Dune Part Two - The Movie We All Needed

It was a shame the first one released mainly through HBOMAX and when watching it through there I knew I had missed out on something special. However, I have seen the 2nd part in cinemas and it is immense. It would be a great disrespect to everyone involved and the art of film itself to watch this anywhere else other than a cinema.

That is a crock of sh1t and a PR pitch and nothing more. I just watched it on the biggest screen in town, and the poor visual quality was so obvious everything looked fake. It looked AWFUL on the big screen. The scale-model town looked like toys, as did the spice harvesters and the buzzing copters, as well the Harkonnen military lined up like North Korea, and the fans in the stands, all looked completely cheap and FAKE. For them to have all the TECH, NOW, in this day and age, with all the money and skill in the world, for it look this poor and sparse in set designs and graphics, makes Lynch's version 100% better for what they managed to achieve back 40, count them, FORTY YEARS AGO!!!!! And with a better story and execution of drama and intent, no less!!!! Den Evil Nerf has no idea how to actually tell a SCREEN STORY. There is no drama to any of it, no tension, no suspense, everything just SORT OF HAPPENS AND MOVES ALONG, it's an absolute bore to watch, as it does not engage the viewer, and with the poor visuals and unnecessarily loud sound effects to try to distract you with music that does nothing to heighten the drama and tension, the music was truly just "background" music that thad no real purpose than to just be there to as a TV PERFUME COMMERCIAL type of music. I wish somebody would wake up and watch how real movies were made back in the day, for CINEMA, not this garbage

​@@ScrewyDriverTheMan PR pitch ? Try harder mate 😢

@@ScrewyDriverTheManagree, dune is boring.

*SPOILER ALERT* On the 2D screen, the visuals work. The timeline in the books is years, the movie 6 months. The focus on the Bene Gesserit is being set up for the HBO Bene Gesserit series they are creating to let YOU know the "true potential" of "women". Not humanity as a whole, just women. /got misandry? The Fremen in the books are thoughtful, traditional, disciplined. Denis made them overly fanatical to a point of stupid. Paul said he has seen all timelines and in only one do we succeed, so you would think that would be enough for them to agree to the course to be done with the oppressive empire. No prophecy fervor run up with Chani having a resting bitch face, internal temper tantrum of confusion needed. The baby talking is creative to give another layer of consciousness to the witches. /HBO series While killing Rabban, Gurney should have said, "This is for my Sister." because if you had read the books, prequels/sequels, you would know the greater seat too his anguish. It would have instigated curiosity for people to know more...just sayin'. The atomics were not atomics, just some tomahawk missiles with a heavy payload. The movie does touch on the epigenetics of creation, which is always refreshing, however, then it has to go and do stupid to void the realization. However, maybe that is just pointing out how stupid humans have become in the lust for greed/gluttony/power/relevancy nonsense. The pacing was off, the jumble of events to bring a human "feel" and then in the next scene akin to the second playmate scene in Apocalypse Now Redux version. /Misanthropy /Newton's third law, I guess A visual treat, loud dramatic music, if you have read the original Dune only once, enjoy the movie. If you have read all 20+ books, prequels/sequels 6x each, take it with a grain of salt, they tried. Christopher Walken was the wrong choice for emperor. David Bautiste needs more acting lessons. More Baron Harkonnen dialogue as to just how devious/genius he is/was. Agreed, the "atomics" scene run up was unnecessarily long. Bringing in Lady Fenring for Book 1...another set up for HBO. *SPOILER* Paul/Leto II/Miles Teg are not the Qwizats Haderach. That goes to Duncan Idaho. Read the books!

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Wonder if Momoa coached him on it. He brought out some Khal Drogo out of him. It was great!

@@drewmorrison The language sounded very similar to the dothraki one. Not an expert or anything, I just kept thinking that in the cinema.

wanted to fight for him after that scene lol 😂

It reminded me of the pivotal moments of Anakin decending into Vader/the darkside. But truly awesome all the same.

It was a mistake to completely remove Thufir Hawat from the narrative. It can be inferred that Hawat subtly steered Harkonnen strategy in less-than-perfect directions, allowing the Fremen to capitalize on small vulnerabilities.

Having never read the books and only just watched the film little bits of info like this help a brother out when trying to make sense of stuff 😂

The absence of Thufir Hawat and Alia Atreides was quite noticeable to folks who have read the novels. Alia was 4 years old when Paul defeated the Emperor, and it was actually her who killed Baron Harkonnen with a gom jabbar, scared 7 colors of shite out of Gaius Helen by invading her mind, then she ran off and started knifing wounded saudakar on the battlefield until someone rounded her up and brought her to Paul. People were afraid of Paul, but were absolutely terrified of Alia's little sociopathic ass. She was born a Reverend Mother due to Jessica drinking the Water of Life while pregnant, which turned Alia into a complete monster. I hope they focus more on her sadistic personality in the next film, because she has an absolutely critical role in the remaining arc.

Yes and how it crippled the baron I was wondering how they got rid of him so easily until I remembered that

Loved that scene where Paul says he ISN'T the messiah, and Stilgar tells his men "Only the true messiah would be so humble to deny he's the messiah". Was a "Life Of Brian" moment, and perfect portrayal of what its like arguing with a convinced theist !

​@@colin2utubeit sucks

@@colin2utube I take it you haven't read the novels?

@@StudleyDuderight Just the first, but Javier Bardem played that line perfectly :)

@@colin2utube I stupidly assumed you would intuitively understand I was calling out your comparison between Dune and Life of Brian. Brian is not a messiah, Paul is. Stilgar knows it to be true, even when Paul doubts himself. Even the reader/viewer knows Paul is going to become the Kwisatz Haderach(one who sees both past and future at the same time). I also did not appreciate that theist remark. You're entitled to your opinion, but you don't have to be so condescending about it.

much of the time good books get rejected because the publisher doesn't have space for it.

