Around November of 2021, Russian main battle tanks began to show up with odd cage add-on structures attached to their turrets. They were very reminiscent of slat armor, and though ramshackle in their construction, appeared to be too complex for just an umbrella frame. Some sources have claimed that these "cope cages" are designed to stop top attack munitions, especially the FGM-148 Javelin and NLAW anti-tank missiles. Even if that is their true purpose, which is extremely doubtful, they don't seem to be working all that well.
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Sorry there wasn't any real back-and-forth, we had to rerecord the audio so Thinky had pretty much worked out everything he wanted to say. If you guys like this interview-style video, let me know. It was definitely a nice change of pace to make.
This interview format is super interesting!! Don't feel like it's not fun if it's not organic conversation. One of my favorites of your videos are the GHPC dev interviews
Plz more like this, amazing amount of info. I guess ask questions like in a proper interview but you already touched on it so you know
Keep making this kind of videos. Its really informative and not to long or drawn out for me to get distracted or klik of in the middle as with most other interviews
Ivan's cope cages don't work.
It is a nice change of pace
From what I've heard the 'cope cage' was designed to protect against PG-7s, thrown anti-tank mines and things like suicide drones, which are a genuine threat and have apparently been encountered in Syria.
And more importantly,on Armenia.
The Russians are also encountering last gen NATO LAWs, that even modern day NATO is producing and distributing LAWs in Ukraine.
Are you sure you don't mean NLAWs, which are an exceptionally different beast
@@rustyshackleford3053 Denmark and Norway gave Ukraine M72 LAWs.
They aint coping in Ukraine , thats for damn sure
The "cope cage" doesn't work because stalinium is hard to come by on the field
Lmao. This made me laugh
The damage that r/NonCredibleDefense has caused is too muc, we need to be stopped sooner or later...
Facts !
Da
Stalinium is dissolved it self together with the soviet union.
Top-cage like this reminds me of the chicken coop cage that was used in WW1 to protect the tank from a grenade thrown by infantry which will make it roll out of the tank.
You mean 2 right
@@marcbhoy2811 it was created in WW1
@@marcbhoy2811 During WW1, The British MK IV onwards often featured an iron frame covered in wire mesh.This was to keep German bundled Stielhandgranate off the thin roof plate, as that one was of the few widely effective anti tank weapons they had at the time, before the widespread issue of the Tankgewehr.
Nah it was made to protects that one support on top of you with a wrench
@@badgermcbadger1968 *Battlefield 1 PTSDs*
The infamous cope cage
Oh God NCD is leaking
Or the slat hat
Russians fears Javelins for a reason lol
@@yourfriendlyneighborhoodf1802 It was /k/ but they called it the cuck cage.
@@yourfriendlyneighborhoodf1802 ah a fellow non credible defence user? Maybe a laser pig fan as well?
Talked with the crew about this "fences" as we called them during expo. They agreed that this things are pornography (as in ridiculous) and it was just "brilliant" idea from the top
And obviously this thoughts are confirmed with each FUBAR vehicle
@@MrMediator24, the term used really gives credibility to your statement. "Pornography" is a very recognizable way to call something badly conceptualized and crudely made in Russian.
@@user-vb2uq1fy9x yeah thats true lol, that's what i thougt too
The Good Idea Fairy strikes again.
@@varhYT waiting for _seethe cages_ to be deployed
Lot of people seem to think that the copium cages (trademark) don't do anything, this is wrong though. It has been demostrated that these cages effectively protect against very heavily thrown tomatoes and sheets of paper.
I was about to comment for you to give me a source but then i expanded the comment and read the rest
Paper cuts are no joke and clearly has a high penetration value plus it has a +10 sting and ouch value! Clearly its an anti crew/personnel weapon system and its highly effective.
they are also 93% effective at blocking rain particles that may interfere with the hair of the commander when the hatch is open
Given that we know Ukrainian grandmothers can expertly wield jars of pickled tomatoes to take out combat drones, that's a valid concern. Anti-tank pickled vegetables are no joke.
