The Biggest Myth In All of Martial Arts That Nobody Ever Talks About
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Question for Viewers: What's the second biggest martial arts myth?
Make a vid on karambits
Is it if you know martial arts then your invincible 🤣
That wing chun does not work
@@stephanwatson7902 I would dare say Bruce Lee could indeed fight.
That fighting is healthier than beeing fat.
The second biggest myth is strength does not matter in a fight.
That gets talked about all the time
Unless you're fighting James Hetfield 😆
@@AvoidTheseMemes why you gotta pick on the Godfather of growl.?
thats probly the biggest myth that does get talked about
Well If you don’t know how to fight having strength is not gonna help you fight
"Im gonna go self defense that dude"🤣🤣🤣
BS instructors and practitioners are here for our amusement...? I don’t understand this at all? A passing comment from a fool isn’t one of the biggest myths in martial arts??? 💀 This is by far one of the lowest ranking myths about martial arts. Most of it is steeped in mysticism lmao This video should be called “Semantics & Opinions” I like this guy but this video hurt my brain... I hope he sees this
This is the guy at the bar who doesn't know what he's talking about but has an opinion about everything...
04:21 🤣🤣 literally crying
Yeah, I'd reword that to what constitutes "Self Defense." Maybe this is more of a Legal Myth, but these guys aren't Perry Mason any more than they're Chuck Norris. 9 times out of 10, when you read those stories, it's the kind of thing where you get arrested for Assault (If not Assault with a Deadly Weapon) and the cops let the courts sort it out. "He started it!" isn't going to win you any Self Defense claims.
@@furdterguson3434 comments like that arise because there are bs instructors and a ton of bs practitioners. Anyone who has trained in the past whether it was Boxing, Muay Thai or self defense class knew by the way someone moved thay they would probably get hurt if things got real. Most people suck and wouldn't be able to handle getting jumped. Especially by a physically fit male between the ages of 20-33 with mean intentions. I mean it's not rocket science! People often say that based on their initial observations. I think the guy in the video lost an argument on KZhead and decided to make a video lol 😂🤣 Does it happen often? Probably not! But does it ever happen? I'm sure it does once in a blue moon lol 😆 I understand your frustration perfectly. A video was not required lol 🤣
7:30 Mike's got a point, I trained martial arts and shooting but the only time I've actually had to save a life was when a Friend blacked out drunk and fell in the pool. I guess I should have studied tactical swimming instead.
I guess that is like knowing CPR. You learn it in case you need it but hope you never have to use it. But yeah, I've never taken martial arts and I have also saved people from drowning. So you don't have to be a legendary fighter to save a life. There are a lot of ways to be a hero. Giving blood saves lives, if you have ever given blood then you're a hero because your blood likely saved someone's life. BTW I do know CPR, and yes I am glad that I have never had to use it.
@@IdentityCrisis1581 Well said mate. There truly is more than one way to be a hero.
Thats so interesting. i was never trained for anything in my life, but in my lifetime i must have saved about 6 people from drowning. one time at work was the worst one. dude fell through the ice and i had to lift the 250 pound dude out of the water soaking wet. Power of adrenaline i guess and a extra helping of LUCK along with another 3 people from choking. lol
Loool, that cracked me up for some reason
Yeah I guess it really depends on both where you live and who you have in your life. If you live in a bad area the chance of you getting into a physical altercation is higher but in other areas it's not as much of a problem. I've never had to give anyone first aid before but I have had to deal with altercations a few times. Running helped me in those altercations a lot more often than any fight training did too
I used to weigh between 250 and 300 pounds as a teenager up until I was 20. I ended up losing weight by doing Kung fu kata in my room by myself. Going to the gym made me feel insecure and doing endless reps and stretches was de-motivating. I started doing kata to keep it interesting for myself and have since lost over 100 pounds, started learning about other martial arts styles, and ended up taking a jiu-jitsu class. Everybody does martial arts for different reasons, I like to think most people know they won't be a UFC champion and are just training for personal fitness and improvement.
That's awesome, Mack! Something to be proud of. I train in boxing for fitness and self-confidence. I don't practice boxing so I can KO some robbers. If I ever get robbed, I'll just handover my wallet lol
yooo studying the blade and losing 100 lb is 2 word i never thought would go together in the same sentence
You’re awesome for what you’ve accomplished. Well done
“My hands are registered as lethal weapons”
lol, Fortunately, as a surgeon, my hands are not, :-)
Never seen those but there are people with registered child touching hands. You can look them up on an online list.
Bruce lee bs
Everyone's hands are registered lethal weapons. Assault is a crime lol. I will say though that the grain of truth to this is (and I've witnessed this in person) that police definitely treat belligerent competitive fighters very differently from other people... ...many also often act like all black people (including unarmed girls) are dangerous professional fighters. And nobody give me any lip because I've experienced this personally. You can either get mad and let my comment ruin your day or you can just accept this blatant fact for what it is and move on and be glad that nobody can accuse you of anything, the choice is yours lol.