It was rejected for being one of the most turgid stories ever set to print. A tiny handful of extreme fanbois love it. Most people who start never finish it. And for good reason.

​@@peterg9729 must be the reason it's one of the most famous sci-fi novels ever written with multiple sequels and been adapted into 3 movies and several iconic computer games.

@@peterg9729ah yes. That’s why it’s so popular and well know, with several screen adaptations, because only a handful of people have actually read it. Good one

Amen

Good points !

Thanks for clarifying 👍

Your comment and another explaining why the Harkonnen's was inept needs to be pinned or give hundreds of likes. So many people didn't understand which just blow my mind.

Their mentat is dead as well.

​@@jamesleon4883 I think Thufir became their new mentat... Shame he was cut from the film.

I understood that reference 🤣

Luggage owners fear the budget Matt Damon

I would love to see extended cuts for all two/three movies at some point, just like LotR. Although I haven't really gotten the sense from Villeneuve that he considers this. It seems to me that the theatrical cuts are how he intends them. But here's hoping. They obviously must have written and filmed a lot more stuff. Things always get cut so who knows.

I felt the movie was lacking like 1/3 of what it needed to say. I was slightly disappointed to be honest.

Unfortunately Denis does not believe in Director's Cuts. We will most likely never see any more footage. Too bad because they filmed Count Fenring scenes and cut them to keep the focus on the Bene Gesserit

​@@nurplepain3636great, so we waited forty years just to have another Alan Smithee job, only this time the director was in on it. Oh well ... Talk to me in another forty years when the deleted scenes finally get released and Spicediver's Son Awakens from his Sleep.

Deleted scenes can’t fix this, too much has changed they would have to replace most of the movie

He still did though

He does it on every review normally when it's just came out and on his drinker recommends videos.

Dune is one of the most popular sci-fi books, if not THE most popular. So a lot of people probably know the plot.

Because there is nothing to spoil. Paul says four words and then we get several minutes of dolly shots of sand blowing around. Then there is a fremen or two shouting Lisan al Gaib and again silent long dolly shots of sand blowing around. Then we get 45 sec of some Walken and the movie ends with dolly shots of sand blowing in the wind. The end... So there isn't much to spoil.

@@shoafdude True. (It was a good movie.)

That was nice to read. Hope he goes with you to the theater.

I mean...you BETTER ask your grandpa if he wants to go if he's such a big fan.

Part 2 is even better

@@benhmn Yeah, I’ll for sure ask him, but he’s a big fan of movies being on streaming services so he doesn’t have to get out and fight the crowds in theatres. I like experiencing a movie in a theatre but I don’t think he does. He prefers to just let them come out on a streaming service and watch them at home in his recliner lol. He’s a truck driver and he drives like 700 miles everyday, so whenever he’s at home he doesn’t like to get out unless he has to.

@@docproc144 Oh ok. I see what he's saying, but you need to trust me on this one. Ask him to make an exception for this movie. This is the best theater experience ever created. He deserves to see a novel he loves on IMAX.

Specifically they lose their Mentat. In a universe where computing machinery of any sort is punishable by unrelenting jihad, human beings must be specially trained up to fill that role. When the Harkonens lose theirs, they are at a distinct disadvantage.

Yes. Such an important detail they failed to show in the first film. Hopefully, they rectify it in the second.

@@gunkulator1 they can get a copy of Piter from the Tleilax, right?

No, just no. That's how it worked in the David Lynch movie, because that movie portrayed the baron as a mewling idiot barely above his nephew Rabban in IQ. The actual Baron Vladimir Harkonnen of the novel was an EXTREMELY intelligent man who was intent on sneaking up on the throne little by little before basically buying it with profits from spice mining on Arrakis. That's not to say that Pieter's death wasn't a loss, but he was hopelessly addicted to a drug and thus compromised already as a mentat, much as Yueh was as a doctor. The Baron hoped to replace Pieter with the captive Thufir Hawat - but Thufir just spent his time turning Feyd against his uncle instead.

I always found that part of the story implausible. Each and every of the great houses should easily have been able to employ multiple mentats. Especially the Harkonens as they were filthy rich from mining Arakkis for 80 years. Yes I know mentats are supposed to be rare in the Dune universe, but they appear plentiful at court and employed by the many rich. Surely the baron could afford to force two or three to work for him.

All men are corruptible.

Can't be proven one way or the other. Was it a good person ruined by the temptation? Or were they only pretending to be a good person until they got the power? Without infallible mind-reading powers, there's no way to tell.

Yes!!! This!!!

@@dawnfire82 Power doesn't corrupt. It enables. If you fall to it then you're weak

Weakness corrupts

Something they did better in Lynch‘s version.

Not even just the bickering being funny, it was actively conveying information.

What was odd was is that they don't explain how he moved the atomics without notice in such a short time. Granted, it's how the shield wall was initially broken in earlier Dune adaptation versions, as well.

@@Tman001100 he didnt move the atomics. They launched them from where they found them.

as I recall, the sequence went like this: -Gurney says “I know where the atomics are.” -Paul explains the arsenal to Chani in their tent. -they observe the cave from afar and make some jokes. -they go into the cave and open the vault… how it could’ve gone, to quicken the pace without losing any information or tone: -Gurney says he knows where the atomics are at. -cut to funny binoculars scene. -Gurney and/or Paul explain the nukes to the others as they enter the cave and vault, ending with some pensive looks on Paul and Chani’s faces.

@@xenn4985 I meant with how they got there in the first place with Duke Leto, not after Gurney n Paul found them

Same. I watched it with Isense at Odeon. Everything was shaking

​@jackanarchycr7826 Same here, was sitting right at the back and the speakers where right behind us lol.

Ours too. It was awesome! Really added to the atmosphere.

