One Year with a Cheap, High Mileage, Tesla - Do I Regret It?
2023 ж. 29 Сәу.
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After having a used high-mileage Tesla Model S for over a year, was it worth it? Would I do it over again? What problems have I had? Today we shall find out...
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This was such a great review. Honest, to the point, and unbiased. So many EVs are reviewed by people who either love them and ignore the negative aspects, or by those who hate them and gloss over the positives, concentrating on the failures. This is probably the most useful Tesla video I've seen so far, and gives a realistic report on what life would be like with an EV. Definitely a thumbs up from me 👍
Pretty much all reviewer’s that are KZheadrs cover it from both sides positive and negative with Tesla
@@BK-pc3eiI’d have to disagree that
@@BK-pc3eiThat's suggesting that they're unbiased. Absolutely not. The vast majority of any type of content online is laced with bias because humans are inherently and it's incredibly difficult to minimise bias as much as possible. Most are heavily biased with no attempt to minimise.
What life would be like with a 10 year old used EV.
Griffen, thank you for this. One of the most sane and balanced reviews on owning an ev ive ever watched. From now on when people ask me about Tesla pros and cons I will direct them to your video.
I purchased my 2015 model S 85 march this year, it only had 34500 km (21500 miles) on the clock. The car is perfect in every way and I love it to bits. I still keep my good old Jeep Grand Cherokee for long distance driving and towing. The best of both worlds for me. Great video mate and information to light up the grey matter.
I’ve owned mine since 2015 (85D) with 160k miles. Still runs like the day I bought it. Lost about 12% battery. Love it!
So glad you weren’t injured in your car accident
Nice, balanced piece. Thanks for your perspective.
One of the most honest and meaningful reviews I have ever encounter! Thanks so much
Admirably well articulated. Subscribed, thank you.
I really enjoyed your review. It was very clear, understandable and informative. Thank you. Your story hits home with me since after a long and painstaking thinking and roller coasting on finding and buying a used affordable Tesla, I got myself a 2017 model X a few weeks back. I love having & driving it but since I’m new to such expensive EVs, I’m a bit nervous & fearful of what if .. your review gave me some confidence that I should probably have. Thanks again
I had watched your older model S videos last year. This video was also very useful as I am thinking about buying a used model S myself this year. I like the model S over a model 3 and model Y because of the space it offers, the styling and the old fashioned stocks and buttons. Thanks for pointing out some of the things to look out for!
I just bought an old model s. It’ll be delivered tomorrow!
@@dylanf1238hinking of doing the same. Can you share how did you go about finding the right car? What were the things it "had to have"?
The S is def a superior car, the 3 and Y are the cheapest they could go at the moment.
Did you end up getting it ?
@@tedalen529 I did not get one. In my country the EV exemption of road tax (based on car weight) is ending. After that a heavy Model S would be taxed twice as much as an ICE car. Crazy policy. So I decided to get a VW Passat GTE plug in hybrid instead. That works for me right now. Batteries help me with 90 percent of my driving around town. Long distance I have to use gas. With rising gas prices here I am very pleased with my choice.
Thank you for your excellent report. I rented a 2014 Model S from Turo a few months back It was only $42/day. Not bad and a great way to get that experience. The battery was degraded on it but I showed the owner how he could get more than 200 miles range from it again by changing it to chill mode. He was very appreciative of that as it bought him some toime to address that aging battery. But he also shared with me that he had learned that an entire battery might not need replacement, but rather simply swap out the modules which have the wose cells in it, Each module costs only $400, so that would likely cost significantly less that the full $14,000 for the full replacement. Also, he said that he had found some full after market battery packs for about $8,000. Recently, the battery for the Nissan Leaf went Open-Source. It would be wonderful if Tesla did similarly as well allowing for more options.
Where do you get these serviced if not under warranty?
@@johnraviella6561 Yeah, he lied to you. There are no modules for $400. Complete and utter lie. And if some of the modules are failing, the others aren't far behind, especially if your swap modules so they are fully matched anymore. How many times do you want to pull the 1000lb battery? Like every weekend?
