IVE “Heya” Accused of Stealing Chinese Culture

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That’s K-pop for you lols

@@ramoozee1141yeah I really need to stay out of the comment sections haha.

Ikr

tbh there’s nothing new under the sun, theres bound to be overlap especially in the arts

Thank you for saying this! I feel like non-Asians don’t realize that despite Asian cultures being ‘similar’ there are still massive differences between them. So they just dismiss cultural appropriation as “well you’re all kind of similar anyway.”

@@ruiqi22 definitely! Those delusional knets and the koreaboos are trying so hard to defend it even though I could tell it was chinese as soon as I watched the video! Whats worse is i barely know korean and chinese culture and i could tell the difference! 😔

You guys even don't know what Korean culture is.

Chinese artists, please refrain from imitating Korean celebrities. It's contradictory to mimic Korean stars while China restricts their entry. Additionally, Chinese businesses posing as Korean brands in Southeast Asia should cease operations. It's important to self-reflect and critique one's own country first.

@@user-ks4tv5ru3cdon't shame on Koreans 😅I can definitely tell you that theses elements in the video are Chinese culture as a Korean please stop trying to change the subject

WTF...totally ignorant and uneducated

IKRRR

It's a similar situstion with Indonesia and Malaysia

For real. So tired of people arguing about something that could be solved by cracking open a book or watching the History Channel every once in a while...

@@givarialiimran783 Well, most "Malays" are actually descended from Indonesia, sure there's some original cultures but those are like created in modern timeline rather than ancient/pre-modern

​@@FakeOfficeMangersame thing with Korea - China before Joseon dynasti. Learn their culture.

for real; if they're 2 different cultures, they shouldn't try blurring the lines even just a bit! cuz then that gets dangerous; China is China. Korea is Korea!

Yes, this illustrator deleted her history of studying in China after IVE caused controversy

Chinese think they invented everything lol. "Chinese painting" is just an English term for East Asian painting. Spend more time worrying about the viruses you put into the world than on trying to claim other cultures

It's Asian ink, Asian painting. It's not just chinese only style

@@RocSaltAndPepperMint There seems to be a lot of CCP bots and troll farms on here working overtime. These people lack such a fundamental understanding of history and anthropology that they think everything similar is theirs. And this one is even pretending to be Japanese....lol

@@SI0T3 She didn't "study in China". You CCP bots are so low, spreading fake news lmao. "Chinese ink" is just the English term for traditional East Asian painting. These Chinese think they invented and own everything. The bots are out in full force. Go ahead. Your despicable plans will not succeed.

Holey shit I did not notice that. Opium also has a very significant place in Chinese history. As an ethnically Chinese person, it does seem ignorant of the way opium has devastated the Chinese people, and the entire event is spoken of shamefully in hindsight…

Thank you for explaining the situation!

i'm chinese and you said this so well! honestly we don't even care if the elements were used, and we KNOW that there are a lot of similarities. but if our culture was given at least a little credit, since some parts are unmistakably chinese, i think everyone would be less mad. and the opium pipe too...that was such a horrible time in china.. ik this mv is for kpop and about korean idols so our history is relatively irrelevant but like?? i don't think opium pipes were a good idea to include as an element in an influential group's mv in the first place

Not the opium pipe too.... the amount of people that died... uhhh

Because its not chinese. Do you look at japanese kimonos, japanese knots Japanese kanji and react the same way? 💁‍♂️ chinese have a double standard racist hatred towards koreans.

Ok

You need to be specific. Like what was your cultural items in the video? You can't just say the entire video is Chinese that is delusional.

@@etvow So many people have done the work already, while you seem not so patient to read or watch. Maybe you are not confident when seeing those proofs🤣🤣

Who exactly stole Chinese culture? The director OR KOREA itself?

@@etvow look for the vi/deo 'IVE's HEYA and the recent appropriation of Chinese culture' by 'aaa',, some aspects are explained there.

I think you are very confused. Those inventions are made ancient people not exactly the Han race.

@@inhim05 i think you are the one confused here. whatever the “koreans” did in china are part of chinese culture, it will only be korean culture when they flee to korea. these ancient chinese elements existed before korea. therefore these are chinese, not korean, as korea did not exist back then. i hope i answered your question 😭

yes！

​@@seruleanade 중국도 존재하지않았어😂

@@H.o.l.y_m.o.l.y7 atleast we can claim that culture as ours because its our ancestors and they’re living on the same land.

还用都不会用😂

white chinese knots are worn to morn people's deaths...

Those Chinese patterns are called Xiangyun, those Chinese knots are called Zhongguojie,usually red rope, and the use of white color means death and graveyard, please understand the meaning and respect the Chinese culture before using it, don't use it in kpop just because it's pretty.

Yeah tbh we don't know that meaning but still WE ARE LIKE 2000 KM AWAY BRITAN HAS INFLUENCE IN FUCKING AUSTRALIA ITS BASICALLY OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE FUCKING WORLD

Chinese people thank you for speaking out😊

谢谢

I'm looking at a Korean source showing the exact knot in the video in traditional art. It's traditional craftwork and admittedly influenced by China.

exactly,this is Chinese culture, for sure! we all know , except for those Koreans, even though chatgbt identified that this video is full of Chinese elements.

SIMILAR, not the same. Those countries definitely do share *similarities* with one another.

