I wanna see all breakdance. If anyone can mop the floor in a breakdancing comp, it seems a gymnast would have an upper hand in the situation! XD
@aazhie Жыл бұрын
@@aazhie he has a couple videos where the division 1 gymnasts try some of the breakdance moves and it's amazing watching these dudes with intensely trained bodies fail at doing routines these dancers are doing. Then there's that one guy that pulls it off to show the rest up :D
@Trahloc Жыл бұрын
As someone who admittedly doesn’t know much about gymnastics, I’ve always found the dance elements of the women’s floor routines to be so disjointed 💀 it always felt like they would do the most impressive tumbling passes we ever see but then they’re forced to stop and do the cha cha slide for like 30 seconds so it could be called a “dance” routine. Either both men’s and women’s floor should be focused on the tumbling passes, or there should be some way to integrate tumbling and dancing more smoothly so it doesn’t feel like “okay I gotta stop and boogie down for a bit for ‘artistic merit’ “
@MichelleD2023 Жыл бұрын
True, it looks awful
@gummynoodles9036 Жыл бұрын
off topic but that probably was the funniest yt comment I have ever read 💀 not the cha cha slide
@saddo.masochist Жыл бұрын
College athletes, at least the top ones, seem to incorporate dance elements pretty well. Elite gymnasts on the other hand seem to be less fluid with it, but their routines are longer and more complex
@madelineleighyoung1748 Жыл бұрын
Cha cha slide 😂😂😂😂
@anneb889 Жыл бұрын
i agree 😭
@nekesa6429 Жыл бұрын
As a former gymnast I really liked messing around on the rings I wished women’s gymnastics allowed use of the rings on a competitive level
@dynogamergurl Жыл бұрын
They don't allow it because you women can't do it
@c.h.u.d Жыл бұрын
@@c.h.u.d tf? What do you even mean lmao. It's a skill just like everything else something you train to learn. I'm a girl, I love doing tricks on the rings. Just like how a guy has to learn and train the skill to master it, so would I. But my being a woman isn't a factor. Just time and opportunity
@elliesdream247 Жыл бұрын
@@elliesdream247 females can't do rings on the same level as men
@@elliesdream247 Ok so heres the thing: The rings require mostly arm and upper body strenght. And women, no matter how hard they might train, could never get the same results as a man who trained it. This is also the reason why you don't see 16 or 17 years old guys competing against the top male gymnasts internationally, because their bodies are at a natural disadvantage that can't be simply pushed aside even by a lot of training. The only way to incorporate the rings into womens gymnastics would be to change the routines and exercises completely. But at that point it probably wouldn't be very interesting, because the whole strenght aspect would be missing which is crucial to mens rings.
@los_zanji10 ай бұрын
Male athletes get to just be athletes. Female athletes have to look pretty while they do it. I wonder what would happen if the women were allowed to just focus on the athletics, or if the men had to look pretty, too? Either way, I'd love to see it!
@MagpieCat9 ай бұрын
This is part of why there has been push back now that more and more women in gymnastics are moving more towards strength and athleticism as opposed focusing on just looking pretty.
@marywood87947 ай бұрын
Hopefully they see Wushu as an option. Men and women perform the same
@kristoffereberius24767 ай бұрын
Nobody would watch them. 😂
@fast1nakus7 ай бұрын
Men would look silly and women's sports would be like mens... but worse.
@DenerWitt7 ай бұрын
Yes, it's called a drag show and butch.
@beckyd35467 ай бұрын
I want men's floor to have required dance elements and music.
@gatordragon8824 Жыл бұрын
I've seen men do balance beam and uneven bars and they do it so well.
@mdml0 Жыл бұрын
Same it would be so fun to watch
@avery3893 Жыл бұрын
Give me that street dance floor routine!
@AabluedragonAH Жыл бұрын
No, I’d rather see women get the option to do only tumbling.
@Appaddict01 Жыл бұрын
95% of male gymnasts would hate that rule change. we’re used to what we’re used to and we like to leave the dance elements to the girls
@dazc Жыл бұрын
Another significant difference is that women generally compete at the Olympic level when they are in their teens. Men’s gymnastics favors an adult body and musculature.
@zoundstreetop Жыл бұрын
You start being old for most "air" and acrobatic stuff after puberty ends, as a guy. It's stuff like rings and similar things that require the typical adult male strength that prolong a male gymnasts life in competition. I remember saying I was getting old for tumbling at the age of 19, and I went for the rings. We get stronger, but less agile. It is just what it is, gymnastics are very physically demanding sports, regardless of female or male modalities, and you pass your prime at a very young age.
@rrs_13 Жыл бұрын
@@rrs_13 it probably also has something to do with size. 🙃 physics
@zoundstreetop Жыл бұрын
@@zoundstreetop I'm not tall by any means, and when you get into competitive gymnastics either it thwarts your growth or you get too tall to be competitive so you leave. It's really about being able to keep the extremely fit shape that is required for stuff like tumbling, and the strenuous training it requires. I had two crushed disks at the age of 21, and I quit my dreams of being a ninja (joking) very early because my wrists and ankle cartilages were just used up, and to this day every step I take my ankles crack; according to our club's physician, tumblers often get to their 20's with the joint wear of a 40 year old. The ability of your body to tolerate extreme joint abuse is also something that filters gymnasts.
@rrs_13 Жыл бұрын
Yeah unfortunately for females, puberty causes your hips to get wider and heavier cuz the female body prioritizes fertility over physical strength and agility. Most girls I knew growing up (myself included) hit a bit of a plateau in their progress once they hit puberty.
@jennabell799210 ай бұрын
Isn't the average age of the women at the Olympic level rising? Thirty years ago, a woman was at her gymnastics peak at 14-18 years. Simone Biles did not get that memo.
@jeffthechristian30109 ай бұрын
I’m female but always did men’s gymnastics cause I hated beams and loved rings. I was amazing at it and was the first girl to cross over. It was fun and I’m glad they let me.
@emtorres4063 Жыл бұрын
That's awesome. Do you have any videos? I've never seen a woman on the rings
@Bishop_of_Llandaff9 ай бұрын
@@Bishop_of_Llandaff I can remember the last time _I_ have either. Same question here!
@ivoryas16969 ай бұрын
@@leol9257 Bruh, what?
@ivoryas16968 ай бұрын
@@leol9257Bruh be quite weirdo
@bottomtext2518 ай бұрын
@@leol9257may 'she' identified herself as a female
@silentbliss76668 ай бұрын
It's kinda weird how performative women are forced to be compared to men. Like the actual physical achievements aren't interesting enough to watch them do it. Or like men aren't allowed to add an artistic/performative element. It's kinda odd. You'd think if all of them do awesome stuff in floor and people think "this would be even better with music and cool moves" then... surely that would be the case for all of them...
@kaboomsihal1164 Жыл бұрын
There used to be lots of other moves allowed that are outlawed in both categories now (ostensibly for safety) but it made the routines so much less creative and interesting to watch. I truly believe there is a fear among judges that if the men are allowed dance or other 'expression' then the judges would feel uncomfortably questioning if that makes them homosexual to be looking at other men's bodies so intently to judge them.
@deborahhanna9126 Жыл бұрын
Its not that deep. Why is every difference suddenly a sign of societal and political injustices?
@roddo19556 ай бұрын
@@roddo1955 "it's not that deep" then what is the problem? Why can't they wear whatever works for them? Your comment is a lovely example of the dead fish in every discussion. Contributes nothing and tries to win by making everyone disgusted by them. No. It's not "deep". It's very simple and surface level. Which is why it only takes a tiny shred of common sense to see that this is idiocy in the name of gender stereotypes. There is no reason to not let them wear whatever they want since clearly both options are suited for the sport. No reason at all if what you are in the sport for is simply an appreciation for their physical achievements and artistic performance.
@kaboomsihal11646 ай бұрын
This is why I love figure skating, for this exact reason
@ceilipatrick44814 ай бұрын
@@kaboomsihal1164 How did you change the conversation from the routines to the outfits? Those are 2 different conversations. In your first comment, you mentioned only the routines and that's what @roddo1995 commented on. Now you've changed the entire topic to outfits.
@anon5513 ай бұрын
And the men don't have to keep an insipid smile on their face the whole time during their routine.
@neolithic3 Жыл бұрын
it's pretty common in a lot of performance artists for performers to smile as otherwise looks like they are miserable and don't want to be there
@holliswilliams8426 Жыл бұрын
Is there a rule requiring ladies to smile during their routines?
@frankmartinez2987 Жыл бұрын
@@holliswilliams8426 except they aren’t really artists in that sense. They’re athletes. And no matter what sport, athletes shouldn’t have to worry that the judges think they’re mean mugging them while their body is experiencing several Gs of force.
@Panda-xd5ey Жыл бұрын
They also do more passes...
@x6da9crain Жыл бұрын
Nice use of "insipid" 👌🏿
@MisticStyles Жыл бұрын
The difference is that women’s gymnastics is sexualised and men’s isn’t. The skimpy leotards are a requirement women have protested to change. The floor routines are the worst offender by far though as women have to perform to music to show off a glorified contemporary ballet dance with ribbons or hoops or balls rather than the form and athleticism in men’s floor routines. It’s so stupid that the women also do crazy floor tumbling feats but are required to stop that flow to do the fucking Macarena while men’s is focused purely on form. Either make the men also do a dance routine or make the women stop.
@T-Law. Жыл бұрын
men also do unathlectic dance routines just not with ribbons like women he even said that in the video
@paul-ye3ut Жыл бұрын
dude stop simping, the men have dance elements and I'm fairly certain that 90% of the women would probably keep dance elements if they had the choice as it helps them get into the flow of the routine
@holliswilliams8426 Жыл бұрын
@@paul-ye3ut But they are not required to by the rules, thats the point
@tobene Жыл бұрын
Uhh...have you not seen the men also having to compete in form fitting skin tight tops and the only reason they are allowed to wear shorts is because otherwise you'd see the dudes dicks and balls struggling to breathe. Women don't have the equipment on the outside down there and so there's nothing to cover up that would detract form the sleekness of the look. Stop simping so hard that you can't use common fucking sense.