I want to know what department your hands are registered in? Why cant anyone ever give me a clear answer on how lethal there hand are. I'm curious if so, did you have to go in front of some underground department of the city and give a demo of the lethal hands? Please dont say your hands are registered because of boxing golden gloves or a black belt. Most people have at least one black belt. Some have several. If there is such a comity for registering lethal hands I have heard about it for long time but haven't met anyone that has seen this comity. Only people who say there hands are registered. Honestly I stopped every martial art I've practiced at red belt or brown because of this stupid myth. If I thought my hands were leathal and should be registered. I wouldn't say a word about it. That's just me. I would treat that comity like mushrooms, feed them shit and keep them in the dark about any martial art. Being lethal is a serious indication and saying that is tossed around more ingeniunly than the love word.
I'm an old guy, don't give a scrap about this stuff anymore. I watch your channel because you're both amusing and sensible. It's a good combination. So many martial arts, workout, and even gun channels are way too serious. We need more jesters.
A jester. Well said. I think this recent "development" of Icy-Mike, is because he's out of ideas. He then tries to think of some clickbaits and trigger his audience by justifying the loony theories. I guess it's working because now I'm commenting more on these videos. It all started with those stupid karate board breaking videos; then he stated that "no martial art is _designed_ for smaller people", and now this BS. Another guy who has also lost it, is Joe Rogan. I cannot even look at the guy after he thought that Cuomo was curling 100 pound dumbbells with ease.
Master wong is funniest, however i dont he is funny on perpose. Ramsey Dewey is funny and talks like morpheus.. Some other karate blond guy is funny.
@@boshirahmed except master wong isn't even teaching proper martial arts. Just his bullshits. A good entertainer? Yes. A good martial art teacher? No.
@@attiylanen looks like you take life too seriously and can't reflect on your own opinions
Jesters are sometimes the wisest in the kingdom🍄🐇
"Yo, I'm going to self defense that dude over there."
"People with martial arts live out this fantasy that this need for their martial arts will arise and they are uniquely qualified." Icy Mike This is the same attitude I see in a lot of firearms communities. I'm glad someone has said it.
Oof. Sometimes I see this mentality in myself. Very few people in my religious community seem to train any sort of martial skill regularly, armed or not, and so I end up feeling kinda responsible for the safety of people in my community as a result. No problem when it's to protect people we care about, but sometimes I end up feeling like I'm 'called' to it and that's when the reality check kicks in... A little humility goes a long way, and especially when we don't really have a point of reference there's no reason to think we're all THAT special 😅
Andy McNabb used to talk about this all the time. He called it “fight fantasy.” It happens to everyone who trains.
Awesome quote. And funny cause its true.
"You're just out there chasing windmills" that's so fucking accurate, I definitely thought I was gonna be stopping robberies and muggings left and right when I first started martial arts. We're all Don Quixote on some level lol
Those windmills have it coming bro
Since I started boxing, one of the biggest things I've learned is that there are a whole damn lot of who can throw some mean shots against the bag. Some of them have Homer Simpson physiques, some of them are stick figures, some look like bodybuilders and others will look like yoga teachers. Makes you real humble walking the streets not knowing how much training anyone has.
When I was training, instead of feeling 'empowered', etc., I just realized how much I DIDN'T know and saw those around me as likely students as well.
Although for real, like you I have had a bunch of fantasies of stopping robberies and such with the awesome martial arts skills I would learn. Many of us have those. I think anyone who trains for long enough goes through a humbling phase.
@@stanleylee5358 you could not tell at my gym who can fight and who cant.
"Nobody's ever died from aikido" Steven Segal has entered the chat
I saw some young guy that wanted to walk it who was aikido. He went three rounds in an MMA fight lost the decision and swallowed so much blood from his nose that he was puking it up but I was proud of him. I complimented his courage and suggested he get some other type of training and said if you did that well it's a testament to your will and strength. He seemed like a really balanced nice kid. He said he started taking kick boxing after that.
@@darrellowings2343 Err why would he even do that? There aren't even punches in aikido, did he think he was just going to flip a trained fighter out of the ring or something? I actually love aikido, only trained about 3 months but it was great fun and has some nice techniques. But you'd have to be kind of delusional to think it is preparation for an mma fight. Most of it works best on a drunk fool who attacks you in a bar rather than a trained fighter. And for that it is kind of useful to have methods of controlling people with pain compliance, rather than just spin kicking their head off and landing yourself in jail.
@@ninjafruitchilled Yeah exactly but until he ended up throwing up his own blood for a day and a half he didn't know that. There's all kinds of reason why someone ends up investing a good portion of their life in aikido the primary probably it was close to the house and along the way you convince yourself you're getting something you're not. This guy was brave enough to go try and figure it out and open minded enough to admit what he found out. I wonder how many people got into it because of Segal. They saw those movies and were blown away. None of us know what we don't know. I just looked it I'm talking about Rokas the same guy he mentions as the only guy he knows ever to admit this. But I think there have been others not the least of which Bruce Lee and Joe Rogan. It's probably not that uncommon at some point for people to realize they don't have what they thought they had and then go out and get it.
Honestly though most people will be detered to attack him due to his super confidence.