@@cristianserban4632 you should ask for the sorces that says it was ever intended to stop javelins. They are ther for RKG-3 AT grenades if you want me to even strengthen this argument these are shape charge devices when ya put that much distance between it and the armor they are usless other than a minor headache for the crew
Spookston saying he's not a furry because of his profile pic: okay. Spookston's discord image
There's 9/10 chance that in full image his avatar is looking at a knotty treat ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Just lookng at that profile pic alone is enough to tell that he is a gay furry that do some kinky stuff outside of KZhead. Trust me, as a fellow fur, I know a gay one when I see em. Although he tries to keep the furry stuff out of KZhead.
@@Ayattar55 Stop talking. Be quiet for several days
Spookums definitely seems to be a furry but not a Furry if you know what I mean, he just likes the anthro art and stuff which is fine (to clarify I don't care about the more "hardcore" furries either tbh)
tbh i don't care if he is a furry or not anyway
6:17 damn, nice lead shot!
its drewski
Drewski watching a warthunder / spookston video? A surprise, but a welcome one. Hiya mate.
When A-10 gameplay? :peepoWeird:
@@Rahayu.76 holy crap its oc boi
Do you play war thunder Drewski?
As far as I know, those cages were meant to stop light suicide drones like Warmate used by Ukraine. The older versions of warmate have relatively small HE warheads capable of destroying MBTs if hitting them directly in the roof. But iI think that the explosive load on the newest versions is too big to be stopped by these cages anyway. I don't know if Ukraine bought any newer Warmates though.
Doesn't really matter, just buy a bunch of cheap drones strap as much explosives as possible, then rig a detonator and you've got your self a guided bomb.
@@binaryshark5965 Chep drones can be easily nullified with radio-electronic warfare.
@@kamilszadkowski8864 but that's just one more piece lol of equipment that needs to be taken into the battlefeild especially in an urban environment cause that's where those drones will do their best work, that will then be vunerable to guerilla warfare.
@@kamilszadkowski8864 I’m sure the army using unencrypted radio coms definitely has state of the art electronic warfare units
@@land_and_air1250 Well, they were supposed to be formidable in that aspect. But as usual with Russians, it turned out to be propaganda.
It's probably there to help with crew morale given how notoriously bad urban warfare is for tankers. Think of them like the sandbags Sherman crews would put on the from of their tanks.
Seems legit. Cages were also used on later IS and T-34s before taking Berlin. They were purely working against Faust
The sandbags on the Sherman’s existed purely for entertainment purposes. If morale was at an all time low, they would cut the bags lose and create a sandbox for the crew to play in. I hope this clears any confusion.
@@SomewhatSummarized Once again the superiority of the Sherman is proven beyond a doubt.
So, a cope cage
There was a cope cage with sandbags stacked on it, so yeah.
The purpose of the Cope Cages being for protection against TB-2 munitions makes the most sense as there was a lot of video of Armenian operated Soviet/Russian MTBs being devestated by them during the 2020 Nagorno-Karabakh War.
But actually in Ukraine they don't work that effectively in fact of presence of large AA forces
@@raketny_hvost some actually manage to harsh some Russian convoy. Even inactive AA. So that thing still pretty much a threat
Loitering munitions too
It aint coping in Ukraine
Today T72 with cope cage was destroyed by TB2
Officially recognized as “cope cages”
The best thing about this is that there's a mini-war going on in the T90's Wikipedia page that if the roof-mounted slat armour should be recognised as "cope cages", in the end, it has.
Thirty years from now "cope cages" will start showing up in history textbooks
@@Spookston and also the fact that Russian rubles are less than a game for children's in game currency named robux
@@TamamoF0X it is an actual warzone in the T90 wiki page
@@Spookston even tho the whole logic behind it is based off of lies. These cages are there for mostly things like RKG-3s they are shape charge at grenades that many nations have in stock and the USSR sold like candy. If you know how a shape charge works it makes the cages have a very logical and effective purpose but of course western media pulling things out there ass for reasons is just considered fact now and if ypu argue you support putin or some BS
It reminds me of wood armor that was used during the world wars.Almost completely useless but give the crew a sense of comfort since they got additional "protection"
Russian tanks still carry logs with them.