I am not sure for how many cycles are those Model S batteries rated, but modern batteries are tested for maybe even 300k miles, so if some cells fail at 80k miles, they are probably lemons that you can just replace.... it is kinda like if you had like 8 engine chains in your car, they should not fail at 80k... if one fails, does not mean other are ''not far behind'', it means the one that failed is a lemon @@JetFire9
Really informative instead of opinionated as a lot of KZhead videos are. Keep up the good work. Thank you!!
What a brilliant and an honest review which is informative and engaging all the way. Thank you!
Great video. Very well thought out and organized.
What do you call a cheap Tesla? Forty grand isn't cheap.
They go for 15-20k right now
@@jackgreenstalk777 where and ar
@@jackgreenstalk777facts I been looking but im scared because of the cheap price idk if its like not working properly or not
Car is worth less than 20k with less than 70k miles on a a first gen
Also compare $40k to the majority of cars out there. Unless it's an old beater out of warranty you're spending closer to that $40k. Also as other people said, they can be found for $20k
Watching Jan 24. Used Teslas are not expensive anymore!!
Thanks for sharing your experiences.
One of the most informative and in my opinion correct assessments of early Model S. I run a 2014 P85 fitted with upgraded MCU (not really worth it) V2.5 door handles (V3 guts mounted on V1 back plates, with adaptor harnesses and new software) well worth it no more breaking door handles. At 35,000 the rear drive unit was replaced due to gear whine and 75,000 main battery pack (it had a slight coolent leak from new and on this hot day overheated putting car into snail mode) got home and theres an email from Freemont at 2am their time to say "we have detected a fault with your battery we have organised a replacement please call XXX" now thats what I call service, 2 days later job done. I still love my RWD MS and find the way the RWD more refined than the 4WD plus 0-60 in 4 seconds still quick. And yes I like the nose cone and in pearl white black sunroof delete cream interior with black 19" wheels red calipers and carbon rear spoiler it still looks current and as you say people assume its a plaid saying the car looks new.
I love my upgraded MCU, improved speed, great for watching KZhead videos and coupled with my free connectivity it can’t be beat… I paid $1,500…
MCU upgrade totally worth it.
How much did you have to pay for the powertrain replacements? My biggest concern is these not being under warranty
@@johnraviella6561 Done under warenty....zero cost to me.
Excellent content! Great job.
bro I really like your video. thanks for sharing your personal experience
Thanks! I love your honesty, and critical analysis showing pros ans cons!
Such a good review. Please do more
Best video‼️ thank you
Great video, very well explained , I currently own a 2018 model s, and was worried about up coming problems that I might face as well, and I totally agree with you on the super charging on the car, I really feel that it will lessen the life span on the battery as well, my car has never, and will never see a super charger station, and I also agree on the customer service from the company, I love the car, but when people ask me about it, I tend to give the the good, and a lot of the bad, knowing what I know now after owning it for 5 years, I wouldn't do it again, mostly do the the extremely poor customer service, I would also like to add that they discontinued the sunroofs , and I understand why, I had a Crack that wasn't under warranty, Tesla realized that it's a stress Crack from opening and closing it, they won't admit it, but I did some research on it, and that was the cause, 12 hundred dollars later. Keep up the great videos, and most of all, I'm glad that everyone was ok. New Subscriber here.
Great review. Both Pro’s and Con’s .. real world experience. Not a paid review like most 👍🏼
@@jonvb2439 wrong .. they never had commercials. But social network “ reviews” It is most definitely possible
Good video. Good and fair assessment. Thank you.
Great info thanks
Nice review thank you
Very informative! What r ur checklist for when looking at used S? Especially on battery check/condition? Thanks!
