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Lowering springs are an ideal way of lowering your vehicle. And, if done correctly, they can improve your vehicle's aesthetics/handling. However, if you mess with lowering springs, you risk compromising your vehicle’s drivability. So, it’s essential to pick and install appropriate lowering springs. At ModBargains, we are authorized dealers/installers for brands mentioned in this video as well many other brands. Check out our website for more!
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I am in no means a car guy. But I have been getting the itch to just start doing things to my 2020 Camry. Wanting to lower it is definitely something on the top of my list. And this video does a great job of not just letting me know what brand springs are good to go with. But also, it introduced and educated me on other methods like the Coil Over you mentioned and type of progressive springs. Thanks!
Another informative video! Always important to fill in the gap 😄
I doubt betwen them and NOW for sure go for H&R.Many THAnK!!!!
I'm so glad I came across your channel Ron. Lots of great and helpful content that'll help me to decide what upgrades to do to my S5 after getting the AWE exhaust installed at ModBargains last week!
Welcome aboard!
Thank you so much! Great video!
Great explanation, thank you.
Last car I lowered was a 1983 280zx. Fun story, I actually bought lowering springs but they were super soft like when guys used to heat their springs so rather than dealing with it as-is or switching to coilovers I decided to chop 1 coil off the oem front springs and 2 coils off the rear. Specifically the coils that were more tightly wound cuz they're the part of the spring thats there for ride comfort. That dropped height by right about 2-inches, maybe a little less, then I paired those questionable bastards with Koni yellows front and back. At 1st I was skeptical but after the 1st 2K miles had gone by without any issues I got the car aligned and it was an awesome daily driver. The only reason I stopped driving it was due to my mother-in-law backing a tow ball into the drivers door frame so hard that the unibody buckled
First of all - Great video! And I have a question... I have BMW F10 530d xDrive and I wanted to lower it. But because of the fact that 30mm wasn't enough for me, there wasn't really much of a options for me. I was forced to choose between coilovers from KW (v3) with the price above 2k, or making some "custom" option with new shock absorbers and lowering springs. After hard time researching I choose BILSTEIN B6 pared with adjustable H&R coil springs (40-55mm / 30-50mm). So what do you think about this option? I didn't found someone with exact same combination for experience to be honest.
Last week I lowered my vw golf 7 estate with eibach pro-kit springs. I really love the outcome. Would definitely recommend these springs. My car sits 30mm lower and the difference is night and day!
Got told that a 40 mm drop was possible. Is this true? Kinda dissapointed with the outcome of Eibach in this video
@@lfcbb0422 should be very possible, that would be the sport kit right?
How's the ride quality?
very informative!
Really good explanation of the difference between Eibach and H&R. Nice... 🙂
I would like to ask everyone, after replacing the short slingshot, has there been any oil leakage in the CV Axles?
Which would you recommend for a Golf GTE Mk7? Stock are really high, really want to make it lower but i hear H&R is a tough ride in the city with an Hybrid Golf GTE.
glad i came across this video. still wondering why some springs come in a hour glass shape where the spring is wider at the end and slim in the middle
i think that you are referring progressive rate springs. google same for info.
More truth about Struts/Shocks with Springs vs Coilovers is that Coilovers are for track cars. If it's a daily hoon mobile, coilovers will surely make for an uncomfortable drive. Drivers will spend more time clicking the dampening force than they do staying off their phones when driving.
What woud you recommend for a GLI Autobahn 2023? I am wondering if I should go with H&R sport springs.
Thank for the video..I have a 2015 Toyota Venza can you help me out what kind of spring and shocks I need..
So I have a 2017 Ford Focus. I went right to coil overs for it expecting a change but not as much as what happened. Now I am here thinking abought lowering springs. However not entirely sure if I should even try this out or if I should go back to just OEM spring to try to get the ride back. I now relies that the coil overs are probably good if I was tracking the car but this is a daily drive. I was going to get some H&R but the Eibach name is a good one to learn about too! Any input would really help, thanks.
Is it worth it for altima 23' ?
