Gilboa Snake: Is the Double-AR Really so Dumb?

2024 ж. 25 Мам.
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The Gilboa Snake is an Israeli rifle (from the same designer behind the Cornershot) that essentially combines two standard ARs into a single unit. In its civilian configuration it has two of every part - barrels, bolts (mirrored, so one ejects left and the other right), triggers, buffers, etc. In its military setup, the triggers and recoil system are combined into single units, and this makes the gun arguably practical. With a single trigger, a person fires two rounds simultaneously, resulting in either two simultaneous hits at close range, or the potential for one hit at longer range instead of what might be a miss with a regular rifle. This is a concept that has been experimented with by pretty much all major militaries over the past decades; the Russians, French, and Americans all had rifles like this. Other approaches to the end result included duplex and triplex ammunition (multiple bullets in one case) and hyper-burst firing mechanisms (like the Russian AN-94 and German G11). Ultimately all of the different systems were deemed poor compromises compared to normal rifles, but it's not as bizarre of an idea as it might first appear.
Unfortunately, the civilian Snake has to have two separate triggers to avoid machine gun classification in the US. It's difficult to fire both triggers simultaneously, and this limits the practical military applications of the gun.
Oh, and don't miss the unique elements in the Snake to allow for the barrels to be zeroed before mounting sights!
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  • I'm sorry, Tri-Barrel FAMAS? You can't just drop that and a bad picture on us and expect us to not wanna know more.

    @Ramonatho@Ramonatho2 ай бұрын
    • You never heard of it? I thought it was famas.

      @ironpirate8@ironpirate82 ай бұрын
    • I assume Ian has a burning desire to get his hands on one even more than we want to see it.

      @Primarch359@Primarch3592 ай бұрын
    • _Single pull, triple shot_ "hon hon hon in your face mon ami!"

      @pbs1516@pbs15162 ай бұрын
    • ​@@pbs1516fun fact the rifle report actually sounds like "Hon" this is due to the baguettes used during construction

      @Dunkopf@Dunkopf2 ай бұрын
    • IKR I need to know how the bullets eject.

      @giantent763@giantent7632 ай бұрын
  • Ah yes, the gun that solves the problem of ejecting spent casings in left-handed people's face by ejecting spent casings in everyone's face.

    @petersmythe6462@petersmythe64622 ай бұрын
    • lol

      @Frank-yb2hw@Frank-yb2hw2 ай бұрын
    • 😃

      @mneofthestate3515@mneofthestate35152 ай бұрын
    • ...and doubling feed issues.

      @kentlindal5422@kentlindal54222 ай бұрын
    • I think that would mostly only apply if it was a bullpup, but yeah ur gonna hit *someone* with those casings

      @lambsauce5312@lambsauce53122 ай бұрын
    • Modern problems require modern solutions.

      @TheVillainInGlasses@TheVillainInGlasses2 ай бұрын
  • Military version: interesting advancements in mechanical design Civilian version: two AR’s duct-taped together.

    @Vikingwerk@Vikingwerk2 ай бұрын
    • ATF: "Yeah I'm banning both"

      @zachdugan7320@zachdugan73202 ай бұрын
    • fitting because some duct tape and a popsicle stick would absolutely solve the two-trigger problem 100%!

      @thecraftmasque@thecraftmasque2 ай бұрын
    • @@MegaZeta It's probably based and doublepilled

      @jumpergamer1913@jumpergamer1913Ай бұрын
    • …aaaannd the civillian version is cheaper, easier to maintain, and more reliable.

      @sheepmasterrace@sheepmasterraceАй бұрын
    • A "military version" is more than often usually the cheapest one rather than the most advanced one.

      @PlatinumNath@PlatinumNathАй бұрын
  • "Yo dawg, I heard you like ARs15. So we put an AR15 in your AR15!"

    @raijinmeister@raijinmeister2 ай бұрын
    • Ah, Classic Meme, *sips appreciatiably*

      @Melody_Raventress@Melody_Raventress2 ай бұрын
    • behold: ar30

      @Eradicator_MkIV@Eradicator_MkIVАй бұрын
    • @@Eradicator_MkIV matter of fact, armalite (modern day armalite, not the one from the 60s) made a bolt action with that name

      @urielpuertas9899@urielpuertas9899Ай бұрын
  • AR-15 + AR-15 = AARR-30

    @dacarrico@dacarrico2 ай бұрын
    • Surprised that pirates didn’t buy a lot of AARR-30s.

      @NotALot-xm6gz@NotALot-xm6gz2 ай бұрын
    • A2R2-30

      @IamOutOfNames@IamOutOfNames2 ай бұрын
    • @@IamOutOfNames Even better

      @dacarrico@dacarrico2 ай бұрын
    • Did the maths, this checks out

      @afmo500@afmo5002 ай бұрын
    • AARP?

      @BrotatoWedges@BrotatoWedges2 ай бұрын
  • I am surprised that Ian actually managed to say "tri-barrelled FAMAS" without breaking into uncontrolled salivation.

    @jeremywilliams5107@jeremywilliams51072 ай бұрын
    • Or giggle.

      @steveh1792@steveh17922 ай бұрын
    • There's no proof he didn't in another take though. Or even many takes, but this is the one where he didn't. Visibly. 🤣

      @DrBunnyMedicinal@DrBunnyMedicinal2 ай бұрын
    • He is fortunately not the Homer Simpson of guns.

      @Gary_Hun@Gary_Hun2 ай бұрын
    • He's gun jesus, he could just turn 3 baguettes and 2 french fries into any gun he want.

      @babablacksheep3950@babablacksheep39502 ай бұрын
    • I read "salvation" and was disappointed when it wasn't the case

      @releknatroj5174@releknatroj51742 ай бұрын
  • The "military version" of the Gilboa Snake started out as a technology demonstrator. It was intended to show off the performance of their proprietary recoil system and their engineering capabilities. They showed it off and discovered there was a market for it

    @gideonschlen4022@gideonschlen40222 ай бұрын
    • Full gauge double feed auto lock. I call it Vera.

      @deker0954@deker095421 күн бұрын
  • As a mechanic working in rustlandia i am amazed when gun youtubers remove frickin m5 screws easily and without snapping them, and all the parts slid past each other without seizing.