@rpsnider85 Жыл бұрын
You are confusing artistic and rhythmic gymnastics in your comment I think.
@MadFlenser Жыл бұрын
As a figure skating fan, the lack of music for men’s floor is so weird to me. Like imagine if male skaters just went out and did three jumps and a spin in complete silence while women still had to do full programs.
@katereagon4299 Жыл бұрын
One gets to wear clothes, and the other is forced to wear underwear
@MRSD4511 ай бұрын
Oh the men have on very tight clothes too. One of things i love about the sport. Shows off the butt and bulge.
@johniii81477 ай бұрын
You mean, one is forced to wear clothes and the other gets to wear underwear
@Lord.alucarD7 ай бұрын
@@Lord.alucarD yeah, nobody wants to see the dudes like that, or any chance of it flopping out. Men and women are different. Let's stop fantasizing otherwise.
@timl97247 ай бұрын
@@timl9724okay so the women have to be in basically underwear to perform so guys can get a look and you see no issue in that because "men and women are different", got it.
@moufettepokla58777 ай бұрын
@@moufettepokla5877 nah. Truthfully, both sexes would benefit from as little clothing as possible from a practical standpoint. But since sport is for spectators, nobody wants to see naked men flipping around.
@timl97247 ай бұрын
Also... guys don't have to wear speedos
@KM-rt5jj Жыл бұрын
Neither do women… they chose to
@Spryzen_ Жыл бұрын
@@Spryzen_ Women wear what is required, there is no choice.
@Ihchkciyiyhgifuofyr555 Жыл бұрын
@@Ihchkciyiyhgifuofyr555there literally is but ok
@jordanfires9777 Жыл бұрын
@@Spryzen_it's literally a set rule and when women have protested in the past by wearing shorts/leotards, they've gotten disqualified. Don't try to mansplain something you know nothing about
@woobeewooo Жыл бұрын
@@woobeewooo @abc Women can choose nowadays, they can wear full length unitards. They dont need to wear those thight and ugly speedo things. The german gymnasts in the 2021 olympic showed it
@1nicerboy176 Жыл бұрын
One thing I hate about women's gymnastics (that I don't notice in men's) is that they're required to smile all throughout the routine. And they're required to smile when they stick a landing. It's stupid, performative and feels very out of touch with the reality we live in today but idk.
@neldormiveglia1312 Жыл бұрын
Same with the dance part
@irok1 Жыл бұрын
i may be wrong but i think men are specifically banned from smiling while doing skills
@wowie2358 Жыл бұрын
Men ARENT ALLOWED to smile, and a gymnast in the 40s once smiled as a protest and kept getting points off
@mossystone584 Жыл бұрын
Whoa! I never thought of this! Definitely needs to be updated. How ridiculous.
@80sGamerLady Жыл бұрын
@@mossystone584 Now that's equally as stupid. I wish all gymnasts had the freedom to do their routine without feeling like they need to restrict or force themselves to "perform" to please the audience. Like, I understand there is a level of complexity that's added when the athlete needs to stay aware of what their whole body expresses, but not being allowed to smile if you want to smile or viceversa is evil.
@neldormiveglia1312 Жыл бұрын
LET THE MEN DANCE
@Oporteo Жыл бұрын
They don't want to dance, thank you very much.
@jesin00058 ай бұрын
How about no?
@yyyy-uv3po7 ай бұрын
We dont want to
@BrazilianImperialist7 ай бұрын
The women should stop "dancing", if you can even call it that. Just do the crazy tumbling and leave out the kindergarten choreographies.
@viosavvy7 ай бұрын
They have already done break dance 😅
@catmatism7 ай бұрын
I think it should be split into artistic and strength gymnastics with both genders being able choose which they partake in
@reubenbryce1493 Жыл бұрын
Common sense has never been louder.. I mean see figure skating, speed skating and the other type of skating, people are free to choose which they wanna do
@nickeni305011 ай бұрын
Have you asked any gymnasts about this idea? Because I’m not sure most of them would like this idea lol
@noahlin84847 ай бұрын
@@noahlin8484why not
@erikburzinski82486 ай бұрын
@@erikburzinski8248 because most gymnasts I’ve talked to don’t want that; it’s just people outside of gymnastics pushing for a change most of us don’t want. Also the strength category would be completely dominated by men and vice versatile for artistic.
@noahlin84846 ай бұрын
@noahlin8484 it can still be devided by gender but the sport itself would allow you to choose which you went into backed on your own will
@erikburzinski82486 ай бұрын
I hated having to do the dance stuff in my floor routine. I would have taken dance if that's what I wanted.
@momogoes3329 Жыл бұрын
You should have to twerk
@nonplayablecharacter4815 Жыл бұрын
Interestingly, as someone who took dance for 10 years, I was more into the technique and precision. The worst part was costumes, performances and smiling. Fortunately that's not too often.
@KateLate____9 ай бұрын
Me too and I also hated beams when I was a kid. Always ran to the rings and parallel bars, then coach would yell at me... and then I left. 😂
@SoulFullOfMusic817 ай бұрын
This doesn't answer the question in the comment displayed at the beginning. It asked _why_ they are different, not _how._
@MikeDCWeld Жыл бұрын
Good observation.
@jdm36569 ай бұрын
Lets be real tho we all know the why. 🙄
@LilChuunosuke9 ай бұрын
Exactly 😅
@ES117778 ай бұрын
Because men and women are different, they have different skills, flexibility and strength, duh.
@_Diana_S7 ай бұрын
@@_Diana_S thank you, I was trying to find a comment that wasn't just "why do they sexualize women so much" its literally not even that bad. And most women enjoy the dance aspect of floor.
@briannalafrance83836 ай бұрын
Super informative video with no bias about what's "better" or "harder" or whatever. Thank you for the education!
@MinaSteph Жыл бұрын
Yes, unlike most comments...
@petros_adamopoulos7 ай бұрын
It should be simple for the women in gymnastics. If they wanna do a dance routine no one should stop them on the floor but if they don’t they shouldn’t be required to do it.
@universewithinart2838 Жыл бұрын
I want the mens to have to do a gravity defying flip then the Macarena too !!
@_musiclvr Жыл бұрын
men do multiple gravity defying flips the start breakdancing
@paul-ye3ut Жыл бұрын
Thankfully, most of the world doesn't want what you want.
@timl97247 ай бұрын
i like that you seem to have posted clips of the GOAT of each event when you mention them! nice details!
@b_zhang Жыл бұрын
How is Biles the GOAT of balance beam? 😂😂😂😂
@leykimayri Жыл бұрын
@@leykimayri i think it’s pretty self explanatory
@peytonjames374 Жыл бұрын
@@leykimayri isn’t that kinda obvious though?😂
@Weeping-Angel Жыл бұрын
@@peytonjames374 No it isn’t, Biles is not even close of being the GOAT of balance beam, lol
@leykimayri Жыл бұрын
@@Weeping-Angel No it isn’t, unless one is an idiot. Are you one?
@leykimayri Жыл бұрын
i wish they both had all the same events (not taking away any events from either, but adding on the ones the they don’t have)…it’d be nice, and for the floor routines to both have music, or if they choose..to not have music and dance elements
@emifukakado-msjoke Жыл бұрын
I get it, but it would ultimately diminish the women.
@cobbler88 Жыл бұрын
you can't have the same events on both sides, each gender has different types of training so it wouldn't work. buut i could see the men's gymnastics doing an artistic routine on floor
@n4nao4 ай бұрын
@@n4nao when the different events are added, training would changes as well to include what would be needed for the new events.
@emifukakado-msjoke4 ай бұрын
I do gymnastics. I focus on my six male events. But on off days, I will go tumble the beam or do some unofficial and quite gnarly uneven-bar techniques. Gymnastics is actually very rigid and strict, but I do account my screwing around on the girls equipment as part of my strength and agility training.
@TheJRomans Жыл бұрын
Simone is just next level in terms of her abilities
@TCt83067695 Жыл бұрын
Fr I saw that and I thought my phone was glitching!
@a4.10.10 Жыл бұрын
She even has the ability to quit and still be seen a hero lol
@aaronsmall1394 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, her black fragility is indeed next level.
@themonsterunderyourbed9408 Жыл бұрын
Too bad she's so mentally damaged she can't do anything anymore
@ChiTownOriginator Жыл бұрын
@@themonsterunderyourbed9408 you're so bitter and hateful it's actually sad to witness
@checkmattee222 Жыл бұрын
Difference: women are sexualized unjustly in gymnastics for pervy men, men are not. Why not let men have music and sexy outfits in their routines too? 🤔
@uriarteh Жыл бұрын
huh💀
@Numbll Жыл бұрын
Sexualize 👏male 👏gymnasts 👏
@fromthemasses_tothemasses Жыл бұрын
True😂
@kkepy Жыл бұрын
Even sexier?
@walterhofer937 Жыл бұрын
Your comment seems so out of pocket yet it's so undeniably true once you compare women's athletic attire to men's. Even in middle and high schools, girls' uniforms are 5× more revealing than the guys' for absolutely no good reason.
@allycat9592 Жыл бұрын
uneven bars is the best gymnastics event overall. It's just so cool to watch, so many interesting things they can do with them.
@stratdax4028 Жыл бұрын
That was not the question. They asked WHY.
@patriciaverso9 ай бұрын
I wish I did gymnastics at a younger age, but I would want to do all of the events. Like, imagine having the balance, grace, and flexibility of women’s gymnastics mixed with the intense strength and endurance of men’s gymnastics. You would be the pinnacle of humanity 🤩
@happyface- Жыл бұрын
Exactly!! Thanks for posting. I’m a women’s gymnast and my friends get asked if they do the rings and stuff. I’m like no! We only have 4 events lol Edit: guys please stop the contention on my comment. Everyone deserves respect
@katejoyofficial Жыл бұрын
Yes
@sportsstars4182 Жыл бұрын
Yes
@hudsonkerby2037 Жыл бұрын
Yes
@40appl3tab Жыл бұрын
Beam is fun tho.
