Jeep Gladiator vs Moab Hell's Revenge Trail
Now that our Jeep Gladiator is on a 3" Rock Krawler X Factor lift and 37" Milestar Patagonia tires we wanted to take it to Moab to run the hardest trails Moab has to offer. Our first stop was the Hell's Revenge trail running the hardest obstacles - Hell's Gate, Mickey's Hot Tub, and Escalator. With us were our friends in their Jeep Wrangler JLU Rubicon on 37s, Jeep Wrangler JKU Sport on 35s, and a Toyota 4Runner on 35s.
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So how do you think the Gladiator did?
It's a Gladiator it Conquered of course!!
Sully did great! Better than I expected.
It did surprisingly well just confirms my confidence in purchasing one and that it will still be able to do most trails and obstacles a wrangler would.
Excellent! 👍🏻
great gladiator 👍👍👍
That 4Runner got my heart jumping
Omg the 4Runner had me on the edge of my seat going up Hell’s Gate.
Me too 😂
I thought that 4Runner was going to add to my anxiety from watching a TJ roll on Hell’s Gate over and over again (when KZhead was young)… it’s the main reason I have yet to film a trail guide of this trail. Good stuff buddy!
It defiantly added to my anxiety LOL
Very impressed with Sully and your skills!!! Great video!
Thanks!!!
Matt great video as always looking forward to the next one. You and Cara are masters.
It’s awesome to see how the extra wheelbase lets the gladiator front tires grab on flat ground making it easier while the others are still trying to crest.
That 4-Runner needs to be traded in for a Jeep!
Not sure any dealership would want My 4runner after all the Jeep Badge of Honor trails it has done (lol) ... I have 20 so far and a few of them have really left their mark. I love the Jeep's ability for off road trails especially the rock crawling, that being said I wouldn't trade my 4runner in for a jeep but I won't rule out owning a JL Rubicon one day. I love my 4runner and it has ties back to my younger days. I also own a 95 Tacoma that I will never sell. The 4runner is a great Overland vehicle and trips like this where we just rock crawl are too far apart to justify getting rid of my 4runner. I have over 85K miles on it and so far there is only two JBOH trails my group has attempted that I didn't feel I should try. Pritchett and Cliff hanger. Matt will show those videos shortly. Those two trails were almost too much for the Jeeps with 37's in our group but we got through them. However they were definitely too much for my 4runner on 35's in my opinion, especially with a trip planned through Colorado just around the corner. If I ever decide to trailer the 4runner to MOAB, I may give Pritchett a go, but as long as I have to drive home...I need to use good judgement :)
@@robertwicker196 I understand... i’ve owned numerous jeeps but my 2021 Jeep Rubicon is one of the best vehicles I’ve ever owned. When you combine that with their capability off-road it just seems like a no-brainer to me.
The Gladiator did better than expected! Great Footage. We head out in 12 days so ready for the experience! I really enjoy the content Thank You!
Have fun!
beautiful landscape,great job,i like it 👍👍👍
Many thanks
Robert will be buying him one now lol
Crazy insane video!!! First time actually seeing anything like this and now I want a jeep all over again!
We love our Jeeps!!!
Good coverage. We will be out there in late august.
I'll be back over Labor Day weekend.
Great video and driving skills. Gladiator performed better than I thought it would. I have a similar setup on mine so I was glad to see how smooth it went without departure & breakover issues
Thanks 👍
Gladiator did incredible!!! Definitely way too much anxiety for me though in the hot tub with the non Rubicon guys though. Not saying I'm going to do any of it but can't wait to go out in May.
I wish we at least went out and watch people doing this last year when we were out there, but it was our first camping trip there (Dead Horse Point State Park) so we did as much as we could, it was 107° ☺👍 this is a awesome place, thanks for sharing...if you ever need help in West Plains, let me know...
Awesome! thank you!
If you did Deadhorse in 107 temps, you get an award brother...BRAVO.
Let’s go can’t wait for this video
That was awesome guys❤️❤️❤️
thanks!
time to get the zerk gun out :-) Awesome wheeling! I think I'll give this a try here in a few weeks.