    @c63amgblack@c63amgblack2 ай бұрын
    • Ian looked at a lot of historical guns in the past, I assume not breaking anything was always quite high on his priority list when dissassembling guns.

      @termitreter6545@termitreter65452 ай бұрын
    • ​@@termitreter6545 I think the joke went over your head.

      @leeham6230@leeham62302 ай бұрын
    • ​@@termitreter6545Woosh... 🙄

      @Cooe.@Cooe.13 күн бұрын
  • 2-gun match with it and the *double-barrelled 1911* when? 😁

    @konstantin.v@konstantin.v2 ай бұрын
    • This would be great 😂

      @johnto744@johnto7442 ай бұрын
    • You four gun match...

      @harveynailbanger@harveynailbanger2 ай бұрын
    • @@harveynailbanger , 😂

      @konstantin.v@konstantin.v2 ай бұрын
    • Is there a holster for that 1911? Would be so funny looking!

      @KenneMCL@KenneMCL2 ай бұрын
    • Dystopian future where you need two simultaneous bullets to incapacitated a Sci-fi soldier.

      @ZiechieZeechless@ZiechieZeechless2 ай бұрын
  • Haha that's so silly the civilian market is so wacky... >"this is a civilian version, different from the military pattern..." WHAT

    @gz7006@gz70062 ай бұрын
    • It’s noticeably more different than the average military→civilian market change though. For most ARs that have both, the difference is essentially the trigger group not having any auto/burst options. Everything else is more or less identical. This has a completely different gas system, stock, ergonomics etc.

      @randombloke82@randombloke822 ай бұрын
    • 2 triggers for the civilian. Military has just one. Semi auto firing 2 firearms in 1 would be a 2 round burst. So it has to have independent triggers.

      @crawdadlando4053@crawdadlando40532 ай бұрын
    • I wonder what happens when the mil version has a failure to extract

      @tuukka518@tuukka5182 ай бұрын
    • @@randombloke82 I as a european thought, that only the burst/auto fire is removed in such case. Why do they change any other part? Maybe some materials are not as durable in the civilian version? Can you guys help me in this in a short answer?

      @akusav333@akusav3332 ай бұрын
    • ​@@akusav333Ian literally explained the reasons for the multiple changes on this gun in the video...

      @leonardusrakapradayan2253@leonardusrakapradayan22532 ай бұрын
  • Alright, look here, Ian. You are now obligated to do whatever it takes to get your hands on that tri-barrel FAMAS. If sacrifices are to be made, understand that they are necessary.

    @austinrogers5607@austinrogers56072 ай бұрын
  • Cornershot is one of the guns I'd been hoping to see Ian review for a while. But this also was a really cool episode

    @andrewdamore2571@andrewdamore25712 ай бұрын
    • It was a great sequence in Wanted when the corner shot came out.

      @shawn6860@shawn68602 ай бұрын
    • Kitty Cornershot it the best Cornershot. It is a Cornershot that comes with a specially crafted plush cat to conceal the end of the barrel.

      @1978garfield@1978garfield2 ай бұрын
  • Tri-Barrelled FAMAS? Wow, that breezed by way too quickly, 1980's sci-fi action movie armourers would have killed for one of those to put in Robocop 27 or whatever

    @FabianMacGintyONeill@FabianMacGintyONeill2 ай бұрын
    • Look up the TKB-059

      @jackmcslay@jackmcslay2 ай бұрын
    • ​@@jackmcslay Korobov was the greatest madman ever

      @TheGrinXpedia@TheGrinXpedia2 ай бұрын
    • Triple barreled FAMAS, or "How to deplete the unit's supply of 5.56mm in one day"

      @PhoenixOfArcadia@PhoenixOfArcadia2 ай бұрын
    • @@PhoenixOfArcadia And the enemy of every last liter of blood. 😆

      @Phearsum@Phearsum2 ай бұрын
    • Didn't Duke Nukem have something similar?

      @hemidas@hemidas2 ай бұрын
  • I love it when youtubers do the ad in a different place/different shirt or something so you know where to skip to by hovering over the progress bar. I appreciate you Ian

    @Scroolewse@Scroolewse2 ай бұрын
    • If it bothers you so much you are on the wrong platform

      @SixTough@SixTough2 ай бұрын
    • @@SixTough They don't bother me, I never said they did. I have no problem with youtubers having sponsors because I can just skip the sponsor read. And it's nice when they make it easy for you.

      @Scroolewse@Scroolewse2 ай бұрын
    • SponsorBlock even automates the process. Well, once someone else has marked it out, at least.

      @OOZ662@OOZ6622 ай бұрын
    • What you just said is like thanking a street musician for putting out a donation cup, and, after the performance is over, donate nothing while walking away with a dollar in your hand…

      @Typhoonbladefist@TyphoonbladefistАй бұрын
    • @@Typhoonbladefist You think I'm stealing money from him by not watching the sponsor section?

      @Scroolewse@ScroolewseАй бұрын
  • The civilian version is cool because it can operate 2 different types of bullets without the need to change the magazine

    @marioalessandrini8271@marioalessandrini82712 ай бұрын
    • Oh yes the ancient quadruple feed mechanism

      @pedro.alcatra@pedro.alcatra2 ай бұрын
  • If you use really shitty ammo you could technically get a quad feed 😂😂😂

    @brianahern100@brianahern1002 ай бұрын
    • Ah yes, the Elbonian approach to hyperbursting.

      @no1DdC@no1DdC2 ай бұрын
    • *MLG jam clearing*

      @theviolence2732@theviolence27322 ай бұрын
    • ​@@no1DdC Elbonian Hyperburst is actually my new band name.

      @MadComputerScientist@MadComputerScientist2 ай бұрын
  • Kel-Tec must dream of getting this designer on their team.

    @user-or1rt6ry7e@user-or1rt6ry7e2 ай бұрын
    • Me an Israeli: South Africa is more known for wacky designs. Me after reading the above: Yeah, Keltec will give everyone a run for their money!!

      @AntonAdelson@AntonAdelson2 ай бұрын
    • ​@@AntonAdelson Kel-Tech is Florida Men making guns

      @EnderPearlRs@EnderPearlRs2 ай бұрын
    • @@EnderPearlRs yeah i was quite surprised when i found out kel-tec operates out of my home state, what wacky firearms...