@bloodrainicorn6193 Жыл бұрын
Powerlifters with 3 events and weightlifters with 2 events be like 😐
@ASVAS Жыл бұрын
Jesus Christ, these people are so impressive. Gymnastics look so difficult and when they pull it off it's like they're weightless.
@MMUTG3R Жыл бұрын
Men's events are typically focused more on power and agility. Women's events are more focused on balance and flexibility.
@hexsystem7891 Жыл бұрын
I think the biggest difference is that the men don't have to be constantly removing their leotards from their butts!
@tracyrain4941 Жыл бұрын
Just like women's gyms, women have the option to not wear those swimsuit looking leotards but choose not to. Wonder why.
@IkesPimpHand Жыл бұрын
@@IkesPimpHand Its has not been officially added to the code there is no choice only one german team protested this but it has not been officially added... what can you not comprehend? Men☕️
@OreoCookie324 Жыл бұрын
@@OreoCookie324 worthless femoids ☕
@IkesPimpHand Жыл бұрын
@@IkesPimpHand shut up, you tool
@pingvinai_irgi_zmones Жыл бұрын
@@IkesPimpHand are you a bot? Cause i see you everywhere.
@chucksglory7881 Жыл бұрын
Big fan of both, but they are so different. The skills required to do rings vs. those required to do beam are leagues apart and really impressive in their own ways.
@kl8062 Жыл бұрын
They are, but even Nastia has done videos about how the women would not be able to compete with the men in any event, men's or women's. We have to appreciate them for their differences, but are better off not playing "who is best."
@cobbler88 Жыл бұрын
@@cobbler88 No, they are certainly better off playing to each sex’s strengths. Men’s beam would not be watched very much and the training for it does not align hardly at all with the events men tend to do best in, meaning they either have to spend time training for an event they are simply nowhere near as good at and in ways that hold back the events they are good at. For example, it’s difficult to learn how to do a flare on the pommel horse. You need strength, power, and coordination. It is also difficult to learn how to do a back walkover on the beam. You need flexibility, grace, and balance. The training for each are completely opposite, and training both side by side actually works to impede the others as learning the control needed for beam will also train you to be less powerful and explosive like you need on pommel, the flexibility you need for beam will make it more difficult to gain the strength needed for pommel, etc. Then you gotta think about the business side. You are now holding events that will retain less viewers. Comparatively not very many people will enjoy watching a man on a beam or a woman on the rings. They simply aren’t as good at it as the other sex, making it similar to the NBA and WNBA across different events, requiring one to take up the slack of the other, costing both. It is simply better the way it is. Of course a few changes can be made and should be made when and if necessary, but completely changing the sport’s structure isn’t it.
@Noodlepenis Жыл бұрын
@@Noodlepenis I think I wrote in another thread that the men would be better but have to give up some size that's important in their own apparatus, so just keep them separate.
@cobbler88 Жыл бұрын
Basically guys get to do full on gym except that one weird break dance, while girls have to be near bare skinned, dance around and smile while they try to preform or they aren’t good enough.
@Jade_18728 ай бұрын
Sounds about right. Women have to perform and dance and men get to do sport.
@alchemy33688 ай бұрын
@@alchemy3368 Yeah, because dancing isn't sport 🤡
@los_zanji7 ай бұрын
@@los_zanjiit's not, that's why we have two different words for them
@fast1nakus7 ай бұрын
@@fast1nakus My man really things ballet isn't sport haha
@los_zanji7 ай бұрын
@@los_zanji what's the competition in ballet? Is Streapteas also a sport for you?
@fast1nakus7 ай бұрын
Anyone who can do those astounding feats are extremely athletic. This comes from years of training, working, and practicing to the detriment of every other aspect of your life. Is one group better than another? They are all incredible specimens of physical development.
@jerryschramm4399 Жыл бұрын
I hope they get rid of the music and dance crap. It’s beneath the dignity of elite athletes to compulsorily dance.
@cupcakeordeath Жыл бұрын
the sad part is that they're hardly treated as elite athletes, they're treated as eye candy and softcore p
@innocehnt75 Жыл бұрын
Right, because dancers could never be elite athletes…
@mook_butt8037 Жыл бұрын
@@innocehnt75lmfao stop the crack
@strangerthings88 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, fuck figure skating, artistic swimming, dressage, and artistic gymnastics. These are lower forms of sports cause they have to dance.
@pabrodi Жыл бұрын
I don't want them to get rid of it. I just wish they'd have a category for both men and women that requires dance, and a category for both that doesn't require it.
@NoriMori1992 Жыл бұрын
I swear Simone has found a way to defy gravity. That girl is the definition of dynamite in small packages. She has more power in her tumbling than any other gymnast that I can think of
@gothgirl4evr881 Жыл бұрын
Men are more powerful than her. She maybe one of the strongest women, but the men are still more powerful. She's also extremely short which helps with tumbling.
@thedoublea147 Жыл бұрын
@@thedoublea147 I don't know I think she might give a lot of male gymnast a run for their money when it comes to the height she gets in her tumbling
@gothgirl4evr881 Жыл бұрын
@@thedoublea147 why do people like you always feel the need to tear women down in the comments? yes, men are stronger than women, we know basic biology. no one specifically claimed simone was stronger than every man out there so why not just mind your business? why can’t people just celebrate a powerful talented woman and that be the end of it?
@mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmaria Жыл бұрын
Simone is now able to do tumbling passes that men were doing in 2004.
@Bfolks84 Жыл бұрын
@@Bfolks84 I don't doubt that for a second.
@gothgirl4evr881 Жыл бұрын
make the men dance. i don’t care, just do it
@chickenpermission6969 Жыл бұрын
They don't want to dance
@jesin00058 ай бұрын
@@jesin0005most women neither
@knuffelmaus71758 ай бұрын
@@knuffelmaus7175 it's about what most people want to see, not about what they want to do. Do what you want on your own time. Pay for the space, and have at it. No one is stopping you.
@timl97247 ай бұрын
@@knuffelmaus7175care to provide sources for that claim? Also, even if it was true, how would it justify imposing it on men as well, to make sure everyone is just as miserable?
@petros_adamopoulos7 ай бұрын
Instead of forcing the men to dance, why not stop forcing the women to dance? Although forcing the men to dance would make it more equal, it would also make some of them unhappy because they’re meant to be doing gymnastics and not professional dancing. Some of the women would still be unhappy cause they still have to dance, but if you stop the women from being forced to dance it makes both sides more equal while also keeping both sides happy
@samkelly50457 ай бұрын
EQUALITY!! Women need to have 6 events and men need to have music
@TheeRomantic Жыл бұрын
Yeah the women would never be able to keep up
@c.h.u.d Жыл бұрын
Or men need to have 4 events and women have no music… and men wear the leotard lol
@justonetime6179 Жыл бұрын
I’d like to see a girl trying the rings 😂 get outta here
@subbefore-if7hc Жыл бұрын
@@subbefore-if7hcid like to see a woman trying the rings too (i love stronf women) (show me strong women with big beefy arms PLEASE!!)
@honkstheclown86319 ай бұрын
@@c.h.u.dthey’re not competing against the men tho? I still don’t see the problem
@hooman95549 ай бұрын
You guys are super human that’s all I got to say ❤
@adamlambert3892 Жыл бұрын
Only thing I can imagine while watching gymnastics is my knees exploding.
@dallasdrotts4907 Жыл бұрын
Yep and that's exactly what'll happen my wife did gymnastics when she was younger now her knees are completely shot
@c.h.u.d Жыл бұрын
@@c.h.u.d Yup same thing with my mom. Chronic back pain since her late 20's, slipped discs, etc. It's a beautiful sport but it's one of the most brutal on the body.
@dallasdrotts4907 Жыл бұрын
Women's gymnastics is actually entertaining.
@T1Oracle Жыл бұрын
And that's why it's more popular.
@lyd2460 Жыл бұрын
Flairs remind me of break dancing so much
@bloodrainicorn6193 Жыл бұрын
They got it from breakdance
@BeautifulEarthJa Жыл бұрын
@@BeautifulEarthJa no breakdance got it from gymnastics
@cleopatrajones7096 Жыл бұрын
and they kept it in as a semi-dance element
@holliswilliams8426 Жыл бұрын
It’d be interesting to hear floor music and see some dance elements in the men’s floor routines. Just a thought.
@trestonmalone5072 Жыл бұрын
Ikr
@katejoyofficial Жыл бұрын
I'd be interested in seeing that too
@thepH416 Жыл бұрын
No
@Abc23867 Жыл бұрын
@@Abc23867 didn’t ask but okay. You’re entitled to your thought
@trestonmalone5072 Жыл бұрын
@@trestonmalone5072 I don't need your permission to talk now stop being fucking annoying
@Abc23867 Жыл бұрын
Judges - we only like women who smile but get uncomfortable around men who do. That’s not sus at all.
@free22 Жыл бұрын
Looks like gymnastics rules were invented by men based on what they'd love to see. They wanna see power in men and cover them up more than women, on the other hand they made women where tight leg-less suits and made them dance for them. If anyone doubts that it's a matter of visual pleasure, go see how when women in French gymnastics said they wanted to were large shorts or pants like guys, the response by the old male leaders of the federation and the public opinion was that "it's gonna be ugly and not hot to watch" like they were talking about s**ual entertainment instead of sports
@Cloudipy8 ай бұрын
why are you making it sexual now. you're wierd
@doxxmane8 ай бұрын
@@doxxmanebecause it is. We don't need sugar coating these things in the 21st century.
@420sakura18 ай бұрын
Yeah, they were definitely invented by men. I think that the woman should be allowed to wear what the men wear and do the same tricks as then men, and the same for the men. They should be allowed to do what the woman do and wear what the woman wear (if they want to)
@macy-fg7ck4 ай бұрын
Would love see men to do uneven bars and beam and see women do rings and pommel horse
@rileygshep7606 Жыл бұрын
The women's dancing is completely unnecessary.