I'm so pumped... (Deflates tires)
Sounds like turkey calls lol 😂😹🤣😂
It really does. lol
Loving your gladiator
The gladiator made it all look like a bump In the road
I'm running the same set up on my Sport S :)
The only thing I have in mine is a LSD rear end with 3.73’s.
That 4Runner is creaking & struggling on a lot of those obstacles that the Jeeps do with relative ease.
It struggled on every obstacle. Only the open diff Jeep struggled on some of them. Lockers amazingly send the torque where it needs to go before a while can slip and the axle can lose torque.
The gladiator is awesome. The first obsticle really shows difference in departure angle between the Gladiator and Wrangler. The wheelbase of the gladiator allowed it to climb incredibly well, but my biggest concern is breakover and departure. I'm struggling to decide between Gladiator or Wrangler. Excellent video
I went from a JKU to the JT and have no regrets.
Just bought a 2021 gladiator rubicon, hydro blue. I tow a single axel trailer with a 4 seater side by side and a quad in the back of the bed, it handles it well. I did Sedona’s “Broken arrow” it did just fine. ( all stock) The best part. You have a tailgate to sit and enjoy the views.
@@jcmjcm2412 that's a great trail. The staircase obsticle is awesome. Pink jeep tour visit there pretty frequently too. Great place to visit I've taken my TJ jeeps on that trail many times. Last time i was there was in 2006. Glad to hear the gladiator did great on it. Hydro blue is my favorite color in jeeps selection.
Taking the family out west in my Rubicon Gladiator on 37s and 2.5” lift in July. Wanting to spend a couple days exploring Moab, if out wheeling in a solo rig how much trouble can you find yourself in?
Great content are you 4L or 4H doing hells gate? Also which lockers are engaged? Thank you!
Thanks. 4L no lockers.
I think Matt needs to peel the “RUBICON” off the hood and replace it with “MOAB” 😂 his Gladiator killed it…..
😂 Thanks!
@@OzarkOverlandAdventures I like Dave's idea, but I'd like to see it with the word "Sully" and maybe like a little monster graphic.
Have you ran into a good/beginner ish fridge that fits in the gladiator bed WITH the tonneau cover on? Looks like yours in this video is just barely too tall for the tonneau cover.
Taking our gladiator in 3 weeks. Would you recommend putting my spare in the bed so it doesn't get all hung up?
Wish ya'll had a 2 door in the group to see how all 3 models compare on the same obstacles.
2 Door is at a big disadvantage on these obstacles.
@@OzarkOverlandAdventures blah, maybe if you can’t drive one 😂. Ok, it’s somewhat true, but on black bear, 2 doors all the way 😉
@@coloradomallcrawlers every trail favors a different rig. LOL. Yeah I'll be doing a 6 point turn on Black Bear now. LOL
@@OzarkOverlandAdventures yeah, but all that stuff you can carry 😍. Also, I’m moving permanently to Grand Junction in January, want to help me move lol
The old exit sucks, did it in my JKU once and that was enough for me. When I took my JT out there, we just did the out and back and exited back to the trailhead.
Agreed. But taking the old exit is the only way to get to Escalator.
@@OzarkOverlandAdventures ah that’s a great point! Who took care of your u joint for you after the breakage on the other trail in Moab?
The situation with the 4Runner on Hell's Gate exhibited behavior I've seen in other IFS vehicles with the sway bar removed; primary experience is in a ZR2 group I run with where multiple drivers have done it to (IMO) mixed results. It's why I wouldn't remove it in my own ZR2 without some kind of supporting modification (possibly extended bumpstops?). In an ideal situation it does provide a benefit in articulation but it also seems to me that shifts in weight upset the front to a great degree and you can get hard to control body roll. This is part of why I'm also curious to see how the new Bronco's with disconnecting sway bars behave. I'm just spit balling but I think its not necessarily a net gain in some IFS vehicles.
I think I will add the rear sway bar back and leave the front off for a while and see if that helps. Thanks for the input.
@@robertwicker196 I know this is a late reply, but Tinkerers Adventures strongly recommends leaving the rear in and taking the front out on Toyotas. It stops a lot of tire lifting.