I studied aikido for about 6 years. A few years in I saw a demo performed by another aikido dojo and was amazed by how different it was. Theirs was soft and fluid. They didn't throw punches. They emphasized chi, balance, and circles. They were a school of harmony and peace. In contrast, our dojo went at it. Haha. We would slam each other down and throw each other hard across the room and pin each other with ground fighting techniques. We learned how to roll and fall and when to tap out to avoid injury, but we weren't "gentle." We also threw punches (I boxed in college, too) and would occasionally basically spar. We also utilized leverage, balance, and the body's skeletal structure to perform our techniques. And my sensei was a big dude and a cop and took his job seriously, needed to know how to restrain and control others. I didn't understand for a while why aikido got a bad wrap. As with most forms of martial arts, there are a ton of styles of aikido, though most aren't oriented for combat. And I don't think any are ideal for MMA. It's just a different format. That said, there are certain lessons you can learn from some aiki schools. Balance and leverage, spacing, movement, etc.
"I'm too deadly to spar"
Translation "I'm a sloppy fighter who lacks control".
Alternate translation : "I'm going to pull a knife as soon as conflict arises"
@@My_Naginta No dude. You still need to practice your knife skills, and have full control with that as well. Just like empty hands. There's no excuse for being sloppy and a bad fighter.
"I'm too deadly to spar" is fancy talk for "I really suck at this" 😂😂
That's not at all what I'm saying. Saying you're too deadly is trying sound intimidating. It's the same with pulling a knife. Most people are smart enough to walk away from someone who has a knife. That way they imposed themselves from actually fighting
"My daughter will never use ballet in an effective fight." Are you sure? The worst ass-kicking my buddy ever got (streetfighting) was from a guy that danced ballet. I never give those guys grief.
Oh hell yeah, the abuse those guys go through for their art. They are monsters
Every martial artist I've ever met is like "yeah so I can benchpress a car and kill a marine with my pinky, but jesus those BALLERINAS man, they're fuckin something else". xD I love just how much respect this community has for them.
Ok, the fighter danced ballet. But which moves that he practiced in ballet class did he use to strike and beat your friend 🤷♂️
@@gellotion No striking moves, but the kind of exercise to build stamina and core strength to dance through a whole show and lift girls over his head, etc.
First month in a college Shotakan class, cute girl joined. We were practicing kicks and stretching. She did a perfect side kick and held it. And held, and held it..... and we got tired before she did. Sensei Mikami looked up at her and asked, "Ballet?" She nodded. He turned to the rest of the class, "I suggest you avoid getting kicked by her."
Im pretty worried Seth's going to get in an actual fight, try to side kick and get himself killed
I worry about that constantly
Hahaha
Lmfao
This is gonna sound so stupid but what is the problem with a sidekick? Speed? Vulnerability?
@@williamtownsend8679 there's nothing wrong with it. It's a meme on Sensei Seth's channel
"My hands are registered as deadly weapons" lol 😆
I refused to register, and I trained at home so the FBI can’t review the background check from joining a dojo.
I remember on Happy Days when Ralph Malph said this...and the hood facing him replied "So's the chain in my pocket" 🤣🤣🤣
Litterally half of Rokas's "Martial arts journey" videos start with "it didn't work" and "I got beat up".
Hey Mike ,this is exactly what happened to me, tho (not proud of this story haha but here goes): I've always been kind of an insecure guy in the face of violence because I'm a big/tall dude and I never had to really defend myself (as kids in school nobody messed with the big guy, the little ones were the ones who got all the "involuntary training"). So when I got older I felt less and less equipped to defend myself should the situation arise and started training Krav Maga (fucking Krav maga...). About a year and a half in, I had earned my first star etc (cuz they don't have belts because they're so friggin elite and dangerous...) and I was walking with my pals after a party. We got into an argument with another group and EXACTLY AND ONLY BECAUSE I had trained Krav Maga I made the brilliant decision to challenge one of the guys to fight me. Because I was SURE I could take him BECAUSE of my "training". I got my teeth kicked in (fake teeth are expensive, btw. So, don't do that), my nose broken, my orbital bone broken, my hand broken... Great night overall. After that I decided to quit Krav Maga, joined a thaiboxing gym, later on added boxing and then eventually moved on to MMA about 13 years ago now. Never got into a street fight again since. :) Long story short: there's ALWAYS that one idiot... :D
You mean I can't reach a level in Tai Chi where I can handle a ball of energy and hurl it across the soccer field without touching the opponent? Well, there goes 30 years of training!
🤔😆😂🤣
maybe you need to incude 100 pushups, 100 situps, 100 burpees and a 10km run every day ... oh yeah, constantly scream ... angrily :D
The qi energy crap is funny af xD bt it also isn't taiji not to mention that there is taiji & taijiquan. Sadly the frauds r giving a horrible name to tcma.
@@rudycuyno874 tcma? What does that mean?
@@Domzdream tcma=traditional chinese m.a^^
I was a hardcore karate guy. Until I realised, that the second I hit a guy I wasn't awarded a point, but a counter punch.