Liked your video, thanks for it. Also loving my old 2015 MS 85D even there're some minor thing going bad, but that I consider to be normal on a car which has done over 240k km so far. I agree with the AP1 quality, it's unbeatable in my optinion. MCU1 is also working still well even with some bubbles :) Supercharging is very fast as after a year of ownership I have upgraded to 100kWh battery => much recommended if you travel long distances. Free SuC is also a great perk! Much enjoyed it during my trips around Europe. Model S is also very practical also for a big family which might not be as clear on a first sight. If you have pano roof, you can mount roof racks. You can also mont "trailer" hitch for mounting a bike holder on the back. The car also looks great as we don't like the MX and MY bulky look, M3 would be acceptable, but not that practival without the liftback concept. MS is just gorgeous, quite low and very very wide makes people look after it even it's 11years on the market now! Still love the car and will keep it as long as possible ;)
How did you end up getting the 100 pack? I heard TSLA won’t do the upgrade so did you go aftermarket? If so, what providers would you recommend
I absolutely turn my head, whenever I see a Model S - new or old 👍
@@tafl-9198 Exactly...it's a beauty ;) Love it every day...
@@thevagetarian3604good question @tafl
Super helpful, learned two new things: non-beta ap2 cars aren’t being shipped with radar or ultra sonic sensors anymore, and no power to battery if airbags are deployed.
I have been considering the purchase of an older Tesla Model S, and so have been perusing experienced-based reviews like this one. But wow, I'm very impressed with the balanced and articulate review that I stumbled across here. Good job sir! The bottom line is: even if one is fond of Teslas, and thinking of getting one for your daily driver, you will still be living in the real world with your decision; with all its advantages and deficiencies, just like any other car. And while this review didn't scare me off of considering one, it will enter heavily into my decision.
With time, you'll be able to look back and realize buying that Model S was the worst car decision of your life. Enjoy!
buying 10 years old EV good luck. @@JetFire9
😂 fascinating review I learned a lot. What really got me was that beautiful blue Firebird. That front bumper I don't even recognize ...it is stunning.
Hi Griffen, I've watched the previous Tesla video and it seemed as if you made that one yesterday. Thank you for making this video since it was very informative on what it's like to own an older Tesla. I do have a question - what made you decide to pursue another older Model S rather than a used Model 3?
Thank you! Used Model 3’s were much more expensive than older Model S’ at the time I was shopping.
So much of what you said is spot on. The fsd is terrifying.
Great video bro!
I thinking of also buying a model s, so a really honest review is very helpful
If you get the chademo adaptor for your Tesla , you can charge at Nissan free . Now , what is good about the chademo is that it tapers the charge when you get to 90% range . It protects the battery - though I only charge my leaf every 1 - 2 weeks as I work from home . But I also follow battery discipline - don’t charge the leaf till it’s at about 50- 33 % . Battery is still under war - Nissan dealers are everywhere but if I want to go out of state I get on my goldwing .
CHADEMO adapter for Tesla tops at 50KW. Very slow. I have one used it once to test it. Never used it again. This was my review kzhead.info/sun/lb5qhryxlmuKdmw/bejne.html
great narration, lots of information, never boring
Great review. I love the nose cone too. While I agree that road tripping an EV is not great due to charging times, it’s definitely doable. Tesla’s supercharging network is sooooo much better in my experience than the options for non-Tesla’s. (I own a Kia Niro EV but often rent model 3’s on business trips) I have a differing opinion on ownership cost, I put 140K mi on a Toyota Avalon Hybrid I bought used, it never needed anything but the scheduled maintenance (60, 90, 120, 150k) plus oil changes…EV’s particularly Tesla’s just don’t have most of these needs. No Transmission Fluid to change every 30K, no oil every 5-10K (Toyota recommends 10K interval on synthetic), no spark plugs. I didn’t have a break service need in that car except fluid replacement as most Tesla owners do and both have coolant though an IcE car replaces coolant every 30K, most Tesla owners go much longer. My Kia with 33K mi has been in every 7500 (4 services now) all have just been inspections and tire rotations, the last one topped off a fluid and changed the cabin air filter, total spend of $100. My point? Even doing the maint yourself, the Tesla is still cheaper to maintain because there are far fewer things to service. There are a great review of long-term (300K mi) model s where the owner kept track of all costs of maint and gas in his previous Subaru vs Model S, the Tesla was far less than 1/2 of the cost over the same number of miles. Lastly, while battery replacements are expensive, there are other options with Electrified Garage and similar companies with a growing number of service centers that can repair them for much much cheaper. Thanks for taking the time to do your review, I have loved the Model 3’s I’ve rented through Hertz but my love for the Model S look has me planning for a used one of those after my lease is up on my Kia and your video helped get me closer to that!