Hey mate I currently have an Audi s3 2022 , and wanted to know your experience/thoughts on racingline lowering springs ..I’ve heard great feedback from my local euro mechanic , progressive and a 20mm drop , should I consider Eibach instead? This is my daily with the occasional track day
I know this vid is a little older but what do you think about truhart springs? Specifically on an 01 civic?
I think the key take away is or should be don't buy lowering springs an put them on you stock shocks/struts they're valved wrong and too long. The flip side for those of us that want to set and forget or are not into corner weighting etc. is there are shock and struts that are made for lowering coils and are valved for them like the Bilstein B8's. I like everthing about coil overs except the annual or biannual maintenance of unlocking, greasing, re-locking, and re-adjustment they need. You obviously don't need all that if it's a track car and you might get away with less maintenance if you live in the dry but for the rest of us the performance delta just isn't there for the additional work in a street car.
There are some brands that say they do build their spring rates around the valving of the stock shocks. MSS for example claims to do so, I've asked them to release the shock dyno information but they all act like it's top secret. So most of the time we have to take them at their word.
It's amazing to see how realible H&R truly are, I'd also like to shout out to 034 they make some great springs for German cars , similar price point as well .
completely agree
Almost ALL coil springs last forever unless they're constantly exposed to salt water.
Thank you ron for that video. I have a 2013 lexus is 250 rwd. Is the h&r sports spring is better than swift spring? Its my daily driving car. Thank you for the responce
leave i stock......bank the money
A little off video topic, but, my car has 2 piece brake rotors. When it's time to replace them, where can I find just the outer ring? Everywhere I've looked just offers both pieces or a one piece. Also, could you do a video comparing the pros and cons of the different rotor styles
I will try to put that on the schedule to work on it J . Not sure the brand, but check out racing brake he sells a lot of the components for 2pc rotors.
I have a 2023 Acura TLX Type S. What spring would you recommend? I’ve seen some use Swift, some use Tein, some use Eibach. Thanks!
Honestly if you want to keep the comfort of your car go eibach. I have eibach pro kit in my 2021 Lexus IS 350 and love it. It really comes down to what you want. I wanted a decent drop while still being able to have that comfort as it’s my daily driver.
I have a 2015 Mustang GT PP/50 Year Anniversary with 85k miles on it now. I would like to lower it. Any reccomendations? Would it be too late with the high mileage? I don't race it or drive like a madman. Its my daily driver though.
Okay but now what about after market shocks to go with. Recommendations???
website doesn't have the 23 integra
Quick question: Im interested in an H&R Sport kit, are they stiffer than the stock springs?
Yes.
For my car, the eibach sportlines have a bigger drop than the H&R sport. It’s like a 1.6 inch in the front and 1.4 inch in the back while the H&R is 1 inch. It says it’s designed for the stock shocks but i’m just still wondering if it will cause extra wear on them.
your shocks will be fine.
Interesting video, thank you. Difficult subject as you can’t really answer this car as a blanket question as there are so many variables. Some cars are crying out for lowering springs, a prime example would be my mk3 MR2, softly sprung and rides high as standard so responded well to Tein lowering springs & new OE shocks. I actually think it improved ride as well the handling, rear shocks were a bit soft as original items! This was a successful swap. Some 30 years ago I had a 4 pot E21 BMW that was so much better after being lowered with a Jamex suspension kit but that was so high on standard springs. However, I have been less successful with other cars in the past & ruined the ride & handling 😂.
Hmm interesting experience you've had, but for the most part it helped. I think one of the things we see with more modern cars is that perhaps there has been a rush to produce and less engineering on factoring what the shock should be set at by the shock dyno (the engineering to make it isn't hard, it comes down to how far these manufactures approach it). I've had good experiences and bad experiences as well, from companies that rush products that are harsh and don't work well with the shock (I really hates the H&R springs on the E92 m3 for example, made the car very stiff, and hard to control) to companies like recently MSS to name one that really made the car feel way better, so I chalk it up to time spent by engineering and care.
MK8 Golf R, have been going back and forth between H&R and Eibach. Would love to keep a stock feel, really only need an inch drop. Recommendation, anything else I should look out for?