The teachers in my karate class teach for a whole fight not scoring points
May just be the most accurate and underrated comment ever posted! Thanks for the laugh!
@@burnerjack01 anytime mate
Love it
Clearly you weren't that hardcore in your Karate if your first real punch failed. Blaming Karate for that is like blaming the hammer for your swollen finger.
Mike- this has to be one of the most straight forward and REAL conversations about Martial Arts and the mindsets associated with them. Knocked it out of the park.
The main thing would be the person simply getting mislead, and having his time wasted on bs instead of the actual combat material.
The second biggest myth is : "Just kick them in the balls."
No joke. My family jewels caught a stick of oak that came flying out of a sanding machine, and I didn't drop. My co-workers swore to never fight me. There are more than a few people out there with high pain thresholds.
@@rallen7660 Not to mention the effect of some substances... I kicked a drunk asshole who was bothering my sis in the nuts and he didn't even flinch... Luckily the right hook to the jaw that immediately came next did the job... ^^
I have many beefs with this. Namely, the eyes and throat are easier to reach under a lot of circumstances. A friend of mine says that it's like stubbing your toe in the dark on the way to the bathroom. It doesn't really stop what you're going to do. You just curse and carry on. It might as well be Dim Mak or touchless punches with the way some people frame it. Heck, the same thing is sometimes known for happening with tasers -- some people outright just don't notice that they've been shocked.
It's not so much a myth as just unhelpful. The groin's not a _bad_ target. But _under what circumstances_ should your target it? How are you setting it up? What are you following up with? As a rule of thumb, any advice on any but the simplest of topics that begins with the word "just" is _probably_ being delivered by someone who doesn't know what they're talking about. It's like someone saying, "Just hit the ball into the hole." and acting like they just taught you how to play golf.
Have you tried doing it 10 times with real power? Trust me they will be worse than down.
I feel personally attacked 😅
I've never caught crusader vibes off you, homie... more like a uh... scientist maybe?
@@hard2hurt If an instructor tells some idiot that, for example, they can defeat multiple armed opponents... couldn't that lead to disaster? But, if it did happen, the "master sensei" probably wouldn't legally be blamed -- if anyone thought to blame them at all. As for being "innoculated to stress," that can happen even without proper self-defense training. Certain personality types (psychopaths for example) tend to handle stress very well.
Maybe you should
@@nihilozero that's his point. All that is hypothetical because no one has gotten themselves killed or badly injured because of fake martial arts. Disappointed with a black eye and pants stolen more likely.
@@Goteiii The question is whether or not fake master senseis can get you killed. Whether or not it's been reported or any of them have been held legally liable, isn't relevant. If you think they can cause someone to get a black eye or robbed, then it really shouldn't be a leap to expect that some percentage of their students might engage in even riskier behavior.
The biggest myth is that it isn't about fear. It *is* about fear. In the real world the massive adrenaline dump, that makes you feel as if you're in a dream, is 90% of the issue.
Most do martial arts because it looks cool not for self defence..fear is a taboo subject no one talks about.. Plus self defence classes need coaches with acting experience to act intimidating.. This is why security services use actors in role play scenario..
@@boshirahmed Waddaya mean? Teddy Atlas talks about that all the time. He talks about being calm in an uncalm environment being the key to good intelligent boxing all the time.
Yes, I'm convinced that's why with some styles it's important to be relaxed and calm when practising. So one associates that mental state with that movement. If something kicks off you still become adrenalised, you are aware of your hands shaking etc. It's just that part of your mind is able to think, it enters a sort of strange calm focused state and is able to function.
Well if you train something like boxing or Muay Thai for years and have done lots of sparring and maybe competed a bit you won’t be so afraid to get into a fight. That’s probably why it’s good to get into it, just to realize that a fist fight isn’t the end of the world and can be quite rewarding actually
Spar more so that you condition your body. If you are fighting all the time, a real fight won't cause an adrenaline dump---you will feel calm.
I have a lot of respect for you talking about how you have grown out of the "catfish fights" mode. You are definitely better than that.
haha.. I didn't catch the catfish fights reference in the video, but just yesterday there were a couple homeless gentlemen screaming at each other on the street next to the gym I train at, and I was joking with my friend that we could go over and pretend like we're trying to calm them down, but really goad them into a fight so we could practice our training in a real life scenario ;-)
@Poopy Butt you dont even know what a fascist is, do you?
Sparring is also a good way to discourage people to fight in the streets
Fighting is the last resort when it comes to most self defense situations. Psychological skills is more effective than any form of martial arts
but fighting is more fun
Yes, but having training in combat will help enhance your psychological/dimplomatic skills even further.
Special Forces veteran here. That's why we spent most of our time hypnotism training and studying Jordan Belfort dvds. 5 out of 6 days we honed our mental game, only one day for jumping jack, paintball and speedbag routine. And once a week, always friday night we watched The Notebook. We were unstopable persuading machines.
And even if you needed engage combat one good falcon punch it’s more than enough in most situations
Not many know how to teach that and those that do are terrible at marketing.
nice touch with the quixote statue. it seems mike was the big brain all along.
