Can You Upload Your Mind & Live Forever?
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The desire to be free from the limits of the human experience is as old as our first stories. We exist in an endless universe, only bound by the laws of physics and yet, our consciousness is trapped in mortal machines made of meat. With the breathtaking explosion of innovation and progress, for the first time the concept of leaving our flesh piles behind and uploading our minds into a digital utopia seems possible. Even like the logical next step on our evolutionary ladder.
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wow
Hey M8
Yes
Ah yes
Lol
F to all the people that upload to the cloud & get stuck at a 99% loading screen for eternity
F
Lol I remember ur bo3 vids
If you see his pfp half blue and half marroon-red you are color blind
Damn I remember the colour blind vid
u still exist?
Brain water to consciousness wine, amen.
Amen
Ameno🙏
Early to a Jesus comment
Nice
Bro how are you verified as Jesus?
One intriguing thing that isn't talked about is would an uploaded mind have a perfect memory. Our memory as it is isn't very reliable seeing as how everytime we access a memory, it changes a little bit. Hundreds of recalls later, it could look nothing like what actually happened. A digital mind could have access to recordings of events they experienced and essentially store them as read-only.
This is a viable possibility, but we have no way to know for sure yet what exactly happens when a memory is accessed, we do know it's somewhat similar to a set of different neurons activating like for example 1324 neuron 1goes, then 3, so on and so forth. It's possible the slow corruption of our memories is due to these neuron sets changing slightly. For example, 1324 becomes 1234. If this is the way memories do work (which I am not claiming it is) then it would be possible to keep the original neuron set in data storage, also worth noting is we have no idea how large of a file a memory turned into a file would be. Just a regular brain scan, like the one described in the video, would likely result in a conscious without their previous memories, as you can map out everything in the brain, but you can't necessarily scan every memory in the brain at once without remembering everything in that person's life at once (which would likely be impossible)
Sorry for the whole essay btw
I just think about GladOS and her "black box save feature", constantly replaying her most bitter defeat
That wouldn't be fun, the more you remember from past experience the less you enjoy the present, maybe it's just me but I would like to emulate how memory gets hazy over the time.
i think quite the opposite would happen. if we have far better learning capabilities due to this mind upload, we'd lose memories every time we access them. memory loss or change is actually the brain "learning", so we'd somehow have to index exactly which neural networks are responsible for memories and mark them as read-only, which in and of itself sounds pretty impossible. since everyone's brain is so wildly different, this is pretty impossible.
I’ll put my immortal Brian on pause for 10,000 years until half life 3 is out
Indeed, all immortal Brians need to be stopped, he is too dangerous
Lol
Bold to assume only 10,000 years for Half Life 3.
@@curiousplaneswalker426 Well on the plus side, the movie The Life of Brian would be really, really long.
Who is Brian?
can we just appreciate the fact that something with THIS amount of quality is free
Well not completely free... They get paid by YT by no: of views BUT IT IS FREE FOR US TO WATCH THO🎉🎉
WHERE ARE THE EGGZ!!!!!!!
@@gamejack3528 ok?
@@gamejack3528 still free for us, it's not like we pay for KZhead. (Well we pay by watching ads and giving info but you know what I mean). Which is why it's important to donate to them on patreon so they can keep going
@@gamejack3528 It is to the average viewer, more or less.
“The brain is the most complex organism and it deserves it’s own video” -*The Brain*
Oh shi-
Underrated Comment.
“The brain is the most complex organism and it deserves it’s own video” -The Brain -The Brain
**inserts obama awards obama a medal meme**
@@mastershooter64 """The brain is the most complex organism and it deserves its own video" - The Brain" - The Brain" - Michael Scott
There's a shortstory by Stanislav Lem from his "Ijon Tichy" series, where Ijon is visited by a person that has invented immortality. This guy, named Decantor, explains that after decades of studying, he has finally managed to create a way to transfer a human conciousness onto a thumbdrive-like device, that will contain that soul forever. As the story progresses, we learn that he used the method on his wife, however since the space on the device is limited, it doesn't allow communication with the outside world, the mind is basically suspended alone in a giant void. _Forever._ Ijon is then so disgusted and horrified, that he offers all his belongings to obtain that device to smash it, so the woman can be released from her horrific jail. He eventually persuades Decantor to see how terrible his creation is and they destroy the device together.
Lem is always a good read! Solaris is my favorite book of all time. I don't know this short story but it sounds very lem! 🤘🏽
They could've just gave it an internet connection
Black Mirror
@@sk8_bort White Christmas. Nightmare fuel.
Reminds me of ‘The Jaunt’ by Stephen King
it's both comforting and upsetting that in our lifetime we likely won't figure out how the consciousness works
consciousness is a meaningless word, try and define it and then try to prove it exists outside of your own perception.
@@nicholasstarr6096 You are someone you are, right? Can you stay 'you' outside this body? That's what is referred to as consciousness. It's the curiosity. What's wrong about it?
You thought you did something lol
@@nicholasstarr6096 consciousness is the thing that makes you, you. It's the thing that makes you different from another person or animal.
@@lemonlizard1 no such thing, just brain cells
Everyone gansta until the internet disconnects
That might be a slight problem
Someday all of the earth might have reliable internet just not now.
Sir a slight issue.. we just lost internet and your life...
Network connectivity problems.
It's okay. It's on cloud server.
"The brain is the most complicated organic structure known." That's what a brain would say.