@@davidty2006 for different purpose. The trucks however have been seen mounting logs in front of the radiator, probably to help shield it from rifle fire
though this gives the tanks shitloads of protection, if it didnt then there wouldnt be 3 other forefront countries using chicken slats
Usually logs weren't used as armor, but as a detachable tool to help crossing mud or getting un stuck out of mud.
@@PilotTed i think he meant for american tanks such as the shermans, where they'd put almost anything on it, or the italian tanks in the early sections of the war.
I told people from the beginning that these cages wouldn't stop javelin missiles due to the tandem warhead. But it would stop top down attacks from RPGs or anti-tank grenades. I'm glad you're bringing this up.
Could this help against a javelin the tank also has era on top?
@@badgermcbadger1968 not likely and it would also make the tank taller and heavier because I doubt that the current cope cage could hold any ERA worth it’s salt not to mention anything short of Relikt era doesn’t stand a chance at stopping a javelin
@@floppy2651 i meant era below the cage
@@badgermcbadger1968 90% sure you can’t mount most modern era on the top of tanks
@@floppy2651 ah
clearly, the cages are meant for grilling meat when the ammunition cooks off
Yeah like the crew men 😆
I think the argument of the cope cage being used as camo is rather a stretch. The soviet/russian tanks' low profile was supposed to make them less likely to being seen and being hit. By putting a big "conning tower" on top of your tank, you are essentially tell everyone "hey look here, look at this nice tall structure I have here". Even if you put more debris or branches on it, it still give off a unnatural look and add weight onto the tank.
Its meant as camo from the air, not the ground. Camo from the air is just as, if not more important due to aircraft and drones. The Ukrainians have been using a lot of drones too, so the camo on the top will help hide them from said drones, if even by a little.
@@PilotTed that would've been true before the age of thermal imaging, but as we've seen from the BA-2 footage the Ukrainians are more than capable of spotting and engaging targets with thermal imaging.
@@PilotTed that would've been true before the age of thermal imaging, but as we've seen from the TB-2 footage the Ukrainians are more than capable of spotting and engaging targets with thermal imaging.
@@ryanchatham9971 Well I haven't seen too much TB-2 footage of them destroying tanks in Ukraine (most footage I have seen has been light armoured vehicles i.e. BMDs), to his point, thermal imaging does see heat signatures, but like the guy said in the video, putting all this stuff on top of these cages may in fact make it more difficult to distinguish what it is you are looking at from above seeing as they wont have a heat signature like the tanks engine.
@@aflyingcowboy31 I don't think you have ever seen a thermo imaging of a tank from the sky. Often on the thermo camera, the simple engine deck heat signature is enough for confirmation. So I don't really think cope cage can help with that.
Cope Cages: being used to stop top attacks from RPGs in urban centres NLAWs: *Allow us to introduce ourselves*
Nlaws have a top attack mode bit its more the tandem warheads
@@justarandomtechpriest1578 I thought they were direct inertia guided ATGMs
Just checked, they can do both.
Imagine if Israel have send spike missiles to Ukraine ...
The cope cages being used as storage sounds to me less like an intended feature and more like tankers going 'oh well, now we have these weird racks of questionable utility on the top of our tank, might as well lash some gear to it'
As I understand it, Soldiers generally are excellent scroungers. Tankers etc. Who rely on complicated pieces of kit, even more so. So it was downright inevitable that their Cope Cages would be turned into stowage.
Thats how soldiers think. "Well, this wasnt made for this, but if it works, it works"
@@A-G-F- if it's stupid and it works, it's not stupid
I see the top cage as a direct response to how prevalent drone top down attacks were in the Armenian/Azerbaijani conflict and just how devastating they were.
That wasn't some great unknown. Tank tops have and are weakspots on all tanks, be it T-72/T-90/Abrams or Panther D lol. They just don't really get exposed to such situations often enough in the past to justify doing anything about it.
