Lawrence Dallaglio Rewatches The Brutal 1997 Lions Tour To South Africa | Rugby Union | RugbyPass
Lawrence Dallaglio sat down with Jim Hamilton to rewatch the first test of the 1997 Lions tour to South Africa.
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As a South African in my sixties, the 1974 and 1997 Lions tours still hurt. But all credit to two absolutely fantastic touring teams. The British Lions are a magnificent rugby institution and long may they continue.
British and Irish
Joseph O'Dwyer Sorry. My bad. British and Irish Lions indeed.
@@shaunjayes8842 Your apology is well accepted from me, an Irishman. It is a common error expressed by, not just by foreigners like yourself, but more often by people who live in the UK. That aside. Thanks for your wonderful sporting comment. I have never been to South Africa, or on a Lions tour. I am, like yourself, in my sixties and recently retired. So I am thinking of going on next year's tour.
JC If you come out here mate, look me up. We have the most beautiful country with passionate rugby supporters (as you surely know) and you would love it here. The exchange rate works immensely in your favour, so it will be a really cheap holiday. I’m in Johannesburg and would relish the opportunity to take you around.
We won in 1997 and played out of our socks
As a South African, I find it humbling that a player of his calibre rates a tour to SA as the pinnacle of his career
why wouldnt he? here in britain any rugby player or fan really rates the south africans very highly. here in ulster weve had many SA players over the last 10 years. ruan pienaar is practically a god here, as is johann muller. and if he keeps up the form he is in then marcell Coetzee will soon be joining them
Rubbish man, Touring South Africa is the ultimate challenge!!
Hush noob
What does hush noob mean?
Especially given that Dallaglio was part of the great England team which won the World Cup in 2003.
Lawrence Dallaglio was a great player and a great leader. Loved this interview, he speaks brilliantly. From a South African. 👍🏼
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Looks like he's been attacked with a knife
Hi from Argentina. Lawrence Dallaglio, an excellent player and his words are as clear as cristal is. Many thanks for share this chat !
Love Lawrence and I am Welsh! A true competitor. I remember a Euro match when Wasps came to Pontypridd who had a good team in those days and a full house at Ponty was not for the faint hearted. The city slickers coming to the valleys and all that! The cameras were in the tunnel before the teams came out and Lawrence is bouncing on his toes and loving the challenge. A true test match animal. In that Lions series he took his lumps at the bottom of rucks. Top bloke, top player. Huge respect for the man as a player and even handed pundit.
Watched this series as a South African, distinctly remember Lawrence's play as being superb throughout the series! What a wonderful player of the game!
I love listening to Lawrence Dallaglio talk. He’s been there and done it all in rugby. Great interview, thank you for a great listen.
he talks very well i must say
I met him in a pub in Putney few years back and he really is a lovely bloke ... didn’t even know me but took the time to have a chat with me ... legend 🏴
I played against a SA team once, brutal experience but it was kind of nice knowing what was coming, you think 'oh, that's what it's like', I remember even my bones hurt after that game
Respect sir 👍
Lawrence Dallaglio had an epic career and it makes me so proud as a South African to hear him talk about that tour being the most memorable. I can’t wait to see the Springboks play the Lions in July! Growing up in South Africa, the lions touring South Africa brings back great rugby memories.Reading these comments about how much other nations love playing South Africa, gives me the shivers I’m so proud!
Game on this weekend. Come on the Lions.
Jim Hamilton is a very good facilitator for conversation like this. Take a great occasion, and a great contributor......and Jim has created the right environment for sharing, anecdotes.....hats off.
to get selected for the british and irish lions tour has to be one of the most rare occasions a rugby player could experience on either side of the coin. mad respect from south africa.
Wonderful tour. My mate got married that day and we have still not forgiven him.
😂 I wouldn't either
My myt washed the dishes that day and I didn't forgive her yet
My mate got married on 2019 rwc final... I actually didn't mind given the result
Forgive him my friend its wise thing to do.
@@charlesratladi1309 Wellm we are still best friends 23 years later!