Eibach will keep that comfortability because it is designed for your shocks well also giving you a mild drop about an inch or so. H&R will give you bigger drop, stiffer suspension but it is not necessarily designed for your shocks.
@@talkingmods wonderful, appreciate the help!
A lot of Golf 8 R owners I know have the H&R Springs. They are happy 👍
I have magna ride on my rousch mustang. Do u have a suggestion for lowering springs while keeping the performance pack on it?
Hi JS, sorry for my little late response. So I like Eibach on it, but also we've installed Steeda and they've been really good and popular as well for lowering springs. Eibach was not as agressive but far more comfortable.
Thank you very much for your time sir
last week i just lowered my 2012 civic sedan ex-l on eibach sportlines with 1.7 inch drop in the front, and 1.2 inch drop in the rear with skunk 2 sport shocks... i had just over a 3 finger gap in the wheel wells and was only looking to lose like an inch of that to keep ride comfort so i went with the sportlines as out of the teins h&rs and skunk 2s i was looking at they seemed to have the most minimal drop with the internet reporting the most comfort out of the others... for whatever reason my suspension looks absolutely slammed now and my rear camber is meh and while it looks cool im feeling every imperfection in the road at highway speeds.... I also got an alignment and now im pushing my steering wheel to the right to stay straight and that wasnt a problem before the alignment but after the install......theres certain sections of the road like when theres a bump or a concrete patch every 5 to 10 feet that makes me feel like the tires are coming off the ground to go over those bumps but for the most part the car feels like it handles alot better than the completely gone suspension i just replaced.....even if i do have both front wheels scraping on the fender liners sometimes. and its still kind of comfortable and not jarring.. my question is this if i was expecting a 1.7 inch drop in the front and 1.2 inch drop in the rear going for oem+ and ended up with hotboy stance did i do something wrong with my install or is there something i can do to correct it? the car is sitting level with all 4 fenders being the same distance from the tire..... or is the shocks not allowing the springs to do thier job or vice versa? i have a 1 finger gap in the wheel wells and my progressive springs in the rear look like the tighter wound part of the spring is 1 mm from binding when the car is stopped me think i have about 3-4 inches of actual shock travel from the looser wound part of the spring.... i guess its important to say the front is macpherson, and the rear is divorced... also of note i was thinking of buying 1/8th mm rubber pads at home depot to cut to shape and use on the spring isolators between the body and the isolator to maybee give me an extra 1/4 of an inch total in the rear but i have no idea what to do about the front as the springs pretty much locked themselves into where they want to sit in the bottom perch... and i know thats not much of an increase but id rather the stance of the car be a little raked than ridin on the bumpstops all thew time if thats even happening i had a 500 mile round trip journey yesterday down rt 80 and 99 and 22 in PA and there was only 2 really scary parts where i felt like i should probably slow down from 75 to speedlimit
Aren't Sportlines more for track use? I would not drop my car that low for street use.
@@davepaturno4290 "track inspired" but the pro kit wasnt available for my model and after another 524 mile drive today with no winds influencing my car, i can say the spring shock combo feels like OEM+++, i dont feel like im on the ground when im driving, they dont feel too stiff, bumpy or bouncy i feel more of the road but its not obnoxious, it feels connected to the road like its on rails, it doesnt dip or dive or squat on braking or accelerations and they feel really stable all the way up to 82mph even over rapid bumps where the last set of coilovers i had on previous cars would have felt like they were skipping.... i feel like it could benefit from an upper strut tower bar for enhanced cornering and making sure it stays flat in the front but it isnt needed for daily driving or grocery getting.....im actually impressed by the setup and how well it works but i have 1 issue i scraped twice today over two bridge transitions.... my inner fender plastic on the front left is warped a little and hangs about 2 millimeters below the wheel well the other side doesnt and it doesnt scrap on the other side and it hits for a half sec just barely so i gotta look into that but i still want to find a way to raise the car some becuase i only expected to have like 1 1/4 inch gap and i have about half of that
i think my opinion of them changed alot between driving in high winds 3 days ago and not having to deal with that today and having them break in some and not struggling with them today .... the ride was really enjoyable and i spent the day waiting for the next corner to see what it would do and it didnt let me down or scare me once
surprised D2 wasnt mentioned at all
Do you have to replace with new bolts/nuts when changing the springs?
