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Which part resonates the most?
"you can't just be lazy"
Accidentally hitting the shutter 😂 My last film roll had 6 blanks in the middle after it fired some nice interior shots of my backpack
"Seeing" and showing things in a different perspective. And yep, on being judicious on those film clicks. More clicks = $$
"A lot of lazy people can get away with being a good photographer" man that hit hard. its its very true.
Hello there 👋👋👋
I really can’t get behind guys that rant so much about other people’s way of doing things to validate themselves. Editing is a beautiful process and a craft in itself. ❤
It is indeed.
This. So much this. I'm not concerning myself with what other photographers are doing. If they want to shoot/edit a certain way I don't care. I care what my clients want, and when I'm shooting for me I care what I want for me.
For real. Especially when what they're criticizing is exactly how they've made their career up to this point. I smell a little bit of elitism creeping in. "I use film, so i'm better than you". Cringe.
Im with you and I really like Garretts work, I shoot and develop 35mm film and digital as well, I have a hard time hearing others stating that real film is "medium format", art is like wine or music doing something different with passion is art "to me" there is a photographer that shoots film with a Holga $20 camera and her craft is magic aka art @anna.s.snapshots
Exactly it's so elitist. I mean at 10:47 hes holding £6000 of digital gear in his hands saying everyone has this setup and diminished it because it's not hard 11:00. That can lead people on a long lonely path to making everything harder for themselves just to validate what they are doing. When people look at the photo they wont care how it has been taken or processed.
I don't think the main skill of a photographer is the technical expertise, but the pattern recognition. A good photographer is a master at pattern recognition!
Absolutely agree
10:47 Viewing yourself as a "dork" because you shoot with a certain piece of equipment sounds like a serious lack of self confidence in your abilities. And it sets a bad precedent to new photographers who will view their work as "dorky" just because they aren't using a specific camera
Completely agree it's a rather toxic mindset to have. He said that whilst holding a R5 and a 50mm f/1.2L which together is £6000, I don't think everyone has that setup 🤣 I've seen in other artistic genres this kind of thing where you are looked down on because you didn't do it a harder way which he said at 11:00 When the final product is being viewed the person looking won't care if you did it in a hard way or easy way, they will only care about the final product.
It's because digital isn't cool, man. Carrying a mega medium format mamiya is just real photography, man. It's not about the images man, it's a process. 😅
Pure hipster pretentiousness
@@CaerEsthar Yep could have said it better myself 👏
@@MKNYC_ dork.
When he said he felt like a dork holding the mirrorless camera kinda bothered me, not gonna lie. It’s the individuals unique eye that really makes the difference. There’s room for everyone to shoot any type of camera or medium 😊
Completely agree mate and I actually went looking for this kind of comment to see if I was alone or not. Glad to see I wasn't and that part of the video @10:47 did come across "to me" that unless you do it the hard way your work has no value. This is ridiculous and like you say its the individuals eye not the gear they use. Also Shortstache has recently marketed his own filters with Polar Pro, so I better not get those as it will be like everyone else...I actually created my own by stacking a polariser and a mist filter that I already owned together lol
@@GregShaw It makes me laugh sometimes how people talk about these things. I don't always have all the right words for what I am doing when I use my cameras, but my eye is good. I have had people talk the tech part and nerd out pretty hard (I can't always keep aperture words in my head etc),but when it comes down to it, I take the better photo, because I feel it, regardless of medium...digital/film etc. And I like feeling like a dork, so what the hey 🤷🏻♀😂💖
Same here.
I never felt like a dork, I actually love some of the edit's I've created from mirrorless equipment. I will continue to do so BUT the ability to work smarter than the camera was something I missed with zoom lens, autofocus, auto ISO, etc. As artists I feel the process of capturing images should be more meaningful to us than the end result. But that's just me.....just one old man's opinion. Having 4 very different medium format manual cameras the hardest thing was having the right kit on me in particular situations! So I bought a van.....🤣
@@thomaspunchur3627 Ain't nuthin' wrong with bein' a dork! 😂 I agree with you about the process...it's the experience of catching the moments for me, and sometimes the results aren't what I expect, but that's life. I love my medium format cameras, and I limit what I bring out with me so that I don't run into that...but a van sounds like a great option 😂💖🚌
I get a lot of compliments on my editing. Years of experience and failing at other editing jobs already, until I finally just started working for myself and my own passions. It’s paying off!