Last time I had that was when Sauron was destroyed in Lord of the Rings. The reverb shook seats.

Same with atmos! Damm it was awesome!!

The spice diver fan edit on youtube of the Lynch film is more impressive than this new Dune. The depiction of Chani is so cringe in the two new films by DV. At least we have the classic Lynch version, a true masterpiece that Frank Herbert loved.

Yeah that spice diver is good. The extended edition of 84 Dune is good too. Covers a lot more. Supposedly Patrick Stewart owns the complete film at around 5 hours long. I'm sure it jumps all over with cutting room pieces and isn't edited, if it exists at all and isn't just rumor.

There is no chance we don’t get Messiah.

2049 was absolute garbage, from the illogical and idiotic premise to the bland and depresion inducing color scheme and scenery

@@davisor7116 nice bait

@@Smallfrye It's an opinion mate

They are setting up for Dune Messiah the sequel book to Dune. Yet, they will market as Part 3, when in fact it is a totally different book and not one that will make a great movie. It will bomb at the box office. They had this in mind from the beginning. They want to tear down a strong white male, and keep the strong female character thing going. Dune part 2 was a pretty film that was mostly cringe with Chani leading the way to cringeland. Bladerunner 2049 was a plotless hot mess of a film that attempted to capture the visuals and sounds of the first film, but forgot Harrison is the star lead character and it had no real interesting story progression or reason to watch it. It felt like a bad episode of a poorly done daytime soap opera in a nice cinematic wrapper. Face it, hollyweird can't make a good movie. Godzilla Minus One was the best film of in years, and not out of Hollyweird!

your joking .. they most definitely DONT follow the books

​@@silversrayleigh8980 well 100 percent following the book is unrealistic, somethings that might work in a book will not work in a movie adaptation. Don't take it for granted it's the best they could've done with dune

@@angryvaultguy But is at least 20 percent too much to ask!?

@@silversrayleigh8980 They don't follow the games either. Would've been awesome to see my favourite Ordos with their special unit Deviator. That's fine though I love the movies.

I grew up with the books since 13 and this delivered

that's the one son. the baron rages at him when he tries to peddle that crap

Lame movies with very bad construction

Yeah the Harkonen believe that they have already won, the Atredies are defeated, they could never expect some 15 year old kid and his mom on 400 meter long worm to come nuke them.

Sounds like parallels to our own time and place.

@@vezolf4313 lame attempt at trolling with zero IQ construction.

Well done you're the millionth person to make this lame comment

@@TurboMintyFresh It's truly an honor.

It's also weird to see them frame Paul's marriage to the Emperor's Daughter (Princess Irulan) as a betrayal, when in the books, this is clearly done for political purposes and to prevent the holy wars from occurring - and Paul remains faithful to Chani. This adaptation changes a lot, and I still like it, but its definitely not very faithful to the characters or original book.

Yes I didn’t care for Chani mich.

Chani's role was butchered imo. Denis made her defy Paul to make it obvious to the watchers that Paul is the bad guy but that assassinates her actual character in the book of supporting Paul till the end. Not to mention, I don't feel the chemistry either. She does have this snobby look on her all the time.

She tends to have a sanctimonious holier than thou look most of the time. 😂

Even this movie felt obliged to insert an angry boss girl

I'm hoping we get to _God-Emperor of Dune_ so then we can actually have a film adaptation of _God-Emperor of Dune_

If the box office is good, perhaps

@@judgeboony2695 Yeah, Leto II ends up basically becoming the Messiah that Paul failed to be and transcends his humanity. I find the concept of the Golden Path intriguing, like I wonder if we could ever have sophisticated enough AI to predict the future and find the one path that will lead to mankind's assured survival in the long run. A definite first step would be establishing an interstellar empire, so all our eggs aren't in one basket, er, planet.

No we are good. That money can be used to help house people

They are - when they green lit part 2 Messiah was also green lit.

There's so much they cut from the book, I honestly wish this adaptation was a tetralogy (including Messiah as the fourth movie). There is more than enough content in the book for it.

yeah, thats it. They are good with violence and manipulation of noble houses. But they are no tacticians.

The Baron Vladimir Harkonnen is, he is a super genius. What was left out that in the book he intentionally throw Rabban under the rug, because he was horny for Feyd and wanted him to take over Arrakis as a hero after Rabban ruined everything. He underestimated the number of the fremen and he tought Paul is dead, but those were understandable mistakes there. But his character is very hard to tell faithfully - this was still the best adaptation so far - because his genius shows in nuance. Like that Leto had to use the poison tooth because unless he talks with a dying a men in the height of his perceived achievements the Baron would haver never approach anyone of possible danger to him carelessly.

In terms of overall combat rankings from what I've taken from the book it goes best to worst: Atriedes/BG trained fedaykin .1 Sarduakar .2 Untrained fedaykin .2.5 Atriedes .3(somewhat equal to current SK but not the old SK) Harkonnen .4

​@@bilbobagend8155yeah they scaled back the mentats too much, human computers tweaking on an alien drug that mutates them, they mirror the spice use and the transforming power of it

Why do you think it was unfaithful?

@@loganscott814 Because it got most of the story wrong.

@@loganscott814 Many important parts of the story was changed in ways that effect what is coming further down the line. And considering how long both movies were, I doubt it was only a case of "When you adapt things to the screen you have to cut some things out!". Besides, the things that bother me weren't matters of compression, it was things there was no particular reason to change. Or things that fundamentally change what a character is about, or re-frame actions to make some characters look better or worse. Those things, were specifically done because it was something Denis wanted to do for reasons I'm not even going to speculate on. The reason I'm being a bit cryptic is because I'm trying to talk around spoilers here for people who haven't read the books or seen the movie yet. But I'm sure book fans. And even Syfy Miniseries fans, know what I'm getting at. There's a pretty important event in the books/miniseries that is a big part of what drives Paul to fully embrace his "terrible purpose". That reason is changed. It involves a small time-skip. And the movies have countless little niggles like that, popular quotes, phrases, scenes and sometimes entire characters that are excised. (Count Fenring comes to mind.) Perhaps I would have loved it if I had never known what Dune was prior to seeing the movie. But all it did was make me want to re-watch the miniseries, despite its abysmal effects. I have finally become boomer. Destroyer of enjoyment.