@@Kimberly_Sparkles I’m sure the same knot existed in China in earlier times. I live in the US and I see a lot of Roman columns in large buildings. The English has been using them in buildings for centuries. We still don’t call it a “English” column.

@@smalcal6365 does SIMILAR mean TAKE AWE COMPLETELY or CHANGE BUT WITHOUT DEVELOPMENT? plz know the facts before you make a judgment. you can go and search for the logo of China Unicom, one of the three major telecom operators in China, its shape is inspired by the Chinese knot, and headdresses in ive's music video are exactly the same, but China Unicom's logo is red, ive's headdress is white, Koreans call it the Korean knot!

The fundamental point of this controversy is not Chinese claiming 100% ownership of the cultural elements. Apparently most Chinese netizens Ive seen stated that they understood the cultural influence and development. The thing is Koreans do not accept that their culture is influenced by Chinese. It sounds like Americans saying they invented English (and indeed Korean language system was built upon Chinese). Japanese never backlash on it bcs they do proper citation. In this video there are way too many elements that you can see everywhere in China but never seen in South Korea. Yes the KZheadr said Starship wanted to showcase Korean culture that are not familiar to Koreans. Isn't it suspicious? Firstly Koreans are famous for loving spreading traditional cultures and some also argued that Korean culture is consistent (vs Chinese culture which experienced damage for decades), is it really possible that there are such massive elements appearing that they can't even name them properly? Second, the painter herself learned her Chinese painting skill in Beijing and she was already previously accused by plagiarizing Chinese ancient painting... She even presented this 90% plagiarized painting in her exhibition...

Let me give an example to western people why this culture appropriation matters so much to Chinese people. Korean people start to celebrate Christmas one day, western people are very happy that they are adapting western culture. And things starts to change, they call the fesival Korean Christmas, and even more they start to claim Jesus is from Korea😅😅(I am not making stories actually, Korean people have already start to claim Jesus is from Korea when they are having many Christians. But everyone knows how ridiculous this is)

@@clara-bj4gy YES

This is entirely Korean culture

@@etvow Yeah right, the whole universe is from Korea. Cheers!

@@clara-bj4gy Actually that is exactly what you Chinese people are saying on this channel. You claim unicorn is your culture, button is your culture, dragon is your culture, shoes are your culture, cloud is your culture, mountain is your culture. Please stop being ridiculous.

China has a long history and if you do research and trace back, you’ll find China had big influence on Asian countries over the centuries. These elements are adopted from China. But I haven’t seen any Korean netizen admit that these elements come from China. That’s why people are pissed off.

Who said it originated from them?

⁠@@loelds4817 the Hanzi? Netizens. And there's a guy named Kim, I forgot his full name, but I remember he said that on a TV show called '빅퀘스천' (Big Questions)

Koreans are already claiming Jesus is from Korea ngl. The Korean president gave the pope of Vatican a shoddy Madonna😅😅

literally nowhere do they claim it originated from them. Their korean wikipedia literally says that the origin is from china... im not sure what ccp propaganda you're being fed. Just because they said it's korean culture doesn't mean they meant it "originated" from korea. Unless you want them to give you a full history lesson from beginning to end everytime they introduce the mv haha😂

Exactly!

yes！！！！！！

好恶心的虚伪韩国人😅他们还会说中国人小气🤮

Yeah! IKR! So now that we're finally speaking up, we're being beaten down.. There's actually so much evidence about this topic on Ive's Heya, but all of it is on Chinese websites..

❤❤❤❤❤ur right

Wait there are Koreans that don't know tanghulu is from China? That's wild

뭔소리를 하는건지 탕후루 마라탕 전부 중국에서 온거 다 안다. 탕후루가 중국음식이라는걸 말하지 않는다고? 뒤지게 많이 언급하니까 짜증나게 하지마셈 그리고 뭐 음식을 먹을때마다 어느 나라 음식인걸 말하나 보통? 예를 들어 그냥 초밥 먹는다 하지 매번 일본 초밥 먹는다고 하냐고 중국인들은 한국사람들이 공자가 한국인인줄 안다는 등 이상한 주장을 하고 그걸 또 믿더라 꼭

@@Sellennaaanot true. Everyone in korea knows tanghulu is chinese. But sadly chinese people dont know that many things in china came from korea.

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As a Korean i want to take this clear, it ive heya includes A LOT of Korean traditions. The stage costumes reminiscent of hanbok, as well as props like norigae, daenggi, and flower shoes, are worn to represent the Korean style. The norigae has a knot (members wearing on their hair) which slightly differs from China, our knots are known to be tigher and more in a three dimensional shape. You can see traditional Korean folk games such as Ganggangsullae and Tuho being performed. Tigers are famous in Korea as the guardians of the mountain deities or as protective spirits of directions, representing aspects of mountain worship and geomancy beliefs. Furthermore, the mountains depicted in the background resemble the traditional Korean landscape paintings known as "sansuhwa." These paintings often depict high mountains with clouds, reflecting the beauty of Korea's natural scenery. I acknowledge culture are influenced and developed from each other, but I really wanted to tell everyone we are NOT stealing China's culture. It is Korean culture that we have developed throughout! I hope my comment helps! 🥰

Because its not chinese. Do you look at japanese kimonos, japanese knots Japanese kanji and react the same way? 💁‍♂️ chinese have a double standard racist hatred towards koreans.