Been a photographer since 1981. I shoot both film and digital or whatever camera I have nearby (I have them in my car in both the front and back seats) in my gym bag, on each floor of my home and in my office. All with film or memory card ready to go at a moments notice. "Art is everywhere" is so true. I like to tell people that "I photograph nouns" and each of those "Nouns" has a story or an expression that connects me to it through photos. I doesn't matter what the camera is as long as I have a chance to make it part of me for a few moments to connect, then it's the right camera.
Digital photography has opened the door for so many new, great photographers. To lessen that seems a bit disingenuous. Film photography was always a fairly expensive pursuit and today the cost of film and developing it is even more so. On the cheap end it costs between $18-25 to buy and process a roll of film- 36 pictures. Having learned on and shot film, most of those pictures (as careful and slow as you are) are not usable- even with post processing- which virtually all photographers do. If you end up with a photo which touches people, does matter if it was shot on film, digital or fixed in post? I think not. Being critical of digital shooters and the process risks coming off as arrogant. I respect these photographers and like this video. However it did have an air of film superiority which I hope was more enthusiasm than intention. Keep being creative and keep shooting!!
He did take himself a bit too seriously didn't he. Enjoy the process, enjoy capturing art. Doesn't matter how it is done.
I find many film photographers tend to become a tad snobbish.
@@jemlang Completely, came across very elitist and hipster
@@soundscape26 The new hipster it seems
I mean the fact that Peter’s last two videos were shot on pocket 3 is awesome man.
did he mention that?
No way are you serious?
@@OshaunYup
@@Oshaun you can see Kirk recording on the Pocket 3 on the last video at Casey's place.
I thought it felt a bit potato-y
"Art is everywhere" Amen.
I think what he's saying is digital make people lazy to learn the meaning of photography and is not about you need to shot film but you need to know how to do it . I agree with them
I get it. Having started shooting @1970 doing everything with distinct purpose and over the years moving "up" to a R6Mkii I recently got bored feeling "lazy" in the process! I recently sold it and all my RF lenses I had adapted to it and am back to my manual film cameras and my M10 with an assortment of glass which I shoot everything manually in RAW. No regrets, being retired all I have is time, I want to enjoy it doing what moves me. Carry on young buck, never stop learning!
I love how Peter just lets his colabs or guests just be themselves. It’s a little dangerous though cuz this guy while talented comes off as a dork. 🤪
I love this new style of your content Pete... it's like a Photography podcast without sitting down.
Fixing in post is so 2019. Fix it with AI is the way to go 🤪
😂😂😂
Hahaha. So true 🤪😂
Having tried to use AI to correct things, it's easier to get it right in camera.
Whenever I'm not feeling well I watch "the bucked shot"... it always makes me stand up 💪🥰🥰🥰
"Art is everywhere". Powerful and truthful statement. Couldn't agree more.
Good times man! Blessed to know you brother 🙏🏼
thanks for sharing, you inspired me to try something new
I really try to capture my subject in a way thats telling the story. Showing the action or emotion in a way that reflects what the subject was feeling. What the moment felt like. Not just art for arts sake, but trying to capture a bit of that intangible. Its an endless process to get it right.
Garrett just has a different eye than pretty much any photographer I know. His creativity and the art he makes is unbelievably inspiring!
Love this guy’s mindset and philosophy about intentionality in getting the shot and getting it right. I agree with what he said about editing. A lot of these people should call themselves visual effects artists rather than photographers.
Film photography has helped me slow down and think more about my shots, which has improved my compositions. It's exactly what I needed to better my craft. Great video!
For many years, every time I've watched your videos, I get pumped and excited, have a positive mind and a great mood, and make my day so good. many thanks
It's really cool to see and hear other people out there that share similar ideas and thoughts about film. I've been wanting to start shooting some of my videos involving film photography. This was inspirational. Thanks. Great Video
Always good to watch your videos and it always inspire me to work towards what I like to do. Thanks Pete!
Hey Pete! I've learned alot from your channel and have even took the leap to start my own. Thanks for sharing your knowledge and insights man. You’re a big inspiration!