Very good points indeed. Also wanted to point out that Tesla has always said they prioritize safety first which explains why they would have that fuse to kill the battery. We also have to remember this was nearly $100,000 back in the day. The range on this car has nearly doubled now. The battery technology is much better. Would have been better to make references to a Mercedes S class or 7 series. Lastly there are videos on how a model 3 is now cheaper to own in the long run than a Camry.
It's doable to hitchhike across the country too.
The best review of a Tesla I’ve seen- Wow
Very clear Thanks.
I watched through this entire video. Really great video
Thank you! Videos of this length take a lot more time and effort to create, so I appreciate the kind words.
9:50 I just had the mobile service change the 12v battery in my 2018 Model 3 Long Range. The total price was $116! The only aftermarket battery I could find in our local parts stores was $279 to it was a great deal to have them do it!
Bro, Nashville is 5 hours from Dayton and I drove back and forth in the same day in a Tesla. You made it sound like Nashville is as far as Dallas or something.
Excellent Review!
Great video. Where would you recommend buying used tesla? Who did your service?
Man he is 100% right about the FSD just slamming on the brakes out of nowhere. It sometimes seriously acts like a 16-year-old who just got their learner's permit. And with each 'release', it's not getting any better.
Tesla is supposed to be a software company, not a car company. Well, after owning one, I can tell you they suck at being a car company, but they are even worse at being a software company!
It very much is getting better per update, plenty of videos show that
I’ve never experienced this road tripping with my brothers 22’ M3, with probably 16 hours of driving on autopilot.
A bug got splattered on a front grill sensor.
that was the fsd beta the new fsd is literally almost indistinguishable from human drivers 0 intervenions
First time seeing your videos. Terrific analysis and clearly explained. I agree with the 100% EV future. So many use cases for ICE or hybrid vehicles that are superior than EVs.
What they dont tell you is the quality of the batteries. I got a 4 year old 70D S with only 19000 miles on it. The problem was the range. It was only about 240. I found out that the 2016 I bought had superb batteries and they are right. This was a great year for the S batteries and I am now getting 230 after almost three years. And do note even if you got a 75 or an 85 or even a 90 Ive heard that a lot of these were software locked and you could only get the rated power if you paid extra. So chime in on this one. I had no problem. I have a real 70 dual motor. So you really have to do your homework about the used Tesla you are buying as evidenced above. Also too mine was the older platform that they changed mid year. Some of the new ones had air suspension which I really wished I had before I hit the concrete stop barrier that you see on almost every parking spot. Some one had turned off the chimes and I had about 5K in damages. So again, you must do your homework before purchasing any Tesla especially older ones. We just got a new Y LR and love it. Compact yet big. Super Utilitarian and goes like crazy. Again, you have to do your homework. Mine is the new platform with Teslavision and no sensors. I like it a lot as it has 8 cameras and sentry mode . Again this is the new platform for the Y. So check it out first.
Brilliant video
Solid review
Good video. I, too, rent an ICE car for long road trips. Usually, I drive back roads and go to obscure places that don't have level 2 charging let alone fast charges. The ICE just simplifies the whole process and eliminates getting stranded. But I don't think I'll ever go back to an ICE for a daily driver.
Nicely done vehicle. At 10:50, a warning popped up and you drove the vehicle to the service center for repair. I don't think I would consider that an abrupt failure, it didn't strand you since it was still drivable. It would have been better if Tesla was more open regarding drivability in that state though.