But they also raise the tank's visual profile quite a bit, making positioning such a tank in defilade (with just its low turret visible to any observer in its forward arc and at about the same elevation) impossible. With cages fitted these things can be spotted a few EXTRA km away, except maybe if they're in a treeline. The US Army would never make a tradeoff like this -- of visual signature for some dubious overhead "protection".
>Cope Cages. And there goes my drink.
I saw this and thought they were going to talk about Soviet T-34’s with bed cages on them during the later war period of WW2
these where semi useful since Russian Tank where crap and there the early ancestor of the modern cope cage
To be those were actually useful, especially against panzerfausts with non-tandem HEAT charges
I have had my suspicions that these cages were there to protect against weaker munitions and not as a protection against Javelins, guess I was right. I knew from reading history books and such that in Urban warfare, tanks turret tops are very much exposed to anyone with an RPG or thrown AT mine on top of a tall building. The Drone munitions part though surprised me, didn't know Ukraine had drones like that with those types of munitions. I knew they had suicide drones and UAVs, just didn't know they had those Turkish ones. As for mortars, I never really thought of using mortars as AT weapons, guess its possible, but that would be very hard to hit the top of a tank with one. If its effective against these smaller weapons, good for them for coming up with a way to defeat them cheap and effectively, but it still won't protect against anything substantial like Javelins or the larger RPG warheads like the ones with tandem charges.
I don't know how difficult it'd be but you could probably toss mortar rounds out the side of a tallish building onto the tank's roof if you had good enough aim. Idk about arming the mortars beforehand though. Saving Private Ryan can only teach one so much about modern mortar systems.
They stoped RPG often in Iraq
@@ifv2089 while that may be true, they’re shooting themselves in the foot by throwing sandbags and shit on top of them. Skinny bars trap the warhead without letting its pressure sensor get tripped, while thick bars/sandbags/ tree limbs will cause it to explode still. The damage will not be as bad, but I imagine the tank will not be functioning the same after an explosion 2-3 feet above the turret
@@bakermayfield6hunnitdan6er24 yeah you don't put things over the top of Bar armour it doesn't work like this. Plenty of evidence showing warheads stuck out the sides of our warriors and bulldog 432 in Iraq and mastiff and viking in Afghan I seen our waggons role into basra Palace with RPG sticking out the Bar, was a normal event after night patrols in the Udey triangle or Shia Flats, worked well we had warriors that took up to 7 hits and were fine
It may be hard, but through saturation it is very much possible. 82 mm mortars can be fired REALLY fast
Suggestions for the top-tier Soviet tank tree to simulate realism. When playing Tier VI-VII Soviets: - Random chance to run out of gas - Random chance to break down - Random chance the crew will abandon the tank - The battle map is disabled or displays an obsolete version. - The map doesn't show you where the next objective is, you have to find a civilian car and ask for directions. - Wheeled vehicles such as the Pantsir have a high chance to blow a tire or the whole rim off of the hub. - Radio comms from other players are disabled, while your comms are broadcast to everyone. - Background music is the Ukrainian national anthem followed by some drunk farmer screaming at you in Russian. - Due to there being much less quantity than advertised, T-80/T-90 players may randomly spawn in T-72s - If a player from Ukraine spawns in the match, there's a random chance your tank/helicopter/jet will explode seemingly out of nowhere - If you drive off the map, your tank gets towed away by a Gypsy in a tractor. - When you shoot a missile, it will fly into a hospital. - New achievement: cause an ammo explosion 100 times when shooting T-72/T-80/T-90 Soviet tanks and get the title "Rocket Man"
Aaahhahaha, underrated comment
This made me laugh way to hard
absolute gold
Golden
cringe
Speaking of silhouette, one of the advantages of a Russian tank is their low silhouette. The cages dramatically increase the profile of the vehicle, making them more visible on the battle, not less so. It will be interesting to see stats for Russian tanks (if we can ever get honest ones out of Moscow) after the conflict is over to see if they helped reduce tank losses or actually resulted in more Russian tank kills.