@JuneHarriseco Жыл бұрын
men do need something to look at after all
@innocehnt75 Жыл бұрын
@@innocehnt75 ew
@petalchild Жыл бұрын
Tell me you don't know anything about the history of gymnastics without telling me you don't know anything about the history of gymnastics
@simplystreeptacular Жыл бұрын
@@simplystreeptacular well, I know gymnastics used to be very artistic, but I agree with OP… back then those dance elements were beautifully integrated into the routines. Nowadays it just looks awkward. The sport has moved to a totally different direction…
@ludmilamaiolini6811 Жыл бұрын
@@innocehnt75 disgusting
@g.0674 Жыл бұрын
I never realised how brutal the men's gymnastics is
@timsheen1158 Жыл бұрын
An incredibly impressive sport. Huge respect.
@themarquis3368 ай бұрын
The balance beam appears to me to be the most difficult event, mens or womens.
@nickadt Жыл бұрын
As a male gymnast, I concur. The beam definitely is the most difficult.
@thatplatypusguy5665 ай бұрын
People really do underestimate how difficult some dance/ non acrobatic skills are. I really wish MAG would require a dance skill
@maxlawrence4223 Жыл бұрын
This is the kind of sport where it would make sense to let men and women compete in the other’s events
@nathanprice7596 Жыл бұрын
It would end up diminishing the women.
@cobbler88 Жыл бұрын
That only shows you don’t know the sport. The events and scoring are based around the different strengths both sexes have. Women tend to have grace and flexibility while men tend to have more power and strength. Grade a man based off how graceful he is and he will likely do worse than if he was to just muscle through it all. Same with the inverse. It’s why men don’t have the beam and women don’t have the rings. It just doesn’t suit the sex for the most part.
@Noodlepenis Жыл бұрын
@@Noodlepenis The men would just train to be more graceful if using a different grading rubric. But they would also likely have to give up some size and power. Look up a vid with Nastia Luekin and Shawn Johnson watching men performing women's gymnastics. If we did lump them all together (which I realize no one is saying we should do), there would be no more female gymnasts.
@cobbler88 Жыл бұрын
I've seen videos of a guy who did tumbling and trained WAG events for fun. He could actually do a very good beam routine. Didn't have an actual dismount but the interior of his routine had spins, leaps, walkovers, back handsprings and even some Nastia inspired choreography!
@roddo19556 ай бұрын
I’m in the women’s gymnastics and I’ve done vaults before. They’re just super hard, especially at my level.
@Lilac1896 ай бұрын
Both should do all the events if they just want to 🤷🏾♂️
@RubenAngelesOficial Жыл бұрын
No, it is a sport not a kindergarten. You shold do what was required and not what you want.
@importantopinion Жыл бұрын
@@importantopinion I should be able to practice the sport that I fucking want.
@RubenAngelesOficial Жыл бұрын
@@RubenAngelesOficial you can, just not competitively.
@tallyink Жыл бұрын
Men on the balance beam? You crazy?
@dachicagoan8185 Жыл бұрын
@@dachicagoan8185 why? Do You think it is not hurtful for women if they get hit in the scrotch area? Tell me the reason gymnastics uneven bars is a femenine discipline?
@RubenAngelesOficial Жыл бұрын
Gymnastics is such a beautiful sport
@dugebuwembo Жыл бұрын
Strength, grace and flexibility all at once
@dachicagoan8185 Жыл бұрын
I used to do women’s gymnastics in school and I always find it interesting seeing the differences between mens and womens gymnastics from these videos.
@Piiratekang.68236 ай бұрын
it just sucks how everything designated for men has to always be devoid of beauty. i hate watching male gymnastics because it subtracts the art from the sport. now male ice skating is true feminism
@fairygodbrotherr10 ай бұрын
Im not sure if youre just talking about the lack of dance-esk elements in MAG, but I would say that a large percent of people disagree and would say that mens gymnastics can be just as beautiful if not more.
@jackmiller7077 ай бұрын
Sport is awe-inspiring. That is sufficient
@timl97247 ай бұрын
I would love to see music and dance in the men’s gymnastics! It’s the main reason I watch the women’s gymnastics at the Olympics. Gymnastics is actually usually the only sport I watch at the Olympics along with figure skating. I’d watch the men if there wasn’t just plain skill. Don’t get me wrong, I know it’s a hell of a lot of talent and skill, but it’s just not as interesting as the dance incorporated routines. 😊
@Sophie-dd5xr Жыл бұрын
100% agree
@bruna91349 ай бұрын
Also just the skills that can be done will be different/look different when executed, due to differences in weight, muscle mass, and centre of gravity
@amycox5733 Жыл бұрын
It should be equal and the same for both sex’s! Anything guys can do, girls can do, and vice versa!
@alanneal95427 ай бұрын
lol this is a joke right? It’s hard to get sarcasm through text sometimes so I’m asking to clarify. It must be sarcasm because you’d be quite uneducated in biology, physics and just reality if you really think that.
@acafella11Music6 ай бұрын
I won’t waste the time going into detail but consider this, in this video you see a man doing a triple pike on the floor. Never been performed by a woman. Ever…. The release moves seen on the high bar. Never been done by a woman. Same for the vault.
@acafella11Music6 ай бұрын
@@acafella11MusicBro can you elaborate more about these Gymnastics? Are Men's Gymnastics harder? And who are the best at it? Men or Women.
@abyzz44196 ай бұрын
@@acafella11Music and if they were allowed to preform them then you would have seen it!
@macy-fg7ck4 ай бұрын
Agreed!
@macy-fg7ck4 ай бұрын
Men need music too 😭
@bently_june596010 ай бұрын
I agree if male figure skaters can have music male gymnasts should!
@onlyfacts0779 ай бұрын
Great way to answer the question. Now we know exactly why they are different and not just how 😂
@Someone-wh8hi Жыл бұрын
Well, could you imagine the number of men doing the robot during their routine?
@tacobeartaco7140 Жыл бұрын
I imagine in a separate timeline men could do dances but one did the robot and now it's been banned.
@nottechytutorials8 ай бұрын
What if a man wants to do the beam? Or a woman wants to do rings? Every other sport just segregates genders within the same sport. But gymnastics is for some reason two sports that each exclude the opposite gender? These seem like arbitrary differences that make no sense
@whiteobama-gs6ym Жыл бұрын
Yeah no sense for ur small brain. Its time to upgrade big brains
@rhozq Жыл бұрын
In many sports, unfortunately, we're still in the 1870s.
@LETMino85 Жыл бұрын
Calling the flare unacrobatic is a bold statement.
@olesch3132 Жыл бұрын
Bro is literally breakdancing 💀
@hooman95549 ай бұрын
The difference is the men's team is 0% minors and the women's team is 100% minors.
@appa609 Жыл бұрын
Men: Power Women: Grace
@ninjaswordtothehead7 ай бұрын
I love all the events. Gymnasts are incredible! 🎉
@jam_is_jammin9 ай бұрын
The fact that HB stands for horizontal bar and not high bar is very frustrating
@lunagoldschmidt7903 Жыл бұрын
Didn't that question that was burned into the start of the video ask why?
@steve_weinrich Жыл бұрын
One seems like its a performance while the other appears like an exhibition. Oh and the sections to do with upper body strength.
@joshuapatrick6827 ай бұрын
I'm surprised that you didn't say that Horizontal bar, and the Uneven bars, though being 2 different events, have basic similarities. Because that is how it looks, and female gymnasts sometimes do their training on a single bar, making these 2 events look even more similar.
@FinnishLapphund Жыл бұрын
The bars on unevenbars are wider in circumference. The swing is generated from different muscle groups. You should watch men try to swing on unevenbars, they have to use a lot of strength just to gain momentum.
@roddo19556 ай бұрын
Thank you very much on a short yet profound explanation! It's interesting
@zoetropew Жыл бұрын
This short was recommended, I clicked, and now it's over an hour later and can't stop watching. Your videos have a great balance of "perfect" moves and missed attempts - that makes it so much more relatable and interesting! ✌️🍍
@PFMediaServices11 ай бұрын
I want the dedication that this sport requires
@kevinsundelin8639 Жыл бұрын
I, as an auto-denominated athletic person, admit and have the opinion that gymnastics is the hardest sport there is and gymnasts are the best athletes there is. You need strength, agility, guts, staying out from injuries at every second, etc. I have so much respect for them
@Marrrrley Жыл бұрын
Until you see them throw.
@cobbler88 Жыл бұрын
but i want men doing cool dances too 😢 i really hope the rules change so the athlete can adjust their routine to their liking, e.g. having music or not
@vittoriabalanc5507 Жыл бұрын
It's a sport, you can't "adjust the rules to your own liking". Name one sport in existence that lets you play however you want
@foosic1742 Жыл бұрын
@@foosic1742 🤓 i said "i really hope the rules change" not "the rules have already changed".
@vittoriabalanc5507 Жыл бұрын
As an elite woman’s coach, despite dance not being an “actual” rotation, we spend just as much time with dance weekly as per se, beam. My feeling is trampoline should also be a consistent rotation. However, the compulsory routines are 60-70% dance. I think it’s important for anyone considering women’s competitive artistic gymnastics, who want to do I seriously, they will do a ton of dance! And when I say dance, mostly ballet and possibly lyrical, depending on the coach.
@courtneyprichard50828 ай бұрын
Cam Women do the things men do? Like can they do 6 events
@420sakura18 ай бұрын
@@420sakura1I’m not a gymnast but they aren’t allowed to if they were they probably could do pommel horse and rings you would just have to modify it like people did with floor and vaults
@Thetenacityofkassidy4 ай бұрын
For people genuinely asking “why”. It comes down to the history of gymnastics. While we can all sit here and talk about patriarchy and men wanting women in small, very skin showy outfits, for gymnastics, it’s about the purpose of the demonstration. Men’s events are designed to display power and strength, women’s events are designed to display elegance, grace, and precision. Overall, the sports were designed to highlights the epitome of both masculine and feminine athletic ability. Obviously in the 21st century our culture is working to deconstruct those previous ideals, which makes it seem like sexist, but it’s really a demonstration of what people viewed as peak performance for both men and women during that time. Men being strong and powerful, women being graceful and elegant. It’s not derogatory to highlight the differences in gender, but I can understand the abrasion to this notion. Overall, gymnastics is a dying sport, for both men and women (I’d argue is dying faster for men, but that’s a whole other topic). While some changes may create more attraction to the sport, others (such as forcing males to dance) may end up pushing people away.
