2020 Toyota Supra vs BMW Z4 M40i // Attack Of The Clones
James and Thomas compare the NEW 2020 Toyota Supra with the 2020 BMW Z4 M40i. One of the most controversial manufacturer partnerships of the decade. But we want to find out if the cars complement each other, or step on each other's toes. Do they both stand up in their own right? And which is the better value? Watch to find out.
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If you want to see more of Thomas' smelly armpits and other shenanigans follow us on Instagram *@thethrottlehouse* Also, as for the comments saying the "fake vents are there to customize later." That wasn't our experience when investigating the car. Jalopnik has written a great article on why those fake vents don't lead anywhere if you want to go check it out.
How dare jellopick insinuate that Toyota's chief design engineer's statements are blatant lies and nothing more than Japanese propaganda that is so disrespectful!
As I recall from watching the video of their engineer, he said something about there being room for ducting to be installed, as opposed to actual ducting. Was that your experience looking at it from the inside? Or was there nothing but bulkhead/parts behind the fakeness?
There is nothing behind the fake Plastic. You would have to do a lot of cutting as far as we could see.
@@ThrottleHouse "fake plastic" as opposed to "real plastic" as one would find on a genuine car hmm sounds legit!
The vents are for the aftermarket to open up or for Toyota to do so for when they produce a higher trim level version. Ive seen videos that’s straight from the engineers mouths.
Who else remembered when the Germans and the Japanese teamed up together?
Good times
Uh WW2? 😂😂
BMW and Toyota teamed up together to take on the American Corvette C8.
Schnitzel Bratwurst Krankenhaus
Uchiha Pepperidge Farms remembers.
*steps into the BMW* "this feels more BMW to drive" Makes sense
😂😂
You guys should take the Supra into bmw for a service and see what they say
ngcsu actually $1350 the part will arrive next week (usually a bad sensor ) , we will get you a hertz rental car Toyota Camry in the meantime...
Woah buddy that's a few steps up from repetitive flybys and shitty jokes
@Adam84 B open deck b58 engine makes more power than ur Toyota Camry 😂😂😂😂
@Aswin Hanagal normal Toyota service center cannot even service the car a special team bmw is called to service the supra lol
@Aswin Hanagal no.
Toyota Supra: You’re weak BMW Z4: I’m You
😂🤣
“At least I ain’t ugly as fuck” 💀
@@_Colt which one’s ugly?
@@jhondalton130 not the bmw
@@jhondalton130if you don't think the z4 is more uglier than the supra you need to check those eyes lol
Time for honda s2000 successor, Mazda RX 8 successor, Nissan Z successor, to make some under $50k comebacks.
no if it is going to happen, car fans are weird crowd that is for sure, you need to give them something fast, unique and good looking also cheap if possible, that all sounds good but there is not enough car enthusiasts to sell these cars to. Toyota and BMW teamed up to create something cool and all they got in return is a bunch of a spoiled people complaining not understanding that it was not these cars versus more faster more unique cars with manual but no cars like this at all.
@@Donax695 depends on price first one with a great manual will be a true classic before that art and skill goes away
@@Tigerex966 remember how much been criticized BRZ/GT86 for not being powerful enough? Subaru/Toyota delivered interesting driver oriented car with manual transmission and people been still bitching about something, here in Europe you wont find much of these... if any... here where I live Toyota does not even bother to properly advertise these cars, local showroom does not even have one on a display... it is a small success to see one on a road, it is shame taken in consideration how cool these cars are, these cars are interesting for a very specific crowd and tend to hold value quite well but they are aiming for a small fraction of a car market, sadly :/
@@Donax695 those are great cars And I give much props to Toyota scion Subaru for those two They actually got great press and still do. Their weakness was no more powerful. Versions with turbo or add. High price for the performance. A gti or si usually had them in the rear view mirror for a lot less. The styling was really never updated. It still looks the same. Very little marketing What was the last year you saw any advertising for them. 2 door Sport coupes are by nature impractical. They are more for the brands image satisfy diehard enthusiasts, bring back some fun to the company engineers and brand and show what their engineers can within reason at certain price points if allowed.. Modding and bringing people into the showroom to sell practical suvs pickups cuvs and sedans Most sport coupes s2000 Nissan z rx8 etc. get great press and sales for a few years but than they stagnate and stay the same for a whole decade. Unlike the bigger sellers. I am happy we even have any available especially with manual that is just crazy and great. Giving humans that much control and the requirement they must think ahead and clutch and shift. Soon everything will be electric self driving super fast but boring as cars become the second highest market place besides online shopping at home. Driving is becoming to be looked down on like shifting your self gas cars 2 door cars sports cars. I can see a future where driving is banned because day computers so can do it faster and better
I’d love to see another S2000
These guys get cars for review that even the big reviewers can't seem to get and put them head to head. That's how you do it boys :-)
Yeah - why is it that these guys are the only ones who have done this? I would have expected this comparo a long time ago from bigger reviewers (i.e. C&D, etc)
Because they're in Canada and they don't have many Auto journalism there.