I only started to read the books, but even I got the impression the books probably told a better story than the movie. There's only so much you can fit into three hours after all. Still the movie itself was incredible as an IMAX experience and I'm looking forward to diving into the books and experience Dune as it was meant originally.

@@mrgalaxy396 i disagree, i think denis delivers the authors intentions more clearly than in the book, as the whole reason of Dune Messiah was to make amends for the unclear message and themes of the first book.

Watch Arrival (2016).

He is overrated all his movies are soulless and boring.

@@Lonovavirthat was really bad

I am the exact opposite. I think he makes movies for stupid simpletons with no education who don't understand CINEMATIC ART. He makes whatever the current market trends seem to want that helps him make money for the producers but movies that are, when compare to the great masters, nothing but long-form Chanel commercials that are not very good in the context of what we know to be great CINEMA, in the veins of Kurosawa, David Lean, Lucas, Spielberg, Fincher, Scott etc. Blade Runner 2049 and Arrival were absolute garbage. There's a reason why Den Evil Nerf and Scott has never sat down face to face to discuss the differences and why Scott wasn't really interested in doing a sequel, because the industry and the producers didn't want to face that backlash and embarrassment that Den Evil Nerf is not really good at his job and has no intelligence behind any of his films.

​@@PresidentKamalaHarris.You're so desperate for attention lol.

The mentats are the closest things to Paul's own prescient vision. His is organic, theirs is deductive. They can all but see future events.

Also, the Harkonnens are fighting an enemy who can literally see the future.

​@@jamessweet5341Paul had been trained as a mentat from birth. He had the analyzing skills of a mentat, the intuition and influential skills of a Bene Gesserit and he could see the future. Pauls only problem is how to not reach a future where his jihad burns down the galaxy, he beat the Harkonnens and got the throne easily in every future he could see.

@@gergelykollar7833 He had the mentat training of course, but his prescience was not unleashed until he drank the spice essence. The Sleeper awoke.

I wonder if they would have been able to destroy House Atreides without the Emperor's Sarrdukar? If so, then it would have been a phyrric victory at best.

The super cut lynch version on KZhead here is actually super good

Long duels are boring as they are so overdone. It didn't need to last a second longer. I do agree that the battle could have lasted longer to show more tactical depth - they clearly had a plan, supposedly a cunning one, but in the end it seemed just like a brainless frontal assault with nukes and worms.

if you haven't then I recommend reading the next book / 3rd movie to be "Dune Messiah".....The interstellar jihad in Paul's name kills like 65 billion people. Dune Messiah will highlight Herbert's quote "Charismatic leaders should come with warning labels. May be dangerous for your health"

Messiah is going to veer off course big time. Dune part 2 was already sliding off the rails from the start.

@@Tom-sd9jb nonsense

It was a great film - don't get me wrong, but it's made quite a big departure from the book(s) which left me disappointed and worried about the direction Messiah will be taken. This is coming from someone who thinks they shouldn't try to adapt it as a film (and who isn't overly impressed with Peter Jackson's LOTR).

I can kind of see where you’re coming from. I was quite surprised to see that lady Jessica was the one advocating for Paul to take up his religious mantle in the film, which is something that she was extremely cautious about in the book. She was even cautious about his relationship with chani at the moment. I loved the movie but this and other small details such as the religious divide between the ‘people of the north and people of the south’ I just couldn’t really see in the first book. I completely understand that it was used as a tool to convey the plot, but still. I think the first movie was more faithful to the book.

Unfortunately I think those delays were used to change the story of Chani and Paul's relationship. From what was in the book, to what we see now. And if you haven't read the books, it's almost exactly like the story of Neo and Trinity in the original Matrix. I noticed things started to get funky towards the end. Feels like 30 minutes of story was edited out. And a few minutes of Chani reshoots were spliced in. And it seems like they did that to go very heavy handed on the foreshadowing for the next book Dune: Messiah. So the tone of the second half of the movie feels like we're already there. Spoiling the big twist of that book. As exciting as it was, they demolished book Chani to do it. But don't worry about it if you haven't read them. The movie is undeniably epic.

The first part was so shit, went woke and ethnicity/gender swapped a character and increased their presence for no reason, kept them alive when they should have died, increased zendaya's character from what it should have been, bad pacing, bad writing. The TV series and earlier film were just superior to this. I'm not sure what the hard on is for this film, but it's just not a good fucking film

@@TheNightman. Are you really that upset about Liet-Kynes or are you just hating for hating's sake? Because the first movie was a really good watch so much that they could've swapped a few more characters and it wouldn't have mattered.

​@@carpeimodiem I very much agree about the peculiar changes about Chani. Like I said in my own comment, the only major questionning of mine about the adaptation is about the relationship and its consequences in the ending. I suspect some part of their kinship (especially at the biginning in the book) would have brough bullshit media outrage given the times so they opted for this change. It's not really bad by any means, simply questionable. Anyway, what a Banger !

@@TheNightman. I'm not happy with Liet changes, but dude Lynch casted Max von Sydow and utterly wasted him, he basically had one scene + cameo when Harkonnens cut his stillsuit.

The best part was that the IMAX sounds are so good and clear that they didn't have to defean you with excessive volume.

