Lies of Heroism - Redefining the Anti-War Film
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About this video:
An in-depth examination of the potential for and meaning of anti-war films.
Chapter list:
0:00 Introduction: A Cinema of (Anti-)War
6:30 Part 1: Cultures of Heroism
14:01 Part 2: The Nature of Evil
21:28 Part 3: Glorious Suffering
27:21 Part 4: Holy Wars
33:44 Part 5: Sacrificial Lambs
40:21 Part 6: Hero Worship
45:13 Part 7: Comfortable Icons
52:38 Conclusion: A True Christ
Sources:
Ernest Becker - Escape From Evil: amzn.to/3lvYzs5
Ernest Becker - The Denial of Death: amzn.to/2G3CTmP
Hannah Arendt - Eichmann in Jerusalem: A Report on the Banality of Evil: amzn.to/32IRYC7
Tom Brook (BBC) - Is There Any Such Thing as an Anti-War Film? www.bbc.com/culture/article/2...
Agnieszka Monnet - Is There Such a Thing as an Antiwar Film? www.academia.edu/28595089/Is_...
David Walsh - Spielberg’s Saving Private Ryan: Small Truths at the Expense of Big Ones: www.wsws.org/en/articles/1998...
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Media included:
13 Hours (2016)
1917 (2019)
A Hidden Life (2019)
All Quiet on the Western Front (1930)
American Sniper (2014)
Apocalypse Now (1979)
Band of Brothers (2001)
Black Hawk Down (2001)
Born on the Fourth of July (1989)
Casualties of War (1989)
Come and See (1985)
Coming Home (1978)
Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb (1964)
Dunkirk (2017)
Flags of Our Fathers (2006)
Full Metal Jacket (1987)
Fury (2014)
Green Zone (2010)
Hacksaw Ridge (2016)
Heartbreak Ridge (1986)
Jarhead (2005)
Judgment at Nuremberg (1961)
Land of Mine (2015)
Letters From Iwo Jima (2006)
Lone Survivor (2013)
Man Down (2015)
Midway (2019)
Operation Finale (2018)
Paths of Glory (1957)
Patton (1970)
Pearl Harbor (2001)
Platoon (1986)
Sands of Iwo Jima (1949)
Saving Private Ryan (1998)
Schindler's List (1993)
Stalingrad (1993)
Thank You For Your Service (2017)
The Thin Red Line (1998)
The Bridge on the River Kwai (1957)
The Deer Hunter (1978)
The Great Dictator (1940)
The Human Condition I: No Greater Love (1959)
The Human Condition II: Road to Eternity (1959)
The Human Condition III: A Soldier's Prayer (1961)
The Hurt Locker (2008)
The Pacific (2010)
Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (2009)
We Were Soldiers (2002)
Zero Dark Thirty (2013)
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"I also watch war movies for the narcissistic part of myself that believes I would be just as heroic in the same situation" I wasn't expecting to be called out like that, but thank you for doing it.
You're absolutely right, I always put myelf into the place of the hero and imagined how I would mimic his actions and save the day, being celebrated like mad. But how on earth do i know whether I'd act in the heroic manner
@KvAT you're right. I wouldn't have enough character, although I certainly would like to have more, just like everybody else. It's everybodys responsibility to build up a strong character.
It's not narcissistic to safeguard something you love... Nor do you need "CHARACTER" to step into action. That's like saying you need character to help out a car crash victim while others stand their watching. It just takes will. Tf...
@@moguldamongrel3054 I guess that depends on evervody's personal definition. I believe most people are good enough that if somebody is in trouble they want to help. But wanting to help or actually do it eith bravery and competence, is a big difference.
@@wubdo8409 Also, the hero is forever changed after achieving his goal. See: Joseph Campbell
I thought I'd seen almost every war movie there was, but then I watched 'Come and See' and realised I'd only seen one
Another one you should watch is "Grave of the Fireflies"
@@batteredskullsummit9854 thanks for the recommendation
the 3 hour long "warriors" and "Savior" are my two favourite anti-war movies, both about Bosnia.. I'd definitely recommend them to everyone who enjoys a war film in which there's not a single firefight
what a great comment
Same here. Incredibly thought provoking movie. How did I miss this till now? His transformation from small innocent boy. To an emotionally dead old man.
Something that always hurt was while watching *Saving Private Ryan* there’s a scene when they storm Normandy, and as they get close to close combat they come across two Nazi Soldiers who put their weapons down and hands up and yell “Please don’t shoot me! I am not German, I am Czech, I didn’t kill anyone! I am Czech!”. They say this in Czech and the American soldiers don’t know what they said so they shoot them. To majority of the people watching, this scene meant nothing more than two Nazis being killed in war; not two men killed fighting for a cause they did not like.
Well, the translator should put a subtitle so we can understand it, like "[In Checz] No stop dont shoot" or something
@@javanese-engineer They purposely didn't add a translation because unless you spoke Czech, you wouldn't know what they were saying. If they were to add subtitles, it would break the emersion of the movie. The whole point was to make you feel like the soldiers. They want you to feel like you're there, you're pushing the enemy back on the beaches of Normandy. If the translator is to show you what the chez men said, it is much harder to understand why the Americans shot them. To most people, that scene doesn't mean anything to them because in their heads, it was just two soldiers killing two enemy soldiers. That is the point of not adding subtitles.
I had heard about that some time after seeing the movie but that scene bothered me even before knowing the history. War is romanticized in many films but since a young age I wondered about the point that was brought up in the video of hoping for heroism and then dying a pointless death. Not to judge the actions of the American soldiers. As the video also stated, I have no idea what they just went through.
You've left out the part that the Americans perceived those guys to be shooting at them until they were flanked out of their position. Only THEN are they saying, "Don't shoot me." Their response is entirely understandable.
Huh, I knew it wasn't German, since I didn't understand a word they said, but I didn't know that. Cool detail.
_Come And See_ isn't just the greatest anti-war film I've ever seen - it's absolutely one of the greatest films in cinema history.
its not anti war film. There are few characters like mother of protagonist, they represent anti war position and they all dead in the end of the movie. The only ppl from the village who survived and alive in the end are partizans, ppl who dont have a duty to fight, simple peasants (more like plantation slaves due to the sssr kolhoz system but nvm) but they decided to become a soldiers and thats why they survived.
@@user-ne3ss9mk3k это как раз таки антивоенный фильм: суть в том чтобы показать какие ужасы несет за собой война, но если она случилась, то единственное что остается - это сражаться. и ссср по английски будет USSR
@@pulsatingAmbitions so its nc 17 war film. Whats your point? Every realistic nc 17 movie is anti-smth?
@@user-ne3ss9mk3k what does nc means?
@@pulsatingAmbitions не единственное, это слишком общее высказывание, одно дело - защищаться от нападения, другое дело - принимать участие в нападении
I'm an Iraq war veteran and the way you break down your argument makes a lot of sense to me. I still remember the Bush administration's "If you're not with us, you're against us" statements. Leaders can exploit real or perceived crises to engage our tribal nature and it usually never ends well.
How do you reconcile the truth with what you thought before? Interested how it affected you.
@@mrxtful I was 19 when I went in so I didn't have a lot of experience. 20 when I went to Iraq. Some of our guys looked down on the Iraqis, used slurs, that kind of thing. I always tried to point out how we would feel if someone invaded us, what did they think we would be doing? We'd be setting bombs and resisting. Pretty much every person I talked to about that agreed with me on some level. When I was initially there it was '10-'11, so the Iraq war was winding down and there were a lot of rumors going around that we'd pull out then because Obama had promised it in his platform. We were escorting convoys in and out of Iraq and towards the end we saw a lot of armor like Bradleys and APC's being taken out on flatbeds so we pretty much knew it was a done deal. When we left, I remember having a conversation with my direct NCO that after we were gone, a terrorist group would take about two years to rise to power and they would sweep away the national government by bringing a coalition of the various disjointed mujahidin fighters under one flag. We were right, and that turned out to be ISIS. I was bitter about the experience when I got home, I (naively) had believed we were honestly there to help the Iraqis, and besides giving some kids some food and energy drinks, or throwing water bottles to people who asked for it, we didn't do much interaction with the people. The level of poverty I saw there was crushing, people would ride around in dump trucks, entire families in the back on top of trash they had collected in the desert in the hope they could sell it for scrap. I saw people living in literal mud huts, the roadways were so polluted in the ditches that they turned blood red and pus green with chemicals. The sand was oppressive and quite a few days the dust storms were so bad it looked like you were on the surface of Mars with the red light from the sun only making it into the atmosphere. After I got back I started drinking a lot, I had been on the receiving end of bullets and indirect fire attacks and the stress of waiting to be blown up by a stranger who had been paid 300 dollars to kill you was a real mind fuck. What it did to me politically was push me to the left and make me extremely aware of what it would take to institute fascism, or how quickly a society could devolve, even here. It made me extremely wary of how easily corruption can destroy the mechanisms a society uses to redress grievances or just give people the feeling they're getting a fair shake. Corruption and chaos breeds a revolving door of instability and once a society has fallen into it, it is very difficult to right the ship. Sorry for the essay, I don't talk about it much anymore. It was nice to have someone ask.
@@TheRolvaag You write beautifully about things so serious and ominous. You should consider doing it more often. Anyway, thanks for taking the time.
@@TheRolvaag Thank you for this very moving and frank account of your experience.
@@TheRolvaag thank you for explaining. I think there is alot of wisdom you have that more young people should hear, especially now.