Are you dumb,Canadian,or just their friend?
@@JamieR1988 they hurt when you were a kid, didn't they?
@@JamieR1988 In other words..pussies
You both have completely won me over and have quickly become my favourite youtube car content provider! You compliment each each perfectly, natural chemistry. The hard work put in behind the scenes is clearly evident and translates great on screen. We viewers appreciate it! Thanks.
Daniel Anthony you are absolutely right
3:46 that's how the inline-12 sounded like
Nice one 😂
I see what you did there
How could you tell from 10 feet away?
Doug gives us the glovebox handle eccentricities, Mat gives us the drag races like a Jimny vs a Cayenne but these two clowns serve a very fine 20 minutes every time.
Now that is a great comment!
Come on mat doesn’t only gives us drag races his reviews are incredible as well
HA! Nailed the internet's reaction within the first 36 seconds! Great review!!!
These guys are currently the best reviewers, content, tech info, enlightened tastes , delivery... brilliant !
Again, You two are hilarious!! The horn sound was really funny. When I purchased my first Honda, my dad wanted to hear the horn and when I honked it , He said "what is that clown car sound". Keep up the great and funny reviews!
“That’s what the internet’s like right now...”. Awesome!!!
Lost my shit at that skit😂😂
Haha if he said that he ain’t lying it’s a bunch of little kids fighting over cars none can afford at all😂
OMG, you guys found a secret easter egg/3rd difference between these cars - the horn!
So which of these Z4s do you like better?
Typically wimpy Toyota horn
@@jankunc7593 How bout that C8 Corvette tho!?
@@doggystyledave now we talking if Chevy what had done the same thing a Ferrari underneath rebadge as a Corvette GM would have got clowned
The body, the power is better in supra
You guys always have entertaining and delightful reviews. Keep up the good work! Thanks for challenging the majority, gathering your own opinions and trying things for yourself.
“how can you drive with coffee?” INITIAL D
I've travelled through many KZhead car "guys" and "reviewers" and I'm happily nestled here, with my favourite - The Throttle House. You boys honestly have such a polish to your presentation, it never gets boring and you don't bang on the same issues over and over in every video. Fantastic work!
Thanks dude!
Straight Pipe is also a very good channel.
@@mr.2cents.846 Love them too, and it's great we have two incredible Canadian choices, but I have to agree with Clark. TH is just the absolute best of all worlds. As he said, the blend of polish, genuine knowledge, fun and production quality is just perfect to me. Throttle House is the only channel that I follow where I watch every video, even if I don't like the cars featured. Keep up the great work Thomas and James. It's been a hell of a year so far.
@@effa114 Hurray! You must have been one of the three people that watched our Atlas Cross Sport video then. Thanks :)
@@jamesengelsman9369 Absolutely did! Glad the viewer numbers have tripled.
The extra 20 grand went into the bmw executives vacation funds.
it goes to the soft top mechanism
@@alonsodrifter 20k just for the roof?