SAME

Same

Ditto

It was worth going to theater for. I watched like 20 minutes pirated and literally got up and went to the theater to watch it. Worth it. There are some slow points but that's because I'm not used to character building anymore

Should've gone to see Godzilla minus one, that movie is a treasure

Thank you to you TMDSIS, That makes two loyal followers drinker…..! I got a believe there’s more of us🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Jeremy Jahns is good too.

Like Chris Stuckmann. His reviews are really bland and hollow lately.

Genuinely Drinker.

That Drinker is a great fella.

@nerdrotic put it well: (paraphrase) despite the flaws in Dune 2, it comes across as a masterpiece because H'wood norm output has been so pitiful & disappointing for so long.

Hey, hey, hey, which Star Wars

It’s sad that it’s this movie though. The amount of lore changes is almost up there with rings of power… that didn’t have the source material to work with. Yes the writing is better but still a major letdown when compared to the source material they were aloud to use.

You said it…

@@scott8448dude you are nitpicking here. Adjustments have to be made to make it work on the big screen and be commercially viable.

I too became a Denis Villeneuve

Watch Prisoners.

now I am become Villeneuve

He isn’t just on the rise anymore. Hasn’t been for a while. Also side note: Incendies, Prisoners, and Enemy are all great movies directed by him. Prisoners is one of my all time favorites

​@@kiq4767the destroyer of shitty bloated films

Drinker is absolutely wrong about being an accurate depiction of the source material. Major theme, character motivations, plots, and critical story moments are changed. The sandworm express part is from the book though, so you can blame Frank Herbert for that if you thought it was cheesy (I thought it was epic though). Despite it being an unfaithful adaptation, I still think the movie did a great job and is a beautiful piece of cinema, but I have to acknowledge its far from perfect. Some of the changes made in the film were for the better, others I don't like. I have very mixed feelings about it, given my love for the original book.

Exactly my thoughts. I still don‘t get why so many critics gloss over these not so minor screenplay issues. Dune pt 2 is still a good movie (visually an outstanding movie) but its screenplay is pretty average.

I found myself disconnected from the characters. It was like watching people talk about stuff they believe in but from a far distance were I don't really connect with them or care about what they are they are talking about.

@@futuza Implying The Critical Drinker actually reads anything. The guy basically acts as a barometer and regurgitates what others have stated. Critical Drinker hasn't had an original thought in years, which he proved way back with his 'Witcher' reviews, in which he clearly demonstrates that he's never even bothered to read a single short story and likely didn't play the first two games, or even finish the third.

I didn't get a warning.

@@mat2000100neither

@@mat2000100 same... but judging by my searches history... youtube is to safe 🤣🤣🤣

What warning? Like "This channel is Pr0bLeMat!C" warning, or "we will delete your account if you watch stuff like this"?

@@mousemetal1679I got it too, it just said that some might find the content disturbing

The Harkonnens vastly underestimated their numbers from what I recall.

"my beautiful feyd"

it was a pity they did not introduce Feyd from very beginning, like in books he is there from Chapter 2, listening to Baron's plan, fashioned to become his successor.

​@@szymonlechdziecioltrue, but he doesn't show up again until the end of book 2 which is presumably where part 2 picks up. It's good to introduce the new villain at the beginning

I'm not certain that calling Raban just a brute is fair. We don't see him much in action, and what we know about him is mostly Baron's thoughts. Raban warned his uncle, but Vladimir ignored him, considering him too stupid to have a valuable opinion. Ironically, in this regard, at least, Raban proved to be smarter than his uncle.

I second that.

Those Dune books are considered absolute tripe filler by the vast majority of even casual readers, nevermind long term Dune fans. Kevin J. Anderson is a hack fraud and has been milking Dune for decades with Brian. While the Sci-Fi TV station's miniseries had the visual effects budget of a 90's video game, each character was adapted to screen far more faithfully than in DV's version. Baron Harkonnen gets more than 12 lines, for instance.

"Am I alive?!" Yeah, that mf'er was as crazy as he was gross.

Totally memorable.

Jose Ferrer? Or does Christopher Walken say that?

@@PHDiaz-vv7yo Jose Ferrer

Bring in that rambling drunk man, the Drinker

The movie seemed kinda average to me, except for the plot. That was horrible

I'll wait until the full story is available probably 10 years from now. Not interested in watching Parts of any movie. Release the full thing within 2 years not 10

​@@ahhmm5381a lot of bots with Dune. Just have to look at how many "fans" there are vs the box office

​@@ahhmm5381First movie maade $400mm on a $165 million budget before marketing so it lost a lot of money. They need this new one (like the last) to make $600 million to break even. Yea right

​@chiquita683 marketing ratio is 1 -1.5/2unless you're Disney, then it's 1-3 or even 1-4. So the movie made at worst 50 million profit.

mahdi isnt the messiah tho, he is just the chosen muslim leader to fight dijjal till the real messiah comes , Idk why they uses mahdi int he same ense ans messiah its not the same

or why the artillery was never used before to quickly take out the Fremen base (until the news Arkonnen ruler arrives) or how they can load 50 ppl on the sandworms without problem or why riffle and bombing and laser are not used more often (I know it it because of the shields) but there was so many way to play around it. Truth is the book didnt depict a lot of action / battle going on, so reader had to use use their imagination. As it is a book, it worked very well. But here, it is a movie, so you need to show them, you need to make "sense" and Villeneuve didnt succeed in this mission, according to me.

@@indyzagaabsolutely correct

You just push the get off signal carefully

@@indyzagaJust conjecture but I think that Arrakis with its many sandstorms makes it impossible to perform any long term strikes accurately. That's why even at the end with the atomics, it's launched from basically walking distance

@@Kyfow the worm have effect on long strike ? I didnt know this ... Also, i dont think any atomic were fired during the movie. I can be wrong but to me the "missile'' used to destroy the stone barrier are not atomic

Breen?

​@@billybatts8283Who

and Tom Cruise

Tarantino?

@@billybatts8283 Who?