In this case there are T-72s with these cages which have large camouflaged nettings draped over them which definitely does help in "breaking up" the silhouette of the vehicle. It may be a higher profile overall, but remember we're in mostly flat terrain where this may prove less of an important factor, and creating a "non-tank" profile or a profile that cannot effectively be observed from aerial observation vehicles might be more important. Also worth noting is this is clearly an effort to reduce how much these cages stand out anyways.
The low profile primarily helps in reducing horizontal target profile. What’s changed in the past 10 years I think is that modern drones and other tech has greatly increased the importance of vertical spotting rather than horizontal spotting. For this reason, trading some horizontal visibility for some of the benefits listed in the video might be considered worth it. Also of course there’s no hiding a tank in urban combat. Even if someone does see you, so long as the front of the cage is covered with cloth or some other visually-obscuring material, a shot aimed at apparent center of mass will miss the turret itself.
Honest and moscow in one sentence... Wasnt in my Bingo card.
@@Genktarov aerial vehicles have thermals these days, so physical canoflauge doesn’t mean much. If there is a drone in the sky and your tank is warm, you’re getting spotted
Point still stands that they clearly saw maintaining a completely low silhouette was less important than whatever multifunctional use they perceive the cage to have. It’s pure speculation but it seems that given the air gap if you put thermal camouflage on the top of the cage you could significantly obscure the turret to thermal vision from above. This goes back to things like Javelins hitting engine blocks rather than the turret.
I mean, I looked at them and thought 'they are expecting urban, maybe they are a 'rain-shield' for debris off of buildings or other such things, to prevent the risk of them damaging hatches or otherwise complicating operation'. Could also, maybe, be some sort of 'this is allied' identifier as well. IIRC a lot of Ukrainian tanks are modifications of Russian tanks. Maybe that change to silhouette is an attempt at a sneaky vis ID shortcut? I expect that no matter what their intended purpose is, they probably don't fill it too well. Aluminum/steel frames tend not to be very good for much these days.
That’s not a bad theory, I suspect you don’t want cinder blocks dropping onto your thermal sight.
There weren't any modifications of russian tanks only USSR one's
@@ALGNC Bruh. Most of Russia's current inventory is modifications of 'USSR' vehicles. Russia was also the controlling stake in the USSR. There is ZERO point in that distinction when talking about armored vehicles.
@@jtnachos16 yeah and the most advance Russian equipment is not even in the front line since they could not even produce a lot of them and people are saying that there probably to expensive to use so yeah most of the war is fought whit soviet era design
@@jtnachos16 So what , this is still not russian tanks
Love this video, thank you for covering some of the stuff going on today, really nice to get a expert's opinion on it!
Oh boy, can't believe NCD really made cope cage become officialy term! ...also, is that a ukrainian military camo and roundels on that T-64B?!
Yes, it's meant to reflect Ukrainian T-64BVs
@@Spookston Sounds cringe
@@GewelReal you’re cringe. SLAVA Ukraine!
@@Chroniclerope you main Germany? Add more stickers on your tank Rommel will notice you!
@@GewelReal why is that cringe?
Great video. As I tought, your videos are still top tier, even when longer than 5 minutes. If you enjoy making longer content, you should really consider making more of it, as its very entertaining to watch, and you can explain a lot more.
Gonna call BS here , this "expert" has 12mins to explaine why top-mounted slat armor cant nullify modern top-attack ATGMs but fails to show one example of a Russian mbt destroyed by one ...
@@rohampasha9667 🤡
Some very interesting insight here, would love to see more of this kind of videos!
I love how they are officially called cope cages now
Despite being called Cope Cages (dumb name though), at least it's better than none when it comes to protecting the top turrets, camouflage or storage. Even though there're weapon systems that made them useless
@@deathtrooper199 APS: am i a joke to you?