I really enjoyed this as it encapsulates the uniquely special place Lions Tours have in rugby lore. As a New Zealander I'll never forget the fantastic 1971 side, the first to beat the All Blacks. Too many legends in that team to name them all. But the architect of that team was Carwyn James, a coach ahead of his time. I remember him yelling at his coaching sessions, "Think, think, think." The core of that team went on to beat the mighty Boks in 1974. Great memories.
As a Kiwi i have to admit that South Africa have always been our greatest rival. There's no other team more physical and motivated to play against
As a South African I I had to admit New Zealand has always been very very well respected here but also brutally hated 😹 it’s all love though
I would have to agree - I watched Sid Going, Grant Batty & Bryan Williams at Newlands and still have vivid memories of Bryan Williams running with ball in hand - there is no atmosphere to beat this match up. Interestingly & bizarrely enough my team Western Province beat the AB's 12-11 in 76.
Greatest rivalry in rugby. Period.
As a Saffa, I have huge respect for the All Blacks, such class. I reckon SA players and fans have a different feeling playing against the All Blacks than they do against any other team.
I'm a huge fan of Kiwi rugby. Great love and respect between our nations. Your veteran legends are as memorable to me as our Springbok legends.
remember this series, watched it live at Newlands. Epic rugby all round, legends in the making.
Wow. What a nice interview. Respect Dallaglio from a South African.
Really enjoyed listening to Lawrence never heard him speak before just watched him on the paddock Kia Ora from NZ
That was a quick 17 minutes. Lawrence, what a legend
I was fortunate enough to watch all three test matches. The second test in Durban was a real war of attrition. Martin Johnson was fabulous. He galvanized the Lions and truly put his body on the line in defence. I couldn't believe how poorly the Springboks kicked for posts in Durban. If I recall correctly, they didn't get one shot over. After the test match, I remember inviting a bunch of Scots into the box I was in and we stayed late into the night at Kings Park. Fantastic tour and great to hear the perspectives from one of the opposition and one of the stand out forwards on the tour.
97/98 boks was a great era for the boks later that year they started with a record run of wins. Beating the northern hemisphere teams by huge margins but its great when players respect each other like these veterans. Sports fans can learn a thing or two from rugby players no respect on field but the world of respect off field.
Great interview and to see Lol share his insights👍 This tour was the stimulus to my trip to AUS in 2001 and some great experiences from the GABA through Melbourne to Sydney; another series win was within our grasp at the Colonial Stadium though snatched from us on the 2nd half but didn’t ever disappoint 👍🥰👌
Great chat guys. Thank you. South Africa welcomes you.
Wonderful video! Had a wee aside with Lawrence in the hotel the morning of the Calcutta Cup match year. Really nice guy. Jim Hamilton is literate! Both excellent pundits.
Great Interview... well done. Listen it's always a tremendous honor to play in these tests and the physicality that goes along with these tours is immense, SA has a point to prove and so has the Lions , as a rugby fanatic it will be bloody and it will be tight but still it's a hooligan' s game played by gentlemen. It's not about winning the game but coming together as a brotherhood and defending the honor of your country. There will be blood and tears left on the field but still 30 players shaking hands afterwards and congratulating eachother on being a honorable opponent. From a Springbok supporter.
The best tour ever. Opened up rugby to a whole new audience and created Living with the Lions......which is clearly a #lockdown necessity. Well spoken Larry.......but I’m sure Scotty Q is chuffed you gave his bro the credit.
Ian James you beat me to it! Was just going to say I can’t remember hippo being a Lion😂
Fair play all round. Great bit of banter. Was never near the quality of these guys but loved ever single minute of my playing days. Mates for life and we can all moan about our arthritis together. TKe care all
That dummy from Dawson was sublime. It looked like it was a last minute instinctive decision to hold onto the ball after the entire Springbok team, the crowd, everyone watching on TV and his own team had been sold.
I was sold from the sofa!
Yes, it didn't look like an intentionally planned dummy. I think he meant to pass and saw no one in support, do he just went with it... He fooled everyone, though.
He even fooled himself with that one...
He makes a great point about getting the right "emotional hook" that everyone can hold onto. It's often the difference in evenly matched teams.
Great bloke Dallaglio. Fascinating interview. Makes me eager to go to SA next year..
