I Just Solved Tears of the Kingdom's BIGGEST Mystery - The Mystery of the Ancient Hero
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Since his emergence in Breath of the Wild, we have been left wondering who the Ancient Hero is. In Tears of the Kingdom, we got a MASSIVE clue as to who they could be, via a full model in the form of The Ancient Hero's Aspect.
With the help of Vile 3D , go check out his 3D models here: www.deviantart.com/vile3d/art..., we are able to see The Ancient Hero in all of his glory, and work out EXACTLY who he is.
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00:00 - Intro
01:16 - The Ancient One
05:05 - The Aspect of Heroes
07:27 - Debunking Old Theories
10:54 - Who is the Ancient Hero?
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thank you for the credit! Awesome video!
No problems, thank you for the model!! It was really awesome, and helped bring this video to life. Will definitely come back to you in the future!! Everyone go check out Vile3D's work, linked in the description. He also takes commissions for any more bespoke character models!
Has everyone forgotten the new race of the depths that Josha, Robbie, and Link discovered? I personally believe that this hero was part of this race. I mean, just look at the statues in the depths, they look different than zonai, even in the stone tapestry that Josha makes, which shows a Zonai (King Rauru) in the center sealing or obtaining his Autobuild power. Heck, even the Miner's set seem to have been made for this race of people. The Ancient Hero was probably part of this race.
THIS is a very good point. There hasn't been enough info on the ancient race to discern much about them. I think it's interesting though to say the least!
Great point. The legs of those statues are in the exact same position as the ancient hero too.
They remind me of the mole people from skyward sword
sometimes i have a hard time understanding the zonai, as it seems that they are divided into 3: zonai from the sky, zonai from the ground & zonai from the depths. i have an even harder time figuring out how did the zonai accessed the underground if it was on totk that the upheaval took place & caused the chasms that gives us access to the depths. maybe there was a race of zonai that lived underground exclusively & the ancient hero was part of that race
If you look at the center of the abandon mines you can see Zonai marks on the floor so it must be the Zonai and not a whole new race
My guess is that he was a Zonai, mainly because of his feet, tail and nose. Rauru and Mineru resemble different animals and they're brother and sister so to me it's perfectly plausible that a Zonai from a different family tree entirely could have traits of different Animals and red hair and green skin. As to how he's at the 10k calamity is a million dollar question, but I think the intention shown is that he was a Zonai. An explanation could be that the Hero 10k years ago was also wearing the Aspect, and that the spirit inside the aspect is a hero from an even older age when the zonai were still kicking about, after all the aspect only says he saved hyrule, but not that he saved it from a Calamity after all. To your point about the Gerudo Jewelry, the 8th heroine was a voe. The other 7 heroins appreciated him so much they tried to allow him in their town (which in the end he wasn't). So it's perfectly plausible that they at least gifted him the jewelry as thanks. The ancient hero is doing what he designed to do perfectly, and that is make us go "wtf"
The tail is super interesting, because it's not Zonai in origin at all, and it's certainly not Gerudo. I like the idea that the Gerudo king lineage passes down something akin to a Saiyan monkey tail. That's how we know that one becomes the evil king. I'm not sure that he necessarily IS Zonai, and the giveaway is not the facial features or the body but the jewellery which is undeniably Gerudo.
@@heylistengaming His tail might just be from the fact that he's a different zonai, If Rauru can resemble a goat why can't mr ancient hero resemble a tiger or something else? I do like your point about the monkey tail though. The Jewelry is absoloutley Gerudo, but it doesn't necessarily mean he is a gerudo. He wears the zonite armour, and he has the exact same markings on his body as Sonia. He also must have done something for the constructs to make them hold his aspect in the Zonai temple of time. He was 100% connected to the zonai.
@@mrbiscuits001Exactly. And just because he wears Zonai Armour, it may or may not make him a Zonai, but he is 100% connected with the Zonai in terms of Friendship, Training etc.
@@mrbiscuits001 His _arms_ are also similar to Rauru and Mineru's which further aknowledge his connection to the Zonai race suggesting level of "dysmorphia" within the Zonai race seperating them into different "castes" or "breeds" with vastly different appeareance.
@@heylistengaming could also be that zonais resemble dragons more as they grow older and the hero was way younger
1:50 it is Calamity Ganon. Given that Calamity Ganon is shapeless blob of materialiased bad juju and what we are looking at is highly stylised representation of that blob, it doesn't matter if he looks more like dragon. We don't even know if the tapestry was painted concurrent to the first Calamity or if it something that was created years or even thousands years after the fact. Artist coul have been not born yet, when events happened, so all they could have had to fall onto was depiction of "a beast with pink mane" and they went with it. So yeah, Impa said it's Ganon, it must be Ganon. 10:28 - colours for the characters in the tapestry. If you painted you'd know on the spot that the choices of colours are frankly coherent with highly stylised art painted with limited natural pigments. Something that designer at nintendo understand and something that zelda theorists overthink to death. Red hair/skin in this case might as well be iron oxide pigment that was brownish and oxidised in time into red brown, which is consistent with how pigments work. TBH, my guess is, the ancient hero is more of an easter egg or troll in itself- it was never planned in BOTW, the hero on the tapestry is regular reincarnation of Link, stylised to hell and back, because art, and only then Nintendo decided to go with ancient hero design to make it look like tapestry, because people were wildly teorising who it was, just to mess with those exact people. 12:00 ancient hero aspect is wearing 1:1 zonaite armor, not gerudo. Zonaite armor has red feathers, same colour as ancient hero's hair. The white sash with triangles is exactly same what ancient sages wore and is the equivalent of the blue sash all champions wore in BoTW.
It is indeed Zonaite armour, I was more picking up on the Gerudo Jewellery, rather than the armour. The jewellery is 100% gerudo.
also when you come out of the shrine of resurrection in botw you can see that ganon
"One man is born to the Gerudo every 100 years" is usually why Ganondorf exists in the games he's in, but I've never heard that he *needs* to die before the Gerudo could give birth to another male... nor has it really been established that the Spirit of the Hero *needs* to reincarnate as a Hylian, as much as he just usually is by circumstance. What I mean is: what if, since Ganondorf was sealed for centuries, the Gerudo kept having their 100-year Kings and one of them was a Link?
Except there're dialogues from NPCs in Breath of the Wild which outright state there HASN'T been any males born for _hundreds of years_ implying there is a magical reason which _prevents_ a male to be born until the lattest born Gerudo male has died for the new male to take his place. Since Ganondorf was sealed *alive* underneath Hyrule Castle the Gerudo women were unnable to produce males as a result of him living for 10.000+ years. As to the idea of a past Link been born _specifically_ as a Gerudo... personally i don't buy such a possibility given the track record of at least 9 Hylian Links and 3 Gerudo Ganondorfs to be born from the same race only to suddenly change to another with no explanation. I mean in the case of the Zonai i can understand given the still mysterious nature of their race leaving open the possibility for a past Link to be born as a member of the Zonai yet with the Gerudo we have such a consistently Ganondorf-centered race that the scenario of a past Link somehow sharing Ganondorf's ancestry becomes too much of a stretch to be seriously considered.
There are DEFINITELY NPC's who state that Javier, thank you, AND it's mentioned in Creating a Champion, page 404. No males have been conceived in over 10,000 years as a result of this. Gerudo as a hero...I mean, yes, we have lineage, but are we seriously saying Nintendo couldnt have written a change into the books? We didnt suddenly change fish into birds, and then manage to somehow have BOTH of them in the same timeline? I'm not saying that this was Link either? A hero is chosen by the triforce. We have only ever seen heroes called Link, but in 20,000 years, no-one else stepped up to the plate? Perhaps the triforce chose someone else while there was no Link or Zelda?
What if the Gerudo males were exiled from Hyrule out of fear? As we know that Sidon's fiance comes from another place out of hyrule, that means there's a lot of places outbounds, and there's two Zora's Domains that we know about in the globe. Might be there another place with any other race that could take care of the Gerudo Male, even the second zora's domain itself, as we see that zoras trend to take care of a lot of people with their healing powers, sometimes taking care of another races for long periods, just like Link.
Still with ages, unless a male Gerudo lives longer than a female or any other race for that atter, we're talking that only one, two max can be alive in any span of 100 years. There are definitely other places outwards of Hyrule. I like to think btw, that due to her colouring, Yona's "Family" are the "Mad Zora", the alternative type of Zora found in games like ALTTP, and they are also exiled from the games due to their excessive violent nature. Sidon met Yona, she always wanted her people to be more peaceful and the marriage to Sidon is a good way to broker her peoples becoming less savage and their way back into Zoras Kingdom. #headcannon Yeah the Zora can heal people with healing magic, but that doesn't stop the effect of aging, I would think. It's a fun idea at least though!
its cant be gerudo for 2 key things, one no gerudo have tail, and no gerudo is digitigrade, proably just another new race,
But does Ganondorf have to be the voe every 100? He has to be the reincarnation of Demise, but if he exists "alive" under the castle, how does his existence stop the Gerudo from having their one voe? I don't think Ganondorf has to be the one male; he only has to be Gerudo every time he is born. That is to say, Ganondorf is tried to being a Gerudo, but the one voe is not bound to him. Otherwise, the Gerudo would not crown their only son king, because if he was always a reincarnation of Demise, then they would know not to give him that power. 100 years can be as little as two generations, or three. As an example, I had a grandparent born in 1923, his last grandchild was born last year. He might have additional grandchildren, even though he's been gone for a few years. He lived, had a family and had an on-going dialog with the next generation and the generation after that; he even had a handful of great-grand children. The point I'm just trying to make with personal experience is that information from 100 years ago can be passed on orally without breaking, if that information is important enough. Knowing your king will always be Demise would be pretty darn important information to pass on and wouldn't be forgotten. But if you always name your king Ganondorf and only sometimes he is Demise then you don't build that automatic association that would stop the tradition. Also, how / why does Voe armor continue to get made and evolve in design if Ganondorf's absence causes the voe not to be born? Gerudo go out and marry males outside of their culture, but then either live with them aboard, take them home and keep them locked in their houses or live separately while still married. The Gerudo male is allowed to be out and about in plain sight; he's decorated and celebrated, in a society that otherwise shuns and hides the males brought into it. In both Tears and Breath you can buy voe armor from a contemporary shop in-town, suggesting these items are needed more often then every 10,000 years +.
Woah Chips, awesome comment. Okay, so lets try to get through this. No. The Gerudo Voe does NOT have to be Ganondorf. There was a period in time before BOTW, before the first calamity, that it was the case that every male became the king but that rule seemed to be abolished with the notion of Royalty within the Gerudo. Notice how Riju and Urbosa are leaders, not royalty, despite wearing crowns. The issue for me doesnt become that every Gerudo Voe must be Ganondorf, but actually that in the time Link is alive, there is no evidence of a Gerudo Voe. In 122 years, there is not one, singular instance when there could be at least 1-2. Not only that but the Vai would be more accustomed to the males in this instance as males would have been born, at least every 100 years, but as they stand they are still taking lessons for how to even approach a male. Perhaps the Voe armour is produced a bit like the Zonai armour sets, for a remnant, a memory of what was once. Perhaps its costume jewellery. I admit, fully that the Voe born every 100 years does not necessarily have to be Ganon, but I cannot see for the life of me how we have no remnant of a Voe at all in the time Link is alive for. The coincidence is far too deep that Link is alive during a period of time where there should have been a Voe, and then wakes up in a similar time where there again should have been a Voe and there is no sight or sound of him. The lack of conversation on it by the Gerudo Vai would have been enough, I mean, surely, to be able to assume that no Gerudo Voe HAS been born recently. You always bring it with your comments, I always have to think about my reply very carefully. Thank you!
@@heylistengaming The Voe Armor could also be sold out of simple _tradition_ to aknowledge their culture through the selling of male Gerudo clothes to whoever outsider female traveler might be interested in purchasing as a present to their husbands and friends. Just because Gerudo voes are an uncommon ocurrence within Gerudo society doesn't mean they aren't allowed to sell male garments for the simple sake of selling them.