Some good points here. Service by tesla is so important and they should make it accessible.
I have the same model and specs as you. How were you still under warranty? Doesn't it expire after 8 years?
I had to step out and cross a highway just outside Chicago- in the winter with no coat just a small sweater. It was so damn scary. I ran out of gas - it’s never happened to me - I had to walk about a mile or 2 and buy a gas container and use that for 2 gallon. Then walk back and cross. Man the speed of those cars - woo. Glad your good and hopefully the Tesla is doing well
Thank you.
I'm with you on the MCU upgrade. I have the MCU 1 and while the upgrade would be nice, it isn't worth the nearly $2,500 price tag for Netflix, which i wouldn't watch or a faster internet which I wouldn't use. The only reason I'd want the upgrade was for the rear sentry cam and side cameras while backing up but that's it.
I have a 2020 Model Y and you are rite. In Autopilot i have many instances of ghost braking. I have trained myself to stab the throttle fast when it happens so i won't get rear ended.
Great show. I did not know about the fuse that severs the battery from the motors when the airbags go off.
That's a safety thing with many car manufacturers, including Audi and BMW. I'm shocked most people don't know this and make it sound like a Tesla invention.
You are definitely safer staying in the car. Most deaths occur when someone is walking on the freeway, even sitting on the guard rail.
Having a brand new battery you are set!
Finally someone who agrees with me on those damn disturbing seats, I had a 2022 model three rented from Hertz for Uber and I drove it 16,000 miles in three months so I was in that seat a lot it was horrible on me killed my thighs made you hunch Forward you could never adjust it to a decent position the only way I fixed it was sitting on a full-size pillow long ways under my legs so I got some support under my thighs by the knee
Good review. My 2014 S 85 has 146K miles and has been pretty much trouble free (tires, LV battery, right window regulator). My advantage is free, unlimited supercharging linked to the VIN, so free for me, and free for the next owner(s). Streaming and realtime navigation are also free. I've saved between $2 - 2.5K/year because of the free supercharging. So from an economic standpoint, it beats gas & hybrid (I had a Volt as well) alternatives.
Love the review. A suggestion from a Model S owner, try using the precondition feature in the app! I use it primarily to get the battery up to temp, but it always uses the climate control. Some other hacks I use are to set the destination to a supercharger, to get the car to heat up the battery. But... I've been getting shafted by Tesla Service Center with repairs. Scared to buy another one, definitely will be cautious. Here's to many more miles!
Hi, about that pyrofuse, newer gas cars have that too, its not only on tesla, and like on a ev it functions the same, after the airbag deploy, you cant start the car
I concur. I just did a 700 mile trip with a model Y (it was all Hertz had.. I ordered a gas vehicle for the trip). And yeah.. It had autopilot activated (surprisingly for a rental imho), and it would sometimes hit the brakes for a split second for no reason, when I had to go on the side of the road for about 5 miles due to road cones/road work and it was just the way the road was setup and the tesla fought me most of that 5 miles.. TBH it felt very much like a Beta product that just wasn't ready for production. I had never driven an electric car before and it was an amazing experience but damn.. It also wasn't fun.
Thanks for honest review. Yes, Tesla is nice to drive, Plaid seems ideal for German Autobahn :-). EV is as you say out of range for people wanting to spend 4K on a car. And slow for long drives. Yes, phone contact is not good - I even had the same problem with SALES, they will not answer the phone. For service that is not urgent, the app communication is not bad.
Thanks for the detailed review. Looking at purchasing a Tesla and surprised to see a recommended channel from Ohio, nevertheless Montgomery County. Best wishes.