You shouldn't need to at all. Unless the car is pretty old or in conditions that have made things rust (so snow conditions) but normally you do not need to change them.
I'm looking at getting eibach for my car, what are your thoughts about getting lowering springs on a car with electronic dampers? Still 50/50 about it
GR Supra owners buy them all the time.
I have had both Eibach Pro Kit and H&R Sport. H&R Sport is the best handling spring, makes the car very agile. Feels like you have a sports car. Eibach Pro Kit is more for everyday use, it detaches from the handling experience the H&R offers.
To add to this, the H&R is a more robust and better made spring. Handles weight better.Quality is the best. Eibach looks like a factory spring and quality is not as good as the H&R. Very Soft feeling and thin spring.
I’m glad I went with h&r, I’ve been going around to differentiate eibach pro and h&r. This comment just made me happy with my choice of purchase!
Thanks for sharing!
ah we can't say they are better made... both are TUV approved have different engineering philosophy which I covered, it comes down the rates/heights and what you like on your vehicle and how it feels. As I described in the video. Stiffer doesn't necessarily mean better. Check our my video here: kzhead.info/sun/aLGclNF7sKqwdp8/bejne.html
@@talkingmods The way the H&R springs is packaged compared to Eibach. It is like unboxing between iPhone and Android. iPhone being the H&R. The Quality is a another level up. On the Eibach spring the printing was abit smudged on the spring. Sure thing stiffer is not always better but I found the Eibach to bottom out much easier on bumps then the H&R did. Both Great products, I just feel H&R is better. Can you do a video on Bilstein and Koni?
I just purchased H&R lowering springs for my 2017 Volvo S60... should i be looking for new shocks/struts to pair with the springs or is it fine to use the stock ones? the car has around 52k miles and I assume the shocks/struts havent been replaced since the car was new
Typical life for chocks is around factory shocks is 70-80K on average, so you have life on those shocks, and if they are brand new I would utilize the new shocks you have. But if they aren't new, then to save time on the install I'd consider going with a more heavy duty type of shocks that will last you a lot longer. Hope that helps, and congrats!
@@talkingmods I appreciate the advice and agree it would probably be better to replace the shocks as a preventative measure. Do I just look for any aftermarket ones that fit or a certain type/brand (not looking to spend and arm and a leg)
@@adamhussein9404 One thing to consider which wasn't mentioned in the video, is that your shock has been working in the same range on the piston shaft for 50K miles. When you lower the vehicle, you are changing the position of the piston shaft which has never touched an oil seal in the shock. If there is any corrosion, or damage on the new working portion of the piston shaft, it can catch a seal and create a leak, compromising the shock. This supports the decision to update shocks at the same time if you can afford to do so.
What do you recommend for a bimmer with adaptive M Suspenion?
Well all springs work in tandem with adaptive M suspension, a lot of people go with the HAS (Height adjustable system, companies like KW, H&R, and MSS make) system for the adjustability so they can keep the adaptive system so that I would say is the top recommendation
What is best for a 2005 ford mustang daily driver? Everything is stock and im look ing to change my suspension as my fist mod
Daily driver, at that age point, I would look towards a good set of coilovers depending on budget, since it's a daily driver my top concern would be comfort (and that may have to be through adjustability). Feel free to reach out to me through sales@ModBargains.com happy to help.
@@talkingmods ok thank you. I'm not really sure which coilovers to get I'm trying to stay around 1.5k as the budget.
Since the time I filmed this prices have moved up a bit with some brands, kzhead.info/sun/rc2mpc2FhX6uoH0/bejne.html I would look at the following kind of my order of things, BC, ST and look at Steeda as well for the Mustang
Which springs is the softest one for lowering the car about 3 cm
You know how small 3 CM is 😂😂
@@MFU4WEEZ 1.181102 inches?