10 grand went into that ECU tune for the extra hp, the interior and the soft top and the other 10 grand went to bmw executives
It went into the horn
Sam Kaye finally someone with the right answer
James, great job making Thomas eat his words on the difference in the exhaust note of each vehicle. It’s slight but discernible as you proved. I love you guys and wish I had your jobs. You are the best car reviewer duo on KZhead in my opinion. And the good natured ribbing is endearing and very entertaining. You guys are obviously good friends and it’s nice to watch you guys beg to differ with each other in such a playful way.
As much as I like the design of the Supra, after having daily driven an ND1 Miata the last couple years, I’d go with the Z4 for the joy of top-down driving whenever possible.
If you had a Miata and you’re a real car guy a z4 would severely disappoint you.
@@vcall6121 how so? Please elaborate.
@@vcall6121 yes please elaborate
Miata has long been hailed , revered and widely recognized as the greatest sports car, and at the very least it’s the best in its class(rwd,convertible 2 seat sports car) not to say the Z4 isn’t a blast I’m sure it is but a heavier bigger more computer complex and technology ridden car isn’t gonna be an upgrade if your looking for driver engagement and canyon or track driving. Plus you have the reliability factor and repair cost even gas mileage, the z4 is faster in a straight line but neither car was built for that. Just saying for driving experience alone z4 isn’t an upgrade
Nd1 and z4 are two complete opposites in small convertible 2 seaters category. ND is all about feel and engagement, the Z4 feel is intentionally engineered out for the sake of luxury/refinement. For example, this supra and Z4 have identical steering racks, but the Z4 has less steering feel because it was programmed that way.
Omg that intro is so spot on. People are treating the C8 like the second coming of Christ already.
Because it is, a supercar for the masses.
Well yeah they've been waiting for 7 decades
That's because they did what toyota said could not be done. You being bitter does not effect how historical the mid engined vette is . No one wanted to build something like that for the that base price. If you don't understand how special that is, you really don't know cars.
@@stockey It has been like this for the last 25 years (Late C4/5/6/7),nothing new
I’m more of a BMW fan and not a fan of GM, but what GM did is history in the making. It might be my next fun car. They made a supercar at a sports car price.
One of the best comparison reviews I've seen so far. Got the Supra review out before those Straightpipes guys lol
you guys are amazing! i was one of those haters. thanks for making me see the difference!
The Supra makes that beautiful crackle noise
Mark W I think I'm one of the few that can't stand that noise. It's such a popular gimmick that many manufacturers use. I would rather be able to hear the turbo spool up when accelerating.
@@mk2mister2 You can hear that to, especially with an aftermarket intake. You dont hear the crackles when accelerating, only when decelerating, and some burps on the upshifts.
@@mk2mister2 it sounds like the car is farting, its not even real. They only do that because the real engine exhuast sounds like ass 😆😂.
If you think that's impressive, try going to a classic car show where car enthusiasts are.
They both make the same noise
The GR Supra is a great sports car with a lot of aftermarket support Needs a manual transmission
If toyota doesnt do it, owners will. I dont know how hard it is in newer cars but it should definitely be possible
unfortunately, manual is dying, at least in the US that is. Manual is so fun but it is outdated and manual cars are slower than auto cars now :(
Damon Yeah, I mean how hard could designing and manufacturing a completely new driveline for a new engine and new chassis? Sure, it takes companies hundreds of engineers years of research and development to do the same, but come on, if the general public really wants it, I’m sUrE tHeY’lL fInD a wAy 🤦♂️
Carrera11STi I agree lol. If the economics don’t show for it they 100% will not do it. 100 people can say they’ll buy it but probably realistically less than half can’t afford it and some care more about performance than having a manual. Also, since it is a BMW motor, they’ll probably need to figure things out with BMW for their tranny, and that’ll for sure take a longggg time
Truth is, most of the guys who bring manuals to track days don’t even know which gear to be in, on different turns. They end up bogging the car down or wiping out. Lol
Hit the nail on the head, boys. Excellent work, best comparo on KZhead by far!
The intro up to and including the keys was hilarious. Great comparison of the two cars.
OMG thanks for the heads up on the buffeting wind and the horn and vents. I was checking on the Supra.
This channel is extremely underrated
God your style of reviewing cars is just the perfect mix of being informative and entertaining. Great job!
Love the music at the beginning.