Glad you were okay. One if the major deciding factors on buying our Model S was its top ranked safety scores. I agree that 19’s ride smoother, quieter, and less expensive than 21’s, but we kept our 21’s fir their appearance fwiw. Cleaning and lubricating the sunroof seals should rid it of that sound and make it last for years trouble-free. A Tesbros satin chrome delete and a front bumper refresh, along with an infotainment upgrade will give your 2015 a nice bump in appearance and functionality, but to each their own. Glad you were able to find a suitable replacement for your P85. Our P85+ is still going strong, thankfully, with 90% battery retention at 150k miles. The performance bushings have started to make ticking sounds when turning at low speeds, but not a big deal, though will eventually replace it if starts making more noise. Other than that, it’s been solid. We have almost exclusively Supercharged our S and plan to continue to do so. fwiw, we keep the SOC mostly between 30%-80%, as to balance out any possibe degradation from supercharging. With California gas prices being what they are, we have saved a combined $50k by Supercharging for free (grandfathered) instead of pumping gas, which includes not having to pay for oil changes,tune ups, smog, etc. - with that much saved, if I had to pay for a full $13k battery replacement, I’d still be far ahead financially as it’s already paid for itself in gas savings alone. Simply put, buying our used Model S was the best car buying decision ever.
The free supercharging is nice, but Tesla is doing a good job of removing them from the road one way or another. Without free supercharging, your savings would not be so compelling. You will have a battery failure soon. I can feel it in my balls. And probably a drive unit too. 😂😂😂
@@JetFire9 you should probably get your balls checked 😂
@@evolv.e It's coming baby! You are going to get screwed by a Tesla SC! They will send you a special OTA that will force you to visit them. LOL!
Sooner or later you're going to have increased registration costs for BEV's. Ice cars pay the taxes for the roads through the gasoline taxes. EVs do not. So sooner or later you're registration for a BEV is going to be 5 to 10 times that of a typical ice equivalent. Also premiums are rising from insurance companies on BEV's because of the cost of collision repairs. And if you buy a new Tesla that cost you $126, 000 last year and then you get in a wreck you will find that the insurance company will only pay for 60k and you're going to be saddled with the other 60K while you have to go purchase another car. A lot of Tesla owners are feeling that underwater problem. I will maintained ice will last just as long and cost probably a tiny bit more over the time as compared to a Tesla or other BEV. However each of those repairs for the ice is going to be generally doable and not that expensive. If you get a reliable ice that has a good reputation for his transmission and engine then the worse you're going to have is water pumps starters batteries ball bearing suspension like shocks and struts. You know replacing engine mount brackets things like that. But a Tesla when those motors fail those things are not cheap at all. And you have to replace the entire thing. It's not like your motor in an ice vehicle has bad water pump. Those motors in a Tesla go out it's gone forever. Also tow trucks are starting to refuse to pick up b e v's because of the risk of thermal run away on there vehicle and the road that they travel on. Because if that b e v thermal runaway fire damages the road the wrecking company is responsible for the damage. That's one of the other reasons why premiums for insurance on BEV's is beginning to rise considerably. And once the government subsidies go away, these BEVs even model threes are outside of the range of most people in the United States who work for a living. And who use vehicles as appliances not as trophies. The other thing to remember is that people who live in rentals and apartments can't honestly own a BEV unless they're near a supercharger. Or the apartment complex for some bizarre reason because we all know how generous rental property owners are put in charging units, they'll probably charge you to use the charging unit. So people in apartments can't really utilize BEV's unless it's for short trips and they can get to a charging station with relative ease. But if everybody in that apartment complex has a BEV you better have a lot of charging places for them. And it's not like they can just fill up the tank in 5 minutes and leave. Especially on busy days when they're going to work. And renters don't have the option to modify the building they rent to put in a fast charger. In my opinion the market for the BEV's is saturated now. Because it's people who can one afford these vehicles to afford the cost of replacing tires every 35,000 mi, ability to modify their home for fast charging. So ice is going to be around for a long time. Hybrid ice is a nice option and that's how Toyota is going. Look full-on BED adoption, the infrastructure doesn't exist for it. I really don't care how many superchargers you put around the country When you have hundreds of millions of DEV's on the road the infrastructure that we have from the power stations to the delivery does not exist. And in order for it to exist that means the electric companies are going to have to spend money which means you're going to be whacked in the ass in your bill and your taxes.