@@heylistengaming A few things 1. Why did you assume that the Gerudo Voe has to be alive whilst Link isnt recovering from Ganondorf at the start of Botw he could have been born roughly 50 years into the 100 year recovery process and died due to conflict. 2. The reason that the royalty system got removed doesnt make much sense as the only person that refers to Ganon as the King of the Gerudo is Rauru which is someone saying that the Gerudos had royalty but what about the Rito and the Gorons why dont they have royalty and if they did why would Mineru call the 4 (Gerudo, Rito, Goron and Zora) leaders and not as Royalty.
the point of the ancient hero being gerudo is something i had considered when looking at the aspect. ive seen some folks say that it is the prince of hyrule, being sonia and rauru's child. i have to disagree with that one. in one scene with mineru, the way she speaks of ganondorf is reminiscent of familiarity with him. it felt to me that she knew him before he decided to "ally" himself with they hylians. one thing that wouldnt be mentioned in the game due to nintendo's standards is that it is possible that ganondorf and mineru had a child. mineru is the inquisitive zonai so it wouldnt be out of the realm of possibility that she hooked up with ganondorf if only briefly. this could also explain exactly how ganondorf knew there were only two zonai left. the child would be a hybrid of gerudo and zonai. this would explain the skin tone, the "masks" present on the aspect, and how it could be male. suggesting that the outfit is for a female doesnt make sense as the booba would be exposed, and nintendo has a 0 tolerance policy on that. it is still possible that the ancient hero could be the progeny of sonia, but unless nintendo releases info on the royal bloodline, we simply wont know.
also to note that in zelda lore when two races mix, they take on the mother's appearance. sonia being hylian, would have had a child that appeared hylian, as depicted in the ancient tapestry. if mineru had a child, it would appear to be zonai. the ancient hero resembles mineru more than rauru. and if mineru had a child that was male, he could also be the 8th "heroine/hero" as told by gerudo legend. it would be the reason they had to hide that info away. so what i see in the ancient tapestry, is sonia/raurus child - female and first princess of hyrule (named zelda starting the tradition) and the cousin (ganondorf/mineru's child).
Wow. Ganondorf and Mineru. THAT is a pairing I never even remotely thought would be anywhere near the cards. I really don't think that would be the case - after all, Mineru has 0 interaction with Ganondorf in the game, if they were old flames by the point of say, Ganondorf swearing fealty, I'm sure she'd of had something to say when Ganondorf mentions that there are only 2 Zonai left. Had there of been a flick of a camera to her at that point, I'd say possibly, but I just don't see it in this instance.
Demise's curse, no. I don't recall demise ever saying "You can only be reborn every 100 years", it's a Gerudo curse of some format by some other power I'd bet. Perhaps something to do with Hylia. The tie is inferred in the fact that we have NEVER seen a Voe and a Gerudo king at the same time. A batman paradox, not that that's a thing, but I'm now making it one.
@@heylistengaming she wasnt present or in the throne room (iirc will confirm in a bit) when ganondorf swore fealty. even if they had a past fling why would she tell her business to everyone else? she could have easily kept a secret. and she did have interaction with ganondorf in the game through her memory. its... a technicality, but you are correct that we players dont see the interaction in the past, if it occurred. and there has to be some time between sonia's death and the sealing. during that time, its possible that ganondorf did something bad to her by force. and if he did, it really would make TotK the darkest game in the series. recall that TotK was announced to be the darkest game in the series. murder and *censored* would be pretty dark.
@@heylistengaming i never said anything about demise's curse or the 100 year thing with the gerudo. hylians can live for over 100 years. and its more than likely that the gerudo could as well. i do not believe we are given an age on ganondorf at the time of his sealing. PLUS if he and mineru had a child, it would not be subject to the curse or whatever since it is a hybrid, at least, in my opinion.
The only explanation that fits perfectly is that this ancient hero is NOT a zonai. Remember in breath of the wild when there were subtle references to the zonai everywhere? They were supposedly an ancient warlike tribe from Faron, but somehow also had beautiful architecture and spread throughout hyrule? On top of this, in tears of the kingdom we can see that the zonai construction was built over by an entirely different era of some kind of species, mixed up with the zonai. Since the ancient hero is clearly a different species, from a different era compared to the zonai, and can be confused with the zonai, on top of being a warrior, we can assume that this was the species that hyrule mixed up with the zonai tens of thousands of years later. They even claimed credit for the architecture when they just crudely built over the truly genius construction of the actual zonai. They worked with the sheikah, finding a warrior amongst themselves superior to the rest. That was the ancient hero. It would explain why the zonai in breath of the wild have no continuity with the zonai from tears of the kingdom. It was a historical error. A mixup in the record books, just a massive misunderstanding. The actual zonai descended from the skies, build wonderful things, left or died out, and the fake zonai took their place muddling up history.
Say it louder for the ones in the back! Seriously though, yes. This character doesn't fit being a Zonai. A different species, perhaps, but NOT connected to the statues in the Depths (you didn't mention that but it has been mentioned today.) The Zonai as we know them being a historical error is quite an interesting idea. You could indeed say that they were fake Zonai, or perhaps Interlopers, when the meaning is taken literally - a person who becomes involved in a place or situation where they are not wanted or are considered not to belong.
@@heylistengaming thanks for the appreciation, very time I try to spread this theory it’s like talking to a wall. The research done in your video is very extensive as well, it’s very high quality
@@minecrafter3448 The Ancient Hero could always be a different breed of Zonai very much like the Lake and River Zora who share the same name yet are unmistakengly different to eachother in both appeareance and behaviour. The question of why do the statues on the Depths look nothing like the Ancient Hero's species could be argued to be the result of "artistic choice" by their sculptors who didn't bother to aknowledge their lion-like tails and paws while sculpting them.
@@javiervasquez625 I think you’re forgetting we LITERALLY SEE several zonai from 30000+ years ago, and then those zonai died out before our eyes. The only zonai left would be rauru’s kid, but that was only half zonai, which would not last another 20000 years.
You know, the Hero's Aspect has a very canid face. I wonder if anyone has considered that the hero's aspect may be a reference to the Wolf spirit that The Hero of Time and Twilight both contained. Breath of the Wild Link was able to team up with Wolf link via amiibo where it's implied he came from the past to help out. but there's something about Link's soul being in the form of a wolf, as while he initially thinks it's a curse, there's no reason for Hero of Time Link to have the form if it is a curse. It's possible that the Hero's Aspect is actually a Twili. A being who lives in a world where darkness is light. Midna already is an anti-hero and is the only "Dark" hero in Hyrule Warriors and thus the fact that the Hero's Aspect appears villainous (akin to Ganondorf) but is purely good may be a reference to that. Plus his feet give away that he's very likely meant to be a canid beast, not a human like the video implies in the end. Thus yeah, I think he's a Twili, a literal Wolf Twili based on the wolf soul of the hero who Link is a constant reincarnation of. Ergo Link's truest form. Though I did like the idea that the Hero's aspect would be a creation by Rauru based loosely on the tales of Link since he didn't know what Link looked like, but that doesn't explain why the hero's aspect would resemble a wolf.
I really wish this theory was true and that there was a link from this character to TP, but TP is now part of an era that no longer seems to exist but in legends. This era is so far on from the ends of the timeline split that it literally states in CaC that the old games are now subject to legend. It would be a great solution though!
that last gerudo thing makes sense after the lore expansion we got on TOTK regarding the 8th heroine
lore expansion. Love that description. I dont believe the 8th is THIS hero. I think its yet ANOTHER hero. Lets face it. We have 20,000 years + between the very first calamity and BOTW....how many heroes could possibly have been? Im betting more than 2.
I just think he’s a Hylian/ Zonai hybrid. Just like the royal family is part Zonai. Strangely enough, I also believe Hylia herself to be a Zonai, and that Rauru is basically reupping the Zonai blood of the royal family after ages of being diluted from pre-skyward sword to the past of tears of the kingdom.
I think they are more likely to be a Gerudo/Zonai Hybrid! There's SOMETHING in that jewellery, the gladiator sandals and hair that screams Gerudo, but NOT king of evil Gerudo.
Hylia _cannot_ be a Zonai as she's explicitly states to be an _immortal_ goddess both during the prologue of Skyward Sword and by Demise himself during the final battle which contradicts what we know of the Zonai as a _mortal_ race of beings able to die and pass away into the Afterlife as seen with Rauru and Mineru. Personally rather than believing in the Ancient Hero being a hybrid i believe he might simply belong to a different _breed_ of Zonai native to the Depths which is seperate to the goat-like Zonai we've seen living on the surface and skies of Hyrule. Like the Lake and River Zora which share the same name yet are still vastly different it's possible that the lion-like Zonai were also just as different to their goat counterparts while still being considered a part of the same species.
@@javiervasquez625 Hylia was immortal as far as dying from old age. She got mortally injured and chose to reincarnate.
I'm thinking no goddesses are zonai including hylia being ss was first and humans predate zonai. That's not to say there's not multiple kingdoms or that zonai can't seem to be gods to people or other races as they get further removed from ss era. What seems to be first is 3 goddesses made world and triforce then vanished. Then hylia had her turn
@@Pysnpai ¿When is it ever stated she died due to injuries after sealing Demise? I don't recall any dialogue stating as such. Either way even if she died she been a magical being would probably resurrect eventually as a divine protector of the land making her "death" a minor inconvenience rather than a big deal.
It’s always possible that the ancient hero was an ancestor of link who was a different type of zonai (they are known to have different tribes) who fought a type of calamity ganon who was created because of ganondorf’s sealing
There is a LOT more on this to come, actually the next video I'm working on kind of answers this one a bit better than any reply can. I think you're on very right tracks though!
Saw your post on Reddit about getting to 1k subs. Congrats and have yourself one more! Nice content man.
Thank you so much! I Really appreciate that
One theory I've heard was Zonai, Gerudo, Hylian hybrid After all, Zonai can mate with Hylian (Zelda technically is therefore part Zonai), and so can Gerudo (only people Gerudo have been shown to mate with are Hylian), so what ifa decendant (grandchild, great grandchild, etc) of Rauru and Sonia mated with a Gerudo?
Its definitely an interesting idea, my only issue is that whilst it is inferred that Rauru and Sonia have a child, come TOTK where is this child? It is said that Mineru and Rauru are the last 2 Zonai. Either the child has to be hidden away in Rauru's time, but that's a mighty big secret to hide when, it simply seems there aren't THAT many people populating Hyrule at the time of Rauru's era. You would think that someone that looks like a Zonai/Human hybrid, or even someone that looks like Queen Sonia would be spotted somewhere. Not unless they were sent up to the sky, but it's understood all of the Zonai came down to Hyrule, as per the stories told by Mineru.
I just realized the hero’s charm in wind Waker has bright open blue eyes. Might not be relevant but it’s kinda interesting.
Interesting. I'm not entirely sure if there's anything in that but it definitely is interesting.
Someone below said that they thought the ancient hero was a child of Rauru and Sonia, born before Sonia's death. I think this is partially true. I think that this is a descendant of Rauru and Sonia, but several generations removed. As Sonia and Rauru must have had at least 1 child, due to their bloodline being passed down to Zelda, this is not impossible. After the King and Queen's death, the royal child(ren) would have had to take over governing, at the end of a calamitous war, leaving their kingdom weakened and in need of allies, peace treaties, and agreements of defense. We see that many of the other races in Hyrule have agreements and understandings to protect the royal family at all costs still to the current time in TOTK, and in fact many also seem to swear allegiance if not fealty to the current leader(s) of Hyrule. So, if the child(ren) of Rauru and Sonia needed to reinforce these allegiances, it makes sense that they would have married members of the other major races. Perhaps this ancient hero was a few generations removed from Rauru and Sonia, and perhaps developed a mis-shapen image of what the Zonai looked like from hieroglyphs, using this to create this "aspect" in a time of great danger (The Calamity). The digigrade feet and the tail call this into question, making me think that perhaps the underground statue race may have lived on the surface or at least been important enough to bring into the kingdom with a marriage of a Hyrulian royal. This post: www.reddit.com/r/truezelda/comments/14vt00o/totk_three_theories_about_statues_sages_and_the/ talks about how the mysterious 5th race depicted by the statues in the depths leads to the Central abandoned mine, which is the home of the big Bargainer statue, which happens to look a lot like the creatures on the statues. The creatures on the statues have digigrade legs like the Ancient Hero Aspect, but still we have no race with a lion like tail. Other than that, everything else seems to point at a mixing of races to create this Ancient Hero Aspect from several descendants of Rauru and Sonia.
Wow, that took some reading - not your post but the reddit link. Always love stuff lik ethis though. The issue then becomes - 5th statues - where did the tail go? The rest looks somewhat right, face looks like it could be the right sort of structure for this race, the body is way too built but these are statues, they're perhaps not historically accurate, but the lack of a tail is puzzling. You would think these would be a main feature of the 5th race? Sonia and Rauru surely had a child due to logic, but the only issue here is that there's no physical time or evidence of them having had one, only evidence to the contrary. The lack of them mentioning this, only saying Zelda is a distant relative is incredibly confusing and feels very incomplete as an answer by the game. Could the link NOT be biological and more spiritual? IE, both imbue the spirit of Hylia? Could this be why Zelda feels SO familiar to Rauru and Sonia, and not because they are literal blood connection? I think the Aspect HAS to be a mix breed of some form at this point. There is something in there that is undeniably Gerudo. There is something undeniably Zonai. Thank you for this! Great comment!