If you chose not to take those hard lines do you think it’s easily possible with a stock Gladiator Rubicon?
Hell's Revenge is great for stock rigs. You'll probably drag or hitch in a couple places but that's just part of owning a Gladiator. LOL
Would you have tried with a stock Rubicon Gladiator?
Most of it, yes. But I would avoid some of the optional lines I took.
I have a stupid question. When the lockers are on in a Rubicon and you are in 4hi or 4low, isn't the transfer case being stressed when you are rolling over dry stones/boulders? I thought this isn't good for the transfer case.
lockers have zero impact on the transfer case. It's the axles that can be impacted by lockers being engaged.
Are those custom leather seats or can you order those from factory?
They are factory. I had never seen them before.
This is making me wish I went with 35's on the ZR2 instead of 33's 😅 not sure how it would do here now!
My wife ran the trail in her Grand Cherokee on 32s, even doing Hell's Gate. She skipped the optional lines of course. You should check out that video.
Some people don’t realize just how steep of a grade that many of these obstacles represent. The camera never seems to capture the severity. I’ve been to Moab & Rubicon many times [Jeep JK & JLU] & not going to lie; some of the steep terrain (where the horizon disappears) still make me nervous. Another great video! 👍🏻
Thanks!!
You ain't kidding. To this day the one that REALLY REALLY scared me was Lion's Back.
Cool where did you stay? Did you camp?
This trip we stayed in a AirBNB since it was stupid hot.
Hey Matt, you and the Gladiator performed well. Can you tell me, what type of tyre you are driving? Brand and Type? I think you had the best tyres out of you guys
Thanks! I'm running 37" Milestar Patagonias. They do very well!!
A M A Z I N G 🥰🥰😍😍🤩🤩
Fantastic trip guys. Sully fought valiantly, and a special award goes to Robert. I do think it would have helped everyone if you guys had handhelds. I know from experience you sometimes can't hear your spotter or are blinded by sun glare etc. And yes, I think the lack of swaybars hindered Robert. However, he may want to run it next time with the sunroof open 13:27 for better aerodynamics lol. 23:53 That's always been the problem from that angle in Mickey's Hot Tub. You're directly facing the sun, which just makes it a nightmare trying to film. 26.31 SEND IT, GO, GUN IT, FLOOR IT, PUNCH IT, STOMP ON IT, SHOOT IT, MOVE YOUR ASS SOLDIER
Yeah I was a bonehead and left my handhelds at home. We did have one that we used on Hells Gate but didn’t use it all the time.
What did you use to attach the patches to your roof panels? Do you have the factory headliners or aftermarket? Great video by the way.
Hey! Thank you! We installed the Hothead Head Liners!
👌👌
What axles are on the Gladiator?
factory D44s
@@OzarkOverlandAdventures awesome. I’m considering getting rid of my 2012 tundra for a gladiator. My wife has a wrangler and we always use it on trips. But I’m wanting something to share the miles with. We pull a off road trailer also. My only concern is how the back is open. We have are kitchen and fridge in the back of the jeep. So I would need either a cover or a camper shell. More weight on a motor that might already be underpowered. Decisions!!!
@@brucestephenson5962 underpowered…. Yeah but not really. A Rubicon is geared so low even with 37s the 79:1 craw ratio is more like 71:1… very low gearing makes it easy for it to crawl about.
I know this isn’t filmed in the Ozarks but we are traveling to Arkansas for a few days and would like your opinion on ticks and if we should take any measures to avoid them? Thanks.
Just use bug spray and do a quick check before going to bed. Ticks are hard to avoid but bug spray helps.
@@OzarkOverlandAdventures thanks a bunch!
I agree on the exit of hells revenge I hate it to.
What gears area n the gladiator?
4.10. I'll be regearing soon.
The group's nickname for the Toyota? Strugglebus.....
I think I can, I think I can , I think I can....nope.....lets pull cable...lol
What kind of gas mileage did you get on your trip?
13ish. Need to regear the gladiator for the 37s so I can get 8th gear back.