It'll be cancelled
Getting big and strong has always been an important measure among South African boys as we grow up: not in terms of aesthetic physique or how much you can lift, but how tough you are, how much of a beating you can endure/dish out and keeping up intensity from start to finish. Slowing down, lowering intensity or "wimping" out has always been frowned upon here. It's harsh, but it builds a good rugby player. When you're working on the farm, you don't take a break while your buddy/brother is working next to you: you push to do one bit more than him, competing for the rest of your life, which makes you seem like a "beast" when someone else joins in on the work without ever being in such a tough environment. Some take it too far as although the players play like beasts on the field, they tend to be gentle and kind people off the field. Sometimes the passion for the sport and the belief in victory and unity as a result are even more important than tangible physical aspects, something which the Bokke also has as an edge.
That's a great post. Thanks💙👊🌍
Boer have always had a tough reputation, your comment explains why the Boks have had such a tough reputation over the years
nice insight for us Brits
What a great video. England supporter here, and Bok fan. It's gonna be awesome! Swing low, baby! 🏴🏉
The video was the making of this tour. It was great, you got a real feeling of the passion of these great players. Sadly never to be repeated, soon a Lions tour will just be a couple of test matches, times are changing, glad I have seen the best of the Lions tradition.
I am planning to meet my South African mate in Umhalanga Rocks near Durban again before flying down to Cape Town for the 2 tests. World Champions v The Lions in 2021 will be amazing.
Additionally, lots of lovely South African ladies waiting for you there and who love the Brits in Umhalanga Rocks, if you get my drift ;-) Had an amazing time with the South African ladies in Umhalanga Rocks ;-)
The weather is great here at the moment, not as hot and humid as usually.
In South Africa we can definitely feel the atmosphere and anticipation starting to build. This is a great interview and this type of content is having an impact in this sense of build up that we're starting to feel. I would love for the same Springboks team that won the 2019 RWC to be the team that plays the 3 Lions tests, but we know that this will not be the case, sadly. With Scotland and Ireland making a quick RWC exit, then the Springboks beating Wales and then England in that final, the Lions will be fired up for what should be an epic clash of the rugby titans!! Bring on the Lions tour to South Africa to face the World Champion Springboks!!! (If any incoming tourists get invited to social events with South Africans, don't turn down those invites. You will love the experience of mingling with us locals around a braai, before watching the games together).
Yes its a Gay atmosphere with 30 sweaty men touching each other
That's what rugby is about. I find that most rugby fans are just that: _rugby_ fans. Sure, it's great if your team wins, but the more important thing is that it is a good game. Nobody wants to see 50-nil. You want a match, where the margin is down to a single score or thereabouts. Swing low, baby! 🏉🏴
@@kondhaarful You are talking nonsense. This game comes from the 19th century and those guys were nót gay.
Boks Ave always been bullys, think the can intimate other teams they hate the Brits go's bck to the war, I wuldnt braai wth a bunch of duchman talking kak
@@darrentodd3591 You sound like the salty one you are talking about. BTW we just won against the British ans Irish Lions again
Fantastic tour, this was an era of true gladiators! Springbok fan forever, but much respect to the lions.
Really great interview and fantastic insight thank you Lawrence and Jim...
Excellent interview, superb questions and a superb insight to a lions test match.
I played only school rugby in South Africa . Was in Paarl Boys High in the mid to late 70's. Even then it was an incredibly hard business. I broke bones, knee cap slipped out , fingers etc. We thought this is just how it is done. It was only later that I learned that international teams regarded the Springboks as their psychically hardest teams to compete against. Thank you to Dallaglio---he was a legend too of course. No pushover that's for sure
Great stuff. Shared many beers with Laurence back in the wasps days at Sudbury.
LEGENDS every single one of them, nice to hear the Rugby League lads had a big input. Long Live The Lions
Thanks Lawrence and Jim, respect to you both for all your efforts and achievements in your sport.
Watched the replay just before this. Great stuff, really interesting to hear from Lawrence.
Great piece, what a tour.
Great interview, from South Africa!
Great interview. Looking forward to the tour 2021.
Enjoyed that, but Lawrence did not mention the unsung hero of that tour Neil Jenkins, he was there to kick goals which he did all tour!
100% agree. He made South Africa pay everytime. From memory I the the S.A kicker missed quite a few.