That empty cluster space that does the warnings also fills with the map directions when you have a destination set.
People say just be happy that toyota made it again. Its quite a feat nowadays to bring out a new sports car even if all the parts are from a different manufacturer. If toyota had given people what they wanted it would have cost millions. Meanwhile, GM just reinvented the Corvette and kept it affordable.
"Meanwhile, GM just reinvented the Corvette and kept it affordable." yep lol
U know a base level c8 costs as much as a fully loaded Supra. And u need to get a package to have the 2.8 secs 0-60, which is probably gonna be expensive, no one would ever take a c8 at 60k the lowest I feel they would take it is at around 70-85k. Cheers
@@alwaysiyi272 At most that z51 package is going to take away 1 or 2 tenths. The base C8 w/o the z51 is probably capable of doing 3.1 to 3.0 secs to 60. It's not like you are getting an extra 30 hp and 30 lb-ft of tq with the addition of the z51 package.
@@alwaysiyi272 base level c8 is more loaded than fully loaded supra though.
Just wait till u see maintainence costs of the c8.
Like you guys channel style, no annoying music and gets straight to the point
I'm finally starting to come around to appreciate the Supra's styling, and my goodness do I like it in yellow. It's easily the best color for this car. I especially like the double bubble roof, it looks great on this car. I used to vastly prefer the Z4's styling but the more I look at them side by side, the more I like the Supra. I especially dislike the glossy plastics on the interior of the Z4. The Supra isn't perfect, but it appears to be a damn good car and I would not mind driving one every day. I'd much rather have a proper manual transmission, though.
glossy plastics of the Z4 ????? Obviously you've never been in one
@@mgqfashion I've been in one (and own one) and it's not "glossy plastics"
The z4 gives you the open topped experience which I feel is a huge plus of it if you like the wind and fresh air both cars are really nice I just wish the Supra was not a bmw with Toyota badging
Great Work guys! Looks like you have captured the spirit of the 2 cars and broken down the details in a very good way. Driver experience is a key to any vehicle and we do not simply drive an engine and chassis, but its the fine cooperations of all of the systems that give a car a personality.
Best head to head journalist on youtube right now. Great content, keep it up guys!
The thing I hate about the new Z4 is that it looks just like the Coupe version of any other BMW. This is a step back from the unique design that previous Z4 generations got, a design which aged a lot better than whatever was "cool" and "modern" at the time. Just look at the first Gen Z4. Apart from the lights (and maybe some of the rear), the car is beautifully shaped and to this day (20 years after it hit the market) still doesn't look outdated.
I still can’t get over that horn and I watched this for the first time the day it came out. Honestly it’s a selling point for me, I love it
Officially, you are my new cars reviewers, love you guys ✌🏼❤ keep it up
The same people getting tired of BMW Supra jokes are also the people saying mustang crowd jokes for the last 3 years lol
Hey bro have u hit a crowd yet .
Just three years? The best part about Ford is there lack of government assistance, not fast cars. The best Ford's were built by Carol Shelby, not Ford.
Yeah but the Mustang jokes are actually real.
Joel Spaulding so is the bmw Supra ones 🤷🏻♂️
Supra Drift no unfortunately
First time viewer of your channel. Really enjoyed the video. Came off really well as opposed to some other channels/videos where they're cringy 👍
I feel like these cars look really good side by side . I want one of each 😎
The dog and the snake thing made my morning lol
Nice honest review, thank you!
Great Review, Enjoyed it 🔥❤
Of all the car channels I watch, and I watch a lot, this is the most precise in terms of describing the ride and performance qualities of the cars. Props for that
So the Canucks are the first to come through with a direct comparison (at least out of the many channels I subscribe to). Nicey done guys. As always, informative and entertaining.
MACA... Make America Canuck Again.
3:03 - gotta love it, talking about the BMW, show a flash of the Supra engine compartment.
Love it when they say the price in CAD!!
This channel is one of my best discoveries this year
he said "it revs really hard all the way to 6500" all the honda fan bois are going to be like "nah brah that ain't revin hard" hahaha
As a Honda fanboy, that was my immediate reaction.