@thatplatypusguy5665 ай бұрын
Tell me I'm wrong... gymnastics at that level is just sexist. Beautiful yes. But sexist.
@BeingAnna Жыл бұрын
You probably need to explain your reasons. They likely have very valid physical reasons for reducing the number of events for women and the types. You don't expect women to do rings or high bar catch and releases.
@justinli826 Жыл бұрын
@@justinli826 why though? This is a genuine, ignorance question. Why don't we expect women to do e.g. rings? Are men not expected to do e.g. the high beam?
@sznfong Жыл бұрын
The music difference seems so random!
@tscimb Жыл бұрын
@@sznfong because to do rings you need a shit load of muscles and tendons strength which is impossible to acquire for a woman
@aloci3370 Жыл бұрын
No, it's not sexist. It's the opposite. I feel like no other sport celebrates the beauty of each sex's biological properties quite like gymnastics. Men are biologically more capable of doing strength moves, while women tend to be more flexible. The differences in the events account for all of that.
@theoboueid6450 Жыл бұрын
I forget who the gymnast was, but she did a flare on the balance beam, in the mounting part of her routine. And it was awesome!
@SwimminWitDaFishies Жыл бұрын
That was Tracey Talavera back in 1980’s
@drmgb10 ай бұрын
It's a pretty rare mount to see these days, but I wish there would be a resurgence of some of the old cool mounts, that one included.
@gatordragon88247 ай бұрын
Basically, women's event has to be somewhat reminiscent of something you'd see at a strip joint.
@neryskkiran1820 Жыл бұрын
Yes. Gymnastics looks cool, but I cannot watch the clips with the women, it's like a strip routine.
@nottechytutorials8 ай бұрын
I have always hated that people are limited to what they can learn or showcase because of their sex. Ridiculous. Gymnasts are phenomenal athletes and should be allowed to showcase any skills they enjoy participating in, regardless of sex characteristics
@mogwai_ Жыл бұрын
Do you think women have the strength to do rings or parallel bars? The men are bulkier and more muscular and would look weird on the beam.
@KitchenFSink Жыл бұрын
So u hate reality. Good luck with that.
@OttoEmil10 Жыл бұрын
@@KitchenFSink literally have seen many women do parallel bars for fun, and have seen them work on rings also for fun. It's a matter of access, obviously
@mogwai_ Жыл бұрын
@@OttoEmil10 Is it ridiculous to wish people were given a choice?
@mogwai_ Жыл бұрын
@@mogwai_ yeah for fun, not on a level of a male olympic athlete. See how many of the women can do an inverted iron cross.
@KitchenFSink Жыл бұрын
I would love to see the women have to do the rings. The most underestimated and hardest gymnastic exercise of all
@davidshuff8838 Жыл бұрын
I think if they practised they could do it.
@tenshiy15559 ай бұрын
It’s really annoying how it’s got to a point where it would be great to combine and let gymnasts just do whatever routines they want but there just no way that would ever happen as it would be so unbelievably difficult
@k_slyons7346 Жыл бұрын
Combine sexes? Because if they did there wouldn't be a single woman competing in the Olympics. At least not from a middling to strong gymnastics country.
@cobbler88 Жыл бұрын
I don't even do gymnastics but this video is very informative
@korosuke2195 Жыл бұрын
Shorts for women!!! Women should be allowed to wear shorts, in any sport!!
@hannahhutchison2189 Жыл бұрын
"Men don't dance...they BREAKDANCE, baby"
@TheWarchiefZekeJaeger Жыл бұрын
Super interesting! Still tho... Why? How did it end up like that?
@orrelse124 Жыл бұрын
Ok if I misunderstood your question lmk. The reason that we all have different events is because of how we’re made biologically. Men are typically atleast 30-35% stronger than woman. Men are typically stronger in their upper body so they focus on events with upper body strength. This is why they have more events that focus on strength rather than dance. Women on the other hand are biologically more flexible than men. This is why we have dance elements. Women are stronger in their lower body, this is why 3/4 events focus on legs. Also, women could physically not do rings. Women have muscles in our shoulders men don’t have. We would tear muscles trying to do it.
@Bre.Bre. Жыл бұрын
It didn’t end up like that, it STARTED like that. MAG has the origins in army training (19th century Germany) while WAG has its origins in dance and ballet.
@leykimayri Жыл бұрын
@@Bre.Bre. that explains some of the differences, but for the most part an adapted scoring system would be enough. Not completely different disciplines...
@zottelhuehs6375 Жыл бұрын
@@Bre.Bre. "women have muscles in our shoulders men don't have" what does that mean? we all have the same set of muscles if we're healthy, just different strength and fiber types proportions.
@soullessangel207 Жыл бұрын
I would consider flaring a dance move, since it’s also used in breakdancing
@sydneylocher8685 Жыл бұрын
They both work so hard to achieve their goals thank you
@edwardbenkert63947 ай бұрын
I'm guessing it comes down to that upper body strength difference?
@kevinbergin9971 Жыл бұрын
No because then men would do 8
@erikburzinski82486 ай бұрын
I feel like it’d be cool to see everyone be trained on all the events and for music to be a part of all floor routines
@_jules_perez_ Жыл бұрын
The men's routines focus on their raw strength, power, and agility. The women, on the other hand, their routine seems like they have to integrate a more 'sensual' routine...almost as if, because they're women, they have to perform for "entertainment" of a different sort and I think it detracts from their full potential to also deliver raw strength and agility. All that 'cha-cha-cha' is totally unnecessary and cheapens their grace and fluidity!
@Cat-no8ts Жыл бұрын
Okay
@billcipher39467 ай бұрын
Men's women's...i love them both!
@jacquelineellis7136 Жыл бұрын
I feel like men should have the dancing element or women not have it at all. If there is a show of rythym and skill to go with it men should have that as well. It's kinda ridiculous
@tdf_worldkey856811 ай бұрын
Why can’t men smile I’m gymnastics and why are women required to smile? That just sounds so stupid to me that you can loose points for this.
women: **dance** men: **breakdance**
😂
Me: broken bones
@@Bakedcakeyyy my condolences
I wanna see all breakdance. If anyone can mop the floor in a breakdancing comp, it seems a gymnast would have an upper hand in the situation! XD
@@aazhie he has a couple videos where the division 1 gymnasts try some of the breakdance moves and it's amazing watching these dudes with intensely trained bodies fail at doing routines these dancers are doing. Then there's that one guy that pulls it off to show the rest up :D
As someone who admittedly doesn’t know much about gymnastics, I’ve always found the dance elements of the women’s floor routines to be so disjointed 💀 it always felt like they would do the most impressive tumbling passes we ever see but then they’re forced to stop and do the cha cha slide for like 30 seconds so it could be called a “dance” routine. Either both men’s and women’s floor should be focused on the tumbling passes, or there should be some way to integrate tumbling and dancing more smoothly so it doesn’t feel like “okay I gotta stop and boogie down for a bit for ‘artistic merit’ “
True, it looks awful
off topic but that probably was the funniest yt comment I have ever read 💀 not the cha cha slide
College athletes, at least the top ones, seem to incorporate dance elements pretty well. Elite gymnasts on the other hand seem to be less fluid with it, but their routines are longer and more complex
Cha cha slide 😂😂😂😂
i agree 😭
As a former gymnast I really liked messing around on the rings I wished women’s gymnastics allowed use of the rings on a competitive level
They don't allow it because you women can't do it
@@c.h.u.d tf? What do you even mean lmao. It's a skill just like everything else something you train to learn. I'm a girl, I love doing tricks on the rings. Just like how a guy has to learn and train the skill to master it, so would I. But my being a woman isn't a factor. Just time and opportunity
@@elliesdream247 females can't do rings on the same level as men
@@c.h.u.d kzhead.info/sun/gZqJhrWNg6mshnk/bejne.html
@@elliesdream247 Ok so heres the thing: The rings require mostly arm and upper body strenght. And women, no matter how hard they might train, could never get the same results as a man who trained it. This is also the reason why you don't see 16 or 17 years old guys competing against the top male gymnasts internationally, because their bodies are at a natural disadvantage that can't be simply pushed aside even by a lot of training. The only way to incorporate the rings into womens gymnastics would be to change the routines and exercises completely. But at that point it probably wouldn't be very interesting, because the whole strenght aspect would be missing which is crucial to mens rings.
Male athletes get to just be athletes. Female athletes have to look pretty while they do it. I wonder what would happen if the women were allowed to just focus on the athletics, or if the men had to look pretty, too? Either way, I'd love to see it!
This is part of why there has been push back now that more and more women in gymnastics are moving more towards strength and athleticism as opposed focusing on just looking pretty.
Hopefully they see Wushu as an option. Men and women perform the same
Nobody would watch them. 😂
Men would look silly and women's sports would be like mens... but worse.
Yes, it's called a drag show and butch.
I want men's floor to have required dance elements and music.
I've seen men do balance beam and uneven bars and they do it so well.
Same it would be so fun to watch
Give me that street dance floor routine!
No, I’d rather see women get the option to do only tumbling.
95% of male gymnasts would hate that rule change. we’re used to what we’re used to and we like to leave the dance elements to the girls
Another significant difference is that women generally compete at the Olympic level when they are in their teens. Men’s gymnastics favors an adult body and musculature.
You start being old for most "air" and acrobatic stuff after puberty ends, as a guy. It's stuff like rings and similar things that require the typical adult male strength that prolong a male gymnasts life in competition. I remember saying I was getting old for tumbling at the age of 19, and I went for the rings. We get stronger, but less agile. It is just what it is, gymnastics are very physically demanding sports, regardless of female or male modalities, and you pass your prime at a very young age.