I have to agree, on this tour South Africa scored 9 tries to 3 and still lost the series. Joel Stransky missed almost all his kicks whereas Jenkins missed nothing. Unsung hero for sure. One of the games the Boks scored 3 tries to zero and lost. Stransky never played for South Africa again.
Very interesting chat. Thanks. LD always talks in a well balanced, objective way.
Fascinating insights. Great vid guys.
this was amazing, hope there is part 2 and 3 with Lol and big Jim
what a joy to watch great interviewer and Laurence is a really articulate Guy in addition of course to one of the best number 8,s to ever play the game
I really do hope all our present players & pundits from other rugby shows will take note of how eloquently Lawrence speaks here. intelligent ,insightful & he doesn't therefore need to resort to effing n blinding every sentence, in an attempt as so many do now thinking ( mistakenly) it makes them look smart. or funny. . It doesn't ,Top marks for a great video.
Johnson and Dallaleo are the most Roman looking people I have ever seen,they literally should be cast as Roman centurians.in every film of that day.
centurions? Johno should be caesar
They’re far too tall!
Lawrence, yes, I can see the centurion thing. Jonno, not so much. He would be the barbarian gladiator they feed to the wild beasts in the arena...
you should see their wives...
That's true!
Great interview Jim. Top class again
That was fantastic to watch , big respect to all from Wales.
I remember watching this tour as a youngster... was gutted with the loss for SA but it was my first introduction to the Lions. Great interview bringing back memories. Bring on 2021!
Lions vs SA vs NZL, what an incredible sporting tradition
I was there when Guscott won it for the Lions, as a Springbok fan it was heartbreaking to witness but it was still an amazing experience seeing the Lions live nonetheless...
Agreed. I was there too, the after-party at Kings Park was immense!
@John Mitchell Very true...
Good to watch The Dark Lord, that is Martin Johnson playing.
The physical bullying he speaks of goes back to the Boer war. In the prison camps the English guards would play against the Boers and this was the chance the prisoners had to stick to the guards - and they gave it their all! Once the war was over, the resentment was obviously still there so they kept that playing style. Now, all these years later the anger has long gone but the mindset lingers.
I could watch Living with Lions over and over again!!
A very interesting interview! Much appreciated!
Great player, think I was at Sirens that night. You guys showed the weaknesses of the 95 World Cup winning side. They won heart not on skill. And the Lions went on to do the same to SA in 97. 🎉Love a good lions tour and probably the best England 8 ever in my view.
Great craic,remember this series,absolutely brutal
It was awesome to watch,lions needed to win for world rugby to go forward 2021 will be like world cup all over again and we will see some amazing rugby regardless who wins
As a South African, a total welcome to the Lions and a superb prospect! We relish the physicality, and a possible win! Respect your enemies and thrive in adversity!..and a big sorry regarding recent events(you know, you know what I'm talking about?), but don't say we didn't told you so! ,)... Good luck, and may the best team win!
Great name
The more I watch these videos the more I look forward to the 2021 tour.
Lions v Springboks rugby just doesn't get better. So much history there. Great interview
Indeed Garth
Good stuff lads. Cant wait for the next time the Lions come here to Kiwiville. A draw last series was a lucky escape but the AB's have some great players across the park and the young guys not at the AB's level yet will be firing on all eight in the next two years, give or take a year or so either way., and should be first choicers by the time of the next Lions Tour here. I remember as a kid when i first saw the Lions in the 1973 Tour. There has been a lot of Lions whove stuck with me all my life in the first 2 times yur Lions toured here, Delme Thomas, Willie John of course Campbell Lamberton rings a bell too, the sublime JPR Williams, John Ducham, Phil Bennett, there were some great players in the Lions teams. I lived by Lancaster Park in Christchurch, used to sell Programmes and Souvenirs too, we were all rapt when The Lions hit NZ shores and what an atmosphere at Lanc Park when game time finally arrived. We talked about it at school for the next ten years, ha ha ha.
I remember going to the Lions match at Lancaster park, and being down on the fence on the embankment. I was amazed at how white JPR Willams' legs were, and the smell of linament. I was also amazed at the stream of urine flowing down into the gutter along the front of the fence....ah the good old days. I also recall the bright ribbons and rosettes and badges that you sold ! They were displayed on bits of cardboard I think...