@@heylistengaming So, I meant to say something about that in my comment above. But here's my thoughts: When we start mixing breeds, what's to say that the tails from the Zora don't thin out over time and mix with the furry-ness of the 5th race? Obviously it's hard to depict fur on a stone statue, so perhaps its just another by-product of the muddling of the races? To your point about the king and queen not having evidence of a bio child, we are unsure how long after the founding of Hyrule it's been when Zelda appears. It must be some span of time, as there is already a castle, allegiances with the majority of the other races, an army, and peace. Perhaps Sonia and Rauru are older, and their children grown, or out on adventures to become adults? There's so much time for variance that I cannot with certainty believe that there's no biological child. Also, in one cut scene Sonia says she "senses a blood connection" and then goes on to say that Zelda being a distant relative will not be a lie. Also, of another item that says Zelda was with Sonia and Rauru for some time is her learning control of her powers. Zelda in BOTW struggled with this, and she had instructions. I would assume the amount of practice needed to stop a dagger in mid air while hiding unseen must be great. She couldn't stop her cup from falling in the earlier scene. All in all, there's no way for us to know for sure, though it is fun to theorize!
@@fallyntalyn ¿Could the "5th Tribe" of lion-like Zonai be connected to the Lomei? Some have argued that the Lomei might have a connection of sorts with the Zonai given their labyrinths across the game being of course connected to the Zonai via the shrines and symbols. It's been even argued that the Lomei might become the next important tribe in a _third_ game as part of a "Triforce trilogy" involving Wisdom (Sheikah), Courage (Zonai) and now Power (Lomei?). Imagine how cool if eventually someone were to find out a major discovery regarding the Lomei confirming the possibility that yes we ARE getting a third game that further delves into the Ancient Hero and how he fits in the Lore of the series as the first non Hylian incarnation of Link. Very hyped for future Zelda games!
Here's my theory. This ancient hero could just be a hybrid. There's enough zone I features and enough highly in features that it could be a hybrid between the two of them. It could also be a hybrid between zoni and gerudo. Also these new games were supposed to serve as a soft reboot for the series, so who knows if the death of ganondorf is now dependent on a male gerudo actually being born. We also don't know what would happen if a zonai interbred with a gerudo, if that hybrid would actually fall under the same rules as a hylian in a garudo breathing. There's a whole lot of possibilities. And let's not mistake the fact that the triforce has been starkly absent. Maybe this hero is an amalgamation created from the triforce to help out of the calamity.
There is 100% gerudo there without a doubt. Zonai, I can see as well though I also am unwilling to just rule out that the skin wasn't blackened by gloom damage and this character is more Gerudo than not. There's a lot of talk about this being a retcon or a soft reboot or a rehash of storylines from previous Zelda games. I personally believe that this is none of those things, and that this game is actually correctly placed at the end of the time line and one day I will explain EXACTLY why I think that. There is a very simple logic to how it could all work and therefore would tie in our artifacts from the past. The other very simple answer is that there's no triforce because there's no belief in that divine power anymore. Hear me out on this one, but lets say that each entry is it's own legend. The same story over and over again, but told in different ways by different people in different time periods. Each event that happens reflects the stage that the world is at technologically depending on each game. By the time we reach BOTW/TOTK the belief is stronger in technology and science. We see this via the Shiekah towers, guardians and divine beasts to say the least. The belief in deities is few and far between now, with statues to the Goddess being minimal, smaller things hidden away in towns, with very few people believing in said Goddess - the belief is still there for few, hence their offerings of apples etc, but the majority of people lean more toward the technology and science belief. This would mean that talk of the triforce has dissipated. There ARE references to it, but those references are very subtle and almost housed entirely within the Zonai and Sonia. The biggest one is the tattoo that Sonia has OF THE TRIFORCE on her hand/arm. The royal throne room is also a clue here too, as well as the clothes Link is effectively given by Rauru. There is not much belief of said artifact but those that do have reference to it are likely in direct contact with someone who ascended from the bloodline of someone whom the triforce had an impact on - Hylia, the first hero, etc. By the time we reach these games, the overwhelming consensus is just that the triforce is an artifact lost to time and legend.
Not to be disrespectful but impa is clear that the tapestry depicts calamity ganon
Yeah it does depict Calamity Ganon! I was drawing comparison to the fact that THIS calamity ganon on the tapestry doesnt look too similar to the calamity ganon we fight and actually it looks more like demon dragon. I wasn't inferring it was, just that it appeared that way more so. However, Calamity dragon takes on the form of a dragon in the "legend" that is told, so that's the perception the people have of the calamity Ganon, when in reality it resembles a weird spider-thing and a boar.
A couple of things I like to point out about the Zonai is that they were sent to Hyrule by the gods (with no idea why) and that if their triangle-in-a-triangle pattern is related to the triforce then why are there do damn many of them? The triforce represents Hyrule itself, but the Zonai symbols number like the stars in the sky... What I'm saying is that "Zonai" could actually be a more general term like "alien" (Zonai came from "nazo", meaning mysterious) and thus includes multiple races with different divine origins and lineages. Alternatively, Rauru's fellow Zonai might just be hugely variable in body type and appearance. At least as much as we see with the Zora. The two that we do see are siblings they shouldn't look all that dissimilar even if their species can be. All that said, no matter what, the ancient hero definitely could have lived among and fought beside the Gerudo.
Okay. The Zonai were not SENT to Hyrule by the Gods. They decended to Hyrule and were thought to have the power of Gods. That's step one. The triangle in a triangle pattern is just that, its a triforce PATTERN, it just acknowledges the existence of the Triforce in some time or another. Zonai likely are an alien race, and Zonai COULD be the equivalent of Gaijin in Japanese - an outsider to the world or area. Rauru's deceased, former Zonai, COULD look very different to him, you're absolutely right! They clearly take on forms of other animals - Mineru is a rabbit to Rauru's Goat. Could there have been a dog or a lion in this mix too, of course there could have been! There is no doubt though that this character had a Gerudo influence. That much is absolutely clear. Thank you for the comment!
@heylistengaming There's a few interpretations of their concentric triangles that make sense, so it's hardly a sure thing, but I figure it means something. I'll have to double-check the exact wording that was used, but there was some amount of unknown in the statement I remember. The triangles heing in a pattern not exactly proving anything is a fair point. The combination of divine origins and the pattern itself does really feel like a field of stars, though. Alternatively, it could represent that the planet Hyrule is on (the planet of Hyrule?) is a continuous patchwork quilt of divine powers similar to - but not the same - as those granted by the three golden goddesses. This isn't entirely groundless speculation, either, as the Boar, Owl and Dragon gods (I've taken to calling them the Outer Gods) not only are new to the series, AND represent a roughly parallel set of aspects to the Triforce (Mind Body and Spirit) but the maze ruins connected to them are at some of the furthest possible reaches of the map. Specifically, most everywhere where the regional phenomena - or pirate incursions - *aren't.* Even the Gerudo sandstorm seems to only avoid the desert around the southern maze. While it is hard to be confident about what any of this implies, it does feel intentionally designed, so I keep looking for root causes that necessarily introduce all these quirks.
Do you remember in BOTW when there was a cutscene that showed Calamity Ganon in a dragon like form surrounding the castle? 7:59 I thought that could be the monster on the tapestry. Also I like the idea that it is female, maybe it’s Linkle 😂
I have a very different idea. Another theorist has discussed why he thinks that BOTW was a soft reboot of the original Zelda game, why he thinks that TOTK was a soft reboot of Zelda II The Adventure of Link, and why he thinks that the next game will be a soft reboot of A Link to the Past. If that ends up being the case, then the Ancient Hero's Aspect may be "Bunny Link" as he appears in the Dark World, or whatever the equivalent of that might be in the next game. There could be any number of reasons why he might have Gerudo clothing on, and being a Gerudo is not the only possible/plausible explanation for that.
I've seen this video! Ive seen so much on this idea of it being a reboot. I am not sold or convinced on this at all. The first thing is how are there so many artifacts from previous ages, including artifacts FROM the first Zelda game which indicate it was from a long time ago. Not to mention, yes there are similarities, but Ive also drawn comparison from TOTK to OoT, in that the storyline is almost identical just more fleshed out in TOTK. It's just something Nintendo do
I think he is zonaii. The king looks like a goat, his sister looks like a rabbit, this dude is a wolf.
Dog. Lion. Wolf. He's been 3 different animals according to the great people of YT just in this chat alone. After all of that, he is something that none of those three are or have the capability of being - Bipedal. Which...of course so are the Zonai. He is for sure not just Zonai though, there are too many links back here to the Gerudo for him to be JUST Zonai.
Personally i believe the theory hes actually a Zonai/Gerudo hybrid. If the Gerudo in Breath and Tears stopped having male children between DK Ganon and the present, perhaps the Ancient Hero is one of the final male Gerudo born because as much as I feel it wouldnt chsnge things, the present day Gerudo probably keep a calendar telling what year the next voe will be born and then go full convent status with no kids being conceived for that year. While it makes sense for a game, the irl implications would say thered probably still be a male born, most likely the first child born in the year after the supposed birth of a new King. I feel that aspect of the Gerudo as a whole is a big topic of conversation no one even touches
The Gerudo according to CaC have not seen a male born since before the first calamity, which would infer there's no males born since Ganondorf was sealed underneath Hyrule Castle. Im willing to make the assumption based on this that there is something within the curse that tells us that a male cannot be born if another is alive - the same as Link's, there cant be 2 incarnations of Link unless powers of Duplication make it so.
I mean I don't think demises curse completely prevents a Male gerudo from being born that isn't ganondorf. It simply says one is born into the gerudo every 100 years it isn't tied to whether the previous male is alive or dead at the time.
Okay well I HAD a reply for you, but apparently did not post it. Clever me. So. It's not necessarily Demise's curse that sets this in motion but there is an implicated rule in that you never see Ganondorf and a Voe in the same world at the same time. The years should have crossed over somewhere after Link awakened from Cyro sleep in BOTW, and so there should have been a voe somewhere, but so far there's only one person pretending to be a Vai, who everyone has got confused for a Voe. He's not at all, he's Hylian for sure. It does seem like there IS a tie though to this, as we don't see another Gerudo male be born. Having done research into this, to double verify, it is ACTUALLY in Creating a Champion. - A male Gerudo hasn't been born since the king who turned into Calamity Ganon. Since that king was technically considered alive while he was sealed, the conditions for another male Gerudo to be born weren't met. This is mentioned on page 405 of Creating a Champion, and seems to stipulate this rule. I think the 4 books are considered Canon now, so that's where I sit on this one.
Its possible that we are seeing the ancient hero after undergoing a transformation of sorts. The thing i think people missed when analyzing this hero is that aside from the abnormal physical characteristics he has, he also seems to have a gem in the center of his head, similarly to Ganondorf. In totk, after killing Sonia and taking her stone, Ganondorf starts to transform into a new form. And in this state his hair grows very long, his eye color and pupil size changes, he grows claws, and he grows some horns on top of that. All in all, he looks a lot like a Zonai, but his own version of such. We could being seeing something similar taking place with this hero after possibly absorbing another stone. This could explain why we cannot seem to definitively link him with any race precisely. Because this is most likely not his true form. We have seen through Ganondorf and Zelda that their hair color does not change upon undergoing their transformations. Therefore the ancient hero did have red hair and likely reddish brown skin as shown in the ancient mural. This means that the green skin and other physical traits are transformation changes, and do not reflect his base state, more than likely that of a Male gerudo. With the mural image, the red hair, and the gerudo jewelry....this seems to be the most likely conclusion.
The gem in his forehead is also shared by Riju but not as a gem in her head, but dangling from her head piece. The gem is nearly the same size and hue so I'm feeling like this gem in general is something to do with the leadership of the Gerudo more than a Ganondorf thing. The transformation point is a good one, however we never see a half step like you're proposing this character to be. Zelda doesn't stop halfway through to become a zonai/hylian/dragon hybrid. There is 100% Gerudo in there, I'm not convinced they are Voe though in the slightest.
Lowkey I forgot about the headpiece being shared custom amongst the gerudo so fair point. But I'm pretty sure other npcs recount him being male, even as far back as botw with Kass. Kass refers to the ancient hero as male more than once, and if you speak to him with no clothes he even states that the ancient hero was basically nude as well
@@brandonjames8888 So a common theme with the legend of Zelda is that much of the premise is...well...a legend. That being said, legends get forgotton, warped, twisted and changed within time. The only thing that actively remains true is custom and tradition from those legends, and that's why I think that potentially this character was female - they had stilettos, they had all of the golden gerudo jewelry, and atop of all of that, the head dress passed down from leader to leader. I think over more than likely, by the time Kass hears of the legend, it's changed multiple times.