Shortstache is my Inspiration ‼️
You two are massive inspirations, between the two of you having such visually satisfying work, always an immense pleasure seeing you guys together again 😌
I like how Pete gives the other person the stage more in his videos.
Shortstache just casually drops a BAR. 🔥🔥
For me it's, whatever I can do to capture the art. Film has made it fun again. Digital gets me what I want or close to it. Art is subjective so maybe don't... "My art is better." No, you have experience so you can generally make better quality artwork. The difference between luck and an artist is repeatability.
Feels so good to know I'm not the only photographer out there that makes these mistakes!
I can't take either of these two seriously. One looks like my aunt the other dresses like her. I'll let you guys be the judge.
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Nothing is imperfect, every failure is a new chapter, so no one is lazy.😊
I was a film developer & printer in the early 90s..I loved being able to manually read negatives and colour correct based on the contrast, density, exposure and saturation. For years as a MUA working with top photographers around the world, i was so disappointed with the colours, contast and photoshopping which destroyed many a great photo. Im using film camera again and I feel its gonna make a come back
That [triple?] exposure shot at @9:00 is :chefs kiss: BANGIN.
Art is everywhere, totally agree. Developpement (not fix in post) is still a 50% part of the photography process, no matter what you used at first
Oh goodness, the perfectionism can be an enemy! I had to laugh at the happy-go-lucky trigger finger slips. Sometimes with film you just have to relax about those accidental taps. Happy little mistakes happen, and it makes me giggle when I screw up like that. I am glad film is making the huge comeback and it is gaining a renewed popularity. It kind of makes me laugh how you guys are treating it like this sacred thing and it has rejuvenated your thrill in the art. It's like getting to the root of the love of it all. Keep on doing your thing, Sweetie Petey 💖
Pete rocking DJI wireless mic game changer!!
Garrett King is quickly becoming one of my favorite photographers. The guy is bold and adventurous in his approach to the art form.
Thank you, it's pretty amazing how people can create a picture from scratch! And really THANK YOU for your content and energy!
Got to chill with Garret in Calgary with Socality during his film release of Along The Way. Super cool to chat with him. Great idea to hang out with him for the day. "Fix it in post, that statement is so played out" is what resonates soooo much with me.
My soul needed this video. Thank you 🙏🏾
People editing their way to success is a punch line. Dude is so inspirational, watching this video has made me think about so many things. Thank you, Peter and team.
A bit of the desperation and tragedy of not wanting to be 'normal' here... esp when he talks about looking like a 'dork' when holding a mirrorless camera. It's his journey and opinion, and it's valid, but how much of this just comes from fear of being ordinary. Not in regards to the work and results, but the tool used.
I really did not like that comment he made at 10:47 really came across as "unless you make it hard for yourself it's not deserving" or "its cheating if you go digital because thats whats everyone does" It's ridiculous, next thing it will be you must develop your own film to be a true artist, or lets go a step even further and say you have to prepare your own chemicals from scratch and celluloid to be a true photography artist. I used to hear a similar narrative in the music industry about using hardware synths over virtual and programming your own patches from scratch over using presets, or starting from a preset.
I was literally waiting to watch two of my all time favorites in a single video.
I get having passion for your preferred medium but this condescending attitude towards digital and other people having a different way about their process just seems a bit snobbish to me. I don't think that being able to nail a shot on film your first try makes you any better or worse of a photographer than someone who uses digital and take a few shots to get their composition right, not to mention film is expensive. Don't know how many big youtubers have taken a look around at the global economy but it ain't doing great and most of us can barley afford to buy groceries let alone film for cameras.
Yes , yes , yes!! I've gone through and commented with everyone who has picked up on this. Complete snobbery, I like the idea of slowing down to take your pictures and that's a good take home, but moving to film just to make it hard to validate yourself is ridiculous. I went down that long lonely path for 15 years when doing music production and you know what it's bloody depressing and no one cares that you did it the hard way when the see the final product, it's the final product they care about. Shortstache has his own line of Polar Pro filters so like Pete he has the money to burn on film. But to be "different" i have just stacked up a polariser and a mist filter that I already have and I certainly won't be buying a Shortstache filter now after watching this.
A PM upload is what I needed today!
I too am going through a bit of a film awakening. I'm all in on it and haven't even touched my digital camera for anything but scanning my negatives. I've been shooting with an RB and know the feeling of accidentally firing one off. ha. it really does get to you.