Great video, watched every game of the 97 tour. What a set of players, fantastic memories. Thank you.
Love this. Lawrence is a hero of mine and I remember this tour as being the first one I really engaged with as a fan and the excitement was extreme. This one will be weird because of Covid but it’s also the only one of the three I haven’t joined as a fan - gutted that I won’t be able to right that wrong this time. Oh well, maybe in 12 years… 🇬🇧 🦁
Published less than a year ago, the years apart are lifted with what is a gem of recall.
Watching this series as a Saffer kid, it hurt like fire... Watching all the interviews, documentaries..... Players are players and I learnt to be proud and happy for the Lions players even while still loving my Boks (and still hurting 🤣) One of the reasons I just love rugby... For the most part, the players are also good people.
Very well explained not a fan of Dallaglio as a player but as a pundit find him difficult to ignore, very thorough and speaks well
This was basically the start of the Northern hemisphere teams getting better and better. The Lions played well and they had great leadership and players in general
Great video. Great shout out to the Rugby League influence of the team.
Telfer's speech was great, and so were a couple of Geech's. Especially loved the bit about meeting each other in the street in 30 years time, and there'd just be a "look"
Brilliant insight to what it means to be a Lion.
Magic. Some legends all round in that ‘97 squad. What great memories.
It was even better when us fans were drinking all night with them after the third test win...amazing memories
Great interview.
im sure they celebrated with a lekker Lion Lager :) great interview (saffa here)
Ice cold Castle lager at Newlands boet.
Windhoek for me when i was over there, when I'm not on the Klipdrift....or the Mampoer....
This is brilliant, it like a chat with Lawrence Dallaglio in a pub.
Great interview. LD is always thoughtful and interesting
One of my favourite tours. Can't wait to be part of it next year, God willing! Covid-19 could pose a threat.
Absolute hero. One of the best players in the game, ever.
From N.Z: can’t disagree
From NZ totally disagree, One of the best ever????? Maybe in England.Good player but not in top ten Loosies ever... not even close.
@@sonnyblack6121 too slightly disagree please remember firstly he had set up the try that enabled England to win a cup final in 2003. He also had to reinvent himself as a player from a fast, mobile and dynamic loose forward to a tight close-quarter specialist No 8 after an ankle injury. Dallaglio also had the ability to manipulate refs and like all greatest loose forward trios, he was part of a trinity which contained Neil Back the prototype of a then 7, who had given McCaw and before then Jones et al a good run for his money despite his size and Richard Hill. Now, Hill, in my opinion, was the best forward rugby had ever seen, McCaw IMO was phenomenal and the best 7 I have seen on a pitch. Hill, on the other hand, was the best forward player no matter what and without him, Woodwards England side would not have ascended to their heights. Back to Dallaglio. The only No 8s I felt could have challenged him at his peak time (before Read so relax) where: Scott Quinnell (who was the best in ball carrying department throughout the world at 8 at one stage), Simon Taylor (before injury), Anthony Foley while good was not as influential as Dallaglio, and then later both Parisse and Harinordoquy. NZ has had some of the best loose forwards ever, but Dallaglio falls into that category for what he too did to games.
@@charlespc8855 Better than Buck Shelford,Zinzan Brooke, Kieran read, Michael Jones, Richie McCaw, Jerome Kaino, Jerry Collins and Josh Kronfeld??? How many of those people that you mentioned would be picked before any of these guys???