@@deathtrooper199 not really, the result is debris trapping the crew in the track until they are cooked alive
@@misterputin8898 They do but they don't seem to use due to some reasons that conflict with their point of view, even though it's possible to obtain it
@@thomasstevenhebert supposedly most modern tanks have escape hatches nowadays but due to the catastrophic conditions that Russian tanks are infamous of they'll have a hard time trying to escape while praying or hoping not to get cooked alive
btw love that you are also repping the T-64b with the UAF skin, definitely one of my most favorite ways to play
I defiantly would like to see more stuff like this, as in people with a different knowledge base sharing it, and maybe having more of a back and forth could be interesting to see.
Well made and interesting analysis. It does remind me a bit of my visit at the Bovington tank museum. They had a T-55 with cutouts in the armour. The info plate stated that this was a training tank and on those, they made the armour thicker, so crews got a (false) sense of beeing well protected.
"I'm not a furry" Also his discord profile picture:
I wouldn't say his Discord profile picture is proof. His Twitter account is proof.
For the cope, and keeping the conscript from running away 🤣
"Why Do Russian Tanks Have Cages?" "Because Javelin go w h h o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o s s s s s h... *BANG* "
Really interesting topic, especially given the world as it stands rn Definitely interested in more like this, and at this length
Great video, really ennjoyed the theories and analysis
I appreciate this video. I saw the title and my first thought was "oh, javelins" and it was interesting to hear why that's not really the case
Great video, it would be nice if there was more in this format. P.S. 5:12 These are not missiles. MAM family of guidied munitions was developed for UCAVs and aircraft with small payload , such as the TB2 and they don't have any propulsion system to save weight.
I believe you are correct in the sense they do not use a propulsion system. I had higher confidence that the MAM-C had no propulsion system, but Roketsan's own publications on the MAM-L were not very clear about this, especially with the speculated ranges they gave for this system. It should be noted though, that in my industry the term "missile" often refers more broadly to any thrown weapon, be it constantly propelled or not. Still, I think in the future I'll try to use the term "missile" more sparingly as it does refer to a more narrow interpretation to most people, and rely on the term "guided munitions" or "guided weapons" instead. Either way, thanks for the feedback!
So the MAM-C and MAM-L are some sort of glide bomb?
@@Hardbass2021 Kinda. At least from what I've heard on the internet (Poland bought Bayraktars half a year ago and there was a lot of "hype" in the industry media). Unfortunately everything that Baykar Defence publishes seems to be in Turkish.
Turkish here, if you guys would like I can give it a shot at translating the stuff on Bayraktar Defence's website
@@porsvasse you guys did a good job on the TB-2 they are kicking azz
This has to be one of the longest videos Spookston has ever made
Yes, videos like this would be much appreciated! I'd like to see more content about real world tanks and other armoured fighting vehicles
Very insightful, I'd like to see more videos like this in the future.
It seems that there were some tanks fitted with the cope cages which have turned them from catastrophic kills by NLAWs into a mobility kill or a hit onto an external fuel tank by triggering the NLAW early.
I think he's right about them expecting urban combat and attacks from above. Something he didn't mention was grenades and mines- tanks in WW1 had similar cages to allow grenades to roll off or blow up at a safe distance from the tanks skin. In addition, I guess it doubles as a sun shield and a "hope this helps" vs NLAW and other top attack stuff.
Honestly the concept of having cage to roll grenades off the top of the vehicle seems really arbitrary for me, especially for early WW2 vehicles. Vehicles are always on the move so good luck throwing grenades on higher position right into the hatch, if anything it will just roll off or misses the vehicle entirely (without the cage). Cage armor makes more sense for RPG though
@@quakethedoombringer Yeah, I guess the idea is more that the grenade detonates up there rather than on the skin, useful when they get bogged down in cities. Main use is probably RPGs tho
awesome video, very informative. It would be more than welcome to see videos on the same wave length as this one
Great video, would love to see more content like this.
I think one of the biggest reasons why they're used so widely is literally for copium purposes. Urban Warfare is very harsh on the already nonexistent Russian Morale, even the idea of some additional protection against threats is a small morale boost.
It protects against mortars, RPGs, and suicide drones, and small bombs dropped from drones so I think they are working as intended.