      @spacecatsftw@spacecatsftw2 ай бұрын
    • @@spacecatsftw Fellow Florida Man👊

      @EnderPearlRs@EnderPearlRs2 ай бұрын
    • @@EnderPearlRs florida woman but yeah

      @spacecatsftw@spacecatsftw2 ай бұрын
  • I would have thought the G11 was the best known firearm that allowed multiple rounds to fire before the recoil kicked in, with it's 3 round burst function. I know it wasn't fielded, but it's a weapon that was shown in various movies and because of it's use of an unusual front loading, 50 round magazine that used caseless ammunition; is often brought up in conversations about interesting firearms. It's also the only firearm that is loaded by winding it like a jewellery box, that has a spinning ballerina...

    @GRIZZLYSGEAR@GRIZZLYSGEAR2 ай бұрын
    • Youre not wrong. I think, if i may offer my theory, is that the G-11's triple shot feature is overshadowed by its other novel attributes like its look, clockwork action, and caseless ammunition. I often forget that it even has a burst fire mode. Meanwhile, the AN94 is famous for its ability to give a two shot burst before the recoil has kicked in too much

      @beezzarro@beezzarro28 күн бұрын
  • Regarding why it has two buffer tubes and two gas blocks: I believe the true reason is entirely because it has two triggers. If it had one gas and recoil system then both bolts would always reciprocate at the same time. Meaning if one of two triggers is pulled, only one round would go off and eject an empty casing, while a live round is ejected out the other side. I cound also see it benefiting as a sort of safety system for the two triggers so if you tried to pull both triggers at once, and are off by fraction of a second, there isn't a risk of out of battery from the second hammer dropping while the action is in motion.

    @honestsoul7575@honestsoul75752 ай бұрын
  • Standard issue for all GDI Mammoth Tank crewmen

    @Axt3r@Axt3r2 ай бұрын
    • The Soviets did it first for their Heavy Tank crewman. It was just two AK74U's welded together, but it was cheap

      @AfroMan187@AfroMan1872 ай бұрын
  • Someone _finally_ makes a nice left-handed AR :-D ...and it's got a bastard conjoined RH twin :-/

    @TristanMorrow@TristanMorrow2 ай бұрын
    • There have been left-handed ARs for decades! Stag Arms made them starting in the 2000s

      @11aaguilar@11aaguilar2 ай бұрын
    • Just don’t be wrong handed

      @aazelion5189@aazelion51892 ай бұрын
    • @@11aaguilar They still do, last I checked.

      @Rb889@Rb8892 ай бұрын
    • True ambi

      @why6212@why62122 ай бұрын
    • Looks like you're stuck playing Counter Strike my friend. That or what 11aaguilar said. :-P

      @CNe7532294@CNe75322942 ай бұрын
  • Gonna run this as my primary and start saving up for a AF2011A1 for my sidearm

    @TZmayo@TZmayo2 ай бұрын
  • What seems absolutely absurd, is that they could have easily have manufactured simply custom triggers to have the two triggers jog closer together, either towards the center, or simply jog the left trigger to be right beside the right trigger. Yes, you'd likely want to incorporate some sort of bearing to keep the off-axis forces on the trigger from impeding trigger function substantially, but that's what this rifle "needs". And simply making unique offset triggers (and I mean just the trigger itself, not the trigger assembly) seems like something easy to spin up locally here in the US to avoid compliance issues... And as said before, technically they could simply manufacture new/custom "left triggers" and leave the right trigger completely stock. Seems like there's a large opportunity for the aftermarket, and I'd think anyone dropping $2,200+ on an AR wouldn't mind spending another $100-200 (grossly overpriced, massive profits, like what you'd need to justify a low volume item like this) to make the trigger system more logical.

    @MatthewCochrane9622@MatthewCochrane96222 ай бұрын
  • There is some part of me that wants to say that this is silly, then there's another part that says "this weighs 5.6lbs less than an m249 and the replacement barrel is already attached.

    @RandarTheBarbarian@RandarTheBarbarian2 ай бұрын
    • Very much this. And it gives you mag interchangeability with the squad, a common manual of arms between rifles and LMGs and also some parts commonality and quicker reload while sacrificing only some capacity (60 vs 100). Makes one wonder why the actual fuck it isn't the common practice instead of being anexotica.

      @BluntEversmoke@BluntEversmoke2 ай бұрын
    • @@BluntEversmoke Don't even have to lose the capacity, 50 round mags exist, they're issued their own belts now, it would be perfectly doable to issue larger mags. The M249 does have a magwell to take standard mags if necessary though so the mag interchangeability is already there. The issue would be sustain, since both barrels shoot at the same time, and I assume the fire rate is roughly similar to an M4 (but firing 2 rounds per cycle), so you'd run them dry twice as often, and not actually get the benefit of less barrel wear. You'd have to reduce the fire rate somehow to half and make them fire staggered. In order to do that it would increase the weight from the single piston military pattern somewhat since a second piston would be necessary, but that wouldn't weigh 5 pounds. But at least in that pattern if you were trying to sustain you wouldn't have to be concerned about the gas tube. The idea has potential, I could definitely see it with some tweaks.

      @RandarTheBarbarian@RandarTheBarbarian2 ай бұрын
    • ​@@RandarTheBarbarian A lot of those multi-barreled AA guns seem to fire staggered, don't they?

      @Appletank8@Appletank82 ай бұрын
    • @@Appletank8 I believe so, I'm not saying it's impossible, I'm saying it seems very doable for the snake to be a lighter squad automatic. I just say "somehow" because I don't know enough about the mechanics of doing that.

      @RandarTheBarbarian@RandarTheBarbarian2 ай бұрын
    • @@BluntEversmokeBecause you get all that just by having a SAW based on your service rifle that only has one barrel too, and then you don’t have to make your soldiers have to basically lug around 2 rifles for the capability of one.

      @jonathanpfeffer3716@jonathanpfeffer37162 ай бұрын
  • what it really needs is a massive, counter rotating dual feed drum thing.

    @bennyb.1742@bennyb.17422 ай бұрын
    • A pair of mirrored snail drums

      @RandarTheBarbarian@RandarTheBarbarian2 ай бұрын
    • A pair of Beta C-mags?