(warning, rambling ahead somewhere) I feel that the Ancient Hero probably has to be a Zonai or Zonai-Hylian/Zonai-Gerudo descendant since s/he wears what is clearly Zonai clothing. Plus Looking at Hylians, Shiekah, Rito, and Zora... The Races can have very diverse looks to them. People even noted Rauru and Mineru having pretty seperate animal themes to them despite being siblings. The Ancient Hero could just be taking after another animal, while also being sufficiently departed from full blooded Zonai to lack the trademark third eye. Also arguably, any iteration of Ganondorf being alive probably shouldn't prevent a male from being born. Not unless he's fully the true embodiment/essence of the Gerudo Male. Even then, as far as i understand, in Hindu or Buddism (which the Legend of Zelda borrows many aspects from), a single soul can basically split off indefinitely. Many deities and figures have mortal avatars that run around mingling with humans, and can even have multiple incarnations/avatars meet each other. In-universe for the Zelda series, there probably shouldn't be any reason we can't have two or more Ganondorfs running around. Along with the theoretical possibility of Sonia and Rauru's era taking place 400-ish years before Ocarina... the Koume and Kotake who cameoed in the memories might be the same Koume and Kotake from Ocarina. MEANING Ocarina's Ganondorf might be named after Twinrova's first boss, TotK's Ganondorf. Which is actually wild to think about in general; some "repeating" characters in the series might just be named after a distant relative (canon by law for every Zelda ever after the game Zelda 1) or some famous person in a history book. .
Rambling is perfectly fine, my friend! So I am now pretty sure that there is a Gerudo/Zonai mix going on. Hylian, I think is semi inferred anyway because the Gerudo are, at best, a half breed of races anyway as the Gerudo, to survive, MUST mate with a Hylian male and then the females get called back to the Gerudo town at a certain age. However, Creating a Champion, page 404 confirms by proxy that Ganondorf must be defeated in order for another male to be born into the Gerudo race. That male then becomes king by proxy. I am taking this as the absolute canon. Ocarina of Time....the swords are Koume and Kotake in TOTK and are named as such in honour of the Gerudo witches. TOTK coming before OOT is a new one on me, I've not heard this placement and I don't subscribe to it at all, due to the fact that artifacts from AFTER the timeline split are found across the world.
@@heylistengaming Two Gerudo in the flashbacks actually wear sashes with the names on them, implying they are named Koume and Kotake, my theory being these two are the same characters in Ocarina, since the witches from Ocarina are 400 years old. I'm also of the thought that Tear's *backstory* is meant to be set at least a few hundred years after Skyward Sword, since Rauru and Sonia's kingdom is referred to as the founding of Hyrule. Then every game before Breath of the Wild occurs. And the Calamity 100 years before Breath of the Wild happens , then Wild itself & Tears of the Kingdom's modern day is set after everything else in the franchise.
Considering the amount of gerudo hints, it might very well be a “depiction” with liberties taken, of the eight heroine, of which we found out turned out to be a male. They banished the statue bc of that fact. What if this was that hero, maybe it even was a Link or maybe a gerudo voe. But just like with Hylia, we sometimes see her with crown and harp, while the statues look more like angelic matrushkas (the Russian doll that gets smaller when you take the top off). Just like wit certain gods or legendary figures who have different depictions in different cultures. Maybe it’s something like that, seeing as it would be (if so) the only real depiction or image of the eight hero(one)
Im sure that the aspect is a depiction and not an accurate "THIS IS WHAT HE LOOKS LIKE" thing. I'm fairly sure that depiction has come from the mind of one Rauru, who likely never ACTUALLY knew what she looked like because Rauru had long passed. It could be that the story of the 8th has also changed over time. 10,000 years is a very long time to tell a story and pieces of it not change over time.
Super interesting theory, honestly! Though one thing I’d like to point out is that Ganondorf technically being alive doesn’t bar any Gerudo males from being born. Its not one male at a time. It’s one male every 100 years. Though, Ganondorf has been the only one ever made important.
Thank you.... "A male has not been born into the Gerudo since Calamity Ganon" - Creating a Champion, page 404. It kinda states it but not. It's very covert but I would say this qualifies as some sort of proof.
@@heylistengaming I'll add that at least in the English translation seems to confirme the Ancient Hero was male. The eighth heroine quest eventually leads you to ancient Gerudo texts that releveled that the eighth heroine was actually a voe (implied to be the Ancient Hero), that the Ancient Gerudo writer felt great shame because her people had denied him entrance into Gerudo town despite him saving them and that the Gerudo had covered up what happened with the tale of the eighth Heroine. Also with the story of tears of the kingdom where we see Gannondorf was sealed before the Calamity (though we don't know how long) the line about "A male has not been born into the Gerudo since Calamity Ganon" could take on another meaning. Instead of the initial assumption that there hasn't been a male since Gannondorf's sealing it may have actually meant there hasn't been a make since the Gerudo denied the Ancient Hero
My thinkin since the beginning is that, we see that Ganondorf and Rauru are both sealed underground and stay for thousands of years under, both bodies sealed away. Till present day where when Link and Zelda come across the imprisoning chamber, we see that the body of Ganondorf remains but the body of rauru is no where to be seen. And I asked why is that the case, that Ganons corpse still remains while Rauru's disappears. MY THEORY: My theory is that, somehow in order for ganondorf to escape the seal, he tries to reincarnate and in doing so he somehow uses the body of Rauru (Hints: Hero's Aspect appears to be both zonai and geurdo race, having an appearance of both races combined) and since Rauru is powerful and a deity of some sort, the reincarnation of "Ganondorf" was more of a good nature than evil, and common knowledge that the master sword is only wielded by Link and chooses Link, but in the ancient battle, it'd make sense for the Master sword to choose the "reincarnation" that has Rauru's spirit in a sense to battle it out since Rauru's the King. To summarize, the anicent hero is both gerudo and zonai, (only gerudo's have red hair out of any race in the entire series), and Ganondorf attempts to renicarnate using Rauru's body and in doing so created the ancient hero. Who is more Good because Rauru is a deity and is pure, and the master sword knows the ancient hero is Rauru.
and if im wrong, where does rauru's body go after being sealed away for thousands of years? I doubt it just disappeared without a clear explanation due to Ganon's corpse being there the same amount of time, only thing is that he is drained but body still remains, as to Rauru..?
I ACTUALLY quite like this whole idea and fits quite nicely as a fan theory. Something that definitely holds some merit. I presumed that the stone, as he was turned to stone while Ganondorf was just sealed, crumbled and decayed over time.
I'm pretty sure the ancient hero reincarnated as Link.
There's always a hero, my proposal is that the hero is not ALWAYS a Link, just the heroes that WE see in the games.
Interesting take. My guess, since Zelda is a descendant of Rauru & Sonia that by the time of this story they must have had at least one kid, and that the ancient hero is their offspring. It does have both zonai and hylian features.
I'd LIKE to think this is as the easy answer, but too many questions remain; What happened to the child? Why is he/she nowhere to be seen come the time of Rauru and Sonia when Zelda lands with them? If the ancient hero is their direct offspring, how has it survived close to 10,000 years between Raurus time and the time of the calamity? Remembering that the calamity happens some 10k years after G'dorf is sealed under HC. This approach leaves more questions than I can answer, which is why I DON'T think the Ancient Hero is at all, a descendant.
@@heylistengaming Since it's a Zelda game, odds are any children they had are being looked after by a lady named Impa.
@@brianchristyb could well be, it is a vague possibility but the Gerudo elements here would infer likely not as the Gerudo and the Shiekah are not....well....close. this could be the one time where the royal line actually isn't protected by the shiekah
Okay, so, it doesn't matter that Ganondorf is alive or dead, there will always be a gerudo male born every 100 years just because that how their genetics work, so it could very easily be a male gerudo who was, say, outcasted because he was a male by the gerudo
is it Genetics or a curse on the Gerudo people, something passed from Hylia to prevent evil coming around TOO often? I dont think its been explained. It could be a male Gerudo, but I'm willing to bet a little that it isn't.
Maybe he's a lion? He has a mane, a tail and a lion like tail. And lions are considered symbols of courage.
nice video man! very well made. now i see why it has so many views ahha. makes me want to play TOTK again
Thank you and thanks for checking it out! Really appreciate that :)
My best guess personally is that its a Gerudo/Zonai child. The Gerudo seek out members of other races to have children, and generally the Gerudo genes are so strong that they take over in almost all aspects. However, a Gerudo making a baby with a demi-god such as the Zonai could have interesting implications for their look. Perhaps this is a male Gerudo/Zonai, however it is not an incarnation of Ganondorf/Demise because Ganondorf is still sealed away. This theory would even explain why the hero has a mixture of Zonai and Gerudo jewelry as they seek to honor both sides of their heritage. The only thing it doesnt explain is the tail, maybe you could argue thats part of the Gerudo genes and Ganondorfs heritage is the reason he transforms into a boar?
My guess was that 'the Ancient Hero' is the grown up child of King Rauru and Queen Sonia, born between the time of Zelda's arrival into the past and Sonia's demise. It was never stated how long Zelda was around before she… transformed herself, so Rauru's statement that he and his sister are the last Zonia, at THAT time would be technically true, before Sonia giving birth. I also like to think the Zonia genes are in most of the royal Hylian heritage, just diluted over many generations, thus the dormant godly Zonia powers, maybe.
I thought this at first too, genuinely! Then I did some research and ruled out Zonai or Zonai hybrid because of timescales! The zonai are all gone by the time Raurus era is over. Ganondorf explicitly states they are the last 2 as does Rauru. Unless my favourite goat/dragon liar is at it again, we have to believe he and Mineru are the last 2. Now timescales state this much: the Calamity doesn't happen straight after the events of TOTK's past sections. It happens many years after. Ganondorf by the time Link and Zelda unseal him has been down there for at least 20k years, and has unleashed at least 2 calamities, each 10k years apart. The ancient hero could not have been the child of Rauru and Sonia as timescales don't like up. An ascendant is possible but then why are they covered in Gerudo jewelry and have the flame hair of the Gerudo?
@@heylistengamingCouldn't the ancient hero just have a Gerudo as their mother and a descendant of Rauru and Sonia as their father, explaining both the Zonai-ish and the Gerudo-ish look?
it cant be, the ancient hero is digitigrade and have tails that 2 things make it imposible for zonai, hyrules or nearly all other races on hyrules not a single humanoid are digitigrade on zelda, should be a complete new race
The Ancient Hero is probably a Hylian knight and Mineru’s son. She made him go to sleep, and he woke up my the Sheikah monks and their “Zelda” to fight the 1st Calamity.
@@heylistengaming I could be wrong but I think that Raru said that the other zoni left and it was only him and sona left so we don’t really know the natural life span of the zoni so it could be a hybrid, if it is like Zelda the hybrid might have time and light powers to slow or reverse aging
Totally thought you were gonna say Twili.
Hahahaha nah, I think the legend of the twili dies at TP. There may be a chance the Twili and Zonai are related somehow but I don't see it
It would have been such a nice detail to leave a scar permanently on Ganondorph’s face. Where the fragment of the shattered Master sword hit. Would make him look so menacing. A way to remember such an Iconic moment for Link and Ganon too. Also adding a clip of him reacting after reviving would’ve cool. Like looking at Link angry as he touched his face or something.
It would have been cool but the dude completely reanimated his entire body, and the cut came when he was already a corpse. The scar tissue couldnt have formed on what was left of his body when it hit. It also would have been too similar to Demise?
@@heylistengamingRemember in TP when the sages imprisoned him using the Goddess sword? when he fought link you could still see his open wound. Even when he transformed into Dark beast Ganon? However it still would have been nice. You are right though. It would have been too similar to Demise.
The ancient hero is most likely a Link because the Master sword can only be used by a Link and I believe that the Gerudo jewelry was given to the Ancient hero because he was the eight heroine.
The jewellery in question in though is specifically for those in charge of the Gerudo town, by the looks of no-one else having this stuff and Riju an Urbosa both owning it previously and no others seeming to. HOWEVER - if the Ancient Gerudo sage does not wear this underneath her mask (its all pretty well hidden though it looks like she does wear a neck choker of some format), then it could be that it's the other way around and the ancient hero passed it to the Gerudo to protect along with the Thunder Helm. Actually the sword has never specifically been said, can only be used by Link. A hero who seals the darkness I believe is the phrase. The hero could be ANYONE as long as they have courage. We do not know that in between "Links", the triforce of courage doesn't choose another to take the place of the hero as it stands.
@@heylistengaming In Skyward sword when you fully upgrade the Master sword the game tells you only Link may wield it.
@@Ahouro That...is actually quite a good spot, however this is true only of the white sword of the sky...however there could be more than one master sword even just within TOTK. The White Sword of the Sky is found as a separate item to the Master Sword, for a start, but the White Sword SHOULD BE the Master Sword, after all, it was tempered to become it in SS. It could be that the White sword can only be held by Link but the master sword in BOTW/TOTK's era doesnt have the same rules
@@heylistengaming The White Sword of the Sky is most likely a replica because if it breaks you can get a new one from the statue.