The sheer amount of tanks being lost in Ukraine disagree with that statement
Cant wait for russian MBTs in warthunder to get cope cages that are incredibly effective because I guarantee they will get them and I guarantee they will overperform
Well, Papa Putin has to finance his wrecked economy somehow... Granted, I'm not convinced this invasion is a 5th dimensional chess move to lower the BR of modern Russian ground vehicles. XD
And a slew of new decals to put on your vehicle: Z, X, O, chevrons etc.
Russian tonk can stop anything, don't believe what you see on TV, on KZhead or through your eyes. Believe what Putin says comrade, tonk cannot be destroyed.
@@MichaelDavis-mk4me of course Tonk cannot be destroyed. Have you seen how tiny that thing is? No Russian tank has the gun depression necessary to hit it. XD
Loved this style. Thinky is indeed very knowledgeable :) thanks for the content, keep safe both of you.
That was very informative. Thanks for sharing this
it's for coping Cope cages
cage armor seems like an idea r/NonCredibleDefense would have come up with
They are roasting the hell out of those cages there lol
They literally invented the term cope cage
That type of video is really interesting, please more stuff like this :)
i'd love your friend to return in a future presentation going over the new equipment and its use in this war, sort of review of how some was put to better use than expected, and which to worse.
Any blast in front of armor becomes less threatening. And these cages also have a reconnaissance function when both sides have the same tanks.
Lets all be honest, its for their laundry. Clearly they need it seeing as their stuff runs out of gas and breaks down.
I really enjoyed this information, would like to see more like this in the future.
Liked the format of this video. More Q and As in the future please!!!
One last benefit might be psychological. Having something up there might make the crew feel better than having nothing. We know from WWII that crews stuck all sorts of things on the front of their tanks to try to increase 'armour protection' whether it worked or not.
that armor protection - most iconic would be sandbags on some shermans - actually worked well. it just wasnt a remedy for all types of threats, just some of them (like handheld panzerfaust launchers)
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Very insightful video, thanks!
i like this format, it'd be cool to see more speculative videos about modern armor
If we start seeing more urban warfare, I wonder if tank crews will start tying ballistic blankets/other protection from small arms over these cages. Might provide additional protection from ambush-style attacks for crew exposed to man weapons systems or observe targets.
You´d cover up all your optics and soft protection won´t stand up to any sort of rifle round, not that Russia even remotely has the funds to purchase any form of appliqué, given that they seem to have skimped quite heavily on maintenance.
The fact they're just called cope cages is just funny to me, and out there, one day, online military analysts and military personnel would start using cope cage as a common name for them.
Without going into the video, I remember hearing WAY before this conflict, it was originally meant to stop a drone attacks coming from the top. I might hear that in the video and will edit comment along the way.
Well done! Your friend has some amazing knowledge.
I was thinking that'd be far more effective against top attack shaped charge munitions if they used the cage as a mounting point for ERA to both increase standoff distance and protect optics and modules on the roof of the tank.
cage triggers the rocket the same, then comes era into play(that can try to neutralize main charge). its unlikely that it stops javelin completly, but i could stop some other munitions. only conter to javelin that russian have on tanks, is shtora-1 system on t-90A and its not supposed to work that well against those rockets especially since its hard to detect a javelin lock-on (fire-and-forget).
@@seushimarejikaze1337 it will work pretty well against them. It’s gonna give a warning and pop smoke to break javelin’s lock.
HOLD ON A video that lasts longer than 10 minutes? Isn't that a first time for the channel? Also, interesting subject to talk about, it's the first time i hear about that. And as long as the subjects interest me, i would love to see something similar.
Nope, there are longer videos but they are generally quite old.
Lovely video, and i would actually very much like this sort of video, perhaps people add into a poll with war questions that is voted on, and highest voted is chosen next perhaps?
Long spookston video highly appreciated
you see, its simple, its more level ground to squat on
Cope cages
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really helpful material! thanks!