2007 KZhead: "Look at this British kid say 'Charlie bit my finger!'" 2020 KZhead: LSOO Narrator: "Let us examine the origins of human Evil and the effect it has on our hero systems to motivate us to kill each other in combat for what we believe is the Greater Good."
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Fuckin' A'. Sign me up brother. Entertainment is all well and good and necessary, but so is hard, deep questions about our very existence, the driving forces within us, and of both our inner lives and the nature of our socio/economic/political infrastructures, and what direction they are going. I love videos that delve into the tough fucking questions on life.
Pretty sure 2020 youtube is even more proliferated with your 2007 example.
Now if you draw it like that, it iss a huge improvement.
I think these kinds of discussions is exactly what this platform should be used for. It was designed for far simpler, but it functions better this way I feel.
"Hell cannot be so terrible as this. Humanity is mad, it must be mad to do what it is doing." French soldier, Battle of Verdun, WWI.
As a veteran of Iraq and Afghanistan back in 07 era, thank you. I've been out since 2011 and not many days go by that I don't wrestle with so much trying to make sense of any of it. I recall thoughts I had in firefights. Gleeful thoughts as I saw enemy combatants get blown off a roof nearby. So happy to see my enemies die. I know. It's disgusting. I've started crying as I write this. Overcome with the emotion of such evil that I gleefully invited into my heart. I'm not proud of my past attitudes and indifference. I take full responsibility for my actions and have spent a decade almost killing myself. A former severe alcoholic. Any drug I could get. I'm finally better but I can't say the same for many of my buddies. I must admit I do feel used. Tricked or duped in the very least. This film helped in some esoteric way. Thank you. I wish I had your wisdom 15 years ago when I so naively signed my life away for a lie.
It was you or them in that scenario, if you had the chance to walk away and came home, you would have. I hope you find inner peace, someday. 🙏
Stay strong man and remember you’re not alone
I thank my lucky stars that I was able to turn 18 in a country without conscription and by all the things that are good, I'd never blame a soldier for the things they unwittingly signed up for. I hope you're getting therapy and support and I'm happy to hear the video reached a target audience..
My heart goes out to you and I just want to give you a hug. I just want to say that going through all of that takes so much strength. So many soldiers choose to cling to the lies and avoid taking responsibility, but you don't and that shows precious integrity and insight. That's all you can do, no one is born with all the right answers. All we can do is endeavor to be honest about our experiences and go from there. I hope that means you have empathy for your younger self. Being young and trusting others is not a sin. Now you are able to discourage other young people from enlisting with full authority. Are you familiar with Veterans for Peace?
From a fellow Soldier, I completely understand.
I swear these videos could beat any Netflix “documentary” any day
I wish it was on Netflix so more people would see this. It’s a sad irony that people that should watch this with the power to change things probably never will or even have any desire to.
@@alexburke1899 no need for the Netflix to taint the vision and direction of this brillant documentary maker
That's a low bar tbh those videos are better than most of pay tv ones too tho
Netflixl documentaries don't mean shit lol. Those videos are like the most basic of basic documentaries.
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Yo, my man. This is like... dude this is a fucking master's thesis. And you gave it to us for free
Sometimes I can’t believe this sites contents are free. Especially when they’re as fantastic as this
Don't give KZhead ideas,please.
To me, "Come and See" was the most visceral and heartfelt emotion I've ever had from a film. I was entirely engrossed in the subject matter, and fully considered what it truly meant to be at war. I was a revelation that I have had with no other film since, prior, and I doubt in the future.
Watched this a few months back, its good to get away from the Hollywood bullshit and watch something worthwhile. Its an immense film, with a superb turn from the young lead.
This film is pure truth about the war, it is made by people who faught for their lives and land, who survived the nazi occupation, in Belarus hundreds of villages were burnt with all the people, hanged, shot, tortured. If you have a chance to travel to Belarus one day, visit the memorial Khatyn (or google it). And nazi collaborators, who assisted to massacre Russians, jews and Belarus, Polish people were Ukrainian nationalists. There is a moment in the film when these evils help to bring women with kids to a barn to burn alive. The film was made to remind people about what that horrible war was like. Not for showing off
It's the only war film I've seen that, insofar as it's possible, remains uncompromising in its anti-war message - there are no inspiring acts of heroism, there is no higher meaning achieved in all the violence. There is only a temporary state of hell on earth, and all we are left with is its direct consequences. As LSOO alludes to, part of the reason why it's so difficult to make a truly anti-war film is that it's simply too disturbing to sit through films designed to make one more fully understand exactly why war is so horrible. You essentially have to deliver a dose of genuine war trauma to all of your viewers, and then leave them to sort it out themselves, without any of the deep-seated cultural frameworks that typically comforts them with those things.
Fantastic video, really helped with some film analysis I had in mind, thank you.
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If this was for the all is quite on the western front video it was amazing, my first and favorite video of yours
Man the kid in "Come See" starts out as a typical fresh faced kid eager to fight but by the end he looks like a 70 year old man weary of the world.
In the triler video of that film here on YT, I watched a comment of a Polish telling the story of his long dead uncle, as a mirror to the kid in Come and See. Save his uncle with his brother came to their village after fishing and the murderous Nazis were still maraudering the area, spotting them and firing. The uncle could escape, his brother was hit by bullets and the running escapee could only glance once at his dying brother as the last time he saw him.
Kriegerdammerung Well, that is an interesting nickname in the context of the topic lsoo discusses here.
@@arnonuhm4022 Isoo is OG, mate! My nickname comes when I was reading the book Berlin the Downfall, the final chapter is Führerdammerung (A mushup involving the title of Hitler and a work of Wagner where the gods die, because in German and Norse folklore the gods are mortal, unlike their Greek counterparts) because Adolf Hitler had a fascination with Wagner that is explored in the book. Then I decided Krieger+dammerung would be a cool nickname
@iwonnatube I don't see gods, I only see religions in any case. But, yes, you are right.
The girl in it had me tranced. I think there may be two girl a or theres one who became unrecognizable because how she was treated. And she has this really , unique beauty about her too.
I think it was Plato who said "only the dead have seen the end of war" that about sums it up
exactly. violence is in the nature of human species. unfortunate, sad, and true. whether we like it or not, want to see it or not, accept it or reject it, just like in the animal kingdom, the hunt is exhilarating. just watch toddlers on the playground... we are programmed for it and it seeps out at the earliest age. however, we are capable of deep reflection, compassion, empathy and reason and this is a way to tame the wild beast inside of us. great analysis. war is a tragedy all around. no winners... but at times necessary. peace.
George Santayana.
This quote has not yet been located in any of Plato's works.
Man, you googled it like 85 %
@@mihailkrylov4055 Ridley Scott's 2001 movie "Black Hawk Down"
i think the most powerful anti-war films are the ones that take place after the damage happened. Grave of the Fireflies barely had any of the war in it but the destruction and devastation of the people afterwards… i’d say it’s an anti-war film
I'm happy to see this comment. _Grave of the Fireflies_ was the first thing I thought of at the mention of "anti-war" film. I could be wrong, but my gut instinct questions the intentions of any and every self-proclaimed anti-war film that's told from the perspective of the "winning" side (as is always the case with Hollywood).
@@EchoJ Grave of the Firefly is still a Propaganda movie to humanized the Japanese war crimes did. Empathy is powerful for both good and bad
Even Miyazaki sugar coated the Wind Rises
Where the Wind Blows is another good one. And takes place in an alternate reality where the actual events did not occur in reality, so it can’t be used to excuse, justify, or create revisionist history for any real events
I watched Come and See for the first time today and Its without a doubt the best war film I've ever seen. Very sad movie
The kids face is so emotive. That mixed with the masterful style makes the terror of it all really come to life.
I'm in the military and I really enjoyed this. Especially the part about the 'great military taboo' - that could not be more true and it sits in the back of every mind. One thing I would like to add - and its hardly intellectual - but people go to war because they love to fight. There's very little of the philosophizing - most of the boys just really love a scrap. There's a second thing I noticed, and that is that war is an escape from the stresses and responsibility of normal life at home - marital stresses, financial worries and all the rest. It sounds mundane but there it is.
Bro, you may think you know how right you are, but you really don't. A lot of your old seniors have mentors still dying to deploy again. I still want to deploy again. I'm out now, and I still long to leave my home to go off to some random place where bills, appointments, car issues, family issues, just melt away leaving only "the mission".
I guess it's different when it's you, your loved ones and everyone you know that die and suffer everyday because of that same war. But hey! Who cares if it's just some random-ass people in the other side of the world, while your spouse and children are safe and sound, right? As long as you're having fun Hope you never have to be on the other side of the fence, i doubt you'd feel the same way if this were the case
@@anderazkuna6698 why the hostility and creepy anger my friend? We're all here to be open and discuss things with a warm and open mindset.
WhyDoIkeepDyin he is not wrong though. it is easy for people to talk about the “desire” to return to war or to have an escape from the reality at home. but, if this was happening in the OP commenters country, it would be an entirely different feeling. there wouldn’t be such a strong desire for war. Patrick has a selfish, albeit honest for americans, way of thinking about war.
@@wtrzs I've literally talked with hundreds of foreign soldiers about war and their deployments. Its the same feelings. It is a truly somber moment when you and the guy you just shot at realise you're killing each other for the same reasons. Again, there was no need for the creepy anger or malicious wording.
Come and see has left me scarred. This film is so personal so revolting.
i know what u mean; i read the subtitles when i feel like i can't take it anymore.. (or i read the comment section;
That movie royally f-ed my brain. I was legitimately upset for weeks. ......And then I watched it 4-5 more times.
