The CIA's New Liberator: the 9mm Deer Gun
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The Deer Gun is a covert CIA pistol inspired by the Liberator. In fact, the initial desire was to pull Liberators out of storage to use in the 1950s, but out was found that they had all been scrapped in 1947/8. So instead, a new gun was designed with the same criteria of simplicity and low cost. Instead of being stamped like the Liberator, this would be made primarily form a single aluminum casting, and chambered for 9x19mm. It was loaded by unscrewing the barrel and manually inserting a cartridge, then replacing the barrel and manually cocking the striker. A hollow in the grip held a couple spare rounds and an ejector rod.
Russel Moore of American Machine & Foundry was given a contract for $300,000 to build 1000 of the guns, which he did in 1962. The intend was that once tooled up, subsequent contracts would cost only $3.95 per gun - but no further purchases were made. The use of the Deer Guns are largely unknown, as the CIA has rejected all FOIA requests related to them.
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Nothing good starts with "In the 50s, the CIA..."
Tried to assassinate putin but putin assassinated them first
😂
One exception... a lot of interesting documentaries started with that line
Watch out my dad works for the CIA and he'll get your neighborhood addicted to crack before injecting the men with syphilis and blowing it up!
Only documentaries
Imagine CIA promises to arm you so you can start your own insurgency, then air drops you this.
[Chuckles] *I'm in danger*
I want this gun in a new farcry game
@@sneakysnake7695 you're in luck, seeing as it's in south America. Probably plenty of these lying around
Its for when you want to support your allies, but not really
Well it always could be used to kill the one armed guard that will let you use their weapons afterwards... with a bit of daring this is at least better than fists, a club, a knife or a rag with chloroform for that purpose.
CIA: "Quick, whats the cheapest gun we can make?" Random Intern: "Hot Glue Gun?" *gets an instant promotion*
Im glad im not the only person who thinks it looks like a glue gun
@@jakehildebrand1824 bruh.... Literally thought the same.
@Hat Kid i heard it
I'll take 10!
Very impressed with this ingenuity. Never knew deer had ever made guns.
Wait till you see cow tools.
@@solidsnake3014 gary larson still gets mail to this day about cow tools...
Yeah but when you see what they came upw it, it's no wonder hunters are still winning.
They've even made rifles!
@@reidhanson4755so did some elephants!!
Who stole that off the end of my garden hose?
Best comment ever
Haha
Good one lol
If someone made a garden hose sprayer that looked like that I would buy one. Great comment! Made me laugh!
Hahaha
Who ever put a sight on there has a sense of humor.
A reflex sight or a Acog would be sick
Or is a hopeless optimist.
@@dlxmarks 😂
And whoever decided they should rifle some of the 'barrels' was as close to a memelord as someone in the 50's could be.
You watch, ima snipe from 400m with this thing
"We want something deniable, so let's make it very obviously bespoke & covert in nature rather than some random surplus firearm"
yeah that's what i thought, surely there were (and still are) warehouses full of old revolvers and pistols, that the CIA can get for next to nothing. its not as if the client can be choosy.
they did that when they got Egyptian AKs to arm the afghans in the 70s.
@@koenvangeleuken2853 Imagine insurgents running around with Colt SAAs and S&W Number 3's.
tthe ideal option for deniability is generally to use weapons made by your enemy. like how the soviets used german pistols to execute all those poles in katyn forest (though at the time, the germans weren't yet their enemies).
@@KhrisMiddletonFitnessOfficial allahu yeehaw
air drop hi-points... save the government money.
I'm in total agreement. Ugly but accurate and effective
Air drop a B58. Go big or go home.
Why? We want to send actual functioning pistols, not hi points
@@jongles2530 Hi poi ts are more relyable than the avdage automatic pistol. You could probably drop them without parachutes.
@@ineednochannelyoutube5384 Hi points are even more reliable than your keyboard. Remarkable.
It looks like a rusty 1950's space blaster toy
Baron OfHell it sure does. Looks like a gun Cpt. Kirk would carry
Given it's condition, it was probably used as a child's toy.
Or a workshop tool of some kind.
I think I had one of these while playing Fallout.
I was thinking the exact same thing.
part of me is expecting that gun to destroy anything in front like it's the noisy cricket from MiB
put a underwood p+ in there it would be lol
lol you'll get them wetter with the garden hose.