      @Skorpychan@Skorpychan2 ай бұрын
    • Glad i'm not the only one who thought abot this

      @gabrielsantosbastos5257@gabrielsantosbastos52572 ай бұрын
    • What about binoculars as an optic? You could zero each eye to each barrel. :D

      @BleedingUranium@BleedingUranium2 ай бұрын
    • @@SkorpychanOr surefire mags?

      @pricelessppp@pricelessppp2 ай бұрын
  • really glad somebody finally went over the function of this thing, its been basically just shooting videos until now.

    @HPS47Nicky@HPS47Nicky2 ай бұрын
  • I think one missed opportunity here is they could have had custom triggers that bend sideways and meet in the middle. That way it's still technically two triggers but you can much more easily pull them at once.

    @mw4222@mw42222 ай бұрын
  • $0.98 hose clamp has entered the chat

    @scottwarner2146@scottwarner21462 ай бұрын
    • For the triggers? Not sure how that's supposed to work but you need a solid linkage to make the triggers pull simultaneously. Welding a ribbed plate between them would be suitably stiff.

      @vyvianalcott1681@vyvianalcott16812 ай бұрын
    • $0.05 ziptie 😂

      @dr.burtgummerfan439@dr.burtgummerfan4392 ай бұрын
    • Hahahahahhahahahah

      @pierremoore4916@pierremoore49162 ай бұрын
    • here in the heck are you still getting hose clamps for under a buck? with these bidenomics I haven't seen a hose clamp that cheap in a few years...

      @tylermallory2504@tylermallory25042 ай бұрын
    • jUsTaSGooOd!

      @bh6532@bh65322 ай бұрын
  • A counter argument to the civilian version having separate gas blocks and buffer tubes is it makes it much more serviceable to the owners. If gilboa stops supporting it after a few years, any breakage would be extremely difficult to fix, but universal parts means easier servicing and better aftermarket support.

    @jaredbaker5447@jaredbaker54472 ай бұрын
    • Or because with two triggers you cannot guarantee you pull them both at exactly the same time. So if you fire one and then the piston is actuated you will be firing the other round straight out of the ejection port… or maybe it doesn’t cycle right… or maybe, if it is perfectly timed, you could ignite the other round just as the bolt becomes unlocked somehow and you get an out of battery detonation. But this gun would be pretty spicy if you combined it with two RDIASs.

      @austinkroe@austinkroe2 ай бұрын
    • Another potential reason due to the separate firing triggers: not enough pressure from a single round to drive two actions. Or that you would eject an unused round if both chambers are loaded. Basically, if you can't fire both barrels with one trigger, you don't want the systems tied to each other.

      @Bigfoot42@Bigfoot422 ай бұрын
    • @Bigfoot42 the main reason for two triggers is that firearm laws in America say that if more than one round is fired when the trigger is pulled its full auto. So even though only one bullet is leaving each barrel, it's two bullets total, and the atf could argue its full auto and have the gun be banned. It's stupid but that's the atf for ya.

      @jaredbaker5447@jaredbaker54472 ай бұрын
    • @@jaredbaker5447 It is not actually the law, but companies think it might be and dont want to risk it. There have been numerous volley fire guns that are not classed as machine guns when the fire 2+ rounds from a single trigger pull, most commonly older stuff and antiques but even newer guns like the god awfull Thunderstruck.

      @commando552@commando5522 ай бұрын
    • ​@@commando552 Will point out that a lot of older models are grandfathered or simply unknown to the ATF for them to classify them as such. They're not a consistent organisation when it comes to applying their own rules.😊

      @insertname3977@insertname39772 ай бұрын
  • Ah, finally, AR-30

    @janmarucha9138@janmarucha9138Ай бұрын
    • *ARAR-30

      @novemberonetwo@novemberonetwo8 күн бұрын
  • Ian.. Always a wealth of knowledge, thank you , not a gun owner, but love your videos. Especially the break downs, thank you again

    @Dlweta57@Dlweta572 ай бұрын
  • Hold my beer, and hand me my duct tape.

    @Edmund_Mallory_Hardgrove@Edmund_Mallory_Hardgrove2 ай бұрын
    • "watch this"

      @giulianoforti542@giulianoforti5422 ай бұрын
    • I've been practising using my middle finger a lot lately, knew it would come in handy 😊

      @runristaren@runristaren2 ай бұрын
    • exactly what I was thinking. some ductape or a bent up piece of wire hanger to link the triggers and your golden.

      @curtisbrown547@curtisbrown5472 ай бұрын
    • @@curtisbrown547 I think he's talking about duct taping his two AR's together

      @galaxyproductions2076@galaxyproductions20762 ай бұрын
    • @@galaxyproductions2076 I hope not

      @curtisbrown547@curtisbrown5472 ай бұрын
  • Ah yes, the fully semi-automatic double-barreled 30-round clips.

    @Pilvenuga@Pilvenuga2 ай бұрын
    • *magazines 🤓

      @Pickelhaube808@Pickelhaube8082 ай бұрын
    • yeah better edit the clips to mags before you get 500 comments from gun expert

      @todokuta@todokuta2 ай бұрын
    • For double the "assault!" (ATF!)

      @owen1079@owen10792 ай бұрын
    • ​@Pickelhaube808 the point where the joke went over the head

      @dinkelheit88@dinkelheit882 ай бұрын
    • ​@@Pickelhaube808... You realise clips was a deliberate ATF joke?

      @owen1079@owen10792 ай бұрын
  • I love how the gun has all these fancy adjustment features to get the barrels and sights and everything tuned in exactly how you want, and then it's still functionally impossible to make use of any of it because there's not practical way to ensure you're hitting both triggers at the exact same time, since they aren't mechanically linked.

    @RamadaArtist@RamadaArtist2 ай бұрын
    • unless you make some inventive use of 3d printing but then i guess you better hide that augment someplace

      @Jharug87@Jharug87Ай бұрын
  • I'm getting flashbacks to the fighter jet-decepticons from 1985 for some reason, and the blaster cannons they had slung parallel to their forearms.

    @teknoaxe@teknoaxe2 ай бұрын
  • At least it doesn't have two forward assists.