This movie is the closest thing to an AntiWar film. The driving forces in it are not heroics. Its just the raw terror of a real destruction and extermination horror suddenly waged on common people. The scary thing is that reality was even worse.
I watched it for the first time last year and it was pretty jarring
i remember when i first saw that movie. thinking "well ive seen all these other messed up movies. im kind of decensitized to movie violence so i can handle it"..... i was not prepared for what i watched. i expected another cliche "the nazi's killed innocent people but this guy saved them all" story and i got basically what it actually is.... a peek into hell. then later i watched it again but atleast i was a little more prepared. then i got it on Bluray because i wanted to check out the special features which included some survivors accounts which are more horrifying than the movie itself.
I think I read somewhere that the director of Come and See used his own experiences during the war. And he said he didn't put in the worst because people wouldn't believe it. The Einsatzgruppen were animals, especially the Dirlewanger Brigade.
It's fascinating how human beings can become so evil!
Correct. The director survived the siege of Stalingrad as a child and the screenwriter was a teenage partisan in Belarus.
Apparently at one point when the film was shown in Germany, an older German man stood up, said that he was an officer of the Wehrmacht, and that the film was entirely true, and that his shame was that his children and grandchildren would see it.
My grandfather became a POW after his ship the HMAS Perth was sunk by Japanese torpedoes in march 1942. He was captured ashore in Java, transported via Japanese hell ships to Singapore. He was amoungst the first group of POWs transported to work as forced labour on the Burma death rail. Only 218 of the ships 681 crew returned home. As much as people talk shit on Japan's treatment of POWs, the only thing my grandfather had to say on the subject was that a Japanese cook helped him by providing him with boiling water when he had a staph infection. It don't seem like much of a help to me, but he sure was grateful of it.
My grand uncle was a Polish officer and escaped off a Russian POW train in September 1939. He'd have been shot at Katyn had he not escaped. He lived on to be over a 100 years old when he died.
When ever I read the lord of the rings I cry when, during Aragon’s crowning, Ioreth mistakenly tells her friend that Frodo went into Mordor and fought the dark lord him self. I never really understood what in that small passage tugged on my emotions so much. I always thought I used to cry because I knew something Ioreth didn’t. I knew that, for Frodo, nothing he did felt heroic. He was trying to fulfill his duty to destroy the ring. This duty which not only he failed to achieve but also one that left him maimed for life, physically and mentally. So, to see Ioreth mistakenly praising him alongside the whole city without really understanding they were praising, in a way, the utter destructions of Frodo’s life always made me pity Frodo. And until today that was my best guess to why I always cry in that small passage. This video made me think maybe there is a whole different reason I might be crying when Ioreth delivers her line. Amazing video!!!!
Yikes
I thought about LOTR too! I believe it is also easier for us to accept the enormous number of deaths during the battles because most of them are of orcs, evil creatures that are not even close to being human and don't have backstories. And during the segment in the battle of Helm's Deep in which kids and old men receive weapons, I cry every time too.
I say it is for two reasons. Us humans rarely are one thing entirely.
In all these years of watching LOTR, I had never realized that Elijah Wood was actually trying to portray that very feeling in this face. Thanks for giving more nuance to what is already one of the best films in history!
It's worth remembering that Tolkien served in, and was deeply affected by the Great War. Perhaps that had some bearing on how he wrote that passage.
As a war veteran, this isn't just a great video on the problems in anti war films, it's a great translation of our own complex relationship with war and violence. I've struggled with the banality of evil and my own actions in war and in explaining my own reasons for participating in the hell of combat. I'll need to watch this a few times because you knocked it out of the park, and you've made me interested enough in Becker to pick up his books.
@Erwin Lii I think a lot of the onus is put on the individuals to be accountable, which is not entirely unfair. These are tough and valid questions. But too often, we are not critical enough of the structures that perpetuate this violence. I live with a veteran who enlisted with the US Navy at 17 because he came from an abusive home and had no money. The US military is built on the backs of the poor. They recruit from impoverished communities, advertise through movies and games that are popular among youth, and dangle the promise of free school and even citizenship. It's an insidious system that churns people up and dumps them out with next to no support. This video is particularly good because it illuminates society's obsession with these stories in contrast with its neglect of veterans.
oh look a murderer trying to look good
@@worldsunreal2046 You know what strikes me everytime I see a comment like this? It's always "Oh, veterans came home fucked up", but there is never a thought for the people on the countries the us invaded, it is surreal.
The roots of evil stem from self worship and putting our self above all others wants and needs. It started with the devil attempting to become God. Think about every major war. WWII is best example. Hitler literally thought Germans were above all other humans, to the point of killing all other kinds against races simliar to his. Germans are just humans like any other.
@@Mr1van5 The two aren't mutually exclusive. What's surreal is seeing someone wonder why someone else didn't talk about x when x had nothing to do with what they were talking about.
I had to watch Saving Private Ryan as a part of my English class after watching Come And See a year earlier. I can say with full confidence that both movies were made with different audiences in mind. Private Ryan was made as an ideal modern Hollywood blockbuster depiction of war we are familiar with meanwhile Come And See is a movie of suffering and atrocity which war truly is, it has a perfect ending that shows nobody winning. That’s the astonishing difference I found between those movies almost like night and day
Thank you. All the men before me in my family joined. None of them saw combat. I did though. One of my closest friends was killed in Somalia and I was shot twice. I still struggle with losing him and not being able to do anything in that moment. My family calls me a “hero” but all I can remember is him lying dead on the sand
bro what the fuck. why did i read that whole thing before seeing your minecraft pfp?
stay strong brother
I never served, but I went to juvie for a few months when I was 15. Some people learn this about me and judge me as a criminal. Others think it's cool and wanna hear all about how it was. But when I think of it all I ever remember is listening to a 13 year old kid s couple bunks down from me who would cry for his mom every night because the older boys kept beating him up and stealing his food, just cause he was smaller. The only ones I've ever met who get it are other people who have been locked up. Everyone else just has their preconceived notions. Some think I'm a thug, some think I'm a badass, and others clearly feel sorry for me, but none of them get what it's actually like.
@@georgewilliamson5667 it’s impossible for us to understand having not been through it. You deserve people in your life who are at least willing to listen, though. Hope you’re doing well mate.
"For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life" --John 3:16. Because of our sin, we deserve God's eternal wrath which would be brought to us in hell. However, He had mercy and pity on us and sent His Son, God's Word incarnate, down to earth to live the perfect sinless life no human could ever live. Jesus absorbed on the cross God's wrath of His chosen people, those who were or would be saved. He then died, and rose again on the third day, proving victory over the curse of death. Jesus is now in heaven with God the Father on the right hand side on His throne. "Whoever calls upon the name of the Lord will be saved"--Romans. It's not too late. Ask for forgiveness. God bless you.
Come and See scarred me on an emotional and psychological level. I think everyone should see it though.
maybe in 10th grade but yeah every one should wtch this movie
I will, when I feel a little stronger.
@@louistracy6964 Just watched it myself. Watch it when you feel you are ready. It's a truly horrifying movie, but I think if everyone understood its message, there would be no more war.
@@Sirvalian It was made in the Soviet Union. But it's a film about the holocaust on the Eastern Front. Everything that the Nazis do in the movie is accurate. Anything written by credible historians (AKA not Holocaust deniers or Stalinists) will back up what is shown in this movie. The writers wanted to make the film this way, taking years to get it approved by soviet censors. In spite of the oppression in the Soviet Union, aided by the memories of those who were there, the makers of this film crafted the most accurate, visceral, but respectful depiction of the Holocaust I have seen to date. Please give context to your comments, because someone could read your comment and assume the movie is not good and not watch it.
Most people don’t have the attention span for it
I was a soldier in a war. 30 years ago. And since then I was not watch a single war movie with guns. I just can't. Thanks for this wonderful video and your deep insights.
That is a more reasonable reaction to me than these people who get addicted to it and go on to do it for profit and adventure.
My pops is the same way with prison movie.
@@keithsimpson2685 Odd you would basically make a “them” argument out of people who struggle to return to society after essentially being abandoned with only what they know. They go back to something they are good at, because it’s what they know. The fact that you think it’s “profit and adventure” is as naive as a child who wishes for “all wars to end”
@@rbrick3685 I think all wars ending is actually not that hard depending on what comes next
@@rbrick3685 I love your comment.
watching the 2022 remake of All Quiet on the Western Front made feel like that it was the first time I'd seen a truly anti war film. The way that they showed the solders as nothing more than teenage boys dying in pathetic un heroic ways, and how the French were seen by them as this cold calculated mechanical terminator like army that was well fed and well equipped and seemed unstoppable while they (the German boys) where poorly trained and starving barely even knowing how to shoot a gun properly just blindly firing at the French as fast as possible without aiming in a panic and the ending, oh wow the ending, truly makes you realize what a tragedy WWI really was.
this AQOTWF 2022 followed the book about ten percent. The 1933 & 1980s versions are a hundred times better. This 2022 version is I suppose this generation of Germans coming to terms with WW1
@@user-gm5bv2ez2rI feel like it's more like its own thing, not necessarily a movie version of the book. Instead of diving super deep into Bäumers psychology, it instead puts heavy focus on the disconnect between enlisted men and high ranking military leaders, and how the average soldier is viewed as just another number on a report of casualties. I think it's an incredible film, but not a great adaptation of the book.