And send your ass flying as it does.
Underated movie.
It's a little bit weird to watch this video right after one of Joe Rogan's interviews with a navy pilot who go video of a UFO.
"It is not functional anymore." Plot twist: It never was.
Plotter twist: it's the ultra destructive gun from men in black
Nobody: CIA: lets make a hot glue gun
Lol...lol
@@jasonfrederick1258 Imagine being a moron who can't comment anything except LOL.
@@terreausore2435 Damn why are you so aggressive, he didnt say anything wrong
Capra Ibexx saying that icky word is wrong
@@terreausore2435 imagine commenting on an idiotic non-comment like lol. Must feel highly intelligent.
Putting sights on this thing seems like misplaced optimism
This made my day
Its just part of the casting, so why not.
I heard this comment in John Cleese’s voice.
Well, I think it was more of a safety that could be used as a "sight", so why not?
I view the front sight more like a place to store the clip when not using it as a "safety".
Makes the liberator look like a high end HK
I would absolutely rather this than the liberator (In prime condition that is)
This looks like the kids toys that were sold at the time.. They may nave designed it that way so that it would be ignored if seen in an innocent context..
Mark Wilko I didnt think about this.
@@zakofrx give it a bright paintjob/green etc. Its a toy or garden hose or whatever
i was thinking the same thing! lol!
Guy pumping his tire: we should make a gun His friend: that! Guy: what the air pump nozzle Friend: ya, what if it shot bullets
Lmao
Sounds like some high conversation.
Theres a DC-10 at the bottom of the Atlantic with 5000 of these in it.
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight....
@@guardiandogoargentinos1385 right
@@hatespeakersargonofakkad6523 you good...? Sent the same comment 20 mins apart....Did you want a response that bad?
@@guardiandogoargentinos1385 🤣🤣🤣
@Howie Felterbush right?
The sequel no one asked for.
But we're glad we got it nonetheless.
Well I mean... The CIA asked for it. Literally. They tried getting the previous but couldn't.. So they actually had to legitimately ask for this... Monstrosity.
Liberator II: Cast Aluminum Boogaloo
😁
The comment no one asked for.
"the CIA has rejected all FOIA requests related to them" well that's not worrying
nor surprising. we dont call em the Secret Squirrels for nothin
FOIA? What is that?
Fangadora Wolfen Freedom Of Information Act
@@fangadorawolfen6164 freedom of information act 👍 basically a legal precedent to disclose information that's requested. (Within reason)
Because: imagine having to justify to Oversight why you spent $300 per gun on a single-shot garden hose pistol.
Can you imagine the amount of relief you’d feel when your captured but finally got this bad boy in your hand. I know what I’d be thinking “Thanks, I’ll make it work.”
Ian : I have actually never seen a deer gun before *.243 Winchester has left chat*
First real rifle was a rossi 243, never actually took a deer with it, but theres a funny story of me sleeping through my dad shooting a deer with it, (i have narcolepsy, diagnosed several years later)
Ryobi called. They want their heat glue gun back. 🤣
My first thought
Ok. That was funny. Regards, Marky
John1911 Gun Blog ok boomer
complete insult and lie There isn't enough plastic
Liberator II aka the ‘noisy cricket’ Looking incredibly 1950s!
Loved the Original MIB .
Hi, I'm Ian and today on Forgotten Weapons we're taking a look at the endy bit of my garden hose. Well, here it is. Thanks for watching!
My father had one of these and I never knew it was a gun when I was a kid. Man how I wish I knew what had become of it!
Looks like someone DIY-ed a gun out of a garden hose sprinkler
or with a glue gun
That's the point - they were meant to look like improvised firearms so no one would trace them back to the U.S. gov't. If you saw one of these in the wild, you wouldn't think "CIA pistol," you'd think "someone made this in their shed with plumbing parts."
@@Tormundisc00l well, it worked
@Zach cash Hey brother, nice to see a fellow traveller around these parts. Hope you are living the fourteen. Stay well.