@@loelds4817it is chinese culture?? delulu

​@@jianacore是中国文化

@@thinthin8024 对啊

That’s Anti China sentiment for ya

Cultural appropriation? Chinese dramas always show chinese students wearing the korean school uniform “gyobok” and korean traditional “hanbok”. Nobody in china actually wears a korean gyobok to school. Is that not cultural appropriation? Then chinese people say "korea copied china". 💁‍♂️ how delusional can you be?

​​@@loelds4817no one wears hanbok expect Korean-Chinese.

@@loelds4817 First of all, NO ONE in china apart from the minority korean-chinese wears hanbok, we wear hanfu. Secondly, in the chinese dramas, it's more similar to the English uniform, not gyobok. You do realise that Europeans and Americans all have that type of clothing of shirt+skirt combination right? And we call it cultural appropriation because most of korean cultures are influenced by china, later you adapted and evolved it into your own culture, but in HEYA mv, it is clearly chinese culture, or in another word, the culture you've copied from china, not the ones you've evolved into.

It's funny, your school uniforms come from European modifications, not traditional Korean dress. How dare you say others copied you? Please stop saying that hanbok is Korean.

this exactly!! the knot has also become part of Korean culture, but this shape and pattern is predominantly chinese. it's literally called the "China Knot" in chinese. i just wrote a huge paragraph about the knot only to scroll down and see your short concise comment LMAO

@@xlorisyao ikr, i wrote so much to prove a point

No one said its only korean. These knots have been used in Korean and japanese attire for centuries. Even the kimono uses chinese knots but whats with the double standard hate towards only korea? 💁‍♂️

@@loelds4817yet ive said the music video is to show Korean beauty? Is this really part of your beauty? Do you even know what it means? You can’t even provide any historical proof because you have none, that probably why you are replying to everyone about Chinese modern is influenced by Korean because you know that’s all you can talk about😅

@@loelds4817 i think the point they were trying to make is that they stressed really hard that it's traditional korean culture. the japanese didn't use the knot in a music video and consistently stress that it's japanese culture. honestly the knot is korean culture too, but maybe they should mention that it's a mix, or reduce the emphasis on it being korean culture. not trying to set double standards here

It's evident that you lacking knowledge of Korean traditional culture tend to take highly biased stances. Elements like 'norigae' and 'jeogori' in attire, as well as music video themes such as 'The Tiger Who Loved the Sun,' draw from ancient Korean folklore. Please, if you're uninformed, refrain from commenting.

Elements like 'norigae' and 'jeogori' in attire, as well as music video themes such as 'The Tiger Who Loved the Sun,' draw from ancient Korean folklore.

@@user-cnksi223why don’t you talk about the elements. You only named 3 Korean elements. The other elements are Chinese, right?

I already mentioned about others In other comment section. Go check it

@@user-cnksi223 just a simple yes or no question. U refuse to answer. That’s ridiculous.

I would agree if the case was actually like how you described it but this isn't about people mixing it up. The concept artist said specifically it was only traditional Korean concepts. Countries historically can still be influenced by Chinese culture and not use it in their traditional culture, it would be wrong for you to claim that it is part of their traditional culture if there the influence was never used. Example: the pipes, knots, and clouds were NEVER been used in traditional Korean culture (no historical clothing or even imagery has ever depicted this) and even to modern day. The only time it has ever been seen as "Korean" is literally now, which would count as appropriation. IF the artist has given credit where the credit is due and said influence from both cultures or just said influence from historical asian cultures, that would be different, but they doubled down on Korean.

The Tanghulu example is a good example of why the Chinese are angry because the Koreans know that the Tanghulu is from China, but they don't speak up and choose a way to make people from other countries assume that the Tanghulu is from their country. They have transferred Chinese culture and Chinese things in this way many times. I know that many people don't care about the origin of the sugar gourd or the origin of the elements in the music video. But if the Chinese don't say it, South Korea will repeat the same trick to claim these elements as Korean, and over time everyone else will think they are Korean, too. You can't say that just because the Chinese are speaking up to protect their own things that they are doing too much.

Here's my thoughts as a Chinese and hardcore kpop stan who stays out of kpop drama. I understand where Chinese fans are coming from. It's true that there are a lot of cultural exchanges and that creates similarities. But the problem is that they're claiming something that was likely from China as their own. Like what you said about tanghulu, it was not invented by Koreans and they weren't claiming it, they just didn't speak up about it not being theirs. With this MV though, they didn't just not speak up, they claimed it was traditional Korean culture. What specifically bothered me was the knot accessory they wore on their heads that I immediately recognized as the traditional Chinese knot. I did some research and turns out it's part of the Korean tradition as well. It is most likely originated from China (since 481 BCE) though, as it appeared later in Korea (357 AD). There are a lot of shapes in knotting, but that specific shape and style is predominantly Chinese. In Chinese what we call this knot is literally translated into "China Knot." I think all kpop drama are quite silly, and I like to peacefully support my faves, but this one didn't sit quite right with me. Thanks for reading my long rant if you read up to here :) and sorry for taking up your time, I don't want drama - just wanted to talk a little as a Chinese kpop stan!