I joined the Army in 1991, four years after Full Metal Jacket came out and the movie was mostly viewed as a comedy by the guys I served with. Lines that were likely intended to be disturbing were usually repeated as jokes (for example, the one about shooting women and children). I don’t believe that was the intent when making that film, but that’s how it seemed to be received among active duty military (in my personal experience, at least). I was still in the military when Saving Private Ryan came out and I remember watching it in the theater with a bunch of tankers and they were laughing and cracking jokes almost throughout the entirety of the D-Day landing scene. However the scene with Cpl. Uppam breaking down in the stairwell seemed to provoke intense feelings of anger and hatred throughout the audience. After the end credits rolled, I definitely remember one guy yelling out that he never wanted to see the movie again because Uppam survived.
100% agree. We used to repeat the lines as jokes.
Thank you for your service! If you haven't seen Life is Beautiful (1997), that movie had similar controversy because the premise of that movie is a father trying to make everything in the concentration camp seem like a game to protect his child from the horrors surrounding them. The other victims in the concentration camp also get annoyed that it appears like this man is just trying to be funny. It is really heartbreaking to see how the father maintains a cheerful composure in front of his son but he is truly just as terrified as everyone else. I interpreted those jokes (in Full Metal Jacket) as the characters being so desensitized to the violence that they have developed a cynical view of humanity. They see so much violence that the jokes are like nothing compared to the evil they have seen. I think that Stanley Kubrick intended for their disturbing jokes to show the insanity that comes from experiencing war. I do understand why people would interpret the jokes that way because nothing about wartime is funny, but neither director had those intentions. Their jokes make me so sad in both movies but that is just my version of trying to understand and there can be lots of different ways to be impacted by both stories
The amount of times we said " I wanted to be the first kid on my block with a confirmed kill" as the reason we joined the army was actually insane. I joined in 2017 lol
I joined in 1987 and while I was in training Full Metal Jacket came out. It had an unsettling effect on the drill sergeants as they raked us over the coals in warning us "Don't even fucking think about it...." I had no idea what they were talking about but at the time it appeared to me to be an over wrought hysterical response to an effing movie, of all things. In retrospect, given the extremes of emotion a person is driven to when undergoing such harsh training, I think their fears might have been more justified than I thought. I know I was driven to extremes by the harsh treatment and I at least used to fantasize about beating the absolute shit out of one drill sergeant in particular who had for reasons unknown taken special attention to my squad and tormented us every chance he got. Yeah, I accept now that harsh treatment in training is necessary, considering what we were training for (cavalry scout, in my case, something at the time which was considered an elite and not long before I entered were one of the few MOSs that were wearing berets, a black one with an armor patch) but I also see how things like mass shootings and suicides seem to multiply the more notoriety and news coverage they get. If the mental ground is already fertile to extremes, sometimes all it takes is a suggestion. And wouldn't you know, during the time I was at Ft. Knox training a drill sergeant did get killed by a private with a rifle at the gunnery range. It was called an accident.
I find very few war movies are truly anti-war and it is for reasons like those you mention here. I think perhaps the only one that truly comes to mind is Grave of the Fireflies and perhaps Barefoot Gen. Both are movies told from the perspective of civilians who are on the losing side of the conflict. They show what war does to the everyday man, woman, and child where there is no glory, just death, dehumanization, suffering, and famine.
"Come and See" is a Soviet film, not specifically Russian. Both Belarusian and Russian film companies were involved. Sorry for correcting, but it is important for people of all ex-soviet republics to be recognized as, you know, themselves.
Not entirely sure what you meant at the end (even tho I have a good guess, and I approve if so), but I fully agree that the distinction was needed. Thanks!
It's just a Soviet film. Why should one praise either of the modern countries for the product of culture and economic system that does not exist anymore? That is incorrect. Let's give them credits for the modern era movies. "Fortress of War" ("The Brest Fortress") is an example of a joint Russian and Belarusian modern war movie. There are some examples of transitional movies of course. "In the August of 1944" was a joint product again, but directed by a soviet filmmaker. Anyways, if one would like to emphasize the specificity or sovereignty, it is better to refer to the products of the independent countries with different economic, political and cultural regimes featuring this specificity and sovereignty. IMHO, no offence. Peace out!
>Белоруссия и Россия >русские не вижу ошибки
@@DocentStalker ага, пиши на русском, конечно же они тебя поймут
@@robertstan298 I guess the last sentence implies that while technically the movie is a Soviet production, made by Russian and Belorussian studios, in particular, it is important not to narrow "Soviet" to only Russian, because it leaves out all other peoples who were also Soviet and fought and died in that war.
The grave of the fireflies and come and see is the best anti-war films of all both traumatised me emotionally.
Okinawa was Hell on earth, hearing the story of Tomiko Higa is truly heartbreaking and she was only one among tens of thousands.
Paths of Glory is a worthy watch too.
@@davy_K extraordinary picture.
Grave of the fireflies is heart wrenching. I also think das boot is one of the best,
Bruh I watched Grave of the fireflies with my lil sis. It hit in a way I didn't expect. After the credits rolled I just leaned over and gave lil sis a hug.
Its even crazier when you think that all this is just through the eyes of men too, women are likely having an entire different experience watching these films, which I'm sure is feeding some other deep emotions that I'd love to see a similar video like this on.
Interesting
Ooh, good comment. I wonder how the experience compares.
A president has to ask to go to war, when congress voted to go to war in ww2, the only one to vote against it was a woman, look up what she said about it.
As a woman, the rape in war horrifies me the most. I'm not a man, so I can't say that it's worse then death, but to a lot of women it is. Especially in those times when your respect was tied to your sexuality and young women were virgin unless married and had no experience with sex. It was entirely an intimate family matter. What horrifies me the most is that so many men, so many HUMANS, could be brainwashed with so much hate that they would rape innocent women and even female children and grandmothers that took no part in the war, that never hurt them or their family. I understand that there will always be a few rapists out of many men, but war proved that the majority of men could become rapists. I don't understand how men could leave the seed of their child in woman as a punishment. So many women fell pregnant. How could they be so soulless to punish an innocent woman by making them birth their biological child? Have these men no attachment to their child? I don't understand how normal men can be lead to do any of this.
@@khansazainab7490 I want to know if ''every man'' is actually capable of doing this. I want to hear stories of men that refused to rape because they are good people... or at least be informed if noone ever did refuse.
this is amazing, all of it.... "this is where we have to move away from successes and shortcomings of war films and towards the role we play as their audience -- because if filmmakers are complicit at failing at anti-war, then so are we."
After seeing five minutes of this, I feel I'd be cheating myself if I didn't stop and watch Come and See before proceeding. The images from that film are astounding.
For what it's worth, the video doesn't really spoil it and only discusses it briefly, but yeah, the film is an absolute must-see!
It's on the criterion channel!
Hot take, that movie makes Schindler List look like adventure time.
@@LikeStoriesofOld I just ordered the blu ray. (By the way, I'm truly in awe of this channel.)
It's a serious contender for the greatest film of all time. I went in with the highest possible expectations and they were exceeded one-hundredfold.
I saw Come and See when it was released on theaters, the art circuit in Rio. I remember the audience was in shock. Like people did not stand up and leave the theatre imeadiately, it was as if we all needed some minutes deal with the experience. That movie in the big screen is haunting to this day. I´ve seen it again in video. It is simply the best "anti war movie" ever made.
Hands down agree with you. I ended up watching that film as a kid in and was so horrible i had to sleep with my parents for a week or so. Years later during a tv re-run of it i realized it also was one of the best pieces of cinema ive ever seen and that still shocks me to the core.
come and see is just boringly anti-violence
@@marcomartins3563 Não,é um filme que mostra a realidade cruel que a guerra é. No,It’s a movie that shows the cruel reality of what a war is.
@@jadeyunetdicaprio5754 no its a gay movie by commies
@@marcomartins3563 I understand. You're precisely the type of person willingly going to war and ready to die for nothing simply from the illusion of heroism and support from the hierarchy, giving just the amount of (self) satisfaction to fulfill your mission of serving their own purposes. Brainwashed it is called I guess.
"Come and See" is the greatest war/antiwar movie ever made, and it's not a Hollywood movie. It was made by Soviet filmmaker Elem Klimov in 1985 in the USSR. I have watched it countless times, and nothing can be as terrifyingly beautiful as this film.
I was a combat medic with the 82nd Airborne and I went to Iraq in 2009 to 10. Western Iraq was quiet then, we trained the Army, we secured peaceful elections, and we provided medical aid to tiny villages. I'm still to this day conflicted on whether what I did mattered or not. I didn't see combat which is a very good thing but also constantly makes me question myself for not having been exposed to it. Something dangerous and out of my hands. I don't know why I typed all this but thank you for this video. Subscribed.
You are a war criminal. Plain and simple.
39:00 I always looked at him murdering the drill instructor and himself showed that he finally accomplished his boot camp training of becoming a killing machine
A killer was what they wanted and a killer was what they got. They just didn't think it through.