“Covertly arm them with a pretty lame gun” 😆
Don't you mean a water pistol fabricated out of steel?
i saw this just as he read it
@Mike Gee on the other hand if the Hi Point drops into mud it'll do better than a Glock
@Mike Gee Ian's other channel InRangeTV tested both. The Hi Point didn't do as well as a Luger but better, much better than the Glock.
@Mike Gee tell Ian because I don't really give a shit. The Glocjk 19 mud test was disastrous, basically the worst of all guns they tested. Others would have been fine after a field strip and cleaning. It wasn't possible to field strip the muddy Glock. You should have a look sometime.
Yeah, looks like something the deer could start making to defend themselves, this checks out
That looks almost exactly like my 1950s / 1960s cast aluminum pistol-grip car-mechanic / machinist's air gun for blowing dust or metal shavings of what you're working on.
_"Hey listen Snake, equipping this weapon boosts your camo index to 95% reduces all your footsteps to noiseless and gives you the ability to run without losing stamina"_
Wrong gun there boss, the EZ Gun is based on the Liberator not the Deer Gun.
@@demomanchaos _"Hey... you're pretty good!"_
@@PACKERMAN2077 kept you waiting huh?
@@demomanchaos Seems like it's still doing the job now that Snake has it equipped, though. I mean, you've seen how gullible he is, right? Guess those boosts are all in his head.
“Ugh, but Otacon, it’s just a glue gun”
"Hey, those LIberators worked quite well in the war, we might find use them today." "Yeah. Unfortunately, they were all scraped after the war, but we can make something similar, just worse and more expensive." "Perfect."
Perfect snapshot of government efficiency. Lol
I mean its about the same cost and deosnt have a big ass seam to pinch you
Government in a nutshell
When you manage to make the liberator worse you are truly getting something
As a mechanical engineer. Thank you for understanding tooling investments. Great video 🙌🏻
Give this to one of those youtube channels that does old item restorations, watch it come out smooth, polished, painted, and fully working.
"It cost the US government $300." Sheesh, it looks like something you'd mail in twelve Crackerjack box tops for.
that's the idea; looks as harmless as a toy
The government always pays too much.
@@libertarian4323 My uncle told me about a female Goat the government wanted protected and transported and the government spent like 7 million on the goat ... Didn't believe it until I started hearing all the other crazy government stories
@@xxeye4u2c64 Was that old goat named Clinton?
@@phillhuddleston9445 Honestly it could be Wish I asked him more about it
You forgot to mention it has fully ambidextrous controls ;)
Wow such advanced wow
When there are no controls, they are not biased towards one side. I would say it has "controls" that can be used even without hands at all.
@@HappyBeezerStudios *Whoosh yourself to restore Honour*
Always a good video to watch man. Much appreciated.
Manufacturing has came a long way. Ran the estimates for machining and casting something like this and it came to 6 bucks a pop in modern dollars for 1000.
Taken apart, that thing would blend right into the pile of odds and ends on the desk at my dad's paint shop.
That's actually a really good point. If you are a someone who needs a weapon like this you don't want to be caught with a weapon. The Liberator is an odd looking gun but it is still very obviously a gun. This thing could literally be taken to its main pieces and just mixed into the contents of a work bench without drawing attention if you were to be searched.
Don't even need to go that far. Just attach an air hose connector and no one will bat an eye.
@@vintageyamahasquid That was a feature of the Welrod. Without the magazine grip, it didn't look like a gun
@@zacharyrollick6169 Someone with an actual tool bench could make a convincing hacksaw grip out of it as well.
@@vintageyamahasquid If you put a plastic shell over it, take out the plunger in the back, and put in a dummy electrical cord in the grip it could easily pass for a hot glue gun.
When you realize a hi point is half of what this costs
Not only that, but he's saying 300 bucks in 1960 money. Insane overspending
@@chadf9630 The other $295 was diverted to Area 51, obviously.
That's not a fair comparison. A mass-produced Hi Point costs less than a pilot production Deer Gun because the Deer Gun was only made in a small quantity pilot production run (as far as we know), so the Hi Point's up-front tooling costs were spread across a zillion guns while the Deer Gun's up-front tooling costs were spread across a thousand guns. If the Deer Gun was put into mass production and dumped out of cargo planes by the millions, then each one would have been very cheap. It might have still been a bad idea, but they wouldn't have been $300 guns if the plan went all the way forward.