No Japanese claims Ramen is originally Japanese. Japanese call it Chuka-men or Chinese noodles, officially. Even though Chinese agree that Japanese ramen has evolved to a point that it is a different dish. Japan also has another national dish-Japanese-style curry. It is distinctly different from original Indian curry, but Japanese would still recognize curry to originate from India. That’s the difference between Japan & Korea.

Haha, I wish that was true :( but the concept artist(the artist that drew the anime like figures) went to China to study ink painting, and eventually on her twitter, she used to post credits relating back to China; but she eventually stopped; It's obvious where her inspiration came from

Cultural appropriation? cdramas always show chinese students wearing the korean school uniform “gyobok” and korean traditional “hanbok”. But everyone knows Chinese students only must wear sport trainers as their uniform. Nobody in china actually wears a korean gyobok. whats even more funny is that I have seen chinese people say "korea copied china". 💁‍♂️ how delusional can you be?

اگه کمک میکنه من چینی نیستم ولی در مورد تاریخ شرق دور مطالعه کردم. سعی کردم یکم شفاف سازی کنم. ❤

@@loelds4817 help- don’t yk that international Chinese schools don’t wear sport trainers?? Btw, name me cdramas that wear gyoboks and hanboks- like girly pop, I’ve never seen any popular cdramas that does that-

@@loelds4817not all Chinese students wear sports trainers💀💀

⁠​⁠​⁠@@loelds4817bruh wtf ofc there are Chinese schools wear uniforms like that, you didn’t even go to school in china 😂stfu

구름장식은 동양권내에서 흔하게 쓰이고 있고 한국 역시 마찬가지입니다. 물론 문화적으로 영향을 받았을수는 있어요

As a Korean i want to take this clear, it ive heya includes A LOT of Korean traditions. The stage costumes reminiscent of hanbok, as well as props like norigae, daenggi, and flower shoes, are worn to represent the Korean style. The norigae has a knot (members wearing on their hair) which slightly differs from China, our knots are known to be tigher and more in a three dimensional shape. You can see traditional Korean folk games such as Ganggangsullae and Tuho being performed. Tigers are famous in Korea as the guardians of the mountain deities or as protective spirits of directions, representing aspects of mountain worship and geomancy beliefs. Furthermore, the mountains depicted in the background resemble the traditional Korean landscape paintings known as "sansuhwa." These paintings often depict high mountains with clouds, reflecting the beauty of Korea's natural scenery. I acknowledge culture are influenced and developed from each other, but I really wanted to tell everyone we are NOT stealing China's culture. It is Korean culture that we have developed throughout! I hope my comment helps! 🥰

They are obviously cultural appropriation. They officially say that this is Korean culture, but it is obviously Chinese. Their behavior cannot be called tribute, okay?

지롤한다 ㅋㅋㅋ 질투나면 지는 거다 . 그냥 샘난다고 해

​@@JosephbowryJealousy dominates some peoole . Why can't Chinese and Japanese make those masterpiece

There are Korean names for the knots (dengi), and embroidered shoes (kkot shin). When it comes to cloud and landscape, there are plenty of traditional Korean paintings that have those. So the Chinese claim is ridiculous as usual.

@etvow That is so true . I am a middle-aged Austtalian Korean , I used to wear them in my childhood when I grew up in Korea .

Are you serious? Of all countries, china isn’t the one to criticize anyone for copying. Literally “made in china” = fake products globally. And just as an example here’s a Fun fact: chinese always wear the korean school uniform “gyobok” and korean traditional “hanbok” in chinese dramas, and then Chinese people say "korea copied china". 💁‍♂️ how delusional can you be?

@@loelds4817do you not know for the longest time, iPhones have always been produced in China? Because the labor fees in China is cheaper than other countries doesn’t mean it’s fake product globally. Damn you sound like a clown🤡🤡

@@loelds4817 I think you've misunderstood something. I'm not Chinese. When products are made in China, they are labeled 'Made in China,' but the fundamental difference is that it doesn't claim Chinese origin. This is the essential distinction. It seems you lack reading comprehension skills. For example, China might produce a hat in the style of Scotland, but China wouldn't claim that the Scottish style is a traditional Chinese style, as South Korea does.

This is not only stupid and ignorant, it's fucked up. You are aware that Japan was an imperialist nation who took control over Korean from 1910 to 1945? Japan at this time burned down many historical sites and cultural sites in Korea. They outlawed Korean money. They committed atrocities. They took "comfort women" to rape, had unit 751 where they did human experiments on Koreans and Chinese. They had a nation who was trying to brutally take their history, culture, and freedom. Koreans fought, won, and rebuilt their nation from nothing. And now we have fucking losers on youtube in 2024 claiming Koreans just "stole" from Japanese culture. That's stupid AND offensive. There is plenty of Korean culture. Even from that time under Japanese rule, like the famous lost film and song Arirang. Literally google korean culture. Hanok, Hanbok, their original language, jjigae, pansori, gat, buchaechum, etc. Don't stay ignorant. Google. Giving examples of adapted versions of food is stupid, all countries have that. It's like saying there's no unique American culture because pizza is famous there.