After all, the brain named itself
Such genius words
@@averagecat4220 yes
Hahaha classic brain thinking
@@averagecat4220 so deep!
Here’s my opinion in a nutshell: If you transfer your mind to the digital world it whould’t be you, it whould just be a copy of yourself with the same memories, the digital yourself will remember your life as his own and think he is you. But he isn’t he is just a mere copy.
Stellaris spiritualist ethic empires be like:
Jokes aside, that might be the case. Uploading our minds onto a computer or a synthetic body could mean that we just committed suicide and an imperfect copy of us now exists in our stead.
i totally agree
@@erdenepurevsuren4590 well we won't know unless we try
@@neobg9493 How would we know? Even if we did it the person who was digitalized would now be a copy and not the original consciousness but still have the same memories and remembers being digitalized and will insist it worked and he didn't die but really the original consciousness is dead. Hope you understood what I meant.
One of the other implications of a mind upload is the notion that you aren't really limited to a single copy. Which, as has been explored in the book series "we are bob", you could feasibly make a functional von neumann probe, or a "single" person running an entire business or industry of some kind merely by making multiple copies of themselves and a lot of other weirdness.
That's my dream Post human brain in a jar controlling a von Neumann probe
@@ironspaghett The "We are Legion, We are Bob" is a a serious recommend from me then, it's basically about that specifically, plus is filled with snarky nerd humor and very good hard scifi.
just avoid FAITH and VEHEMENT and you’re golden! I love that series
@@bionicbirb9104 I am waiting with baited breath for book 5
What if the other “You” want to be in bed with your wife or in your house ? You’d have to enslave the other “you’s” however many you create, so that they won’t try and take over YOUR life. Remember, in the end of the day they’ll be you …. Wow . I just created a black mirror episode 😝
“If the human brain were so simple that we could understand it, we would be so simple that we couldn’t.” - Emerson Pugh
You have 8 likes but are at the top of the comment section I don’t get it
If KZhead's ranking algorithm were so simple that we could understand it...
That reply to icy rays was smoothly delivere
@@EdgarRoock cha-cha real smooth
Dude this line touched my brain
meanwhile in 3021: "Why were you late to class?" "Sorry my pings at 300 rn"
“My ping is a-a-a-a-at 500”
Considering we are having 'online classes' right now...
Lol
LMAOO
no classes needed just copy paste the data into ur digital brain :D
Reminds me of the philosophical issues explored in "Soma" (psychological horror game, really cool), regarding the mind, the "copies", the robot-human mixed conciousness.
I want to live forever
This is also seen in a new video game "Stray" about a cat that goes into an underground city with robots. Before the humans died out, one of the humans tried to upload themselves into the network, and successfully did so. That person was one of the main characters in the game.
Most depressing game ever!
@@sciencelover9490simple,fear God and accept Jesus Christ as your personal savior,be good and loath evil,then , Even though you'll one day day,you'll resurrect on the last day and be given eternal life
lol so when ideas become too vast to comprehend we can just go back to simple stories and fantasy stories that make us feel safe and in control. Got it. This just in, we have no control over anything in this world. And our stories provide us no control either. Embrace the unknown and the fear of it and then you will truly be free and not need man made groundings@@yahchildg7283
I'm suprised not a lot of people mentioned the game SOMA. It explores this topic really well :D
Cyberpunk couldn't hope for better advertisement
@@orangestapler8729 played it and its not that buggy and honestly if u like RPG games u will love this one. For me its ne of the best RGP i have played BUT you need next gen consoles OR a decent PC to run it, On old consoles its runs like a potato with bad graphics and crashes
@@orangestapler8729 They patched most of it with day 1 patch.
@@erikkling4791 well, i bought it today and had a blast playing on GeForce Now on my old laptop, but you need pretty strong and reliable connection for that
@@erikkling4791 if so then I'll be playing it in 2077 lol
they definitely paid him to make this, but still good video
7:54 “humans are horrible at predicting the pace of progress” this seems ironic knowing that this was sponsored by cyber punk
Lmao true
Hahahaha
😂😂😂
maybe you're all just behind they had anti gravity in 1950 lol
Tera OOF
Brain architecture is so complicated that it made me think more questions after watching this video...
Then the video did its job :)
I can't see any way to store it all digitally without something akin to the internet, but far more stable and large and "managed."
My take on the whole mind-upload thing is that of the ship of Theseus, if you take your mind and make a digital upload of it, that's not the same you. But if you slowly replace parts of your mind over time, say getting implants and robotic additions, then you'll be up there and live forever. As long as brain activity keeps going, you're still alive. So even if I'm under sedatives as my brain is slowly replaced, I still count it as alive
THIS ^, that's it basically you can augment yourself and live forever but uploading your mind would mean creating a new you that's not you. Hell its like literally cloning yourself.
if I can't tell the difference, does it matter?
@@clown134 but it's not gonna be you. It's gonna have all of your memories for that thing it's still you. But you are still in your own body.
@@vyrkolach5546 but if I can't tell the difference does it matter
@@vyrkolach5546 To be fair, if you take the brain slicing approach you'll already be dead by the time your AI self is created. At that point, to the AI at least, it would feel like they'd gone to sleep for an amount of time, and then woken up. Assuming there's nothing metaphysical to conciousness, such as a soul, what makes us who we are is essentially the data stored on the brain. That data is us, no matter where it's stored. Even if the biological body, and AI copy exist at the same time, the AI is still you, as the data is the same. It's just a different you, who's experience branches off from yours and thus it becomes a separate being. If it never branches off, and only one remains at any given time, then you are effectively the same being.