Been saying this in regards to Pyle's character arc for a long time now
Just one veteran's perspective: I started watching ultra violent war movies at a young age. One of my favorites as a kid was Thin Red Line. To me it seemed super authentic depicting combat and it's stance on war itself somewhat morally grey. I found myself deeply moved by the most tragic scenes in the film and would watch them over and over and I would cry each time. Such scenes, wouldn't make me think or question my own ideas as much as they would leave me in awe of what I can only assume as an outsider looking in, was pure psychic devastation on these individuals going through what they went through. The first time I experienced anything qualitatively similar, when a friend of mine was killed in action I definitely did not feel the anguish I thought I would. I first chalked it up to the fact that he was not particularly close, but still someone I cracked jokes with when we passed each other... we went out occasionally on our days off back in garrison. Also that I'd not seen him die myself. His humvee had struck an IED and he was blown out through the up armored door and splattered some 20 feet away. I was in the QRF to relieve his squad, so I caught the aftermath well after his remains were sent on away medavac bird. I only caught the stains on the road... After the initial chaos had subsided, the damage assessed, returning to our small firebase, all the troops gathered in formation to receive a small pep talk by our enlisted leadership... "head on a swivel boys", "the fights just beginning" that kind of shit ... I stood in the shower meditating on the events of that day, of my first friend to die in a war and I can't say I felt anything close to what I imagined. Even afterwards, in more kinetic engagements, that is to say no-shit I was in gun fights, and in an instance where I too had to be medavace'd for my own injury while yet another friend had died from small arms fire nearby... I can't say that sadness and despair is what I felt. Not even during the memorial ceremonies...not even while packing up his belongings to ship to his recently wed/ now widow back in Massachusetts. No doubt I certainly saw others around me who exhibited those behaviours, like severe grief and anger in the heat of the moment. I was jealous of their passion. That they could mourn so strongly and hate so strongly. From my end I can say that, in such moments, I wavered between feelings of fear, anxiousness, and blind aggression... just trying to do certain things under duress, like speaking calmly over a radio to relay grid coordinates. All this to say in a long winded way that one can be lost to extreme focus, detached from an emotional state during moments of real violence, but when confronted with fictional violence where no control or power is held to change the outcome... they can break down in tears. That's my personal case at least. I became a warfighter for a number of vague and naive reasons, like money and familial duty and such, but being able to experience strong emotions was on that list somewhere... and truth be told, war doesn't beat a good war movie.
Fantastic story. Thank you!
Respect. Beautifully put.
I have just watched the movie "nothing new on the western front" (2022 version) and it was terrifying. truly an anti-war film.
Absolutely. The film stayed with me for days.
*all quiet on the western front*
Far weaker than the previous versions and the book.
That film was truly terrifying to me. Every scene had me frozen, my eyes glued to the screen. Paul and his friends were just kids. Kids being fed lies of heroism and propaganda by their government. One by one Paul watched his friends die, then finally he was gone. And in the end they were just names on dog tags, bodies on the battlefield.
@@SpidaMez The translations change depending on the country. As a matter of fact, I feel like English titles are the only ones going by "All quiet on the Western Front". Most are something along the lines of "Nothing new on the Western Front" or "New news from the Western Front"
at my high school, the principal was really onto the military and invited the military recruiters out every month with like speeches signup booth, and the works. and on the other side was one great history teacher that every student had to pass through at some point. who always told the story of this famous football player who got out of a 2 million dollar contract to go join the army and within just a few years he was dead in a friendly fire incident, complete accident no one was charged or anything just a pure senseless loss of life. but because he was technically killed in action the us army ran a whole bunch of recruitment ads about this "famous American war hero who died serving his county". and it took his family suing the military to get them to stop running the ad. the manipulation of tragedy into propaganda had a big impact on me and well of all the efforts my principal had of my graduating class of 560 only 2 of them decided to pursue some type of military career(I think one was an eagle scout, and the other to the chair force and wanted to parlay that into an airline job). my point is that there are a lot better anti-war stories than what is in films because there is an incentive for films to be mass market and widely excepted why take a chance on a risky premouse like anti-war. that's why they always betray the message right at the last moment just so the people like my principal don't leave a bad review. my thought is that if it doubts the honor and mystique of battle then it's anti-war. but the modern anti-war film isn't persuasive to people who buy into the honor complex tho. you'd maybe have to go with some non-holywood foreign stuff to get something that is actually committed to the idea.
You are talking about Pat Tillman, vocally anti war and it doesn’t seem like his death was “senseless” it seems to have been an execution. Much of the early reports are blatant lies. “A report described in The Washington Post on May 4, 2005, prepared at the request of Tillman's family by Brigadier General Gary M. Jones, revealed that in the days immediately following Tillman's death, Army investigators were aware that Tillman had been killed by friendly fire, shot three times in the head at less than 10 yards away, according to Army doctors.” That doesn’t sound like an accident to me. “Senior commanders within the U.S. Central Command, including former Commander of the United States Central Command (CENTCOM) General John Abizaid, were notified by the P4 memo,[27] which described Tillman's "highly possible" fratricide, four days before Tillman's nationally televised memorial service during which he was lauded as a war hero for dying while engaging the enemy.” His clothes and his journals- in which he was highly critical of the war- were also burned by some in his unit. So the killing and coverup was much MUCH more malicious than I think most people know about.
no accident That player was murdered by his squad members for questioning the purpose of the US's war on terror. They use him for recruitment ads and stuff now Pat Tillman was a hero who recognized the atrocities he was committing and was murdered for it.
@@ik-ub3dj Yup, there was a trail or something.
My grandfather, a WWII veteran, grounded my view of war before any war films were given a chance to skew it. "We weren't heroes. It's just something I did." To this day I don't regard soldiers as heroes or villains. They're simply people that did their job. Instead of trying to virtue signal by thanking them or making a big deal, I just talk with them. I understand their views well enough from listening that I often get asked what branch I was in despite my never having served. War films shouldn't make heroes or villains of the soldiers in them. They should portray them as humans experiencing the most horrific of human experiences. People that in the end like any one of us just want somebody to have a beer with them, hear their story, laugh with them, cry with them, and if possible be their friend. Nothing more, nothing less.
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How could you miss "Ivan's childhood" (1962) .. possibly the best anti war movie ever made.
Thin Red Line is so underrated. Most people don't even know it exists, and it is level above Saving Private Ryan.
father of a soldier is a movie where father goes to war to find his son. somewhat similar to save private Ryan. in my opinion, also level above
Thin red line had me horrified… to this day it’s just too much.
That film defo sucks ass, some directors just shouldn't do war films, Malik is one of them.
I am the first non-officer in my family in five generations and once I asked my uncle - a professional reconnaissance pilot at the time - why did he join the Armed Forces. I was surprised when instead of giving the standard time-tested list of universally acceptable reasons (which you heard a million times), he told me: "It saves you from thinking about your life too much. You join the institution that has persisted through the millennia, has rich symbology, and is praised by the people of your nation. You are surrounded by like-minded people and firmly believe you could do no wrong. Just follow the orders and your life will be righteous and have meaning". At that moment it felt like an intimate confession, but I have come to see it as something far more universal - a heroic system, as Becker puts it. And a heroic system based on violence is a very dangerous thing. As is intellectual laziness. Think critically and keep the big picture in mind when you choose to align with any ideology. And never stop questioning it. And have a nice day :)
but ultimately geopolitics can lead to conflict over common resources and one has no choice but to rely on those institutions to feed your people. Were all the same people. But some people have something you need to keep your daughter alive. And that will push you to try and preserve and pass on your genes rather than theirs.
I admire his honesty, and while at first I was going to criticize it as a kind of cowardly thing to avoid life like that. Then I came to my senses and realized I did the same thing with drugs, just so I didn't have to think about my life too much. Life in it's totality is a mind jarring and exhaustive thing to think about, throw in all the horrors and terrible things that happen, and you can't blame anyone for accepting a pleasing illusion over the raw reality all day every day.
@@carlosandleon This is hardly ever the real case though. There is no need for any of us to lack basic necessities if we could cooperate globally, and let our intelligence make the rules over our base human instincts. Utopian idea, I know, but we are steadily moving closer to it. It is a bumpy road though.
@@plainlake im not saying its unattainable, but it needs time and there will be geopolitical conflict along the way.
I radically disagree. That system you refer to is not built on violence. It is built on a sense of obligation to defend. Violence is always a result of defending something you believe in and, in the long run, will never leave the human condition and, honestly? Thats a good thing. There is way to much disrespect and misunderstanding of the human condition. The denigration of physical violence may SEEM a good thing but, more often than not, it actually takes away from being a fully formed human. Too much philosophy has softened our minds and our wils. I think you just proved that for me.
Two interesting facts: The first is that the US military/CIA oversee all Hollywood films that involve the US military and/or references to the US military. The second is that recruitment always goes up after a Hollywood war film is released, even if that film is considered "anti-war". The conclusion is that Hollywood does not, and fundamentally cannot, make an anti-war film.
Or that anti-war films are a myth. At the end of the day, film-makers can't control the reactions of their audience. People WANT to believe heroism is attainable, and they will see proof it is possible anywhere if necessary.
This is a myth unfortunately, the US military does not oversee film productions that are using depictions of US military personnel. I can't tell you how many times I've watched a movie or seen a TV show where there was some jacked up aspect of how a military character was portrayed, like two privates standing and addressing each other at parade rest, or a uniform with the wrong ribbons, or an upside down rank, or (and I fucking hate this) having the collar on the ACU top popped and velcroed. No one who ever served in that uniform would pop their collar and use the velcro unless it was a very specific set of circumstances, like someone next to you was shooting a firearm and the hot brass had a chance to go down your blouse. There are certain movies where the US military was invited to partner, like the movie Top Gun. Usually military movies (if they want to be accurate) will hire a former career military advisor who has the specific job of working for the film industry to ensure the military culture and uniforms are depicted accurately. A prime example of that would be Captain Dale Dye, a Vietnam veteran who worked on Saving Private Ryan and Band of Brothers. It is true though that some movies boost recruitment, Top Gun is famous for having boosted the Navy's recruitment numbers when the first film came out.