@@rrs_13 it probably also has something to do with size. 🙃 physics
@@zoundstreetop I'm not tall by any means, and when you get into competitive gymnastics either it thwarts your growth or you get too tall to be competitive so you leave. It's really about being able to keep the extremely fit shape that is required for stuff like tumbling, and the strenuous training it requires. I had two crushed disks at the age of 21, and I quit my dreams of being a ninja (joking) very early because my wrists and ankle cartilages were just used up, and to this day every step I take my ankles crack; according to our club's physician, tumblers often get to their 20's with the joint wear of a 40 year old. The ability of your body to tolerate extreme joint abuse is also something that filters gymnasts.
Yeah unfortunately for females, puberty causes your hips to get wider and heavier cuz the female body prioritizes fertility over physical strength and agility. Most girls I knew growing up (myself included) hit a bit of a plateau in their progress once they hit puberty.
Isn't the average age of the women at the Olympic level rising? Thirty years ago, a woman was at her gymnastics peak at 14-18 years. Simone Biles did not get that memo.
I’m female but always did men’s gymnastics cause I hated beams and loved rings. I was amazing at it and was the first girl to cross over. It was fun and I’m glad they let me.
That's awesome. Do you have any videos? I've never seen a woman on the rings
@@Bishop_of_Llandaff I can remember the last time _I_ have either. Same question here!
@@leol9257 Bruh, what?
@@leol9257Bruh be quite weirdo
@@leol9257may 'she' identified herself as a female
It's kinda weird how performative women are forced to be compared to men. Like the actual physical achievements aren't interesting enough to watch them do it. Or like men aren't allowed to add an artistic/performative element. It's kinda odd. You'd think if all of them do awesome stuff in floor and people think "this would be even better with music and cool moves" then... surely that would be the case for all of them...
There used to be lots of other moves allowed that are outlawed in both categories now (ostensibly for safety) but it made the routines so much less creative and interesting to watch. I truly believe there is a fear among judges that if the men are allowed dance or other 'expression' then the judges would feel uncomfortably questioning if that makes them homosexual to be looking at other men's bodies so intently to judge them.
Its not that deep. Why is every difference suddenly a sign of societal and political injustices?
@@roddo1955 "it's not that deep" then what is the problem? Why can't they wear whatever works for them? Your comment is a lovely example of the dead fish in every discussion. Contributes nothing and tries to win by making everyone disgusted by them. No. It's not "deep". It's very simple and surface level. Which is why it only takes a tiny shred of common sense to see that this is idiocy in the name of gender stereotypes. There is no reason to not let them wear whatever they want since clearly both options are suited for the sport. No reason at all if what you are in the sport for is simply an appreciation for their physical achievements and artistic performance.
This is why I love figure skating, for this exact reason
@@kaboomsihal1164 How did you change the conversation from the routines to the outfits? Those are 2 different conversations. In your first comment, you mentioned only the routines and that's what @roddo1995 commented on. Now you've changed the entire topic to outfits.
And the men don't have to keep an insipid smile on their face the whole time during their routine.
it's pretty common in a lot of performance artists for performers to smile as otherwise looks like they are miserable and don't want to be there
Is there a rule requiring ladies to smile during their routines?
@@holliswilliams8426 except they aren’t really artists in that sense. They’re athletes. And no matter what sport, athletes shouldn’t have to worry that the judges think they’re mean mugging them while their body is experiencing several Gs of force.
They also do more passes...
Nice use of "insipid" 👌🏿
The difference is that women’s gymnastics is sexualised and men’s isn’t. The skimpy leotards are a requirement women have protested to change. The floor routines are the worst offender by far though as women have to perform to music to show off a glorified contemporary ballet dance with ribbons or hoops or balls rather than the form and athleticism in men’s floor routines. It’s so stupid that the women also do crazy floor tumbling feats but are required to stop that flow to do the fucking Macarena while men’s is focused purely on form. Either make the men also do a dance routine or make the women stop.
men also do unathlectic dance routines just not with ribbons like women he even said that in the video
dude stop simping, the men have dance elements and I'm fairly certain that 90% of the women would probably keep dance elements if they had the choice as it helps them get into the flow of the routine
@@paul-ye3ut But they are not required to by the rules, thats the point
Uhh...have you not seen the men also having to compete in form fitting skin tight tops and the only reason they are allowed to wear shorts is because otherwise you'd see the dudes dicks and balls struggling to breathe. Women don't have the equipment on the outside down there and so there's nothing to cover up that would detract form the sleekness of the look. Stop simping so hard that you can't use common fucking sense.
You are confusing artistic and rhythmic gymnastics in your comment I think.
As a figure skating fan, the lack of music for men’s floor is so weird to me. Like imagine if male skaters just went out and did three jumps and a spin in complete silence while women still had to do full programs.
One gets to wear clothes, and the other is forced to wear underwear
Oh the men have on very tight clothes too. One of things i love about the sport. Shows off the butt and bulge.
You mean, one is forced to wear clothes and the other gets to wear underwear
@@Lord.alucarD yeah, nobody wants to see the dudes like that, or any chance of it flopping out. Men and women are different. Let's stop fantasizing otherwise.
@@timl9724okay so the women have to be in basically underwear to perform so guys can get a look and you see no issue in that because "men and women are different", got it.
@@moufettepokla5877 nah. Truthfully, both sexes would benefit from as little clothing as possible from a practical standpoint. But since sport is for spectators, nobody wants to see naked men flipping around.
Also... guys don't have to wear speedos
Neither do women… they chose to
@@Spryzen_ Women wear what is required, there is no choice.
@@Ihchkciyiyhgifuofyr555there literally is but ok
@@Spryzen_it's literally a set rule and when women have protested in the past by wearing shorts/leotards, they've gotten disqualified. Don't try to mansplain something you know nothing about
@@woobeewooo @abc Women can choose nowadays, they can wear full length unitards. They dont need to wear those thight and ugly speedo things. The german gymnasts in the 2021 olympic showed it
One thing I hate about women's gymnastics (that I don't notice in men's) is that they're required to smile all throughout the routine. And they're required to smile when they stick a landing. It's stupid, performative and feels very out of touch with the reality we live in today but idk.
Same with the dance part
i may be wrong but i think men are specifically banned from smiling while doing skills
Men ARENT ALLOWED to smile, and a gymnast in the 40s once smiled as a protest and kept getting points off
Whoa! I never thought of this! Definitely needs to be updated. How ridiculous.
@@mossystone584 Now that's equally as stupid. I wish all gymnasts had the freedom to do their routine without feeling like they need to restrict or force themselves to "perform" to please the audience. Like, I understand there is a level of complexity that's added when the athlete needs to stay aware of what their whole body expresses, but not being allowed to smile if you want to smile or viceversa is evil.
LET THE MEN DANCE
They don't want to dance, thank you very much.
How about no?
We dont want to
The women should stop "dancing", if you can even call it that. Just do the crazy tumbling and leave out the kindergarten choreographies.
They have already done break dance 😅
I think it should be split into artistic and strength gymnastics with both genders being able choose which they partake in
Common sense has never been louder.. I mean see figure skating, speed skating and the other type of skating, people are free to choose which they wanna do
Have you asked any gymnasts about this idea? Because I’m not sure most of them would like this idea lol
@@noahlin8484why not
@@erikburzinski8248 because most gymnasts I’ve talked to don’t want that; it’s just people outside of gymnastics pushing for a change most of us don’t want. Also the strength category would be completely dominated by men and vice versatile for artistic.
@noahlin8484 it can still be devided by gender but the sport itself would allow you to choose which you went into backed on your own will
I hated having to do the dance stuff in my floor routine. I would have taken dance if that's what I wanted.
You should have to twerk
Interestingly, as someone who took dance for 10 years, I was more into the technique and precision. The worst part was costumes, performances and smiling. Fortunately that's not too often.
Me too and I also hated beams when I was a kid. Always ran to the rings and parallel bars, then coach would yell at me... and then I left. 😂
This doesn't answer the question in the comment displayed at the beginning. It asked _why_ they are different, not _how._
Good observation.
Lets be real tho we all know the why. 🙄
Exactly 😅
Because men and women are different, they have different skills, flexibility and strength, duh.
@@_Diana_S thank you, I was trying to find a comment that wasn't just "why do they sexualize women so much" its literally not even that bad. And most women enjoy the dance aspect of floor.
Super informative video with no bias about what's "better" or "harder" or whatever. Thank you for the education!
Yes, unlike most comments...
It should be simple for the women in gymnastics. If they wanna do a dance routine no one should stop them on the floor but if they don’t they shouldn’t be required to do it.
I want the mens to have to do a gravity defying flip then the Macarena too !!
men do multiple gravity defying flips the start breakdancing
Thankfully, most of the world doesn't want what you want.
i like that you seem to have posted clips of the GOAT of each event when you mention them! nice details!
How is Biles the GOAT of balance beam? 😂😂😂😂
@@leykimayri i think it’s pretty self explanatory
@@leykimayri isn’t that kinda obvious though?😂
@@peytonjames374 No it isn’t, Biles is not even close of being the GOAT of balance beam, lol
@@Weeping-Angel No it isn’t, unless one is an idiot. Are you one?
i wish they both had all the same events (not taking away any events from either, but adding on the ones the they don’t have)…it’d be nice, and for the floor routines to both have music, or if they choose..to not have music and dance elements
I get it, but it would ultimately diminish the women.
you can't have the same events on both sides, each gender has different types of training so it wouldn't work. buut i could see the men's gymnastics doing an artistic routine on floor
@@n4nao when the different events are added, training would changes as well to include what would be needed for the new events.
I do gymnastics. I focus on my six male events. But on off days, I will go tumble the beam or do some unofficial and quite gnarly uneven-bar techniques. Gymnastics is actually very rigid and strict, but I do account my screwing around on the girls equipment as part of my strength and agility training.
Simone is just next level in terms of her abilities
Fr I saw that and I thought my phone was glitching!
She even has the ability to quit and still be seen a hero lol
Yeah, her black fragility is indeed next level.