@@loelds4817那对不起了，如果你在中国的影视作品里看见了你所谓的韩服，，但是你别忘了，中国还有一个民族叫朝鲜族😊

Chinese Hanfu, Japanese kimono, American hip-hop, and rap are all referred to as Korean culture. South Korea will say "affected", "just similar"

​@@adaada4523누가 한푸 기모노 힙합 랩을 한국 문화라고 해요? 그런 한국인 단 한명도 없습니다. 가상의 적을 만들지 마세요 좀

@@ddhd6576just in the other comment section, there is a Korean keep replying people saying chinese drama are using Korean cloth, that’s why we said Korean claim hanfu to to Korean. You are very kind but it still happens.

@@ddhd6576 Is that right? I have seen too many Koreans call the clothes(without localized) bringing from China to Korea as hanbok, , and then accusing China of stealing. The Korean claimed that their ancestors has ever wear it, so Chinese clothing can also be called Hanbok. Just because Koreans wear it, Chinese clothing can be called Hanbok.

@@ddhd6576 Is that right? I have seen too many Koreans call the clothes(without localized) bringing from China to Korea as hanbok, , and then accusing China of stealing. The Korean claimed that their ancestors has ever wear it, so Chinese clothing can also be called Hanbok. Just because Koreans wear it, Chinese clothing can be called Hanbok.

Exactly cause at least it’s not our culture this time 😭

@@alexandria470 Facts😭

Undeniably the most copied/appropriated culture in entertainment world. Most young kids don’t even know

@@is8249thats rich coming from china.

Shit this time is ours🥲🥲

but they claimed it as their own...

IKR

Did chinese people just discover that korea existed and was influenced by china since the ancient times? Literally china even enforced some of their culture and customs on koreans. These elements can even be found in japan including the chinese knots in kimonos. And now chinese want to claim sole ownership? Thats just crazy.

If you're wondering, google it. It's free for anyone.

⁠@@loelds4817 I mean, even though they influenced each other, there are still differences in the specific designs. Just like different artists from the same teacher can have a similar style, but they adapt their own and theres definitely differences between them even though they're similar, right? Haha I'm not from either country but upon digging more into this it seems like the Chinese people have their proof straight 😂

korea basically has no culture tbh... its all stolen from other east asian countries

其实韩国在古代是我们的一个附属国，就像父亲与儿子

​@@user-mr8wj9kq9zthat explains why your cultures are similar. 😮

Hmm the west (UK/US) uses a lot of Roman motifs in their large buildings. The English has been influenced but the Romans for 1000 years. We still call it “Roman” columns, not “English” columns. Even though we may have adjusted the length, width, or even added couple more lines or what not. When you have confidence in your culture, you are able to give credit.

Meanwhile Chinese culture gets so much influence from south korea: cdrama = kdrama cpop = kpop douyin makeup = kbeauty Douyin fashion =kstyle fashion hanfu = hanbok Chinese knots = maedeub Huawei = samsung Victory game = squid game Paocai = kimchi Now chinese even copy polite etiquettes from koreans such as bowing to say “nihao” and “xie xie”.

같은 조상이라고 하기엔 한국인은 만주족 일본인과 유전적으로 가장 가깝고 중국의 한족과는 차이가 납니다

Do chinese people look at japanese kimonos, japanese knots, japanese ramen, Japanese kanji and react the same way? 💁‍♂️ chinese have a weird, double standard racist hatred towards koreans.

@@loelds4817 why are you bringing up Japanese knots? The music video is being advertised as featuring “traditional Korean culture”. And let me correct you because 中国结 was an absolute part of culture in China during the Tang and Song Dynasties. From there it spread to Japan, Korea as well as other parts of Asia. Korean knots, or “maedeup," I suppose, are a type of handicraft with a history dating back to the Three Kingdoms period, they’re influenced by Chinese knotting techniques. The knotting techniques in Korea have originated from China, but Korean knots have evolved into their own form of designs, colors, and incorporation of local characteristics. Customizing and adding different characteristic/designs doesn’t change the fact that it has been influenced by Chinese culture.

@@user-zu4ve4hq6m no one said koreans invented chinese knots. Im just telling you that koreans have also worn them for hundreds of years. You can even see them in old korean paintings. Im mentioning japan because Chinese knots have also been used in Japanese kimonos since the Edo period but you aint upset with that? Whats with the double standard?

@@loelds4817 lmao some random Korean in the other comment literally confronted me saying they invented Korean knot because they use different fabrics and colors…. Japanese knot has evolved into a total different style with its unique form and looks. But if you search up Korean knot they literally look exactly the same but with a more vibrant color and longer tassels. I think you’re the one having a double standard…..

@@user-zu4ve4hq6mWell thats actually Not true because Japanese knots and Korean knots look exactly the same. And I have no idea who said koreans invented Chinese knots, but even in korea they are called “maedeub” which means chinese knots.💁‍♂️

The person that draw the mv even went to China to learn how to draw lol thats so funy

But mostly Korean cultures is adaptation version of Chinese cultures 😂

@@meteuteu but when we take a look at the history and geography it's not that unexpected, that's doesn't make the culture less korean

@@diymimythere exist many unique korean cultural representations. the problem is that the video is overly presenting elements that are way too similar and absolutely descended from ancient china, while claiming they belong to Korea. Those elements are not widely popular in korea in reality for a reason, they know what’s going on.

⁠​⁠​⁠@@xuyizhen00those elements are a fusion version of korean culture and that’s why it may seem different than the “typical’ korean culture since they mixed the traditional and modern clothing and aspects together. the real problems is that many chinese are overly reacting to this and criticizing the koreans as a whole.