“If our world was like cyberpunk” Me: glitches through floor while a car flips over my house
You can actually fall through your floorboards while someone does a sick carflip over your house lol.
ehh, isn't a problem when living with 12fps
No kidding. The end of this video *really* didn't age very well, haha!
I know what happens after death! Contact me if you want to take the red pill.
@@EpsilonD2 this game makes you feel like you are a glitched robot.
"the brain is most complex biological structure" - the human brain
The brain is the first ever organism to name itself -also the brain
"the brain is making fun of itself while reading all this" ~ again, the brain
"Moses was the most humble man on the face of the Earth." -Moses
"Someday the spagheti monster will come" -the brain
golden comment section about the brain ~the brain
One thing I've always wondered is if it would be me if my brain were transferred to something else. Like they've mapped out my brain, my personality is there, my memory is there, but is it more or a copy of me? In the sense, we experience our lives in a continuous stream ie we experience a consistent passage of time. Would we then continue on that stream when we transfer, or would it be a clone? To everyone else in your life it'd be like you're still there, but it's more like a clone, while the you that is you faded to black and died. How would anyone know? If I recall, they deal with this in the show/comic Invincible when the Robot transfers his mind into a new body, he experiences the same fear I just talked about. It's creepy but interesting.
im really glad im not the only person whos thought of this, Im 100% on the same page.
Most probably won't be you
god this concept reminds me ofa game soma
Does it even matter then? Yes some person might be immortal but it’s not you
Is it "you" when you go to sleep and wake up in the morning? If so how is it different than the copy scenario?
Kurzgesagt yall are awesome!! I love watching yalls videos!! Thanks for all of the free knowledge! And thanks for the great discussion topics as well!!
Imagine suffering for eternity because the scan got corrupted
Worse, imagine suffering for eternity because the guy at emotion centre tripped down the power cable.
Sounds like a cryochamber to me. A partial incomplete death and everlasting flashbacks lol
@@EstebanArias93 whew sounds chaotic lol
Someone would fix the corruption eventually
"Please don't turn off power or remove storage device until installation is complete."
Kurzgesagt: "its complicated" Vsauce: "Or is it?" Kurzgesagt: "yes it is"
why do i see you everywhere? its like your OwO 2.0
Joe Scott : "Or is it?"
Kurzgesagt: "Yes, Mr. Scott, it still is. Stop parrotting people."
@@igameidoresearchtoo6511 there were multiple popular commenters before that guy, don't forget it
Ever since the VSauce3 & Kurzgesagt video was uploaded, my dream is hearing Michael Stevens colllaborating here
Insane video, keep up the good work chooms!
This is the coolest video! Deserves way more views
“Just having a list of the ingredients might not be enough to get a good consciousness cake.” - daaamn, loved how you manage to simplify this.. that is art!
*Kurzgesagt*
you see this in fullmetal alchemist brotherhood. yikes
but that is ofcourse the spiritual take on the brain, what I dont really buy
@@1995pieter Water (35 L) Carbon (20 kg) Ammonia (4 L) Lime (1.5 kg) Phosphorous (800 g) Salt (250 g) Saltpeter (100 g) Sulfur (80 g) Fluorine (7.5 g), Iron (5 g) Silicon (3 g) (and fifteen traces of other elements.)
@@1995pieter You shpuld check out the "Inspiring Philosophy" channel. It presents the best scientific argument for a non-physicalist mind.
you know its going to be a fun video when Kurzgesagt says "its complicated"
You know it’s going to be a Kurzgesagt video when they say “it’s complicated”
@Rita , 25 y.o ! [ WANT S Ē Х ] Open my canal !!! same
SOMA does an amazing job at exploring this exact topic. Couldn’t recommend it more.
Also, the Bobiverse series
Gotta be one of my favorites of this channel
Computer software in future: *_your free trial of living has ended_*
To get an extended life please install the extended_life dlc
Go to treadmill : Free Open source Addons
To be fair... our free trial usually ends after about 18 years. Then we have to pay for it.
@@RandomGamePlayer697 linux be like:
😆😆😆
I don't know if we'll ever see a truly genuine copy of our minds, or a transfer of our mind somehow. But I could definitely see within the near future a form of mind upload through AI. Basically, teaching an AI, to be you. If it learns how to be you (how you think and act) well enough, then it's at that point functionally a copy of you. And if good enough, it may not be functionally any different from a true digital copy at the molecular level.
hello, first excellent video, now some points to be mentioned is: the brain does not need to be fully described for a digital version, thus removing control of parts that would not be present in the mechanical body such as stomach, heart, lung and liver and etc. there would be a need to be present, thus dedicating only the part such as the senses, motor control, feelings and reasoning, minimizing the work with parts that would not be necessary to compose a mechanical body Edit: This comment was made with the help of Google translator, unfortunately this video is not available in my native language but I like the theme so much that I make a point of watching it in English
“Animation went from 0-100 real quick”
Yes, but she looks like Dora.
It never was 0! I am offended!
Its kinda crap imo, I wish they stuck to 3D
@@simonhudak3763 no
@@simonhudak3763 Nahh
Someone: * Upload their mind * Provider: " Pay 24.9$ more to remove the ads "
I know you’re doing a meme, but you’re highlighting one of the moral problems of mind uploading. How do we guarantee that mind uploading won’t be used to our detriment rather than our advantage?