Thanks .. I’m planning my gladiator buy/build with 37s and like a lot of what you did with yours! I think it handled Hell’s Revenge very well !
@@OzarkOverlandAdventures so what gear ratio you thinking about
@@cradb1248 probably 5.13 since I have an off road trailer I pull sometimes. If I didn’t have the trailer probably 4.88.
Hog Fish
huh?
Are you at stock height with 35’s?
3" lift and 37s.
Sully did great Is the Rubicon next on the list? Sorry Robert I guess you're thinking about purchasing a gladiator 🤣 Way to go y'all Thank for the entertainment 😁
Rubicon is definitely on the list but that's a really long drive to get there. It will be done one day!!
@@OzarkOverlandAdventures I know I am being nosey. What happened with nathan's zr2? Haven't seen him with you in a while. I hope he's ok
Terry, he’s had some engine issues for awhile he’s getting worked on.
@@frenchie4wd That stinks I hope his truck is up and running soon. Thanks for the reply and update. Have a great weekend
That hair though 😐 do explain please 😭
Life is too short for boring hair!! It's just fun. LOL
That goes to show the 3.6 Penstar engine is more then enough to handle any terrain. Paired up with the right build and no trail is hard.
Great driving, unfortunately the secret to the Gladiator getting through the Escalator is forever lost.
I know!!! I hated that!! Thanks!
I think Roberts gonna be trading that Toyota in for a Jeep after this 😂
Bad idea taking on the obstacles in those vehicles. Gladiator has a very poor break over angle as well. Stick to a nice UTV or Buggy- or simply stay on the main safari route. I ran HR many times...successfully. I don't do obstacles.
Agree to disagree
@@OzarkOverlandAdventures Physics is physics. Your breakover angle is only 20.3. Bigger tires can help. Don't get me wrong, it's a nice and very expensive vehicle but it is certainly no Landcruiser. As they say, *"If you want to get there- take a Jeep. If you want to get back home- take a Landcruiser."* The Gladiator also has a long wheelbase which will afford you a smoother ride at the cost of departure angles. I suggested you stay out of the obstacles because your vehicle is far to expensive to roll it over and damage it...which happens all the time, especially in the hot tub and on H*ll's Gate...which nearly happened. Again, do whatever you want. I'll be the guy at the top of the gate watching you roll- it will happen if you keep it up. I have been going to Moab for many years...but again, it's your cash. If you have an infinite supply, have at it. Gladiator is more at home on fire roads and trails rated 5 or below. 4 or less would be best. H*ll's is rated at a 6...without the obstacles. Again, you are free to push your luck all you want. I am speaking from experience.
@@UTAH100 every trail favors a different rig and wheelbase. There’s no perfect rig. The Gladiator made the harder obstacles on hells revenge a piece of cake.
@@OzarkOverlandAdventures That's cool. I am a little surprised, but it is a fine machine. I was considering one and did a bunch of research on it before deciding on a LC. The LC is great but not perfect either and very expensive. Have fun and stay safe. My suggestion would be to install a very strong roll bar and 6-point harness.
@@UTAH100 LCs are awesome rigs!! Watch more of my videos. I’ve done a pretty good job of showing what a well built Gladiator is capable of. It’s my favorite vehicle ever!!!
spotting was terrible for the toyota
Like a smoker with lung cancer blaming the doctor for doing all they can 💀
I like your content but you need to have better spotters. I cringe when I see technical Obstacles without a good spotter. Lol
That Toyota is leaking oil all over the place. Should have gotten towed out immediately.
Actually it’s not
What’s wrong with your hair?
Did the wind mess it up? I wasn’t aware there was a right and wrong way for hair to be.
What the hell happened to your hair that's all I want to know
😂😂😂
Some people are like " I wouldn't take a 40k+ vehicle on this" ... My response is... why the heck not!!!... don't you want the safest vehicle you can get for this?.... Just saying... I'd feel a lot better in that gladiator than a "Shitbox".
Im only 20 second in and i cant get over the hair.... its very..... distracting? idk
You're too easily distracted. 😂😂 If I'm going to pick between what you like and what my wife likes, my wife will win every time. LOLOL!!