I think that the ancient heroin may be a gerudo zonai hybrid. Or perhaps a previous child of queen sonia from a previous marriage to a gerudu male
She was able to manipulate time so i think sonia is incredibly important
I like how you said Ancient Heroine. Because that is EXACTLY what she is. I dont think Sonia was married previously though. I'm not entirely sure HOW this comes about other than by the rules of the Zonai being different to the rules of the Hylian. The rules of the Hylian tell us that the appearance of a child will always mimic that of the mother. This would then allow a Gerudo female to have had relations with a male Zonai PRIOR to Rauru/Sonia. This hybrid lives within the Gerudo lands, hidden away on pain of death of discovery. Suddenly Zelda becomes a LOT more Game of Thrones and we're hiding a fugitive lion/dragon/humanoid and suddenly I REALLY want this in game form.
I think that the ancient hero is a zonai/gerudo hybrid. Mostly gerudo. I think that the ancient hero is rarus great grandson. The calamity ganon that is shown in the tapestry is the second.
Zonai/Gerudo mix seems and feels the most likely at this point!
A bit peculiar for a past Hero to be born royalty considering the Hero's track record as a simple subject with no ties to the Royal Family of Hyrule aside from the Hero of Time. Taking into account the Ancient Hero's outfit (the Zonaite Armor) it appears he himself was a common denizen of Hyrule with no hint of being related to Royalty.
I like a cool implication with age of calamity, is the fact that terrako, the diminutive guardian probably meet this guy.
Age of Calamity has been _confirmed_ *non canon* by the official japanese page regarding the Zelda timeline. That game has NO PLACE in the canon timeline.
Unfortunately there's no implication at all as the Hyrule Warriors are not canon as @javiervasquez625 said.
I think he's the child of the raru and Sonia after their deaths he used the shika to study the tech to make the devine beasts to strengthen the bonds to each race and make the shrines to help the hero yet to come (this can also explain the similarities between tech and how Minaru could fuse her soul with the tech) and lastly there is no back story for the master sword the only thing I can think of is the son devoted himself to making the master sword using tech of the zonie because the constructs have a ie that learns as time passes aka Fi with the tech also being spirit based and can learn and improve that would explain why it gets stronger through holy light with the most spiritual place being the lost woods were the forest spirits live I know this last part has no real evidence but this is why we need a dlc explaining all this but the visual connection between shika and zonie are literally everywhere
But where was he when they were both alive and down on Hyrule? Was he up in the sky? Was he in hiding - and where, potentially? How come no-one has ever seen or heard of him? How come the Gerudo MAY have built an effigy to him - but also may not have? Him being the child of Rauru and Sonia opens up WAY too many unanswered question!
I think that the Hero in the Tapestry is Zonai & Hyrulian... wasn't Rauru's Queen a Hyrulian? It could possibly be their Child?! Why not that possibility? Maybe the cross between Zonai & Hyrulian results in having Red Hair?
There's way too many links to the gerudo for it to just be hylian/zonai. The jewelry that gets passed down the leaders line in the gerudo tribe for instance. The red hair. Genealogy states that rauru has white hair. Sonia has blonde. They can't have a child with hair that red. There HAS to be a child somewhere somehow but this character is not it.
are we SURE that the master sword breaking didn’t somehow release demise in someway? 🤔
I've had this pointed out SO many times - but Demise by this stage in time is completely gone. He was already broken and beaten when absorbed into the sword and Fi explains that she will make sure he is destroyed within the sword also. By this point in time, Demise no longer exists but the curse remains.
The ancient hero is a native Faronian. The Barbaric tribe.
I'd like to see an era where ancient Faronians exist but in reality, they died out even possibly before skyward sword.
If you haven't checked it out already I do believe the ancient hero is the eighth heroine. They were gerudo but the gerudo people could never formally recognize them because they were male. It is also possible the ancient hero is still a form of zonai. They appear to be dragon/beast hybrids and Link had a beast form in a previous title that was a dark grey/green wolf. The feet look odd on the aspect because they are paws. Also on his left shoulder is an eye pattern that you see with secret stones so this hero definitely had one of his own.
Omg your pfp is rather scary and kind of creeped me out when i first saw it haha 😱😅 (sorry for the random comment it just called my attention).
- I was not in doubt that he had his own secret stone, though what power it amplifies will DEFINITELY be an interesting topic. - I think this is a cross breed of some form of Gerudo and Zonai. Just because the people of this worlds DNA works that the child always looks like the mother, the genes within Zonai COULD be different. We don't know enough about them to know for sure. - Linking TP back in this way in interesting, insinuating that the interlopers and the Zonai were one and the same. I'm not convinced of this at all. It's an easy jump to make - ancient hero = the 8th. But I also feel like thats a little TOO easy, and the 8th could well be being used to describe Link from a previous incarnation, NOT the 8th Heroine.
@@heylistengaming Considering the Hero's most recurrent "skill" throughout the series being his unflinching _Courage_ perhaps the Ancient Hero's secret stone might have enhanced his courage and bravery which lead to his transformation into a brave lion-like warrior. Lions are know for their fierce and unyielding nature after all so it's possible that the Ancient Hero's Courage combined with his secret stone might have been what caused his current appeareance.
@@heylistengaming The slab at the end of the side quest mentions someone who came from afar to be the gerudos "guiding light" The only other potential person that could have been may have been the founder of the Yiga clan. That same slab talks about how despite having the highest praise for this person he was forever barred from the town because of gerudo law and because of that the link between the gerudo and the eighth had been severed. They even acknowledged how this might have hurt and upset them. Also the random link with TP had a lot to do with having the wolf link amiibo right in front of me while listening to this lol. I was like... hey, hold up. Grey/green coat, wolf links paws have four toes, impish midna ears with her long orange hair. Not super serious on that one but a lot of features are in common. Especially since Minda's actual form looks to have been Gerudo before becoming full twili.
@@javiervasquez625 Like a divine beast? ;)
in the memory where ganondorf swears fealty to king rauru, Ganondorf says rauru and mineru are the only Zonai left so I don’t think he’s a zonai, also just like to mention, you make pretty awesome theories
What at this stage in time we don't know is: - When Ganondorf swears fealty, how long has Rauru been alive? How long DO the Zonai live? If Sonia has power over time does this mean that she can't necessarily age? Have they been alive a long time DUE to Sonia's powers over time? They COULD have been alive for hundreds or thousands of years prior, which would mean that the ancient hero COULD be Rauru and Mineru's child, and has already died after the first original calamity and he's outlived by his parents due to his heroism. Thank you very much :) I appreciate that!
@@heylistengaming good point and also your welcome :)
Wait you said when we see the gerudo switch sides to rauru that wasn’t the first time… are you implying the first calamity happened before ganondorf was sealed by rauru?
No I think the gerudo defected against ganondorf before the first Calamity also. I think they have a history of it, but ganondorf has a way of bringing them back under his control to a degree.
Maybe the Ancient Hero is the 8th Hero from the Gerudo Tribe
Way too easy as a conclusion my friend. I think the 8th is a whole different beast entirely.
So groose got jiggy with the zonai and the reincarnated spirit of link lives in his offspring or remember in a link to the past any knight of the royal family can hear Zelda telepathically that’s how link rescues Zelda in the castle dungeon maybe any knight with any hair color, race, can be chosen to wield the master sword 🗡️ or maybe it’s like the sword of gryffindor it comes to a knight in need to slay the evil that the sword seeks out
I think Groose is a bit far back in time. I think the breeding works different in Zonai. The idea with ALTTP is great. It could be how the master sword works because it IS a different Link every time.
Personally, I think the ancient hero may be a hybrid of Gerudo and HEAR ME OUT: Picori. From Minish cap. Regardless of where you place totk in the timeline (I put it post SS, pre MC) I think you could reason that the Zonai are either evolutions of or proto- versions of the Picori. They have the large ears and animal snouts, but what I find really interesting is the Ancient hero's tail, which is something the Picori have. Also, in Minish cap, during Link's transformations when he shrinks (particularly the first time) the writing that appears around him looks very similar to the Zonai writing we see in game- their magic at the end as well (particularly exuded by the Mages cap itself as Zelda uses it) is also a blueish green color.
The picori idea is actually quite interesting. The mix of Gerudo seems inevitable. The only issue I see is the markings on the body, that are definitely some form of either Zonai or burn mark from gloom. The Zonai armour is also a bit of a give away that they are, to some degree, Zonai. TOTK though is WAY after MC in the timeline. There are numerous reasons why TOTK actually falls at the end of the timeline. For a start, the finding of items from EVERY game in the series. Things like Majora's mask, the Twilight set and the Wind Waker set cannot be gained if these events have not yet happened. There is also a consistency in the item descriptions which indicates that these items are from a long time passed. The next big hint is the fact that the Rito, who arrive in Wind Waker, are existent within the world of Hyrule. These would not be existent if the events of Wind Waker do not occur and the great flood does not happen. In order for those to happen, TOTK simply HAS to happen after Wind Waker. Wind Waker is at the end of the adult timeline. I think the Minish end up being the Kokiri in time to come. It's a bit of a stretch, but its my absolute best guess as to what happens with them. Either that or unfortunately, The Minish fail to exist after the time gap after MC.
I do take some issue with the idea that the sets from the past games are canon- similar to the amiibo wolf etc, I don’t find them likely to be canon based on the descriptors we’re given for them, and where they’re found (why would they be in the mines?) to me the sets are more to encourage exploration and provide some kind of reward for the player. As for the rito I would say you have me there- If it weren’t for Twilight princess HD. I believe it was Miyamoto (or someone) who said that the HD Twilight princess came out that there were some more details made that were meant to make you go “aha-“ and one such detail was the addition of a mural in castletown which seems to depict the oocaa, what looks to be the hero of time, and 2 birdlike figures that look veryyy much like Rito. Now they do seem to have the human-ish face of the rito from wind waker which the rito in botw/totk don’t seem to have EXCEPT- In totk, we never see the ancient rito sage’s face. For all we know, he looks like an ancient rito under the mask. Perhaps there was a sect of rito who evolved earlier than the zora, then taught them to be rito during the great flood. As for why they’re not in past games, I see 2 possibilities. 1. They lived in Hebra, which isn’t a region visited in most Zelda games 2. they lived in the sky after the totk imprisoning war. honestly, they’re BIRDS. If i were them I wouldn’t wanna deal with Hyrule’s shi either, when Ganondorf came back in oot, when they dealt with vaati, etc. why would they bother honestly, Hyrule’s a damn mess constantly.
I think that the Hylians we see in Botw and Totk it's an evolution of the Hylians there was when the Ancient Hero was alive, going on in the time, those ""hylians"" had evolved in the Hylians we see in the dragon tears in totk and, at last, the ones we see in the events of Botw and Totk. This game just gave me soooooo many questions that they can't be answered, I hope the next games will give us some answers for this. Or even a direct sequel, I just need to know...
There are WAY too many questions left unanswered, for sure. Unfortunately we wont ever get those answers, the Era of the Wilds is completely over according to Aonuma!
So, this was an interesting video...however, we're forgetting about the other clues and other possibilities that would explain who the ancient hero is. 1. We know that Master Sword can only weirded by someone who shares the blood of the hero...so mean there is a blood connection. 2. Rauru and Sonia should also have a child or children, let's say the daughter keeps Hylian features but the son has both Zonai and Hylian features. 3. The Ancient Hero is one of the 8 Heroines of the Gerurdo but was discovered to be a Voe. Which is why that statue is outside the region and the sword is on the mountain top in stone. A call back when the sword is done being used, it must return to rest. 4. In BOTW, when Link is trying to enter Gerudo Town, he get a Vai outfit from a strange looking person with a vail cover his face. If you maneuver a little to look under the vain, you'll see a Hylian-Zonai looking face. 5. The armor of the ancient hero is the same as the Zonai Knight Armor. 6. The Zonai are humanoid-dragons, just look at the horns, the faces and bodies. When, Ganondorf uses the secret stone, he grows horns, his hair grows and looks like a red colored zonai style like Rauru's. Let's play with the evolution of the Gerudo a bit. Red hair, long-sloped noses, bright colored eyes. Slinder body types...and Ganondorf's father and mother are unknown, only that he is adopted by Twinrova. The Triforce aka The Master Force as is actually called is only wielded by Bloodline decendants of Hylia. Now, a betting person would say that this whole saga has been told and retold for several generations which is why it is legend. Like all decendants everything branches out...the Royal comes from Zelda, which we see as Hylians where we see the Hylian Rauru is named as namesake for an Ancestor, the Sheikah comes from Mineru for her knowledge of magic and technology, and the other races were already established prior when they allied themselves with Hylia to fight off the evil forces prior to Skyward Sword. It would make sense to step back a little and remember that there 100's or 1000' year gaps. The first Calamity occurred 10,000 years ago. Do a real timeline and trace everything back by 100 year increments.