An AI is the biblical beast. It's already alive as an infant. Your phone is a low bandwidth brain-computer interface that spys on you and tries to take your attention and spread misinformation.
You close the ad to pay to remove ads, and behind it find a message about your car's extended warranty.
@@Pinefoxo Yup, this. I was literally about to comment to the OP a link to that
and this is why I’ll be happy to die without any bionic parts and not a robot brain :)
New research suggests that details of memories may be encoded into mRNA, with each cell having different pieces of mRNA, possibly in multiple copies, controlling how those cells behave when activated.
Ok, Mr vaccinated
@@lewisheasman bless your stupid heart
Don't know where you heard that, as far as I'm aware, memories are encoded in the network & neurons change their shape using neurofilaments. Tried to google it but can't find a thing.
I once read a book about AI and intelligence uploading and what it did to a person or animal. Basically in the book you could upload your mind to a computer but once that has happened you lose free will and individuality of any kind. In the book some parts of the brain could be augmented or replaced but if more than a certain percentage of the brain was replaced the person would lose all of everything that made them human in any way.
Brains be like: "Brains are the most complicated organic construct"
Sounds like something a brain would say...
tf... lol
@@laur-unstagenameactuallyca1587 Funny enough how a sophisticated slab of meat is using electronic signals and light recognition to type this in response to you.
@@alexssnackbar1353 Funny how specific arrangements of atoms are able to simulate contentiousness, be alive, and overall build the very world we live in and inhabit, by augmenting the order of other atoms and molecules to conform to our needs and curiosities…
"...if i do say so myself."
Somehow in the near future: This consciousness is sponsored by Raid shadow legends
If you wanna think faster, buy our premium membership
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@@no-fx9fx Isn’t that EA job
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dude that is too true
Hi! Transhumanist here. I love your channel - specifically for videos like this one. Thanks for being awesome!
Interminable psychotic breakdown/ infinite suffering sounds good, I like the idea that if this is possible it opens the door to suffering beyond all comprehension. The limits of suffering have merely been scratched by natural processes
nice
The Animators have outdone themselves this time. Every episode is very well made but for some reason, the animation here is sublime.
cdpr probably gave them a hefty budget so this one was made well
@@bigdiglett3258 I suppose they are getting sponsored
sublime indeed
Its great and on point
Well they are german
The new word phrase when our consciousness leaves our body will be: Rest in PC
I like this one
r/tihi
This topic is marvelous but troubling at the same time for me. As awesome as it sounds to be able to experience digital immortality and to become a god within yourself with limitless knowledge and simulated experiences to make you the most well-rounded and experienced being, I cant get over the fact that It wont really be you. Unless we can somehow directly transfer the mind, which would mean physical death, it would only be a copy; you would just get up after the 'scan' and continue your normal life and eventually die as your copy goes on to do all the things mentioned. You would never actually experience all the fruits of the concept. We have AI models today that are trained on you and can simulate your behaviors in the internet and continue doing what it assumes you would have done even after your death, but that isn't you, only a series 1's and 0's dancing around pretending to be you. However for all we know, that could already be us. The topic of free will is constantly debated and its certainly an unfalsifiable concept. How that intersects with the amazing idea of transferring that ~you-ness~ is maybe something nearly untouchable in our era. Less than 150 years ago, in 1897, William Thompson said, "There is nothing new to be discovered in physics now. All that remains is more and more precise measurement". That aged like milk considering DNA was discovered six decades later and the first exoplanets were discovered nearly a whole century after than and on top of that what with quantum theory and whatnot. Maybe one day our species could become digital semi-gods. Nothing is really impossible I guess. The idea of facetime and virtual reality would have melted a 14th century peasants brain and we're in a time of unpredictable growth with technology
Greatly appreciate the existence of this channel 🎉
"You might be in an eternity of pain or paranoia or having an endless psychotic breakdown" No need to wait, already there
That's a 2020 comment.
Yup, already got data corruption going on 😂
So, 2020, in other words.
Spicy 👌
Cyberpunk 2020 wasn't a popular DLC.
"Humans have been historically bad at predicting the future" *mentions Cyberpunk 2077
I doubt this technology will fully realised in 2077 though. Maybe in a few hundreds if not thousands of years from now.
@@VerycoolEsso I think they were joking about how long it took for the game to come out when they said it would.
The world ended at 2000 because all the computers corrupted and created black holes that sucked the universe in. It sucked everyone into an alternate universe that is the exact same, except the world hasn't ended and nobody remembers it did.
@@VerycoolEsso the joke is that the game "Cyberpunk 2077" has gotten delayed numerous times, showcasing that they were not good at predicting what time in the future they would be ready to release the game.
depends, look at the rate of technological ascension, 6,000 years ago we were playing with death, 1,000 years ago we conquered and killed across the globe, 300 years ago we discovered two more continents, 200 years ago we discovered the last, 100 years ago modern machines were spread only in certain parts of the world, 80 years ago we discovered a quick way to destroy mankind, 60 years ago we landed on another celestial body, 50 years ago we made portable digital setups, and personal computers, 30 years ago we traveled across Mars and made allowed people from every corner of the world to communicate, 20 years ago we minimized,even more, 10 years ago we broke through into the world of DNA sequencing and telescope technologies that allow us to see lightyears of our surroundings. Now? We're using gene editing on a vast scale, even in human trials, Artificial Intelligence now able to spot cancers in the body, we're creating reusable shuttles and spacecraft, advancing into treating brain cancers, and spotting meteorological events months, years, hell even decades or centuries before they are fated to happen.
the animation is just pure gold
Of all of your videos, I find this one easily the most terrifying.