Probably the most honest commentary and critique of the Martial Arts, fake or otherwise, I have ever heard. Thanks for that and love your channel!
I feel click-baited, but I also REALLY like the message of this video... it’s very Ramsey Dewey-like tbh
This is like an unprecedented level of honesty.
You've exposed some of my insecurities, I'm still in that state of "wow I started training a few months ago I could totally take this guy" and I just wanna prove it, I'm just waiting to pass this phase
If you wanna prove it, then get into a real fight - with a consenting opponent, on an appointed date, with a valid referee, under stipulated rules, before a panel of judges! It's fun, it's a fair test, and it humbles you right up ;)
@@sensam6155 unless he rocks the guy.
"We would be hearing about it a lot". What would the news headlines for such stories look like?
I need to thank you mike. You are one of the reasons that I really stopped to evaluate what I thought I knew about self defense. Over the months later after layer of bullshit has been cleared up, and I realized how little I knew. I see the same growth in you as well, which is why I keep coming back to the channel, you help keep me grounded. Peace bro.
Mike I think this is best video you have ever done. One of the best martials videos period. I am in my 70s and have done martial arts for some time. I Iike your honesty and logic. Dont always agree but thats the spice of life as they say. Keep going!
Have you ever viewed the 'fight science' you tube channel with mark phillips? Usés à lot of cctv vids of actual street fights to teach from.
Good one Mike. I've always told people there is a difference in disciplines, there are martial arts, combat skills, and combat sports. They can be intertwined, but each one takes a different mindset, skillset, and commitment.
Fair point. Also makes me think of Alex Gong who was a champion Muay Thai fighter almost 20 years ago. Chased down the driver of a hit and run and was shot and killed. No one is invincible.
I haven't thought it out AND I'm extremely insecure so take that!
Damn my theory falls apart
Came for the clickbait. Stayed for the logic.
I wonder if he seen the Chinese guy going around exposing the fake China martial arts and he got arrested for it
@@drabnail777 Because communism?
@Rigoberto Roque Lucky guess...
I got into far more fights before I started training than I do now. Back then I was an arsehole, now I know better. If you don't have to get into a fight then don't bother, if it's unavoidable then do what you have to do to get out. The second biggest myth is that a specific martial art is better than the others rather than individual fighters being better than each other.
That's not a myth. Some martial arts are better for combat/self defense than others and that is pretty obvious and shouldn't even be up for debate.
@@Des420 Such as?
@@georgieman1910 Muay Thai hands down.
@@Des420 You mean muay Thai where it's mano a mano against one guy in a sport context with gloves, rules and regulations? I thought you said better for combat/self-defense not better for sport fighting.
@@georgieman1910 I'd rather fight with a aikido guy than a boxer,bjj or else guy...
"False confidence doesn't exist under stress!" I absolutely love this. It is so insightful. The bottom line is that you have to get hit a few times before you gain the real confidence to challenge someone in a situation where you may get hit.
"doesn't already have some kind of issues" = Key statement. Most people who find trouble often, are looking for it. I have trained for over 30 years and have rarely been forced to actually put my hands on someone. I can count them on one hand with a finger or 2 left over. Of all those I have trained with, the only people I know that have had to deal with a multitude of encounters are those that were either in law enforcement, in the military, prison guards, bar bouncers, or part of some security force. If you stay alert, and don't frequent places where illicit activities occur on a regular basis, the average person just does not encounter violence frequently. Albeit, it does seem to be growing in frequency, or maybe we just hear about it quicker now.
“Hard2Hurt”, does not apply to feelings.
Not killed just hurt. But also most fraudulent teachers say “ Never fight” 😂 like those tai chi fighters
"I haven't heard about it, so it doesn't happen." How often do you expect to hear about someone loosing a fight? The rarity of fights in western society doesn't magically absolve "fight" instructors from their responsibilities. I don't need to be a car mechanic, to make the bold claim that pretending to put airbags in people's cars is bad.
7:24 This seems to be forgotten by alot of martial art fans. Sometimes doing the spinning shit is fun, not everything needs to be boring and practical.
4:02 "Nobody's died from Aikido", yes they have, they're parents died, of shame...
I've spent 40 years learning ITF and a fencing instructor from what I seen most good fighters are trained by unhappy childhoods, mental ilness and a maniacal self belief that makes them incapable of living like a human being. The martial arts will make you a better fighter, you put in exroudenary efforts to do the exroudenary and then while you're opponents supprised and stunned you can escape, this must always the best option.
Do you mean thatthe best fighters are usually people who have severely struggled in life and not lets say the normal average joe?