The Hi Point comparison isn’t completely off. The government spent all that money because they wanted something special, just for them. Today, you would be better off having Jimenez sell you a bunch of guns and send those. That would actually be more covert. If people start showing up with Deer Guns all of a sudden, the authorities are going to wonder what is going on. If their insurgents are found with cheap guns commonly used by criminals. No suspicion is aroused. A good mix of Jimenez, Cobra, Hi Points, and Sigmas would be your best bet to avoid suspicion.
Mark's Tech Channel tl(almost)dr but correct nonetheless
Studied and worked for years to become an agent, thinking it would be like James bond: *gets handed this gun*
"Hey, K, come on, man, you get a serious Atomizer and i get a midget Cricket?!"
That's GOOD ! LOL
2020: Should we make a new one of these? - Naah, just ship some of the Berettas we "scrapped" for the army.
If this was airdropped to me I'll be pissed.
If we're using weapons like this, it's astonishing that we managed to 'win' the Cold War
@@b-chroniumproductions3177 nobody but diplomacy won, its still ongoing even in many people's opinions
@@b-chroniumproductions3177 we didn't we dropped it to poor countries, did you listen to the video at all?
@@bigbud6842 cold war was fought using poor countries as proxies
庄司 慎吾 - Shōji Shingo wat
I feel like the fact that "they" are blocking FOIA requests means that there must have been some use, or at least they gave some to someone. If they just never actually got used then I don't see why they would reject a FOIA request.
Doesn't it kind of defeat the purpose of an act called the "Freedom of Information Act" if they can just refuse?
Even if they were not used maybe they aren't really fine to openly say that they spent 300000$ on bad dangerous guns to arm "undefined" characters... Especially since the idea was spending 3$ for gun...
@@LVPittinsberg Yes. The only legitimate claim is a current threat to national security, which is incredibly difficult to claim for anything that long ago. But the government also has tons of documents still secret from WW2 for the same reason, like Nazi ghosts will rise up if they hear the truth.
@@Etherman7 they could claim national security if they believe that it will piss off a strategic ally or instigate active conflict with an ideological enemy, especially if these guns were used for political assassinations. Given we do know they actively armed religious extremists, anti-democratic resistance movements, and terrorists around the world, it's likely that one or two of these guns were used to murder our allies' soldiers, politicians, or journalists.
@Lochness Monsta Yeah probably in some 3rd world S**t hole that annoyed uncle Sam somehow.
Jeez imagine a soviet seeing this and thinking to himself dang even we arm third party groups better
CIA: drops this. KGB: drops T-34 tanks shooting AK 47s.
Hey Ian, just thought I'd mention, one of the M-16's assigned to me was made by GM Hydromatic Division It was my Favorite of all the Weapons i had/used in the Army. She was a Honey and I was the first to use it. Absolutely dead accurate.
I bet There’s several of these laying around in some grandparents garage
In many south american countries, you can find these at yard sales every saturday morning.
Secard420 Woah, South America sounds kinda cool, excusing the other stuff
Yeah there's probably even more stashed on some army base somewhere in the us
@@secard4202 bring me one
EDNA!!!! THE NOZZLE WONT FIT ON THE HO-*BANG*
"Rejected Freedom of Information requests" - Is it really 'Freedom' if they can reject it?
oh please, freedom died a long time ago
@BoomerLemon freedom isnt an on/off deal
@BoomerLemon It means you either have it or don't, it can't be sometimes yes, sometimes no. Freedom, however, means different things to different people.
Americans-Freedom of information request submited CIA- freedom exercised to deny information request. Liberty prime- democracy is non negotiable.
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On the liberator video from this channel I watched I never saw anything about storage for extra bullets. He did say the kits came with x amount of extra rounds but the way the frame looked like 2 pieces welded together I didn't know it had an opening
Threaded barrel, I’m surprised California hasn’t ban these
when i was real young about 25-35 years ago my grandfather had a deer gun in his collection ending up selling it for a big amount before he died. odd to see one again
The clever thing is, you can screw on any chamber, so you can drop it customised for ammo that's available in the area.
.50 BMG Deer Gun?
@@BetaDude4012 gauge?