@@TheRolvaag a good way to tell if the movie was oversaw and maybe even partially funded by the US military is if it uses any real-life military hardware currently still in active service that is difficult or impossible for a private citizen to attain (UH-60's and other military helicopters, for example). It will also has some small text squirrelled away at the back of the end credits, where the production team 'thank' the US Army or such for their 'guidance' etc. So no, not all Hollywood war movies are oversaw by the US military, but there are ways of telling which are. Once you know what to look out for, you know when to up your level of sketisism when watching films or TV shows, which is a crucial part of thinking critically about the media we consume. I believe that is an important part of avoiding (at best) being misled by a misguided message, or at worst insidious propaganda.
Perhaps you are unaware of the Entertainment Liaison Office? The ELO has had a hand in over a thousand films and TV shows since 2005, including the entire MCU. Anything from Iron Man to Army Wives and Ice Road Truckers.
Well, Pentagon Wars was totally made with private money. It's said that if you want to use USA goverment harware, you cant show the US government as an evil, just one or some members of it can be evil, that at the end must be punished somehow for their actions, now you can see how many hollywood "anti-wars" movies work.
Stalingrad 1993 is a great movie, so underrated and so unknown . . . One of my favorite elements, which it focused on, are the wounded, field hospitals, focusing on the fact that in war a soldier does not always die immediately, and often lies in pain and mud, often until death. The scene of the airport in Pytomnik is also good, it shows how these people, fearing death and wanting the only rescue that was the plane, behave like animals, more the situation and stuffing them into a large group shows a completely inhuman and terrible fight for rescue, these people soldiers are already running to the end of their strength, it should be remembered that the wounded were consumed at this airport, many did not survive after that and died of the cold. Many of them lost their fingers and other limbs to the cold during this pushing, and many were trampled underfoot. The sad thing is that after the last plane flew away from this airport, no one helped those people anymore, then the airport was attacked by the Soviets.
I grew up and around a strong military mindset. My dad is a retired Marine, my mom and my oldest brother served in the Marines, and then I went on and served 5 years in the Marines. One point I'd like to make is that for us growing up, it didn't matter if films were pro or anti-war. It was ingrained in us that war was inevitable and necessary. That there was evil in the world and it had to be fought and conquered. Couple that with a hardcore Roman Catholic belief system, it was our reality that "evil" was something we'd have to deal with our entire lives. It took me years to give myself permission to challenge that mentality (thank you Socrates) and even more time to finally overcome it. I do think there will come a time where war will only be real in history books. But it's going to take quite a bit of awakening, which I believe has already begun.
@Mrs. Arthur Morgan I do not see humanity's desire for conflict as a defect. I believe it is part of our evolution. I agree that people are addicted to war and suffering itself. I think people DO want that Star Trek type of reality but they are afraid of it. People latch onto what they are familiar with. We stay addicted to suffering because even though it may hurt, we feel that we understand it and that we are in control of our lives that way. For the first time in our history, everyone has access to the bulk of information. As we teach more and more people to think for themselves, they will witness how they are influenced by outside sources. That their desire for war and violence is not actually what they want, it was forced upon them. Like The Matrix, people will reject enlightenment at first. But as we continue to see more and more glimpses of it, there will be no going back.
great words thank you
War as we know it seems to have largely disappeared in the developed world and is mostly relegated to fighting terrorism in the developing world. Instead we have misinformation campaigns, cyber attacks, political espionage and diplomatic friction. I suppose violence is not necessary when you can disrupt, mislead and coerce entire populations into empowering those who would historically have been the beneficiaries of war.
@@adammac125 - "As we teach more and more people to think for themselves..." Everyone is already thinking for themselves. What does that even mean? Say what it really is. Changing what people think. Missionary work.
@@holyworrier many, if not most, people do not think for themselves. Everyone has the ability to do so. Those that don't do it, allow others to think for them and they go along with it. It can be difficult to teach people to find their own answers without influencing them with your own beliefs. But I'm not sure what you mean by missionary work.
When I saw "Anti-War Film", first that came into my mind was "Grave of the Fireflies"!
Agreed. Grave of the Fireflies, City of Life and Death and Come and See are, possibly, the most anti-war films I've ever seen.
There is also that movie about a mine survivor of ww1 who lost almost all his body and is trapped in a hospital bed.
@@capscaps04 "Johnny got his Gun"
@@capscaps04 Johnny got his Gun. It is almost a terror movie.
@@soppdrake Yeah, that movie is very underrated.
I try to write stories containing heroism and sometimes war. Thank you for this as I often struggle trying to understand it all, and try to write something of worth.
"Rush not into fights, long is the war, only by Surviving it, will you prevail." - Grand Master Yoda of the Jedi Order, a critique of Heroism.
I would have loved to hear you discuss the 1930 version of all quiet on the western front. In my opinion it comes closer than any other war movie to challengung the hero paradox. The main characters in that film are lied to and go to war because of those lives. Upon getting there they are progressively picked off one by one. They constantly question the power structures that put them there. When the main main character kills a french soldier he then tries to save him and feel profound and deep guilt over his actions and at the end of the movie when he dies, having been the last of his friends still living he dies unceremoniously to the hands of a sniper while in his trench do nothing more than reaching for a butterfly. With the culture context built into the movie you know that these characters also die for nothing as they loose the war.
I agree. The ending shot is so poignant, showing the 2nd batch of young indoctrinated boys arriving to meet the same fate, over a shot of a field of white crosses.
Accompanied by that terrible yet poignant final line from the book.
I read the book. And in the end? It all felt so pointless, and such a waste. Best thing about it: the author said he didn't intend a statement, he just wanted to show how it was. And if war is like that, I sure as hell don't want to end up in one.
@@juseless4499 To be fair, quality of life did improve for the combatants of most modernized nations after that.
Do you know what's funny? All Quiet on The Western Front is an anti-war fictional book based on a pro-war autobiographical book, Storms of Steel.
One concept I've always wanted to have explored more is two individuals who are on the other side given their own stories until one of them kills the other and then the next is killed and the screen goes black. Nothing. I think silence is more effective than words ever could be.
No doubt both sides would consider their antagonist as "evil". Such a non term that is based on perception rather than actual facts yet it is used consistently throughout this documentary. There are deeper questions that require analysis. Your film would no doubt be profound in its revelation.
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Look into reading the book “Soldier Boys”. I think it is nearly if not exactly what you are looking for
@@peytonmoeggenberg2873 excellent book
Check out Jason Aaron's graphic novel 'The Other Side'. It alternates between the perspectives of a green U.S. recruit; and a Vietnamese peasant convinced to fight for the North.
Just 6 minutes in and i've already gotten chills from your editing, tone and presentation. content like this makes me happy to be on youtube
Congratulations and many thanks for your great videos and analysis content. Many interesting comments in this section, too. I will just say that "Come and see" is by far the top war film for me precisely because it is a shock to see. No romanticized action, background music, slow mo, etc. The innocent, lively youth at the start looks like a completely broken old man by the end of the film and after all the angst and distress we end up a tiny bit older too but I hope, wiser.
“Come and See” is the greatest WWII film of all time. It’s an acid-tripping masterpiece of horrifying inhumanity and insanity bound by VIOLENCE.
Just watched it. If every adult on Earth watched that film, and understood it, there would be no more war, as the horror of war would be recognised by all, and avoided at any cost. It's a horrifying film about what happens when humans fail each other.
@@solarisengineering15 nah this comemnt section proves otherwise. Those who brag about not being able to live without killing people would just go in denial once again and talk about defending the country, heroism and other bs. The problems are strucutral, people have to be socilized differently and think critically. Some of these pathetic "soldiers" here even brag that they don´t have to think abotu life too much, so one shouldnt expect intellectual activity from them
@@solarisengineering15 an interesting thought experiment: what if Shitler had watched it? i doubt the results would differ
@@henrijs1733 He'll be ranting incoherently and wildly about why his nation weren't depicted as heroes, as he had long been desensitized about the morality of war after he got hit by a mustard gas during WW1.
It’s a hard movie to watch, and I had to skip some parts, but after listening to people who endured through that war . It certainly was accurate to show how local citizens got involved and did the most unspeakable things . I never knew that till I really dug deep to understand things better .
I saw Come and See a long time ago. It almost made me sick in the stomach, some images and sounds from the film have since then been etched in my memory. If that's what the director wanted to achieve, then congrats. He has outdone himself.
What makes it worse is that the horrific acts shown in that movie did happen.
and they happened a thousand times over.
Well, it's they outcome of secondary traumatisation and intergenerational PTSD.
This is why I still haven't seen it. It's crazy how a movie can have such a reputation that people are afraid to watch it.
I have PTSD from someone dying as I tried to save them. Come and See affected me almost as much as that event. It is one of my favorite movies and I have only seen it once. I don't think I will ever watch it again.
A lot of Beckers ideas are conclusions that I have already reached previously on my own, and its comforting to know that I am not the only one who is constantly wrapped up in these dark thoughts
Soviet war/anti war films will always be my favorite. because of the slow movement, more focus on the mundane, and the way they portray the people and their psyche, even in the enemy side.
We humans are so filled with paradox. I wish more people would understand that and be more humble about themselves.
Sadly everyone is convinced they have it all figured out
@@mTOXiicg yes look at the Russian revolution
If you don't understand the paradox are you even human? Tf... Like a dumb machine with duality.
This is why war is so toxic and addictive...because everything is clear, no room for greys and perhaps...at least for the times of action.
Tell that to evil people that attack.
This was an incredibly well-written analysis. I thought I'd just watch the first 10 minutes but found myself so captivated that I couldn't help but watch it all. Well done
Absolutely. Terribly compelling, because it plausibly confronts fundamental cores of human behaviors and actions.
Brilliant! I wanted to be a HERO, to fight for something bigger. However, I’m 70 now and happy that I never had to go to War. I merely helped a few people along my journey.