    @Atombender@Atombender2 ай бұрын
    • 😂

      @phucletran2860@phucletran28602 ай бұрын
    • they could do twice the nothing

      @KrikZ32@KrikZ322 ай бұрын
  • The shop I worked at had one of these sitting on the wall for *years*. It was one of 2 rifles that sat on the shelf through the pandemic.

    @DerekIcelord@DerekIcelord2 ай бұрын
    • What was the other?

      @BD.1996@BD.19962 ай бұрын
    • Or two of three, depending on how you look at it.

      @ZGryphon@ZGryphon2 ай бұрын
    • I would've bought it.

      @letsdothis9063@letsdothis90632 ай бұрын
  • you could occupy land twice as fast with this

    @ViolentCriminalOrganization@ViolentCriminalOrganizationАй бұрын
  • Looks like an awesome range toy. I mean can you imagine the looks and conversation that would follow puling that out of your range bag?

    @keithplymale2374@keithplymale23742 ай бұрын
  • You see, Ivan. Double the barrel, double the bullet, double the damage.

    @Beandealer@Beandealer2 ай бұрын
    • Sounds like an infomercial

      @blackcountryme@blackcountryme2 ай бұрын
    • @@blackcountrymeNow that’s a lot of DAMAGE!

      @boxofrox619@boxofrox6192 ай бұрын
    • double the barrel, double the fun!

      @lordharu8682@lordharu86822 ай бұрын
    • Double the damage... to your wallet.

      @catsspat@catsspat2 ай бұрын
    • Have one point backward, now you shoot two directions in once da? Also cancels recoil!

      @Bagginsess@Bagginsess2 ай бұрын
  • The original concept was 2 bullets to be fired with one trigger and ATF put the Kibosh on that so it became 2 triggers, which made the concept even worse…1 trigger would have been a fun novelty. This information about the triggers was directly from the director of sales of Gilboa at the time.

    @Patriot66699@Patriot666992 ай бұрын
    • It seems pretty straightforward to be a volley fire gun, like that 22 mag revolver. Guess being semi auto scares people

      @atomic_wait@atomic_wait2 ай бұрын
    • I would love for more volley fire guns. Only,i wonder what they could do that others cannot. Just to justify a Pieper Volley Rifle replica.

      @junichiroyamashita@junichiroyamashita2 ай бұрын
    • Which is odd because they didn't say shit about the AF2011A1 double 1911

      @hehitmewiththatalphabetsou3337@hehitmewiththatalphabetsou33372 ай бұрын
    • @@hehitmewiththatalphabetsou3337 It looks like a grandpa gun, less threatening.

      @atomic_wait@atomic_wait2 ай бұрын
    • You know Bubba with a welder did it.

      @nc_classics9767@nc_classics97672 ай бұрын
  • Great review. I have one of these. You did a fantastic review on zeroing the rifle. It's very different then most..

    @9mil1313@9mil13132 ай бұрын
  • Fun fact: Silvershadow who produce the Snake are one of the manufacturers that will produce new AR-15 type rifles for the IDF

    @who167@who1672 ай бұрын
  • I’m sure anyone who has one of these immediately went to the store and found some heat shrink tubing to put on the triggers to unitize them

    @thedumbguncollector5546@thedumbguncollector55462 ай бұрын
    • your dog will hate you for this

      @rmhaven142@rmhaven1422 ай бұрын
    • @@rmhaven142 I don’t have one! Lol

      @thedumbguncollector5546@thedumbguncollector55462 ай бұрын
    • @@thedumbguncollector5546 then you dodged a bullet right there!

      @rmhaven142@rmhaven1422 ай бұрын
    • @@rmhaven142Or rather two bullets.

      @no1DdC@no1DdC2 ай бұрын
    • You guys have the worst solutions, how is that supposed to work? You realize tubes are flexible right?

      @vyvianalcott1681@vyvianalcott16812 ай бұрын
  • After watching Ian explaining the various Rube Goldberg schemes for firing multiple rounds at once, I was reminded of Aperture Science. “We fire the whole bullet. That’s 65% more bullet per bullet.” Maybe not coincidentally, the animation for that shows two rounds being fired at once out of twin barrels. If “launched by a spring” is really firing a round.

    @gus.smedstad@gus.smedstad2 ай бұрын
  • "It's just a way to get more projectiles down range and increase your chances of a hit. " Shotguns: Are we a joke to you?

    @stephenballard3759@stephenballard37592 ай бұрын
  • ATF, upon seeing a featherless biped: "BEHOLD, A MACHINE GUN!"

    @ihatethisusername2@ihatethisusername22 ай бұрын
    • Legal precedent is a wacky thing that creates all sorts of irrational incentives. With the US judicial system working the way it does, I see the logic behind defining a machine gun as "one trigger pull, more than one bullet" and refusing to make any exceptions ever for any reason ever

      @Sammie1053@Sammie10532 ай бұрын
    • @@Sammie1053 I totally understand the hard logic to reach that conclusion, it does literally fire more than one round per trigger pull. It's a spirit vs letter situation, I doubt anyone could call this a machine gun with a straight face or any firearm that doesn't sustain automatic fire with one trigger pull, which is the common, non-legal, understanding of what makes a machine gun. All that said, I totally understand the legal bastardry used to get where they need to go.

      @ihatethisusername2@ihatethisusername22 ай бұрын
    • I enjoy that this definition makes all shotguns into "machine guns".

      @BleedingUranium@BleedingUranium2 ай бұрын
    • @@BleedingUranium don't give them ideas. It's fair to assume they'll always take the least generous interpretation given the chance

      @ihatethisusername2@ihatethisusername22 ай бұрын
    • Meanwhile if I even saw this thing at all in the hands of someone walking around in those open carry states, I am leaving instantly. A concept for a purpose for one, is not ideal for another. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.

      @MT-lv3ls@MT-lv3ls2 ай бұрын
  • I did not know of the examples cited but the Gilboa Snake's configuration did conjure up the Villar Perosa Double Machine Gun in my mind. Very intriguing design. Sighting adjustment reminds me of harmonizing guns on a WWII fighter aircraft. I suppose maintenance is the equivalent of cleaning two firearms simultaneously. 😏 Thanks for the very enjoyable video!

    @robertcuny934@robertcuny9342 ай бұрын
  • "To my mind the practical thing to do with this--" Let me stop you right there man.