Too bad she's so mentally damaged she can't do anything anymore
@@themonsterunderyourbed9408 you're so bitter and hateful it's actually sad to witness
Difference: women are sexualized unjustly in gymnastics for pervy men, men are not. Why not let men have music and sexy outfits in their routines too? 🤔
huh💀
Sexualize 👏male 👏gymnasts 👏
True😂
Even sexier?
Your comment seems so out of pocket yet it's so undeniably true once you compare women's athletic attire to men's. Even in middle and high schools, girls' uniforms are 5× more revealing than the guys' for absolutely no good reason.
uneven bars is the best gymnastics event overall. It's just so cool to watch, so many interesting things they can do with them.
That was not the question. They asked WHY.
I wish I did gymnastics at a younger age, but I would want to do all of the events. Like, imagine having the balance, grace, and flexibility of women’s gymnastics mixed with the intense strength and endurance of men’s gymnastics. You would be the pinnacle of humanity 🤩
Exactly!! Thanks for posting. I’m a women’s gymnast and my friends get asked if they do the rings and stuff. I’m like no! We only have 4 events lol Edit: guys please stop the contention on my comment. Everyone deserves respect
Yes
Yes
Yes
Beam is fun tho.
Powerlifters with 3 events and weightlifters with 2 events be like 😐
Jesus Christ, these people are so impressive. Gymnastics look so difficult and when they pull it off it's like they're weightless.
Men's events are typically focused more on power and agility. Women's events are more focused on balance and flexibility.
I think the biggest difference is that the men don't have to be constantly removing their leotards from their butts!
Just like women's gyms, women have the option to not wear those swimsuit looking leotards but choose not to. Wonder why.
@@IkesPimpHand Its has not been officially added to the code there is no choice only one german team protested this but it has not been officially added... what can you not comprehend? Men☕️
@@OreoCookie324 worthless femoids ☕
@@IkesPimpHand shut up, you tool
@@IkesPimpHand are you a bot? Cause i see you everywhere.
Big fan of both, but they are so different. The skills required to do rings vs. those required to do beam are leagues apart and really impressive in their own ways.
They are, but even Nastia has done videos about how the women would not be able to compete with the men in any event, men's or women's. We have to appreciate them for their differences, but are better off not playing "who is best."
@@cobbler88 No, they are certainly better off playing to each sex’s strengths. Men’s beam would not be watched very much and the training for it does not align hardly at all with the events men tend to do best in, meaning they either have to spend time training for an event they are simply nowhere near as good at and in ways that hold back the events they are good at. For example, it’s difficult to learn how to do a flare on the pommel horse. You need strength, power, and coordination. It is also difficult to learn how to do a back walkover on the beam. You need flexibility, grace, and balance. The training for each are completely opposite, and training both side by side actually works to impede the others as learning the control needed for beam will also train you to be less powerful and explosive like you need on pommel, the flexibility you need for beam will make it more difficult to gain the strength needed for pommel, etc. Then you gotta think about the business side. You are now holding events that will retain less viewers. Comparatively not very many people will enjoy watching a man on a beam or a woman on the rings. They simply aren’t as good at it as the other sex, making it similar to the NBA and WNBA across different events, requiring one to take up the slack of the other, costing both. It is simply better the way it is. Of course a few changes can be made and should be made when and if necessary, but completely changing the sport’s structure isn’t it.
@@Noodlepenis I think I wrote in another thread that the men would be better but have to give up some size that's important in their own apparatus, so just keep them separate.
Basically guys get to do full on gym except that one weird break dance, while girls have to be near bare skinned, dance around and smile while they try to preform or they aren’t good enough.
Sounds about right. Women have to perform and dance and men get to do sport.
@@alchemy3368 Yeah, because dancing isn't sport 🤡
@@los_zanjiit's not, that's why we have two different words for them
@@fast1nakus My man really things ballet isn't sport haha
@@los_zanji what's the competition in ballet? Is Streapteas also a sport for you?
Anyone who can do those astounding feats are extremely athletic. This comes from years of training, working, and practicing to the detriment of every other aspect of your life. Is one group better than another? They are all incredible specimens of physical development.
I hope they get rid of the music and dance crap. It’s beneath the dignity of elite athletes to compulsorily dance.
the sad part is that they're hardly treated as elite athletes, they're treated as eye candy and softcore p
Right, because dancers could never be elite athletes…
@@innocehnt75lmfao stop the crack
Yeah, fuck figure skating, artistic swimming, dressage, and artistic gymnastics. These are lower forms of sports cause they have to dance.
I don't want them to get rid of it. I just wish they'd have a category for both men and women that requires dance, and a category for both that doesn't require it.
I swear Simone has found a way to defy gravity. That girl is the definition of dynamite in small packages. She has more power in her tumbling than any other gymnast that I can think of
Men are more powerful than her. She maybe one of the strongest women, but the men are still more powerful. She's also extremely short which helps with tumbling.
@@thedoublea147 I don't know I think she might give a lot of male gymnast a run for their money when it comes to the height she gets in her tumbling
@@thedoublea147 why do people like you always feel the need to tear women down in the comments? yes, men are stronger than women, we know basic biology. no one specifically claimed simone was stronger than every man out there so why not just mind your business? why can’t people just celebrate a powerful talented woman and that be the end of it?
Simone is now able to do tumbling passes that men were doing in 2004.
@@Bfolks84 I don't doubt that for a second.
make the men dance. i don’t care, just do it
They don't want to dance
@@jesin0005most women neither
@@knuffelmaus7175 it's about what most people want to see, not about what they want to do. Do what you want on your own time. Pay for the space, and have at it. No one is stopping you.
@@knuffelmaus7175care to provide sources for that claim? Also, even if it was true, how would it justify imposing it on men as well, to make sure everyone is just as miserable?
Instead of forcing the men to dance, why not stop forcing the women to dance? Although forcing the men to dance would make it more equal, it would also make some of them unhappy because they’re meant to be doing gymnastics and not professional dancing. Some of the women would still be unhappy cause they still have to dance, but if you stop the women from being forced to dance it makes both sides more equal while also keeping both sides happy
EQUALITY!! Women need to have 6 events and men need to have music
Yeah the women would never be able to keep up
Or men need to have 4 events and women have no music… and men wear the leotard lol
I’d like to see a girl trying the rings 😂 get outta here
@@subbefore-if7hcid like to see a woman trying the rings too (i love stronf women) (show me strong women with big beefy arms PLEASE!!)
@@c.h.u.dthey’re not competing against the men tho? I still don’t see the problem
You guys are super human that’s all I got to say ❤
Only thing I can imagine while watching gymnastics is my knees exploding.
Yep and that's exactly what'll happen my wife did gymnastics when she was younger now her knees are completely shot
@@c.h.u.d Yup same thing with my mom. Chronic back pain since her late 20's, slipped discs, etc. It's a beautiful sport but it's one of the most brutal on the body.
Women's gymnastics is actually entertaining.
And that's why it's more popular.
Flairs remind me of break dancing so much
They got it from breakdance
@@BeautifulEarthJa no breakdance got it from gymnastics
and they kept it in as a semi-dance element
It’d be interesting to hear floor music and see some dance elements in the men’s floor routines. Just a thought.
Ikr
I'd be interested in seeing that too
No
@@Abc23867 didn’t ask but okay. You’re entitled to your thought
@@trestonmalone5072 I don't need your permission to talk now stop being fucking annoying
Judges - we only like women who smile but get uncomfortable around men who do. That’s not sus at all.
Looks like gymnastics rules were invented by men based on what they'd love to see. They wanna see power in men and cover them up more than women, on the other hand they made women where tight leg-less suits and made them dance for them. If anyone doubts that it's a matter of visual pleasure, go see how when women in French gymnastics said they wanted to were large shorts or pants like guys, the response by the old male leaders of the federation and the public opinion was that "it's gonna be ugly and not hot to watch" like they were talking about s**ual entertainment instead of sports
why are you making it sexual now. you're wierd
@@doxxmanebecause it is. We don't need sugar coating these things in the 21st century.
Yeah, they were definitely invented by men. I think that the woman should be allowed to wear what the men wear and do the same tricks as then men, and the same for the men. They should be allowed to do what the woman do and wear what the woman wear (if they want to)
Would love see men to do uneven bars and beam and see women do rings and pommel horse
The women's dancing is completely unnecessary.
men do need something to look at after all
@@innocehnt75 ew
Tell me you don't know anything about the history of gymnastics without telling me you don't know anything about the history of gymnastics
@@simplystreeptacular well, I know gymnastics used to be very artistic, but I agree with OP… back then those dance elements were beautifully integrated into the routines. Nowadays it just looks awkward. The sport has moved to a totally different direction…
@@innocehnt75 disgusting
I never realised how brutal the men's gymnastics is
An incredibly impressive sport. Huge respect.
The balance beam appears to me to be the most difficult event, mens or womens.
As a male gymnast, I concur. The beam definitely is the most difficult.
People really do underestimate how difficult some dance/ non acrobatic skills are. I really wish MAG would require a dance skill
This is the kind of sport where it would make sense to let men and women compete in the other’s events
It would end up diminishing the women.
That only shows you don’t know the sport. The events and scoring are based around the different strengths both sexes have. Women tend to have grace and flexibility while men tend to have more power and strength. Grade a man based off how graceful he is and he will likely do worse than if he was to just muscle through it all. Same with the inverse. It’s why men don’t have the beam and women don’t have the rings. It just doesn’t suit the sex for the most part.
@@Noodlepenis The men would just train to be more graceful if using a different grading rubric. But they would also likely have to give up some size and power. Look up a vid with Nastia Luekin and Shawn Johnson watching men performing women's gymnastics. If we did lump them all together (which I realize no one is saying we should do), there would be no more female gymnasts.
I've seen videos of a guy who did tumbling and trained WAG events for fun. He could actually do a very good beam routine. Didn't have an actual dismount but the interior of his routine had spins, leaps, walkovers, back handsprings and even some Nastia inspired choreography!
I’m in the women’s gymnastics and I’ve done vaults before. They’re just super hard, especially at my level.
Both should do all the events if they just want to 🤷🏾♂️
No, it is a sport not a kindergarten. You shold do what was required and not what you want.