I think that the "new" film "All Quiet on the Western Front" while still being quite cinematic and sometimes a bit overtuned it captures the essence of pointless death and nonexistent heroism quite well. Especially because the Commander that sends them into the pointless charge is not punished or anything for his obviously stupid and crazy decision. But even better is the reaction by the Main character who does not care anymore if he dies or not. And while he saves one young guy from death he still charges on and dies a little bit later while he couldve gotten out of there the whole time. Even better than this is the death of the last remaining friend he found in the military. He dies because of a child who shoots him because they stole eggs and chicken. It wasnt even on the battlefield and he was executed by a chld which makes his death incredibly unnecessary.
Come And See is such a great movie. Especially the scene where the boy 'kills' Hitler's picture. To me, it represents someone trying to annihilate their 'shadow.' There's also a great quote from Solzhenitsyn: “If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?" Really enjoying this video. My grandpa fought in war, and his wish was that his children and grandchildren would never know war. He's now passed away, and I would do anything in the world to honour his wish. I'm into military history, and would like to write fiction that deals with war.
animals live their life as a war only civilised build peace agrements
To everyone who is affected by Solzhenitsyn i woud srongly, criticly recomend a very in-depth reading of it by some russian enthusiasts. Just turn subtitles on and click "translate - english" and enjoy a new found appretiation for this work. kzhead.info/sun/Y6qyiNZ5rZ-PmZs/bejne.html Or this letter to him from a great soviet general en.topwar.ru/107812-chto-skazal-marshal-chuykov-podlecu-i-liberalu-solzhenicynu.html
Still gotta watch „Come and See“. I heard it’s horrific.
its beyond great, truly one of the best movies i have ever seen
Lucky for you it's on youtube in 720p with subtitles and everything
In my opinion the best film about WW2 (along with Judgment at Nuremberg. However the latter is not a war film)
thegenie yeah that’s also on my list, thanks!
You seriously owe it to yourself. It's truly a work of art.
I just want to say how much I love this video. I could go on about a lot of things in it, especially regarding hero systems, but in short, you've encapsulated so many thoughts I've carried for a while now in a far better way than I ever could've. Thank you for that, it's such a relief hearing someone speak of these things out loud.
Fabulous commentary, not just on the movies but the nature and psychology of war. Extremely nuanced, empathetic, and deep. Very clearly organized and easy to understand. It is obvious you worked hard on this. Thank you for sharing.
Two films will make you hate war "Come and See" "The Grave of the Fireflies" this one is an anime but it will hit you like a truck
Seen both, cant watch it any more. Too hard, especially first one
Why come see? From what I gathered it's a why occupation is a bad flick, not a war movie. AKA How would the Allies liberating them from a 1,000 years of rule a bad thing again?
@Nef Anyo ...1,000 years, That's how long Hitler said the nazi rule would be and would have if the US had not intervened. Still, though that could be the setting and the story is about a boy who survives in nazi Europe. So can set a romance comedy in WW2 Japan and it won't be a war movie.
Graveyard of Fireflies made me cry. The only war film that fucked me up bad, really strong story writing.
Don't forget Barefoot Gen
Not many films can really depict the true horrors of war. I think the Russian film industry has the knack of showing the suffering and brutality in the most realistic ways. As for the British and American war movies, these are more of entertainment value than actual realism that could fall into the categories of action movies.
Russian films are bias as fuck. T34 was a good example.
father of a soldier
Apart from everything else, this movie is also one of the best examples of Social Realism art, which was a dominant art trend in the USSR.
I heard somewhere (wish I could remember it) that a true depiction of a soldier's fear in the battlefield would need to have bullets pour through the screen hitting people at random and still force you to remain seated til the end of the movie.
I would only disagree with you on one thing: Those things did characterize _Soviet_ films during the cold war. Even a post-apocalyptic movie that was so heavily anti-war and pessimistic about the so-called triumph of the Soviet side that it's actually a shock that the communist authorities even allowed such a movie to be made, much less released to theaters, where it saw wide viewership amongst the citizens of the Soviet Union. The movie is called (in English) _Letters From a Dead Man_ and it's so unrelentingly bleak and heartbreaking that it's impossible to see it as anything but a forcefully antiwar movie. Russian cinema, on the other hand, at least the small number of movies I've seen from it, deals with all things related to war in the same way: patriotic action-hero propaganda tripe. It seems that every Russian film maker has turned into Michael Bay and I don't think we're going to see anything even one-tenth the quality of _Come and See_ come out of Russia for the forseeable future. As long as Putain and his propagandists are running the show anyway.
This right here I love this kind of content on KZhead. This is a very thoughtful and elaborate documentary about the romance of the war movies. As a bachelor of criminal law and as a person who got his degree on researching terrorism and war on terror, and also having a grandfather and a father who is a war veteran, your points are well founded and 100% on point. Keep up the good work and I am so glad I found your channel.
One of the few videos on this platform worth watching on repeat. Great job my friend and thank you for your work.
I’m genuinely surprised you didn’t mention the 1971 film “Johnny got his gun” this for me has to be top 3 best anti-war movies I’ve watched
I don’t know that one but I’ll look for it. Thanks
It was a great book too.
I was just going to mention this film. I think it is the best anti-war film
@@barbaralyons3978 it was so good, Metallica made a song!
The book's even better.
I used to think of Wolverine, from X-men, as my favourite Superhero. It was so badass how he would show up and tip the scales of a battle with a guttural scream and a feral slash. As I get older, and in great part, because of your work on this channel, I realize Wolverine is a broken hero. He is a man that can be depended upon only for violence. If the X-men attempt to build something beautiful, purposeful or unifying, Wolverine can not be present in any meaningful way. When cutting or stabbing or growling are not the solution to a problem, Wolverine can not be involved. I always thought Wolverine road off on his motorcycle because he liked being alone, but lately, it’s become clear that he’s a sword. And swords are usually sheathed. If your heroic systems are linked to violence, then your response to problems or conflicts will be violence. Which means people will respond to you with violence or avoidance.
Cyclops is more interesting to me. The character is pretty boring but he has the potential for extreme violence that he spends most of his life containing so that he doesn't hurt anybody and redirecting for the good of the group (usually).
Just to slightly go to bat for wolverine. He does have a use outside of violence. I remember in the 90s cartoon at one point someone specifically infected him with a super deadly disease knowing his regen would give them the vaccine/antidote allowing them to save lives.
@@DomSithe I don’t remember that...that’s a pretty cool story idea though.
EVERY heroic institution exists to face death on behalf of others. In that vein, you cannot toss out the institutions created to face violent death until you can guarantee that violence is gone forever. Allow those warriors who defend you some honor in what they do.
Do you see Jesus as a hero?
I watched Apocalypse Now for the very first time last week. It happened to be in a cinema nearby. The Ride of The Valkyries scene made me physically ill and left numerous tears. What a spectacular display of the power discrepancies in the Vietnam War...
Incredible video. You shared perspective I never had put in words. Thinking "Ending this war would mean ending all wars". "Human ego (wanting to be alive forever in a hero image)", "Being proud". Individual trying to defend his beliefs, country, group, ideology and religion. What a human spirit.
5:00 I think dunkirk did a pretty good job at this. It made everything so quite, but gunshots were shockingly loud. They set my ears ringing the first time I heard them. They're meant to sound like an assault too you, you're not seperated from this attack. If you turn down the sound you wont hear the dialogue and the rest of the story, and you cant predict when the next shot will come. So you're kind of on edge through the entire first part of the film.
Dunkirk honestly just did a great job creating a constant atmosphere of stress You don’t even realize it until you step out of the theater, there either was something happening or the you’re waiting for something to happen. Dunkirk was just an all around terrifying movie to watch in more ways than one
Dunkirk presented those serving as cowards and fleeing in fear. That was not the case at all and the film did a poor job of presenting that day. It was entertaining but that was about it. It was a very well directed and produced movie but it was way off in tone.
@@bighands69 True, and I love spongebob too.
My family is a blue collar military family, and many of the points made here were deeply reflected in my time under that family culture. My father, uncles, cousins, grandfathers and great-grandfathers all served in combat in every war fought in the last 100 years, and for a while I figured that the only thing to do was to carry this torch onward, serving the unspoken demand for service that my family demanded. But I had to find my own peace with it before I could serve, and I felt this truly outlined my thoughts on war, soldiering, and violence as an innate human response to the unknown and threatening world we choose to enter. I had struggled with the idea for years, not knowing whether I had been played into a system of indoctrination or if I had made an individual choice to try and do some good in the world. The abstract of the concept of war always fails me in my desire to seek a truth to the "Why?" of service, but I have found that boiling it down to the person-to-person interaction that a soldier is inevitably bound to encounter makes the pill not only swallow-able, but palatable. It is the soldier that fights, not the general, but it is the general that chooses where the fighting commences, and I feel if I am able to interject just an ounce of humanity in a system that plays the game of life and death like it is risk, I can fight to cease the fighting. Only as a necessary countermeasure and never as a means to more means, I wanted to fight the battle in the belly of the beast, fighting as a soldier fights but at a culture of nonstop conflict that can only truly be resolved by those who bear the shield for country. What a beautiful analysis. I hope I have not misconstrued your message, but this has only inspired me more to bring a peace to a hero system dependent on conflict to satisfy itself.