What a comment, I love how involved you guys get. 1. Master Sword - I always interpreted the rule a bit more of a camelot/excalibur thing of it being a "true hero" that can pull the sword from the pedestal. Not necessarily someone of the first hero's blood. This is because as far as I am aware, each incarnation of Link has actually been from a different bloodline. The only common factor is that they are touched by the triforce in some degree. 2. Somewhere they have a child but we have no knowledge of who, what, where or when. This is such a glossed over idea by Nintendo - we know Zelda is an descendent from thousands of years in the future but Rauru and Sonia both die during the events of the game and it seems impossible for them to have had a child unless they had one before and it hid away for years, but how was it not seen? 3. Conjecture my friend. There's no actual proof of the ancient hero being the 8th, just the stories do go well together. The 8th is a voe, this is true. Again though, these are just stories, and how do we not know that the meanings got lost to time? Males are easily changed to females through stories lost to time, and vice versa. 4. I covered the maneuvering under the veil in the comments and actually all you see when you move the camera around is a really pale, white pasty face...a male Hylian. 5. Yes, agreed, but ANY hero could well wear this armour - let's not forget, Link has a set of this armour too and we are pretty sure he's not Zonai too. 6. I said in the video they are part dragon. The Zonai in this instance are humanoid/animal/dragon - Mineru being a rabbit and Rauru being a goat. I actually subscribe to the point you made at the end - the legend has been told over and over again and things have been lost to the legend. The idea of a male being the 8th could have changed. It's actually funny, stepping back and going "Oh what happened in between these times" is actually what led to this idea to begin with. I wasn't looking at the 10's of thousands of years ago but the 100's of years ago, and the thousands, where this character came to be. Your comment, in a weird way while looking to disprove my theory actually managed to help prove it more, by stating that things get lost to the legends over time. Thank you very much for the comment and well thought out words. I really appreciate it!
I think that the ancient hero could be a gerudo zonai mix
Does seem to look that way!
There is nothing thats says that another male can't be born because the other is still alive. All that is said is that a male is born every 100 years. Its more than likely just a garudo male, either transfigured by gloom, or sheikha tech to help fight Calamity ganon.
Only the NPCs that state there hasnt been a Voe since the calamity and Creating a Champion, page 404 which explicitly states the same.
Has everyone forgotten that Link too has had head red hair a few times? Sure this is another race other than hylian(Or something happened to him where his body was changed like TP's Link.).This is a Link.
Red hair? He had pink. Was a darker shade of blonde in the N64 games. Never vibrant red. The only race to have vibrant red so far has been Gerudo.
@@heylistengaming Odd, I remember him having red hair when I was young. Nevertheless I still think this is a form of Link. Whether it is a new race or a cursed form. Maybe they will reveal it in the next game. Heck maybe this Ancient hero and the 8th "Heroine" are one and the same. Hence, the jewelry.
@@mikarabidkitsune nope. No red hair in sight. It was like bubblegum pink in ALTTP. I'm really not sure it is a form of Link at all. I dont know why but it seems too easy and somethings not quite right about it. Something regarding the gerudo link that's there and the zonai clothing. I'm not sure about it being a cursed form, I'd say losing an arm is cursed enough!
@@heylistengaming Well then I will give you a point there on the hair. I still remeber him with red hair at some point. Mandela effect? LOL However, when it comes to your point on my idea being "Too easy," Occam's Razor my dude. Never discount the most simple solution just because it is simple. Wouldn't be the first time werid stuff has happened to Link. Link to the Past had him running around as a rabbit at one point. Call it a hunch.
Well he kind of looks like the dog knights in Windwaker.
Interesting....
You make a strong case regarding the differences between the Aspect and the Zonai- I had always thought the Aspect was one, but you opened my eyes. However, you started to lose me around the whole "burnt skin" part, and it all just began to feel like a tinfoil hat theory. First off, if you look at Link's arm after it has made contact with gloom, it is severely blackened and burnt, not only is it a darker color, but there are visible wounds everywhere about it. The Aspect's skin, however, is clearly smooth and free of scars or marks. You use the coloration of the tapestry as evidence towards your point but this is a ten thousand year old piece of art and it's depictions of these people are heavily stylized. If we disregard the stylization and interpret these depictions at face value, the point you raise is just false anyways. You say that Zelda's skin tone matches the Hero's when it clearly doesn't? Zelda's is a bit more pink/orange while the Hero's is bright red, like his hair. The Aspect's face wasn't "brighter" back then, it was just stylized to be red because of his striking long red hair that covered most of his head. After this you somehow go on to tie the Aspect to the Gerudo? Because of it's outfit/accessories? My brother in Christ did you not find the Zonaite armor set? The clothes the Aspect wears are identical to the Zonaite armor you can equip as Link, aside from the headpiece and earrings which can be assumed to be of Zonai origin as they match with the gold on the rest of the outfit. I don't mean to throw any disrespect, I'm just so utterly baffled out here. Maybe I misunderstood part of the video somewhere. Regardless, it's cool that you're making these theories, and if you're enjoying it then by all means keep doing what you love. But this is a little _too_ out there.
Thank you for your time to write this out! First of all, thank you for acknowledging the points I made comparing the Zonai to the Aspect. Now, let's talk about burnt skin...because THIS is probably the only place I can say that sentence and it make sense. The actual thought from this came before I had the 3D model at my disposal. A Lot of images of the Aspect have a LOT darker skin, not so much greyish green but more so a blackened green/grey. It could, of course be lighting, but from what I saw, the skin was a lot darker than the lighting I managed to achieve on the 3D model. The ACTUAL take though is not so much the colour of the skin but a lot more so the markings on the shoulder, which feel like a 1:1 copy of the markings on Link after the gloom attacks his arm. The pattern is absolutely identical, and Link does not have these markings prior to Ganondorf's attack. This led me to believe that the pattern was achieved in the same way. The colouring of the tapestry, yes could be stylization due to the age of the tapestry. However, yes, I see your point in terms of the skin on the hero being more red to match the hair colour. It's odd, the imagery I used in the video it looked less red and a LOT more brown, which backed up my idea there. However you could be right here in that the point is NOT proven by the tapestry. Yes, this model IS wearing the Zonaite Armour. However, this armour is not proven to be worn solely by Zonai. After all, Link, a Hylian wears it. This stone armour is not solely exclusive to the Zonai and therefore cannot be used to prove anything. Perhaps I should have glossed over this to dismiss it but I figured it would make sense on it's own merit. The jewellery though is a completely different matter. This Jewellery, the neck piece specifically and the head piece, are passed down at least once in the series as we know it - by Gerudo leadership. Both Riju and Urbosa are shown with these, and Urbosa with the earrings. This to me indicates that this Jewellery is an important thing to the Gerudo for some reason, and the Gerudo leadership are adorned with them when sworn is as a leader. The head piece really interested me though as if you take the blue gem OUT of it, and place it at the bottom of the headpiece, this reflects Riju's one almost perfectly. Almost as if in time, the stone fell out and Gerudo craftsmen couldn't inset it again so they linked it onto the headpiece. I dont think this is entirely too far out there at all. I think it takes adjusting to new ideas and theories, and what I love about these videos is actually the interaction that comes from them and the amount of people coming up with ideas based on what has been said within the video. I love how divisive it is, in terms of some people thinking the aspect must be male, must be Zonai, must be Gerudo.
@@heylistengaming You make some fair points, and to be honest I love Zelda lore, and I have a lot of fun just nerding out about games I like, so I'll return with some of my own points. First off, when you're referring to the marks on the aspect, do you mean they mirror the scars on his burnt arm during his first encounter with Ganondorf, or the patterns around his shoulder after his arm has already been replaced? I would argue that the patterns around his shoulder are likely a result of his new arm, or just typical Zonai designs, rather than being a result of Ganondorf's attack, but there's no conclusive evidence towards that. As for the Zonaite armor, my intention wasn't to imply that only a Zonai would wear it- I still don't believe the Aspect to be a Zonai, but I would argue that the gold pieces are just a part of the Zonai aesthetic- and I have some light evidence to prove it. The Zonaite armor, as well as the Charged, Ember, and Frostbite sets all incorporate gold into their designs to some capacity. Going over each Aspect headpiece one by one, let's start with the neck rings, which are easiest to debunk. At first, I thought the rings were the strongest evidence of a connection to the Gerudo, before I noticed the gold piece they're connected to which rests atop the wearer's shoulders. This gold piece sports prominent Zonai symbols, the strange Zonai eye, as well as a few spirals. Besides that, the rings are also present when Link wears the set, a set which is supposed to be of Zonai origin. It wouldn't make that much sense for there to be some random Gerudo neck rings on it. The earrings are, in actuality, likely the strongest evidence toward your point. While they are of a different shape and design of the hoop earrings worn by Urbosa as well as those seen on the Desert Voe armor, they are still hoop earrings. There's much I can say to disprove you here. Then, there's the headpiece, which I'd argue looks completely different than any Gerudo designs we've seen, except for Ganondorf's headpiece. If you look closely, the Aspect's headpiece and Ganondorf's headpiece look very, very close to each other, with similar shapes and patterns that appear on both, just in different arrangements. So, you might claim that there's a connection to the Gerudo there- until you rewatch the cutscene where Ganondorf steals Sonia's secret stone. As it turns out, his headpiece _isn't_ of Gerudo origin, magically appearing around the secret stone as he places it on his forehead. The secret stones are Zonai relics, which implies that both of these headpieces are related to the Zonai, rather than the Gerudo. As a side point, the gem in the Aspect's headpiece is a different shape and color than the gem seen in Riju's. I'm not sure what race the Aspect is, but I don't believe them to be Gerudo, or to have any connection to them. But, I could always be wrong. Regardless, it was fun looking over the different armor sets and going through the memories to find evidence for my point, and again I'm passionate about Zelda and Zelda lore which is why my initial reaction was so intense. That's all I have to say, but if you have any more points or rebuttals or just want to continue this discussion further I'd be glad to. Have a good one.
I also believe the Ancient Hero is a child of the king and queen. But can we talk about something else. When are we going to deal with the Gerudo male child as a small baby and show him some love so he doesn't grow up and try to kill everyone? He has a million sisters, you mean to tell me no one gives this baby a hug? 😅😂😊
IF hes the child of Rauru and Sonia, he is a descendant of said child. We're talking 10,000+ years! I agree. Ganonbaby just needs a cuddle, but no. Because he's presumed to be evil, the Gerudo likely cast him out! No wonder why his hatred is so much!
I always understood it as "every 100 years a male Gerudo is born", so even though Ganondorf is captured underneath Hyrule castle, there will still be a male Gerudo every 100 years? Or did I unstand it wrong? :0
So this is one of those "ambiguous" things, but I think I said it best in another comment. I'll try to shorten it a bit. There is an inference, it is not explicitly stated anywhere, but inferred heavily that a Ganondorf must die before another male can be born. This is inferred by the ages and timescales. Most races, bar shiekah live for 80-100 years. If Link is frozen for 100 years, and is 17 in BOTW, that means he has "lived" long enough for 2 new Gerudo males to be born. Even with the 20 year gap, where there is NO Gerudo male, by the time we get to TOTK there should have been 2 Gerudo males born... HOWEVER, this has not happened. The Gerudo have not allowed males near their colony until Link sneaks in, and this has been for some time as they are petrified of males. A male being born would have created a MASSIVE shift in dynamic in the Gerudo lands. In fact, the ONLY male Gerudo in the entirety of both games is Ganondorf. So unless it is the case that his being alive stops another being born, then where are the other 2 Gerudo males? One would likely be dead by TOTK but the 2nd would be adolescent at oldest. There is no sign of him at all, no inference of him, no mention of him. There is nothing. We can therefore say that if there is no Gerudo male other than G-man now, then we can go back through history and infer the same. We could safely say there's no Gerudo males 10,000 years ago+. The Gerudo females have grown scared of males BECAUSE the 1 that got born 10's of thousands of years ago turned out to be incredibly evil, and after that, no others were born.
@@heylistengamingI disagree, the guy who gives the gerudo disguise im both seems to be a male gerudo (when u zoom in at his face you can see the similarities), I saw another video where its speculated that after ganondorf no man is allowed in gerudo town, even "male" gerudo are outcasted
Hey I think you're talking about Benja? Looking at his ears he is 100% hylian. If its Vilia you're talking about, if you can work the camera well enough when you're behind them, you can see their actual skin tone is not a gerudo skin tone underneath the mask. If they've been in the sun for a long period, the tan will happen naturally but as they are wearing a mask, the skin under the mask wouldn't tan. The rest of it is disguise to get them into the Gerudo town.