1:55 Old man Thinky is revealed as Ben Shapiro with a voice changer
Regular RPG7 rockets are still very dangerous from the top down, just get on the roof of a building or a appartment balcony and wait for the enemy tank to get close enough . The cage dont neeed to stop a javelin to be effective
The warheads can get stuck in the slats and fail to detonate with the RPG what it was mainly used for in Iraq and Afghan
12 minute spookston video: A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one
I suspect it's actually a city fighting adaptation so they don't get snookered by an RPG-7 from above, or a drone with a shaped charge setup mounted or dropped from it.
This guy is cool, you should keep him around 😎
Also there is an often overlooked problem with HEAT rounds. They are designed for optimal focus of the jet at the impact point. If the impact point is the cage, that means the jet travels roughly 1 meter through air before hitting the roof. If the heat round is small enough(and most top attack munitions are indeed small, this 1 meter air gap might be enough to disperse the jet to the point where it can't penetrate the roof. In a way, air is armor :)
thats why some nera armors use air gaps as effective method of stopping some heat munitions. its well known. whether 0.6kg of explosive material, that is installed on javelin, is enough to penetrate top armor after traveling at least 50cm through air is up to debate.
“This is my friend...” >pulls out HAL 9000
The MAM-L has actually 3 variants: Tandem - effective against reactive armor High-explosive blast fragmentation Thermobaric
Now we need to know about the magics of the Turret Ejection System a lot of Russian tanks have recently been using.
I works in conjunction with the flaming perimeter security system. The tank emits fire from everywhere to keep intruders out.
@@mikedrop4421 self-cremating tank saves lots of money that would have been needed for crew burials
T-72s are well mannered. They take their hats off when they meet a Ukrainian with an NLAW. ;)
Soviet tank design: very low tanks that are harder to spot Russian tank crews: Let's put a metal cage on top of our turrets to make it 2m taller 🥴
What I gathered from the video, the most effective use of these cope cages are as luggage racks.
Super deal! Choice content as always. Many thanx 👍👍
called the cope cages because they need a coping mechanism against anti tank missiles
its been a thing for a while now lol i think since either serbia or Chechnya
Cope cages are the schurzen of modern battles. Designed to protect against "obsolete" threats, like older generation HEAT warheads and mines but absolutely useless against more modern implements. For the ww2 implement, it's only useful for AT rifles. In both cases, they add more weight to protect against older threats, but contribute to their aesthetic appeal.
i guarantee there is some Ukrainian out there still using a PTRD-41
Definitely enjoyed the change of video style on my end!
I can't believe how widespread the term Cope Cage has become...NCD what have you done
The most likely use for the cope cage IMO is to cause a Javelin to tumble after hitting it.
I assumed the cope cages were to trap the crew in the burning tank as Russian logistics can't even deliver enough food or fuel so not having to transport bodies would be a plus.
The Ukies call them 'grills' for that reason. The cage traps the tank crew in the burning tank and they cook to death.
Finally someone gave a real explain to what is used for that cage, nice video as always
I liked this video style from you a lot
Since those cages are useless for stopping top-attack missiles, I think they're meant to keep the crew from abandoning the tank and defecting. :P
in what way are they useless?
@@TheArcticFoxxo As described in the video, these cages do nothing to counter Javelin missiles as not only do they have a tandem warhead that defeats the cage, but the main warhead is so large that it simply brute-forces through the cage and into the target.
@@Orca19904 and thats what happens when you meet an american missile, where most half delayed fuses and work specifically off of kinetic energy to get through the thinner metal.
I still find it weird that the only tanks we've seen are old T72bm's
Probably becuase it is an urban warfare package. Why send a more expensive tank into urban combat when the ranges are so close the extra armour/etc of the t90 won't make mutch of a difference.
@@matthiuskoenig3378 that's a good point actually, because I was thinking the APS systems would be much more effective, not the stura red eyes of doom, the other one which name I have forgotten.
There are old T72AVs too. Very little "new" equipment has been used so far but there have been T-90s and T72B3 used and even captured. Funnily enough yesterday the Russians captured a fair few T64B's. Both sides are using captured equipment from the other side.
I liked this video even though its different from your usual content but I think some more on screen visuals would be nice.
I liked this video, it was interesting topic and video was longer then usual.