@@romanmanner And that is a bad bet to make. Consider the large number of recent uS presidents who are marginally or actually psychchopaths. And the fact that there is a defense industry whose existence is predicate on lobbying for ongoing wars. There have been what? a total of something like 20 years since 1776 I which the US wass NOT in a war somewhere (can't recall the exact number but it's been researched.)
it's interesting you mention the full metal jacket boot camp opening. i was in the navy, and met a lot of marines while aboard my first ship. not only did every marine stop in their tracks whenever it was on and watch the whole thing, pointing out what mirrored their own experiences, i also don't think i've met a marine that wasn't at the least passively suicidal at one point or another. most of my navy friends, both while in and out, are depressed and generally have a malaise of suicidality around them. every year, someone onboard killed themselves, and that was just aboard my ship- i dread to think about the rest of the navy, and the rest of the us military in general. i think those who haven't joined see the scenes quite differently to those who have. i saw those scenes not as someone who was weak, but someone who was just too ground down to make any other choice, and as someone who once contemplated jumping over the side of the ship when we were in open water, it was very close to home. we knew that's what the military did to people, because it was doing that to us, right as we were watching that movie.
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I have lot of friends who says that their life is dull and boring and in every party, every social interaction i have with young people I noticed one thing.... They are desperate for change, and in for that change they are ready to fight. Not in terms of the adventure and just to shoot the weapons.,but because young people today have no purpose and they want it so badly. They think a war will give them lifetime adrenaline rush which they miss in daily life. And when i ask them what's good ever come after a war? I got lot of different answers. Then one day i met a mother who's son died on Frontline. He was 20 year old. She told me... It's not worth it. The war, however glorious it can be, whatever is at stake, and whoever wins it... The war never should be justified. It should be our last option. Because some people leave home forever when war begins. Edit: please don't fight in comment section. 🙏 Edit 2: when i said that young people are desperate for a war, I didn't mean a war where armies fight each other. Today the time is hard on young people, they are being told they are lazy, not qualified enough and what not. They want to change the world so badly but yet can't control their own life. Times like these when young people feel that they have been abounded by society and religious texts. Entire World's youth is at risk at such times when they are drifting away, without any direction. And bad people use such youth for selfish wars, giving them the sense of purpose. I hope I made myself clear.
I agree war is becoming unjustifiable and should remain an absolute last option. It's hard to criticize wars of the past because we did not live in those times. But today, especially in developed countries, we have all our necessities met and more.
WW2 - To stop Nazi Germany and Japan Yugoslavian intervention: to prevent further Serbian atrocities Rwanda - RPF stopped the genocide and took out a political elite who were draining the country, as well as severing France's inteference with its society Sierra Leone intervention: prevent further war and potentional Angola style collapse Gulf War - prevent Iraqi atrocities and damage to Kuwait's economy Afghanistan - Prevent the Taliban from taking over Afghanistan and causing a mass exodus Falklands - Liberate invaded land and stop an attempted modern colonization War is necessary in many cases. You cannot seriously argue that not resisting the German invasion or not assisting the Bosnians/Croats/Kosovans against the Serbs would have been a better choice
and that isn't even considering the Syria situation with the Kurds and Rebels fighting off a dictator's army, and with ISIS in the mix! The airstrikes by the West are criticized but they were the only option left when far more effective actions were voted down in Parliaments,
@InSanctvs pardon?
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The world would be a better place if people can consciously know and face their mortality. It is very tough, and I struggle with it very much myself since I lost my faith. But at times it dawns on me, that I am going to die. Knowing that not fearing it, brings me peace and compassion that I could have never felt before.
I agree, but this is only one aspect, you still have a problem of meaning. Ofcourse we all die, but if the answer is to just not fear it and follow your passions, then some will be led to murder, and theres not a whole lot you can say to stop them other than appeals to abstractions which in the end don't matter if it all ends the same anyway - in death.
The confession in the 7th part is so powerful in meaning. Anybody who misses your point are the consequences of war sensationalism. Excellent video, really goes beyond just a conversation about war and really the duality of man's projection and justification of violence.
Your insights and ideas on heroism, mortality and the nature of evil were incredible, thank you for presenting them with such articulation.
"Don't try to be a hero, a sage or a warrior. Exist for a while and be decent, that's heroïsms enough, that's how it's always been done" Exuber1a
Where is this quote from?
actually better question: which specific video. TIA
@@Shadow1986 "and then we'll be ok" Near the end
Thanks I watched it. Not bad
ahhh yes depression turtle
When survived vermarcht Germans watched "Come and See" they confirmed it was almost documentary.
Who cares what they think ?
Everyone because they "confirmed" it
@@marc9356 it's about confirmation not what they think actually you response sounds exactly what they probably thought about the Russians in 1941 good job
@@garethjames1300 The victims already confirmed it
@@garethjames1300 Also, comparing me not caring about murder and rapists with murder and rapists is a bit of a weird one. I can understand if you disagree with me but insulting me doesn't help anyone.
What a very well done and very thoughtfully produced video that got my subscription straight away… looking forward to seeing more good work
I spent a lot of my prepubescent life imagining how heroic I would be in a world where battlefields aren't dominated by projectiles that move faster than anything we can imagine. All the failed mockfights I had with people as tall as me that showed me I was neither fast, wily or strong, as well as the fact that my grandmother is still deeply heartbroken over her brother who was conscripted and never came back from his first mission disillusioned the idea of how great I'd be out of me. Or so I like to think. When I watch war movies, I think of how I'd hide away or surrender prematurely and probably die for it or how I'd survive by luck. My emotions are gripped by the relief the survivors feel and the desperation of the soon to be dead. My hero system is more predicated on the painter who was executed because I need to believe the people who defy the big system and are consequently crushed lead meaningful lives too.
This is an OUTSTANDING video. This will serves a lot for writing, understanding and comprehension of this genre. 10/10
This channel gets better with each upload. Bravo.
This film is nearly divine. I must now show it to my friends and family. Thank you so much! I just went numb...
Magnificent video! Thank you for the honest and deeply cutting insight.
It will be a rich man's war, and a poor man's fight. Try and enjoy it.
This inclination for bite sized response is what will be holding us back
But if we don't fight, what will the other nations rich people do to us is we lose? Who's rich will treat the poor better? None of them care about us, but at least some nations allow their people to make their own choices in life, for now.
@@seanorourke534 This is an interesting take.
In the past kings and rulers would lead the charge in battle. Often nobles rather than peasants were obliged to march to war. Things turned around from the late Middle Ages when the rich stood back and watched armies comprising of the poor battle it out.
@@ronaldostrowski4014 I read somewhere that those nobles almost never died in the war, and even when taken prisoner, they were treated quite nicely compared to an average soldier. Like today's officer staff vs the rank and file.
"A slow burning journey into a heart of darkness" - I see what you did there. Edit: Also, the captain who is relieved by Spears in Band of Brothers had suffered a wound to the shoulder, im sure it says that in Winter's book.
I have a lot of love for my friend and family that served and it’s very difficult for me to be public about my anti war position this video was very thought provoking I wish I could leave a comment to express how much I enjoyed watching and thinking about the concepts you introduce
The army recruiters used to come to this haunted house I liked going to as a teenager. I'll never forget how they cruised through the line shouting about how they'd turn you into a killer. I stopped them and asked them what good that did for anyone and they got pissed off. I don't remember how the interaction ended, I just remember feeling sad at the idea that killing was something to be proud of.
Excellent communication of your opinions and views, thanks for the video.
Wow, this is going to be good.
It did not disappoint. It took me a few watches for the ideas to sink in as I was distracted by trying to recognise and name the war movies.
It was. Actually shockingly insightful
Could you possibly quantify it for all the layman's and the just plain lazy here? I and I'm im guessing the infinite number of fellow KZhead readers ( KZheadrs, KZheades, KZheadians?) Would aptly be greatly appreciative and in your debt good sir.
mate I got fucking goosebumps through out the entire video
and it was!
even though private ryan does his best, he still feels he hasnt earned the sacrifice the team under captain miller made for him and is constantly tormented and feels miserable. not only that but the film also sets what captain miller expects ryan to do by saying "he better invent something to change the world" after wade died. who also died because of the bad decision made by captain miller who went against everyone to feel heroic. the whole horrible journey to save one man claimed the lives of 4 good men. the whole movie demonstrates a tragedy and is truely terrifying in my opinion
Values are definitely all over the place
I agree. I left the theater feeling sick to my stomach about how tragic war is and as an educator in a pre military academy this movie (and especially the opening beach scene) are a must see for students. The fact that the elder Ryan has to force his family to tell him that he is a good man just goes to highlight how glaringly obvious it was that the sacrifice wasn't worth it. It is a cheap attempt at justifying his existence. This was just one subtheme, but the overarching theme of the necessity of war is still up for debate. I cant imagine what the world would look like today if the Americans and Russians would not have valiantly stood up to the Nazis...
@@arielshalem without war, the Nazis would have never been here in the first place. That is the idea behind the criticism of hero systems, they beget war - one after the other. If people were to forget that heroes ever existed, there would be no more war (and no Nazis that had to be fought) - whether that is true or not we will never ever know.
This is one of the greatest video essays I've ever seen. It has downright changed my entire perspective on war, on good and evil and the nature of human societies and legend. How the need for comfort, for significance, is as toxic and destructive as it is warm and inspiring. How this desire is so powerful that practically no one is willing to give it up without significant effort and that those who benefit most from it need external threats in order to keep it. How hellishly difficult it is to remove the idea of significance from the general populace so that we may properly examine ourselves and all our faults. All of us, in some way, are responsible for this. It'll never be possible to remove it. But the least we can do, the least I can do certainly, is try to remember that significance is not as important as it may seem.
Truly a mesmerizing and maddening dive into our psychology. We fight we regret we vow to never do it again…only for it to happen all over. Clarity for a brief moment before turning back inwards to our emotions and instincts