s it was terrible we deserved our European ban and yes it hurt our game a lot. Thankfully today it’s a minority that behave in this way today but yes our reputation is still poor when probably other countries fans act worse than ours do. Maybe it’s just an English mentality thing but I still feel we are hated around Europe still to this day but I think it’s mostly placed around jealousy of our domestic game not because we sit above everyone on a tactical or technical level or even the fact that financially our league is very strong it’s the style of football created by the passion of the support the fans demand commitment and intensity for 90 mins and that you wear your heart on your sleeve at all times to the English fan football is religion loyalty to your club is unwavering that’s what people are envious of the excitement in the tempo of the game. If the hatred comes only for hooliganism then it’s just simply double standards because all over the world these days it’s probably a lot safer going to an English football ground than many other across Europe and South America
The Everton team that won the league in 85 were exceptional- they were nailed on to win the European Cup the year the ban started - real shame
Im italian and i Remember Everton squad Everton won Cup winners Cup.and ifn they coudnt have been banned, they could have won European Cup 1986.. Juventus Everton was the supercup final match that has never been played
Michel Platini - One of the greatest, most underrated and unknown legends
The stadium and the officials where equally to blame for the disaster as the fans heysel was not fit for purpose and and the officials where rife with corruption then the fans got the blame despite the division of the fans being tantamount to provocation I’m not excusing the violent fans but it was well known how to prevent violence by this point but the fans make a great scapegoat
I don't see any blame being aimed at Uefa. They are equally at fault
@@dazzamcg2369 that’s part of what I meant by the officials mate
I seen an Italian on tv with a pistol no Liverpool fans had knives or pistols ,plus you are right about the state of the ground ,also gets your facts right the Italians fans in the neutral zone where attacking liverpool fans 1st, one man carrying his son through the neutral zone with Italians to the Liverpool zone was punched and spat at and that was before the retaliation ,its so sad that people died but your summary of the Liverpool fans is way out of order before you do these vids get all the facts ,Maggie was the reason all English clubs were banned
Totally agree with you, always easier to blame the LFC fans❤️
Always the victims. Pathetic.
Never your fault you pricks. Justice for the 96 never the 39.
@@richiel2105 Yobs the lot of you. Killed 39 in 85 and contributed to the 96 at Hillsborough. Embarrassment of the North.
Always the victim, it’s never your fault.
Worked out 4 us up at 90% seater ibrox. We got the best English playets+ others up here. If the over border rules had not been in place in that time. Sounss had best team in UEFA but had to play 3 jocks in side.
Didn't really work out as the debts and cheating from this era caught up with you and the club was liquidated 🤑🤢🥶
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The golden boys from Liverpool are never to blame for anything. That’s 2 disasters that they’ve been involved in but it’s always someone else’s fault
Hillsborough wasn't their fault based on the evidence I have seen, but Heysel certainly is, and needs to be spoken of more. I know many LFC fans born in the 90's that literally never knew about Heysel if i hadn't mentioned it to them.