    @johna4371@johna43712 ай бұрын
  • Heck with it being so damm thick when you run out of ammo you can use it as a club.

    @RVR121@RVR1212 ай бұрын
    • Or - have almost twice as much parts to throw.😉😆

      @stanislavczebinski994@stanislavczebinski9942 ай бұрын
  • Can ya put two suppressors on it?

    @estamnar6092@estamnar60922 ай бұрын
  • I'm surprised they didn't make triggers that were closer together or staggered front to back like most guns with multiple triggers.

    @AverageJoe4063@AverageJoe40632 ай бұрын
  • KelTec designer on seeing this: *does spit-take*, "somebody hold my beer, I mean my mirror and dollar"

    @jg8263@jg82632 ай бұрын
    • KelTec ain't bumping rails with a dollar.

      @lostalone9320@lostalone93202 ай бұрын
  • Waits impatiently for the range test…

    @patrick6935@patrick69352 ай бұрын
  • 09:02 watch comes into frame *HERE, HAVE ALL THE NOSTALGIA* I think I actually still have that thing somewhere around the house...

    @mirko5469@mirko54692 ай бұрын
  • You could theoretically cross the gas tubes to go from one gun to the other remove the trigger mechanism from the left side and just have a hammer with a disconnector and a select fire trigger on the right side, and you would either have two round, burst or full auto firing from alternate barrels

    @kylejohnson4340@kylejohnson43402 ай бұрын
  • This is a case study in “just because you can, doesn’t mean you should.”

    @messmeister92@messmeister922 ай бұрын
  • If it were single trigger operated, I could see this having actual use, but having 2 mechanically separated triggers so it can loophole some gun laws and end up with a inbred-grade product is just dumb af...

    @JohnJaggerJack@JohnJaggerJack2 ай бұрын
    • I see a 30s upgrade or welding job fixing that forever

      @ingni123456@ingni1234562 ай бұрын
    • There's a lot of space in that trigger housing for.......adjustments.

      @dsmx85@dsmx852 ай бұрын
    • I agree totally, if that had one trigger, I think it would have serious potential. Although I do have a LOT of practice with the middle finger!

      @Jimtheneals@Jimtheneals2 ай бұрын
    • ATF stands for "Makes No Sense". They also can't spell.

      @Del_S@Del_S2 ай бұрын
    • I think a 3d printer could solve that.

      @JippaJ@JippaJ2 ай бұрын
  • Ah yes, the real life Storm Bolter

    @SeblaccSoft@SeblaccSoft2 ай бұрын
    • Was looking for this comment 😄

      @landotucker@landotucker2 ай бұрын
    • I made the same comment two months after you and am shocked that you only had 2 likes 😂😂😂

      @oldschoolben438@oldschoolben438Күн бұрын
  • I think the reason for the separate gas systems and all that stuff is that with the separate triggers you could have them not fired perfectly in sync, or even fired separately, and you could end up with situations where it's not getting enough gas to cycle if it's built around needing two shots worth of gas. And even if it does cycle you'd be tripping out of battery safety features on the slightly delayed shot or cycling the action unnecessarily and ejecting your ammo if you firing only one side and you have it closed or spitting out gas into your face if you have it open.

    @13thbee16@13thbee162 ай бұрын
  • Ahh yes, the guardsman version of the storm boltor.

    @Alpha.Phenix@Alpha.Phenix2 ай бұрын
    • If it wasn't heresy, you just know there'd be a budget hellgun equivalent made of two Lascarbines side by side. But only Space Marines can innovate and get away with it.

      @Del_S@Del_S2 ай бұрын
    • Cut off the barrels and remove the stock and there you go😊

      @Dovakhin94@Dovakhin942 ай бұрын
    • Happy gas mask noises

      @mkvi_minis9036@mkvi_minis90362 ай бұрын
    • There’s a Krieger leaning out from around the corner, and despite the eyepieces being reflective and the mask in place over his face, you can sense a smile.

      @goatah@goatah2 ай бұрын
    • idk why im so surprised to see warhammer 40k references here... but could you imagine ian doing a video talking about bolters? how wierd would that be...

      @crustybomb115@crustybomb1152 ай бұрын
  • >one long middle finger to pull both triggers or: one hot-glued metal tab

    @shoopusdawhoopus@shoopusdawhoopus2 ай бұрын
    • ATF open the door! Those would be the last words your dog would hear

      @asierurteagaaguirre3462@asierurteagaaguirre34622 ай бұрын
    • One of them slide guitar finger tubes could do the trick.

      @sauliluolajan-mikkola620@sauliluolajan-mikkola6202 ай бұрын
    • ​@@asierurteagaaguirre3462what the ATF doesn't know can't hurt the dog

      @gagekieffer772@gagekieffer7722 ай бұрын
    • yeah when he was explaining the trigger i was laughing, the thing is like 5 seconds away from being illegal. but ian is a respectable gentleman he didn't want to say the quiet part out loud

      @killazaawl@killazaawl2 ай бұрын
    • Nah, just a fancy ring would do it. 3D print one today, or just make it out of a pipe.

      @Skorpychan@Skorpychan2 ай бұрын
  • Early MetalStorm models were cool and put a lot of lead down range fast. Love to see some of those here.

    @chrismaines1285@chrismaines12852 ай бұрын
  • I remember seeing the Cornershot on some Discover Channel show when I was little and thought it was the coolest thing ever.

    @sam8404@sam84042 ай бұрын
  • Yo dawg i heard you like Ar's so we put an AR in your AR so you can shoot AR while you shoot your AR

    @vii7031@vii70312 ай бұрын
  • Really like that the gun allows the user to regulate the barrels on their own for different loadings, I wish more double barreled shotguns and rifles were like that!

    @macalvand@macalvand2 ай бұрын
  • you can wire the two triggers together or put a small bolt through the triggers to hold them together or even build sort of a frame for it all you need is 2 bolts and nuts and 2 pieces of metal with holes drilled through the end of them.

    @pavelmorozov6599@pavelmorozov65992 ай бұрын
  • This is perfect for the Elbonian Army

    @PaperworkNinja@PaperworkNinja2 ай бұрын
  • There is a physical effect called constructive interference that gets VERY destructive when two bullets hit close by at nearly the exact same time. WAY more than twice the damage to plates or tissue.