If people are gonna make stuff up, like assume there ISN'T a male gerudo for 20 000 years, because with zero evidence they PRESUME Demise is what causes one to be born, there's a much better explanation. Why would they ever ARRIVE to such a BS number as 100 years, if it's constantly disproven in a human lifetime? Gerudo just don't display somatic male traits except for an incidental fluke, and the "genders" refer to what they have refered to most of human history: societal standing. Yes, by and large you get to become man or woman depending on your physical trait of male or female, BUT IF IT WAS AMBIGUOUS like in many animal species, obviously it can only go one of two ways: either hunters and home-makers are separate, or there is effectively a single gender in the species. Nintendo HEAVILY lampshades their interest in these concepts by having Gorons in there too, and many, many references to animal pair-bonding. This would also explain why pair-bonding outside the Gerudo race is so formalized, since 50% of the race simply can't bear children to begin with, and it becomes somewhat sacred in the culture already inspired by 1001 Nights, out of a land that had eunuchs and Janissaries like famously the younger brother of Vlad Tepes. Myopia over what is presented to THE PLAYER and cherrypicking lines to take as absolute evidence, doesn't explain anything. Literally, in scientific terms it has no explanatory value, it's just cargo cultism, INCLUDING anthropoligal science where these legends are just made up by the authors at nintendo let alone created as part of this fictional world. Paired with the fact people spew BS like Zora "evolution" in a handful of millennia, it really gets on the level of like believing fossils WERE just put there by God, but you're atheist because God is a mean troll. It just bad form to think with such oxygen-deprivation AT ALL, in your own life. And sure, overtly sceintific explnation ina magical world may still not be accurate, but it's a step to a more plausible direction, we jsut ahve to DETERMINE which parts are magical. Not jsut scrutinize some throwaway lines with delusional conviction. I would say there is accelerated evolution based on things like Jabu Jabus's and Valoo's scales, but whose then to say ANY species is normally anything but human-like? Well, I think Zonai already used a MAgic Mirror like device to go between Light adn Dark world with impure hearts.
@@heylistengaming If there was only Ganondorf then there wouldn't even be a Legend of a male Gerudo is born every 100 years. It suggests there there have been other males. If Ganondorf has to die for there to be another Gerudo; then he would just reincarnate. Then, Ganondorf would be back. If that were the case; the Gerudo would just seal away every Gerudo male to prevent Ganondorf from growing up. Which would make Ganondorf's reincarnating as the only Gerudo seem pretty self defeating. I think it's more likely that when a male Gerudo is born it is kept secret than exiled outside of the Kingdom (most likely with his mother). We know that there are other Zora Kingdoms due to Sidon's wife. So, there could be another Gerudo Town where the male might be allowed to live. Or just away from the Kingdom.
I have not seen it stated, or even so much as hinted, anywhere that there can only be one Gerudo male at a time. One male is born once every hundred years. By Gerudo law, this lone male is destined to become king of the Gerudo and Guardian of the Desert. This law was changed after the king who became the Calamity, and there has not been another male leader since. There is one character in Breath of the Wild who disagrees with your idea that there can only be one male at a time. No, it is not Vilia, even if there is a small possibility that he is part Gerudo. This person does in fact happen to be a Gerudo. Her name is Rhondson. You meet Rhondson at the Kara Kara Bazaar, and ultimately you recruit her as part of the Tarrey Town sidequest. She is looking for a husband. In her conversation with you she mentions that it is rare for a male to be born to the Gerudo. Notice that she says "is", not "was". If it hadn't happened in 10,000 years, I think she would have said that males are no longer born. I should also mention that one of the text options of this conversation (I did this before activating her part of the sidequest, but I don't think that matters) is that Link can say, "No male Gerudo." (His other option is "Why the rush?") Both of her responses have similar wording, and she uses "it's" (it is) in both of them. I agree that there should have been at least one male Gerudo running about at some point during this particular Link's lifetime. However, just because we never saw him onscreen doesn't mean he never existed. Many lives were lost to the Calamity, and affected by if not also lost to the Upheaval. It is possible that he died because of one of these events. I'm not ruling out old age since we don't know the average Gerudo lifespan (likely similar to Hylians), but we also do not know where we are at in the hundred year cycle. One could have been born, become an adult, and died during Link's 100 year sleep, meaning that the next one has yet to be born. Some might mention the ears of the Gerudo. They are now pointed, like a Hylian's. While round in the most recent title, Ganondorf's ears have also been pointed in previous titles. This is perhaps merely a design choice on Nintendo's part since there are elements of every prior design to this version of Ganondorf. In short, I don't think that the Ancient Hero is a Gerudo Vai. Assuming that the Ancient Hero and the "Eighth Heroine" of Gerudo legend are the same person (which is another debate entirely), then it is definitely not the case because that sidequest (worth doing by the way) reveals that the eighth heroine was specifically a male.
This is an excellent comment, thank you so much for taking the time to write this all out. It is intimated, not said outright that there can only be one gerudo male at a time, but I am happy to be proven wrong. The issue here is that there is no proof either way and can be conjected either way. Yes though, one malle is born every 100 years, and does not necessarily become king anymore, and yes the rules were changed by the seems of things after the first calamity. This is interesting about Rhondson, I would not propose that Vilia is Gerudo at all, but is Hylian. Rhondson though, stating it "is rare" is an interesting turn of phrase. I still dont think this changes a massive amount about my theory though, based on the fact that the Aspect is CLEARLY wearing Gerudo Jewellery which is passed down by the seems of things to the next female leader. Take a look at the shoes (clear gladiator sandles with a heel, very feminine), the multistage choker, the ear rings. These are all passed down, bar the ear rings, from Urbosa to Riju and arguably happened before that in time as well. I am not convinced that the 8th heroine and the Ancient hero are the same person, if I am honest. I'm not convinced of whom they are though and I want to do a bit more digging into it before getting really pulled into that argument.
We know from Hyrule Historia that there has been no records of a male leader since totk gannondorf. Furthermore, it is even further hinted by the fact that we see no male born in the 100 year gap in botw. It's not outright stated, but it's definitley hinted way more than it isn't. With Gannondorf being SEALED and not KILLED. It is also the explanation that makes way more sense
A lone surviving Zonai visited lovers pond where he met a Gerudo *poof* Ancient hero 😜
OOF and then "Relations" happen. I guess the one lone survivor is the offspring of Rauru and Sonia?!
Here’s a question. Given that we know Zelda and Link continue reincarnating in Spirit Tracks, what do you think the reincarnation of Ganondorf was doing during that time?
This one is pretty simple. Ganondorf in WW wasn't actually KILLED. He was stabbed in the head, sure, but he's survived worse, and he's actually turned to stone in the end of the game while the world then drowns. In theory, he can't get out of this situation, and doesn't, but the turning into stone in effect petrifies him, thus stopping the reincarnation. In each timeline, a way is devised to stop the reincarnation - turned to stone, neck snapped and soul drained, or just flat out destroyed. I think he can't reincarnate because he isn't utterly destroyed. Which would mean that in theory, if the timelines have all merged into one, then the only Ganondorf's bloodline that TOTK's Ganondorf can actually come from is the one that is destroyed and not sealed or petrified...so...the downfall timeline...is...the right one?!
@@heylistengaming do you think that the Zelda and Link of the time were in a different land when Ganondorf was sealed in TotK?
This is a great video and theory but I hate to say it, honestly I don't think the developers think that deeply into the game. I think the fans put together pieces that were made just conceptually vague enough to make sense and support many different theories and they sit back and are like "oh, yeah - sure that's what it is!" It's pretty disappointing but they just leave so much up in the air that frustrates me that I really think there's a significant amount of laziness on the writing side. I may be wrong, but I wish they would prove me wrong in a big way because I love these games and would love to know that they put a crazy amount of detailed work into the stories and connected them all.
Thank you so much, I appreciate that. No, you're probably right, the developers probably don't think that deeply, however, thats why channels like this and others do exist - because while the devs may not think about it, we do and we enjoy the discussion and discourse about what things could be. I am kind of glad that they don't ever answer our questions and it gives us more to look at as we go on. I feel lucky that as a community we semi accept that fact!
if it's gerudo why does it have a snout like the zonei and the ear's of an ancient Hylian?
The snout isn't Zonai AT ALL, it's more like a rat than anything. The ears, are also Hylian but the Gerudo also have pointed ears.
i mean don't get me wrong i like the theory, it's just something seems off. i wish we had more info on the new race that lived in the depths. i wonder if they'll explain it in dlc. well if they make dlc that is.@@heylistengaming
2 things, cant be gerudo, he have 2 important thing tail, and its difitigrade, and the armor is the zonai armor exactly the same u use from the baterry cells, the other things is good i dont thing he is ganon or probably nor related with the actual races of hyrule, proably a completly new race its not even zonai XDDD
Tail - either is something specific to the Ancient Hero, or it's something thats evolved out of a race. Its one or the other. Explain the gerudo jewelry and hair if the Gerudo are not involved at all though? I can't in any other way other than they were an important part of the Gerudo tribe. Armour - well they are also clearly related to the Zonai as well in some fashion, as evident by their face and animal like body structure. This helps to explain the tail. As comments are generally leading me down this route in ways of thinking, I MAY have undershot the importance of the Zonai within this theory.
@@heylistengaming simple explain jewelry, he proably will be train for another tribes, even be trained for gerudo but not necessarily gerudo, even from the animalistic fetures maybe the gerudo watch him more like a animal than a VOE, some crazy hipottesis its a kind of chimera made from kouma and kotake with dna of gannon beast + hyrules + gerudo + zonai from make a ganondorf a try to resurrete him with the blood of the child then he broke free and save the world but its like 0 evidence for that XDDD
did the master sword also come from the ancient hero?
I dont see how it did? He wielded it, sure. But the Master Sword is an artifact of legend, born from the white blade of the Sky which was tempered in Skyward Sword, and then imbued with the spirits of both Fi and Demise. Demise, over time, degraded inside of the sword yet Fi remained latent. A "Hero" is able to wield the sword. The Hero is always said to be an incarnation of Link, but there's actually a chance here that the ancient hero proves that idea incorrect, and that the hero is ANYONE who is chosen by the Triforce of Courage. Demise's curse didn't say there will always be a Link, but always be a Hero. The Master sword didn't come FROM the ancient hero, more that she held the sword as a part of her heroic duty.
None of this explains the dog-like features though. The face, the tail, the feet...
The feet dont strike me enough as paws. Not enough to say dog or any other quadrupedal animal. The face is more like a rat than a dog. The tail...is more lion like I guess than anything? In all honesty though the make up doesnt really matter. This is more of a Gerudo Voe/Zonai Male blend than anything as I'm getting further through debate with people!
Nope the Shieka created the divine beasts using ancient Zonia Technology ten thousand years before BoTW. Key work here is "ancient". The Zonia were already long extinct by the time the Calamity from ten thousand years before BoTW. Zelda was transported to a time much further back then ten thousand years. It should also be noted that Nintendo has specifically stated that the Zonia founded the "New Hyrule" meaning the Zonia founded or refounded Hyrule after the events of all previous games. It is also implied that there have been multiple Calamity's with the most recent one from BoTW being exceptionally bad so much so that even Hyrule Castle was occupied temporarily.
- Yes they created the divine beasts, no argument here, that much is canon. - We DON'T know that they were made from Zonai technology and in all honesty, looking at the guardians vs the constructs, the similarities are pretty weak, so I'd say possibly made more out of their own technology. - Nintendo never stated that the Zonai founded a NEW Hyrule, but it can be presumed out of the fact that Rauru claims himself as the first king. There is zero way this is Hyrule #1, but this has born a theory that this game sits between SS and MC. I do not believe in that at all, I think it only works if its in it's own isolated bubble at the end of the timeline. - Yes there's been multiple calamities which is why I refer to the VERY ORIGINAL hero, this Ancient Hero being 10k years previous but the Zonai going as far back as 30k years.
i think the courage related mask on the ancient-hero legwear is supposed to be an ape
Interesting but what link is there to apes within the Zelda universe? The other 2 are 100% a boar and an owl - power and wisdom, leading the third to have to be the animal that symbolizes courage in the Zelda universe.
what if they're a mix of every race in Hyrule?
Could well be, I'm just failing to see Goron in there!
you're right, nor zora 😅@@heylistengaming
@@xmindy.kirbyx Can we count out rito too? I see no beaks, wings or talons?
Also if the Ancient Hero is female, then.. true identity of the 8th Heroine? I know the quest reveals them to be male but if the character model suggests the character may have been genderfluid then its possible some people belived them male and others female
I think the 8th is someone completely different. The quest does reveal them to be male. The character model doesnt help us clear up the fluidity of this characters gender, but it DOES help us be not so sure that the character is certainly male. The 8th does not need to be the ancient hero. As far as we are aware there are at least 2 calamities prior to the one that starts in BOTW.