But why would Koreans say on the mv intro that this mv incorporates Korean cultures when in fact those cultures come from China.

Korean culture and Chinese are totally different. (official)

​@@gaweekin524they still have some similarities bc of the amount of chinese colonies that existed in korea throughout history. it's the same with a lot of countries, sharing a common history means sharing common artworks, tales, ways of speaking etc

@@gaweekin524eh not really, ofc they separated centuries ago. But a lot of words for things in Korean are the same from Chinese. And their culture is pretty similar in terms of hierarchy, and other random things like how Korea and China “don’t have” the fourth floor in buildings. Because 4 in Chinese sounds like death. There’s a lot of difference but a lot of similarities and the major differences are because of influences not from asia like Christianity and other things. But there are way more similarities in korean and Chinese culture than most other countries because of proximity. That’s just what happens when basically all of asia are branches of China since modern day China is where one of the first 5 civilizations to ever exist was. I mean Vietnam was colonized by the French and Dutch and their language is literally just romanized Chinese. They obviously have different cultures but most Asian countries have culture that have roots from China and there’s no point in denying it since a bunch of modern day countries are like that.

@@gaweekin524as a korean, kinda, but also not really. a lot of korean culture (forgive me if i am incorrect), was “borrowed” from china during the kingdom’s (goryeo’s) occupancy due the influence. but, yes, they are a little different, but when it comes to the art in HEYA!, it could *look* like chinese ideas, but in actuality, be korean. i think they’re korean 😅

@@gaweekin524 No, they're not totally different. They are similar in some ways. I'm not saying "Oh they're so similar, they're exactly the same", no not at all. But Chinese and Korean culture do resemble in a lot of different ways. Not just what you know about Chinese and Korean culture in general. If you dig a little deeper into both cultures, you'll see some similarities.

you're actually a genius i'm crying FHBHFDH you have to open a kpop company

I agree, just say you took inspo from Chinese traditional elements :/ humility goes a long way

@@xlorisyao I work at one.

As a Korean i want to take this clear, it ive heya includes A LOT of Korean traditions. The stage costumes reminiscent of hanbok, as well as props like norigae, daenggi, and flower shoes, are worn to represent the Korean style. The norigae has a knot (members wearing on their hair) which slightly differs from China, our knots are known to be tigher and more in a three dimensional shape. You can see traditional Korean folk games such as Ganggangsullae and Tuho being performed. Tigers are famous in Korea as the guardians of the mountain deities or as protective spirits of directions, representing aspects of mountain worship and geomancy beliefs. Furthermore, the mountains depicted in the background resemble the traditional Korean landscape paintings known as "sansuhwa." These paintings often depict high mountains with clouds, reflecting the beauty of Korea's natural scenery. I acknowledge culture are influenced and developed from each other, but I really wanted to tell everyone we are NOT stealing China's culture. It is Korean culture that we have developed throughout! I hope my comment helps! 🥰

As a Korean i want to take this clear, it ive heya includes A LOT of Korean traditions. The stage costumes reminiscent of hanbok, as well as props like norigae, daenggi, and flower shoes, are worn to represent the Korean style. The norigae has a knot (members wearing on their hair) which slightly differs from China, our knots are known to be tigher and more in a three dimensional shape. You can see traditional Korean folk games such as Ganggangsullae and Tuho being performed. Tigers are famous in Korea as the guardians of the mountain deities or as protective spirits of directions, representing aspects of mountain worship and geomancy beliefs. Furthermore, the mountains depicted in the background resemble the traditional Korean landscape paintings known as "sansuhwa." These paintings often depict high mountains with clouds, reflecting the beauty of Korea's natural scenery. I acknowledge culture are influenced and developed from each other, but I really wanted to tell everyone we are NOT stealing China's culture. It is Korean culture that we have developed throughout! I hope my comment helps! 🥰

Do chinese people look at japanese kimonos, japanese knots, japanese ramen, Japanese kanji and react the same way? 💁‍♂️ chinese have a weird, double standard racist hatred towards koreans.

@@loelds4817ppl like you seem to hate the chinese

Btw they're not my bias and i hate some Korean cuz they're racist but it's wrong to hate or dragging these girls just because something that happened thousands years ago

Yeah there culture is influence a lot on Chinese culture

Btw they're not my bias and i hate some Korean cuz they're racīst but it's wrong to hate or dragging these girls just because something that happened thousands years ago

In fact, South Korea has no history at all. So a lot of their culture is appropriated from other countries. Of course, the most common ones are from China.

Exactly. Koreans know what has been used in their own culture for a long time and can differentiate between china. They’re not claiming they invented anything.

Are you Fr an ethically Chinese person, you need to learn your own history better.

@@xmxmkokobop8679actually. i took one look at the mv and saw how similar it is to chinese culture

@@loelds4817yet they’re claiming that the video represents Korean culture by using Chinese elements?? Does that make any sense to you? No Koreans have used those elements in Korean history.

Because Japan has always recognized that Japanese culture is inspired by Chinese culture

I think it’s because Japan has given credit that many of their culture stemmed from China. Chinese also recognized that Japanese culture has since evolved uniquely.

@@user-yg7fv7si2s has china recognized it was also inspired by korean and japanese and other cultures? I could make a dictionary of everything china has copied from south korea.