Welcome to neuroscience, where everything is complicated and nobody knows anything
We certainly know a ton more than we did a century ago, so at the very least progress is being made (albeit slowly in comparison to other fields).
@@WalterUnglaub the pursuit of knowledge fuels human innovation
ONE THING WE DO KNOW, consciousness is not material, or generated by the brain. any1 debate me. can your atoms, which make up your brain create emotions, subjective conscious experience, memories? no they cannot. consciousness is beyond physical, hence metaphysical spirit/soul/consciousness/mind whatever you want to call it dame thing, NOT THE PHYSICAL BRAIN. YEAAAAHH YEAAHHHHH.(mayweather voice).
Welcome to philosophy, where everyone likes pretending they know while simultaneously admitting they don't
The more you know, the more you know how little you know!
"One day they woke me up, So I could live forever" -GLaDOS
It's such a shame the same will never happen to you! - glados
the cake is a lie
"You've got your short sad life left." - GLaDOS
@@pseudonyme590 that’s what I’m counting on
**uploads mind** some random asian hacker: that's mine now
Don't know if the game is good or not, but the amount of info you guys gave on the topic is quite astounding.
That's how advertisement should always be. Such a brilliant video!
@@aturchomicz821 how is that rascist? being insulting and racism are different things, ya know also you spelt Racist wrong
Is it an ad? If so, this is not at all how it should be. Not once do they make mention of sponsorship or any exchange of money, so it's super illegal if it is sponsored. That being said, I'm pretty sure it just isn't sponsored.
@@aturchomicz821 Furry is not a race or real thing...
@@Ari-hc1vr yh its a collaboration, not An ad
Ohw whoops for a second I thought you were talking about advertisement embedded in your brain simulation... It's a no from me.
"Can we upload our minds to computers?" Kurzgesagt: *goes on a tangent about a dystopian future where non-uploaded people are called meat persons*
Reminds me of how bender calls everyone meat bags
@@billykobiella9559 lol
Reminds me of the others from the 5th wave
I have video game where it has some dialogues of other languages which not familiar with ,if i If i upload my coinesnness into that video game will that would be me or someone else
i'm just concerned that we won't really transfer over and instead it creates a new mind with all of our memories but our original life just ends and we never experience the stuff our digital mind does
The thing about that is it doesn’t matter. If you believe in souls that do something that isn’t nothing after death (reincarnation, judgement, etc.), then you would believe that copying a brain doesn’t transfer consciousness at all. If you don’t believe in souls, then you’ll never know. You’ll close your eyes and fade out of existence, and your copy will believe their consciousness has effectively been transferred for the rest of eternity, seeing as their last memory was trying to do just that. And for all intents and purposes, in the absence of a soul, that’s true. Either you believe consciousness is a function of the brain, which would be transferred through copying, or you believe it’s a function of the body/soul/more than a sum of its parts, in which case you could consider it impossible or require that more than just the brain be copied in order to transfer it.
Just finished watching the show “Pantheon” (great show)…. Decided to come back to watch this video again 😂
LMAO i was about to make this same comment!!
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"Is it possible to - It's complicated" - Kurzgesagt, in a nutshell
- The Universe, in a nutshell
Tim Pool, the cartoon.
@@WalterUnglaub your existence is statistically impossible
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Welcome to science :3
Kurzgesagt is like: 'It's complicated'. Then proceeds to explain it that even a 2 year old can understand it.
@@broland6635 yup :))))
Reminds me of Mumbo "It's very simple redstone"
Its bc its been extensively rewritten and condensed by the channel's crew, not just the voice of Kurzgesagt. Theyre also leaving out so much more information on the topic
And yet it is still complicated.
Seeing this 2 years later, one thing that this video assumes is that we need to make a perfect replica of the brain in order to simulate consciousness, but maybe it just has to be good enough. A bit like Kurzgesagt touches on with simpler, more managable systems. But there is also you know like, training a system to do it. There's been an immense development in A.I. generation the last two years so I can't blame Kurzgesagt at all, or maybe they did think of it and it wasn't easily fit into the video but; what if you do not have to emulate entire protein chains, if you could localize and properly define what causes the conscious experience, assuming physicalism, then maybe you could train an A.I. to simulate it well enough. We already have A.I. images that are indiscernible from real images. But the A.I. didn't emulate a camera, a photographer, a room, the sun. It just put pixels in place from a knowledge base of composition and created something that looks real. Even faces which we are evolutionarily trained to recognize. It's not just images. As of writing this we're starting to see the first video generation, impressive language generation which shook the world as with ChatGPT, incredibly natural text to speech etc. etc. So who says there isn't a possibility that an A.I. could train on your conciousness over a large chunk of your lifetime and create something that you and everyone else would recognize as your own mind? It would just have to be good enough. No 1 to 1 mapping and recreation of the brain required.
1:06 Thank you for letting us know!
GF: What are you thinking? My brain after sending million billions of signal: Nothing
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“Deleting a memory that bugs you” Lol I wish.
Me too
Does this remind you of ready player two?
Honestly, I wish I could remember everything.