@@dejanstojkovic8757 I worked with a romaine bare knuckle boxer in a abituar in England once he was the toughest fighter I've ever met, He only had one hand because someone in a pub made a blurting noise as he walked past and he dragged him out and beat on him with his fist for so long and hard that the bones where shaterd and the break became infected he kept his job but the police soon confiscated the hook, he couldn't read or write and kept his sons out of school because he didn't want them made sissy, instead the moment they could stand he put boxing gloves on them and had them beat each other uncounches if anyone thinks that training at a dojo a couple of times a week can prepare them for a fighter like that they are kidding them selves. The good fighers maintain a maniacal sence of self belief (they don't need to build up to a fight ) they will never back down no matter what they will never give up sooner or later that will end up with someone in prison it's has no place in the modern world.
the pressure/stress test hit home and I have been from one end of this spectrum to the other, defending and tearing down diffrent martial arts, finally finding a balance that resonates with your view. My own awakening came when I was attacked by several guys, and my low level non-stress tested karate was useless.
There is no multiple opponent martial art, it doesn't exist.
My first lesson on this was as a teenager my friend was a ta keon do black belt, he was excited to literally "kick the guys ass" he tried, this untrained fighter broke his face, he's attachment to that art, his confusion that why it wasn't working kept him in the fight for so long. He wouldn't have fought if he hadn't been gaslighted into thinking he was a great fighter.... it kept me away from all martial arts for a long time. I regret not starting sooner, cause I'm actually pretty good at striking. I'm just too old to pursue it....
The point at the end is pretty salient: people paying a bunch of money to be taught bad techniques is a problem in the same way all fraud is bad. The "getting people killed thing" doesn't ever need to be part of the calculation; it's just ego. Very good video, really made me think about something I've said many times without thinking because I've heard it from other people.
"My hands are registered as lethal weapons." Lol
False confidence can still be a thing before the stress. And false confidence can actually prevent the experience of stress in a situation where you absolutely have to experience stress. For example: when someone draws a knife and you think you can use your MMA to take him out.
IMO the biggest martial arts myth is that "self-defense" is mainly about knowing how to fight, or that a typical crime will happen in a way that your martial arts skills will actually become relevant. It's a myth that even I indulge in, despite my logical brain deep down knowing it's probably not true. The criminal would have to be: 1. Confronting you in a manner such that it's impossible for you to run away 2. Asking for more than just your money/property, and 3. Be dumb enough to give you a fighting chance
Biggest myth to me: reliable self defense. Martial arts, carrying weapons, etc. can help improve your odds of safety from violence, but nothing can guarantee your safety against someone who pulls a gun, or sneaks up on you and stabs you in the back, or runs you down in a car. Martial arts still have value in helping you be confident in confident in navigating confrontational situations with the potential for some degree of violence, but that's a far shot from keeping you safe from all threats.
☝🏻This, right here.
I did actually hear of someone dying from Aikido. Got thrown on their head, although it was in training and could be an urban myth. 🤷🏻♂️
That can happen in any grappling sport. But that seems less like the result of bad teaching and more like a one in a decade freak accident that every teacher tells their students to caution safety. Like splitting your head open because you were leaning back in your chair. It COULD happen, it might’ve happened ONCE, but not every teacher who tells students that has seen it happen, yknow?
I doubt Aikido can kill, even with a training accident.
I can totally see that happening. I took 3 years of Hapkido(Korean version) and we had to learn how to roll, fall, and get up before anything hands on and with good reason. You had have broken wrist, dislocated shoulder, fall on your head and break your neck because no one taught you how to fall. Oh yeah, you can get all jacked up.
@@blockmasterscott Yeah, I've injured my shoulder from a bad fall before, like you say can be pretty dangerous if you aren't careful and know how to fall properly.
I love your channel. This video is great and it is awesome that you have continued to evolve your thinking on issues like this. I also like that you call out your viewers and ask them to get introspective. Watching you work out some issues in real time is very helpful to people who may be stuck in their own head. I am trying to say ego is a trap and you are kind of showing people that reason, empathy, and humility are great tools to overcome it. Just let people enjoy things and worry about your own journey.
Well done video, much appreciated. Thank you for your insight, Mike! Your points are spot on.
"You'r just out there chasing windmills." I see what you did there...
I'm a very clever little boy.
Yeah classic stuff
Thanks to martial arts it has helped me get outta of situations *Headbutts work.
Great video. I'm been thinking something like this recently but you've put it into words brilliantly. Thanks.
This reminded me that I found that training in several arts, over decades, really helped me sort out the nonsense and self deception that arises in various disciplines and their communities. Especially since I love traditional MA. My big take away is that if you have never trained full power, full speed, and full contact for long duration or even multiple rounds; you should try that before you take it to the street. Because the average boxer or wrestler was doing that from day one. It’s at least worth considering. Because that’s a rare approach in traditional arts. Almost never I’d say. High standards and alive training with high stakes are a key component. If they’re missing, cool, just enjoy your traditional art with realistic expectations. Don’t fool yourself. Don Quixote reference, not missed.
I just remember Max Holloway saying he learned a move playing the* UFC game.
Im a Martial Arts Nerds ... I talk , discusses, understand and practice Martial Arts ... And a true Martial Artist can take a Punch and Pain .... Fake never had take a Punch to the face ... and Figthing allways hurt no matter which One wins
Your sentences need some study and practice... They hurt to read as is.
The only thing I can think of is people training in knife/gun defense and then instead of just giving the robber the money they try to fight them because they think, "I know how to take that from them." Dunning Kruger is a hell of a drug.