And especially because it’s Rabban in charge. I think there should’ve been more on the Harkonnens though. More showing how Vladimir was throwing Rabban under the bus and grooming Feyd-Rautha to be the successor.

I also feel like having skipped over the arc of Thufir Hawat defecting to the Harkonnens and all the internal power struggle and subterfuge between Feyd and The Baron leaves us missing a lot of the context that motivates their actions. The encounter in the slave pit seems unnecessarily odd and silly without us as the audience knowing that the Baron and Feyd are playing Hawat against each other and that the slave not being drugged was a plot within a plot.

@@lachlanmarshall39 good point.

@@lachlanmarshall39 Also missing is Thufir's plot to train the Fremen to attack the Emperor. As the Baron notes, Thufir holds the Harkonnens in complete contempt, believing he can defeat them anytime. Instead he focuses on the bigger target, the Imperium. The Baron encourages this and thus manipulates Thufir's revenge to an instrument of Harkonnen power. It's excellent writing on Frank Herbert's part.

@@lachlanmarshall39to be honest I think Dune is just one of those series that’s so long and detailed that you either have to develop it as a tv series or cut away bits and accept you are going to lose some nuance and scenes like with ASOIAF, WOT and LOTR. And while I would have liked the scenes you just listed i still think it was a great movie. Plus can we honestly say that the majority of movie goers consuming Marvel and Disney slop would miss them?

We must move with the flow of the drink.

You guys sound like a cult. It's just movies.

@@mania4270 and you wear a paper bag over your head when leaving your home so as not to frighten the children.

The drink...MUST flow

@@mania4270Relax it's a joke.

And neither was in the actual fucking book. I can sort of forgive it in this case because it seems like Denis Villeneuve intends to do a third film and some like Chris Gore have speculated he will be also adding in Children of Dune stuff into the third film, which means some Dune Messiah stuff is getting pushed more into the second movie.

I wouldn‘t go as far as „bare minimum“ but I am surprised that everybody is raving about the moive. Yes, the visuals are great and Villeneuve sure knowshow to stage and shoot action sequences but the screenplay is just okay at best.

And also her not becoming Paul's mistress in the end is also a change, obviously dictated by modern sensitivities.

I'm conflicted about the change, because it does feel pretty different from the books. Yet, at the same time, I had a profound sense of sadness for her because of the betrayal/ill-fated rise that ended up being one of the lasting impressions of the film for me. The change feels like it does their relationship pretty dirty, even if it is consistent with the tone and overall theme. I dunno.

Harkonnens are smart, they just overestimate themselves consistently and underestimate the people around them. They’re arrogant. I remember in the book, them laughing not really knowing how many fremen exist, but saying it wouldn’t really matter anyway….. big mistake. And they, didn’t know how much control the fremen had of the worms.

@@Crispybacon163 A possible explanation, yes 😅

Brilliant, but sadistic. And if your sadistic, you'll do some stupid things to feed that addiction.

That’s what I love about the books. They can still manage to make you think. Especially upon repeated readings.

Vladimirs and their 4D chess being defeated by ragtag bands of fighters who just say "no" to an invasion of their territory is somewhat of a trope at the moment.

It was dull and yawn inducing.

@@BwarockYou have the attention span of this latest generation, congratulations. Films like Gladiator and Master and Commander would probably kill you with boredom, shame.

@@Bwarock Let me guess, you watch tiktok or reels everyday right? No wonder you can't focus for more than 5 seconds.

I wanted more, despite the length. Stunning experience

Dune 1 made me fall asleep it was so slow and ponderous. No clever exposition, just blasts of bass and shampoo commercial visuals to convey "depth" and "feeling". Villeneuve has no idea how to convey character or tell a story, only show big landcapes.

Same. The book clearly states that using nuclear bombs is forbidden and lists reasons why (I don't remember why South was unhabitable, sorry). Too many interesting things about Diune (how Fremen got there, their ecological plan, manats, water on the planet) were removed from movies. Not to mention a complete butchering of characters such as Chiani (who behaves as if she didn't grow up in the society and doesn't know any norms), Stilgard or Jessica. The scene with the "water of life" and prophecy about Chiani's name... it was all added by the scriptwriters (which is why it's such a shit). I think people praise this movie way too much simply because, as you wrote, it doesn't have too much of The Message.

The movie was incredible. Visually stunning and so much care with the story. Villanueva is a master

It felt just like Top Gun: Maverick.

It was visually stunning but he changed waaaay to much. I was disappointed.

I never read the books but if you're disappointed with this movie then there's no hope for you@@Tom-sd9jb

@@Tom-sd9jb cool story bro no one gives a shit though learn to enjoy things in life instead of defaulting to finding anything possible to be disappointed about

As has already been mentioned by another commenter, the Baron intended for the administration of Arrakis to be inept and brutal. Rabban was set up to fail specifically so the more talented Feyd could come in later and shine by comparison.

@@dawnfire82 The idea was to oppress the populace *and* refill Harkonnen coffers. Rabban only managed one of the two.

The Baron had no idea how many Fremen there were. He only got an inkling from his new, temporary "twisted mentat," Thufir Hawat, after Duke Leto was dead. Hawat figured it out from the Baron's recounting of a conversation with Count Hasimir Fenring, who worked for the Emperor. "Witch's blood!" was what Hawat said, as I recall. The Baron innocently talked about how he might use DUNE as a training planet for his own troops, following the Sardaukar's use of Salusa Secundus, a similarly hellish place, where only the best survived. The Emperor already understood the threat from the Fremen of Arrakis, whose entire lifestyle was basically better than Sardaukar training! But I don't think the Baron ever really figured out how many Fremen there were until the very end. Hawat, never dreaming that Muad'dib was Paul, took all that information and basically made the Baron's plan for Feyd (Fade, not Fay-yed, imo) even better. The Sardaukar were the MUSCLE, not the precision. It was the Baron who paid for them to come to Arrakis. The cost was monumental. Anyway, I don't think the Emperor knew how strong or how numerous the Fremen were. To me that's a bit of a plot hole, because the Bene Gesserit must have known. They were all up in the Fremen's business, and had even engineered their religion, centuries before. It just seems a bit unlikely that they would've withheld that bit of information from the Emperor, when Mohiam was basically working for him. It never made sense to me that Mohiam would be so pissed-off at Jessica and at the predicament they were in, after Paul used the family atomics to destroy the Shield Wall protecting Arrakeen. The Emperor had no idea what he was up against, even though he knew enough not to want the Baron to make DUNE a prison planet, like Salusa Secundus.