    @gilgamecha@gilgamecha2 ай бұрын
    • Interesting, I was wondering if that was significant. Waves collide...

      @whyjay9959@whyjay99592 ай бұрын
    • Must be why the double shot S333 revolver has "not being able to hit a door at five yards" level accuracy.

      @rotwang2000@rotwang20002 ай бұрын
    • On plates that are not solid steel . On something with a greater mass, it will make little to no difference. On soft or brittle ceramic plates - hell yeah. Just think of 2 of those gel block temporary cavities an inch apart 🤯🤮☠️

      @carnage77@carnage772 ай бұрын
    • @@carnage77 True. The main effect though is on tissue - not pretty. It is like an exponential version of the (already scary) hydrostatic effect.

      @gilgamecha@gilgamecha2 ай бұрын
    • Now we're talkin.

      @jguillot72@jguillot722 ай бұрын
  • Can I get it in 556 in the right barrel and 300 blackout in the left? I’m sure there would never be any issues with that setup.

    @kyinvestor@kyinvestor2 ай бұрын
  • you need a longer trigger for the second barrel, so it can sit under the first normal length trigger like a dual finger trigger paintball marker, be fully separated system but actuated by either your middle finger or offset behind or closer to the first trigger in a tight "\ /" configuration.

    @zudukaiKilo44@zudukaiKilo442 ай бұрын
  • Double your pleasure, double your fun with the double boom gun!

    @teufeldritch@teufeldritch2 ай бұрын
    • Dammit, you beat me to it, but i said a lil diffrent

      @user-oi1fd6fx2j@user-oi1fd6fx2j2 ай бұрын
  • If they would have integrated the 2 triggers closer together (essentially side by side, nearly touching), this could have much more closely emulated the experience of the military version. With the 2 triggers so far apart, it appears to make it much more difficult to use it as originally intended.

    @lahma69@lahma692 ай бұрын
  • 8:34 im the same way, look at it from the side and it looks more or less normal, but when you look at it from top or bottom is when you really appreciate the physical bulk

    @Vlad-fm3gk@Vlad-fm3gk2 ай бұрын
  • I would love to see this concept combined with an Echo trigger system. Having a single trigger operating one barrel on the pull and the other barrel on the release would go even further to skirt the ATF on fast firing ARs and would also allow for thinner profile barrels since their respective rate of fire would be halved as opposed to the military model.

    @PumpkinDefender@PumpkinDefender2 ай бұрын
  • I always thought this was an answer to a question no one was still asking

    @jamessaltzburg9549@jamessaltzburg95492 ай бұрын
  • my first thought was actually that you could just run one side, and have an entire spare ar15 with you at all times in case of the one side becoming inoperable. in terms of insane prepper guns, I feel like it's got a purpose there.

    @la_creatura_fea_y_bella@la_creatura_fea_y_bella2 ай бұрын
    • One gun to protect you while you reload the other.

      @MumrikDK@MumrikDK2 ай бұрын
    • the 2nd trigger is still annoyingly far for your finger to reach though, and may be awkward to use with the other trigger in the way?

      @Appletank8@Appletank82 ай бұрын
  • Maybe If this at least had 2 independent safes(maybe when they engage they both do, but each of the two can be disengaged independently) might offer the option for switching between non-Lethal/Lethal bullets

    @matteohetzy7599@matteohetzy75992 ай бұрын
  • Ian Thanks for your informative videos. This reminds me of a gun i once saw in a 1970s movie starring Darren McGavin, and Sam Elliott when he was a kid. Yes i am that old, so old infact my favorite rifle is the m 1918 BAR. Sorry for the aside. Movie was the Challenge, McGavin's character had what appeared to be a double barrel, double magazine sub machine gun..I only saw it once and it was a long time ago. It was very interesting. and the Gilboa snake brought it back to mind. If it wasn't a fantasy gun just for the movie, it should be interesting enough to be worthy of your attention. Thanks for all you do to educate and entertain us.

    @wsmith7302@wsmith73022 ай бұрын
  • Double win for Ian, two ARs and neither of them have forward assist!

    @lp9280@lp92802 ай бұрын
  • Ha! My first thought when you were explaining the rifle was, “that’s as dumb as the corner shot”.

    @donalddicorcia2433@donalddicorcia24332 ай бұрын
    • I remember when I was a kid and Future Weapons did an episode on the Corner Shot. I thought was the coolest thing back then lol

      @Calvin_Coolage@Calvin_Coolage2 ай бұрын
    • Corner shot is actually not that dumb. It's used by a lot of professionals!! Have a look en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CornerShot

      @AntonAdelson@AntonAdelson2 ай бұрын
    • @@Calvin_CoolageI really liked it when they put a plushie on the gun in order to confuse enemies for a second or two.

      @no1DdC@no1DdC2 ай бұрын
  • timney makes an adjustable position trigger so you could drop two in and have them both canted to one side to shoot with your middle and index finger similar to how paintball guns are set up OR you could crisscross them on top of each other to be able to fire both barrels with one movement of the finger.

    @MrConceito@MrConceitoАй бұрын
  • Italy did this first with the Villar Perosa. That's why they didn't try again during the Cold War, they already knew it was a stupid idea. But everyone else thought they were better... And Italy laughed.

    @lordMartiya@lordMartiya2 ай бұрын
    • That double-barrel FAL 😂

      @TristanMorrow@TristanMorrow2 ай бұрын
    • Villar Perosa actually had a purpose which justified two barrels(AA duty, with an smg, lol.). But some ended up in ground troops.

      @kesmeseker9593@kesmeseker95932 ай бұрын
    • @@kesmeseker9593 Some? All of them, after it was clear it was underpowered for aircrafts.

      @lordMartiya@lordMartiya2 ай бұрын
    • @@kesmeseker9593Well, it was mounted to WW1 aircraft, which were little more than fancy flying tents. You don't need a large caliber to bring one of those down, especially not at the ranges that air combat was fought at the time.

      @no1DdC@no1DdC2 ай бұрын
  • Firing your side barrel is faster than reloading

    @sniperwolf50@sniperwolf502 ай бұрын
  • A binary style trigger on this gun where the pull fires one barrel and the release fires the other would be wicked cool

    @paddy2081@paddy20812 ай бұрын
  • Thanks for the show and tell., I saw one of these a few years ago in person, What an expensive POJ.