@@NinkSink sorry, but I found everything you just typed very questionable. 🤨
Correct me if I'm wrong but most of modern ice cars also have piro fuses and they also activate in the same manner. So basically you would be sitting in a bmw or vw exactly the same way as you did in tesla.
Nice summary. I totally agree with you on the AP1 vs AP2. BTW - ive got a '15 P90D with the tan interior also, with the Gen 1 seats...wanna trade? 🤣
I hear you on Teslas communication. In the UK they are terrible and the people I have dealt with had a really bad attitude. This can be quite tyupical for the UK, but I did expect better staff attitudes when dealing with Tesla than other companies, but that is not the case.
Great video 😎 I am not sure how many cars come with a pyro fuse that pop when the airbags go off but it is not unique to Tesla. I know Porsches have that as well. The engine will not start until the pyro fuse is replaced. On the 992 GT3 RS you have to remove the entire dash just to access it 😬
How much did the 2015 model S cost you?
Excellent input on your experience with a Tesla. One thing to point out is that your battery failure was basically the largest failure a vehicle could have. Equivalent to an IC engine just outright failing. While $13K is by no means cheap for any car, I don't think you'd do much better getting a new engine for an IC car in the same class as a model S. Just saying. Good content.
Actually, I would put it more like both the engine and transmission failing at the same time. Let's face it, an ICE is going to have failures and rebuilds as well, and they are not cheap to fix. Battery prices will continue to come down, and refurbishing battery modules will become more common place, making them even cheaper to maintain. A couple years ago I saw Tesla battery packs getting pulled and assessed, with a few bad cells being replaced to make it as good as new for $5k.
Maybe, but here is the thing. Total engine failure on ICE is not really a thing. Especially not suddenly. I don't think I personnally know anyone who had one replaced.
My 2005 F150 4x4 motor replacement was over 6k
@kolle128 it sure is a thing... no idea why you think it doesn't happen???
@@kolle128true for battery failures as well.
You haven't mentioned about the range of the new battery and the peak charging speed at the supercharger
Nicely done. And I appreciate the frankness re issues, good and bad. Maybe poor people will buy old beater BEV's and take their chances re battery replacement, once they're quite to very common. It's just that they will NOT be replacing the battery at $10K or more -- they'll just sell it for almost nothing and get another beater.
In time the modern, no need to replace, lifetime batteries will become available on used market.
I’m so glad I never had to deal with the very early versions of “ full self driving” (still don’t know how they can legally call it that.) I just got a model Y and have experienced V12 which is a very mature version of the product and it has waaaay less hiccups. If anything it’s TOO cautious in certain situations and I’ll take that any day over it making dangerous mistakes.
Great honest review have you had any drive train issues?
Nope! Both motors have been trouble-free so far.
This guy ANALYSES!
Depending on how bad the GAS car accident is. It will shut down all systems to. Called the inertia switch
GM did right by the Bolt in the end, replacing all the batteries, even good ones. I now own a 2017 Bolt w/ 90k miles, and a 2017 Volt with 50k miles. What GM did wrong was kill the Voltech powertrain. The Volt is the best EV choice for someone who has access to one car. I'm getting 45-50 miles a charge in the summer, and if I run that out, I just use gas. Go back home, and charge it up for the next day. The Prius Prime is close to it, but the total range is lower and the powertrain setup is different and not as good IMO.
I wanted a Chevy volt for a long time, and when I finally got the money for a new car, discovered they no longer made them 😢 I ended up going with a bolt EUV which I just traded in for an id4
Mine S got us 285.000mls in 9 years. Original battery rebuilt a year and a half ago, back to 96% from 11% (!). But nothing major really, a few bad cells causing shortcuts were replaced. I already preventively had the motor rebuilt, too. At the same time as the battery. Luckily, since it was instantly obvious it would not last much longer after opening it up. My son (the original owner) changed a few things, too, some electronic something. All under warranty, nothing major. Car is now ready for another 200.000mls, I wastold, I hope it does. Best car ever (meaning cheapest to run).