@@hondaguy9153 I wish I could delete everything bad, some people have bad addictions and they probably wish they could forget about it
@@Zi7ar21 understandable. I guess literally being able to remember everything and get rid of the stuff you want to forget would be the ideal.
Came backafter Pantheon Season 2. The potential future is both scary and exciting
Me to haha 😂
Me too bro just so excited of what the future has to offer and if we do solve uploading our mind best believe I’m going to be doing it
Holy shit dude, I realised how real this could be, in fact, Ken liu is from Harvard, the writer of the show
We tend to see the brain as this one control panel, but I think how the brain operates has probably much to do with how all your organs behave, what their state is etc. To copy your brain as how you know yourself, you might need all systems in the body (and perhaps its basic default surroundings, like what you usually eat or how much sunlight you tend to get).
Give SOMA some praise. The entire game discusses this subject and eventually leads to the question "what does it mean to be human?"
Came looking for this comment
that is, to be aware/have consciousness like a God "I am who is” also animals and all of organisms have it but very limited based on instincts over which man is able to control so you can choose, god through consciousness charges the whole world like the internet
Cool Game
soma best game, literal piece of art
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“If the brain were simple enough for us to understand, we would not possess the brainpower to understand it”
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It bugs me to see the quote without the parallelism that made it quotable. "If the human brain were so simple that we could understand it, we would be so simple that we couldn't." --Emerson Pugh
isnt this ironically why we cant understand it in the first place? seems like an infinite loop to me, no matter how simple or complex it is, this will always apply
@@rangel5897 It always applies only if the assertion is actually true. Minus biological/evolutionary constraints like skull size and energy requirements, there's no reason additional brain power requires a corresponding increase in complexity. Also, "understand" is a sufficiently nebulous word that there _might_ be an overlap between what a single person can learn and retain, and an overview of the brain's workings sufficiently detailed to count as "understanding".
I know what happens after death! Contact me if you want to take the red pill.
When I first watched this video I didn't think too much of the "copy problem", but now after getting more interested in immortality I revisited the video. Some people think that mind uploading will upload the actual you and not a copy. Beyond helping us understand the brain more I don't think this is worth pursuing. The only way to extend consciousness beyond the brain would be to slowly replace it with mechanical counterparts. Thankfully a lot of people in the comments realize that the upload will just be a copy of you and Kurzgesagt mentioned it multiple times.
If I were to get my brain uploaded, I'd be terrified that something would go wrong and I'd have to exist forever missing something, or having something messed up. The most terrifying possibility is that I'd be nowhere. My consciousness floating around in an empty void, forever remembering actually living and feeling, but never being able to again.
This one hits deep! I must say I am pretty scared of the death, but if you philosophize about it, this may be even more scary
@@Yodawes I'm with you, this death anxiety is killing me..
No because that whould not be you, you will never ever exist in the digital world, even if you made an exact copy of your brain, because the person in the digital world is not you, but just a robot with the same memories and thinks like you
@@minty69420 Yes, but anything that has the same memories as me and thinks like me would feel like they actually were me, and if the real me dies, then there will still be something that perceives itself as me. Idk if I'm doing a good job explaining it.
@@charlottecochran2337 yes but you whould still be dead
Seconds before dying: "Oh fuck, I forgot to save now I'm going back to my 7 year old self again"
Lol
Thatd be sweet bro.
In the words of Graystillplays... "What do you know? Back to the beginning..."
That would be like crafting the Zenith and the game crashes. Back to defeating the Eye of Cthulu, I guess.
*Darkness* *Bethesda Softworks presents* *The Elder Scrolls V* *Skyrim*
Me : Why does Kurzgesagt say "its complicated" after every question?. Kurzgesagt : well, its complicated
Not for the man with a silverhand
@glera mlera You're insane.
@glera mlera Haha too late. Mind upload go brrrrrrrr.
aight bois, we have an anti vaxxer in the comments
@glera mlera stfu karen
I just finished watching AMC pantheon and this concept is becoming more intrigued
The part where we feel paranoid or scared. We don’t need to feel paranoia I am sure we can delete that part. What is scary is someone getting a copy of your brain or actually stealing your brain and put you in a simulation where he or she is the god of that world and you know torture you paranoia you add more codes to your brain and gives you phobias of being alive or see or phobia of thinking. I would rather just die and the end. We really take death for granted sometimes. Death is sweet I’m glad we cannot live forever so people don’t take advantage of that and torture us forever or something like that. Imagine a dictator ruling forever.
Imagine being a robot human and seeing ‘locked. Please connect to iTunes’
"We just need to do a quick update...."
Imagine using apple overpriced products.
@Ishaan Singh Such a bummer. I will never buy a windows and prefer to pay for overpriced apple products and their services.
@Ishaan Singh that's not how it works....what?
I know what happens after death! Contact me if you want to take the red pill.
"Humans have historically been horrible at predicting the pace of progress" Yes, much like Cyberpunk's dev cycle
😂😂 much like them
HA!
rekt
Yes of course. in 1990, humanity thought that 2020 will have flying cars, and what we have now? A hoverboard that does not hover for a second :/
BURN!!!! 🔥😂
I really like that subtle nod when Johnny grabs his head in pain and turns into an entirely different birb, I never saw that before
This concept caught me completely working into it
Interesting, but man, this would bring up many moral questions...
Play SOMA to get a start on those moral questions.