    @fredboat@fredboat2 ай бұрын
  • Intelligence tells you, you can do it. Wisdom tells you why you shouldn't. Charisma tells you to just sell it to an American. This is one of those times.

    @dulio12385@dulio123852 ай бұрын
    • "They were in such a hurry to see if they could, they never stopped to ask if they should,"

      @Blodhelm@Blodhelm2 ай бұрын
    • Somebody from Kel-tek infiltrated them

      @marcogenovesi8570@marcogenovesi85702 ай бұрын
    • Strength tells you, it has more mass, thus makes a better club to bash with.

      @Kumimono@Kumimono2 ай бұрын
  • What if we took the bullets and put them on really long belts so you can shoot longer?

    @d133710n@d133710n2 ай бұрын
    • Apparently magazine design peaked at the Villar-Perosa according to these designers

      @FabianMacGintyONeill@FabianMacGintyONeill2 ай бұрын
    • How about we just fire the wholre cartridge instead of just the bullet? Tha'ts 65% more bullet per bullet! - Cave Johnson

      @InCognito-vx8gi@InCognito-vx8gi2 ай бұрын
    • Bullets on belt? So silly. Pockets maybe, but belt. Ha ha!

      @XtreeM_FaiL@XtreeM_FaiL2 ай бұрын
    • Hey, you might be onto something here...

      @babayaga6376@babayaga63762 ай бұрын
    • what is this sorcery

      @marcogenovesi8570@marcogenovesi85702 ай бұрын
  • This would be insane as a smooth bore slug thrower, the combinations you could load into both mags... oh man

    @Von_Langstein@Von_Langstein2 ай бұрын
  • Another reason for the two buffers may be that no matter what you pulling two triggers will result in small differences in the timing of the two chambers firing. You wouldn’t want to shoot the left barrel with the spring half compressed already

    @nemoexnuqual3643@nemoexnuqual3643Ай бұрын
  • Gilboa Snake? Did Rocky and Snake Pliskin have a baby? 🤔

    @johnoberst1045@johnoberst10452 ай бұрын
  • "Maybe with enough practice, use of the middle finger, that sort of thing" So...get my middle finger all warmed up driving through traffic before the range then?

    @Corvious@Corvious2 ай бұрын
    • If you bring your SO, then yes

      @Basement_crusader@Basement_crusaderАй бұрын
  • Back when us left-handed shooters had to use brass deflectors on the M-16, I would have like to have tried one of the mirrored bolts with a milled out left side ejection port. I bet it would have saved me some neck burns.

    @alanocarlossur9440@alanocarlossur94402 ай бұрын
  • Posting this at the beginning of the video. If you think of it as putting out two bullets at once and then sure the idea looks goofy. Alternatively, if you look at this as an extension of the whole jungle mag concept, it starts to make a lot more sense. You switch over barrels when one runs dry and switch mags when you have a lull.

    @avwillis5269@avwillis52692 ай бұрын
  • Oh boy, another doublegun

    @PJ-he5zk@PJ-he5zk2 ай бұрын
    • the only who i can think of before i saw this was the "2011" double barrel Colt 1911 and the Vilar Pirosa machine gun of WW1

      @skeven0@skeven02 ай бұрын
    • ​@@skeven0The DP-12 has entered the chat.

      @x808drifter@x808drifter2 ай бұрын
    • Frommer stop MG and M1912 steyr experimental double barrel thing entered the chat

      @Trenaime@Trenaime2 ай бұрын
  • With 2 triggers and buffer tubes, it really does seem like a novelty. Would absolutely love to see if you could get your hands on a military one, that fire control group must be quite interesting

    @user-oh6gz9er6h@user-oh6gz9er6h2 ай бұрын
  • 16:03 Additionally, a single recoil system would require both actions to cycle. So if only one trigger were pulled, both actions would cycle, and a live round would be ejected from the action which didn't fire. Since it seems hard to pull both triggers at once, having a shared recoil system would result in a lot of ammunition being spilled on the ground.

    @waylonk2453@waylonk24532 ай бұрын
  • When your primary opponents are unarmed or limited in arms, you can get goofy with your abundant arms production funding.

    @omgasmallbox@omgasmallbox2 ай бұрын
  • I'd rather work with the old 3-round burst limitations and save the weight for more ammo.

    @davidharper9772@davidharper97722 ай бұрын
    • If you can have a 3round burst, you can have a single trigger, fully auto version.

      @fidjeenjanrjsnsfh@fidjeenjanrjsnsfh2 ай бұрын
    • Was there ever an M16 that was ACTUALLY locked to burst?

      @davidbanan.@davidbanan.2 ай бұрын
    • In a perfect world we have triple barrel shoot burst, that's 9 shots in a single trigger pull.

      @jeanpierrepolnareff9919@jeanpierrepolnareff99192 ай бұрын
    • @@davidbanan.If by "locked to burst" you mean "has only 3-round burst but no full-auto", then yes, it was army variant of M16A2 (marines had it with full-auto capability).

      @user-ui4hs6xh1s@user-ui4hs6xh1s2 ай бұрын
    • Does a three round burst legally have to stay that way, guess I'd get one for the investment but I want select fire. 3 shot burst was hated by everyone from the troops to Stoner himself and especially gunsmiths. I'd go for stacked, side by side seems like a novelty item but stackek would be dope.

      @abstractapproach634@abstractapproach6342 ай бұрын
  • >1800's: pepperbox pistols/rifles >2000's pepperbox pistols/rifles cowboy logic will always remain

    @overthinkingisbad@overthinkingisbad2 ай бұрын
    • Pepperbox pistols do not fire all barrels at once, you had to move the cylinder manually.

      @NORTH_CAROLINA_REAPER@NORTH_CAROLINA_REAPER2 ай бұрын
    • @@NORTH_CAROLINA_REAPERChainfire enters the chat.

      @no1DdC@no1DdC2 ай бұрын
    • @@no1DdC The stuck sks firing pin of the 19th century.

      @NORTH_CAROLINA_REAPER@NORTH_CAROLINA_REAPER2 ай бұрын
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