This channel is awesome
There's a modern zip gun similar to this except even simpler, same loading method but a polymer body and rather than a striker and sear it has a step on the grip to push your finger off the trigger at the end of it's travel which then let's the striker fly forward freely
As I understand it, a primary requirement was to make the gun useful to partisans (shoot that solider and get his rifle) but useless to the occupying force that the partisans were fighting. In the 1950s I'm sure the CIA could lay it's hands on boatloads of WWII surplus for less then the cost of the 1000 of these made, but most of that stuff was still militarily useful and when arming partisans (especially by covert air drop) you have to assume that much of your supplies will be captured by the occupying force. And The CIA didn't want to efficiently arm the forces they were trying to depose. I also think that part of the reason this didn't get beyond the 1000 initial production is the CIA figured out it's easier and cheaper to get arms dealers to move that cheap WWII surplus to the rebels you want to support as you are no longer arming cells in Fortress Europe by covert airdrop.
Yup, this is the real answer. The CIA found this thing called the Black Market.
What an insightful post
Parts of the defence planning in Europe incorporated lessons from the partisan warfare in WW II. There was an expectation that the soviet forces would initially take territory while NATO powers in Europe and the USA mobilized. So there would be a lot of people fighting delaying and partisan warfare behind or around the front. Those operations would have used stashes of weapons, explosives etc placed beforehand. We have a crate in a fake shed out on a farm, or this concrete storage block out in the woods that's unmarked on maps that the local Home Guard units know how to find. If someone wants to start a partisan movement like we encourage them to do, we hand them a cheap but not crap-cheap SMG from one of these stashes.
That's a good point. If an enemy solider intercepted an insurgent and got a hold of this, they would not only not be able to trace it back to the CIA, but they'd probably think this was made by hand in a shed. However, an insurgent could probably get the drop on a soldier and get a shot off at very close range due to how comically small that pistol is.
@@TeodorSpiridon You're on the streets of Copenhagen and assassinating nazis? It has to be a single nazi, you need to be pretty close, and you need them by surprise. And it's either this thing or just about any black market pistol. The polish Home Army managed to make weapons in a shed in a swamp, and they were better than this piece.
"Dad I never got Ralph a toy for his birthday!" "Damn lets go to the pharmacy and pick up a plastic pop gun on the way over. Say...these give me an idea hold on while I call Langley."
Actually, back then it was "lemmie find a payphone so I can call Langley."
*GOV* “ghost guns are illegal *ALSO THE GOV* “lets air drop these ghost guns”
Despite how awful this may have been and how reviled it may be to many people, I love how simple this is. Something about it is really appealing to me.
Old toy ray gun style
Deer guns Deer guns made: 100,00 Deer guns shipped: 100 Deer guns used: 1 Use: rabid possum outside radio station
Ain't no rabid possums, friend.
@Jimmy Peeps bcuz they possums don't carry Rabies. Simple. Don't believe it??? Look it up
@Jimmy Peeps I go out of my way to be mauled by a possum everytime I encounter one. Ain't caught the hydrophobie yet! And they can't carry it. At all.
@@hazahizabbanzabalawan3815 Fun Fact: All information i found stated the opposite, including some medical cases involving rabid possums, though rabies is very rare amongst them.
You forgot to add the last part: missed possom way wide due to the wildly inaccurate nature of the gun
"You could make them for about $3.95 apiece." "Cost the US government about $300." Wow, no wonder the manufacturer took on that contract!!
$300,000 ($300×1000 guns) was for design and tooling. After that existing tools could churn out ~five dollar guns indefinitely. Make 99,000 more of them and your total cost might barely hit $1,000,000. $10/gun is no joke.
Well, this also could be some kind of gratification for a manufacturer, after all silence is golden. But from the other point of view - tooling, design, plus 1000 guns, seems to be a quite a good deal.
The reason for the difference is explained at 6:13.
It's not a cheap gun. It's a deer gun.
A $4 object costs $300. Sounds like a government run operation.
There is a good photo of this weapon in G.Gordon Liddy's autobiography "WILL".
Gun Falls: "What is this?" Looks up to the Sky: "I knew you hated me..."
While I understand the purpose, in practice this may be one of the shittiest guns not made by Cobray.