@@harrymills2770I think the Bene Gesserit were manipulating the situation to give themselves more power by influence over a new emperor and Mohiam basically outsmarted herself.

But in the first movie they tried showing the harkonens as the precise ones with them planning the invasion (kidnapping doctors wife) and also having spies that infiltrated the Leto residence. Now they’re useless fuckwits apart from fade

This is very true. I had the same issue with across the spiderverse

Yeah... like Apple ruined the Foundation trilogy.

Yeah. It's honestly confusing how Dune is as good as a book and movie it is, given the one sentence Cliff's Notes of the series is, "Humanity is saved by a combination of Eugenics, drug overdoses, and religious zealotry... or is it?"

What was life like in your time gramps? 😂

@@trteeerryfse-wy2ww I'm going too senile to remember everything... but before I get into gory details, do you have your parent's permission to be on KZhead, young'un? I wouldn't want to say anything inappropriate for young ears.

@@trteeerryfse-wy2ww Hundred times better than it is now.

We just watched it today and that ending hit hard. I was stunned and blown away and it really stuck with me. That is indeed what cinema should feel like. BTW first cinema visit in 6 or 7 years (Last Jedi was my last...)

@@erynja7085 yeah it was amazing! Paul unleashes the jihad which kills sixty-one billion people across the known universe.

Absolutely agree. Stunning visuals that drove the story instead of being a mere device for filling gaps in the narrative. As a bonus, the sandworm riding was every bit as epic as I imagined it when reading the books.

@@lollorosso4675 I couldn´t imagine it would be possible to film scenes of people riding giant sand sea cucumbers without falling into accidental parody. They managed to make it look EPIC as f***!

I was in IMAX yesterday. After movie ended 75% of people stayed in their seats during cedit roll trying to grasp the ending and the entire experience. I am not making this up@@erynja7085

Some of the points you mentioned soured my experience as well. Also, sometimes the characters‘ motivations were not clearly defined to the point I was wondering why f.e. Paul was suddenly so eager to drinkt the worm juice.

I think that's the point. Paul is unstoppable. He's a mentat, kh, trained in every martial art. The only thing he can't stop is the [eh...war].

that's cool but I wish they'd show it. like, what did he do that any other fremen couldnt do? I get that it's about religious dogma but I mean what happened to all the visions he had in the first movie? They didn't show me why he should be their leader and what gives them such faith in him other than "it was written". he didn't voice anyone til the last 10 minutes. it didn't look to me like HE is unstoppable, it looked like the harkkenans were incompetent and the saurdakarr were all bark and no bite. Rabban got smoked in 2 seconds flat. Paul never really had to overcome anything. i mean at least make me believe for a second that feyd ratha is some kinda threat to him. for crying out loud can he sweat a little bit in this "uninhabitable" desert? Dune 1 was LEAGUES better. @@loganscott814

I thought his successful attacks against the Harkonnens and the scene where he brings everyone into line shows why he's in charge.

I understand that was the intent of the attacks, but I didn't see him do anything crazy. Like why couldn't stilgar have done that? and yea the scene at the end was dope as fuck once he decided to embrace the Mahdi role that was one of my favorite scenes.@@loganscott814

Don‘t worry, you are not the only one if that is any consolation. Good movie, with outstanding visuals but the screenplay is just okay.

the movie had to cut a lot yes but is impossible to adapt it faithfully without making it a documentary. just like LoTR cut out a lot and is still the best fantasy movies ever made to many millions. i love dune books but they simply cant be adapted in any way that is not a literal documentary. if you think this is hard dune 4 is by far the most impossible with most of the book being the emperor inner thoughts. if that movie is ever made it will need to cut half the book to even have something resembling a pace. next movie will already be a challenge since books 1,3,5 are the ones to have all the action and 2,4,6 being much more slow and retrospective. so book 2 will be hard to keep entertaining in movie format for non book readers.

I saw the Harkonen society as being ruled by fear and power. Atradies and Freeman more based on love and society. They were smart using the guiding principles of their society imo.

@@michaelmcfadden396 Atreides were kept by love and society, but Fremens are not. While there were a strong bonds of unity and brotherhood within fremen society, the main thing that molded them was a brutal, survivalist, darvinian culture that was forced by living under extreme climate conditions and deadly circumstances. Oh, and also xenophobia and resintement. The Fremen became one of the most genocidal group inside the Dune universe. So no, love was not their defining trait.

@@secondaryfront okay maybe not. I'm not as well versed on the books having just read Dune once.

Yeah knowing a bit from the series, the Harkonnens were arrogant and ruthless and that was their way more than tact. They were disgusting and willing to do whatever they could to advance. They were always willing to break the rules and that's what often won it for them. That's why i liked Paul saying they had to behave more Harkonnen.

@@michaelmcfadden396Yeah in the later book Paul committed mass genocide of 60 billion people due to Fremen uncontrollable fanaticism, and Paul hated himself for it.

Read this in Trump's voice, got me a good laugh.