@@importantopinion I should be able to practice the sport that I fucking want.
@@RubenAngelesOficial you can, just not competitively.
Men on the balance beam? You crazy?
@@dachicagoan8185 why? Do You think it is not hurtful for women if they get hit in the scrotch area? Tell me the reason gymnastics uneven bars is a femenine discipline?
Gymnastics is such a beautiful sport
Strength, grace and flexibility all at once
I used to do women’s gymnastics in school and I always find it interesting seeing the differences between mens and womens gymnastics from these videos.
it just sucks how everything designated for men has to always be devoid of beauty. i hate watching male gymnastics because it subtracts the art from the sport. now male ice skating is true feminism
Im not sure if youre just talking about the lack of dance-esk elements in MAG, but I would say that a large percent of people disagree and would say that mens gymnastics can be just as beautiful if not more.
Sport is awe-inspiring. That is sufficient
I would love to see music and dance in the men’s gymnastics! It’s the main reason I watch the women’s gymnastics at the Olympics. Gymnastics is actually usually the only sport I watch at the Olympics along with figure skating. I’d watch the men if there wasn’t just plain skill. Don’t get me wrong, I know it’s a hell of a lot of talent and skill, but it’s just not as interesting as the dance incorporated routines. 😊
100% agree
Also just the skills that can be done will be different/look different when executed, due to differences in weight, muscle mass, and centre of gravity
It should be equal and the same for both sex’s! Anything guys can do, girls can do, and vice versa!
lol this is a joke right? It’s hard to get sarcasm through text sometimes so I’m asking to clarify. It must be sarcasm because you’d be quite uneducated in biology, physics and just reality if you really think that.
I won’t waste the time going into detail but consider this, in this video you see a man doing a triple pike on the floor. Never been performed by a woman. Ever…. The release moves seen on the high bar. Never been done by a woman. Same for the vault.
@@acafella11MusicBro can you elaborate more about these Gymnastics? Are Men's Gymnastics harder? And who are the best at it? Men or Women.
@@acafella11Music and if they were allowed to preform them then you would have seen it!
Agreed!
Men need music too 😭
I agree if male figure skaters can have music male gymnasts should!
Great way to answer the question. Now we know exactly why they are different and not just how 😂
Well, could you imagine the number of men doing the robot during their routine?
I imagine in a separate timeline men could do dances but one did the robot and now it's been banned.
What if a man wants to do the beam? Or a woman wants to do rings? Every other sport just segregates genders within the same sport. But gymnastics is for some reason two sports that each exclude the opposite gender? These seem like arbitrary differences that make no sense
Yeah no sense for ur small brain. Its time to upgrade big brains
In many sports, unfortunately, we're still in the 1870s.
Calling the flare unacrobatic is a bold statement.
Bro is literally breakdancing 💀
The difference is the men's team is 0% minors and the women's team is 100% minors.
Men: Power Women: Grace
I love all the events. Gymnasts are incredible! 🎉
The fact that HB stands for horizontal bar and not high bar is very frustrating
Didn't that question that was burned into the start of the video ask why?
One seems like its a performance while the other appears like an exhibition. Oh and the sections to do with upper body strength.
I'm surprised that you didn't say that Horizontal bar, and the Uneven bars, though being 2 different events, have basic similarities. Because that is how it looks, and female gymnasts sometimes do their training on a single bar, making these 2 events look even more similar.
The bars on unevenbars are wider in circumference. The swing is generated from different muscle groups. You should watch men try to swing on unevenbars, they have to use a lot of strength just to gain momentum.
Thank you very much on a short yet profound explanation! It's interesting
This short was recommended, I clicked, and now it's over an hour later and can't stop watching. Your videos have a great balance of "perfect" moves and missed attempts - that makes it so much more relatable and interesting! ✌️🍍
I want the dedication that this sport requires
I, as an auto-denominated athletic person, admit and have the opinion that gymnastics is the hardest sport there is and gymnasts are the best athletes there is. You need strength, agility, guts, staying out from injuries at every second, etc. I have so much respect for them
Until you see them throw.
but i want men doing cool dances too 😢 i really hope the rules change so the athlete can adjust their routine to their liking, e.g. having music or not
It's a sport, you can't "adjust the rules to your own liking". Name one sport in existence that lets you play however you want
@@foosic1742 🤓 i said "i really hope the rules change" not "the rules have already changed".
As an elite woman’s coach, despite dance not being an “actual” rotation, we spend just as much time with dance weekly as per se, beam. My feeling is trampoline should also be a consistent rotation. However, the compulsory routines are 60-70% dance. I think it’s important for anyone considering women’s competitive artistic gymnastics, who want to do I seriously, they will do a ton of dance! And when I say dance, mostly ballet and possibly lyrical, depending on the coach.
Cam Women do the things men do? Like can they do 6 events
@@420sakura1I’m not a gymnast but they aren’t allowed to if they were they probably could do pommel horse and rings you would just have to modify it like people did with floor and vaults
For people genuinely asking “why”. It comes down to the history of gymnastics. While we can all sit here and talk about patriarchy and men wanting women in small, very skin showy outfits, for gymnastics, it’s about the purpose of the demonstration. Men’s events are designed to display power and strength, women’s events are designed to display elegance, grace, and precision. Overall, the sports were designed to highlights the epitome of both masculine and feminine athletic ability. Obviously in the 21st century our culture is working to deconstruct those previous ideals, which makes it seem like sexist, but it’s really a demonstration of what people viewed as peak performance for both men and women during that time. Men being strong and powerful, women being graceful and elegant. It’s not derogatory to highlight the differences in gender, but I can understand the abrasion to this notion. Overall, gymnastics is a dying sport, for both men and women (I’d argue is dying faster for men, but that’s a whole other topic). While some changes may create more attraction to the sport, others (such as forcing males to dance) may end up pushing people away.
Tell me I'm wrong... gymnastics at that level is just sexist. Beautiful yes. But sexist.
You probably need to explain your reasons. They likely have very valid physical reasons for reducing the number of events for women and the types. You don't expect women to do rings or high bar catch and releases.
@@justinli826 why though? This is a genuine, ignorance question. Why don't we expect women to do e.g. rings? Are men not expected to do e.g. the high beam?
The music difference seems so random!
@@sznfong because to do rings you need a shit load of muscles and tendons strength which is impossible to acquire for a woman
No, it's not sexist. It's the opposite. I feel like no other sport celebrates the beauty of each sex's biological properties quite like gymnastics. Men are biologically more capable of doing strength moves, while women tend to be more flexible. The differences in the events account for all of that.
I forget who the gymnast was, but she did a flare on the balance beam, in the mounting part of her routine. And it was awesome!
That was Tracey Talavera back in 1980’s
It's a pretty rare mount to see these days, but I wish there would be a resurgence of some of the old cool mounts, that one included.
Basically, women's event has to be somewhat reminiscent of something you'd see at a strip joint.
Yes. Gymnastics looks cool, but I cannot watch the clips with the women, it's like a strip routine.
I have always hated that people are limited to what they can learn or showcase because of their sex. Ridiculous. Gymnasts are phenomenal athletes and should be allowed to showcase any skills they enjoy participating in, regardless of sex characteristics
Do you think women have the strength to do rings or parallel bars? The men are bulkier and more muscular and would look weird on the beam.
So u hate reality. Good luck with that.
@@KitchenFSink literally have seen many women do parallel bars for fun, and have seen them work on rings also for fun. It's a matter of access, obviously
@@OttoEmil10 Is it ridiculous to wish people were given a choice?
@@mogwai_ yeah for fun, not on a level of a male olympic athlete. See how many of the women can do an inverted iron cross.
I would love to see the women have to do the rings. The most underestimated and hardest gymnastic exercise of all
I think if they practised they could do it.
It’s really annoying how it’s got to a point where it would be great to combine and let gymnasts just do whatever routines they want but there just no way that would ever happen as it would be so unbelievably difficult
Combine sexes? Because if they did there wouldn't be a single woman competing in the Olympics. At least not from a middling to strong gymnastics country.
I don't even do gymnastics but this video is very informative
Shorts for women!!! Women should be allowed to wear shorts, in any sport!!
"Men don't dance...they BREAKDANCE, baby"
Super interesting! Still tho... Why? How did it end up like that?
Ok if I misunderstood your question lmk. The reason that we all have different events is because of how we’re made biologically. Men are typically atleast 30-35% stronger than woman. Men are typically stronger in their upper body so they focus on events with upper body strength. This is why they have more events that focus on strength rather than dance. Women on the other hand are biologically more flexible than men. This is why we have dance elements. Women are stronger in their lower body, this is why 3/4 events focus on legs. Also, women could physically not do rings. Women have muscles in our shoulders men don’t have. We would tear muscles trying to do it.
It didn’t end up like that, it STARTED like that. MAG has the origins in army training (19th century Germany) while WAG has its origins in dance and ballet.
@@Bre.Bre. that explains some of the differences, but for the most part an adapted scoring system would be enough. Not completely different disciplines...
@@Bre.Bre. "women have muscles in our shoulders men don't have" what does that mean? we all have the same set of muscles if we're healthy, just different strength and fiber types proportions.
I would consider flaring a dance move, since it’s also used in breakdancing
They both work so hard to achieve their goals thank you
I'm guessing it comes down to that upper body strength difference?
No because then men would do 8
I feel like it’d be cool to see everyone be trained on all the events and for music to be a part of all floor routines
The men's routines focus on their raw strength, power, and agility. The women, on the other hand, their routine seems like they have to integrate a more 'sensual' routine...almost as if, because they're women, they have to perform for "entertainment" of a different sort and I think it detracts from their full potential to also deliver raw strength and agility. All that 'cha-cha-cha' is totally unnecessary and cheapens their grace and fluidity!
Okay
Men's women's...i love them both!
I feel like men should have the dancing element or women not have it at all. If there is a show of rythym and skill to go with it men should have that as well. It's kinda ridiculous
Why can’t men smile I’m gymnastics and why are women required to smile? That just sounds so stupid to me that you can loose points for this.