If you think about replication, etc. it's very interesting. I for once would like to talk to a few copies of myself :D
When a species elevates to a new level, morality of or for the old species doesn't matter anymore. We don't think about killing chickens or plants or insects as long as they feed us. Same will probably happen that OUR morality will become insignificant to the digital mind as it will rapidly gain intelligence because it won't have the biological limitations that we have. What I'm trying to say is, if what you say happens, our morality won't matter.
It ain't a kruzgesagt video if I don't have an existential crisis by the end
@@yasirelec allowing morality to decay will lead to bigger problems. Ethics along with true understanding will disappear with time and the void of materialism will takes its place.
The question is... if you upload a copy of your brain to a computer... is that you? Or a copy of you with your memories? If the computer lives on and you don't, won't that computer be experiencing new memories while you are simply gone? I would argue a better, and arguably more technologically feasible way of living on in your mind without copying and killing yourself is to transplant the actual brain itself into a construct compatible with a digital interface. You can't argue it's not you if it's your actual brain, not a digital copy.
Uploading your mind is not a cut and paste, it's a copy and paste. It's not you, just a copy of you.
What are you, other than your memories and experiences? A perfect copy of you with all your memories and emotions and experiences is still *a* you. Until the moment it gains a new experience or memory, which would be almost instantaneously. In which case it would be a different you, but still started as you. The issue with hooking our brains up to a neural interface like that is that our brains would still decay, and eventually there would still be death from it.
Wouldn't it defeat the purpose though? You're only gonna live as long as the set lifespan of your neurones right? And you have to keep feeding in the necessary nutrients and oxygen to the brain
To be honest I think there might just be no "you" at all. We are just a very complex set of cells, there's just no "you", we only act as if there was. If there's a copy of you created, it is as much you, as you are, because there's nothing unique about us, our consiousness and everything is just an illusion in a way. It's hard to imagine TBH.
This is why I always hated the Star Trek teleporters; you get destroyed and a perfect copy gets built somewhere else, it’s not actually you
I think the biggest issue is the types of data, and how it is transferred. You could plug your brain into a computer like a flash drive and experience reality like that, but you would still have a brain that needs maintenance. However, directly moving the data stored in your brain to a computer, leaving your body braindead, is difficult. Computers, when moving data, just copy it to the new location and delete it from the old one. You can’t do that with your brain, because it will just be a copy of you and not you. So, even if a brain is compatible with a digital computer, you would die if you tried it. You would still exist, but it would be a copy of your consciousness, meaning the consciousness you have now would no longer exist. There’s also the philosophical standpoint, touched a little in the video, which is if our consciousness is even a real part of the brain. Our brains may just be host to our spirit, which leaves after enough damage is done. If that is the case, we may never be able to stuff one into a computer.
Obsessed with these vids...❤
"The Brain in a nutshell." Skull: That's me!
You got me with that one I was the first comment btw
That's amazingly cute
@@mohammadshazan490 you wasnt
Lmao
@@user-kl2ix8qk3u i know I am 😘
The brain trying to figure what the brain is might be the most ironic thing of all in humanity
First day of Neuro Anatomy class, my professor ask if we think the brain is capable of studying the brain and teach about the brain.
Except the brain isn't figuring anything out, people are. People are not brains (mereological fallacy).
@@its9001 that's where you are wrong
@@billkastanis1576 Care to give any argument? I recommend reading Wittgenstein's Remarks on Psychology and Ryle's Concept of Mind. Most philosophy post those two is an aberration. People are not brains in the same way that people are not arms. People have brains and have arms. It is really quite obvious. Try to recognise the behavioural criteria for ascribing psychological attributes such as thinking. Then realise that brains do not exhibit any behavioural criteria, but rather people do. You know this because this is how you operate linguistically every day.
@@its9001 material is all over the internet. I am speaking through my medical teachere perspective that i found to be right. You are entitled to your own opinion. Have a goos day not gonna argue
The take on conscience backup of Altered Carbon is maybe one of the best out there.
This content is absolutely marvellous, many thanks for this amazing work. I am 32 and I used to think I would live to get the chance to upload my mind into the Internet. Now I doubt we will have that technology in the next hundreds of years. Definitely if it is a choice, even if it means it is a suicide, I think at an older age is a great option. Maybe we will be still us and will live forever or, at least, a long long period of time.
I have video game where it has some dialogues of other languages which not familiar with ,if i If i upload my coinesnness into that video game will that would be me or someone else
"The brain is the most complex and important organ in the human body" - *the brain*
Lmaoooo
" 'The brain is the most complex and important organ in the human body'-the brain"-the brain. Brainception
Yeah, as far as we know, no other organ has an opinion about it's own performance.
@@ChristoTitan my heart tells me when im anxious or falling for a fuckboy
The brains ego is the most destructive thing in the world - my brain
Id definitely say we got this at some point. We could use the glass hard drives that can hold like a zetabyte of data, to store everything we've already learned, and then surround it with software to be able to keep learning 🤔
I think the main issue is the fact that an uploaded mind is just a copy of yourself, it won't actually transfer your consciousness. Thus all you've really done is ''reproduced'' for the lack of a better word. The only way to really transfer consciousness is probably to gradually replace parts of the brain until eventually everything is inorganic and then do whatever you wish with that. None of this seems particularly impossible, though the latter is significantly more difficult than the former and may take over a century rather than a couple decades.