@@loelds4817​ why would China give recognition to them as China is the origins of this creation?? Korean knots and Japanese knots are inspired by Chinese knots…. Do you even know what you’re saying?

@@user-zu4ve4hq6mactually tho

As a Korean i want to take this clear, it ive heya includes A LOT of Korean traditions. The stage costumes reminiscent of hanbok, as well as props like norigae, daenggi, and flower shoes, are worn to represent the Korean style. The norigae has a knot (members wearing on their hair) which slightly differs from China, our knots are known to be tigher and more in a three dimensional shape. You can see traditional Korean folk games such as Ganggangsullae and Tuho being performed. Tigers are famous in Korea as the guardians of the mountain deities or as protective spirits of directions, representing aspects of mountain worship and geomancy beliefs. Furthermore, the mountains depicted in the background resemble the traditional Korean landscape paintings known as "sansuhwa." These paintings often depict high mountains with clouds, reflecting the beauty of Korea's natural scenery. I acknowledge culture are influenced and developed from each other, but I really wanted to tell everyone we are NOT stealing China's culture. It is Korean culture that we have developed throughout! I hope my comment helps! 🥰

No mocking, huh? Only if you could do a little research about what that smoking pipe means to Chinese. You didn’t put any effort in protecting your own traditional culture, not even close to the effort that these thieves put in stealing our precious

💯💯💯

作为中国人我认为你不应该跪着追星，想想你安稳的日子是怎么来的

Thank you. 👍 고맙네요. 우린 2천년간 중국과 왕래를 했습니다. 중국의 좋은 점을 배웠고 좋은 물건을 서로 교환했습니다. 그렇게 한국 문화가 만들어졌는데, 비슷하지만 세세하게 다른 부분이 있습니다. 그렇게 천년간 사용한 물건들이 한국 전통이란 이름을 부정당하니, 황당하네요. 😢

그리고, 중국인들은 한국의 조상들이 중국에 속국이 아니라 제후국(형제 or 친척국)이였다는 점부터 바로 잡기를 바랍니다. (한국에는 중국과 형제관계였다는 것을 굉장히 싫어하는 분들이 많음. 이유는? 북한과 중국의 혈맹관계, 한미동맹은 그 반대가 되겠네요.)

um becuz they were killed through japanese colonization

Even if they claim it's their culture? Not yours?

@@GG6790GG if there is anything that common in our culture it’s possible that they say it’s korean I will study and if I find this similarities It’s also give me positive vibes . Chinese and korean culture has same roots . It’s clearly so many similarities. Why they fight such a thing . Like I said Im Azerbaijani and I have same roots with Turkic people also has so much similarities with persian and arabs even Greeks , Armenians , Caucasians and … this is natural due to historical facts .

As an example, your mother makes you Turkish kebab, you invite your friend from another region to enjoy it, your friend says he has never tasted such a delicacy and is very keen to learn, then he approaches your mother and asks for the recipe, then ...... He opened his restaurant and said the recipe was his mother's own traditional dish and fictionalized pictures and made a big deal out of his traditional recipe as a selling point. That's why I said Korea is a thief, when you hear Korea say Gutab and Plov came from Korea you get it.

It’s just Chinese culture, the MV uses Chinese knots, auspicious clouds, ink art, Chinese style clothing, Chinese myths and many more. (More Chinese elements are used in the Mv than Korean ones) Many elements used in the MV only existed in China, NEVER in Korea. There are in fact many big differences between Chinese and Korean cultures, this MV blurred it all. When more and more people do that, it’s literally cultural appropriation. Because most of the elements in the MV, the Korean don’t have it . For example, the Karst Mountain Landform . It’s only Chinese culture! Secondary, Korean don’t admit that some of their culture were learned from China. After they learned, they blamed Chinese is the one who stole their culture. For example, a famous Chinese KZheadr Liziqi, made a video of making salty spicy vegetables. Then Korean blamed her and said she stole Korean Kimchi. But the truth is Chinese made spicy and salty vegetables since Qin Dynasty, it was from thousands years ago. At that time, ancient Korean dynasty wasn’t even exist. If you don’t believe this K-pop group stole Chinese culture, go to search their new interview video. When the host asked about the group members some cultural questions. They don’t even know the names of the art patterns that were used in the video! If it was Korean culture, how come this K-pop group members have no idea about the names of the patterns??? It’s their song rights???

You are SO STRECTHING girl! If they use your culture elements and claim it is Korean, and your study proves this point, you'll be annoyed too :) Just be fair, dont get biased just because you like IVE. THANK YOU!

我认为你应该洗洗眼睛，那就是我们中国的文化，那个还没我们一个省大的国家，应该认真发展自己，而不是自卑到中国的什么都是他们的

LMAO!! You read my mind.

我不懂是不是你脑子有病.搞得好像你们外国人没有说过我们中国一样.文化挪用事件很严重的事情.我们国家也不像你们一样那么多种族歧视.你要是眼瞎就去治.那么多的文化挪用你倒是一个都没有看得出来.

Just like Kim Jong-un said he invented the hamburger

Which Korean culture is not stolen from other country?

Because it is also traditional to korea. Did chinese people just discover that korea existed and was influenced by china since the ancient times? Literally china even enforced some of their culture and customs on koreans. These elements can even be found in japan including the chinese knots in kimonos. And now chinese want to claim sole ownership? What do you think of this?

exactly 💯

좋아요. 난 한국인이예요. 바이킹의 옷은 한국에서 왔다고 생각해요.