​@@PresidentKamalaHarris.Drone

There is woke pandering they race or gender swapped 1/4 of the cast

You know movies have been woke and pandering since the beginning pretty much it’s not new

You telling me DEI Chani isnt woke? LOL

Okay

Yep, really hoping they do Dune Messiah and Children of Dune so she'll get a major part.

Honestly I was disappointed when they showed her. Taylor-Joy is over-saturating Hollywood right now for me. Between The Northman, The Menu, the last season of Peaky Blinders all in the last two years _and_ seeing a trailer for Furiosa: A Mad Max Saga right before Dune 2, I’m burnt out on the girl. Yes, she fits the role given her “alien” features and can probably execute the role well. The thing is an actor can be so extremely recognizable that their very presence can become distracting. When I saw her I wasn’t thinking, “that’s Alia”, I was thinking, “oh it’s Anya Taylor-Joy again.” Also I don’t think she resembles Chalamet, Ferguson (Lady Jessica) or Oscar Issac at all. I would’ve gone with Rooney Mara instead. Subtle otherworldy appearance, capable actress and looks like she could actually be related to the rest of the cast. Same issue with Walken, he’s so well known that I can’t see the character past him. Great actor, love the guy, but as the Emperor? He did well by subduing his trademark delivery but I found him to be a solid “meh” as far as casting goes.

I don''t really know if that is a good argument. Stilgar turned into an easily manipulated religious fanatic. Gurney was perfectly fine lying and using an entire people just for personal revenge. And the Baron was a gullible idiot who got taken out by the Harkonnen . Who we see are ultimately not really that smart overall. I mean if seeing them look all stern all the time is what does it for you great. But I wouldn't really call any of them admirable figures.

I mean Paul's mentor figures all kinda died in the first movie, and like he says towards the end of the 2nd, "friends become followers"

@@gwell2118So if a character dies or has a personality flaw, they’re not good mentors figured? Is your dad perfect in every way? If not, do you disregard him as a mentor figure? Who DO you look up to in life? I guarantee they have more than a few skeletons in their closet, but if they make the choice day in and day out to be there for you, to impart some form of strength and knowledge to you… well, frankly that’s better than A LOT of the fatherless youth of today get. I can’t remember the last time father figures were so emphasized or revered (Duke Leto was respected by everyone). It’s a good thing.

@@ManSeekingMeaning Good point!

Did you know that Paul isn't a hero?

Villeneuve would never be a part of something like that. Trust is a rare commodity these days, and he's earned it. In spades.

The first one SUCKED>.. I dont expect much more than slow scenes and a few Josh Brolin moments where he demonstrates ' ACTING '

Alas dunno. If author decided to not channel his beliefs through any specific character why do it. Everything is wrong and terrible is perfectly fine story crafting tactics ;)

Thufir being gone from this movie was sad. Steven McKinley Henderson was superb in the role

@@joshuatran6526 yeah, got me excited. They handled Yueh quite well, wonder why they wrote so little for the baron, duke and thurfir. And Lets not get started with the least scary versión posible of sardaukar.

If that's the meeting I'm thinking of, then it was unfilmable. Seriously c'mon both these movies are very long and it requires good pacing. That scene had no place in the movie.

@@ionbing2884 Yet how many minutes of thopter spinning in the storm?

The entire Spacing Guild was omitted ...

Messiah leading a holy crusade, Spanish Inquisition, no one sees 'em coming. Would not be surprised to see Paul ride a worm not all gothic desert teamster-like, but resting in a comfy chair.

I shit you not, there is a Monty Python joke in the movie, actually...

Well the Kwisatz Haderach can literally prepare for all future actions, so no planning on the part of the Harkonens would stop Paul and his Holy War. The Golden Path had to be followed

I think the Harkonnen’s arrogance is what led to their downfall. They did not see that they were just puppets being used by the Emperor and witches. This being said, they also mightily underestimated the power of the fremen. In the first film, the Harkonnen estimates claimed there was 50,000 total fremen. Also they claimed the south was uninhabited. They didn’t think them an actual threat capable of causing their demise. Once they knew Paul wasn’t dead it was pretty much too late for them. It was their arrogance that caused their defeat

Not trying to spoil anything, but the Beast Raban clearly is effective at terrorizing populations but inadequate as a military commander. It logically made sense and made room for Feyd to step in who already out ranked Raban. Throughout the whole movie they show the Baron is basically crippled for life after Letos poison and isn’t capable of leading an army. Another thing is that they constantly bring up how the southern part of Arrakis is unsurvivable because of the rediculous storms which made sense. Like they can’t even harvest spice there so why fight for the territory, how do you monitor what’s not even on the surface if you have satellites?

You didn't like the movie?

@@jada9401 I didn't like it either. There was nothing in the books about Chani being a completely unlikeable b!tch. Too much important content was cut to make room for scenes that never happened.

@@jada9401 yea. Boring and stupid - fast forward 70%. Wtf Roman sword fights in future? why army did not use pistols? They are more effective in close combat. makes no sense. Invader army were brainless, freemens were smart and invincible. Just wondering - what are they eating in desert planet. according to 99% of people this is masterpiece. So i am the wrong one.

It was pushed back?

@@Impulset0 yeah from November I think

@@grendelvivathowd u like it. i loved it

@@PresidentKamalaHarris.who wants to watch a movie with a girl you might get cooties

​@@PresidentKamalaHarris.My wife is hyped for it as she loved the fist one. Hopefully going to see it on the coming weekend.

I thought Dune Part One was kinda boring. There were ALOT of talking and boring conversations. I kept falling asleep a few times, and the only time it pulled me back in was when the fighting started.

This Saturday, 6:30 showing for me. My first theater movie in a long time. Stoked!!!

Just came back and it's really good

While I agree, Hollywood will not care unless ESG is removed from that environment. Of course there's the financial interest, but being obedient to their masters seems of greater importance to them nowadays.

@@robadzso I fully agree with you.