Yeah it has to be a "space-style" transfer/transmission Space is a thing, not empty, as Relativity, Quantum Physics, & math teaches us. A network of things making a coordinate system/grid. (What this grid is made of, relativity isn't designed to tell us. The answer must lie in quantum physics. According to the latest theories that get close to quantum gravity, it's a network of entangled/destructively interfering quantum vacuum particle-waves while those that are not entangled/constructively interfered are the visible matter in space. This alters the network causing curved geometry, gravity.). When we move, we are effectively copied/created along the grid in our direction of "motion" (an illusion like the movement of your computer mouse on the pixel grid screen) & deleted where we used to be. We do not notice this & consciousness is consistent. The information transmitted losslessly one spatiotemporal moment-distance to the next. This is what has to be done to truly upload a mind onto a computer. The brain has to be wiped. Its like the end of Avatar one when Jake leaves his human body for good & its brain dead while he lives as a Na'Vi in his Avatar. Given that everything is information, your consciousness basically an intigrated computer model of the world & yourself + your memories (A vital part of consciousness is remembering as any blackout drunk will tell you), if this is a lossless transmission where each neural state (Signal + connectome) is directly captured & converted into a digital signal while the neuron is wiped you, the real you, should be truly moved by this in the same way that you are when you, well, move in realspace.
The way it would have to be done is by plugging into the brain similar to 2:05 sans the disassembly or yeah 0:18 . The brain is an oscillating/spiking neural network that builds/breaks connections using these oscillating/spiking signals as a result of the chemical signals they cause to be emitted which encourage nearby neuronal cells to connect or disconnect. Signals would have to be sent that first, cause the brain & computer brain to pulse in sync (Thinking of Avatar 1's ending again) and second, cause the neurons to rearrange themselves in a way that erases/smooths the network of the brain while also sending back signals that transmit the physical information of this into the computer where this operation is reversed In the digital brain made of an AI O/SNN (Oscillating/Spiking neural Network) using those exact signals as input. This ensures a direct causal connection between the operations that makes this a true mind upload rather than mind reproduction that gets rid of the original. Moving the mind as I said in my first reply. This task is several times harder than simply making a copy to live as you in your place from a scan which would certainly be invented first. (And is already hard.) But could be possible!
This is how an ad for a product should be, the game gets the advertisement, you get a good idea for a video and we get great content with no bs
@Witaminka B12 Meh, only on consoles. On PC I'm having an amazing time with the game. Consoles will get patched overtime and by March the game will be great. Everyone's losing their shit because of bugs but forget that games like The Witcher 3, Skyrim, Fallout, Red Dead Redemption, Dragon Age, and more had hilarious bugs at launch too.
@g00gleHIdes comments 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@g00gleHIdes comments what the absolute illuminatiass frick
@@Messi-rw9ng "At launch". Bro they even made a 64 bit version of Skyrim with the same old bugs lmao. And people praise New Vegas and it's riddled with bugs too. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ You couldn't even get playable frame rates in The Witcher with a 1070ti. Now I can play that thing on medium-high with a 1050 and get decent frames.
@Witaminka B12 the game is good it's your own fault for putting to such a high standard that literally nothing could live up to it. Remember when skyrim and fallout 4 came out that shit was almost unplayable, but nobody said anything and gradually all those problems got fixed and people got better specs.
I never thought id ever hear Kurzgesagt narrator saying “The Witcher” but here we are and i live for it
Bro Ur likes r growing exponentially 😂😂
I was NOT expecting that. What a time to be alive. Great video though, as always
No need for immortality, I've lived this moment and it's enough xD
he said 'top 10 anime betrayals' in a previous video, this is nothing
It's not about uploading, it's about connecting more and more devices to the mind until, ultimately, most of the storage and calculations are happening physically outside of your biology.
Even if you could upload you mind, you would lose your biology (brain, genes, etc). You're emotions, feelings, way of reacting to things would no longer be determined by your biology, but instead by a script someone had written. So you would not be you anymore. You would be the program someone had written, with the memories of who you were as a person.
Can we just stop and talk about how superb the animation in this episode was? This is a visual masterpiece.
Except I was a bit bewildered as to why they decided that brains should pulse like a heart at 5:00
Bro when the space trucker got to shot down I was like "whoooooah"
@@pawlstothewall Brains are squishy so they pulse with the artheries that irrigate it! I saw it happen on a surgery video.
No, we can discuss the animation quality while we do other things.
oh my god... The progress on their animation is mind blowing...
@@Radiant100 no, you're a lier
@@Radiant100 no
@@Radiant100 stfu
i agree if you compare a video from 3 years ago compared to now you can tell the quality has improved
@@Radiant100 cant sub, but im gonna help by flagging your comment as spam :)
Since over a course of several years )at least from what I have gathered. Every cell in our body is replaced and we don't die despite the entirety of our brain's cells being replaced. We could do a kind of Theseus's ship kind of thing where we place a brain in something and keep it alive and the thing we place it in replaces the brain cells immediately after they die with a more permanent mechanical brain cell. Once the cycle passes the brain could have turned into a giant cpu and since the replacement neurons are mechanical the brain can now think many times faster and even be placed in a new mechanical body perhaps made through a similar procedure.
These videos always amaze me for some reason😳
Brain: Why is the brain so hard to understand
It's got the feel of: The floor here is made of floor
"If the brain were so simple that we could understand it, we would be so simple we couldn't."
@@Janoha17 damn
@@Janoha17 Nice quote
@@Janoha17 - somebody smart