I really love the humble yet confident honesty my guy! Keep it up!
Never been this early
We needed to make sure we arent the dummies he addresses in the video
@@cameronhopewell641 I feel personally attacked. But yes.
Congrats?
Same
Last time I was this early he was teaching us how to use a child as a weapon 😁
Ouch, I got started in martial arts through Tang Soo Do, and the idea that my first martial art is a "fake" one kinda hurts. Just for perspective, I've done other things than just tang soo do, including muay thai, a little boxing, BJJ, wrestling, and a couple more. I wouldn't say that Tang Soo Do is any more fake than something like Thai Kwan Do, or any other traditional martial art. Yes we did forms, weapons, and board breaking, but its not like we never contact sparred. Yes, the focus wasn't on stress testing 24/7 but honestly I do think it laid a really good groundwork for the other things I did later. I'm not gonna say that its as good as mma or even BJJ, but absolutely depending on your studio Tang Soo Do isn't a "fake" martial art. Plenty of my classmates at the studio got into a fight at some point or another (teenage guys, like it was gonna happen eventually), and I think it served them pretty well. Break falls saved some kids arms from breaking, decent punching and guard technique kept people from getting their shit rocked, etc. I don't know, this post is totally unnecessary, but I felt compelled to defend my first combat sport and the one I've spent the most time in to date. Edit: I wanted to point out that I saw a comment about point sparring, and everyone in my studio recognized that point sparring, contact sparring and fighting were three different things, and we practiced two of them. The fundamentals of footwork, balance, reach, etc. from point sparring are about the only things you can bring over to fighting. Contact sparring is a bit better, but obviously getting hit by a 12 ounce glove through your 12 ounce glove is different then getting caught above the eye by a bare knuckle.
Started with Tang Soo Do as well, not sure why it gets a bad rap
I'm getting really quality time seeing the journey You are experiencing Mike. I like this channel more and more. Actually i started to train recently (boxing), taking Your advice about choosing the style. And this is just awesome. Keep up great work.
The person who gets hurt or killed is somebody who thinks they won't be attacked. People who have never been under stress freeze and stare at the attack that is incomming.
This is one of the best videos on KZhead. Not even because of martial arts. Critical thinking and honest self reflection are not as prevalent as they need to be in our society. Wisdom requires humility, and honesty. Thanks, Mike.
Last time I was this early was my first day of work.
You have a great channel with awesome vids iceman
A lot of honesty here Mike. Kudos to you.
Mike's logic is a labyrinth.
Well said man. Unfortunately, after Roka's video, many martial arts "experts" went out and try to save every Aikido practitioner and a lot of hate was brewed towards Aikido. Like you said, no one ever died because of Aikido, and Aikido people should be left alone to practice their art for whatever benefit they get out it. Too many MMA gym bro's meatheads keyboard saving everyone.
Funny story...I did "serious" martial arts as a kid through to my 20s...got to use it in highschool to finally get bullies off me. Big win. At about 20 I was past that "never going to fight as an adult". I switched to armored sword fighting hobby...not at all relevant to self defense unless I pick up a stick. I didn't throw punches or kicks for almost 2 decades...then at age 40 I got in a real fight. My wife was driving and there was road rage, two 20somethings literally blocked off our vehicle and jumped out to yank her from the car and beat her ass....I jumped out...here it is...that once in a lifetime Martial Arts wet dream. Dude...I couldn't fight. I kicked one dude in the stomach as hard as I could after he dodged all my crappy punches and he laughed at me and called me an old man. I ended up resorting to wrestling even though I never studied wrestling....luckily it turned out ok. While I was fighting the wife got a stick out of the back of our truck and entered the fray...and the dudes eventually spit... that's the short version. She got punched in the face once and had a sore jaw for a month. I was fine (my defense held up wel but I had no offense). Since then I started hitting heavy bag and kicking and generally practicing fighting stuff. Also switched to buhurt where it's much more like a real fight and not stick tag...I would destroy those kids now....but that was once in a lifetime and I missed it.
Icy Mike is one of the best guys out there when it comes to make sense of self defense, martial arts etc... Simply Great!
When I was in high school I Tae Kwon Do point sparred against a bully thinking it would be effective. If my old instructor told young me that I was learning foot fencing instead of combat prowess, I wouldn’t have got in that fight. Or I would have found a different school. Long story medium, I looked like a bitch.
On top of all this, violence is a pretty uncommon thing. Most people don't get into fights. And a lot of the people that do, are seeking them (consciously or not). Can't die in fight because you tried to use Aikido if you are never put into a situation where you'll need to defend yourself. And you likely will never be.
Excellent logic. I also propose that car manufacturers should stop putting airbags in cars. Most people never need them anyway.
@@jeronimo196 I think maybe you replied to the wrong comment.
@@fauxbravo Hey, you can never die because of an issue with your airbag, if you don't get in a car accident. Volkswagen should just advise people to avoid accidents, instead of mucking about with quality control. As long as bullshido masters tell people not to fight, they are in the clear, right?