It doesn't even make sense one shot form 9mm isn't enough to just drop someone dead most of the time ,so one shot 9mm is horrible idea. They could at least make it 2 barrel to give you 2 shoots. And it doesnt look threatening at all so to treaten somone with it to give away his real gun you would prabably first need to explain it is a fire arm. Pity for the guys who would need to use this or original liberator.
@@MrMleczkp seems like we found the Fudd. This gun wasn't meant to threaten, it was meant to be used in an ambush situation, close quarters. If the enemy still lived after being shot, you could still finish them off with their own gun.
@@blarfroer8066 SO why use gun when you could use knife? SU and this time was handing AKs to militias so this particular idea was really bad. If they come with gun disguised as common tools, OK worth to try it, but this one is ridiculous.
@@plasot Pulling a trigger is probably easier for random people than using a knife, albeit louder.
I think I'd rather have a gun made by Cobray than one of the multitude of pot metal 25 ACP, 22 LR, etc pistols out there.
My reaction when I saw this thumbnail: OH NO
DEER GOD what they have done?
@@giornogiovanna729 Haha cute dad joke.
@@FlymanMS I think we found the FBI agent here
As always GR8 VID!!!💥🔫 👍 😁
That looks like a lot of fun to restore
I almost wonder if the very limited usability for the gun was seen as a feature. It would give an insurgent something for sneaking up on the enemy with and killing the guy, but if the enemy collected them they would be little more than scrap metal. A real gun would have been more useful to the insurgents but it would also be useful to the enemy.
Why not giving them knives? Muuuch better for sneaking up on people.
@notsaying7838 firstly, knives are literally over the counter, just go into any kitchen and you can find at least one good knife. Secondly, knives are a meme when it comes to effectively unaliving someone silently. The traditional way requires at least six full-in stabs in order to make them unconscious, struggling all the while. The more effective, but trickier, way is to slip it between the base of the skull and the first vertebrate, this severing the spine from the brain and causing death by paralysis of the lungs and heart. But that requires you to be ROGHT behind the target, which at that point, why rely on something THAT finicky? Why not just get some piano wire around the throat? Or better yet, why not just dome the guy from a safer range with a silenced .22 pistol, like the Ruger Mk. III?
@@notsaying7838do you know how hard it is to sneak right up behind somebody outside of games, and how liog it takes somebody to die from a stab wound (while making lots of noise and fighting you back)
@@callumbreton8930 Fair point, knives aren't that hard to find legally, although this _particular_ gun isn't much of an improvement either. Loud, ridiculously inaccurate and short ranged, seemed to me like a disadvantage compared to a regular knife. Of course they could've picked a better gun, however that's not what they did, they made _that_ abomination. I'm not praising knives over guns, I'm critiquing this particular gun design against knives.
@@Ukraineaissance2014 Honestly, I think the deer gun would have pretty much the same issues.
"Why the homies keep joking on my strap"
I love how u casually talk about covert operations
Interesting video. Thanks
I wonder why no modern pistols have gone with the "fit your front sight right when you need to use it" approach? Strange.
I can't imagine it lends itself to a lot of accuracy.
@@AesculapiusPiranha Neither does the one inch long barrel, but then again, this gun was only ever intended to be used to sneakily get yourself a much better gun from someone who had one.
Love the way this looks kind of like those kids die-cast metal cap guns that you just don't see any more... and at the same time, as serious as a heart-attack.
I seen one of these and a garage sale and didn't know what it was, I DIDNT KNOW!
Ian your wrong about this one. That actually is a 1960's water nozzle for a garden hose. 💦 Turn the nozzle to adjust spray pattern.
Just imagine some farmer still using these to quickly kill their livestock
This was my first thought too, it's strangely close to being a cattle gun with some (very minimal) reach.
azmanabdula you can use it to kill a deer and take its gun
@@Dominic-fd2wz but can it take care of invincible bears wearing body armor? If not I'm grabbing my boulder and going to rape a church and burn some women while I load up my baby skull seeking bullets in my innocent lives killing gun.. His names Donald. Yeah.. IDK where I was going with that.. At first it was a reference.. Later on it just became a mess. And no I don't have a gun named Donald. I name mine after demons not people thank you very much.