Can i get a lowering spring to not hurt quality of my ride and not shorten life of shocks?
General answer it depends on how agressive the spring is, brands like Eibach which focus more on the comfort side also are said to not shorten the life as much. There is always a give or take unfortunately.
Is it safe to put h&r springs on a stock set up. I hear it can wear out parts quicker.. I Got a 2022 jetta sport
The cars only got 9k on the dash
YEs it will put more stress on the stock shocks, decreasing the life of the shock. Why properly valved shocks like from a coilover are the way to go. Really depends though on how long you want to have it lowered and whats more important right. If it's a lease then you won't have the vehicle forever and the car would be turned in right
I got HR springs for my honda accord 2017 and i also bought truhart struts for it. I bought all the pieces in between and the mounts and all that. For some reason the the strut surpasses the springs and theres a huge gap everytime i hit a bump. Am i doing something wrong?? Please help
I can't speak for Truhart (honestly haven't used them) are we sure they are the right shock first off, second, installation installed correctly? With the lowering did you get a new bump stop that adjusts for the lowered height (often a forgotten thing) if you don't want to get a new bump stop you can cut your original bump stops to make the adjustments.
@@talkingmods hey, yea man i bought every single thing needed. But truhart sending me washers to put up top, wouldnt take take away from the ride quality?
Don't believe that should affect the ride quality. Did they explain as to why?
So what brand of lowering springs you recommend me for 1997 Nissan maxima sir ?
none
@@robertfonovic3551 why bro??
Which springs would best suit my 2023 Subaru Impreza ?
WRX shocks and springs......unless you want it low
Are tein springs good? I imagine they are but are there differences in models like the ones you described for track or for road use? Thank you
Personally have had some not so great experiences, and same with feedback on their springs. The stuff they make towards their higher end offerings are usually for some reason a lot better then what we see on the consumer level though. Again this is based off personal experience.
Hi, what brand of springs do you recommend for my 2022 Camry xse?
Hi Alex, I like eibach a lot for the camry. you are welcome to give us a call at ModBargains.com 714.582.3330 as well
For the Eibach Pro Kit for the camry (2020). Is the spring alone works find or i do need to get some sort of camber kits for my car? Also any recommendations on struts/shocks to replace the oem? Thanks
personally im going with D2 2" lowering springs for my 2020 camry se here soon they are direct replacements and dont require any other modifications
Wish you mentioned swift springs
I did 10:26, Swit Linear springs :) I can't foget about them
@@talkingmods my apologies 🙏🏽
Coilovers don't provide a "better" ride - they only provide "adjustability. McPherson Front Set-ups with Multi-Link rear can use lowering springs with improved struts/shocks designed for lower ride height and perform the same way. What about the camber changes in the other suspension components when lowering? If someone is going for looks, then by all means go for the biggest breasted blonde at the bar and you'll be fine for life.
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Many many thanks
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Another amateur video comparing coil overs to Lowering springs. Ha-ja. Vogtland, sux do not buy, do not. They will settle bad close to 1 year (warranty) you will just replace them later. H&R ok. Are you gonna explain how to know if you have to replace stock shocks with Lowering springs? of course not you don't know the answer. KW is "bug bucks" for coil overs, avoid. Nobody sells Linear springs except rip off artist 🙄 Honestly, get some help. So, can you keep your stock shocks with Lowering springs (coils)? Should you? Depends, if you are installing Lowering springs with a mild drop, yes about 30 - 35 MM max with stock shocks, so 1" to 1-1/4" at the most cause you installed a mild springs don't need dampening adjustment so no sport shock req'd. Unless you don't mind spending money :-). One more thing; this guy didn't mention either. You start dropping your ride more than 1-1/4" or 35 MM, get ready to spend "beaucoup" $$$$ cause you drop yo' ride a lot, now your replacing Sway bar links, tie-rods, bushings, frame piece in the way, cant get your oil pan off, etc. have fun. Oh, good coil overs for not a lot? Of course but this video won't help you.