Love both these dudes, inspirational across the board. lets not leave out the Captain! out there getting that sick BTS
Loving this series of interviews with other artists! Keen them coming!
Bros who else missed peter's vids in quarantine 😢
Eh, a lot of his statements are lost on me. "i feel like a dork. Everyone has the same setup, and not everyone will have that." So youre shooting, film, medium format, to be a hipsters hipster....ok
I have exact same creative vision and shots just different paths we all take. Art and beauty surrounds us all if we slow down and open our hearts to notice. ❤
I've missed KZhead videos like this. Every time I see Shortstache or Peter get so fired up with editorial sets like this I just get so pumped to grab my camera and make something
Wow! Those portraits are nuts. ❤❤❤
"Art is everywhere, yet I feel like a dork holding a digital camera......." Being one sided with the gear is also being a dork. His film prints also had to be scanned digitally to share on this youtube clip. We don't all spray and pray just because we use digital cameras. His work is amazing, but I think he can even get better if he tries all options instead of being one sided.
Love this!!! It's why I love shooting with my Fuji GFX 50R. It's slow and I focus on my shots much more. I know it's not film; it's helped me slow down. My uncle just gave me a Mamiya m645. Im looking forward to the process.
Great job with these videos. You inspire me everyday to take more film photos.
HOW LONG WILL YOU BE HERE IN NYC. WE NEED TO TALK.
OMG, Blaine and Peter together? Love to be a fly on the wall of that room.
@@ryanlynch347 needs to happen. Peter let’s go. I’m ready to go.
We need Blaine and Peter to collaborate together. 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
@@ryanlynch347 laygo!
@@Asomers322 has to happen!
Peter is back! It’s fantastic to see that after a series of exploration videos, you’ve released such an insightful one. A single video like this fom you offers so much knowledge and value that, in my opinion, other creators would need about five videos to match. Please continue this excellent work, and never-ever stop producing these types of videos. We all gain a great deal from these educational videos, as well as your endless exploration videos. However, I believe these instructional ones are the best you can offer. By the way Shortstache have been really amazing, always and yeah please reduce your "me-time" and love with squarespace.. lol Peace out!
The dream team!! Miss you legends
That's a beautiful video. I love to see other artists work. You don't need to agree on everything they think, but it's definitely inspiring.
Very much love this channel.
Every shot in this video are stunning.
Thank you for the wonderfully, creative conversation! So many beautiful ideas and comments to think about.
I don't shoot on film but man, this really taught me to be super intentional with every shot. I do a lot of event photography and videography so I can't really be slow. However, this really taught me to just take that extra time to be prepared because in the long run, that is going to pay off. I don't ever want to "edit my way to success".
I like your channel but having lived through the film days starting in the mid 80's, I'm tired of hearing about how great film is. It was great back then, but digital is SOO much better if you apply the concept of slowing down and setting up the perfect shot.
Lol I can definitely relate to what you are saying as a old retired wedding photographer that was shooting film for 20 years in the 1980s and 90s I don’t ever want to shoot film ever again. It just blows my mind when people say film is better.
Analog is the expensive way to slow down for the rich.........some simularities with that analog audio debate......
@@Emmanuel_Tuts-Schiemsky Exactly, having come from 15 years of producing music there was so much elitist views over using virtual instruments and vintage hardware. I was glad to leave that scene and move into a passion I have for many years which is photography. Hearing these views and opinions over digital and film and seeing some of the main youtubers that I have followed for years pushing this sentiment is rather sad.
Could not agree more. Just because you shoot digital does not automatically mean you fire off shots. You can be just as in the moment as any film photographer it just seems to me a lot of evangelical film circle jerk.
Why the hate. If you like film shoot film. Everyone should use what they want without being judged. I personally use both. For different reasons. So sick of the photo community shitting on others for the brand of camera they use or whatever. It’s so toxic. I’ve owned just about every brand in the past 25 years, they are just tools for the craft. Pros actually care less about it than internet “photographers”. Just use what you love.
This really makes me want to use film for my product and toy photography. Takes me back in time to 1993 and my old 35mm
Amazing Video Peter! You have been a huge inspiration through my filmmaking journey and you motivated me even more to shoot more on 35mm film! ❤
Very cool! As a newb, I love seeing the process of a pro “seeing the shot”. What an amazing industry! Great video.