@@Dominic-fd2wz every time i see the ingsoc sign it reminds me of the sydney swans AFL logo
@@Dominic-fd2wz Lmao, that reminded of that Family Guy episode where the Deer blow's a hunter away with his own .308 Hunting rifle after he misses the shot.
Investigator: Here's a FOIA CIA: What's in it for me? Investigator: Uhmm... CIA: Thought so.
Interesting video. Thanks. Did they ever try longer barrels?
It's interesting that AMF had such a big hand in making these for the CIA. I worked as a bowling alley mechanic for a year recently and AMF made all of our pinsetter machines and cast-iron parts for them. Kinda wild.
[Gets handed a Deer Gun] "I feel like I'm gonna break this damn thing!"
Calm down Hulk. It's solid aluminum. I do love the movie though.
Well that's pretty cool
I mean, totally useless even if it did "work" but, yeah. Pretty cool.
Omg useless duck company
When you pick up a hot glue gun and a message pops up: "New recipes unlocked! Check your recipe book"
it also looks like a tool for spraying ceilings
I once thought about making something like this as a fun project once. I decided I like not being full of shrapnel, so I dropped it.
You test your creation from a distance...not in your hand.
3d print it. Looks like would only be 4-5 parts.
@@leechowning2712 Show me the 3D printed plastic that can survive the pressures involved in a gun. Then I’ll try it.
@@jamesharding3459 well there is an article on 3d printed guns en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3D_printed_firearm
@@jamesharding3459 FCG-9
When the CIA decided they wanted Roland dead, they gave Van Owen one of these and he laughed them out of the room
Warren Zevon references intensify.
Why does my mind go to a triangular foam “support” pillow whenever he mentions “the liberator?”
He made it out of area51 with the alien blaster
My first thought was fallout
Just show this to the enemy and they'll start laughing so hard you can just take their weapon. ;)
That sight is simply a directional indicator for close range assassination.
Thing is that gun is so simple you could fix it in like 15 minutes if you had a tap and die set as long as the barrel, striker and firing pin are still good
Ian, Thank you for fulfilling my long-time request for the Deer Gun. This is such a momentous occasion.
It reminds me of the gun Daffy Duck would wield when he was Duck Dodgers. 🤣😂🤣
That was a great show
The Liberator's straight to Video sequel.
Good Ol' G. Gordon Liddy had one of these... There is a picture in his (awsome) book "Will"
This makes a Saturday Night Special look like a solid alternative choice
Pretty sure the "Saturday Night Special" moniker was just propaganda. To deny people owning firearms. Of course they'd be cheaper the a S&W model 29 and not built as well
Still too complex. Would have just put a wood grip and simple trigger on the classic tube based zip gun.
wow this is a true piece of history love it
I saw a new one of these for 2020 gun line up for shot show. It is called a ALTOR PISTOL & has a price of $120.00 for .380 & $130.00 for 9mm . My guess is, more then likely, it will end up here on Forgotten Weapons. Get them now while they are cheap & then them sell in 20 plus years for big $$$.
Why a "Deer gun", though? Other than, "oh deer, is this the best we could do?" I'm kinda also wondering, if any thought was put into, er, concealment in plain sight? The Liberator looks like a gun, this, however, could be stored among garage tools, and your regular grunt wouldn't even suspect it was a gun.
That would be, "Oh dear!" I was thinking "Deere" as in the die-cast John Deere toy tractors from the '50s and '60s. But really, did Ian explain the origin of the name? I didn't notice if he did.
I'm guessing it was a play on the concept of a simple pistol for dispatch of wounded game or injured animals by vet
@@DRNewcomb I know it's not oh deer. But no, it wasn't mentioned by Ian.
@@davem2369 That would make sense. 🤔
- Umm, is it any good? - Sure, I bet you can take a deer with it!
Nice to know the MIB’s continued the research and development of this that ended up as The Noisy Cricket 🦗
Lots of guns have an external safety, but I've never heard of one before where the safety was a completely separate piece.
Congratz on a _Million_ Views ;D
I wonder why people don't realize that sometimes you don't know if something is a good idea or not until you actually try it. This weapon was developed for use in Vietnam back in the days when it was a small-scale, clandestine war. When the war escalated, the need for the Deer Gun disappeared. Chalk this up to the list of other items that were good ideas when they started developing them, but then the situation changed and they were no longer needed.