@@jeronimo196 Bro, who are you arguing with? Haha. What is happening right now?
@@fauxbravo sorry, just needed to vent. hard2hurt got on my nerves by sounding so very reasonable and talking nonsense at the same time.
I'd love to hear a conversation with you and Rob from McDojo Life, as their upcoming documentary is largely based around the very idea that this type of training and/or con tactics can get people hurt or preyed upon physically, financially or otherwise.
People get stabbed by knives and shot by guns all the time though. Many of these take place during muggings and robberies. Who knows how many of these situations could've been prevented if the victim didn't try to be a hero and didn't attempt their bad "knife disarms" or "gun disarms" that don't work that they learned from their McDojos instead of complying, escaping, or utilizing another option or skill to overcome their attacker(s). So yes. Bad teaching can get people killed who otherwise would not have been killed.
What I hate the most is the belt ranking systems!
In my opinion, on bjj it makes me work harder, set goals for myself etc.
Belt systems only make sense if you want to use them as a way to organize how you're going to teach the students. Aside from that, it's only an ego boost, and that's why where I train we did away with actual belts and we replaced them with "stages", that are exactly the same thing except there's no colored thingy around your hip to show off, and only teachers wear a slightly different uniform just so everyone can easily tell them apart at a glance (for context, it's a relatively big kung fu school, and all other kung fu schools in the city use belts except us)
Ok, who wouldn't give you a black belt? 🤣
@@Ottepeg89 lol but the question is which one not tkd but probably judo black belt lol 🤣🤣🤣
@@jonathanrojas7121 haha good man 🤣
Excellent video. Thanks for making this!!!
This is the most humble and honest video I have seen on this channel! Well said, you have my respect!
Is icy Mike becoming mature Mike? His hairline reflects that!!
Do a video on Judo, pros and cons, use in the “streets” without the Gi, etc.
@@ModernTruthRevelation I'm on the opposite side with kickboxing and boxing background and now I wish I had judo or wrestling so I can subdue a guy without a bruise or whatever. You make me think bjj is a way to go instead.
@@ModernTruthRevelation hey man that happens to best of us lol. We all wanna sound badass at one point or another especially when you got the skills.
The way you talk about stuff is what made me subscribe to your channel lol. Keep it up!!!
I love the typing gesture as you mention the pretenders
"I'm gonna go self defense that dude to defend that fair lady"- half of jackie chans movies lmao
Another thing to keep in mind is that a lot of so-called "fake" martial arts simply have a greater purpose for the practitioners other than self-defense. They are often as much about mental strength, spirituality, meditation, overall health and fitness, etc., as they are about fighting. So it's easy to call them "fake" if you look at it purely through the lens of going out and getting into fistfights with people. But if you think about it, that's like calling runway fashion "fake fashion" because you'd never wear it on the street, or trap shooting "fake shooting" because you're not shooting real animals.
This is amazing. You're my inspiration in that you're very self-reflective and honest.
Love your logic and self awareness. The mindset that is ruining us is "if they're wrong, I must be right".
Great advice for us all! Ecclesiastes 1:9 “The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.” If my ego drives me to think I'm something special, better than everyone else, the only one that has the right idea, the right information, knows the right way, then I am in trouble.
I like how when I started this video it has 5 views and 21 likes 😂
this is one of the most honest videos i have ever seen, i can relate and agree, if you like the "not so serious stuff" the do you. i lived in an aikido dojo for three months, it was one of the best times i ever had.
Remember the old videos. This was a really insightful one. Also got me thinking about how the whole thesis-anti-thesis thing really does seem to play out in all areas of life, including martial arts.
I always must laugh when some self-claimed "Martial Arts"- or "Self defense"-experts talk about palmstriking "the nose in the brain". Deadly funny, but no understanding of anatomy.
I heard this in my first judo class when I was 11-12, so circa 1972. Bruce Tegner tried to dispell this myth at least 10 years earlier than that, but it still hangs in there.
All it takes is a year or 2 of boxing/muay thai and some type of grappling and you can teach people good self defense.
There are some parts of self defense that cannot be taught in a meaningful way. First I will define what teach means to me. To teach you, first I show you how, then you practice how, and finally you stress test what you have learned. There are certain bits of Self defense can be taught in this way, like attitude, awareness, getting hit and still be able to think. However, if that is not sufficient, then it's going to get ugly and it's my hard bits against your soft bits. The ugly parts can't be taught in a meaningful way given my definition of teaching. Stress test elbow to the nose? Who comes back for a second class.
@@furryfuttock4614 You need to have some type of sparing even if it's only at 75%
@@luckylarry3090 I do, sometimes less than 75%, sometimes a bit more and I have the cracked ribs to show it. Hahaha. Haven't cracked a rib since I learnt to twist away from a side kick though. All that means is that I know fights hurt and I know a few ways to hit and kick back. Nothing more, nothing less. I would never deign to say that I know self defense.
I’m so glad to have found you years ago! You are great mike! No weird shit, but keep it up brother. Hope the family is well. Would like to see an update on all the kids and wife!
Exactly. Of course that line, too deadly to spar, made me chuckle.