Lmfao!!! Love it
My Kia Soul hits 6800, and I don't even have the turbo 🤣
My e46 m3 revs to 8200 and has torque unlike Hondas
GTR r34 red lines to 9000, right up there with you Honda screamers too
my 2007 z4 3.0si has that off-throttle gurgle and i love it
As a horn player - those jumps in the horn at around the 1 minute mark are incredibly difficult, and sounds so sick!
You guys are the best car reviewers you guys are all I Watch now keep it up Bois all the best form the USA
Lol I love “the little kid went full Kirby” that’s hilarious. I’m definitely going to use that.
Nice test and very good spirit! Keep going!,
Great video! 👍 True and unbiased
But but but what about the C8???? I heart your channel for the intros and continued laughs but stay for the track times, drags, and back seat bonding. That Supra is yellow is beautiful go choice on colors.
The Supra- ive always been a fan of bmw and i love toyota and seeing this collaboration is my wet dream.
Same here😂😂
Same here
Finally someone who understands this is a beautiful thing
The MKV owner is going to be that business professional who wanted to buy the Z4 but didn't want to be too fancy in front of his coworkers. He's in love with the Supra name but doesn't know how to change a spark plug or change oil.
It's no wet dream... More like nightmare😂!
Absolutely love the in intro lmbo😂
I have a correction for you guys. In the supra, the black spot in the gauge cluster where you stated that it only shows alerts, if you use the steering wheel controls it actually shows your menus radio stations etc and you can cycle through. Also, if youre using the in car NAV system, the Directions are shown there with the road displayed with instructions for your route etc. Next time youre in a supra, give it a try!
Do you actually think these two took the time to do a serious review?
Goodness how are u guys not at a million subs already?! Best channel in the biz by far.
The z4 looks like a Kia Stinger lol
the corvette c8 looks like an Evora
to be fair the Kia Stinger was desgined by germans
Or a Suzuki Swift 🤣😂
Stinger was designed former M boss
The Kia stinger looks like a z4*🤦🏼♂️
3 years later i recently rented a yellow Supra and I’ve never seen so many people in restaurants/on the sidewalk stop and look. Best looking car of the decade 3 years in at least from the rear
2:01 I knew he was gonna say something stupid but the delivery still got me laughing
Really appreciated your videos!!! Im your fan from Québec #1!!!
about fake vents: Toyota said that they are doing this to make tuning Supras easier. maybe they will even release some more powerful version in the future but that is just speculation.
The fake vents don’t go anywhere though. You would have to cut a hole in the hood to use them 🤷♂️
Lol you'd be fooled by Toyota engineer. The vents on the door don't go anywhere, same as the vents on the hood and fenders. As mentioned, you'd have to cut through the metal just like any other car, therefore nothing special about what he said
Here is some more info and a visual jalopnik.com/i-just-dont-believe-what-the-toyota-supras-chief-engine-1831838527
Freshfruitz 10000% rice. Look up rice and the supra is there
Freshfruitz all to look cool. Gimmicks tbh. Just like the fake exhaust sound pumped in to the interior through a speaker. I remember I used to laugh at small car with fake quad exhausts on a 3 cylinder, but it seems its become acceptable, most likely amongst non-car guys who won't realise or understand their use. Vents to other look 'beautiful 🤢' to car guys they are meant to be functional. Better not to have them
Best car blogers, also love your intros =)))
This mashup is brilliant
Great review. Love the Supra in yellow.
Toyota: explains why the vents are the way they are People: complain Toyota: am i a joke you you?
Spedracer55 fr no one does any research these days.
Spedracer55 we have heard what Toyota has to say about them. But when we examined them, there was Nothing on the other side of the vents. If you removed that plastic they would lead no where. You would need an angle grinder and a sawzall to make them “real”. Jalopnik has written a great article on this.
People: want aftermarket upgradability Toyota: makes aftermarket upgradability People: laugh at Toyota Toyota: Am I a joke to you?
Spedracer55 oh stop being a fanboy nobody likes it when companies create vents that don’t do anything for performance.
@@ThrottleHouse at least explain that, dont ignore it completely
That 4 feet joke is the best thing I've heard all day
Love the Z4 and love this channel!!