I too like the early model Teslas, with the "nose cone." When they switched to the flat front across all models in 2016, they all became too similar and less distinct. Plus, unlike the 3 and Y, I like the S has two screens, the 17" center stack and the more typical screen where an instrument cluster is usually found behind the steering wheel. I've now had my 2013 P85 for 6 months, and I've brought it to the shop twice. The first time was two weeks after I bought it because the heater had failed. What you say about Tesla service not being helpful until you bring the car in is true. With that service scheduled, the estimate went from $450 to $750 to $1100 to $2800. When it was finally all fixed, the bill came to just under $2k. My second service, just last week, was to eliminate the click and clack sounds I was hearing from the drivetrain at nearly every start from a stop and every deceleration. They started with lubricating the half shafts and replacing the axle nuts, which cost me $140, and I'm very satisfied. They said if that didn't fix it the next step would have been to replace the half shafts, which would have been significantly higher. Clicks and clacks gone, I have a very enjoyable driver. You don't mention in your video if your replacement 2015 85D has free supercharging. I suspect it originally did, and thus why the car was charged almost exclusively that way. Mine has free supercharging, and I'm currently charging about 40% at home and 60% at superchargers. One of the nice things about the Tesla service center was after my most recent service I asked if I should schedule a battery check service, since I never had the battery checked 6 months ago when I bought the car. Well, they simply logged into the car's computer remotely and did a battery health check right there for me. At under 42k, clean bill of health. I have found the price of these older used Model S' have come down into the more affordable $20-$30k range, but if I was to do it again I would also start cross-shopping used Model 3. The Model 3 will be newer and a more robust build for the money, plus still in warranty. Downside is no free supercharging.
I've been following Tesla for years and still learned quite a bit from your erudite review. You appear to be well educated and tech savvy, perhaps an IT professional. What kind of warranty did Tesla offer on the "new" battery?
do u recommend buying a cheap one for like 20k ?
I prefer the nose cone as well and love those Gen 2 seats. I believe Recaro was the supplier for that Gen seat correct?
I have a 2015 S and I love AP1!
While he says fail less problem is my ICE a "failure" has been minor stuff like a 19 yrs. old EVAP valve going bad, car drove fine, MIL was on, friend scanned my car for free, got a used part at pick-a-part for$11 and four years later, it is still working. BEV failures tend to be massive and costly, and they rake you over coals because ONLY Tesla can service it and charge whatever they want. Also of note, Prius and many pure BEV for that matter have the standard OBD2 port and up to date scanner you can analyze at home. You can do bidirectional and test modules. Tesla is only one I know of who purposefully left off the OBD2 connector for $$$
Do you have video explaining what to look for before purchasing a used tesla?
So you can't get replacement parts for the sunroof already ? Other parts as well ?
I mostly use FSD on highway. Even with chill mode, it would change lane pretty often. But my theory is, when it gets on highway, it would like not to stay on the right lane because for cars come up to highway it would need frequent stop and more dangerous.. but few times, it does go to the fast lane (left lane) which scared hell of me. Because the distance of another car on the left lane just like 2-3 cars behind me on speed like 75mph, and my Tesla just inserted itself in….. I felt bad for the driver behind me…
Great video, just watched your older one as I am in the market. Wasn’t the battery warranty almost done when they replaced it?
The warranty had about 1 1/2 years left on it.
7:35 Good tip. Thanks!
What month and year of production?
7:32 you should make a video on your home server :)
Jesus that accident must have been terrifying
have you a link to the software you mention on your home server?
Thank you so much for such an honest and balanced review. I'm on the brink of buying a 2018 Model S here in the UK, tempted by having plenty of warranty left and a luxury car to enjoy on my daily commute. Plus, my employer offers free charging... Making my long daily commute almost free. Completely agree about the wheel size, that's been my sentiment for quite a while. Will make sure I get one without those seats 👍