@@sonnyblack6121 Wayne Shelford, was like 15-20 years before Dallaglio, no one can actually analyse his games instead you're stating this based of the reputation of HAKA building and ripped bollocks and yes he was a hard bastard but the game was different then. Kaino was after Dallaglio same applied to Read both great athletes, but of a different era. However, both were taller and faster being able to play at 4,6 & 8. Read too like Dallaglio had the best players in their positions around his consistently. However, Read once he lost his zip towards the end could not tighten his game as well as Dallaglio did as a No 8 and found himself belittled by papers and under pressure for Savea to be selected. Brooke while famous for his drop goal antics, could not perform the tight antics. Sunshine player but he did set the skillset for No 8s to the next level but it can be argued he was the first back row to play like a back more than a forward. Jerry Collins may he rest in peace was not as all rounded as Dallaglio and Hill. but he was a great defender, could carry well at times. He was a dream 6, hard, mobile and yet I'd say he was the pre-Kaino prototype in which Kaino learned and evolved his game from. Why because different eras. Josh Kronfield well he was an openside flanker I am talking about blindsides and No 8s primarily. Better than Neil Back maybe, but then again George Smith probably trumps both players. However, tries win games and Back did that more times than any other forward. Michael Jones too, predominately an openside, was more athletic than the rest and did do well when he converted to 6. End of the day its my opinion, you are welcome to yours but see past your NZ glory ideals and remember other loosies such as Pinnear, Dallaglio, Hill, Back, Burger also won world cups and are revered. Also if you want to compare players be reasonable with the time frame, We are talking 1990-2007 kinda frame with this context. I'm also not a professional athlete but half the time players get picked on reputation over ability, its rugby politics 101 from amateurs to professionals.
Respect, playing in south africa and in that era!
@@syphontoastie6265 Some murders on black people...? Mandela was the president by then...please cite your sources?! Don't be an idiot, war was over by then. If you're not a Saffa stfu!
@@syphontoastie6265 you really are an idiot
He's right about emotion and it making the difference. Especially when it comes to beating a side as physical as the Boks. I can't wait for the 2021 series.
lovely stuff..was at the game 1974..Newlands
Answer to Dallaglio: if you had grown up in South Africa in the 1970s and 1980s, lived in that dysfunctional environment, gone to the army, been the pole cats of the world and all of this against the historical backdrop of the 2 South African wars against the British (if you know the history), you would understand the "playground bully" mentality of the South African rugby teams. Rugby was one of the only releases for us as South Africans of a certain age. All the same, you were a great player and I'm sure all South African rugger fans would agree.
I think it was actually a compliment in rugby terms. As a rugby player, especially a forward, if you don't have an attitude of bullying the opposition you'll be in for some long, long afternoons...
Its not bulling its about becoming the alpha pack on the filed who ever top dog wins the ball then the match
@Stephen Strange you referring to the British perchance?
@Stephen Strange lol . liberal dumbass
@Stephen Strange You need to read up on your history. The British introduced concentration camps against the Afrikaaners, who, quite arguably after hundreds of years of pioneering life in Southern Africa, were an indigenous people of Africa by that stage, and certainly consider themselves that. It was the systematic humiliations and cultural degradations by the British to the Afrikaaners, that helped to fan the ideology of apartheid in South Africa when the Afrikaaners took power.
Great interview
Such a great interview. Huge respect goes to all the Lions touring teams. I have watched them live and the atmosphere is always amazing. I can't wait for the next. Go Bokke
Enjoyed this interview
Outstanding player. Hard as nails.
great to see all the very sporting comments from the South Africans down below. True sportsmen. Cheers from a Wales fan.
Player who never gets mentioned is Neil Jenkins, playing at 15 kept us in it during that 2nd test...
Yes nobody knows Neil Jerkins
One of the best kickers ever, and for a guy that didn't seem strong compared to others, he didn't miss many tackles.
Ruprecht :-)
Kicked like a laser beam
Jenks kicked lions to victory .. man scored the most points for lions in all 3 tests
My late Dad was at the Durban game. He spoke with respect about the big and rowdy Welsh fans and the brilliant Lions.
I'm just about to start a newly published book about the tour, 'Everest'. I can't wait to get into it.
My dad is Tim Rodber so big up tugby
Your Dad was a hero of mine when I was younger - the unsung workhorse of the pack, much like Richard Hill
@@stroketheboat Thank you sur
Great interview!
Fantastic player and person a truly great ambassador of rugby 👍🏉👏👏👏👏👏👏
Normally in Wales English players are not exactly loved!!!! But tours like 97 made me have nothing but love and respect for the likes of Dallaglio Johnson and Leonard. Even Dawson!!!!!!
I used to LOVE taking a left at Ammanford and getting to the Black Horse pub in Aberaeron befo,re midnight then playing Welsh legends at the sevens in the 80s....amazing memories