Another amazing video. James is adorable. Accent & all 💎
I’m no Supra or BMW fanboy but thank you for a properly balanced review rather than the lazy “its a BMW in drag” every other reviewer spouts out. Excellent review as always chaps! 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
I always live your video’s introduction.
Great video one question though.... I am of 1,87cm and of 100kg ... would I fit with easy and comfort in the Supra?
My ram has 10 cup holders and 2 coolers All kidding aside I really love this review
One benefit of the collaboration not normally mentioned is that Toyota put the engine through more intense reliability testing than normal BMW standards, which should result in the most reliable BMW engine since the 80s
get my Z4 M40i in 1-2 months...hyped af!!!
On the buffeting. I had that issue with my 2016 GTI coupe. At 45-55mph was unbearable to drive with the windows down so I totally feel you.
Guys, amazing job! love the comedy in your videos.
Literally the best opening skits ever!
20:30 yes bring back the MR2 and the Celica
We want gt4 not last one
@デの3N It is a boxer
Hi guys, cracking review as always! Just one question (and a boring one at that...) Are the MPG figures you got imperial (as in UK) or US? Keep up the good work!
They are US. And thanks!
11:37 those fake vents are preparations for tuners to make them functional
and people say chrysler cheaps out
Such a bullshit cop out lol
@@danielnelson4881 It is.
It’s funny how James talk to the entertainment system in the z4 🤣🤣
5:05 jesus that sound is magnificent
nice comparison of the two cars.
Can’t wait for the day you guys hit a million subs
I went to my Toyota dealership to check out a Supra they had on display. I was actually kind of star struck when I saw it. The Supra logo just made me smile! The MSRP for the car was just under 60k on the window sticker. The sales person started talking to me about the car and he informed me that the car would be sold for. . . . *$20,000 OVER MSRP!!* Nope. . . I'll smile whenever I see one on the road but i'll never spend a dime over MSRP On a side note; has anyone ever realized they know more about a car than the sales people at these dealerships? I bought an 86 from a dealership and I had several sales people doing google searches on my future car while simultaneously trying to sell it to me. I kept bringing up the Type R, Veloster N, Miata and Ecoboost Mustang to compare to the base level 86 I wanted. It was great! XD I don't think they like me very much now. . . lol
lmao im in the same boat as you with knowing more than them XD and at my dealership, the 20K markup was for the "ACM"....... Idk what that even is and 10% goes to charity...... to be that guy, if i wanted to donate i would...... but you shouldn't be forced to pay for extra stuff smh
just wait. In a couple months you can get it for msrp
That is how they do it with the Civic R around here. You can't even test drive it. They are acting like there are rich oil tycoons flying out just to buy them and truck them back to Montana and they won't buy it if there are more than 3 miles on it. Ha ha. I remember when Dodge said the same thing about the Challenger. They don't know about the car, but they know a good sales pitch. These are poser cars if ever one was put out there. If you want proof that America is broken, the fact is that the folks with money are mostly posers themselves. If you want a contemporary example of that, look at the guy who was running WeWork. The only thing he did wrong was not respect the poser-ness of his underlings and get himself a mutiny of underlings. As far as the rest of the world was concerned, he could walk on water. Now he's fodder for yellow dog journalists. Same thing with the Supra... today it's the "real deal" for tuners and mods. Just like the Rx-8 was the second coming of the Rx-7. And the C6 corvette was "revolutionary improvements" over the C5. In the long run, the marketing hype doesn't hold up. What does hold up is value for your dollar. But low, sell high. For that to work, some schmo has to buy high.
@@ciello___8307 650 supras still unsold on the lot and many dealers are selling under msrp right now.
Never buy from dealership period
For me... The Z4 won my heart and you feel that originality of the drive train with the car it self!
great comparison. we just finished up installing a downpipe on the new supra in our vlogs and that mod alone is enough to turn haters of the car into fans. it's nuts!
Wait for Corvette
Does BMW still play engine sounds through the speakers for you to think it sounds louder/cooler than it is?
stellar intro ✨
That music during the montage...I’ve never needed the name of a song more in my life.