Man, I lost my photography mojo but this video has got them creative juices flowing again!!
great content from two great photographers 🙏🏼 Thanks. Learned a lot
Hey Pete! Great episode and it always always feel great to see Shortstache around, creating his magic. Now I want an episode on- How to compose yourself or get over the overwhelming feeling when you arrive at a shoot location as a photographer/videographer.
Garret is seriously the man!
Great video Pete.. thanks for sharing
He took the words out of my mouth! This is exactly why I shoot film over digital. I like that its hard! It always challenges me to be better! I don't know if I'll ever go back.
Love the rover 😉
Love what this guy is doing/saying
I don't know exactly what is drawing me to watch these videos - but it's something great I think, I'l always like .. newly recharged after the watch .. beat that :)
Been a while since I watch one of your videos, you're such a great storyteller and I don't know why you don't pop up on my feed anymore, this was another nice once! Love the look/feel and the moodiness about this as well as the topic, I'm not a fan of film-cameras, and I don't think a film-camera makes anyone more artistic than with a digital one, but this definitely felt artistic. Having said that, I don't particularly see anything wrong with leveraging the technology of today and "fix it in post" it doesn't make it any less intentional or less artistic to do so, as it does take art and technical knowledge to do that (fix in post). In the end, everyone has a workflow that works for them and for creating their art, one is not better than the other. Hope to see more of these on my feed!
This video reminds me why I picked up a camera in the first place. Thanks Pete and Garrett
Ahhhh nice!! Been following shortstache for years and love this. Very mature insight and the shots are fire, especially the elevated one taken from the stairs. More info on the vintage rovers please 😮
Another inspiring VLOG!! Featuring friends while giving perspective.
I think art is in all forms and art is progressive as well as retro so it’s good to keep an open mind for both digital and film. Great Video
i could watch and listen to you two, for hours
So much to learn. Love this one!
It’s not about the camera,lens,film…etc. It’s about the photographer & the way they see life through their eyes. The equipment is just a way to share that personal sight with the world. Personally I don’t use photoshop. I only use Lightroom to edit my photos. Some advice,use the camera/lens you want & take it slow. You don’t have to take 1,000+ photos.
Greenpoint babyyyy!!!! ❤❤❤
Rocking the toaster!!! Takes me back.
Very great full that I started on film 4"x5" that is even slower than medium format. And yes we also used medium format.
Peter you never cease to please & amaze me. Just stunning. Please tell me you’ll one day allow me to interview you on my podcast (new one coming soon) if for no other reason but to bask in your creative vibe. Cheers!
Not sure how i feel about this
Nah! 100% with this dude here. Coming from an analogue purist, well I was until I realized, I was being stupid. If you edit your way to success, then you're a damn good editor. That's a path not a lot of people talk about. Once you've established your style of photographing, doesn't matter which tool you use, the results will remain exactly the same. If you take 1 million shots on a digital or 36 frames, once you selected your final images, they're gonna look very similar. One last thing, your client doesn't give a single F what you use, as long as they get professionally (Images that they'll be happy with that they chose you, not their cousin who's also kinda into photography) composed images in the end, delivered on time.
Correction, 100% not with this dude. ***
Thank you Peter for inspiring me in the beggining and still inspiring me.
G is always inspiring us to think different
that was a beautiful video! Cheers bro!
I just shot my first roll of film and feel like the increased focus on each shot is going to make me a much better photographer!
I am with you there Garrett... Everyone has the same gear, but when you go back to film, and older cameras, not everyone is using that, and it makes a huge difference.
Everyone has £6000 setups?? (which was in his hands at 10:47) This kind of thinking is the same n the music production scene where people look down on producers using virtual instrument over vintage hardware.
Interesting video, gets you thinking.. my take is you shoot what gets you the result you want, one way round the newer camera route is shoot small memory cards, use filters, use vintage lenses if you prefer to be challenged and loose a ton of frames to blur…. Or shoot manual focus, that will cost you a few shots! Encouraging to shoot a variety of angles, like you say not rattle off 50 of the same images. I don’t think I could handle film it’s not for me, that kind of anxiety is not needed in my life. Love the shots great video man!