Yes, but claiming Viking traditions are from Italy, for example, would be ridiculous would it not?

Vikings are Greek aren’t they?

@@hazew8413 Scandinavian

In the end, both Chinese and Japanese cultures are referred to as Korean culture, and many years later, South Korea will begin to claim its origin and refer to China and japan as a thief. It has happened many times.

Since when has Japan been friendly to Korea? They fight all the time😂

They don’t though.

? Nope! We're the ones who always get accused of wearing hanbok when we're wearing hanfu :(

Do Koreans know that many Korean ”hanbok“ are plagiarized from Chinese Hanfu and Mongolian clothing， and refer to China as a thief?

But hanbok is, in fact adopted from Hanfu…..you can get the answer by googling it.

What are you talking abt

Thank you.

Having a few Koreans elements in the mv still doesn’t prove that they DIDNT use other cultural elements that do not belong to them and still claim it as theirs (eg dudou, golden sun bird, Chinese buttons etc)

@baburufireice835 no need to prove . No matter how you people try to bully us , we don't care . We Koreans enjoy our cultures . We don't steal watch Netflix , KZhead or k dramas like you guys. Ask your government to compensate all over the world for Covid 19 spread rather than playing victims using Korean MV . Covid was terrible culture .

@@sinusrythm751…. Covid originated from chemical leaks in US labs..

@@sinusrythm751 pretty sure stealing culture and claiming it as their own makes the Koreans the biggest bully in this game.

U need learn the real history bro

Cultural appropriation can actually hurt. To unequivocally claim that the elements you adopted from another culture originate from your own culture is pretty bad. You can’t just assume it doesn’t hurt no one unless you’ve walked in their shoes.

​@@user-zu4ve4hq6m no one ever said anything belonged to their culture but everyone calls it cultural appropriation anyway for example a white person wearing box braids. unless they have a sign saying "this hairstyle belongs to white people" it shouldn't be a problem right? if people actually claimed something to be from their culture when it's not it's just lying like whatever. y'all give "cultural appropriation" so much importance when it's literally nothing. "oppressed" people just like to gatekeep stuff to make themselves look like victims. that's all there is to it

@@usergodknowswhat yeah and I don’t know if you watched yujin’s interview saying their mv concept is based on traditional Korean style and culture. There is a video on KZhead and you can search for it. Yes, They can definitely borrow our culture and cite the source instead of claiming it as theirs.

@@user-zu4ve4hq6m I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about cultural appropriation in general when you said that claiming a culture that isn't yours as yours is bad (which practically no one does). And the designer or whatever already said it was based on Korean culture. Just bc it's similar to yours doesn't mean it is. It's frickin Asia no shit it's gonna have similarities. You're Chinese right? Why are you acting like you know Korean culture better than they know it themselves?

@@usergodknowswhat bruh … are you being for real or you haven’t learned any history? The music video uses Chinese elements like Chinese knots, auspicious clouds, and karst landforms and there is accurate historical evidence online as China has a profound history of 5000 years… Isn’t it ridiculous that Koreans called this Korean style but they can’t even prove or find conditions for the formation of this so-called “Korean culture”? The elements they used in the music video are clearly from Chinese culture. Just like in the interview, they didn’t even know the meanings and historical significance of these elements, instead they called it “patterns”.

What?? The Republic of Korea’s foreign ministry stated, “it is a fact recognised by the international community that Korea was not a part of China during the thousands of years of historical relations between the two.” So who’s the colonizer you’re speaking of? North Korea is ruled by a North Korean. Do you have the same attitude toward the United States when regimes it funds are violent against the world?

@@ruiqi22 That's just political talk. Korea was a tributary state of China, basically a part of China but was not occupied. China is the colonizer because they prevented Korea from being united as one country during the Korean war. They also pushed a crazy dictator into power. And yes I do have the same attitude against USA. I'm against the middle eastern occupations, mingling with Hong Kong affairs, what it did in PH, what it did in Central America and of course, it's long racist history in the USA. Do you really think I like what white people have done? They are the biggest colonizers. Two things can be true. Don't a fken idiot.

All of the elements used in the HEYA MV were not used in Korean history, so check your facts please. You seem to defend only Koreans meaning you’re biased. When it comes to China they’re bad and should not even be defended even though they are wronged, right?

I'm using a translator, and there may be some problems. Thank you for your understanding.😊

It originated from China. A few minor tweaks doesn’t make it your own

@@hazew8413 You mean CPOP belongs to Korea?

@@princecoffee2349 nope we meant lots element in ive video belongs to China

At least we don't have the cheek to say kpop is Chinese...... Actually , your country doesn't have to wait 20 years, you are already stealing Chinese culture😅😅😅I'm ashamed of you.😅

China is a communist country blocking access to KZhead. There is no culture in China due to the cultural destruction revolution.

@@gaweekin524come to china then

Some of these are true, but others are just absurd

god just tell me you're a westerner that can't distinguish between two cultures and respectfully stfu.

What a bunch of lies LOL stop the cap please 😂

Then we can assume that y’all copied IPhone help

Have you gone to the Museum Kimchikan in Seoul? Did you know that it acknowledges that paocai predates kimchi? 🤔