It's clearly a male and being Gerudo has no bearing on that. The Gerudo even honor a male with the 8th Heroine who they regret casting out for being a male despite his heroics. With the triforce being long forgotten and this character clearly carrying traits of a Hylian, Gerudo, and Zonai, would it be far fetched to assume the hero is a living embodiment of the triforce?
The 8th and this hero may not be related in the slightest. Even if the both are Gerudo, there's no substantial proof and even though it seems the most likely, it certainly isn't for sure. I DO like your idea of the Triforce though, its a pretty cool idea!
your questioning how ganodorf could be holding the sword and sealed under the castle guess your forgetting how many ganondorfs where alive while this one was sealed
No, I ruled out the idea because only 1 exists in that time period, the one that's under hyrule castle. It's implied that a gerudo male can't be born until their last king has died. As a result, there are no other gerudo males during Ganondorfs sealing period.
@@heylistengaming will a gerudo male be born after link defeated ganondorf in the ending of totk?
@@heylistengaming: Except that is one interpretation. The actual quote is that there has never been a male Gerudo leader since Ganondorf. That does not insinuate that there were no males, just no leaders that were male. This is especially proven to be the case when considering Vilia in BotW is confirmed to be male by Creating a Champion and implied in the game itself.
@itzriotplayz2377 I would presume that yes, there would be a new gerudo male now, because it looked like his death was pretty final in TOTK. Not unless they manage to retcon the ending.
@fishnewt1331 It could be that there's no leaders, however the sheer probability says otherwise. The reason I say this is as follows: Let's go on Gorons and their life expectancy of 80-100 years, based on none of them remembering the calamity 100 years previous in BOTW. I would actually say we could use this as a general base of ages for *most* races in BOTW/TOTK, with an exception being the Shiekah who have always been known for magic, and of course Zelda who has ties to the Shiekah in some respect, would likely have a very similar life expectancy. So lets go with 80 years. If a Gerudo male is born every 100 years and the average life span is 80 years, then there is 20 years in time where there is no Gerudo male, right? Just 20 years in each 100 years. Link in BOTW is (And I DO NOT count the time skip with his age because if you are cyrogenically frozen you do NOT age), 17. Presuming there's a 6-7 year gap between BOTW and TOTK, this means he's 22. This means a Gerudo male WILL have been born during his life time. Also, lets take into account the Cyro sleep. That means there's been 2 opportunities for Link to run into a Gerudo male who is NOT Ganondorf. The odds of this seem pretty low, that Link would a) be born, train until the age of 17, and be born inside of that window that there is no Gerudo male born, and then wake up from Cyro sleep into another time window where there's no Gerudo male. I wouldn't want to work out the probability but it would have to be low for that to happen in not just one but two "Ganon" cycles, unless there was never one born due to one being under ground, alive but sealed.
What race is Midna? The ancient hero looks like a Midna/wolf cross. 👀
Weirdly does. She's twili, isn't she? Twili isn't really a race anymore, but the name COULD have shifted from legend to legend.
Until it’s canonically stated, BotW&TotK takes place hundreds of years after the waters of the Wind Waker subsided. And that the reason there isn’t a Zelda during the “founding” of Hyrule is because the incarnation of Zelda at the point in time is still living in the land of the Spirit Tracks. Perhaps a little after Zelda turned herself into a dragon members of the original royal family travel back and remarry into the TotK royal family, bringing back the connection to her incarnations.
*Thousands of years, not hundreds. It isn't explicitly stated, but it IS stated quite clearly that anything that happens BEFORE BOTW is considered to be from an age of myth, which would indicate that it is far enough in time away from WW/ST/PH to be in effect what the Roman or Greek era is or was to us now, a complete era of mythology.
@@heylistengaming I was going to put thousands but didn’t want to overshoot the estimate
Yeah its one hundred percent thousands. Possibly even longer if we're talking about that era becoming the age of myth.@@betterlatethannever4529
He looks like a hybrid that unisex hero
Everyones thinking I was avoiding the pronounces as a way of saying they are unisex. I Wasn't. I was hiding the gender. But yes, a hybrid is quite likely, Gerudo x Zonai I would say.
But why is his hair red? And why does he have that centre piece on his forehead like Ganondorf always has? This may be a crazy thought.. but.. In the show of fealty memory, when Ganondorf stated "except you and your sister that is". The way he said "your sister" is very suspicious. Link also had red hair back in the late 80s when the franchise was first created. What if, Ganondorf and Mineru had what would be the ancient hero which would bring the lineage of Link? I dunno.
1. Because she is certainly gerudo. 2. The head piece is handed down by gerudo royalty decendents or gerudo leaders hence why Riju has one too. 3. Its an interesting idea, but I'm not sure Mineru would happily have any form of relations with Ganondorf, even without knowing who he really was, he just exudes bad dude, ya know?
We all knwo a single male born on the gerudos every 100 years but,they never told us that they can't give birth to twin's,call me crazy but what if instead of une born twins? Une Ganondorf who looks human but have demise curse,and the other une that because some of that curse born with animalistic look similar to dark beast ganon but without demise curse? Imagen that a beast looking gerudo but good and strong enough to handle the master sword againsts his evil brother?
Thats an interesting - pretty far out there - but interesting idea! Actually, have we had MANY instances of twins throughout BOTW/TOTK? I can't think of any off the top of my head. This would be an interesting idea, and would play out like an anime styled storyline in my head. This would be awesome to see play out in a game.
You can't really say you have "proof" n then just call it all a theory, that's just silly. And because he has green skin, you think he was burnt head to toe, even though Link's burns are black n red until Rauru heals them? It's also very possible, and more likely, that a Gerudo female had a child with, I dunno, a lion or some shit, n THAT offspring was a male. There is no rule stating interracial couples can't bore a male child, only that only that "1 male is born TO THE GERUDO every 100 years".
Well it is a theory, right? I mean, I do have proof that its not Ganondorf, or a Zonai, which is EXACTLY what I set out with? But anything to do with Zelda, when we're looking this deep in, is 100% theory work. The skin is kind of weird. It's not really green. Its not really blue. Its kind of blackened. The lighting on the 3D model shows it off a lot more blue than it should do. The markings on his shoulder are remarkably similar to Link's markings on his shoulder and arm. Shape, thickness, size. They're pretty much the same. Whatever happened to make those marks on the ancient hero ALSO happened to Link, ergo, the theory of him being burned. Yeah, we actually know that Gerudo have had children with outside races. Rhondson is the best example here. The children of Gerudo Vai ALWAYS follow the mother though, the genes are that dominant, and again, the children, weirdly, are ALWAYS female. It's part of the "gerudo curse" or something to that effect.
You have interpretation of small observations.
Im betting on "thats a minish redesign"
Everyone is saying this and I just do not see minish in this AT ALL!
they come from the sky, have the power of "the light force" and have the capacity to create and reforge their own "blade that seals evil"
The minish being the Zonai is something that is very fan theory derived. Both from the sky, yes. The Zonai can't create a version of the master sword, just heal it via forbidden tactics of losing their minds and even then its arguable the don't know that can happen for sure until zelda does it herself. The animalistic design of the Zonai, the incredible links with magic and the link to the sages more so from OoT than the minish and their heights, that with them being take than zelda are good enough reasons for me to not see it.
Going with another gerudo male in history going to attempt to right the blight that impacted the gerudo people because of ganons evil ways
I'm just not convinced it's male due to the fact that Ganondorf is still sealed by this point in time so another male can't be born according to Creating a Champion and the fact there's been no males born in 10,000 years
@@heylistengaming the ancient hero would have been fighting ganondorf in the tapestry, no? And does any lore state that no males were born of the gerudo since ganondorf?
President hudson has something to do with it
Hudson? He...wouldnt have been alive at the time of the ancient heroine, unless....he's....actually....Tingle?!
If the ancient hero is not male, then who is the 8th "heroine"?
Another mystery we are NEVER supposed to solve, but can only speculate on. Or a horrible historical inaccuracy.
...What was solved?
The Ancient Hero is................
The ganon on the tapestry represents the snake ganon that swarms around the castle tho????
Isn't it odd though that "snake" ganon resembles the final form of Dragon Ganon? Like one took the form of another? Like one was perhaps given the form of the other? They're not separate entities, I liken these to be almost one and the same, the same as Phantom Ganon and Ganon (OOT), where one takes the form of the other and therefore they have assumed the same shape.
You described the 8th heroine, but that was a dude as well
But I never described a statue that was made separate to 7 others? I'm so not convinced that the ancient hero = the 8th.
just wanna point out that there does exist a second Gerudo male in BOTW. (the cross dresser who give link the Gerudo Vai armor)
If you position yourself between him and the camera and look direct upwards you can see under his mask. He is actually very pale underneath it. He's had that part covered to hide as a Voe, because he's actually Hylian. He's not a Vai at all.
@@heylistengaming fair, but I like to think that they're more of a mix in race after all I believe they still have very clear knowledge about gerudo voe being born every hundred years.
9:57 - You gonna answer that Discord ping?
............wow. I actually recorded that section twice because of that and apparently used the first version. That's embarrassing haha.
@@heylistengaming Lmao, it's alright, it adds character. I just thought I'd be funny and point it out.
He's definitely Male cuz it's the "Ancient Hero" not Heroine also he has a Male body so, that aside great video
Hero/Heroine could be a translation lost to time. Male body is because the "sleeve" of the aspect fits around Link who is male, but the original was female.
@@heylistengaming that's a good point I agree
This doesn’t make any sense. You went out of the way to point out the toes and animal feet only to settle on a gerudo?
I was sure I cleared this up, and pointed out the fact that this would have been evolved out as there are 0 races with 4 toes by Link's era.
@@heylistengaming you did, but the gerudo already looked like humans (I think most people consider them humans) by Rauru’s era. We know the first calamity happened way after that so your theory requires an explanation of 2 things: why did was one member of a human species born with pre human features, and why would that body be the vessel for the spirit of the hero. As far as the ancient hero clearly not being human, you also have to consider it’s link dawning the aspect of the hero. The markings in the Zonai are merely the zonai arm showing through the aspect like it does in every other armor set. This also means we don’t need to see the hero’s aspect as a 1:1 for what the ancient hero looked like because it’s still Just a costume. It could very well be intended as a Zonai but we are seeing it as half link. It could be a mogma, which is actually a bit of a closer match if we allow for fur and hair color. Personally I think the hero’s aspect is dumb. There is no logical in universe explanation for his appearance, and like so many things in this game it was just some throw away garbage that the writers didn’t fully actualize.
ppl keep forgetting about the crossdressing gerudo from botw
I never forgot about him at all. I discounted him immediately as if you get the camera in a certain spot, you can see under the mask and you can see this character is not gerudo, but is Hylian and has been tanned due to being out in the sun. Under the mask is pale like a hylian.
@@heylistengaming I thought that was a 4oclock shadow under the mask
@@GenMars there's no hair at all. Shadowing from the mask and pale skin.
I just had to stop watching at the beginning. We are told that is Calamity Ganon. It is Calamity Ganon. I'm not sure what else to say.
I never said it wasn't calamity ganon, just that it remarkably looks LESS like calamity Ganon and more like the Demon Dragon.
@@heylistengaming But it doesn't look more like the Dragon. It looks like Calamity Ganon from outside and above the Castle.
@@heylistengaming Sorry if I misheard the first part.
The eighth heroine Quest is your answer. I can't wait to see the retelling on the merge timeline of a link to the past. We already have the Dark World introduced we know of time travel. The next game we get to fight the imprisoning as this hero that you question
The 8th heroine isnt my answer to this at all, Im not convinced that they're one and the same. As for the rest, we'll have to see, I think we will have a totally new game in a new vision of Hyrule, and likely it won't pay too much attention to the timeline other than having bits and pieces from the previous games in as easter eggs, similar to how it works now.
Linkle confirmed?
LMAO Linkle WASN'T my main thought but it certainly would be one take on it!
But… Gerudo don’t have tails…
No they don't but the Zora didn't have wings...
@@heylistengaming so you’re saying it’s an evolution? Probably used to be an Eevee 😋
In pokemon, in fairly sure everything used to be an eevee. Hahaha.
Too much thought on nothing... it's just an outfit of Zonai that fit link body it's a human/Zonai that's it 😅
If there's no overthinking then theres no video, and then there's no channel and then I don't get to answer all these awesome replies and see the community REALLY grow. I'd rather be making videos on my thoughts on nothing tbh.
The ancient hero's aspect looks very n'avi from avatar to me
Actually does look like something from Avatar haha.
@@heylistengaming it really does haha 😂